when i was 4 my cusin would beat the shit out of me if i didnt do as i was told, it went on for about 10 years. i am now 19 and all threw out middle and high school i suffered aggression problems and developed imagenary friends . saddly i still talk to the people in my head even tho i know now they arent real, but they seem real to me, also her beating me caused me to over eat at a young age and develope horrible habbits. my grandma just acted like it was little spankings.
@ShadowTheSoulless Many people suffer like you did. I hope you have a way to deal with it now and try to fix your mind as much as possible. Just remember that you are in no way alone in that fate. However, it soulds more like psychotic abuse, not corporal punishment discussed in this video (I am against that, but your story seems far worse).
I don't agree with this at all. He seems to be confusing corporal punishment with abuse. Moderate punishment DOES work, as long as it's consistent, fair and rare. And I think it's been shown in the last 40 years, that other methods don't work as well. He keeps citing 3-year-olds getting spanked, and using inflamatory language like violence, abuse, etc. 3 is far too young, as kids don't really understand at that age. The aim isn't to hurt, but to correct, to bring them up sharply. Love them first
@raphael44ify I am from a country where corporal punishment is illegal, without death penalty or life imprisonment (unless criminally insane at the time of release). We have the lowest crime rates in the world. Our problem is that people from other cultures and thus other social backgrounds come here (often with good reason) and commit crimes, but thats another story. My point is that less violence during childhood = less crime.
@GnosticAtheist I agree with you that less violence during childhood results in less crime. I think where we disagree, is what constitutes violence. You say that all corporal punishment, however mild, is violent. I think this does the victims of real violence a disservice. Punching, kicking, hitting with implements are abuse. If a child is injured, it's abuse. Smacking on the bottom with the hand, as long as it's deserved, is not. I don't think that should be banned. (cont)
@GnosticAtheist (cont) > Parents' authority over children in most of the Western world is already at an all-time low, and this would be just another nail in the coffin. This is to the detriment of the kids themselves. I also come from a country with no death penalty and few lifers, but crime here is high. Most parents don't smack their kids here. It's to do with love, constancy and leading by example. Corporal punishment is rarely needed, but it should be there as a last resort.
@GnosticAtheist I THOUGHT it was! Or at least Scandinavia lol! I'm from the UK. I'm not sure whether your low crime rate is down to the absence of CP - there are probably a lot of societal factors - and countries vary hugely from each other. There is a lot of youth crime here (e,g, 2011 riots). Many parents are irresponsible, they set a bad example, they don't care, they're not there,etc. Even ones that are not like that don't dare punish their kids. BTW,your English is fantastic
@raphael44ify Yes, I agree that other factors obviously is a factor, a major factor depending on the specific issue. It is important to note that all Scandinavian countries have the same sociological system and morality, with more or less the same end result. You are correct hovewer, I cannot claim direct correlation.
The 2011 riot is a problematic example, as it is a venting factor due to legal specifics and a response to (percieved) injustice over decades.
Remember that the same applies to your problem. CP may not be the reason of our low crime just as the lack of CP may not be the reason of your crime.
Thank you (on my English skill level). I have higher education and text material was in English and German. Also, we did not have dubbed movies or cartoons during my childhood, and all my interests where linked to foreign media.
Weird how I can get my 5 year old sister to behave better than her parents, all thanks to the power of the back of my hand... no wait, that's what they do, and it fails every time. Turns out talking to a human being works better than beating the shit out of them.
@flatface420fb By cognitive abilities. I have seen both methods several times, and I am old enough now to see the results. Those that had stabile, cognitive relationships with their parents became stabile, cognitive people. Those that did not leave emotionally charges, capped comments on youtube.
@AnnaliseJonas1 You don't talk back or disobey? These are things normal kids do as part of their growing process so that they can one day become independent, thinking adults, You poor child. I hope you don't become a lifelong wimp when you grow up and run for cover anytime someone says "boo" to you.
@crothersdaniel Listen up you mental ass! I have a lot going on right now, like the Centex Honor Band and school. I dont have time to deal with all these idiots who wanna mess with me and my life! SHUT UP AND LEAVE ME ALONE!!
You're a moron! And I'll bet you don't have kids. When I was small, I use to hit, bite, and bully other kids. However, after a few spankings from my father, I have been well behaved, and have a very high self esteem because my parents loved me enough to see that I was properly disciplined. When my kids visit other homes, everyone tells me how well they behave. And they better.
One time a police bobby would give a miscreant a clip around the ear. And if that kid complained to his dad he would of got another for deserving it. That kid learned respect. Probably brought up a solid family with values.
Today many youths grow up without respect of parents, teachers or the law. They get aggressive if corrected. Sitting a kid on the naughty step doesn't work. Generations of discipline did work. This new age liberal philosophy has failed to prove it works on anything.
And if your kids hit you......The belt may be taking it a bit to far, but sometimes your kids need that pain factor of a pop across the face to set them in line. If they had enough self esteem to disrespect you as the parent that provides, then they have the self esteem to take it.
@crothersdaniel You idiot. You poor poor idiot. You don't understand a single word I'm saying do you? Here, let me make it easier for you to understand, S P A N K I N G I S N O T V I O L E N T ! ! ! There now, do you understand? Or do I have to do this again?
@crothersdaniel No! spanking is NOT violence, it is a way that some idiot invented to teach the child a lesson. IF spanking is done the right way, the child will learn not to do, whatever it is they did, again in the future. But wat I ABSOLUTELY DON'T agree on is spanking for young toddlers. THAT will lead to violence!
It's ridiculous the type of views people have on children. In high school my economics teacher said that he believe no one should have any rights until they contribute to society. I can only assume that what he meant by rights is voting rights, government assistance rights and things like that. I doubt he really meant they were down right property, however I still find it to be a ridiculous belief and probably originates from (what I assume he has) hatred for teenagers.
there's a huge difference between spanking and beating, there's also a HUGE difference between spanking a child as a punishment vs. spanking an adult while engage in some sexual/playful acts.
I was spanked in the broad definition. 'To strike the buttocks with an open hand...' But it was very few and VERY far between because just like any other forms of punishment I didn't want it. Yes, I realize what I just said. No I didn't want it when I was little. But I also wouldn't have wanted a toy
taken away, nor did I ever want to be grounded, or any of the other things out there. (And by the way I was grounded more than spanked - a whole two or three times in my life - so if that works why did my parents have to do it more times?).
I never have done drugs. I am not a criminal. I was never mean to other kids growing up, in fact I was normally the brunt of THEIR meanness. I have no alcohol problems, in fact I don't even like the taste all that much. I'll still say it as effective.
I think spanking is just perverted. I`m into slavery and BDSM. I would never have my child expose themselves and then hit them in a sexual area. It`s just violating, not to mention humiliating.
Also I am pretty sure you are either confused or not explaining yourself right. Spanking is totally fine but I think what you are referring to is physical abuse or any abuse/ malice. If you actually tyr to love your child there should be no way you can harm your child. A few pats on the butt is only used to communicate that bad things will happen when they act wrong or do bad things. It's so they don't grow up to do drugs, steal, murder or hit. You methodogy is ascue but define more clearly ...
@mummateddybear do what you want. i already commented on this. i will pray for your kids who will grow up and become the criminals of our society i on the otherhand will raise my kids to have respect and obey the law and authority. you must have no fear of God. hopefully you are barren and can't have kids because yo duont' lvoe them enough to teach them how to act right! GO AWAY! GOD BLESS!
It's very obvious you don't have kids because everyone will say spanking is wrong until you have your own kids that don't behave. I want a well behaved child who is raised right and can survive this horrible planet. I ain't raising no sissy and if i don't spank my child I know he will turn out to be some homo wimpy sissy who can't think for himself. THis video is spreading a message of allowing your kids to run rampant and to be undisciplined. you will change your mind if you ever have kids!
I was really liking your vids, This one left me divided. Simply because When I was growing up. It use to be a running joke That kids who werent familiar with corpral punishment acted in public opposed to kids that were. Now because it's pretty much illegal kids are just running rampant.
Boy, people sure are dumb, particularly on this issue. You can cite statistics and scientific studies all day to these people showing the uselessness and ill effects of corporal punishment, and they still say "Nope! You need to spank your kids or theyll turn into criminals! I got spanked and I turned out just fine." Apparently you DIDN'T turn out "just fine" if you're still that much of an idiot.
STUPID! I was and still am spanked by my adopted fathers and i will tell you now that even though i am 13 spanking IS effective! I dont disrespect, talk back, disobey, or do ANYTHING I know that'll get me a trip over my fathers' knees! And if i do ANYTHING like get a bf or vandelize or even sneek out I get a belt, a hairbrush or a paddle maybe even a strap but the only harm is a blistered backside because they know i wont do it again so spanking DOES NOT cause any harmful effects & IS effective!
@straightd0pe Because I have a tendency to delay doing as I'm told or when they say I can't do something I push their limits and on ocasions like my birthday I get spanked.
@straightd0pe she probably doesnt as often anymore so shes starting to learn her lesson now ok there is a difference between discipline and abuse and the parents have the right to control everything because they brought their kid into the world and they pay for everything want to be treated like an adult act like one theyre are so many disrespectful kids today because of these stupid laws i was spanked till i was 11 then i never got into trouble
@AnnaliseJonas1 you obviously don't want me to shut up because your still replying to me you fucking retard. if you didn't do anything wrong then why are you getting spanked? exactly. but i would expect you to be fucked up anyways the fact that you have TWO dads. lol. you fail at life.
@queennikki4U I can tell by your comment that your a sl*t but why say stuff like that to a 13 year old who has already been through part of it? My life is horrible. Not homelife but school and pretty much everywhere else. I am made fun of, beaten bloody by all my school mates and hated by all but my guardians. So why make it worse? Im pretty much wishing to be dead anyway.
@AnnaliseJonas1 Death can be a gift. If your life is so shitty than report it to the police. There are laws to protect you. You are 13 get a back bone and stand up for yourself. If your trashy father gave 2 shits about you he would speak to your school. You are so angry, low self esteem. You are also a damn liar no school would allow you to be beaten till your bloody. YOU control your life there is help you just want to be a victim gross!!
@queennikki4U The beating happens outside of school property in places where people rarely visit in my town. And I dont want to be the victim but I cant tell either for fear of getting hanged cuz thats wat some of the kids want to do right now and its in their nature to torture outsiders like me. And when I do TRY to tell they just punch on me more so I dont know wat to do anymore. Just leave me alone, if I die then I die. God will help me in some way.
@candypodratz oh my gosh that is the most hilarious thing i've seen all day! good show candy. i wish iwould have thought of that! lol oh man friend rqst me
in childcare settings, there's a no touch policy when it comes to children. this means you basically can't touch them in a harmful way. i was let go from a volunteer position at a daycare b/c i didn't understand this policy. but then again no one at the daycare would train me neither would they give me a second chance when i asked for one. in short i bring this down to discrimination b/c i'm disabled.
@Stephie2007 to add to this, what caused this was i had put a child in time out and when she got out, i put her back (meaning i made her sit down, this is the only way i know of doing things since my teachers in the childcare setting i was in as a kid did this with me when i got difficult although times have obviously changed since the early 90s) then another thing happened on the playground where a girl was standing next to the swings I wasn't gonna let her kicked so I lead her to safety
There is no empirical or logical argument for spanking. Some people here think that stating their personal opinion or anecdotal experience qualifies as a sound or valid argument. Opinions and anecdotes are not scientific.
The anecdotal experiences and derived conclusions that 1). I was hit and I turned out fine; 2). I was hit, and my peers turned out worst than me; and 3). Violence is necessary, because children cannot reason are easily debunked.
I agree with you 100%! Parents should not be allowed to spank because too many parents spank out of laziness! They don't want to take the time to understand their child. Also, the majority of the time spanking turns into abuse. I am a parent and grand parent and know how easy it is to fall into the illusion of the quick easy fix of spanking. Children learn from the example set forth by watching their parents and are born with the desire to please! Spanking has no lasting significance!
I like to belive I'm an intelligent individual. Please don't tell me what I am saying. When I say "I was spanked as a kid and I'm fine" I MEAN "I was spanked as a kid and I am fine". Heres some tips, how about mind your own business and don't worry about how other people are raising their kids. It's not like your the ones living with them, you don't know their learning-style, therefore you have no grounds to deem what is proper and improper methods of child-rearing.
Thanks for this video! We need to create more awareness and as you can see so many people do not want to admit that having been punished when children was traumatic and they don't know of other ways but keep doing the same thing to their children. That's why it is so important that we keep getting informed about what research shows and teach better discipline models to parents. Excluding corporal punishment does not mean to let them grow ruleless, People don't misinterpret things!!
i have to say i disagree, i was spanked until the age of 10. I think this is ok since a young child cannot comprehend verbal direction, and children learn faster by pain. When a new born is exploring his environment he might bite his finger then he notices it hurts thus he learns that he should not do that anymore
When a child is mature enough to follow verbal direction spanking is not needed
i have to say i disagree, i was spanked until the age of 10. I think this is ok since a young child cannot comprehend verbal direction, and children learn faster by pain. When a new born is exploring his environment he might bite his finger then he notices it hurts thus he learns that he should not do that anymore
spanking is a good way of discouraging negative behaviour, it teaches kids their are negative consequences for negative behaviour. paired with positive reinforcement it's great. However when you cross the line into child abuse (giving a child a black eye, excessive beating) then that's wrong. there is a difference between child abuse & spanking and most adults who were spanked but not abused know the difference.
@JudiM Surely, the immediate natural consequences of negative behavior are enough to discourage it, if you don't think it is, then use words, do not make a bad situation worse by spanking.
I'm all for rewarding good behaviour/positive re-enforcement, but I also believe in spanking, I was spanked and I turned out better than a lot of my friends who were not spanked and I'm not violent or lacking in cognitive skills. Plus my observation has been the total opposite of your study (spanking is legal where live). spanked kids are better behaved than kids wo are not. I'm just saying.....
This presentation is liberal social engineering propaganda. What were these "studies" that showed spankings make children worse? They probably pulled this out of the air. The speaker sounds like he's fresh out of college looking for a commie cause to take on. Stop intermeddling in the family, please go somewhere else and ruin another country.
This almost made me tear up. I never thought once that getting lashings could have caused me to get into a ton of fights in my younger years. Surprising though, when I got my first black eye ever, from my parent, I didn't become violent in high school. I was more introverted, and didn't speak much.
That's all changed now. I'm in college and I do have friends who are very positive, but I do have the occasional violent thought that I try to dispel.
Spanking =/= beating your kids -- one will leave them with a red-reminder while the other will leave them permanently damaged one way or another -- there's also the question of whether or not the crime warranted the punishment -- Don't get me wrong, I understand that there can always be non-physical resolution but I don't think spanking is a huge deal -- also who spanks their kids after they've hit puberty o.O? I'd start taking away their games or other privileges instead--
My parents used to spank me alot.And my friends never did get spanked.And now all my friends are into weed other drugs/porn and gangs.And I live in a very nice/safe area.Im only 14 years old and my last time being spanked i think was last year.And my dad still will I know that.but because I have that fear i feel that kids need to have it to stay good.Because my friends never had that thought of there parents will do anything but a time out that its ok to be bad I wont get a punishment.
I spanked my sons for only two things and only had to do it a couple times during there child hood. For trying to run out into the street, because the little bit of pain would be nothing compared to being hit by a car, and for climbing out of car seat, same reason as above. I never hit my children as a means to teach them anything, When they were small I gave them attention over other adults, when they could talk and reason I taught them manners, Be a Parent and quit being couch potatoes
i sorta agree with this theory, but i think it is okay to spank ur children for dicipline depending of behavior. when i get older im probably going to use other methods too but i think that spanking ur children is neccesery at some points in time.
... (cont.) If a young child misbehaves and you take away their favorite toy, for example, the message is just as clear. It just might take a little more patience and effort by the parent. I'll concede that hitting is easier for the parent, but that doesn't make it right.
Some people on the pro-spanking side seem to be arguing that discipline = spanking, that a decline in spanking means a decline in discipline. No one is arguing that people should stop disciplining kids, just that there are better ways of doing it than spanking. I don't buy this argument that hitting is the only way the get the message through to a kid. (cont.)
@shtickfigure0 I agree, and there are so many great shows to help, we applied stuff we saw on Super Nanny, joanne, to our foster daughter and it changed the poorly learned behavior from her sociopath mother. We never had to hit her once to do that, and she was prone to outburst of violence and rage in the beginning, so if we can undo the bad behavior of an 11 year old we did not raise, then how much better can a parent do using these skills from the nanny do with there own child from birth.
if they start their life getting away with everything then its obvious that they are going to keep up the act.
i know its easier said than done but my opinion on this is not to ban spanking but to keep our familys together. women should not have children untill they have settled down and decided they are with who they want to be with. not because they get a house on the social
I was hit as a child and not necessarily a spank to the bum to. but i was a well behaved kid and believe that part of the problem to our society's downfall with the youths is simply down to lack of this. and i think you'll find that kids that grow up without a father and this type of punishment are more likely to be the delinquents as they get away with murder from their mother and there was no father there to keep them in line.
Ok... 2 things here... 1. There is a difference in spanking, and assault, you said plain as day 'slapped' for if a employer were to 'punish' you, a slap to a face, is much more hurtful then a tap to the bum. The face, is your identity, and when you're slapped in the face, your identity is damaged. Spanking is a nudging them to do the right thing. 2. Abuse, and punishment. Abuse: illegal, yes. But punishment, that's a different story, if they dont learn how to not misbehave they always will.
this is why we have undisciplined little shits now, because their parents arent disciplining them. You use physical punishment because they ARE Children, they cannot understand certain concepts through talking/yelling, hence spanking. It is harmless, this is bullshit, you obviously dont have children.
I don't know on that one... I am actually pretty well-behaved as well as others in my family from corporal punishment... I actually could say that I have more sense from being spanked. Now, I do say that there is a problem with knowing what age is appropriate to start this practice.
Spanking isn't for everyone but to outlaw it would be foolhardy.
Spanking grown ups? Should they institute corporal punishment in the work place? or Colleges and Universities? How about in the topless and nudie bars when a dancer is rude? Sey how about the spanking of a cute little sales girl thats rude to you at a local Burgess King?
well I used to be spanked when I was a kid(by the way I'm 16 now) and let me tell you it didn't feel good. But if it wasn't for spanking I would most likely be doing drugs, starting fights, causing alot of dept to my parents ect. if it wasn't for spanking my parent's would have lost control of me, followed by me not having a future at all.
if anything I should thank my parents for spanking me.
You can not reason with a 3 year old. And spanking if done correctly does no harm to a child. If you use reason instead of an effective form of discipline you are doing the child a disservice.
As a child, I spent time on the island on which my father grew up. You know what set us kids in line when we misbehaved? A spanking. You know what didn't work? A stern session of reasoning.
@KoutetsuTenshin The fact is, while the spanking may have been more effective as a short term punishment, it more than likely had a negative impact on you physically and emotionally that the non-violant punishment would not have had. If parents cant get ahold of their kid without physically attacking them, they probably are not very good parents.
@WhoClashQueenStones No, you seem to think that spanking involves randomly grabbing a kid and slapping the shit out of them, when it wasn't like that at all.
@KoutetsuTenshin Maybe for you. My dad's idea of a spanking was bending me over and beating the shit out of me with a belt. Thats what happens when you say that kids dont have the right to not be attacked. Some parents may see it as ok to just give their kids a tap on the ass when they are bad, on the other hand, you are also going to have people like my dad. Kids either have the right to not be hit or they dont because you cant just say "this had is ok but this hard is bad", too much grey area.
@KoutetsuTenshin yeah exaactly i even checked child services website and they dont' like when parents use objects to spank or hit the child but when using your hand to pat firmly on their behind is 100% legal and recommended! this guy acts like spanking is going chuck norris on him or something....dont' give him a kid!
Parents that hit their kids are fucking evil. I wouldn't hit my worst enemy, let alone a defenceless child. Any parents who thinks it's cool to smack their children remember this.. Your kids will grow up to fucking hate you. Good job!
@CincinnatusSPQR You're right. My mother never hit me in anyway, and we have a great relationship with each other. Her ex-boyfriend smacked me at times (over unnecessary reasons, too) and I haven't talked to him in two years, and he is out of my life for good. Fucking hated him.
@CincinnatusSPQR You are asserting that everyone who gets spanked hates their parents... I got spanked. My brothers got spanked. Do I hate my parents? HELL NO. I believe in disciplining a child in many ways. Find the method that's most effective for you.
@EvilValenStrife You are an exception, this dousnt in any way go to justifying the act or compensate those people who are psychologicaly damaged as a result of child abuse. And disciplining a child is one thing, doing it with the application of violence is another. The only time you should have your hands on a child to protect them from harm.
@CincinnatusSPQR I didn't get beaten or anything traumatizing. I don't know, I would use what method works for me. I don't have kids and I don't want any. The other ways don't work as well unless you have a certain personality and for some people, spanking works better. I don't see spanking as child abuse but some people do and I'll let them think about alternate ways of discipling their children.
spoken like a guy without kids. ever see a kid put in time out,only to tell their parents,fuck you,YOU go to time out? I have...but not my kids. where are the studies that investigate the opposite of the coin? parents who don't spank their kids,in every case i've ever personally seen,has ended up with a kid that was a spoiled little train wreck,many of whom end up drug users,and suicidal when they realize that the real world doesn't really give a shit about them,or their happiness
@ViralMessiah that's exactly my first and second thoughts. my first though was this guy obviously has no kids. or at least i hope he doesn't. my second thought was where do these stats come from? becaues from my personal exp. all the kids without discipline and spanking are very misbehaved and act out. like my niece when she started kindergarten the teacher constantly says she acts out and is very misbehaved becasue my sis does not believe in spanking lol! his stats are wrong!
The amount of assumptions in this video is staggering. Firstly, and most importantly, that "spanking" means the same thing from household to household--especially frustrating is the assumption that people who spank their children are not going to be reasoning with them, at all. Secondly, that children are assumed to be capable of the same level of mental ability as adults. Thirdly, that none of the downfalls you ascribe to spanking are present in other forms of discipline.
@Szedg But to draw conclusions from incomplete data or underknown subjects of a particular section assumptions must be made so that a conclusion can be drawn. These assumptions must generally be monotonous in their setup, as to allow a better comparative analysis and omit as many variables as possible to make a consistent conclusion to the statement at hand.
@Szedg "Firstly, and most importantly, that "spanking" means the same thing from household to household..." this would seem irrelevant to the conclusion being drawn, as he is most likely to be talking of the sharp, physical contact between the parent's hand and the child's backside.
"...are not going to be reasoning with them, at all." What, by saying "Don't do that!" and then punching you is better than me just punching you when you do something I don't like? (continued-)
@Szedg "Secondly, that children are assumed to be capable of the same level of mental ability as adults." Where was such a claim made in the entirety of the video?
"Thirdly, that none of the downfalls you ascribe to spanking are present in other forms of discipline." So taking away my NES at age ten is going to make me aggressive later in life of cause me to develop depression? Or the infamous "No!" will make me abuse my spouse or commit to a life of crime?
and some people who have been beat might not be in jail or even been locked up.. but it has certainly made them more violent then if they were not beat
Ive studied this my whole life through my own experiments. Kids who get beat commit crimes... kids who dont get beat dont commit crimes. And I have a lot of friends.. almost all of them are in jail and they all got beat as kids.. only a couple of us are not in jail.. and we have never been beat. Reward a kid for doing something good and that kid will grow up and keep doing that good thing. I got paid money in elementary school for good grades. And i kept good grades through college
i think the problem is more of the parent/guardian trying to beat lessons into the kid without thinking too much about whether the child even understand the reasons behind the punishments. all they know is that they did something bad. even if the parent means well, corporal punishments (no matter how harsh) without explanation and reasoning, is nothing but child abuse.
corporal punishments on an adult is different. they aren't kids anymore, they should know better.
I just like to know where the limit is? My nephews say themselves that the occasional correcting spank was good for them, they were bastards, they couldn't even play PS together without smashing each others brains in with the controllers. And its not because they were spanked, I never got spanked and me and my sister could gauge each others eyes out too when we were little. Sure its better to not spank but all my nephews are perfectly fine and who am I or you to interfere with their parenting?
@philateliceun@philateliceun And to come back to my question at the beginning of the comment, what is the limit? Is giving your child a tap on the back of his head when he said something like fuck corporal punishment? Is grabbing him by the arm a little too hard inflicting pain? You wanna send parents to jail who slap their children on the back of their head? I knew a guy once who said to his father in a rage "O yeah hit me then you pussy" and his father did. Biggest lesson of his life.
@KelleyGaither2000 Perhaps i shouldn't have brought up whether your mind would be changed because you are quite obviously one of the few sane and reasonable people on the internet. However my point was that children understand language and reason and because of this violence, no matter how you view corporal punishment, it is not a good way to handle children. Straightdope offered well reasoned arguments backed up by several references and has pushed me off the fence.
@KelleyGaither2000 I really hate to do this because you seem like a nice person but you just compared children to horses. Horses don't understand language or reason. For the sake of argument if it were shown to you that in most cases this form of punishment was damaging how would this affect your opinion?
@KelleyGaither2000 If his facts are to be believed then this would make no difference theoretically. If corporeal punishment has a negative affect than it really doesn't matter what an individual thinks as it would be unwise to use. But all that aside, how is spanking not beating a child? To me the word beating means to hit with the intent to cause pain sometimes multiple times in a row. If you spank your children you are hitting them with something to cause pain.
I've known good parents who use corporal punishment and good parents who do not. While I wouldn't say there was one single reason why any of them have chosen their methods, I will say that those who successfully use corporal punishment seem to need to put forth less effort and do so. Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
As the physical punishment I received as a child biases me against physically punishing children and my own only child was miscarried, I have trouble answering that objectively.
cont. That said, my personal account does not make up for studies made, however my abuse has never been reported in any kind of studies, so there may be more people in my position than these studies care to let on.
I do believe positive reinforcement does do good for the child, there needs to be something that tells them they are doing something wrong. Children need to learn there are things that are unacceptable. Physical punishment should be the last thing to use.
I realise I should look at with without bias, however I keep hearing "more likely".
I was spanked as a child, and I am very well behaved, unselfish, care a lot for others and I am currently at uni doing what I've always wanted to. However, I suffer from an anxiety disorder, which was brought on by being emotionally and physically abused by kids who were not punished by their parents and no respect for authorities. They later grew up to become criminals.
My sister spanks her kids, I get better better behaviour out of them easier and more consistently by simply communicating effectively and justly with them as their guardian and point of authority when they are in my care. I never yell. They know I never will If they misbehave I make them tell me what they just did, aloud, to me. And then tell me if they think honestly that was good or bad, then doll out apt non-corporal penalties
I see my sister hitting and spanking out of sheer lazyness.
@GraeHall yes what you said is true and i find it intelligent and refreshing but again they aren't your kids. when they are your kids we are talking about then everything changes because you love your kids more and are more passionate about them doing the right thing. Spanking was always bad to me until i had my own kids then i understood why others implement that and why also the bible says "spare the rod, spoil the child"
Physical punishment is not so bad, except for a few children who are obedient. Bringing up children in liberalism has a negative effect. So-called "juvenal justice" is lobbyed by sionists.
I use spanking and resent the hell out of government and do gooders who seem to think they know my kids better than me. I will not stop rasing my kids the way I think is best based on what works for other kids. Quite frankly i see kids all the time who have never been spanked and they are the worst disaplined children arround.
I do find it funny everyone is against shaking a child but few are against spanking........ I can see the Public Service Announcements now "Never! shake your baby, spank it!"
When in reality, a study done my Drs. Jennifer Lansford and Ken Dodge found that not spanking your kids turns out to have no effect what so ever. if you are spanking them correctly and out of love not anger. But if you do spank your children there is a greater chance that they will learn respect and turn out better! SO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.
spanking is not slapping someone in the face as most of your photos showed or assaulting anyone! An assault it out of anger and is considered abuse. Some people spank out of anger and yes, that is wrong, but spanking as a correctional action is not abuse. There is a difference between spanking and abuse, spanking is a light tap on the butt ox to let the child know that they are in the wrong. Where is your proof that kids that are spanked are worse off? the rest is continued in another post...
I was spanked by my mother when I was younger. Long story short, it led to abuse of me and my brother by her. It got to the pont where DCFS was called in. I went to counseling and a doctor where I was diagnosed with clinical depression. I have very little friends, I'm socially awkward, I'vee been in abusive relationships, my brother acts out, and it's all due to my mother having the power of a "spanking" go to her head until eventually I was put in the ICU due to abuse. his needs to be stopped.
Bah, I'm not sure. Yeah, I don't think systematic spanking can replace education, and is likely damaging to the child. However, enacting a law which doesn't allow parents ANY corporal discipline over their children would put alot of good parents in jail.
Children are 'humans in training', we are all still very much animals. Sometimes there is nothing so clear as pain inflicted from a dominant power. Regardless of situational 'power'. I think some children need this humbling experience.
Wow. I ran away from home as a child because I recieved spankings. My dad took off my pants and underwear, rubbed my butt with baby oil and smacked away with various tools (hand, brush, paddle, wood). Then he rubbed it with sand paper. Don't hit your kids. I'm still scarred with the memories.
Spanking is a difficult issue. It is not NECESSARY. It is a tool for control freak parents to keep their children in line.
I was spanked for almost everything when I was young, even harmless accidents. I never got in trouble in school and was always respectful to adults and my peers.
However when I turned 16 I finally snapped when my father trashed my room for forgetting to wait for him after school instead of taking the school bus. (cont)
@Necroshe (cont) I kicked his ass so hard I had to call an ambulance to pick him up and I have never talked to him since. I went to go live with my mom and he calls me several times a day. It has been 3 years. I'm not planning on attending his funeral.
I was spanked as a child, and I think my parents were right in doing so. You can't reason with a toddler or child, therefore you have to have other methods to show them that what they did is not right. Spanking does not leave any permanent scars. It is just a small sting telling them not to do that action again. Without spanking, many kids grow up being spoiled brats who don't know the difference between right and wrong because their parents thought that they were able to reason with a toddler.
exactly
bluegreen1138 1 week ago in playlist Favorite videos
when i was 4 my cusin would beat the shit out of me if i didnt do as i was told, it went on for about 10 years. i am now 19 and all threw out middle and high school i suffered aggression problems and developed imagenary friends . saddly i still talk to the people in my head even tho i know now they arent real, but they seem real to me, also her beating me caused me to over eat at a young age and develope horrible habbits. my grandma just acted like it was little spankings.
ShadowTheSoulless 2 weeks ago
@ShadowTheSoulless Many people suffer like you did. I hope you have a way to deal with it now and try to fix your mind as much as possible. Just remember that you are in no way alone in that fate. However, it soulds more like psychotic abuse, not corporal punishment discussed in this video (I am against that, but your story seems far worse).
GnosticAtheist 2 weeks ago
I don't agree with this at all. He seems to be confusing corporal punishment with abuse. Moderate punishment DOES work, as long as it's consistent, fair and rare. And I think it's been shown in the last 40 years, that other methods don't work as well. He keeps citing 3-year-olds getting spanked, and using inflamatory language like violence, abuse, etc. 3 is far too young, as kids don't really understand at that age. The aim isn't to hurt, but to correct, to bring them up sharply. Love them first
raphael44ify 2 weeks ago
@raphael44ify I am from a country where corporal punishment is illegal, without death penalty or life imprisonment (unless criminally insane at the time of release). We have the lowest crime rates in the world. Our problem is that people from other cultures and thus other social backgrounds come here (often with good reason) and commit crimes, but thats another story. My point is that less violence during childhood = less crime.
GnosticAtheist 2 weeks ago
@GnosticAtheist I agree with you that less violence during childhood results in less crime. I think where we disagree, is what constitutes violence. You say that all corporal punishment, however mild, is violent. I think this does the victims of real violence a disservice. Punching, kicking, hitting with implements are abuse. If a child is injured, it's abuse. Smacking on the bottom with the hand, as long as it's deserved, is not. I don't think that should be banned. (cont)
raphael44ify 2 weeks ago
@GnosticAtheist (cont) > Parents' authority over children in most of the Western world is already at an all-time low, and this would be just another nail in the coffin. This is to the detriment of the kids themselves. I also come from a country with no death penalty and few lifers, but crime here is high. Most parents don't smack their kids here. It's to do with love, constancy and leading by example. Corporal punishment is rarely needed, but it should be there as a last resort.
raphael44ify 2 weeks ago
@raphael44ify May I ask what contry that is? I am from Norway.
GnosticAtheist 2 weeks ago
@GnosticAtheist I THOUGHT it was! Or at least Scandinavia lol! I'm from the UK. I'm not sure whether your low crime rate is down to the absence of CP - there are probably a lot of societal factors - and countries vary hugely from each other. There is a lot of youth crime here (e,g, 2011 riots). Many parents are irresponsible, they set a bad example, they don't care, they're not there,etc. Even ones that are not like that don't dare punish their kids. BTW,your English is fantastic
raphael44ify 2 weeks ago
@raphael44ify Yes, I agree that other factors obviously is a factor, a major factor depending on the specific issue. It is important to note that all Scandinavian countries have the same sociological system and morality, with more or less the same end result. You are correct hovewer, I cannot claim direct correlation.
The 2011 riot is a problematic example, as it is a venting factor due to legal specifics and a response to (percieved) injustice over decades.
cont
GnosticAtheist 2 weeks ago
@GnosticAtheist cont
Remember that the same applies to your problem. CP may not be the reason of our low crime just as the lack of CP may not be the reason of your crime.
Thank you (on my English skill level). I have higher education and text material was in English and German. Also, we did not have dubbed movies or cartoons during my childhood, and all my interests where linked to foreign media.
GnosticAtheist 2 weeks ago
i think you be taken to the woodshed
5433429 2 weeks ago
Weird how I can get my 5 year old sister to behave better than her parents, all thanks to the power of the back of my hand... no wait, that's what they do, and it fails every time. Turns out talking to a human being works better than beating the shit out of them.
Pieh0 2 weeks ago 2
STUPID ASS SHIT there is nothing wrong with spanking how the fuck else are kids going to learn!
flatface420fb 2 weeks ago
@flatface420fb He just told you how you fucking moron. Just hit yourself until it sinks in.
Meiz79 2 weeks ago
@Meiz79 or I could hit you until it sinks in you fucking pathetic piece of shit!
flatface420fb 2 weeks ago
@flatface420fb By cognitive abilities. I have seen both methods several times, and I am old enough now to see the results. Those that had stabile, cognitive relationships with their parents became stabile, cognitive people. Those that did not leave emotionally charges, capped comments on youtube.
GnosticAtheist 2 weeks ago
@AnnaliseJonas1 You don't talk back or disobey? These are things normal kids do as part of their growing process so that they can one day become independent, thinking adults, You poor child. I hope you don't become a lifelong wimp when you grow up and run for cover anytime someone says "boo" to you.
wirepaladin58 3 weeks ago
@crothersdaniel Listen up you mental ass! I have a lot going on right now, like the Centex Honor Band and school. I dont have time to deal with all these idiots who wanna mess with me and my life! SHUT UP AND LEAVE ME ALONE!!
AnnaliseJonas1 3 weeks ago
You're a moron! And I'll bet you don't have kids. When I was small, I use to hit, bite, and bully other kids. However, after a few spankings from my father, I have been well behaved, and have a very high self esteem because my parents loved me enough to see that I was properly disciplined. When my kids visit other homes, everyone tells me how well they behave. And they better.
7165mike 1 month ago
One time a police bobby would give a miscreant a clip around the ear. And if that kid complained to his dad he would of got another for deserving it. That kid learned respect. Probably brought up a solid family with values.
Today many youths grow up without respect of parents, teachers or the law. They get aggressive if corrected. Sitting a kid on the naughty step doesn't work. Generations of discipline did work. This new age liberal philosophy has failed to prove it works on anything.
webboffin 1 month ago
And if your kids hit you......The belt may be taking it a bit to far, but sometimes your kids need that pain factor of a pop across the face to set them in line. If they had enough self esteem to disrespect you as the parent that provides, then they have the self esteem to take it.
bobfttw 1 month ago in playlist More videos from straightd0pe
@crothersdaniel You idiot. You poor poor idiot. You don't understand a single word I'm saying do you? Here, let me make it easier for you to understand, S P A N K I N G I S N O T V I O L E N T ! ! ! There now, do you understand? Or do I have to do this again?
AnnaliseJonas1 1 month ago
@crothersdaniel No! spanking is NOT violence, it is a way that some idiot invented to teach the child a lesson. IF spanking is done the right way, the child will learn not to do, whatever it is they did, again in the future. But wat I ABSOLUTELY DON'T agree on is spanking for young toddlers. THAT will lead to violence!
AnnaliseJonas1 1 month ago
It's ridiculous the type of views people have on children. In high school my economics teacher said that he believe no one should have any rights until they contribute to society. I can only assume that what he meant by rights is voting rights, government assistance rights and things like that. I doubt he really meant they were down right property, however I still find it to be a ridiculous belief and probably originates from (what I assume he has) hatred for teenagers.
CorkPhop 1 month ago
there's a huge difference between spanking and beating, there's also a HUGE difference between spanking a child as a punishment vs. spanking an adult while engage in some sexual/playful acts.
I was spanked in the broad definition. 'To strike the buttocks with an open hand...' But it was very few and VERY far between because just like any other forms of punishment I didn't want it. Yes, I realize what I just said. No I didn't want it when I was little. But I also wouldn't have wanted a toy
Lizzyerdify 1 month ago
taken away, nor did I ever want to be grounded, or any of the other things out there. (And by the way I was grounded more than spanked - a whole two or three times in my life - so if that works why did my parents have to do it more times?).
I never have done drugs. I am not a criminal. I was never mean to other kids growing up, in fact I was normally the brunt of THEIR meanness. I have no alcohol problems, in fact I don't even like the taste all that much. I'll still say it as effective.
Lizzyerdify 1 month ago
no YOU fail at life you perverted asshole!! Shut the fuck up and go stick your head up a sewage pipe! I do just fine without you crazy ppl!
AnnaliseJonas1 1 month ago
I think spanking is just perverted. I`m into slavery and BDSM. I would never have my child expose themselves and then hit them in a sexual area. It`s just violating, not to mention humiliating.
WorkaholicsAnon 1 month ago
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mcd3424 1 month ago
they do need to be spanked hard
sheena1991able 1 month ago
This really made me want to do things against it. Great persuasive video!
Individude 1 month ago
This video seems to equate slapping a child's wrist for misbehaving and beating a child to a bloody pulp, there is a huge difference.
bradjbourgeois73 1 month ago
You are like the anti-christ. the bible is very clear on this Proverbs 13:24 24 He who withholds his [a]rod hates his son,
But he who loves him [b]disciplines him diligently
smilez4u28 2 months ago
@WorldTurnBlack exactly!
smilez4u28 2 months ago
Also I am pretty sure you are either confused or not explaining yourself right. Spanking is totally fine but I think what you are referring to is physical abuse or any abuse/ malice. If you actually tyr to love your child there should be no way you can harm your child. A few pats on the butt is only used to communicate that bad things will happen when they act wrong or do bad things. It's so they don't grow up to do drugs, steal, murder or hit. You methodogy is ascue but define more clearly ...
smilez4u28 2 months ago in playlist More videos from straightd0pe
@smilez4u28 Wow... You clearly have no idea! Did you even watch the video? I feel sorry for your kids!
mummateddybear 1 month ago
@mummateddybear do what you want. i already commented on this. i will pray for your kids who will grow up and become the criminals of our society i on the otherhand will raise my kids to have respect and obey the law and authority. you must have no fear of God. hopefully you are barren and can't have kids because yo duont' lvoe them enough to teach them how to act right! GO AWAY! GOD BLESS!
smilez4u28 1 month ago
It's very obvious you don't have kids because everyone will say spanking is wrong until you have your own kids that don't behave. I want a well behaved child who is raised right and can survive this horrible planet. I ain't raising no sissy and if i don't spank my child I know he will turn out to be some homo wimpy sissy who can't think for himself. THis video is spreading a message of allowing your kids to run rampant and to be undisciplined. you will change your mind if you ever have kids!
smilez4u28 2 months ago in playlist More videos from straightd0pe
I was really liking your vids, This one left me divided. Simply because When I was growing up. It use to be a running joke That kids who werent familiar with corpral punishment acted in public opposed to kids that were. Now because it's pretty much illegal kids are just running rampant.
gmann1695 2 months ago in playlist More videos from straightd0pe
Soooooo stupid.
feligirl01 2 months ago
Boy, people sure are dumb, particularly on this issue. You can cite statistics and scientific studies all day to these people showing the uselessness and ill effects of corporal punishment, and they still say "Nope! You need to spank your kids or theyll turn into criminals! I got spanked and I turned out just fine." Apparently you DIDN'T turn out "just fine" if you're still that much of an idiot.
rnalithe00 2 months ago 7
@rnalithe00 Thank god someone gets it... I can't believe the comments on this video... our society must really be more messed up than I thought!
mummateddybear 1 month ago
fucking liberals man
LukeHolder1 2 months ago in playlist More videos from straightd0pe
STUPID! I was and still am spanked by my adopted fathers and i will tell you now that even though i am 13 spanking IS effective! I dont disrespect, talk back, disobey, or do ANYTHING I know that'll get me a trip over my fathers' knees! And if i do ANYTHING like get a bf or vandelize or even sneek out I get a belt, a hairbrush or a paddle maybe even a strap but the only harm is a blistered backside because they know i wont do it again so spanking DOES NOT cause any harmful effects & IS effective!
AnnaliseJonas1 2 months ago
@AnnaliseJonas1 If you don't do anything wrong why are you still getting spanked?
straightd0pe 2 months ago 16
@straightd0pe Because I have a tendency to delay doing as I'm told or when they say I can't do something I push their limits and on ocasions like my birthday I get spanked.
AnnaliseJonas1 2 months ago
@straightd0pe PS) And sometimes I like to wind them up.
AnnaliseJonas1 2 months ago
@straightd0pe she probably doesnt as often anymore so shes starting to learn her lesson now ok there is a difference between discipline and abuse and the parents have the right to control everything because they brought their kid into the world and they pay for everything want to be treated like an adult act like one theyre are so many disrespectful kids today because of these stupid laws i was spanked till i was 11 then i never got into trouble
83manimal 1 month ago
@AnnaliseJonas1 are you fucking retarded?
TotallyMeAwesome223 1 month ago in playlist Controversial
@TotallyMeAwesome223 I'm not but you are!
AnnaliseJonas1 1 month ago
@AnnaliseJonas1 umm, no i'm pretty sure your fucking retarded.
TotallyMeAwesome223 1 month ago
@TotallyMeAwesome223 shut your fucking mouth you bitchin' mf!
AnnaliseJonas1 1 month ago
@AnnaliseJonas1 you obviously don't want me to shut up because your still replying to me you fucking retard. if you didn't do anything wrong then why are you getting spanked? exactly. but i would expect you to be fucked up anyways the fact that you have TWO dads. lol. you fail at life.
TotallyMeAwesome223 1 month ago
@AnnaliseJonas1
You will be in prison very soon!! You're going to be beaten by gaurds and raped over and over to control YOUR behavior. Loser
queennikki4U 3 weeks ago
@queennikki4U I can tell by your comment that your a sl*t but why say stuff like that to a 13 year old who has already been through part of it? My life is horrible. Not homelife but school and pretty much everywhere else. I am made fun of, beaten bloody by all my school mates and hated by all but my guardians. So why make it worse? Im pretty much wishing to be dead anyway.
AnnaliseJonas1 3 weeks ago
@AnnaliseJonas1 Death can be a gift. If your life is so shitty than report it to the police. There are laws to protect you. You are 13 get a back bone and stand up for yourself. If your trashy father gave 2 shits about you he would speak to your school. You are so angry, low self esteem. You are also a damn liar no school would allow you to be beaten till your bloody. YOU control your life there is help you just want to be a victim gross!!
queennikki4U 3 weeks ago
@queennikki4U The beating happens outside of school property in places where people rarely visit in my town. And I dont want to be the victim but I cant tell either for fear of getting hanged cuz thats wat some of the kids want to do right now and its in their nature to torture outsiders like me. And when I do TRY to tell they just punch on me more so I dont know wat to do anymore. Just leave me alone, if I die then I die. God will help me in some way.
AnnaliseJonas1 3 weeks ago
@AnnaliseJonas1 you did not listen i see ^^
guldrev 2 weeks ago
Effective in rattling your mind, maybe.
YoungMoney4280 2 weeks ago
@AnnaliseJonas1 getting a boyfriend is worth a spank? right..am I I the only one finding something wrong with this?
HOAX900 4 days ago
@HOAX900 nope
NateTalksToYou 2 days ago
You sound gay
debrunskys 2 months ago
This video made me so angry, I woke my son up and spanked him.
candypodratz 2 months ago 2
@candypodratz oh my gosh that is the most hilarious thing i've seen all day! good show candy. i wish iwould have thought of that! lol oh man friend rqst me
smilez4u28 2 months ago in playlist More videos from straightd0pe
in childcare settings, there's a no touch policy when it comes to children. this means you basically can't touch them in a harmful way. i was let go from a volunteer position at a daycare b/c i didn't understand this policy. but then again no one at the daycare would train me neither would they give me a second chance when i asked for one. in short i bring this down to discrimination b/c i'm disabled.
Stephie2007 2 months ago 2
@Stephie2007 to add to this, what caused this was i had put a child in time out and when she got out, i put her back (meaning i made her sit down, this is the only way i know of doing things since my teachers in the childcare setting i was in as a kid did this with me when i got difficult although times have obviously changed since the early 90s) then another thing happened on the playground where a girl was standing next to the swings I wasn't gonna let her kicked so I lead her to safety
Stephie2007 2 months ago
There is no empirical or logical argument for spanking. Some people here think that stating their personal opinion or anecdotal experience qualifies as a sound or valid argument. Opinions and anecdotes are not scientific.
The anecdotal experiences and derived conclusions that 1). I was hit and I turned out fine; 2). I was hit, and my peers turned out worst than me; and 3). Violence is necessary, because children cannot reason are easily debunked.
jeromek10 2 months ago
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jeromek10 2 months ago
I agree with you 100%! Parents should not be allowed to spank because too many parents spank out of laziness! They don't want to take the time to understand their child. Also, the majority of the time spanking turns into abuse. I am a parent and grand parent and know how easy it is to fall into the illusion of the quick easy fix of spanking. Children learn from the example set forth by watching their parents and are born with the desire to please! Spanking has no lasting significance!
songbird1947 3 months ago
Spanking should only be used in an extreme circumstance. Only.
Not a normal practice.
dingleflorden 3 months ago in playlist More videos from straightd0pe
I very much agree.
LeahGuastavino 3 months ago
I like to belive I'm an intelligent individual. Please don't tell me what I am saying. When I say "I was spanked as a kid and I'm fine" I MEAN "I was spanked as a kid and I am fine". Heres some tips, how about mind your own business and don't worry about how other people are raising their kids. It's not like your the ones living with them, you don't know their learning-style, therefore you have no grounds to deem what is proper and improper methods of child-rearing.
Okay, I'm off of my soapbox.
Elektronikrain 3 months ago
Thanks for this video! We need to create more awareness and as you can see so many people do not want to admit that having been punished when children was traumatic and they don't know of other ways but keep doing the same thing to their children. That's why it is so important that we keep getting informed about what research shows and teach better discipline models to parents. Excluding corporal punishment does not mean to let them grow ruleless, People don't misinterpret things!!
Marfilla 3 months ago
i have to say i disagree, i was spanked until the age of 10. I think this is ok since a young child cannot comprehend verbal direction, and children learn faster by pain. When a new born is exploring his environment he might bite his finger then he notices it hurts thus he learns that he should not do that anymore
When a child is mature enough to follow verbal direction spanking is not needed
ksiguineau 3 months ago
i have to say i disagree, i was spanked until the age of 10. I think this is ok since a young child cannot comprehend verbal direction, and children learn faster by pain. When a new born is exploring his environment he might bite his finger then he notices it hurts thus he learns that he should not do that anymore
ksiguineau 3 months ago
nice vid...but dont need more laws...know DIE self....
circusoflife 3 months ago
Sometimes you have to beat the shit out of the kids. I guess as soon as you get kids, you'll understand.
Cheerz
casperado666 4 months ago
spanking is a good way of discouraging negative behaviour, it teaches kids their are negative consequences for negative behaviour. paired with positive reinforcement it's great. However when you cross the line into child abuse (giving a child a black eye, excessive beating) then that's wrong. there is a difference between child abuse & spanking and most adults who were spanked but not abused know the difference.
JudiM 4 months ago
@JudiM Surely, the immediate natural consequences of negative behavior are enough to discourage it, if you don't think it is, then use words, do not make a bad situation worse by spanking.
TheStrangerInTheRye 4 months ago
I'm all for rewarding good behaviour/positive re-enforcement, but I also believe in spanking, I was spanked and I turned out better than a lot of my friends who were not spanked and I'm not violent or lacking in cognitive skills. Plus my observation has been the total opposite of your study (spanking is legal where live). spanked kids are better behaved than kids wo are not. I'm just saying.....
JudiM 4 months ago
pack of lies
jblogs1000 4 months ago
both methods with my 11 year old sister do not work. But this is more of my mom's fault because she has let my sister become the dominant one.
kingbooforums 4 months ago
spankem and they will love you.
MrLeeb60 4 months ago
Spankings shouldn't be banned. Just hitting the child without comforting or telling them what they did wrong is child abuse.
FireFistAce111 4 months ago
This presentation is liberal social engineering propaganda. What were these "studies" that showed spankings make children worse? They probably pulled this out of the air. The speaker sounds like he's fresh out of college looking for a commie cause to take on. Stop intermeddling in the family, please go somewhere else and ruin another country.
johnmoore4 4 months ago
This almost made me tear up. I never thought once that getting lashings could have caused me to get into a ton of fights in my younger years. Surprising though, when I got my first black eye ever, from my parent, I didn't become violent in high school. I was more introverted, and didn't speak much.
That's all changed now. I'm in college and I do have friends who are very positive, but I do have the occasional violent thought that I try to dispel.
Bleachlover01 5 months ago
Spanking =/= beating your kids -- one will leave them with a red-reminder while the other will leave them permanently damaged one way or another -- there's also the question of whether or not the crime warranted the punishment -- Don't get me wrong, I understand that there can always be non-physical resolution but I don't think spanking is a huge deal -- also who spanks their kids after they've hit puberty o.O? I'd start taking away their games or other privileges instead--
hansel518 5 months ago
My parents used to spank me alot.And my friends never did get spanked.And now all my friends are into weed other drugs/porn and gangs.And I live in a very nice/safe area.Im only 14 years old and my last time being spanked i think was last year.And my dad still will I know that.but because I have that fear i feel that kids need to have it to stay good.Because my friends never had that thought of there parents will do anything but a time out that its ok to be bad I wont get a punishment.
combatfoot 5 months ago
I spanked my sons for only two things and only had to do it a couple times during there child hood. For trying to run out into the street, because the little bit of pain would be nothing compared to being hit by a car, and for climbing out of car seat, same reason as above. I never hit my children as a means to teach them anything, When they were small I gave them attention over other adults, when they could talk and reason I taught them manners, Be a Parent and quit being couch potatoes
robtay1963 5 months ago 3
Different parenting styles. I have no problems with non-excessive hitting.
iscrewy 6 months ago
@iscrewy chose a parenting style that doesnt violate the rights of others including your children and the society!
marketanarchist2011 5 months ago
The issue becomes, "Is it within the scope of reasonable parenting to parent poorly?"
piprod01 6 months ago
i sorta agree with this theory, but i think it is okay to spank ur children for dicipline depending of behavior. when i get older im probably going to use other methods too but i think that spanking ur children is neccesery at some points in time.
Diane530 6 months ago
@Diane530 brute
marketanarchist2011 5 months ago
... (cont.) If a young child misbehaves and you take away their favorite toy, for example, the message is just as clear. It just might take a little more patience and effort by the parent. I'll concede that hitting is easier for the parent, but that doesn't make it right.
shtickfigure0 6 months ago
Some people on the pro-spanking side seem to be arguing that discipline = spanking, that a decline in spanking means a decline in discipline. No one is arguing that people should stop disciplining kids, just that there are better ways of doing it than spanking. I don't buy this argument that hitting is the only way the get the message through to a kid. (cont.)
shtickfigure0 6 months ago
@shtickfigure0 I agree, and there are so many great shows to help, we applied stuff we saw on Super Nanny, joanne, to our foster daughter and it changed the poorly learned behavior from her sociopath mother. We never had to hit her once to do that, and she was prone to outburst of violence and rage in the beginning, so if we can undo the bad behavior of an 11 year old we did not raise, then how much better can a parent do using these skills from the nanny do with there own child from birth.
robtay1963 5 months ago
if they start their life getting away with everything then its obvious that they are going to keep up the act.
i know its easier said than done but my opinion on this is not to ban spanking but to keep our familys together. women should not have children untill they have settled down and decided they are with who they want to be with. not because they get a house on the social
TheBobby1kenobi 6 months ago
I was hit as a child and not necessarily a spank to the bum to. but i was a well behaved kid and believe that part of the problem to our society's downfall with the youths is simply down to lack of this. and i think you'll find that kids that grow up without a father and this type of punishment are more likely to be the delinquents as they get away with murder from their mother and there was no father there to keep them in line.
TheBobby1kenobi 6 months ago
Ok... 2 things here... 1. There is a difference in spanking, and assault, you said plain as day 'slapped' for if a employer were to 'punish' you, a slap to a face, is much more hurtful then a tap to the bum. The face, is your identity, and when you're slapped in the face, your identity is damaged. Spanking is a nudging them to do the right thing. 2. Abuse, and punishment. Abuse: illegal, yes. But punishment, that's a different story, if they dont learn how to not misbehave they always will.
cmt9271995 6 months ago
this is why we have undisciplined little shits now, because their parents arent disciplining them. You use physical punishment because they ARE Children, they cannot understand certain concepts through talking/yelling, hence spanking. It is harmless, this is bullshit, you obviously dont have children.
DaytonaRoadster 7 months ago
I don't know on that one... I am actually pretty well-behaved as well as others in my family from corporal punishment... I actually could say that I have more sense from being spanked. Now, I do say that there is a problem with knowing what age is appropriate to start this practice.
Spanking isn't for everyone but to outlaw it would be foolhardy.
EvilValenStrife 7 months ago
Spanking grown ups? Should they institute corporal punishment in the work place? or Colleges and Universities? How about in the topless and nudie bars when a dancer is rude? Sey how about the spanking of a cute little sales girl thats rude to you at a local Burgess King?
MrOphachew 7 months ago
Spare the rod; spoil the child.
MrOphachew 7 months ago
I was curious. Do you have children?
NateTalksToYou 7 months ago 3
well I used to be spanked when I was a kid(by the way I'm 16 now) and let me tell you it didn't feel good. But if it wasn't for spanking I would most likely be doing drugs, starting fights, causing alot of dept to my parents ect. if it wasn't for spanking my parent's would have lost control of me, followed by me not having a future at all.
if anything I should thank my parents for spanking me.
sounds kinda silly :P
gamersed94 7 months ago
You can not reason with a 3 year old. And spanking if done correctly does no harm to a child. If you use reason instead of an effective form of discipline you are doing the child a disservice.
540merlin 7 months ago
As a child, I spent time on the island on which my father grew up. You know what set us kids in line when we misbehaved? A spanking. You know what didn't work? A stern session of reasoning.
KoutetsuTenshin 7 months ago
@KoutetsuTenshin The fact is, while the spanking may have been more effective as a short term punishment, it more than likely had a negative impact on you physically and emotionally that the non-violant punishment would not have had. If parents cant get ahold of their kid without physically attacking them, they probably are not very good parents.
WhoClashQueenStones 7 months ago
@WhoClashQueenStones No, you seem to think that spanking involves randomly grabbing a kid and slapping the shit out of them, when it wasn't like that at all.
KoutetsuTenshin 7 months ago
@KoutetsuTenshin Maybe for you. My dad's idea of a spanking was bending me over and beating the shit out of me with a belt. Thats what happens when you say that kids dont have the right to not be attacked. Some parents may see it as ok to just give their kids a tap on the ass when they are bad, on the other hand, you are also going to have people like my dad. Kids either have the right to not be hit or they dont because you cant just say "this had is ok but this hard is bad", too much grey area.
WhoClashQueenStones 7 months ago 2
@KoutetsuTenshin yeah exaactly i even checked child services website and they dont' like when parents use objects to spank or hit the child but when using your hand to pat firmly on their behind is 100% legal and recommended! this guy acts like spanking is going chuck norris on him or something....dont' give him a kid!
smilez4u28 2 months ago
I was spanked many times, all the time. I'm pretty sure alot if not everyone was.
Falconpunch82 7 months ago
Parents that hit their kids are fucking evil. I wouldn't hit my worst enemy, let alone a defenceless child. Any parents who thinks it's cool to smack their children remember this.. Your kids will grow up to fucking hate you. Good job!
CincinnatusSPQR 8 months ago 2
@CincinnatusSPQR You're right. My mother never hit me in anyway, and we have a great relationship with each other. Her ex-boyfriend smacked me at times (over unnecessary reasons, too) and I haven't talked to him in two years, and he is out of my life for good. Fucking hated him.
TheOneWingedBird 7 months ago
@TheOneWingedBird Cool username.
CincinnatusSPQR 7 months ago
@CincinnatusSPQR thanks :)
TheOneWingedBird 7 months ago
@CincinnatusSPQR You are asserting that everyone who gets spanked hates their parents... I got spanked. My brothers got spanked. Do I hate my parents? HELL NO. I believe in disciplining a child in many ways. Find the method that's most effective for you.
EvilValenStrife 7 months ago
@EvilValenStrife You are an exception, this dousnt in any way go to justifying the act or compensate those people who are psychologicaly damaged as a result of child abuse. And disciplining a child is one thing, doing it with the application of violence is another. The only time you should have your hands on a child to protect them from harm.
CincinnatusSPQR 6 months ago
@CincinnatusSPQR I didn't get beaten or anything traumatizing. I don't know, I would use what method works for me. I don't have kids and I don't want any. The other ways don't work as well unless you have a certain personality and for some people, spanking works better. I don't see spanking as child abuse but some people do and I'll let them think about alternate ways of discipling their children.
EvilValenStrife 6 months ago
spoken like a guy without kids. ever see a kid put in time out,only to tell their parents,fuck you,YOU go to time out? I have...but not my kids. where are the studies that investigate the opposite of the coin? parents who don't spank their kids,in every case i've ever personally seen,has ended up with a kid that was a spoiled little train wreck,many of whom end up drug users,and suicidal when they realize that the real world doesn't really give a shit about them,or their happiness
ViralMessiah 8 months ago 2
@ViralMessiah that's exactly my first and second thoughts. my first though was this guy obviously has no kids. or at least i hope he doesn't. my second thought was where do these stats come from? becaues from my personal exp. all the kids without discipline and spanking are very misbehaved and act out. like my niece when she started kindergarten the teacher constantly says she acts out and is very misbehaved becasue my sis does not believe in spanking lol! his stats are wrong!
smilez4u28 2 months ago
well said, dear
creepykels 8 months ago
Shut up pussy
airjammerroadrammer 8 months ago
@airjammerroadrammer omgosh i laughed so hard at your comment i woke my wife up beside me lol. awesome airjammer! nuff said lol
smilez4u28 2 months ago
The amount of assumptions in this video is staggering. Firstly, and most importantly, that "spanking" means the same thing from household to household--especially frustrating is the assumption that people who spank their children are not going to be reasoning with them, at all. Secondly, that children are assumed to be capable of the same level of mental ability as adults. Thirdly, that none of the downfalls you ascribe to spanking are present in other forms of discipline.
Szedg 9 months ago
@Szedg But to draw conclusions from incomplete data or underknown subjects of a particular section assumptions must be made so that a conclusion can be drawn. These assumptions must generally be monotonous in their setup, as to allow a better comparative analysis and omit as many variables as possible to make a consistent conclusion to the statement at hand.
lolChickenShark 7 months ago
@Szedg "Firstly, and most importantly, that "spanking" means the same thing from household to household..." this would seem irrelevant to the conclusion being drawn, as he is most likely to be talking of the sharp, physical contact between the parent's hand and the child's backside.
"...are not going to be reasoning with them, at all." What, by saying "Don't do that!" and then punching you is better than me just punching you when you do something I don't like? (continued-)
lolChickenShark 7 months ago
@Szedg "Secondly, that children are assumed to be capable of the same level of mental ability as adults." Where was such a claim made in the entirety of the video?
"Thirdly, that none of the downfalls you ascribe to spanking are present in other forms of discipline." So taking away my NES at age ten is going to make me aggressive later in life of cause me to develop depression? Or the infamous "No!" will make me abuse my spouse or commit to a life of crime?
lolChickenShark 7 months ago
and some people who have been beat might not be in jail or even been locked up.. but it has certainly made them more violent then if they were not beat
FamousEddieFortune 9 months ago
Ive studied this my whole life through my own experiments. Kids who get beat commit crimes... kids who dont get beat dont commit crimes. And I have a lot of friends.. almost all of them are in jail and they all got beat as kids.. only a couple of us are not in jail.. and we have never been beat. Reward a kid for doing something good and that kid will grow up and keep doing that good thing. I got paid money in elementary school for good grades. And i kept good grades through college
FamousEddieFortune 9 months ago
If I acted up I got whooped and yes I feared that so I DIDNT act up. Spanking is something all parents should do. Tough Love. Thats my opinion, mike
12345mike6789 9 months ago
i think the problem is more of the parent/guardian trying to beat lessons into the kid without thinking too much about whether the child even understand the reasons behind the punishments. all they know is that they did something bad. even if the parent means well, corporal punishments (no matter how harsh) without explanation and reasoning, is nothing but child abuse.
corporal punishments on an adult is different. they aren't kids anymore, they should know better.
mickXfan 10 months ago
I just like to know where the limit is? My nephews say themselves that the occasional correcting spank was good for them, they were bastards, they couldn't even play PS together without smashing each others brains in with the controllers. And its not because they were spanked, I never got spanked and me and my sister could gauge each others eyes out too when we were little. Sure its better to not spank but all my nephews are perfectly fine and who am I or you to interfere with their parenting?
philateliceun 10 months ago
@philateliceun @philateliceun And to come back to my question at the beginning of the comment, what is the limit? Is giving your child a tap on the back of his head when he said something like fuck corporal punishment? Is grabbing him by the arm a little too hard inflicting pain? You wanna send parents to jail who slap their children on the back of their head? I knew a guy once who said to his father in a rage "O yeah hit me then you pussy" and his father did. Biggest lesson of his life.
philateliceun 10 months ago
@KelleyGaither2000 Perhaps i shouldn't have brought up whether your mind would be changed because you are quite obviously one of the few sane and reasonable people on the internet. However my point was that children understand language and reason and because of this violence, no matter how you view corporal punishment, it is not a good way to handle children. Straightdope offered well reasoned arguments backed up by several references and has pushed me off the fence.
Andjealous 10 months ago
@KelleyGaither2000 I really hate to do this because you seem like a nice person but you just compared children to horses. Horses don't understand language or reason. For the sake of argument if it were shown to you that in most cases this form of punishment was damaging how would this affect your opinion?
Andjealous 10 months ago
@KelleyGaither2000 If his facts are to be believed then this would make no difference theoretically. If corporeal punishment has a negative affect than it really doesn't matter what an individual thinks as it would be unwise to use. But all that aside, how is spanking not beating a child? To me the word beating means to hit with the intent to cause pain sometimes multiple times in a row. If you spank your children you are hitting them with something to cause pain.
Andjealous 10 months ago
@Andjealous I just noticed I wrote corporeal punishment lol
Andjealous 10 months ago
@KelleyGaither2000 What difference would it make?
Andjealous 10 months ago
I've known good parents who use corporal punishment and good parents who do not. While I wouldn't say there was one single reason why any of them have chosen their methods, I will say that those who successfully use corporal punishment seem to need to put forth less effort and do so. Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
As the physical punishment I received as a child biases me against physically punishing children and my own only child was miscarried, I have trouble answering that objectively.
pandarsson 10 months ago
cont. That said, my personal account does not make up for studies made, however my abuse has never been reported in any kind of studies, so there may be more people in my position than these studies care to let on.
I do believe positive reinforcement does do good for the child, there needs to be something that tells them they are doing something wrong. Children need to learn there are things that are unacceptable. Physical punishment should be the last thing to use.
NikiPaprika 10 months ago
I realise I should look at with without bias, however I keep hearing "more likely".
I was spanked as a child, and I am very well behaved, unselfish, care a lot for others and I am currently at uni doing what I've always wanted to. However, I suffer from an anxiety disorder, which was brought on by being emotionally and physically abused by kids who were not punished by their parents and no respect for authorities. They later grew up to become criminals.
Am I missing something here?
NikiPaprika 10 months ago
My sister spanks her kids, I get better better behaviour out of them easier and more consistently by simply communicating effectively and justly with them as their guardian and point of authority when they are in my care. I never yell. They know I never will If they misbehave I make them tell me what they just did, aloud, to me. And then tell me if they think honestly that was good or bad, then doll out apt non-corporal penalties
I see my sister hitting and spanking out of sheer lazyness.
GraeHall 10 months ago
@GraeHall yes what you said is true and i find it intelligent and refreshing but again they aren't your kids. when they are your kids we are talking about then everything changes because you love your kids more and are more passionate about them doing the right thing. Spanking was always bad to me until i had my own kids then i understood why others implement that and why also the bible says "spare the rod, spoil the child"
smilez4u28 2 months ago
Faved! You are right on the money here, sir!
Cheers,
Laurel
YeOldeHeretic 10 months ago
Physical punishment is not so bad, except for a few children who are obedient. Bringing up children in liberalism has a negative effect. So-called "juvenal justice" is lobbyed by sionists.
ilya403 10 months ago
I use spanking and resent the hell out of government and do gooders who seem to think they know my kids better than me. I will not stop rasing my kids the way I think is best based on what works for other kids. Quite frankly i see kids all the time who have never been spanked and they are the worst disaplined children arround.
mrfrednoname 11 months ago
I do find it funny everyone is against shaking a child but few are against spanking........ I can see the Public Service Announcements now "Never! shake your baby, spank it!"
RB13240 11 months ago
When in reality, a study done my Drs. Jennifer Lansford and Ken Dodge found that not spanking your kids turns out to have no effect what so ever. if you are spanking them correctly and out of love not anger. But if you do spank your children there is a greater chance that they will learn respect and turn out better! SO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.
nicgep 11 months ago
spanking is not slapping someone in the face as most of your photos showed or assaulting anyone! An assault it out of anger and is considered abuse. Some people spank out of anger and yes, that is wrong, but spanking as a correctional action is not abuse. There is a difference between spanking and abuse, spanking is a light tap on the butt ox to let the child know that they are in the wrong. Where is your proof that kids that are spanked are worse off? the rest is continued in another post...
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hellohellohello3265 11 months ago
I was spanked by my mother when I was younger. Long story short, it led to abuse of me and my brother by her. It got to the pont where DCFS was called in. I went to counseling and a doctor where I was diagnosed with clinical depression. I have very little friends, I'm socially awkward, I'vee been in abusive relationships, my brother acts out, and it's all due to my mother having the power of a "spanking" go to her head until eventually I was put in the ICU due to abuse. his needs to be stopped.
HarryPotterismyhome 11 months ago
@HarryPotterismyhome I am not your mother so stop projecting her onto me.
mrfrednoname 11 months ago
Bah, I'm not sure. Yeah, I don't think systematic spanking can replace education, and is likely damaging to the child. However, enacting a law which doesn't allow parents ANY corporal discipline over their children would put alot of good parents in jail.
Children are 'humans in training', we are all still very much animals. Sometimes there is nothing so clear as pain inflicted from a dominant power. Regardless of situational 'power'. I think some children need this humbling experience.
Grayto 11 months ago
VON HELTON LOVES PICS OF 13YR OLDS....sry caps..
the7thwreck 11 months ago
Wow. I ran away from home as a child because I recieved spankings. My dad took off my pants and underwear, rubbed my butt with baby oil and smacked away with various tools (hand, brush, paddle, wood). Then he rubbed it with sand paper. Don't hit your kids. I'm still scarred with the memories.
AwesomeBanana912 11 months ago
My sister was the only one sane enough to spank me, and she was the only one I minded.
rabbitlove4ever 1 year ago
@rabbitlove4ever sane is not the word...
DevilWomanCake 11 months ago
Gah, the stupidity from the spanking apologist comments, it burns!
DevilWomanCake 1 year ago
Spanking is a difficult issue. It is not NECESSARY. It is a tool for control freak parents to keep their children in line.
I was spanked for almost everything when I was young, even harmless accidents. I never got in trouble in school and was always respectful to adults and my peers.
However when I turned 16 I finally snapped when my father trashed my room for forgetting to wait for him after school instead of taking the school bus. (cont)
Necroshe 1 year ago
@Necroshe (cont) I kicked his ass so hard I had to call an ambulance to pick him up and I have never talked to him since. I went to go live with my mom and he calls me several times a day. It has been 3 years. I'm not planning on attending his funeral.
Necroshe 1 year ago
I was spanked as a child, and I think my parents were right in doing so. You can't reason with a toddler or child, therefore you have to have other methods to show them that what they did is not right. Spanking does not leave any permanent scars. It is just a small sting telling them not to do that action again. Without spanking, many kids grow up being spoiled brats who don't know the difference between right and wrong because their parents thought that they were able to reason with a toddler.
Daniel39363 1 year ago