many aircrafts that were shot down in this video are Fw-190 butcher birds!P-51 is meant for high altitude and a shot in engine could blow the aircraft! USAF suffered heavy losses during ground attacks!
Ok for one everyone relax. Hartmann was a great fighter pilot and smart one too. He never took any ourageous risks that weren't required. He flew the Bf109 though great it was obsolete towards the end of the war. especially 1945. Its not the plane. Its the pilot in the plane. Yes in '39-'43 the russian planes weren't great. After the Yak3 came in the Russains had an equallizer. I believe he would've shot down even more with the Fw190. Yes he shot down 7 P51s but not in 1 dogfight or even 1 day.
Hartmann was truly the finest of the finest in the skies over Europe...but humble as well...he regarded the ill fated Joachim Marseilles as an even greater ace since he believed that even though Marseilles hadn't scored the same number of kills, he still had to fight against aircraft that were superior in performance to the Russian Ilyushins, Stormovks and Polyakovs. The two pilots had diametrically opposed strategies: Hartmann snuck up undetected if he could...Marseilles just waded in there
I disagree on the part of Hartmann fighting against inferior planes. The latest russian warbirds were great, IL2 was a flying tank.. since 1943 russian fighter planes were better performers than the Bf109-G. Instead Marseille had to fight against Spitfires V, P40s and Hurricanes... inferior planes compared to his Bf109-F.
Marseille was a hothead... in his first missions nobody wanted him as a wingman since he was egocentric. Of course his fate was easily predictable.
why all americans come here and say:Hartmann is not a good fighter.Our pilots were twice better than him.american pilots shot down germans after they outnumbered them like locusts.in equal conditions usaf could have no chance againts lutwaffe.btw im neither german-italian nor american.the fact is they didnt fight in equal terms againts allies air forces.
american pilots were crap.if you dont respect german pilots you dont respect aviation.they have ruled the skies for 6 years.and they fought againts 10:1.they lost the BoB cos their Commanders were full of crap.they tried to attack civil targets and 109 had very short range.this is the only reason they lost the BoB.after Bob.Luftwaffe lost its superiority over skies.but even outnumbered 10:1 by allies they could still shooting down enemies.so shut your fucking mouth off and respect them.
Ofocurse Erich hartman has been really a great pilot of Luftwaffe. But on same floor we must consider the german pilot hans Rüdel ,the italians Emanuele Buscaglia (a real nightmare for British Royal Air Force and British Royal Navy), Ettore Muti (maybe the most brave heart pilot of all II W.W.),Adrino Visconti and the japanese Saburo Sakai.
@mprosst Lies,the Luftwaffe had, at least in theory, a very stringent approval process for the confirmation of aerial victories.Without a witness, a Luftwaffe fighter pilot had no chance to have his victory claim confirmed. Such a claim, even if filed, would not pass beyond group level.
@mprosst The final destruction or explosion of an enemy aircraft in the air, or bail-out of the pilot, had to be observed either on gun-camera film or by at least one other human witness. The witness could be the German pilot's wingman, another in the squadron, or an observer on the ground.
@DarkBlitzkrieg46 if there was some smoke from the plain (even light) or leaking fuel germans COUNTED it as an air victory, and ussr pilots counted victory ONLY if the enemy plane was on the ground (crashed) or exploded
@DarkBlitzkrieg46.. Not exactly. The german air force were over claiming 3-1 in the battle of briton and thought the whole thing would be over in 4 days! It would be reasonable therefore to suggest that a very large number of wingmen suffered with an acute numerical disorder and the surveillance film had one or two (or 3) problems. Hartmann came to prominence just as the germans were losing in every battle and became a useful idiot in their highly transparent propaganda campaign.
All of you "to young to know fucks" don't realise that this however good pilot was not so great. He was flying a superior plane having better expierience than his opponents. In most cases it was a fight of a student against a newborn. If you think your'e victorious in that kind of fight youre just a dumbass. Think about polish 303 pilots in Battle of Britain in Hurricanes (far worse than Bf109) being a fear to all luftwaffe. Meet me in IL2 sturmovik to show how fragile you really are you fucks!
The more you read into WW2 you realise just how much better the Germans were than every other nation. The Germans forces of WW2 are what all of todays armies are based on.
@fallschirmjager0000... Don't you mean they had ten years head start on every other peaceful nation having disbelieved another german world war could start so shortly after the previous one? Why aren't you writing in german... still trying to gain vague credibility for german atrocities via this propaganda based nonsense or worried nobody in the real world would understand.
oh no,all allied nations had many years head start on Germany after WWI. Germany was militarily restricted by the allies but yet still managed to rebuild its military to be the best in the world. The allies could have stopped them but chose not to. Lol, propaganda based nonsense?, look whose talking. Its well known Germany had the best military and many of their technologies were taken by the allies as a basis for many of todays weapons (can list if u want). Sorry I hurt your ego
@fallschirmjager0000... "read a book and educate yourself" Why don't you take a look at the net result of the 1930s nazi "stars" from the past... embarrassing isn't it. For your information I don't believe anything I read unlike you and your forefathers.
@orwashepushed lol, trying to change the subject. oh dear me, still waiting for you to answer my first few comments. what does Nazi German education have to do with anything? you must be interested in this sort of thing, im into the military side of things not social issues
@fallschirmjager0000 "what does nazi german education have to do with anything?" You're obviously brainwashed and avoiding the inconvenient truth. The krauts were out gunned, out classed and out manoeuvred and hideously humiliated twice in the last century. Its also pointless trolling my channel in vain attempt at winning an argument unless you wish me to look at yours. I expect that will be filled with nazi sycophants, paranoid schizophrenics and hapless misfits who can't get a girl.
@orwashepushed lol, exactly, you never respond to my comments because mine are full of facts unlike your brainwashed crap. You have no comebacks. The inconvenient truth for you is that it took the entire world 6 long years to beat Germany. Germany led the world in military technology and was decades ahead of anyone else. Dont be jelous, they were just better than your country. chimp loving virgins dont know much about war, so I suggest you dont talk, no one wants to hear your shit
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@orwashepushed dont get angry just because my views on your lame rock music crap are correct. Go write some music and think you'll be the next big thing...that should keep you happy.
@fallschirmjager0000"what does nazi german education have to do with anything" You're obviously brainwashed and avoiding the inconvenient truth. The krauts were out gunned, out classed and out manoeuvred and hideously humiliated twice in the last century. Its also pointless trolling my channel in vain attempt at winning an argument unless you wish me to look at yours. I expect that will be filled with nazi sycophants, paranoid schizophrenics and hapless misfits who can't get a girl (reposted)
In the quiet memory To the unknown fighter pilots To the single fighters among them, to the never called gang airmen, to the association leaders. To the "black men" Of ground crew, without them an application this fighter pilot not at all it would have been possible. warbirds-power.de
..in fact based on opposition and aircraft vs aircraft I would argue that two of the greatest aces of all time are Hiroyoshi Nishizawa and Tetsuzo Iwamoto of Japan who wiped the skys clear of superior well equipped American fighters in lightly armored, poorly maintained and lightly armed arguably out dated A6M zero's, which given the hammering they were taking were probably far from in optimal condition, two fucking top class pilots
Who knows for sure, to say Erich Hartmann was the greatest fighter ace is arguable, to say he has the most kills IS true but look at the opposition, undertrained, soviet cannon fodder sent to fight under a quantity is better than quality tactic and there are multitudes of massive kill ratio German aces but ALL from the eastern front and for this reason I credit Hans-Joachim Marseille as the Greatest ace of them all, his kills are all spits, hurricanes and p-40's, respected fighters and pilots
@PangeaSpreads When Hartmann went into combat (from 1943 onwards) the time of russian canon fodder was over. By this time the soviets had a sound training and top quality planes like their migs and laggs.
Hartmann was simply the best. Rudel a close second. Hollywood is too anti-germanic to produce such a movie but will make a fairy tale fantasy film about the Tuskeegee airmen.
Erich hartmann describes being a pow after the war "The first thing the Russians did was to separate the German women and girls from the men. What followed was a brutal orgy of rape and debauchery by Red Army soldiers. When the greatly outnumbered Americans tried to intervene, the Russians charged towards them firing into the air and threatening to kill them if they interfered. The raping continued throughout the night"
One point that seems to be missed here was that German and Japanese pilots were flown to their deaths, while experiences Allied pilots were rotated out to train the newer pilots. This was one of the major deciding factors in the air war.
Much of you in here talk a lot of BS. The germans had over a dozen pilots that scored over 100 kills. The allied and the soviets had none... Nuff said.
I read once he was able to shoot an ennemy down with only about 10 or 12 bullets (not even a second of fire), by aiming directly at the ennemy pilot. Wow... Don't mess with the guy, Yvan...
Hartman had one other tactic that worked well. He attacked when he had an advantage. His trainer, who was very good ace too, taught him to do that. It was not melee. Meleeing will get a fighter killed, because he cannot maintain his SA. Hartman survived. I think that is incredible.
I do not understand why you chose to compare on these terms: Germans forced to fly every flyable hour with practically no rest vs. Americans who flew for 250hr and then were forced to go home! Bong managed to get himself on the second tour becasue he hated the war bond sales tour AAF made him go on! I see it as a blessing: You fly your hours and then get ot hell out of the hell hole!
they fly many hours but still they were not shot down by their allies counterpart which at that time overwhelm them in numbers and more better equip...still they scored and kill....thats what an FIGHTER ACE like:)
Robert S. Johnson wrote in his book "Thunderbolt" about his feelings about and for german pilots. As his exploits state, by the end of the war, 56th squadron was baggi'n 10 germans for the loss of 1 american.
Majority of the late war loses on the american side were due to fak or acidents.
With that ratio I would never wanted to be in the german planes.
I don't wish to belittle the mans achievements. But fighting in the East he wasn't coming up against Typhoons, P51,s, Spitfires, Thunderbolts etc. On the Western front every time the Luftwaffe attacked the Allied bombers they were bounced from above. The Allies in the West had control of the sky's by 1945 and for Hitler it was only a matter of time.
@DarkBlitzkrieg46 Lol The main reason he got so many kills was the Sturmovik (Main Soviet Plane) Flew in B17 Formations and didn't do any Evasive Manouvers and he was a Master at Stalk & Ambush tactics and Some Soviet Planes didn't have Proper aimers they were Drawn on the winshield. Soviets were Horrible. Yanks were good. But Erich got to 352 Kills. because of Soviets Stupid Formation Ideas. and he was Pure Talent. German Had the worlds best ace.
@DarkBlitzkrieg46 Yes they were just like the P-47Thunder-bolt but his favourite tactic was to get really close. and fire away. so he didn't waste bullets but it was hazardious becuase of the enemy plane parts smashing into him.
@DarkBlitzkrieg46 This is true and false ,good german pilots had to fight till their death ,and a lot of good allied pilots were to go back to USA to train a new generation of pilots ,so .... what if ....?
But I do think german great aces deserved respect :)
@ex59neo53 same to german pilots.they had to go train rookies as well.respect? read about hartmanns sortie in hungary. he was between russian and usa planes. he shoot down an enemy and russians started to fight americans hahahahaahah. no one saw him.i dont respect your noobs that shoot cows on fields and lame trains.you had no aces.only greedy gangsters
@MrWilhelm76 In time of war ,u just do everything u can to survive ,and i'm sure if u were a gunner in a B 17 surrounded by FW 190s you(d be shiting in ur pants like most of us all .
@DarkBlitzkrieg46 lol...eric was flying from begining of the war....koshedub-from 1943 to 1945....eric was winning at about 50 victories for year...and koshedub has 110 victorieis-it about 50 victories a year...so we see that they were both cool....just eric has a record....so your coment is idiotisly.....many soviet pilots didnt have much wins because of bad jets in begining and they were crushing germanies itself....dieying together....you maybe kidding...
@forgotten6411 bad jets you said? wtf are you talking about soviet didn't used jets in WWII! idiot! Hartman never used the ME 262 jet either so his kills were due to his skills and the awesome 109 plane. The German pilots were superior to the Soviet pilots not just in planes but in skills too. The Soviets won thanks to Hitler stupidity not because they were stronger. If it wasn't for the 2 front war the Soviets would had been annihilated.
@forgotten6411 Bull. Erich Hartmann came to the Eastern Front in 1942 as a freshly trainded fighter pilot. In his first year he 'only' shot down 20 planes. His big breakthrough came during the battle of Kursk. The reason why the Germans had such high scores compared to other nations were that they were constantly in action, and the weak ones died quickly, while the talented "Experten" racked up a lot of kills.
@ericvdp1994 the legendary fighter ace, Major. Hartmann survived the war and was reunited with his family. He managed to served in Federal Luftwaffe in West Germany during the late 1950s and early 70s. The Major died in 1993, at 71.. one of my favorite aviation pilots.
his success is ashtonishing, you can say that german aces had an advantage because once they entered the war they would not leave it in 1 piece, while allies rotated. you can also claim that his opponents were inferior, but he still had 51 more kill than the 2nd ace of the war. his slow start and amazing record is comparable to that of the Red Baron, who was without the doubt the best pilot of WWI. it is absolutely remarkable to stay alive and stay concentrated for so long, over and over again.
the germans were very egual to the brits.As time & attrition went on the Luftwaffe deteriorated,do to not enough training..Some Germans who were lucky went on to huge wins..If you look germans had the best & probaly were the best,just not the numbers.I am proud of my ancestors
Es geht sich nicht darum gegen wen Bubi gefochten hat,sondern wie.Das was er gemacht hat war Nahkampf wie er nur sein kann.Du solltest mal das Buch über ihn lesen.Ausserdem hat er sehr wohl auch Mustang etc von Amerikanern abgeschossen...Also von wegen High tech...
It`s rather amusing reading the "anti-Hartmann" remarks. It`s blatant prejudice and little logic. Why not give a brilliant ace the respect he deserves? His contemporary foes respected his skills, and rightly so. But I note the horde of armchair- "experts", making derogatory remarks about both Hartmann and the Russian Air Force. After the initial disaster, the Russians came back with typical tenacity and brilliant planes like the Yak 9 and the Lavochkin LA-7. "Easy meat"? Wake up, guys!
@orwashepushed what? he did shoot down some allied aircraft. i dont doubt his kills he is the best fighter ace in history and was only 20 y/o. I think you're trying to take away from what he did.
@orwashepushed Well, we'll never know how he would have done on the western front but what he did on the eastern front was amazing i'd like to see you have over 352 victories in a old ww2 fighter. Actually germany was building far superior aircraft than the allies but it was alittle to late in mass producing and using them in battle.
@Palmetto4Liberty.. I couldn't agree more... Hartmann never faced the elite allied fighter pilots so it is fair to say we will never know. The MiG 3 was an underpowered lightly armoured aircraft and incomparable with the Bf 109 or the "old ww2 fighter" as you so describe. Hartmann was also shot down at least 16 times and possibly 30 times although he claimed it was the damage caused from kill debris... He must have believed his own propaganda! Jet aircraft had little impact in WWII...
@orwashepushed because they were produced to late in the war. i said "old ww2 fighter" because it was much harder than todays heat seeking missles and such today to shoot down an enemy. . . id like too see how many people would make it with that many kills. though you're wrong he did go up against a few allied P-51's ill state this from (wiki) in my next post so atleast 8 P-51's.
@orwashepushed While flying "top cover" for another Schwarm, Hartmann attacked a flight of four P-51s over Bucharest, Romania, downing two, while the other two P-51s fell victim to his fellow pilots.[23] On 1 June 1944, Hartmann shot down four P-51s in a single mission over the Ploieşti oil fields.[24] Later that month, during his fifth combat with American pilots, he shot down two more P-51s before being forced to bail out, when eight other P-51s ran his Messerschmitt out of fuel
@Palmetto4Liberty.. The whole thing is a hoax my friend and you, for what ever reason seem able to trust old nazi propaganda. How is possible to believe than 40 german aces shot down 6.940 soviet airplanes and only one german ace was killed in action? The german air force over claimed 3-1 in the battle of briton to their embarrassment! How can a retreating army verify enemy air losses? "Forced to bail out when eight other P-51s ran his Messerschmitt out of fuel" Oh please, this is silly.
@orwashepushed lol nazi propaganda? theres tons of US propaganda throughout ww2 nazi or not they were the best military of the time. Believe what you want you have no way to dissprove what he done and by most aircraft historians they will go by his word over yours. thumbs up
@Palmetto4Liberty .... The russians could only corroborate 80 kills in Hartmann's record... Do you think that more than 25% of the confirmed kills of any soviet ace can be corroborated with the losses recorded in the available luftwaffe files? Answer please !!!!!
Your premise is correct but a bit over simplified. Hartmann was not exactly facing the rickity Ratas of the early stage of the war. The red airforce had by his time become a formidable fighting force with experienced and talented pilots who regularly made their kills. He most definitly faced great fighting planes in his time. His success I would argue, was born from his style of fighting which was to get in fast and close and fire when a vital hit is all but impossible to miss.
@orwashepushed Superior aircraft? The FW190D was a match for any allied aircraft at the time and the Ta-152 would have been to had it been introduced earlier. The only disadvantage the Luftwaffe had was lack of quality pilots and numbers.
@orwashepushed I'm sorry to burst your bubble mate, but Erich was also outstationed in the West, where he managed to "kill" approximately 50 British and/or American fighters. There's really no doubt that he is a great ace, and for fuck sake even though he might have fought against inferior forces, it is still amazing to get over 300 kills - There's no excuse to claim otherwise. Also, the Luftwaffe was by all means technologically superior and superior by means of training - Continued
@MuchoFunkie "burst your bubble", "kill 50 british fighters", "luftwaffe was by all means technologically superior"... Oh dear, time for a history lesson....
@orwashepushed Sorry, but you have obviously no idea what you are talking about. Hartmann shot down 4 Mustangs in a 4v1 encounter within 2 minutes. In another occasion, when he was attacked by 8 Mustangs from above, he send his wingman home, to make sure he survives and did go into the 8v1. He couldnt make a kill, but he survived. I did talk to several american fighter pilots, no one ever doubted Hartmann was by far the best.
@boratfan6492 the germans were very egual to the brits.As time & attrition went on the Luftwaffe deteriorated,do to not enough training..Some Germans who were lucky went on to huge wins..If you look germans had the best & probaly were the best,just not the numbers.I am proud of my ancesters
@nagmashot Yeah, I've done some more reading and apparently he shot down several P-51s. Sorry, my bad ... I don't know why I thought he got only one. I blame it on old age. ;)
@orwashepushed mmmhmm...this is only half true. dont forget that around 1943 the most aces of the luftwaffe were dead. it is much harder to stand against an allied overpower as to do a so-called high tech dogfight. in every way,to claim 352 airwins is much more than any other allied pilot got. for example,the us air force gave the purple heart to the us pilots after 5 (!) airwins. btw a lot of his wins are historical proved,google or some books about him would help.
1/3 of his east front victorys over obsolete russian aircraft, were US land lease delivered american US aircraft, over 90 of his air victorys were against Mustang, Aircobra, Havco(Boston), Maurader! Soviets in P-39s scored the highest individual kill totals of any pilot ever to fly a U.S. aircraft! US propaganda that soviet airfocre was less powerfull. Next to that fact Germany had the hardest scorring system of all ww2 airforces with the strictes ruels.
@nagmashot.. Nothing could match german propaganda in 1943 especially insofar as the "action comic heroes" that were propagated by the losing nazi high command who were pathological liars without any grip on reality.
"Hardest scoring system", not exactly. The german "aces" were exaggerating 3-1 in the battle of briton and believed the fight would be over in four days, yes really, didn't they have a shock !! The U boat commanders suffered with similar amnesia in their bid to gain favouritism
The only real problem about the Battle of Britain was that..
1st: ...the Germans didn't believe that the British had radar units. (which only operated in a totally different frequency spectrum than the German one, so they didn't detect it)
2nd: ...the code of the German Enigma cipher machine has been cracked - which was impossible to believe by German leadership.
On which German propaganda do you refer? They had the most honest one during WW2.(Wehrmachtsbericht)
@hatebreederish..The only real problem the germans had in the battle of briton was they faced an organised air force, you acknowledge that in the points you make - Hartmann never faced this technology.... nazi propaganda was spectacularly exposed throughout this period with regard to the wild over claiming at a rate of 3-1. "honest nazi propaganda", you've lost me completely, I have no idea what you are talking about.
@orwashepushed LOL you fucking idiot by 1943 the soviet air force was turning out great fighters. you're brainwashed by anglo-american propaganda dumbed down for idiots like you
many aircrafts that were shot down in this video are Fw-190 butcher birds!P-51 is meant for high altitude and a shot in engine could blow the aircraft! USAF suffered heavy losses during ground attacks!
airwolf232 5 hours ago
i was his wing man back then
he was the best guy i ever flew with. he was kinda mad.
gringonesse 18 hours ago
probably never a P-51 or a spitfire crossed his path.........
99rsk 1 day ago
@99rsk 1.st june 1944 over Ploestie oilfield:: 4 p51 (best plane of ww2) IN A SINGLE MISSION!
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@99rsk 1.st june 1944 over Ploestie oilfield:: 4 p51 (best plane of ww2) IN A SINGLE MISSION!
MrBellheim 23 hours ago
@99rsk Shure,on 1.6.1944 he shot down 4 P51 over ploesti oilfields in a single mission!!!!!!
(P51= best fighter of WW2) Greets from GMY!
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Ok for one everyone relax. Hartmann was a great fighter pilot and smart one too. He never took any ourageous risks that weren't required. He flew the Bf109 though great it was obsolete towards the end of the war. especially 1945. Its not the plane. Its the pilot in the plane. Yes in '39-'43 the russian planes weren't great. After the Yak3 came in the Russains had an equallizer. I believe he would've shot down even more with the Fw190. Yes he shot down 7 P51s but not in 1 dogfight or even 1 day.
hcpsspearsnb 4 days ago
Hartmann was truly the finest of the finest in the skies over Europe...but humble as well...he regarded the ill fated Joachim Marseilles as an even greater ace since he believed that even though Marseilles hadn't scored the same number of kills, he still had to fight against aircraft that were superior in performance to the Russian Ilyushins, Stormovks and Polyakovs. The two pilots had diametrically opposed strategies: Hartmann snuck up undetected if he could...Marseilles just waded in there
dasUBootVII 1 week ago
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I disagree on the part of Hartmann fighting against inferior planes. The latest russian warbirds were great, IL2 was a flying tank.. since 1943 russian fighter planes were better performers than the Bf109-G. Instead Marseille had to fight against Spitfires V, P40s and Hurricanes... inferior planes compared to his Bf109-F.
Marseille was a hothead... in his first missions nobody wanted him as a wingman since he was egocentric. Of course his fate was easily predictable.
6SManu 2 days ago
German pilots was the best of history! What talk about the Red Baron?
Brazilian of German Descents:Egon Albreitch, was a amazing pilot!
Great Pilot! The wrong side won! Rise again, Germany!
beratta1000 1 week ago 3
why all americans come here and say:Hartmann is not a good fighter.Our pilots were twice better than him.american pilots shot down germans after they outnumbered them like locusts.in equal conditions usaf could have no chance againts lutwaffe.btw im neither german-italian nor american.the fact is they didnt fight in equal terms againts allies air forces.
sahtekar1000 1 week ago
american pilots were crap.if you dont respect german pilots you dont respect aviation.they have ruled the skies for 6 years.and they fought againts 10:1.they lost the BoB cos their Commanders were full of crap.they tried to attack civil targets and 109 had very short range.this is the only reason they lost the BoB.after Bob.Luftwaffe lost its superiority over skies.but even outnumbered 10:1 by allies they could still shooting down enemies.so shut your fucking mouth off and respect them.
sahtekar1000 1 week ago
isn't ironic that Hollywood never made movies about that young fighter pilot ?
oh I see....Jews want us to demonise every single German from WWII !
armani87john 2 weeks ago 18
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Sad but true.......
It´s pathetic to think that every Single men fighting for germany in WW2 was a Nazi.
LukaZ0001 6 days ago
Some of the video is German planes getting shot down.
phillip4644 2 weeks ago
unglaubliche tapferkeit und loyalitaet an die luftwaffe.
ilganis 2 weeks ago
@ilganis ganz wahrlich
dasUBootVII 1 week ago
Wasnt this guy credited with shooting down 7 Americans P-51's in a single Dogfight?
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@starguard In 1944 he shot down 8 P-51's,4 in a single mission over the Ploieşti oil fields.
DarkBlitzkrieg46 2 weeks ago
Ofocurse Erich hartman has been really a great pilot of Luftwaffe. But on same floor we must consider the german pilot hans Rüdel ,the italians Emanuele Buscaglia (a real nightmare for British Royal Air Force and British Royal Navy), Ettore Muti (maybe the most brave heart pilot of all II W.W.),Adrino Visconti and the japanese Saburo Sakai.
Ubaldo421 2 weeks ago
8:26 those are Fw-wulfs being shot down, show the damn P-51s and typhoons on fire!! not the German Elite!!
HybodusStudios 2 weeks ago
352? okay, but the didn't admit that germans counted air victory (kill) even if the pilot just hit in enemy plane a few bullets and it didn't fall
mprosst 2 weeks ago
@mprosst Lies,the Luftwaffe had, at least in theory, a very stringent approval process for the confirmation of aerial victories.Without a witness, a Luftwaffe fighter pilot had no chance to have his victory claim confirmed. Such a claim, even if filed, would not pass beyond group level.
DarkBlitzkrieg46 2 weeks ago
@mprosst The final destruction or explosion of an enemy aircraft in the air, or bail-out of the pilot, had to be observed either on gun-camera film or by at least one other human witness. The witness could be the German pilot's wingman, another in the squadron, or an observer on the ground.
DarkBlitzkrieg46 2 weeks ago
@DarkBlitzkrieg46 if there was some smoke from the plain (even light) or leaking fuel germans COUNTED it as an air victory, and ussr pilots counted victory ONLY if the enemy plane was on the ground (crashed) or exploded
mprosst 2 weeks ago
@mprosst that is the reason why MrPHAELAN is a idiot.
USSWISCONSIN64 2 weeks ago
@DarkBlitzkrieg46.. Not exactly. The german air force were over claiming 3-1 in the battle of briton and thought the whole thing would be over in 4 days! It would be reasonable therefore to suggest that a very large number of wingmen suffered with an acute numerical disorder and the surveillance film had one or two (or 3) problems. Hartmann came to prominence just as the germans were losing in every battle and became a useful idiot in their highly transparent propaganda campaign.
orwashepushed 2 weeks ago
@mprosst what a load of rubbish
MrPHAELAN 2 weeks ago
All of you "to young to know fucks" don't realise that this however good pilot was not so great. He was flying a superior plane having better expierience than his opponents. In most cases it was a fight of a student against a newborn. If you think your'e victorious in that kind of fight youre just a dumbass. Think about polish 303 pilots in Battle of Britain in Hurricanes (far worse than Bf109) being a fear to all luftwaffe. Meet me in IL2 sturmovik to show how fragile you really are you fucks!
IntruderPL2 3 weeks ago
lol when he first say his name it sounds like eric cartman xD
1995DaMa 3 weeks ago
@1995DaMa it seems eric arschmann has three balls the old egg bah
Krawum1 3 weeks ago
The more you read into WW2 you realise just how much better the Germans were than every other nation. The Germans forces of WW2 are what all of todays armies are based on.
fallschirmjager0000 3 weeks ago
@fallschirmjager0000... Don't you mean they had ten years head start on every other peaceful nation having disbelieved another german world war could start so shortly after the previous one? Why aren't you writing in german... still trying to gain vague credibility for german atrocities via this propaganda based nonsense or worried nobody in the real world would understand.
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fallschirmjager0000 3 weeks ago
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oh no,all allied nations had many years head start on Germany after WWI. Germany was militarily restricted by the allies but yet still managed to rebuild its military to be the best in the world. The allies could have stopped them but chose not to. Lol, propaganda based nonsense?, look whose talking. Its well known Germany had the best military and many of their technologies were taken by the allies as a basis for many of todays weapons (can list if u want). Sorry I hurt your ego
fallschirmjager0000 3 weeks ago
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fallschirmjager0000 3 weeks ago
@fallschirmjager0000... "read a book and educate yourself" Why don't you take a look at the net result of the 1930s nazi "stars" from the past... embarrassing isn't it. For your information I don't believe anything I read unlike you and your forefathers.
youtube.com/watch?v=s4_j4c7Bop0
orwashepushed 3 weeks ago
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fallschirmjager0000 3 weeks ago
@fallschirmjager0000.. I've read all about nazi german education, take a look at this short film, its all here....
youtube.com/watch?v=j8UlviPpTzs
orwashepushed 3 weeks ago
@orwashepushed lol, trying to change the subject. oh dear me, still waiting for you to answer my first few comments. what does Nazi German education have to do with anything? you must be interested in this sort of thing, im into the military side of things not social issues
fallschirmjager0000 3 weeks ago
@fallschirmjager0000 "what does nazi german education have to do with anything?" You're obviously brainwashed and avoiding the inconvenient truth. The krauts were out gunned, out classed and out manoeuvred and hideously humiliated twice in the last century. Its also pointless trolling my channel in vain attempt at winning an argument unless you wish me to look at yours. I expect that will be filled with nazi sycophants, paranoid schizophrenics and hapless misfits who can't get a girl.
orwashepushed 2 weeks ago
@orwashepushed lol, exactly, you never respond to my comments because mine are full of facts unlike your brainwashed crap. You have no comebacks. The inconvenient truth for you is that it took the entire world 6 long years to beat Germany. Germany led the world in military technology and was decades ahead of anyone else. Dont be jelous, they were just better than your country. chimp loving virgins dont know much about war, so I suggest you dont talk, no one wants to hear your shit
fallschirmjager0000 2 weeks ago
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@orwashepushed dont get angry just because my views on your lame rock music crap are correct. Go write some music and think you'll be the next big thing...that should keep you happy.
fallschirmjager0000 2 weeks ago
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@fallschirmjager0000"what does nazi german education have to do with anything" You're obviously brainwashed and avoiding the inconvenient truth. The krauts were out gunned, out classed and out manoeuvred and hideously humiliated twice in the last century. Its also pointless trolling my channel in vain attempt at winning an argument unless you wish me to look at yours. I expect that will be filled with nazi sycophants, paranoid schizophrenics and hapless misfits who can't get a girl (reposted)
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ColaWhiski 3 weeks ago
I didn't know that Hartmann shot down so many 190s... idiot who posted this.
FPSArizona 3 weeks ago
His best account is that he never lost a wing man.....despite 352 victories
FunkyDebob 3 weeks ago
The narrator sounds like the British actor Terence Longdon.
FredDude27 3 weeks ago
..in fact based on opposition and aircraft vs aircraft I would argue that two of the greatest aces of all time are Hiroyoshi Nishizawa and Tetsuzo Iwamoto of Japan who wiped the skys clear of superior well equipped American fighters in lightly armored, poorly maintained and lightly armed arguably out dated A6M zero's, which given the hammering they were taking were probably far from in optimal condition, two fucking top class pilots
PangeaSpreads 3 weeks ago
Who knows for sure, to say Erich Hartmann was the greatest fighter ace is arguable, to say he has the most kills IS true but look at the opposition, undertrained, soviet cannon fodder sent to fight under a quantity is better than quality tactic and there are multitudes of massive kill ratio German aces but ALL from the eastern front and for this reason I credit Hans-Joachim Marseille as the Greatest ace of them all, his kills are all spits, hurricanes and p-40's, respected fighters and pilots
PangeaSpreads 3 weeks ago
@PangeaSpreads When Hartmann went into combat (from 1943 onwards) the time of russian canon fodder was over. By this time the soviets had a sound training and top quality planes like their migs and laggs.
MrPHAELAN 3 weeks ago
Hartmann was simply the best. Rudel a close second. Hollywood is too anti-germanic to produce such a movie but will make a fairy tale fantasy film about the Tuskeegee airmen.
zorpit 3 weeks ago
a true pilot......a true hero.....
look after us mortals from the heaven above.....
kainheinrich 3 weeks ago
Why Holyhood dont do a movie about the 352 victories of Hartmann? The war its over...
PauloHirth 3 weeks ago
@PauloHirth because theyre too busy making movies of their black "aces".....
kainheinrich 3 weeks ago
@kainheinrich
Amen to that. What utter crap that shit is.
foughtwolf 3 weeks ago
the highest scoring ace of the allies have only kills of 62 and above that ace are hundreds japanese and german aces with 100+ to 300+ kills
Hellstromist 4 weeks ago
my hero and the hero of the german people
youngavaitor 4 weeks ago
Erich hartmann describes being a pow after the war "The first thing the Russians did was to separate the German women and girls from the men. What followed was a brutal orgy of rape and debauchery by Red Army soldiers. When the greatly outnumbered Americans tried to intervene, the Russians charged towards them firing into the air and threatening to kill them if they interfered. The raping continued throughout the night"
sultanpuppy26 1 month ago
even they were outnumbered and has a formidable opponent that is better equip...
they fought and scored...and no other allied pilot has able to stop and shot down them until they reach that aces of the aces SCORES>>>>
100+kills=german pilots
62 below=Allies pilots
40 below=US pilots
acefarbringer 1 month ago
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to all did you even know that the top 150+ fighter ace pilot in the world is all GERMANS
Erich "Bubi" Hartmann(ger)=352 (top ace of all time)
Hans-Joachim Marseille(ger)=158 (Destroyed most Western Allied aircraft.)best in west front:)
Heinz-Wolfgang Schnaufer(ger)=121 (top night fighter ace - all kills at night)
Ilmari Juutilainen(finland)=94(top ace on germany's allies)
Ivan Kozhedub=62 (Highest scoring Allied Ace of WWII)
Richard I. Bong=40 (Highest scoring U.S. Ace)LOL
acefarbringer 1 month ago
@eunoway well, in fact there were over a hundred german aces who shot down 100+ enemy planes each .....
frustriert 1 month ago
The best of the best , weapon of choice BF109 , Rest in peace
barbenH 1 month ago
One point that seems to be missed here was that German and Japanese pilots were flown to their deaths, while experiences Allied pilots were rotated out to train the newer pilots. This was one of the major deciding factors in the air war.
rpsmith221 1 month ago
He survived the War :D
Danox94 1 month ago
If you want the truth? Read Hartmanns own biography. "Blond Knight of Germany" you can buy it on amazon. Read and stop talking BS.......
landulf88 1 month ago
Much of you in here talk a lot of BS. The germans had over a dozen pilots that scored over 100 kills. The allied and the soviets had none... Nuff said.
landulf88 1 month ago
i think Hans Joachim Marseille was the best ww2 pilot, just read his biography
DesmosediciAlice 1 month ago
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to all did you even know that the top 150+ fighter ace pilot in the world is all GERMANS
Erich "Bubi" Hartmann(ger)=352 (top ace of all time)
Hans-Joachim Marseille(ger)=158 (Destroyed most Western Allied aircraft.)best in west front:)
Heinz-Wolfgang Schnaufer(ger)=121 (top night fighter ace - all kills at night)
Ilmari Juutilainen(finland)=94(top ace on germany's allies)
Ivan Kozhedub=62 (Highest scoring Allied Ace of WWII)
Richard I. Bong=40 (Highest scoring U.S. Ace)LOL
acefarbringer 1 month ago
@eunoway it is true,but RAF achiewed victory with a hundreads of US pilots flying on their side
zaostrog 1 month ago
I read once he was able to shoot an ennemy down with only about 10 or 12 bullets (not even a second of fire), by aiming directly at the ennemy pilot. Wow... Don't mess with the guy, Yvan...
1981Badfish 1 month ago
Erich Hartmann is a Legend.
TtimWh 1 month ago
Hartman had one other tactic that worked well. He attacked when he had an advantage. His trainer, who was very good ace too, taught him to do that. It was not melee. Meleeing will get a fighter killed, because he cannot maintain his SA. Hartman survived. I think that is incredible.
BemoanedPizza 1 month ago
@BemoanedPizza He's been very lucky too, because he got shot down 16 times, but never got wounded.
1981Badfish 1 month ago
@eunoway you got to be uninformed..only Me 109 was produced by number of 35 000
oand check how much bombers allies lost...without fighters or transports...
zaostrog 1 month ago
to all did you even know that the top 150+ fighter ace pilot in the world is all GERMANS
Erich "Bubi" Hartmann(ger)=352 (top ace of all time)
Hans-Joachim Marseille(ger)=158 (Destroyed most Western Allied aircraft.)best in west front:)
Heinz-Wolfgang Schnaufer(ger)=121 (top night fighter ace - all kills at night)
Ilmari Juutilainen(finland)=94(top ace on germany's allies)
Ivan Kozhedub=62 (Highest scoring Allied Ace of WWII)
Richard I. Bong=40 (Highest scoring U.S. Ace)LOL
acefarbringer 1 month ago
@acefarbringer
I do not understand why you chose to compare on these terms: Germans forced to fly every flyable hour with practically no rest vs. Americans who flew for 250hr and then were forced to go home! Bong managed to get himself on the second tour becasue he hated the war bond sales tour AAF made him go on! I see it as a blessing: You fly your hours and then get ot hell out of the hell hole!
hetmanbasza 1 month ago
@hetmanbasza
they fly many hours but still they were not shot down by their allies counterpart which at that time overwhelm them in numbers and more better equip...still they scored and kill....thats what an FIGHTER ACE like:)
acefarbringer 1 month ago
@acefarbringer
Robert S. Johnson wrote in his book "Thunderbolt" about his feelings about and for german pilots. As his exploits state, by the end of the war, 56th squadron was baggi'n 10 germans for the loss of 1 american.
Majority of the late war loses on the american side were due to fak or acidents.
With that ratio I would never wanted to be in the german planes.
hetmanbasza 1 month ago
I don't wish to belittle the mans achievements. But fighting in the East he wasn't coming up against Typhoons, P51,s, Spitfires, Thunderbolts etc. On the Western front every time the Luftwaffe attacked the Allied bombers they were bounced from above. The Allies in the West had control of the sky's by 1945 and for Hitler it was only a matter of time.
cley123 1 month ago
Erich, a great ace!!!
kulasec 1 month ago
I bet the geico pig has more kills.
916fanatic1 1 month ago
Greatest fighter ace? What is so great about killing people?
Cool2BCeltic 1 month ago
@Cool2BCeltic
If you kill enough people you get a medal :D Its worth it!
lukum55 1 month ago
but he was german, so fuck him...
hubertrailroadfan 1 month ago
Best fighter pilot in history,like it or not Yanks and Soviets.
DarkBlitzkrieg46 1 month ago 25
@DarkBlitzkrieg46 Lol The main reason he got so many kills was the Sturmovik (Main Soviet Plane) Flew in B17 Formations and didn't do any Evasive Manouvers and he was a Master at Stalk & Ambush tactics and Some Soviet Planes didn't have Proper aimers they were Drawn on the winshield. Soviets were Horrible. Yanks were good. But Erich got to 352 Kills. because of Soviets Stupid Formation Ideas. and he was Pure Talent. German Had the worlds best ace.
PriorVideos 1 month ago
@PriorVideos The Sturmovik was a hard to shot down plane the Germans called it the ''Concrete plane'',so he did had the skills.
DarkBlitzkrieg46 1 month ago
@DarkBlitzkrieg46 Yes they were just like the P-47Thunder-bolt but his favourite tactic was to get really close. and fire away. so he didn't waste bullets but it was hazardious becuase of the enemy plane parts smashing into him.
PriorVideos 1 month ago
@PriorVideos In 1944 he shot down 8 P-51's,4 in a single mission over the Ploieşti oil fields.
DarkBlitzkrieg46 1 month ago 2
@DarkBlitzkrieg46 This is true and false ,good german pilots had to fight till their death ,and a lot of good allied pilots were to go back to USA to train a new generation of pilots ,so .... what if ....?
But I do think german great aces deserved respect :)
ex59neo53 1 month ago
@ex59neo53 same to german pilots.they had to go train rookies as well.respect? read about hartmanns sortie in hungary. he was between russian and usa planes. he shoot down an enemy and russians started to fight americans hahahahaahah. no one saw him.i dont respect your noobs that shoot cows on fields and lame trains.you had no aces.only greedy gangsters
MrWilhelm76 1 month ago
@MrWilhelm76 In time of war ,u just do everything u can to survive ,and i'm sure if u were a gunner in a B 17 surrounded by FW 190s you(d be shiting in ur pants like most of us all .
ex59neo53 1 month ago
@DarkBlitzkrieg46
best in casualties LOL
acefarbringer 1 month ago
@DarkBlitzkrieg46
Ok, so you got #1. meanwhile back at the front the Americans and British score 98+% of the next 49 spots...
NEXT...
Indogyearsimdead 1 month ago
@DarkBlitzkrieg46
Krawum1 3 weeks ago
@DarkBlitzkrieg46: Nazi
Prs4ever111 3 weeks ago
@DarkBlitzkrieg46 lol...eric was flying from begining of the war....koshedub-from 1943 to 1945....eric was winning at about 50 victories for year...and koshedub has 110 victorieis-it about 50 victories a year...so we see that they were both cool....just eric has a record....so your coment is idiotisly.....many soviet pilots didnt have much wins because of bad jets in begining and they were crushing germanies itself....dieying together....you maybe kidding...
forgotten6411 2 weeks ago
@forgotten6411 bad jets you said? wtf are you talking about soviet didn't used jets in WWII! idiot! Hartman never used the ME 262 jet either so his kills were due to his skills and the awesome 109 plane. The German pilots were superior to the Soviet pilots not just in planes but in skills too. The Soviets won thanks to Hitler stupidity not because they were stronger. If it wasn't for the 2 front war the Soviets would had been annihilated.
DarkBlitzkrieg46 2 weeks ago
@forgotten6411 Bull. Erich Hartmann came to the Eastern Front in 1942 as a freshly trainded fighter pilot. In his first year he 'only' shot down 20 planes. His big breakthrough came during the battle of Kursk. The reason why the Germans had such high scores compared to other nations were that they were constantly in action, and the weak ones died quickly, while the talented "Experten" racked up a lot of kills.
Zajuts149 2 weeks ago 6
They should do a movie about this guy instead of a bunch of niggers. Too bad hollywood is jewish
kokaneegoldbeer 1 month ago
that is a shit load of planes... must have wore on his trigger finger.
the82spartans 1 month ago
88!!
Heil Hartmann!!!
jimmyxx3 1 month ago
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TheUnknownSkier 1 month ago
eric hartman.... ERIC CARTMAN?!
dalektaliban 1 month ago 2
@ericvdp1994 the legendary fighter ace, Major. Hartmann survived the war and was reunited with his family. He managed to served in Federal Luftwaffe in West Germany during the late 1950s and early 70s. The Major died in 1993, at 71.. one of my favorite aviation pilots.
ThunderHenshin32 1 month ago
his success is ashtonishing, you can say that german aces had an advantage because once they entered the war they would not leave it in 1 piece, while allies rotated. you can also claim that his opponents were inferior, but he still had 51 more kill than the 2nd ace of the war. his slow start and amazing record is comparable to that of the Red Baron, who was without the doubt the best pilot of WWI. it is absolutely remarkable to stay alive and stay concentrated for so long, over and over again.
Adriat1c 1 month ago
@Adriat1c
UDET was the best pilot in history
Red Baron was more experimented pilot and was the captain ,UDET was pure talent
Hartmann was a a killing masine ,more agresive that all pilots.
He diserve respect because germans fighters was inferior to other plains from 41-42 .
He is a the perfect pilot to have in your squadrom
VASIOOO 1 month ago
wazzup ? The Best pilots of every war are THE JEWS !!!
MrAdnan1979 1 month ago
He was actually an Oberst (Colonel), not a Major
T30K1LLR 1 month ago
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T30K1LLR 1 month ago
Give me a break eastern front and Russian tractors with wings.
Mozzarab 1 month ago 2
Eric Cartman
useruser606 2 months ago
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the germans were very egual to the brits.As time & attrition went on the Luftwaffe deteriorated,do to not enough training..Some Germans who were lucky went on to huge wins..If you look germans had the best & probaly were the best,just not the numbers.I am proud of my ancestors
reicheagle1942 2 months ago
the last top ace f the world
DanottiTR 2 months ago
Legend !
cryteeek 2 months ago
Erich "Bubi" Hartmann. Grand master of the sky. LEGEND in the land of legends. RIP.
kerjaauto2 2 months ago
@orwashepushed
Es geht sich nicht darum gegen wen Bubi gefochten hat,sondern wie.Das was er gemacht hat war Nahkampf wie er nur sein kann.Du solltest mal das Buch über ihn lesen.Ausserdem hat er sehr wohl auch Mustang etc von Amerikanern abgeschossen...Also von wegen High tech...
MegaDuesseldorfer 2 months ago
It`s rather amusing reading the "anti-Hartmann" remarks. It`s blatant prejudice and little logic. Why not give a brilliant ace the respect he deserves? His contemporary foes respected his skills, and rightly so. But I note the horde of armchair- "experts", making derogatory remarks about both Hartmann and the Russian Air Force. After the initial disaster, the Russians came back with typical tenacity and brilliant planes like the Yak 9 and the Lavochkin LA-7. "Easy meat"? Wake up, guys!
WillemJacobus1 3 months ago
the best of the best ...
Rest In Peace hero ...
GermanMilitaryPower 3 months ago
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Heil, mein Führer!
villada20 3 months ago
Hey Jack lol ur such an fool and all i can say pls fuck off ur self !!!!!
SuperTimebandit 3 months ago
Hans-Joachim Marseille would probably have passed Hartmanns score had he lived,
laurelbush 3 months ago
He was my English teacher's relative :DDD
RemussiP 3 months ago
I don't trust German statistics. They lie. I'm sure Hartmann shot down alot of planes but they cannot be verified. I've had sex with 423 hot chicks.
SoCalDualSport 3 months ago
Hey Jack,
just like i said ur useless and clueless,every second i type to u is wasted time,so gon on hearing lady gaga and dont post to poeple how have a clue
SuperTimebandit 4 months ago
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orwashepushed 4 months ago 27
@orwashepushed what? he did shoot down some allied aircraft. i dont doubt his kills he is the best fighter ace in history and was only 20 y/o. I think you're trying to take away from what he did.
Palmetto4Liberty 4 months ago
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orwashepushed 4 months ago 12
@orwashepushed Well, we'll never know how he would have done on the western front but what he did on the eastern front was amazing i'd like to see you have over 352 victories in a old ww2 fighter. Actually germany was building far superior aircraft than the allies but it was alittle to late in mass producing and using them in battle.
Palmetto4Liberty 4 months ago
@Palmetto4Liberty.. I couldn't agree more... Hartmann never faced the elite allied fighter pilots so it is fair to say we will never know. The MiG 3 was an underpowered lightly armoured aircraft and incomparable with the Bf 109 or the "old ww2 fighter" as you so describe. Hartmann was also shot down at least 16 times and possibly 30 times although he claimed it was the damage caused from kill debris... He must have believed his own propaganda! Jet aircraft had little impact in WWII...
orwashepushed 4 months ago
@orwashepushed because they were produced to late in the war. i said "old ww2 fighter" because it was much harder than todays heat seeking missles and such today to shoot down an enemy. . . id like too see how many people would make it with that many kills. though you're wrong he did go up against a few allied P-51's ill state this from (wiki) in my next post so atleast 8 P-51's.
Palmetto4Liberty 4 months ago
@orwashepushed While flying "top cover" for another Schwarm, Hartmann attacked a flight of four P-51s over Bucharest, Romania, downing two, while the other two P-51s fell victim to his fellow pilots.[23] On 1 June 1944, Hartmann shot down four P-51s in a single mission over the Ploieşti oil fields.[24] Later that month, during his fifth combat with American pilots, he shot down two more P-51s before being forced to bail out, when eight other P-51s ran his Messerschmitt out of fuel
Palmetto4Liberty 4 months ago
@Palmetto4Liberty.. The whole thing is a hoax my friend and you, for what ever reason seem able to trust old nazi propaganda. How is possible to believe than 40 german aces shot down 6.940 soviet airplanes and only one german ace was killed in action? The german air force over claimed 3-1 in the battle of briton to their embarrassment! How can a retreating army verify enemy air losses? "Forced to bail out when eight other P-51s ran his Messerschmitt out of fuel" Oh please, this is silly.
orwashepushed 4 months ago
@orwashepushed lol nazi propaganda? theres tons of US propaganda throughout ww2 nazi or not they were the best military of the time. Believe what you want you have no way to dissprove what he done and by most aircraft historians they will go by his word over yours. thumbs up
Palmetto4Liberty 4 months ago
@Palmetto4Liberty .... The russians could only corroborate 80 kills in Hartmann's record... Do you think that more than 25% of the confirmed kills of any soviet ace can be corroborated with the losses recorded in the available luftwaffe files? Answer please !!!!!
orwashepushed 4 months ago
@orwashepushed the russians would say anything to discredit a honorable german like hartmann ..
Palmetto4Liberty 4 months ago
@Palmetto4Liberty... Try reading about Joseph Goebbels post 1942 if you have the stomach.
Good luck with the future friend.
orwashepushed 4 months ago
@orwashepushed but still you arent giving him much credit which is kinda sad probably biased because he was a german pilot and the best ace of WW2.
Palmetto4Liberty 4 months ago
@Palmetto4Liberty.. Clearly you have read or understood my previous posts.
orwashepushed 4 months ago
@orwashepushed
Your premise is correct but a bit over simplified. Hartmann was not exactly facing the rickity Ratas of the early stage of the war. The red airforce had by his time become a formidable fighting force with experienced and talented pilots who regularly made their kills. He most definitly faced great fighting planes in his time. His success I would argue, was born from his style of fighting which was to get in fast and close and fire when a vital hit is all but impossible to miss.
teutonalex 3 months ago
@orwashepushed Superior aircraft? The FW190D was a match for any allied aircraft at the time and the Ta-152 would have been to had it been introduced earlier. The only disadvantage the Luftwaffe had was lack of quality pilots and numbers.
flounderal 3 months ago
@flounderal.. Why not watch this and enjoy...
youtube.com/watch?v=GS5YKiW2KBk
orwashepushed 3 months ago
@orwashepushed I'm sorry to burst your bubble mate, but Erich was also outstationed in the West, where he managed to "kill" approximately 50 British and/or American fighters. There's really no doubt that he is a great ace, and for fuck sake even though he might have fought against inferior forces, it is still amazing to get over 300 kills - There's no excuse to claim otherwise. Also, the Luftwaffe was by all means technologically superior and superior by means of training - Continued
MuchoFunkie 2 months ago
@MuchoFunkie "burst your bubble", "kill 50 british fighters", "luftwaffe was by all means technologically superior"... Oh dear, time for a history lesson....
dalyhistory.wordpress/erich-hartmann/
youtube.com/watch?v=inJgjYsov_Q
orwashepushed 2 months ago
@orwashepushed wordpress blog written by a dumbass such as yourself is supposed to be authorative? LOL
jackzero99 2 months ago
@orwashepushed It was by sheer outnumbering and superior tactics that the RAF and USAF came out on the top
MuchoFunkie 2 months ago
@orwashepushed top 50 aces of ww2 were germans
manq211 3 months ago
@orwashepushed Sorry, but you have obviously no idea what you are talking about. Hartmann shot down 4 Mustangs in a 4v1 encounter within 2 minutes. In another occasion, when he was attacked by 8 Mustangs from above, he send his wingman home, to make sure he survives and did go into the 8v1. He couldnt make a kill, but he survived. I did talk to several american fighter pilots, no one ever doubted Hartmann was by far the best.
lion737 3 months ago
@lion737 yah i doubt that, bullshit info, you talked to some several american fighter pilots...yah right.
boratfan6492 3 months ago 16
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reicheagle1942 2 months ago
@boratfan6492 the germans were very egual to the brits.As time & attrition went on the Luftwaffe deteriorated,do to not enough training..Some Germans who were lucky went on to huge wins..If you look germans had the best & probaly were the best,just not the numbers.I am proud of my ancesters
reicheagle1942 2 months ago
@lion737 AFAIK, Hartmann only ever claimed one P-51 victory.
antred11 3 months ago
@antred11
didnt he scored two ..on 6/1944 and one 3/1945
nagmashot 3 months ago
@nagmashot Yeah, I've done some more reading and apparently he shot down several P-51s. Sorry, my bad ... I don't know why I thought he got only one. I blame it on old age. ;)
antred11 2 months ago
@orwashepushed mmmhmm...this is only half true. dont forget that around 1943 the most aces of the luftwaffe were dead. it is much harder to stand against an allied overpower as to do a so-called high tech dogfight. in every way,to claim 352 airwins is much more than any other allied pilot got. for example,the us air force gave the purple heart to the us pilots after 5 (!) airwins. btw a lot of his wins are historical proved,google or some books about him would help.
bernisweltredsun 3 months ago
@bernisweltredsun.. "Allied overpower" the allies didn't start the war remember !!
I'm amazed the americans reached as high as 5 kills, beyond 1943 they had run out of targets.
orwashepushed 3 months ago
@orwashepushed Why do you keep posting your stupidity for all to see?
jackzero99 2 months ago
@jackzero99... The last three comments from a guy who likes... Justin Bieber - Mistletoe !!
Lets hope mummy doesn't catch you using filthy language like this or it'll be your "ass" she'll be after. Have a nice christmas !!
orwashepushed 2 months ago
@bernisweltredsun The purple heart is a medal given to injured personnel.You were an "ace"after 5 kills.
916fanatic1 1 month ago
@orwashepushed
1/3 of his east front victorys over obsolete russian aircraft, were US land lease delivered american US aircraft, over 90 of his air victorys were against Mustang, Aircobra, Havco(Boston), Maurader! Soviets in P-39s scored the highest individual kill totals of any pilot ever to fly a U.S. aircraft! US propaganda that soviet airfocre was less powerfull. Next to that fact Germany had the hardest scorring system of all ww2 airforces with the strictes ruels.
nagmashot 3 months ago
@nagmashot.. Nothing could match german propaganda in 1943 especially insofar as the "action comic heroes" that were propagated by the losing nazi high command who were pathological liars without any grip on reality.
"Hardest scoring system", not exactly. The german "aces" were exaggerating 3-1 in the battle of briton and believed the fight would be over in four days, yes really, didn't they have a shock !! The U boat commanders suffered with similar amnesia in their bid to gain favouritism
orwashepushed 3 months ago
@orwashepushed
The only real problem about the Battle of Britain was that..
1st: ...the Germans didn't believe that the British had radar units. (which only operated in a totally different frequency spectrum than the German one, so they didn't detect it)
2nd: ...the code of the German Enigma cipher machine has been cracked - which was impossible to believe by German leadership.
On which German propaganda do you refer? They had the most honest one during WW2.(Wehrmachtsbericht)
hatebreederish 2 months ago
@hatebreederish..The only real problem the germans had in the battle of briton was they faced an organised air force, you acknowledge that in the points you make - Hartmann never faced this technology.... nazi propaganda was spectacularly exposed throughout this period with regard to the wild over claiming at a rate of 3-1. "honest nazi propaganda", you've lost me completely, I have no idea what you are talking about.
orwashepushed 2 months ago 2
@orwashepushed LOL you fucking idiot by 1943 the soviet air force was turning out great fighters. you're brainwashed by anglo-american propaganda dumbed down for idiots like you
jackzero99 2 months ago