I live in England and I can honestly say that I have never felt any need whatsoever to carry a gun for self-defence. Simply because outside inner citys there is practicaly NO gun crime whatsoever and were there is gun crime it's 9 times out of 10 a person with some crappy little pistol with 2 or 3 rounds of ammo in it. On the extremly rare occation that that does happen an armed responce team will be sent to dispach the criminal.
Dude, you're only 16. You have no idea how the real world works. If you want to count on an "armed response team" being "dispatched" to save your bohunkus, that's your prerogative, but luckily in the USA you don't get to make that idiotic decision for ME.
Seems as though the general response from the Brits is that they don't really mind not having firearms rights because sport shooting and self defense, and firearms ownership just don't really appeal to them. Are you folks sure that it isn't just because your Police will beat the flying fool out of you if you turn up with a gun?
due to laws there is no point in self defense - your attacker could sue you if you hurt them when they are in the process of taking your money. I guess it's because if you were to comply instead of fight back no one will get hurt anyway.
well, during my service in the royal anglian regiment it did serve well.
I think there are many views on this issue and a compromise would be nice, but in my view i think that yes the criminal may have a gun and i may not have had time to pull mine as you said but at least i have the option to. And at the end of today, gun ban or not the criminals still do have guns.
yerr, its only half way through the year and allready 25 people have been shot in the UK. Id rather gain the freedome of owning guns back, cos it wudnt make any difference to the death toll. In fact it might lower it cos if i pull a .45 on some prick who tries to shank me he will think twice.
Not the freedom to just kill anyone, but only to defend yourself with deadly force.
You are mistaken, laws don't take physical abilities away they only threaten you with the consequences of your actions. Just because I'm able to kill does not mean I'm free to kill. You are able to run over anyone you want with a car, but you are not free to do so. Thugs don't obey the law so why would they start now.
The UK is considered Western Europe's most crime infested country. Maybe not homocide - but petty crime is like the plague over there.
You should look at the statis of States where there is less gun control. You will find the correlation that those with the most gun control have the highest crime and homocide rates while those without have the lowest.
You should also look at Canada - we a low crime rate and 7 million firearms owners.
That's a lot of faith you put into your government - thinking they will look out only for your well being and therefore trusting them and only them to have weapons. Wasn't that the premise to "V for Vendetta?" Man - England sounds like a great place!
O.K, firstly i could fly in my own aircraft with my legal rifle,you can shoot on private land.But if my plane crashed, i would not have to pay for medical care..because i am British.I could smoke too.Then i could go driving in my friends TANK on a public road...oohh but you can't do that in th U.S.
Generally speaking, yes. Our Constitution is somewhat unusual in that, under the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment, it guarantees most rights to all "persons" rather than just to citizens.
The limitations are surprisingly few. Non-citizens can't vote, don't have to serve on juries, can't contribute to political campaigns (I *think*), and can't hold a number of government jobs, including President. Actually you have to be a natural born citizen to be President, but I digress.
lol, you have a point there. CarBINE is technically correct, but carBEEN is spoken, understood, loved and accepted everywhere in America, esp. the South. But you are quite correct.
Dude theres lots of fatties in England. I've seen whole estates on the dole and living off Kentucky Fried Chicken. In Somerset most men cannot see their penises, and Northern girls have a "gunt", where the gut meets the cunt and looks like they have a tyre around their waist. Watch Jeremy Kyle and tell me you would bang any of those fat whores. Awesome country, though, England. Fucking beautfu. I admit English girls are way hotter than American or Canadian.
That was really funny! Dean showed me the first video you guys did and I just couldn't help myself to look at the new one...looking forward to the 3rd one! :)
Carjacking rates were higher on average during the first 5 years of the 1993-2002 period (2.1 per 10,000 persons each year) than during the last 5 years (1.3 per 10,000).
Carjacking victimization rates were highest in urban areas, followed by suburban and rural areas. Ninety-three percent of carjackings occurred in cities or suburbs.
A weapon was used in 74% of carjacking victimizations. Firearms were used in 45% of carjackings, knives in 11% and other weapons in 18%. DOJ study
Why do you feel that people who have broken no laws cannot be trusted?
Don't you believe in "A person is innocent until proven guilty."?
Why has there been an increase in the UK of criminals "ARMED WITH GUNS" in home invasion robberies? The professionals in law enforcement say it's because when people had guns and an unarmed crook broke in the home owners were hesitant to shoot. Now the victims have no gun. So the thieves instantly have control and can do as they will.
Concorde? Is that still flying? I thought I had heard they were cancelled.
Watching tennis? Good Lord! I'd rather eat tree bark than sit through a tennis match. SO it's not for me. Just as standing up for the right of free people to be able to defend themselves is not your "thing".
The boxes are just a training exercise, a prelude to the shooting of tasty animals, evil terrorists, run-of-the-mill criminals, oppressive and tyrannical governments, etc. Live and let the bad guys die, is what I say.
Tell that to the thousands of rape victims. I would think that quit a few of them would have liked to have their gun to defend themselves instead of getting violated. That is of course AFTER the government got through sodomizing them.
They already know. In the cities where concealed as well as open carry is legal car jacking have dropped dramatically. You're not very up on actual FACTUAL realities are you?
SO you think that carjacking is not included in car theft. Lame dodge. But I'll dig a little deeper and see if I can find something else. I don't doubt that I will. Just like I don't doubt that you'll poo poo it just like every other fact you're faced with. But just how much do you like your countrys Olympic team having to travel to France to practice?
The Home Office doesn't track Car Jacking because it's very rare.
Brits don't like guns, so they're banned. Americans do like guns, so they're legal. Neither of these is right or wrong, we just have different cultures.
So they put it to a vote and the PEOPLE decided to do away with guns? OR did some socialist politicians push through some "feel good" legislation that Lawful gun owners were tricked into believeing wouldn't affect them or they never dreamt could pass?
You have no idea or, more likely, disregard the rich firearms heritage England "USED" to have. At one time custom English guns were treasures of collectors and sportsmen around the world. SO what happened to the people?
It's not a question about who likes or dislikes, who hunts or who doesn't. It's about the rights of people to be able to keep arms to defend themselves. A right the British people USED to have.
It was put to the people in the general election, where the party which promised to ban firearms won the election. The ban was then debated and voted on in the democratically elected House of Commons.
The people voted on a party manifesto which included the gun ban. Referenda in parliamentary democracies are generally reserved for matters of sovereignty.
If the majority of the public were against the ban, you would think they'd be protests. The fact that there isn't suggests most people are either indifferent towards or for the ban.
I'm sure that a lot of the millions of people who stalin murdered were for communism too. Right up till they executed them. Most of hitlers most stalwart supporters were executed after his power was secured.
It's a pity seeing a nation being absorbed into socialism like the UK is.
Socialism died in 1979 in the UK, and it shows no sign of coming back.
In a democratic society, what freedoms are legal is determined by the majority. If a majority of people say, 'I give up my freedom to murder in return for the government ensuring everyone else gives up their freedom to murder' then the people should loose their freedom to legally murder.
This is an extreme example, but it holds true with every other freedom - including the riht to bear arms.
UNfortunately you are NOT a "democratic" society. The PEOPLE do not make the laws in the UK. They are made by politicians for whatever reasons their partys are getting endorsements from.
It's a stupid example. The right to keep and bear arms is not about "murder". It's about being able to defend yourself from those who would take your rights from you. Sadly you've permitted those in power to steal them from you.
Not a democratic society? I think all the countries who have the Westminster system of government would disagree.
In the end, shouldn't it be up to the people to decide what rigths they have. I like living in a country where I have the right to life, a country where people can't legally walk around with handguns. I'm sure you wouldn't want to live in a country like that, but most Brits do.
Heh, being a member of the aristocracy has its privileges. I guess the Brits are happy he's buying guns rather than marrying a Catholic (which would be ILLEGAL for him to do)
I know when Americans hear guns they think of their forefathers bravely fighting for independence, but when Brits hear gunfire we think of death and violence.
I don't think either view is wrong. If you like guns in your country then you should keep them, but please don't force them on us. A violent Empire and two world wars have put us off the things.
The English HAD the freedom to own firearms until about 1930, when the royalty decided to take them away from the subjuects. As large crimes occurred, they continued to punish the people who didn't do it.
Now, it's against the law to fight back against crime. A person defending their house and family against a robber/rapist/murderer faces the risk of prosecution with the real criminal given immunity and testifying against the homeowner.
Yeah Carbine Williams, just another moonshinin', short stroke gas piston inventin' whilst in prison NC good ole boy. Take that evil axis powers. Pass the bar b Q please m'am....
Doug and Kelly, layin' down the LAW and the LEAD the way JOHN WAYNE intended!!! Light 'em up and fly away!! Yeah baby!!! Show them pansy Engies WHO LET THE DOGS OUT!!!! Oh I think it was CARBINE WILLIAMS BABY!!!! He didn't need no national health service LMAO LMAO LMAO
Wow, just who is that awesome guy in the orange shirt with such a commanding knowledge of the M1 carbine? He could easily, easily best Arnold in an action hero competition.
The Harrier was a hell of a plane, until we designed the F-35 Lightning II. Which will be replacing the Harrier in the RAF. Remember, buy American!
alenofbellwood 3 years ago
I live in England and I can honestly say that I have never felt any need whatsoever to carry a gun for self-defence. Simply because outside inner citys there is practicaly NO gun crime whatsoever and were there is gun crime it's 9 times out of 10 a person with some crappy little pistol with 2 or 3 rounds of ammo in it. On the extremly rare occation that that does happen an armed responce team will be sent to dispach the criminal.
thingy186 3 years ago
Dude, you're only 16. You have no idea how the real world works. If you want to count on an "armed response team" being "dispatched" to save your bohunkus, that's your prerogative, but luckily in the USA you don't get to make that idiotic decision for ME.
Now back to your "semi-automatic air pistol."
crufflerdoug 3 years ago
yah i live in nc ur kool as hell keep making vids
wutywu252 3 years ago
Truley Enjoyed the flims
I even subscribed ..a first
Keep it up
It helps the cause
A gun owner from S.C
gopher0 3 years ago
Seems as though the general response from the Brits is that they don't really mind not having firearms rights because sport shooting and self defense, and firearms ownership just don't really appeal to them. Are you folks sure that it isn't just because your Police will beat the flying fool out of you if you turn up with a gun?
ChopperCrank 3 years ago
due to laws there is no point in self defense - your attacker could sue you if you hurt them when they are in the process of taking your money. I guess it's because if you were to comply instead of fight back no one will get hurt anyway.
SkiNut33 3 years ago
America, ƒuck yeah!
EntranceDenied 3 years ago
Finally someone who understands the ironic spirit in which this video is offered.
crufflerdoug 3 years ago
well, during my service in the royal anglian regiment it did serve well.
I think there are many views on this issue and a compromise would be nice, but in my view i think that yes the criminal may have a gun and i may not have had time to pull mine as you said but at least i have the option to. And at the end of today, gun ban or not the criminals still do have guns.
VinylProductions 3 years ago
yerr, its only half way through the year and allready 25 people have been shot in the UK. Id rather gain the freedome of owning guns back, cos it wudnt make any difference to the death toll. In fact it might lower it cos if i pull a .45 on some prick who tries to shank me he will think twice.
VinylProductions 3 years ago
Every genocide in the 20th century began with the disarming of the civilian populace.
crufflerdoug 3 years ago
Not the freedom to just kill anyone, but only to defend yourself with deadly force.
You are mistaken, laws don't take physical abilities away they only threaten you with the consequences of your actions. Just because I'm able to kill does not mean I'm free to kill. You are able to run over anyone you want with a car, but you are not free to do so. Thugs don't obey the law so why would they start now.
Bleakfacts 3 years ago
The UK is considered Western Europe's most crime infested country. Maybe not homocide - but petty crime is like the plague over there.
You should look at the statis of States where there is less gun control. You will find the correlation that those with the most gun control have the highest crime and homocide rates while those without have the lowest.
You should also look at Canada - we a low crime rate and 7 million firearms owners.
nck1572 3 years ago
That's a lot of faith you put into your government - thinking they will look out only for your well being and therefore trusting them and only them to have weapons. Wasn't that the premise to "V for Vendetta?" Man - England sounds like a great place!
nck1572 3 years ago
LOL, "just because I can"... great vid.
norcofreerider604 3 years ago
Its one of our fundamental rights.
2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution-
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
seanxvw 3 years ago 2
O.K, firstly i could fly in my own aircraft with my legal rifle,you can shoot on private land.But if my plane crashed, i would not have to pay for medical care..because i am British.I could smoke too.Then i could go driving in my friends TANK on a public road...oohh but you can't do that in th U.S.
sicknotecharlie 3 years ago
You think you're not paying for your substandard medical care? You're paying. What are your taxes like?
And the rich people in your country come here for surgery. Funny how they do that even though it isn't "free."
By the way, you don't actually own an aircraft, do you? Perhaps because it is absurdly expensive and over-regulated there.
crufflerdoug 3 years ago
wow that vid kicked ass i have 4 ww2 weapons K98, mosin nagant 44, mosin nagant 91/30 and a K31very strong guns 3 of em 8mm and k31 is a 7mm
Gunluver1 3 years ago
Cool video!!! Nice going US guys... shows us the light here in Europe...
CaptainAndreas 3 years ago
if i was to migrate from england to america, and i got a green card or visa or whatever, could i then do whatever an american citizen can???
jellyking12345 3 years ago
Generally speaking, yes. Our Constitution is somewhat unusual in that, under the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment, it guarantees most rights to all "persons" rather than just to citizens.
The limitations are surprisingly few. Non-citizens can't vote, don't have to serve on juries, can't contribute to political campaigns (I *think*), and can't hold a number of government jobs, including President. Actually you have to be a natural born citizen to be President, but I digress.
crufflerdoug 3 years ago
that sounds cool :)
jellyking12345 3 years ago
Who is Russel?
PILMAN 3 years ago
Actually, you should stop saying "actually", you manky septic guntlicker! Speak English!
ChopperCrank 3 years ago
Actually, Kelly is rather svelte, especially for a 42 year old. Obviously keeping it in good shape for the ladies, eh Kelly?
I guess it will be motorcycles and concealed handguns next.
ChopperCrank 3 years ago
haha did you say carBEEN ? or you mean BINE u fool speak english
smokinwild8 3 years ago
lol, you have a point there. CarBINE is technically correct, but carBEEN is spoken, understood, loved and accepted everywhere in America, esp. the South. But you are quite correct.
ChopperCrank 3 years ago
Actually, checking the dictionary, both are correct, carBEEN is listed first.
So perhaps Doug and Kelly are not so foolish?
ChopperCrank 3 years ago
dunno about that..
smokinwild8 3 years ago
Have a look then.
ChopperCrank 3 years ago
your right but BEEN sound like a pile of wank
smokinwild8 3 years ago
Here in england, we all say and write carbine.
jellyking12345 3 years ago
would that be carBIGN or carBEAN?
crufflerdoug 3 years ago
We say carBIGN
jellyking12345 3 years ago
Here in England criminals can obtain automatic weapons, the police walk around with hand guns pepper spray and tazers.
BUT
You can't have a gun to DEFEND yourself.. and even if you use one to do that, you goto jail for murder.
houseburglar 3 years ago
In England we can run but in america you cant cos ur so FAT
BigRobo26 3 years ago
Dude theres lots of fatties in England. I've seen whole estates on the dole and living off Kentucky Fried Chicken. In Somerset most men cannot see their penises, and Northern girls have a "gunt", where the gut meets the cunt and looks like they have a tyre around their waist. Watch Jeremy Kyle and tell me you would bang any of those fat whores. Awesome country, though, England. Fucking beautfu. I admit English girls are way hotter than American or Canadian.
monsoonostrich 3 years ago
Nah, London girls are hotter than most American or Canadian. The rest of England -- not so much.
crufflerdoug 3 years ago
Yah London girls look delicious, but up in gingerland there aren't many nice ones
monsoonostrich 3 years ago
You better lace up your track shoes if a crook comes calling.
ChopperCrank 3 years ago
Hi Doug,
That was really funny! Dean showed me the first video you guys did and I just couldn't help myself to look at the new one...looking forward to the 3rd one! :)
Johanne
Carpediem1986 3 years ago
Thanks! It's kind of hysterical how many people take it seriously. I enjoy tooling them up with outrageous comments....
crufflerdoug 3 years ago
Carjacking rates were higher on average during the first 5 years of the 1993-2002 period (2.1 per 10,000 persons each year) than during the last 5 years (1.3 per 10,000).
Carjacking victimization rates were highest in urban areas, followed by suburban and rural areas. Ninety-three percent of carjackings occurred in cities or suburbs.
A weapon was used in 74% of carjacking victimizations. Firearms were used in 45% of carjackings, knives in 11% and other weapons in 18%. DOJ study
MIT1369 3 years ago
Why do you feel that people who have broken no laws cannot be trusted?
Don't you believe in "A person is innocent until proven guilty."?
Why has there been an increase in the UK of criminals "ARMED WITH GUNS" in home invasion robberies? The professionals in law enforcement say it's because when people had guns and an unarmed crook broke in the home owners were hesitant to shoot. Now the victims have no gun. So the thieves instantly have control and can do as they will.
MIT1369 3 years ago
Now you can't defend ANY of your rights because you are now a "ruled" people instead of a "governed" people.
MIT1369 3 years ago
Concorde and the A380 are part of British aerospace manufacture in partnership with other European countries.
Also, why would I want to travel to a field and shoot holes in a box when I could be out playing cricket or watching tennis?
SuperTrekNerd 3 years ago
Concorde? Is that still flying? I thought I had heard they were cancelled.
Watching tennis? Good Lord! I'd rather eat tree bark than sit through a tennis match. SO it's not for me. Just as standing up for the right of free people to be able to defend themselves is not your "thing".
MIT1369 3 years ago
We play tennis, you shoot boxes in a field. Live and let live is what I say.
SuperTrekNerd 3 years ago
The boxes are just a training exercise, a prelude to the shooting of tasty animals, evil terrorists, run-of-the-mill criminals, oppressive and tyrannical governments, etc. Live and let the bad guys die, is what I say.
crufflerdoug 3 years ago
Tell that to the thousands of rape victims. I would think that quit a few of them would have liked to have their gun to defend themselves instead of getting violated. That is of course AFTER the government got through sodomizing them.
MIT1369 3 years ago
You tell the thousands of carjacking victoms in the US that guns make you safer.
Medeasbiggestfan 3 years ago
They already know. In the cities where concealed as well as open carry is legal car jacking have dropped dramatically. You're not very up on actual FACTUAL realities are you?
MIT1369 3 years ago
I do know that carjacking in Europe is dramatically lower than anywhere in the US.
Medeasbiggestfan 3 years ago
Car theft per capita 1000 people:
#1 Austrailia (strict gun control) 6.92354
#3 UK (strict gun control) 5.6054
#7 Canada (strict gun control) 4.88547
#9 United States (not so strict) 3.8795
Source "Nation Master"
MIT1369 3 years ago
I'm talking about carjacking, not theft.
If you'd like to look at other crimes, the murder rate in the US is 3 times higher than the UK.
Medeasbiggestfan 3 years ago
SO you think that carjacking is not included in car theft. Lame dodge. But I'll dig a little deeper and see if I can find something else. I don't doubt that I will. Just like I don't doubt that you'll poo poo it just like every other fact you're faced with. But just how much do you like your countrys Olympic team having to travel to France to practice?
MIT1369 3 years ago
It would seem that the Home Office doesn't track "Car Jacking" as a seperate crime.
"The Home Office has no separate data on the incidence of carjacking and similar
serious car crime incidents, although such crimes may increase as vehicle security
improves."
House of Commons report HC696
Sixteenth Report of
Session 2005--06
So your "Claim" is irrelevant unless you can come up with some proof. The "ball" is well and truely in your court, skippy.
MIT1369 3 years ago
The Home Office doesn't track Car Jacking because it's very rare.
Brits don't like guns, so they're banned. Americans do like guns, so they're legal. Neither of these is right or wrong, we just have different cultures.
Medeasbiggestfan 3 years ago
So they put it to a vote and the PEOPLE decided to do away with guns? OR did some socialist politicians push through some "feel good" legislation that Lawful gun owners were tricked into believeing wouldn't affect them or they never dreamt could pass?
You have no idea or, more likely, disregard the rich firearms heritage England "USED" to have. At one time custom English guns were treasures of collectors and sportsmen around the world. SO what happened to the people?
MIT1369 3 years ago
Did the people vote on it? YES or NO!?!?
It's not a question about who likes or dislikes, who hunts or who doesn't. It's about the rights of people to be able to keep arms to defend themselves. A right the British people USED to have.
MIT1369 3 years ago
It was put to the people in the general election, where the party which promised to ban firearms won the election. The ban was then debated and voted on in the democratically elected House of Commons.
Medeasbiggestfan 3 years ago
So the people were NOT able to actually vote on the ban.
MIT1369 3 years ago
The people voted on a party manifesto which included the gun ban. Referenda in parliamentary democracies are generally reserved for matters of sovereignty.
If the majority of the public were against the ban, you would think they'd be protests. The fact that there isn't suggests most people are either indifferent towards or for the ban.
Medeasbiggestfan 3 years ago
I'm sure that a lot of the millions of people who stalin murdered were for communism too. Right up till they executed them. Most of hitlers most stalwart supporters were executed after his power was secured.
It's a pity seeing a nation being absorbed into socialism like the UK is.
MIT1369 3 years ago
Socialism died in 1979 in the UK, and it shows no sign of coming back.
In a democratic society, what freedoms are legal is determined by the majority. If a majority of people say, 'I give up my freedom to murder in return for the government ensuring everyone else gives up their freedom to murder' then the people should loose their freedom to legally murder.
This is an extreme example, but it holds true with every other freedom - including the riht to bear arms.
Medeasbiggestfan 3 years ago
Wanna bet?
UNfortunately you are NOT a "democratic" society. The PEOPLE do not make the laws in the UK. They are made by politicians for whatever reasons their partys are getting endorsements from.
It's a stupid example. The right to keep and bear arms is not about "murder". It's about being able to defend yourself from those who would take your rights from you. Sadly you've permitted those in power to steal them from you.
MIT1369 3 years ago
Not a democratic society? I think all the countries who have the Westminster system of government would disagree.
In the end, shouldn't it be up to the people to decide what rigths they have. I like living in a country where I have the right to life, a country where people can't legally walk around with handguns. I'm sure you wouldn't want to live in a country like that, but most Brits do.
Medeasbiggestfan 3 years ago
The UK is STILL a Monarchy. Or didn't you know that?
MIT1369 3 years ago
The Queen has an average approval rating of 75% and in practice rules at the pleasure of her subjects. But that's a different issue.
Medeasbiggestfan 3 years ago
Saw some vid of Prince William, he's got a fat gun collection. I guess he must know some of the higher ups and gets a pass.
Wondering about that.
ChopperCrank 3 years ago
Heh, being a member of the aristocracy has its privileges. I guess the Brits are happy he's buying guns rather than marrying a Catholic (which would be ILLEGAL for him to do)
crufflerdoug 3 years ago
Why would you want to do that? It seems very loud.
Medeasbiggestfan 3 years ago
Sound of freedom!! :)
crufflerdoug 3 years ago
I know when Americans hear guns they think of their forefathers bravely fighting for independence, but when Brits hear gunfire we think of death and violence.
I don't think either view is wrong. If you like guns in your country then you should keep them, but please don't force them on us. A violent Empire and two world wars have put us off the things.
Medeasbiggestfan 3 years ago
The English HAD the freedom to own firearms until about 1930, when the royalty decided to take them away from the subjuects. As large crimes occurred, they continued to punish the people who didn't do it.
Now, it's against the law to fight back against crime. A person defending their house and family against a robber/rapist/murderer faces the risk of prosecution with the real criminal given immunity and testifying against the homeowner.
London is now worse than NYC for muggings.
Norm
nglitz 3 years ago
Yeah Carbine Williams, just another moonshinin', short stroke gas piston inventin' whilst in prison NC good ole boy. Take that evil axis powers. Pass the bar b Q please m'am....
ChopperCrank 3 years ago
Doug and Kelly, layin' down the LAW and the LEAD the way JOHN WAYNE intended!!! Light 'em up and fly away!! Yeah baby!!! Show them pansy Engies WHO LET THE DOGS OUT!!!! Oh I think it was CARBINE WILLIAMS BABY!!!! He didn't need no national health service LMAO LMAO LMAO
BigFatYank 3 years ago
Wow, just who is that awesome guy in the orange shirt with such a commanding knowledge of the M1 carbine? He could easily, easily best Arnold in an action hero competition.
ChopperCrank 3 years ago