What Goldberg is attempting is to basically warn people that "totalitarianism" doesn't invariably wear jackboots or wave a red flag. That the totalitarian minded, those who want to control others, boss them around, can impose their beliefs/ideologies on others by force where you allow a state system to develop which facilitates the policing of private life/personal behavior/opinions etc by the state.
This guy is so sure of himself when he himself is coming out with falsehoods of the sort he accuses Goldberg of making. Hitler wasn't a "protestant"...ever. He was a Catholic. He was ideologically an anti-Christian later, he despised Christianity, but didn't challenge it because it had so many followers and such great influence in Germany. He told his cronies he would leave his fight with the churches till after the war. Hitler himself believed in "god", though not a "Christian" one.
Popular slogan of the German Faith Movement who "rejected the 'Jewish' Old Testament and searched for traditional Germanic forms of religious expression."
-Richard Overy, "The Dictators: Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Russia." Page 282.
"Hitler believed that all religions were 'now decadent'; in Europe it was the 'collapse of christianity that we are now experiencing'...'the dogma of Christianity,' he told Himmler in October 1941, 'gets worn away before the advances of science.'...'[scientific] truth...is the indispensable formulation.'" -Richard Overy, "The Dictators: Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Russia." Page 281.
LOL! This guy is a jackass. Hey FIST.. He does reference his work, you douchebag. Look at you... chicken shit libtard, you validate the book by making a point of how you must refute it.
@mrekbass You ignore a very important factor. Before and after WWI, Europe, and in particular Germany, had become more collectivist than Classically Liberal. This means that your references imply precisely the opposite. Hitler was appealing to the agenda setting worldview in Germany, which by American standards are left winged. In what manner do any of these references challenge the actual policies of the classical fascists? Without that element they cannot address this issue.
Goldberg's book ignores over 100 years of history and the thoughtful unbiased work of tens of thousands of professional historians by simply stating "well. everyone knows academics are liberal so of course they lie about the Nazi's." His claims are asinine and baseless.
Read Mein Kampf, The Rise and Fall, Goebbels diary, Hitlers private and public conversations and several thousand other books that say the Nazi's were right wing. Or believe Goldberg and his 5 sources that say the opposite!
The Nazis and the Italian fascists were indeed fundamentally socialist. The Nazis being socialists within their racist ideology. This was very common on the "hard left" in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century-America's Jack London is a leading example. The old line conservatives in Germany failed to understand this properly, seeing in fascism merely an extreme nationalism which could be tamed and used against communism. It was a fatal mistake, especially in Germany's case.
The Nazis and the italian facists were anti socialists. They not only privatized(especially Hitler) industries(banks, shipyards etc) but also supported General Franco against socialists.
If our presidential candidates lie during elections, why wouldn't Hitler? What you are saying is that their (nazis) actions and intellectual forefathers are less important than what they claimed to be in public. This means that you would trust the words of a infamous liar over his actions. Also Goldberg, regardless of what you think of him is obviously intelligent. I can reasonably guess that you are arrogant (and a hypocrite for also not citing), however you are clearly not stupid.
@thesparitan You have not addressed a single point brought forth in this book. Please stop blubbering and back up your opinion. It's only intelligent to address a social disease at some point. Most people are willing to admit that communism is left winged, however many of the same people refuse to recognize the legion of similarities between it and fascism, since it leads to the connect the dot reality represented in "Liberal Fascism".
1. The left is tolerant of racism in minorities and often plays the race card without an intelligent reason, and is therefore the party of racism 2. Hitler moved an Alter of Zeus from turkey and modeled his pulpit from it and denounced Christianity in his official book Mein Kampf. 3. Conservatives are classical liberals, therefore their revolutions are distinctly different. Fascists practiced socialism and totalitarianism, which are opposed to classical liberalism. Did you ignore half the book?
I find it hard to believe that a human could just develop more cranial capacity in just one sequence of sub-species. You would need a million different varieties of humans with seemingly minuscule adaptations before you finally just reached ONE fully changed sub-species.
How could I guess this idiot was just another leftist college activist just by seeing his pale shrimpy face? I guess most liberal pansies share similar qualities...Such as an out of shape body, a pathetic reclusive personality and a pale pasty body...
First off, I profoundly reject Goldberg's thesis, but Hitler was actually a Catholic, not a Protestant. As for the pagan Nazis deal, I'm pretty sure that was mostly an obsession of Himmler and the higher echelons of the SS. It was not a part of mainstream Nazism, if there can be said to be such a thing.
Woaaa, and the support of the ideological left for World War I is well documented. The horrors of World War I are what formed the peacenik positions of the left that led to Hitler's rise to power and the Halocaust.
Clearly, which is why he nationalized almost every industry and set stringent standards for scientific research and academic institutions.
Hitler's acronym NAZI stands for National Socialist (in case you're wondering). You need to pull your head out of your ass and realize that liberals are lying propagandists.
Hitler privatized industries you idiot! Including: Commerz-Bank, the Dresdner Bank, the Deutsche Bank, Deutsche Schiff-und Machinenbau AG Bremen “Deschimag”, the Deutsche Reichsbahn, Vereinigte Stahlwerke A.G. and other huge corporations.
Epic fail!
LOL, Saddam Hussein used to call his elite the REPUBLICAN guard. And North Korea has the word DEMOCRATIC in its title. God you stupid!
HItler was a murderous rightist dictator who conservatives would have supported!
The term Republican applies to just more than the party you moron. Rome was a Republic (in case you're wondering). Just because someone USES the name, doesn't mean it actually applies to their political affiliation.
North Korea is officially known as the DEMOCRATIC people's REPUBLIC. And yet they are a totalitarian regime...So I fail to see what point you were trying to convey here...Maybe it was how nauseatingly retarded you are?
"Just because someone USES the name, doesn't mean it actually applies to their political affiliation."
You destroyed your own argument just than. You tried to prove that The Nazis were socialists because it had the word "Socialist" in its name. Yet, you destroyed your own argument.
Laugh how you quote the PInochet loving Mises instutute hypocrites. Lets see what a capitalist< Albert Krupp, had to say about the Nazis.
"The economy needed a steady or growing development. Because of the rivalries between the many political parties in Germany and the general disorder there was no opportunity for prosperity. ... We thought that Hitler would give us such a healthy environment. Indeed he did do that. ... We Krupps never cared much about [political] ideas. We only wanted a system that worked well and allowed us to work unhindered"
I fail to see what this comment was meant to illustrate, considering that it does not give any indication that Hitler was a Capitalist. In fact, if anything, it illuminates how much of a Socialist he really was. He didn't give private businesses the room or freedom they needed to grow and prosper.
The DEMOCRATS actually fought for the south during the Civil War.
"Government financing eventually dominated private investment; in the 1933–34 biennium, the proportion of private securities issued diminished from more than 50 per cent of the total, to approximately 10 per cent in the 1935–38 quadrennium." - (an excerpt from an article pertaining to Hitler's regulated economy).
"Heavy profit taxes limited self-financing companies, and the largest companies (usually government contractors) mostly were exempted from paying taxes on profits—in practice, however, government control allowed “only the shell of private ownership” in the Third Reich economy." (I guess this would explain your phenomenon of a few privately owned industries which you claim somehow assert that NAZIs were capitalists).
Lol, how was Hitler in any way a Conservative, when the whole concept of Conservatism is too lessen the influence of the government? You are a fucking moron.
Liberalism on the other hand is DEVOTED to expanding the government. Learn political theory you fucking idiot.
"That's Libertarianism you idiot. Arguing with an idiot is a waste of time!"
Moron, when I refer to MYSELF as an affiliate of the party, I don't describe myself as a "libertarianism". I say LIBERTARIAN. How fucking stupid are you? Learn the English language.
Lol, how ironic, considering it is Conservatives who keep stringent regulations on free speech concerning immoral acts which conflict with other people's rights.
Liberals restrict rights where it counts and allow immoral, degrading behavior throughout society...But as long as it doesn't conflict with their own perceptions of reality (as if the Republicans are the only ones responsible for such stupidity).
And FYI: I'm a libertarian. NOT a Republican. So stop barking up that tree.
In the workplace, Hitler actually abolished the minimum wage and decent work conditions, indeed he gave the emplyer more rights to treat their emplyees anyway they sae fit. . Winston Churchill 's economic polices were far more socialist than the polices of HItler and Mussolini.
Lol, do you honestly think that Soviet Russia gave workers adequate living and working conditions either? People were sent to the Gulags (instead of concentration camps), does that make Soviet Russia any less Communist?
How many Unions do you think existed during Soviet Russia's reign? Considering that the employer was the state, I see no reason a totalitarian regime WOULDN'T incorporate such policies under a Socialist or Communist regime.
"And FYI: I'm a libertarian. NOT a Republican. So stop barking up that tree."
That is my comment, in case you forget how the word is SPELLED and USED in a conversation. God, you are insufferable. You probably just googled the term libertarian and came up with the word libertarianism and assumed that that was the only way to describe the party.
Remember, there is a CONSERVATIVE and CONSERVATISM. DIP SHIP.
Firstly, when the soviets took over russia the trade union movements was non existent, they were oppressed by the Tsar, and they simply used the gulags when the Tsars old political prisoners used to be kept. Whilist their was a strong trade union movment in germany, which was crushed in the name of established economic interests.
Krupp said the the Nazis pro capitalist polices helped his business boom and he recieved record profits.
Last I checked, the excerpt from Krupp's statement said quite the contrary. He was claiming that Hitler's economic standards were detrimental to his capitalist interests.
I think you should read the statement you cited and see how ironic it is that you used it as an example.
They didn't SIMPLY use the Gulags. They used them CONSISTENTLY to silent all political dissidents (any trade unions included).
Last I checked, the Bolshevik revolution was inspired by Union ideologies.
"The economy needed a steady or growing development. Because of the rivalries between the many political parties in Germany and the general disorder there was no opportunity for prosperity. ... We thought that Hitler would give us such a healthy environment. Indeed he did do that"
He said Hitler gave his business a healthy environment to function.
Apparently you misread the quote moron. He says...And I QUOTE:
"Because of the rivalries between the many political parties in Germany and the general disorder there was no opportunity for prosperity. ... We thought that Hitler would give us such a healthy environment. Indeed he did do that"
Notice how he informs the reader that they EXPECTED Hitler to give them a competitive market that was conducive to growing a business but later explains that he DID NOT.
Nonsense. The Soviets built a massive Gulag system which dwarfed anything that had existed before and the numbers of political and other prisoners were millions more in the first few decades of Bolshevik rule than in centuries of Czarism. Millions of murders too. Lenin, Stalin and co survived their comparatively short cushy imprisonments by the Czar's regime-they would never have survived their own Soviet camps or Cheka executioners.
@zippgun1 If that was his motives I would support what he was saying but that isn't at all. He is just a propagandist and yes Hitler was not anti-Christian. "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."[21]
Never forget that German conservatives set up extermination camps in Africa during the 19th century. The extermination of the Herero was just one example.
I doubt you realize how consistent Hitler was concerning the Socialist agenda fool. His party's name doesn't just imply the standard of government regulation but fulfills it's obligations.
He attended rallies before he was even elected for the Socialist party and allowed himself to become indoctrinated.
It was liberal progressives and their theory of evolution which inspired him to become a bigot. He believed that evolution dictated that Whites were a superior race.
However, NEW evidence (which the scientific community disregards) indicates that for the process of evolution to possibly transpire, you would need BILLION and TRILLIONS of years (possibly to the googolplex power).
You would also need a BILLION different varieties of species as well as a one in a million chance that they would consistently develop certain traits that were beneficial to their survival (that's like winning the lottery a million times in a row by chance).
Hitler and Mussolini both had extremely intricate ties with the Socialist party. They would not have the incentive to divert from their traditional ideologies.
Idiot, Socialists who didn't coincide with Hitler's plan. Socialists and Communists were in conflict with each other. As well as Socialists with OTHER Socialists...Such as JEWISH Socialists, or GAY Socialists.
This so-called "dissection" was well-intended, but quickly dissolved from "lies" to "things I personally disagree with and want to rant about". You should be more organized in your presentation, because (as your body language shows) even you realized that you were engaged in an unorganized rant (the very thing you claimed to despise....the very premise of your "dissection").
Exactly how can socialism work, you know given the fact that every time its ever been tried it results in human misery. Look at Venezuela for god sake. How can any rational person believe in socialism?
capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions" - Adolph Hitler (Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)
@bonfirejovi You're quoting things he said before he was in power. All the leftist rhetoric that was used had been an effort to woo working class people that normally voted for leftist parties.
"In his speech to the nation from the sportpalast in berlin on 10th feb 1933, Hitler asserted his intention to destroy the "Marxist threat" of both communism and socialism" ibid p25 ;-)
It was leftist rhetoric before their rise to power, but rightist economics once in power.
Something ANYONE should know about Hitler is that he was a MASTER of manipulation. He would say one thing and then another. He contradicted himself a thousand times over and did exactly the opposite of what he professed to his people.
What has Ron Paul got to do with this inane book? You realise he is against corporatism and defense contracts right? I mean you talk about this book misrepresenting and then you go ahead with your strawmans. Also a libertarian is the exact opposite of a fascist authoritarian so your point about them wanting to bring about fascism makes NO sense.
So a stupid Commie student is somehow an authority to disprove empirical historical fact? Everything Goldberg stated about Marxist is ABSOLUTE FACT! Not conjecture, not opinion, but historical FACT. NO other system has produced more misery and death than Marxism and no system has produced a greater standard of living and technological development than the US model of CAPITALISM and Representative Republicanism.
Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Castro, Chez, Pol Pott et al. MURDERED over 100 MILLION people.
@Clarkecars No Communist gvmnt that you cite ever was truely Communist. If you look at the basic history of the Russian Revolution you can see how Lenin immediatly betrayed the concept of Marxism and flipped it on it's head, putting the state in charge of industry when the workers were supposed to be in charge. If actual Communism had been implimented or if the Mensheviks had been put into power, things might've turned out much differently. Dont call those governments Marxist when they weren't.
@tnekkc First of all, what part of your life has Obama regulated? Is he keeping you from doing something or making certain decisions that you couldn't before? Second, the only thing Obama has regulated is the corruption by big corporations to take risks with taxpayer money, which is YOUR money. By the way, he is lowering YOUR taxes, and giving the 98% of Americans (or, at least, most of them) tax cuts. If the Bush tax cuts are extended, you will continue to get taxed. Get your facts straight.
@tnekkc You're a deeply paranoid individual. Obama has not raised taxes. The only regulations that his administration has sought to put in place are regulations on financial fraud. Are you saying that you enjoy financial and consumer fraud? That these types of larceny should be legal? The power to tax is given to Congress in the constitution, and our taxes are determined by law. So do you think we should abandon the rule of law? Taxes are not slavery. You are brainwashed.
@scatcoitus like you dont miss how american fascism is explicitely anti-fascist just because they were the "other team" in ww2, not because they actually disagree with fascist ideas, including making a show of getting angry at the decadent rich up until the decadent rich buy them out, thats like how its happened every time fascists came to power
@scatcoitus thats not true, anti-corporate populism which is also anti-communism is almost always proto-fascist. the european fascists made their way with the lumpenproletariat by bashing major corporations, who then bought out the fascist movement once it became useful to do so, and then they got sweet heart government contracts for their investment
@Fudgey123873434 I love the dumbass right wingers who can't even take responsibility for right wing despotism. I realize that the left has it's despots (stalin, mao, pol pot, quaddafi, etc.) But so does the right (Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Pavelec, Suharto, Pinochet, Mubutu, etc.) But these thumbsucking fools think everything holier than thou is on the right, and everything despotic is on the left. Talk about fucking blindness.
@DaHonestAbe Sorry the left killed A LOT more people than the right did. Also what is your definition of right wing??? I view it from a market liberalization point of view as economic issues are the most important and by that token Hitler, Franco and Mussolini had heavy central planning, regulation and 4 year plans... none of which was economically right wing. Pinochet on the other hand was a market liberal and thus a right winger, he shared nothing with Hitler and Mussolini economically.
@bonfirejovi First of all, most economies are centrally planned even with talk of the mythical "free market." And Pinochet was bailing out troubled firms including media outlets well past the time he was put into power. And those so called "regulations" had no effect on business and were even in fact welcomed because labor had been brutalized and castrated. The regulators themselves were people from the financial sectors and they made sure the rich got richer. The average income of the (cont)
@DaHonestAbe went up by 46% under Hitler. And these despots were supported by the right wing in europe (Churchill, Chamberlain, the Duke and Duchess of Windsor, etc.) And yes these were economically right wing because they aggrandized business as they bullied and fazed out labor. There were also mass privatizations that took place in Italy (1922-25) and in Germany (1930's.) Read "Against the Mainstream: Nazi Privatization in the1930" and "The first privatization: Selling of State owned (cont)
@DaHonestAbe and Privatizing public monopolies in Fascist Italy (1922-25.)
These are economic studies that show how Mussolini were in support of business and used the state to beat down dissent. Yes man, it was "right wing", mainly because of their surpression of the left. You want to read an actual book about fascism? Read "The anatomy of Fascism" by Robert O. Paxton. He also debunked this nonsense by Jonah. Anyways, have a nice day.
@DaHonestAbe So corporate welfare is right wing? I thought market liberals didn't play favourites. What about Hitler's 4 year plans. I don't get my info from Goldberg.
@bonfirejovi Yeah, what about Hitler's 4 year plan?
NONE of the economic principles were even talked about being put into action after they were written. "A pseudo-socialist note was sounded by the demand for abolition of unearned incomes, the confiscation of war profits... It was a typical FAR-RIGHT document of its time. In practice it did not mean very much," Richard J Evans, "The Coming of the Third Reich". p179
You need to seperate fascist rhetoric from fascist action.
@bonfirejovi All you're doing is redefining left and right wing politics. Market liberalization as an identifier is interesting, but not historically accurate.
@johnedwards1968 research classical liberals and what liberal means in continental europe. i dont think there is an accepted definition of left and right. everything i say is historically accurate.
@johnedwards1968 Which classical liberals are you talking about? Economics liberals are more in line with modern conservatives. Social liberals are MUCH more in line with libertarians.
The liberal boogie-man that so many so-called "conservatives" bash, falls much more into the traditional conservative role, than it's painted.
nazi party wasn't right or left. this guy and goldberg are both wrong. adolf hitler and nazi party hated both communism and capitalism. hitler thought of economics as secondary to nationalism and statism. he thought economics had no significance at all. if you read mein kampf , he doesn't talk about economics and that is why people are confused about his economics. he apparently didnt have economic views. what ever was good for the state, the race and nation would good for hitler.
i love how students always believe they know things. like their liberal teachers know all, teach all. college these days is not a place of independent thinkers its a indoctrination pool. the second any of my teachers tried opening their yaps and talking about politics or socialism i would actually warn them. walking out if a i had to. and that's in high school!
Hitler wanted to return to the days of German power. Hence the name of the empire "The Third Reich"(1st reich was the holy roman empire, 2nd was Bismarks/Kiaser Wilhelm II).
An appeal to tradition!
Conservatives ARE FASCISTS.
Look at their love for the more modern fascist dictatorships: Franco and Pinochet
The only reason why they say Hitler and Mussolini were "lefties" is because they lost.
Another bright-eyed college kid repeating what his professor told him like gospel, having no clue what he's talking about. It's funny how he complains about lack of citations when all throughout the video he makes wild generalizations about those who he politically disagrees with... The ability of leftists to mentally whitewash the events of 20th century leftism never cease to amaze me... There is virtually no difference between communism and fascism other than the issue of internationalism.
Goldberg claims that socialists supported WW I - and then relentlessly mentions a series of pro-war socialists to prove his point (with footnotes). He claims that Hitler was not "conservative" because he was a revolutionary. Hitler was not trying to preserve the German status quo but rather to usurp and overthrow it. And so on.
This is not so much the case with liberals or conservatives, but with Marxist fanatics one must always fact check. In my experience they are habitual liars.
Does this freedom hating fascist ever look in the mirror? He needs to accept that he is a liberal fascist and a hypocrite.
F.I.S.T. ?? Oh to be a young and openminded student.....you are young and do not have a fucking clue you douchenozzle! Give yourself a latelatelate term abortion!
I agree with everything except for saying ron paul wants fascism. He wants free markets, and to make sure our money is backed by something tangible, like gold. I believe other politicians may want to bring authoritarian leadership to the country, but not ron paul.
I love how you just take it for granted that the government should eliminate all personal freedom to the point of dietary choice if it wants to build an army. Typical socialist logic.
(Also the conquer "the world" part is hyperbolic.)
My mistake, pardon me, I thought you were referring to John Toland the philosopher. Never heard of the author.
I know who William Shirer is, and I'm quite familiar with his brick of a book. Shirer's book was criticized by intellectuals and historians the world over as being heavy on lofty rhetoric and weak on historical substance. It was written from a journalists perspective, ignoring the sort of important contextual details considered relevant by scholars.
Shirer's book ignores history, Toland died 230 years before WW2, and Bullock was a socialist himself. You've muddied the waters with half-baked rationalizing on the right-wing nature of nazism, you must understand that the German economy was under Hitler's thumb. Industry produced what he DEMANDED they produce. If you can look beyond the fact that it may not have been the typical "worker's paradise" you'll see that it boiled down to the same old socialist tenet of state control over the economy.
Historian John Toland, Pulitzer Prize winner and author of "Adolf Hitler," c. 1976from Doubleday.
Shirer's book ignores history? The man lived & reported for 6 years from the Reich. "Now, as never before, the living witnesses can converge with the historical truth. All they need is a historian. In William L. Shirer they have found one.... - Dr. Hugh Trevor Roper, one of the world's leading experts on Nazi Germany.
It's sad. The fellow in this video is clearly a bright individual, what's shameful is how utterly misguided he is. This is the product of an incestuous, irresponsible, overwhelmingly leftist academia that should know better. Who's ever heard of a right wing revolution? Red Dawn doesn't count because it's just a movie, but it's worth noting for the sake of argument that the film evoked a scenario wherein Americans pressed back against foreign invaders. It wasn't a revolutionary film at ALL.
Leftist academics fled Germany by the boatloads in the early 1930s. And u are right.... rightwing dicatatorships are not revolutionary....they are reactionary. Hitler had more in common with Henry VIII (who also did not advocate equality or redistribution of wealth, but did have his dungeons & torture chambers) than with any communists, socialists, or other leftists.
Yes, and Hitler insisted that he was a revolutionary. Revolution is solely the product of the international left. Hitler didn't seek to return to a previous form of government as reactionaries do, he didn't want to co-opt, he wanted to destroy perception and recreate.
Yeah, a "revolutionary" who killed social democrats (socialists) & communists; played footsie with church hierarchy; was funded by wealthy capitalists; was hated by American leftists (who fought him by volunteering in the Abe Lincoln Brigade during Spain's Civil War); was hated by all noted leftists, like Charlie Chaplin... Nazi Germany was a military-industrial-gov't triangle, not a socialistic, workers paradise. Expand your reading beyond Goldberg...Toland, Bullock, Shirer, etc. Please.
He is infinitely wiser than you or the young, naive socialist above. His book is exhaustively researched. That his book has sold so well should be a clear indication that many people do in fact take him seriously.
By means of shrewd lies, it is possible to make one believe that heaven is hell and hell and heaven. The greater the lie, the more readily it is to be believed.
Wow, you are so wrong about me. I'm an atheist and Eurasian. Some relatives in my family have nordic noses and brunette hair. In standardized I.Q. tests Eurasians on average score the highest among all three racial groups Mongoloid, Caucasian and Negroid. So much for your "theories" on racial purity. Oh, and also on standard I.Q. tests Mongoloids score the highest among "pure" races. So much for Caucasian superiority.
Wow, that's very observant and sophisticated of you to think that. Did you come up with that all by yourself? Do you know anything about sarcasm and comedy or is your brain too primitive to understand such concepts? Those films are making fun of pseudo-socialist nazis like you. In short it is making fun of you and your kind who think that some brute smacking the shit out of you until you become a psychopath is a sign of strength.
Goldberg clearly is trying to argue that conservatives/libertarians are not "fascists". Fascism is associated with the LEFT not the RIGHT. Right Wing is classical liberalism. To call a conservative fascist is historically inaccurate. Right wingers want the separation of state and economy as Ayn Rand says it.The state as an umpire NOT as a participant.Mussolini, Hitler, FDR,and OBAMA want the merging of the two. Public-Private partnership/Mixed Economy/ The Third Way.
wow. awesome research skills. the definition made me laugh, really. extreme right wing is anarchy. extreme left wing is full government control (communism/socialism). fascism is on the left because of the amount of government control over the private sector. sooo educate YOURSELF on the economic/social policies of hitler/mussolini. you'll be surprised how anti-liberal (classical liberalism) they really were.
lol i used to say the same things as you. i was indoctrinated to think far right was fascism,so i decided to research a little bit.i read some books about the progressive movements and its intellectual roots.and then i read some quotes from mussolini and hitler themselves.i came to the conclusion that they were really more LEFT than RIGHT..which is the ideology of John Locke.Mussonlin/hitler practiced "third way" economics where the state steers the private sector..regulation,price controls etc.
Republican is just a label. Nixon was a "republican" and is a progressive by today's standard. JFK was a "democrat" and cut taxes. Bush was a progressive by the way he governed.increases govt spending domestic/foreign,spreading democracy,patriot act,bailouts etc.the left has its intellectual roots in fascism.just research wilson and fdr policies during that time.fascism wasnt frowned at; it was praised.if you want some specific policies just keep replying with your weak comebacks. :)
I posted the definition and have watched for years how republicans operate. If you need more evidence then listen to mark levin and then watch one of hitlers speeches.
Nazis on the left....good grief. Only in today's America...."But wasn't his party called National Socialist"? This is, of course, a ploy whereby any gov't that rules people absolutely & ruthlessly is automatically to be put on the far left. Remember: left bad, right good. Guess that means Nero, Charlemagne & Louis XIV were lefties. Yeah, ole Lefty Louis & Cool Cat Charley. They were almost as far left as Hippy Hitler.
lol you again.still havent accepted modern american liberalism has its intellectual roots in fascism. remember fascism was praised until Hitler/Mussolini started getting militant.progressives loved fascism, it got things done.
There is no doubt that early on, there were leftists who embraced Italian Fascism....but it moved to the right, just as National "Socialism" did. Hitler was brought to power by industrialists who wanted low taxes, and they got low taxes. Why do you think Hitler was loved by the German Middle class & up? Why do you think American rightists, Henry Ford, Charles A. Lindbergh, Prescott Bush, said nice things about the "New Germany"? Leftists spread wealth...Nazis never did.
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler
(Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)
"Whoever is prepared to make the national cause his own to such an extent that he knows no higher ideal than the welfare of his nation; whoever has understood our great national anthem, "Deutshland ueber Alles," to mean that nothing in the wide world surpasses in his eyes this Germany, people and land - that man is a socialist." - Shirer, "Rise & Fall," p 85.
"There are no revolutions except racial revolutions; there cannot be a political, economic, or social revolution." AH, Bullock, p 157.
omg, every political leader is brought to power by industrialists.its called lobbying! Obama is brought to power by industrialists, is he right wing? absolutely not. national socialist is "right wing socialism" thats why the left got pissed off when they went invading everybody.the progressive movement was the merging of govt and business.industrialists loves capitalism but hate it when they're bout to go outta business! even capitalist economists agree with that.
"His (Hitler's) adversaries, therefore, took advantage of his absence in Berlin (where he was consolidating ties in that area with conservatives, nationalists & right-wing radicals).... - Toland, "Adolf Hitler,", p. 111.
"On July 18, 1936, a handful of right-wing generals, headed by Francisco Franco (Hitler's pal), led a revolt against the Republic. Communists & liberal groups...supported Republican militia, while Fasicsts & conservatives backed Franco." - Sulzberger, "World War II," p. 17.
yea i see your "definition". you have yet to cite specific examples of fascism being "right wing". the definition of right wing is small central govt, more power to the states, free market, personal and economic freedom. thats right wing. conservatism is a branch off of libertarian philosophy. conservatism uses govt legislation to control moral behavior and promote judeo-christian beliefs.again, reply with some facts.
No, the definition of conservative is small gov't, etc. A rightists will USE A STRONG CENTRAL GOV'T to protect things he believes in: a race, religion, country, landowners, industry. By your reasoning, many who led large central gov'ts (the Caesars, Charlemagne, Henry VIII, Louis XVI) would be on the left. Judeo-Christian beliefs? Better go read Paine's "The Age of Reason," or the "Jefferson Bible."
government does protect race its called the bill of rights (and later the civil rights amendments of course),government does protect religion its in the bill of rights too, govt does protect country its called national defense/security,govt does protect landowners its called property rights, govt does protect industry this falls under property rights too,this is the philosophy of freedom that our founders wanted.all those monarchs/dicatorships is what started the enlightenment period.
What you just cannot understand is that the crux of a leftist dictatorship is egalitarinism, the redistribution of wealth. Rightwing dictators (European, Latin America, etc) are brought to power by the haves...under Hitler, common worker wages fell by up to 25% by 1938, but taxes on middle class & up remained low.
"For him (Hitler) the Nazi socialist slogans had been mere propaganda, means of winning over the masses on his way to power." - Shirer, "Rise & Fall..." p. 205.
A fascist is ultra "nationalistic", ultra "patriotic, is obsessed with pageantry of the state (making speeches in front of 20 American flags while wearing an American flag tie and lapel pin), a fascist insists party ideology is the foundation of the nation and denounces political opposition as traitors.
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@thesparitan
What Goldberg is attempting is to basically warn people that "totalitarianism" doesn't invariably wear jackboots or wave a red flag. That the totalitarian minded, those who want to control others, boss them around, can impose their beliefs/ideologies on others by force where you allow a state system to develop which facilitates the policing of private life/personal behavior/opinions etc by the state.
zippgun1 1 month ago
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zippgun1 1 month ago
This guy is so sure of himself when he himself is coming out with falsehoods of the sort he accuses Goldberg of making. Hitler wasn't a "protestant"...ever. He was a Catholic. He was ideologically an anti-Christian later, he despised Christianity, but didn't challenge it because it had so many followers and such great influence in Germany. He told his cronies he would leave his fight with the churches till after the war. Hitler himself believed in "god", though not a "Christian" one.
zippgun1 1 month ago
"The Cross must fall if Germany is to live."
Popular slogan of the German Faith Movement who "rejected the 'Jewish' Old Testament and searched for traditional Germanic forms of religious expression."
-Richard Overy, "The Dictators: Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Russia." Page 282.
Consrvatev 3 months ago
"Hitler believed that all religions were 'now decadent'; in Europe it was the 'collapse of christianity that we are now experiencing'...'the dogma of Christianity,' he told Himmler in October 1941, 'gets worn away before the advances of science.'...'[scientific] truth...is the indispensable formulation.'" -Richard Overy, "The Dictators: Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Russia." Page 281.
Consrvatev 3 months ago
LOL! This guy is a jackass. Hey FIST.. He does reference his work, you douchebag. Look at you... chicken shit libtard, you validate the book by making a point of how you must refute it.
gworksnell 6 months ago
LOL! This guy is a jackass.
gworksnell 6 months ago
@mrekbass You ignore a very important factor. Before and after WWI, Europe, and in particular Germany, had become more collectivist than Classically Liberal. This means that your references imply precisely the opposite. Hitler was appealing to the agenda setting worldview in Germany, which by American standards are left winged. In what manner do any of these references challenge the actual policies of the classical fascists? Without that element they cannot address this issue.
gnomesrule19 6 months ago
Excellent work my friend. Please watch the video on my page that I did. It's a bit shoddy, but I think it's good.
DaHonestAbe 6 months ago
Goldberg's book ignores over 100 years of history and the thoughtful unbiased work of tens of thousands of professional historians by simply stating "well. everyone knows academics are liberal so of course they lie about the Nazi's." His claims are asinine and baseless.
Read Mein Kampf, The Rise and Fall, Goebbels diary, Hitlers private and public conversations and several thousand other books that say the Nazi's were right wing. Or believe Goldberg and his 5 sources that say the opposite!
mrekbass 7 months ago
@mrekbass
The Nazis and the Italian fascists were indeed fundamentally socialist. The Nazis being socialists within their racist ideology. This was very common on the "hard left" in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century-America's Jack London is a leading example. The old line conservatives in Germany failed to understand this properly, seeing in fascism merely an extreme nationalism which could be tamed and used against communism. It was a fatal mistake, especially in Germany's case.
zippgun1 1 month ago
@zippgun1
The Nazis and the italian facists were anti socialists. They not only privatized(especially Hitler) industries(banks, shipyards etc) but also supported General Franco against socialists.
MrReco12 1 month ago
Goldberg lied.
1. He said that Black Panthers demand for hiring for Black faculty was a call for "racial purity.
2. He said that the Nazi government was Anti-Christian when Hitler was openly a Christian and preached Christianity.
3. He said the Socialist Party support WWI. They didn't.
4. He said the left wants to "transcend notions of class", contrarily the Left believes in "Class Struggle."
5. He says "revolution" is inherently a leftist ideas.
LIES!
ClevelandFIST 7 months ago
If our presidential candidates lie during elections, why wouldn't Hitler? What you are saying is that their (nazis) actions and intellectual forefathers are less important than what they claimed to be in public. This means that you would trust the words of a infamous liar over his actions. Also Goldberg, regardless of what you think of him is obviously intelligent. I can reasonably guess that you are arrogant (and a hypocrite for also not citing), however you are clearly not stupid.
gnomesrule19 7 months ago
@thesparitan You have not addressed a single point brought forth in this book. Please stop blubbering and back up your opinion. It's only intelligent to address a social disease at some point. Most people are willing to admit that communism is left winged, however many of the same people refuse to recognize the legion of similarities between it and fascism, since it leads to the connect the dot reality represented in "Liberal Fascism".
gnomesrule19 7 months ago
1. The left is tolerant of racism in minorities and often plays the race card without an intelligent reason, and is therefore the party of racism 2. Hitler moved an Alter of Zeus from turkey and modeled his pulpit from it and denounced Christianity in his official book Mein Kampf. 3. Conservatives are classical liberals, therefore their revolutions are distinctly different. Fascists practiced socialism and totalitarianism, which are opposed to classical liberalism. Did you ignore half the book?
gnomesrule19 7 months ago
so if u dont like class why do you as a socialist want a progressive income tax system? it actually destroys.. class mobility?
Bren565 8 months ago
22 people see right through this useful idiot's propaganda.
jlBohica 9 months ago
@jlBohica Ok what was his "propaganda"? I doubt you can actually respond.
thesparitan 9 months ago
libralsim is the total oppisit to facism. do people not get this?
ivantheterrible60 10 months ago
If tea partiers are tea baggers then you guys are fisters! Ha!
xtremejohnny69 10 months ago
First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller
MrReco12 11 months ago
@MrReco12
Again, Communists are DISTINCTLY different from Socialists. However, they are far more totalitarian/authoritarian in my opinion.
AngerIsInMyBlood 11 months ago
@MrReco12
I find it hard to believe that a human could just develop more cranial capacity in just one sequence of sub-species. You would need a million different varieties of humans with seemingly minuscule adaptations before you finally just reached ONE fully changed sub-species.
AngerIsInMyBlood 11 months ago
How could I guess this idiot was just another leftist college activist just by seeing his pale shrimpy face? I guess most liberal pansies share similar qualities...Such as an out of shape body, a pathetic reclusive personality and a pale pasty body...
AngerIsInMyBlood 11 months ago
Really great stuff here man
AmorBravo 1 year ago
If there is ever to be a socialist revolution I hope that they are all as weak and whiney as this turd.
CWSmith1982 1 year ago
First off, I profoundly reject Goldberg's thesis, but Hitler was actually a Catholic, not a Protestant. As for the pagan Nazis deal, I'm pretty sure that was mostly an obsession of Himmler and the higher echelons of the SS. It was not a part of mainstream Nazism, if there can be said to be such a thing.
wolfpax22 1 year ago
idiot
mishaped1 1 year ago
Woaaa, and the support of the ideological left for World War I is well documented. The horrors of World War I are what formed the peacenik positions of the left that led to Hitler's rise to power and the Halocaust.
Protege385 1 year ago
Haha, fight imperialism is in the title of his group. College lefties are cute when they name things.
Protege385 1 year ago
This guy is just another typical leftist from college.
He saw the book and was shocked and so he had to make his fake review, saying it was a book full of lies. FACT: Leftism is anti-democratic.
crocve 1 year ago
@crocve
You idiot!
HItler was a Far right conservatie and a capitalist!
MrReco12 1 year ago
@MrReco12
Clearly, which is why he nationalized almost every industry and set stringent standards for scientific research and academic institutions.
Hitler's acronym NAZI stands for National Socialist (in case you're wondering). You need to pull your head out of your ass and realize that liberals are lying propagandists.
AngerIsInMyBlood 11 months ago
@AngerIsInMyBlood
Hitler privatized industries you idiot! Including: Commerz-Bank, the Dresdner Bank, the Deutsche Bank, Deutsche Schiff-und Machinenbau AG Bremen “Deschimag”, the Deutsche Reichsbahn, Vereinigte Stahlwerke A.G. and other huge corporations.
Epic fail!
LOL, Saddam Hussein used to call his elite the REPUBLICAN guard. And North Korea has the word DEMOCRATIC in its title. God you stupid!
HItler was a murderous rightist dictator who conservatives would have supported!
MrReco12 11 months ago
@MrReco12
The term Republican applies to just more than the party you moron. Rome was a Republic (in case you're wondering). Just because someone USES the name, doesn't mean it actually applies to their political affiliation.
North Korea is officially known as the DEMOCRATIC people's REPUBLIC. And yet they are a totalitarian regime...So I fail to see what point you were trying to convey here...Maybe it was how nauseatingly retarded you are?
AngerIsInMyBlood 11 months ago
@AngerIsInMyBlood
"Just because someone USES the name, doesn't mean it actually applies to their political affiliation."
You destroyed your own argument just than. You tried to prove that The Nazis were socialists because it had the word "Socialist" in its name. Yet, you destroyed your own argument.
Laugh how you quote the PInochet loving Mises instutute hypocrites. Lets see what a capitalist< Albert Krupp, had to say about the Nazis.
MrReco12 11 months ago
"The economy needed a steady or growing development. Because of the rivalries between the many political parties in Germany and the general disorder there was no opportunity for prosperity. ... We thought that Hitler would give us such a healthy environment. Indeed he did do that. ... We Krupps never cared much about [political] ideas. We only wanted a system that worked well and allowed us to work unhindered"
-Albert Krupp: head of Krupp industries
MrReco12 11 months ago
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@MrReco12
"-Albert Krupp: head of Krupp industries"
I fail to see what this comment was meant to illustrate, considering that it does not give any indication that Hitler was a Capitalist. In fact, if anything, it illuminates how much of a Socialist he really was. He didn't give private businesses the room or freedom they needed to grow and prosper.
AngerIsInMyBlood 11 months ago
@MrReco12
The DEMOCRATS actually fought for the south during the Civil War.
"Government financing eventually dominated private investment; in the 1933–34 biennium, the proportion of private securities issued diminished from more than 50 per cent of the total, to approximately 10 per cent in the 1935–38 quadrennium." - (an excerpt from an article pertaining to Hitler's regulated economy).
AngerIsInMyBlood 11 months ago
@MrReco12
"Heavy profit taxes limited self-financing companies, and the largest companies (usually government contractors) mostly were exempted from paying taxes on profits—in practice, however, government control allowed “only the shell of private ownership” in the Third Reich economy." (I guess this would explain your phenomenon of a few privately owned industries which you claim somehow assert that NAZIs were capitalists).
AngerIsInMyBlood 11 months ago
@AngerIsInMyBlood
Rightwing hero General Fracno had to say this about Hitler when he died in Berlin:
"Adolf Hitler, son of the Catholic Church, died while defending Christianity.
MrReco12 10 months ago
@MrReco12
Lol, how was Hitler in any way a Conservative, when the whole concept of Conservatism is too lessen the influence of the government? You are a fucking moron.
Liberalism on the other hand is DEVOTED to expanding the government. Learn political theory you fucking idiot.
AngerIsInMyBlood 11 months ago
@AngerIsInMyBlood
That's Libertarianism you idiot. Arguing with an idiot is a waste of time!
MrReco12 11 months ago
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@MrReco12
"That's Libertarianism you idiot. Arguing with an idiot is a waste of time!"
Moron, when I refer to MYSELF as an affiliate of the party, I don't describe myself as a "libertarianism". I say LIBERTARIAN. How fucking stupid are you? Learn the English language.
AngerIsInMyBlood 11 months ago
@AngerIsInMyBlood
If what you said was true: conservaties would be
-pro pedophile rights
-pro free distribution of child pornography
- pro gay marriage
-pro abortion
-for less military spending
- in favour of allowing humans to marry animals
etc.
MrReco12 11 months ago
@MrReco12
Lol, how ironic, considering it is Conservatives who keep stringent regulations on free speech concerning immoral acts which conflict with other people's rights.
Liberals restrict rights where it counts and allow immoral, degrading behavior throughout society...But as long as it doesn't conflict with their own perceptions of reality (as if the Republicans are the only ones responsible for such stupidity).
And FYI: I'm a libertarian. NOT a Republican. So stop barking up that tree.
AngerIsInMyBlood 11 months ago
@AngerIsInMyBlood
In the workplace, Hitler actually abolished the minimum wage and decent work conditions, indeed he gave the emplyer more rights to treat their emplyees anyway they sae fit. . Winston Churchill 's economic polices were far more socialist than the polices of HItler and Mussolini.
MrReco12 11 months ago
@MrReco12
Lol, do you honestly think that Soviet Russia gave workers adequate living and working conditions either? People were sent to the Gulags (instead of concentration camps), does that make Soviet Russia any less Communist?
How many Unions do you think existed during Soviet Russia's reign? Considering that the employer was the state, I see no reason a totalitarian regime WOULDN'T incorporate such policies under a Socialist or Communist regime.
AngerIsInMyBlood 11 months ago
@MrReco12
"And FYI: I'm a libertarian. NOT a Republican. So stop barking up that tree."
That is my comment, in case you forget how the word is SPELLED and USED in a conversation. God, you are insufferable. You probably just googled the term libertarian and came up with the word libertarianism and assumed that that was the only way to describe the party.
Remember, there is a CONSERVATIVE and CONSERVATISM. DIP SHIP.
AngerIsInMyBlood 11 months ago
@AngerIsInMyBlood
Firstly, when the soviets took over russia the trade union movements was non existent, they were oppressed by the Tsar, and they simply used the gulags when the Tsars old political prisoners used to be kept. Whilist their was a strong trade union movment in germany, which was crushed in the name of established economic interests.
Krupp said the the Nazis pro capitalist polices helped his business boom and he recieved record profits.
MrReco12 11 months ago
@MrReco12
Last I checked, the excerpt from Krupp's statement said quite the contrary. He was claiming that Hitler's economic standards were detrimental to his capitalist interests.
I think you should read the statement you cited and see how ironic it is that you used it as an example.
They didn't SIMPLY use the Gulags. They used them CONSISTENTLY to silent all political dissidents (any trade unions included).
Last I checked, the Bolshevik revolution was inspired by Union ideologies.
AngerIsInMyBlood 11 months ago
@AngerIsInMyBlood
"The economy needed a steady or growing development. Because of the rivalries between the many political parties in Germany and the general disorder there was no opportunity for prosperity. ... We thought that Hitler would give us such a healthy environment. Indeed he did do that"
He said Hitler gave his business a healthy environment to function.
Epic fail!
MrReco12 11 months ago
@MrReco12
Apparently you misread the quote moron. He says...And I QUOTE:
"Because of the rivalries between the many political parties in Germany and the general disorder there was no opportunity for prosperity. ... We thought that Hitler would give us such a healthy environment. Indeed he did do that"
Notice how he informs the reader that they EXPECTED Hitler to give them a competitive market that was conducive to growing a business but later explains that he DID NOT.
Epic fail at reading.
AngerIsInMyBlood 10 months ago
@AngerIsInMyBlood
"INDEED HE DID DO THAT"
Where's the not?
You are such a laughable idiot that i almost feel sorry for you!
MrReco12 10 months ago
@MrReco12
""INDEED HE DID DO THAT""
Go read the excerpt yourself. It was a typo. The quote is conclusive in it's assessment regarding how Hitler NEGATED economic competitiveness.
AngerIsInMyBlood 1 month ago
@MrReco12
Nonsense. The Soviets built a massive Gulag system which dwarfed anything that had existed before and the numbers of political and other prisoners were millions more in the first few decades of Bolshevik rule than in centuries of Czarism. Millions of murders too. Lenin, Stalin and co survived their comparatively short cushy imprisonments by the Czar's regime-they would never have survived their own Soviet camps or Cheka executioners.
zippgun1 1 month ago
@zippgun1 If that was his motives I would support what he was saying but that isn't at all. He is just a propagandist and yes Hitler was not anti-Christian. "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."[21]
Hitler.
thesparitan 1 month ago
@zippgun1
Never forget that German conservatives set up extermination camps in Africa during the 19th century. The extermination of the Herero was just one example.
MrReco12 1 month ago
@MrReco12
I doubt you realize how consistent Hitler was concerning the Socialist agenda fool. His party's name doesn't just imply the standard of government regulation but fulfills it's obligations.
He attended rallies before he was even elected for the Socialist party and allowed himself to become indoctrinated.
It was liberal progressives and their theory of evolution which inspired him to become a bigot. He believed that evolution dictated that Whites were a superior race.
AngerIsInMyBlood 11 months ago
@AngerIsInMyBlood
Most people belive in evolution now a days, even those who believe in god, you fool!
MrReco12 11 months ago
@MrReco12
However, NEW evidence (which the scientific community disregards) indicates that for the process of evolution to possibly transpire, you would need BILLION and TRILLIONS of years (possibly to the googolplex power).
You would also need a BILLION different varieties of species as well as a one in a million chance that they would consistently develop certain traits that were beneficial to their survival (that's like winning the lottery a million times in a row by chance).
AngerIsInMyBlood 11 months ago
@MrReco12
Hitler and Mussolini both had extremely intricate ties with the Socialist party. They would not have the incentive to divert from their traditional ideologies.
AngerIsInMyBlood 11 months ago
@AngerIsInMyBlood
Socialists were the first victims of the concentration camps you laughable joke. HA HA! Your too easy :)
MrReco12 11 months ago
@MrReco12
Idiot, Socialists who didn't coincide with Hitler's plan. Socialists and Communists were in conflict with each other. As well as Socialists with OTHER Socialists...Such as JEWISH Socialists, or GAY Socialists.
That doesn't mean Hitler DESPISED Socialism.
AngerIsInMyBlood 11 months ago
@AngerIsInMyBlood
Hitler's actions and poclies showed that he was one of the most ardent oppoents of socialism to ever exist.
MrReco12 11 months ago
Im pretty sure it that when Hitler met with the protestant church he lost it with them and Denounced them as the enemys of Germany?
NapalmPuppet 1 year ago
This so-called "dissection" was well-intended, but quickly dissolved from "lies" to "things I personally disagree with and want to rant about". You should be more organized in your presentation, because (as your body language shows) even you realized that you were engaged in an unorganized rant (the very thing you claimed to despise....the very premise of your "dissection").
antimarxism 1 year ago
Exactly how can socialism work, you know given the fact that every time its ever been tried it results in human misery. Look at Venezuela for god sake. How can any rational person believe in socialism?
jjrglobal 1 year ago
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"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's?
capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions" - Adolph Hitler (Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
@bonfirejovi You're quoting things he said before he was in power. All the leftist rhetoric that was used had been an effort to woo working class people that normally voted for leftist parties.
"In his speech to the nation from the sportpalast in berlin on 10th feb 1933, Hitler asserted his intention to destroy the "Marxist threat" of both communism and socialism" ibid p25 ;-)
It was leftist rhetoric before their rise to power, but rightist economics once in power.
DaHonestAbe 1 year ago
@bonfirejovi
Your shockingly dumb
"We shall protect private enterprise as the most expedient, or rather the sole possible, economic order." -- Adolf Hitler"
-1926
"capitalists had worked their way to the top through their capacity, and on the basis of this selection they have the right to lead."
-Adolf Hitler 1928
MrReco12 1 year ago
@MrReco12
Something ANYONE should know about Hitler is that he was a MASTER of manipulation. He would say one thing and then another. He contradicted himself a thousand times over and did exactly the opposite of what he professed to his people.
AngerIsInMyBlood 11 months ago
What has Ron Paul got to do with this inane book? You realise he is against corporatism and defense contracts right? I mean you talk about this book misrepresenting and then you go ahead with your strawmans. Also a libertarian is the exact opposite of a fascist authoritarian so your point about them wanting to bring about fascism makes NO sense.
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
Can we all agree that Woodrow Wilson is the second worst president of all time (we all know who is first... B***).
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
FDR raised the gov piece of the US from 9% to 19%
Hitler raised the gov piece of Germany to 44%
Obama has raised the gov piece of the US from 29% to 45%.
The majority of Americans are so mad at Obama for expanding gov that they are about to explode.
Let us hope with can take out the trash with the democratic process, not violence.
tnekkc 1 year ago
Uh, Hitler was actually Catholic, not Protestant.
Not that it matters, since it's all Christianity.
Thesterness 1 year ago
So a stupid Commie student is somehow an authority to disprove empirical historical fact? Everything Goldberg stated about Marxist is ABSOLUTE FACT! Not conjecture, not opinion, but historical FACT. NO other system has produced more misery and death than Marxism and no system has produced a greater standard of living and technological development than the US model of CAPITALISM and Representative Republicanism.
Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Castro, Chez, Pol Pott et al. MURDERED over 100 MILLION people.
Clarkecars 1 year ago
@Clarkecars No Communist gvmnt that you cite ever was truely Communist. If you look at the basic history of the Russian Revolution you can see how Lenin immediatly betrayed the concept of Marxism and flipped it on it's head, putting the state in charge of industry when the workers were supposed to be in charge. If actual Communism had been implimented or if the Mensheviks had been put into power, things might've turned out much differently. Dont call those governments Marxist when they weren't.
Fudgey123873434 1 year ago
@Clarkecars
A commie student can make a youtube video.
Hitler could write a book.
tnekkc 1 year ago
@Clarkecars
No you are wrong because everything you said is a lie and the opposite is true.
macwild1234 1 year ago
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I think you need to look up the definition of transcend.....
Drog007 1 year ago
This makes a lot of sense. I'm glad there are people on you tube putting 2 and 2 together and not getting 5.
efarmer385 1 year ago
Hitler hit 44% of GDP spending.
Obama hit 45%.
There for Obama is more liberal than Hitler.
Hitler's first day effort was animal rights.
Rationalism?
How about the Global warming hoax?
tnekkc 1 year ago
@tnekkc Don't compare Obama to Hitler fucking dumbass. It gets old fast.
Fudgey123873434 1 year ago
@Fudgey123873434
Obama acting like Hitler has got old fast.
tnekkc 1 year ago
@tnekkc How exactly does Obama act like a fascist dictator who murdered millions?
Fudgey123873434 1 year ago
@Fudgey123873434
Obama is stealing half of my life with regulations and taxes.
That is like slavery.
Add all those lives, and Obama has cost more life hours.
He is jerking us around and wasting our lives and he believes in global warming, gun control, socialized medicine, and Keynesian economics.
I guess Hitler did not believe in global warming, but if he were alive today, he would be in bed with the other liberals who do.
tnekkc 1 year ago
@tnekkc First of all, what part of your life has Obama regulated? Is he keeping you from doing something or making certain decisions that you couldn't before? Second, the only thing Obama has regulated is the corruption by big corporations to take risks with taxpayer money, which is YOUR money. By the way, he is lowering YOUR taxes, and giving the 98% of Americans (or, at least, most of them) tax cuts. If the Bush tax cuts are extended, you will continue to get taxed. Get your facts straight.
LibertyInProgress 1 year ago
@LibertyInProgress
Obama signed the health care reform which is the biggest hit to freedom in the history of the USA.
We need to stop being so polite to liberals before we are all dead.
tnekkc 1 year ago
@tnekkc Who are these "we" who are polite to liberals? I have not yet encountered a non-liberal who was anywhere near to "polite" to liberals.
aaronsande 1 year ago
@aaronsande
Good.
We have been too polite for too long and the liberals have been wrecking everything.
We need to get nasty.
This has become serious.
This is like Russia in 1917, the collectivist Obama is destroying the US and doing it fast.
tnekkc 1 year ago
@tnekkc You act as if you haven't noticed all the attacks on liberals. You're as dishonest as any other rightwinger.
aaronsande 1 year ago
@aaronsande
Here is the honest truth.
There have not been ENOUGH attacks on liberals.
They are not just bad boys breaking windows.
The liberals are doing serious damage.
tnekkc 1 year ago
@tnekkc Bring your guns then, bad boy. Take matters in to your own hands. Take ACTION.
aaronsande 1 year ago
@tnekkc Looking at the rest of your comments here, I will inform you that you and others like you are the primary reason I am pro-choice.
aaronsande 1 year ago
@aaronsande
I am pro choice too, for everyone else's decedents.
I am pro integration too, for those with engineering degrees.
tnekkc 1 year ago
@tnekkc You're a deeply paranoid individual. Obama has not raised taxes. The only regulations that his administration has sought to put in place are regulations on financial fraud. Are you saying that you enjoy financial and consumer fraud? That these types of larceny should be legal? The power to tax is given to Congress in the constitution, and our taxes are determined by law. So do you think we should abandon the rule of law? Taxes are not slavery. You are brainwashed.
jumpoutatree 1 year ago
father coughlin opposed both capitalism and communism as you can see in one of his videos where he bashes the federal reserve.
scatcoitus 1 year ago
@scatcoitus like you dont miss how american fascism is explicitely anti-fascist just because they were the "other team" in ww2, not because they actually disagree with fascist ideas, including making a show of getting angry at the decadent rich up until the decadent rich buy them out, thats like how its happened every time fascists came to power
CajunCommie 1 year ago
father coughlin was a populist which makes him neither right nor left
scatcoitus 1 year ago
@scatcoitus thats not true, anti-corporate populism which is also anti-communism is almost always proto-fascist. the european fascists made their way with the lumpenproletariat by bashing major corporations, who then bought out the fascist movement once it became useful to do so, and then they got sweet heart government contracts for their investment
CajunCommie 1 year ago
And, where are your citations to back up your claims that he is wrong?
I love the bait and switch tactics liberals use.
duvexy 1 year ago
Some of Jonah Goldbergs lies:
1.) Fascists believe in using government to make the world a better place.
2.) The term "totalitarianism" was coined by Mussolini.
3.) Father Coughlin was a man of the left.
4.) The main Nazi sympathizers are on the left.
5.) Joe McCarthy wasn't in any way fascistic.
DaHonestAbe 1 year ago
@DaHonestAbe Joe McCarthy was about as fascist as you can get. Talk about an Orwellian character brought to life!
Fudgey123873434 1 year ago
@Fudgey123873434 I love the dumbass right wingers who can't even take responsibility for right wing despotism. I realize that the left has it's despots (stalin, mao, pol pot, quaddafi, etc.) But so does the right (Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Pavelec, Suharto, Pinochet, Mubutu, etc.) But these thumbsucking fools think everything holier than thou is on the right, and everything despotic is on the left. Talk about fucking blindness.
DaHonestAbe 1 year ago
@DaHonestAbe Sorry the left killed A LOT more people than the right did. Also what is your definition of right wing??? I view it from a market liberalization point of view as economic issues are the most important and by that token Hitler, Franco and Mussolini had heavy central planning, regulation and 4 year plans... none of which was economically right wing. Pinochet on the other hand was a market liberal and thus a right winger, he shared nothing with Hitler and Mussolini economically.
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
@bonfirejovi First of all, most economies are centrally planned even with talk of the mythical "free market." And Pinochet was bailing out troubled firms including media outlets well past the time he was put into power. And those so called "regulations" had no effect on business and were even in fact welcomed because labor had been brutalized and castrated. The regulators themselves were people from the financial sectors and they made sure the rich got richer. The average income of the (cont)
DaHonestAbe 1 year ago
@DaHonestAbe went up by 46% under Hitler. And these despots were supported by the right wing in europe (Churchill, Chamberlain, the Duke and Duchess of Windsor, etc.) And yes these were economically right wing because they aggrandized business as they bullied and fazed out labor. There were also mass privatizations that took place in Italy (1922-25) and in Germany (1930's.) Read "Against the Mainstream: Nazi Privatization in the1930" and "The first privatization: Selling of State owned (cont)
DaHonestAbe 1 year ago
@DaHonestAbe and Privatizing public monopolies in Fascist Italy (1922-25.)
These are economic studies that show how Mussolini were in support of business and used the state to beat down dissent. Yes man, it was "right wing", mainly because of their surpression of the left. You want to read an actual book about fascism? Read "The anatomy of Fascism" by Robert O. Paxton. He also debunked this nonsense by Jonah. Anyways, have a nice day.
DaHonestAbe 1 year ago
@DaHonestAbe So corporate welfare is right wing? I thought market liberals didn't play favourites. What about Hitler's 4 year plans. I don't get my info from Goldberg.
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
@bonfirejovi Yeah, what about Hitler's 4 year plan?
NONE of the economic principles were even talked about being put into action after they were written. "A pseudo-socialist note was sounded by the demand for abolition of unearned incomes, the confiscation of war profits... It was a typical FAR-RIGHT document of its time. In practice it did not mean very much," Richard J Evans, "The Coming of the Third Reich". p179
You need to seperate fascist rhetoric from fascist action.
DaHonestAbe 1 year ago
@bonfirejovi All you're doing is redefining left and right wing politics. Market liberalization as an identifier is interesting, but not historically accurate.
johnedwards1968 1 year ago
@johnedwards1968 research classical liberals and what liberal means in continental europe. i dont think there is an accepted definition of left and right. everything i say is historically accurate.
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
@johnedwards1968 Which classical liberals are you talking about? Economics liberals are more in line with modern conservatives. Social liberals are MUCH more in line with libertarians.
The liberal boogie-man that so many so-called "conservatives" bash, falls much more into the traditional conservative role, than it's painted.
Modern conservatism is all hype and no substance.
johnedwards1968 1 year ago
nazi party wasn't right or left. this guy and goldberg are both wrong. adolf hitler and nazi party hated both communism and capitalism. hitler thought of economics as secondary to nationalism and statism. he thought economics had no significance at all. if you read mein kampf , he doesn't talk about economics and that is why people are confused about his economics. he apparently didnt have economic views. what ever was good for the state, the race and nation would good for hitler.
scatcoitus 1 year ago
i love how students always believe they know things. like their liberal teachers know all, teach all. college these days is not a place of independent thinkers its a indoctrination pool. the second any of my teachers tried opening their yaps and talking about politics or socialism i would actually warn them. walking out if a i had to. and that's in high school!
gibblets17 1 year ago
#DrCruel
Hitler wanted to return to the days of German power. Hence the name of the empire "The Third Reich"(1st reich was the holy roman empire, 2nd was Bismarks/Kiaser Wilhelm II).
An appeal to tradition!
Conservatives ARE FASCISTS.
Look at their love for the more modern fascist dictatorships: Franco and Pinochet
The only reason why they say Hitler and Mussolini were "lefties" is because they lost.
MrReco12 1 year ago
...you gotta the love the irony of the F.I.S.T. t-shirt
bbmmkk 1 year ago
Another bright-eyed college kid repeating what his professor told him like gospel, having no clue what he's talking about. It's funny how he complains about lack of citations when all throughout the video he makes wild generalizations about those who he politically disagrees with... The ability of leftists to mentally whitewash the events of 20th century leftism never cease to amaze me... There is virtually no difference between communism and fascism other than the issue of internationalism.
bbmmkk 1 year ago
Goldberg claims that socialists supported WW I - and then relentlessly mentions a series of pro-war socialists to prove his point (with footnotes). He claims that Hitler was not "conservative" because he was a revolutionary. Hitler was not trying to preserve the German status quo but rather to usurp and overthrow it. And so on.
This is not so much the case with liberals or conservatives, but with Marxist fanatics one must always fact check. In my experience they are habitual liars.
DrCruel 1 year ago
Does this freedom hating fascist ever look in the mirror? He needs to accept that he is a liberal fascist and a hypocrite.
F.I.S.T. ?? Oh to be a young and openminded student.....you are young and do not have a fucking clue you douchenozzle! Give yourself a latelatelate term abortion!
meanranger 1 year ago
I agree with everything except for saying ron paul wants fascism. He wants free markets, and to make sure our money is backed by something tangible, like gold. I believe other politicians may want to bring authoritarian leadership to the country, but not ron paul.
Hisdudness2 1 year ago
I read the back of Liberal Fascism and when I was in the book shop, I reckon I debunked 90% of the book from it.
robertrulebirtannia 2 years ago
I'v read 'Liberal Fascism' - it's Excellent, I recomment it to everyone.
RicoRichmond 2 years ago
I love how you just take it for granted that the government should eliminate all personal freedom to the point of dietary choice if it wants to build an army. Typical socialist logic.
(Also the conquer "the world" part is hyperbolic.)
SardonicSkeptic 2 years ago
So what is "left wing" and what is "right wing"?
Americaisgreat123 2 years ago
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kalliemist 2 years ago
i like this review. kill them with facts
thesparitan 2 years ago
You are falling into the same pattern here by using leftist/rightists liberals/conservative hyperbole.
You can't take the creationists movements and then let that be a all compassing traits for every "conservative".
This is the problem with the "conservative" and "liberal"(the american version) terms.
They are far to vauge to mean something, yet they are used to generalise everyone that fall into that category.
Its just stupid and demagouging politics.
slitor 2 years ago
My mistake, pardon me, I thought you were referring to John Toland the philosopher. Never heard of the author.
I know who William Shirer is, and I'm quite familiar with his brick of a book. Shirer's book was criticized by intellectuals and historians the world over as being heavy on lofty rhetoric and weak on historical substance. It was written from a journalists perspective, ignoring the sort of important contextual details considered relevant by scholars.
LuckyPierre78 2 years ago
Shirer's book ignores history, Toland died 230 years before WW2, and Bullock was a socialist himself. You've muddied the waters with half-baked rationalizing on the right-wing nature of nazism, you must understand that the German economy was under Hitler's thumb. Industry produced what he DEMANDED they produce. If you can look beyond the fact that it may not have been the typical "worker's paradise" you'll see that it boiled down to the same old socialist tenet of state control over the economy.
LuckyPierre78 2 years ago
Historian John Toland, Pulitzer Prize winner and author of "Adolf Hitler," c. 1976from Doubleday.
Shirer's book ignores history? The man lived & reported for 6 years from the Reich. "Now, as never before, the living witnesses can converge with the historical truth. All they need is a historian. In William L. Shirer they have found one.... - Dr. Hugh Trevor Roper, one of the world's leading experts on Nazi Germany.
ciraldofan 2 years ago
It's sad. The fellow in this video is clearly a bright individual, what's shameful is how utterly misguided he is. This is the product of an incestuous, irresponsible, overwhelmingly leftist academia that should know better. Who's ever heard of a right wing revolution? Red Dawn doesn't count because it's just a movie, but it's worth noting for the sake of argument that the film evoked a scenario wherein Americans pressed back against foreign invaders. It wasn't a revolutionary film at ALL.
LuckyPierre78 2 years ago
Leftist academics fled Germany by the boatloads in the early 1930s. And u are right.... rightwing dicatatorships are not revolutionary....they are reactionary. Hitler had more in common with Henry VIII (who also did not advocate equality or redistribution of wealth, but did have his dungeons & torture chambers) than with any communists, socialists, or other leftists.
ciraldofan 2 years ago
Yes, and Hitler insisted that he was a revolutionary. Revolution is solely the product of the international left. Hitler didn't seek to return to a previous form of government as reactionaries do, he didn't want to co-opt, he wanted to destroy perception and recreate.
LuckyPierre78 2 years ago
Yeah, a "revolutionary" who killed social democrats (socialists) & communists; played footsie with church hierarchy; was funded by wealthy capitalists; was hated by American leftists (who fought him by volunteering in the Abe Lincoln Brigade during Spain's Civil War); was hated by all noted leftists, like Charlie Chaplin... Nazi Germany was a military-industrial-gov't triangle, not a socialistic, workers paradise. Expand your reading beyond Goldberg...Toland, Bullock, Shirer, etc. Please.
ciraldofan 2 years ago
Well, he's on Glenn Beck's show every other day and edits National Review, a big conservative magazine.
One would think so.
ClevelandFIST 2 years ago
Does Jonah Goldberg honestly expect anyone to take him seriously? Please answer this.
fatcatsathat 2 years ago
He is infinitely wiser than you or the young, naive socialist above. His book is exhaustively researched. That his book has sold so well should be a clear indication that many people do in fact take him seriously.
LuckyPierre78 2 years ago
By means of shrewd lies, it is possible to make one believe that heaven is hell and hell and heaven. The greater the lie, the more readily it is to be believed.
fatcatsathat 2 years ago
Wow, you are so wrong about me. I'm an atheist and Eurasian. Some relatives in my family have nordic noses and brunette hair. In standardized I.Q. tests Eurasians on average score the highest among all three racial groups Mongoloid, Caucasian and Negroid. So much for your "theories" on racial purity. Oh, and also on standard I.Q. tests Mongoloids score the highest among "pure" races. So much for Caucasian superiority.
joesub007 2 years ago
Wow, that's very observant and sophisticated of you to think that. Did you come up with that all by yourself? Do you know anything about sarcasm and comedy or is your brain too primitive to understand such concepts? Those films are making fun of pseudo-socialist nazis like you. In short it is making fun of you and your kind who think that some brute smacking the shit out of you until you become a psychopath is a sign of strength.
joesub007 2 years ago
Goldberg clearly is trying to argue that conservatives/libertarians are not "fascists". Fascism is associated with the LEFT not the RIGHT. Right Wing is classical liberalism. To call a conservative fascist is historically inaccurate. Right wingers want the separation of state and economy as Ayn Rand says it.The state as an umpire NOT as a participant.Mussolini, Hitler, FDR,and OBAMA want the merging of the two. Public-Private partnership/Mixed Economy/ The Third Way.
Libertarian71776 2 years ago
Libertarian71776
Please educate yourself.
A fascist is:
fas.cist [fash-ist]
-noun
1. a person who believes in or sympathizes with fascism.
2. (often initial capital letter) a member of a fascist movement or party.
3. a person who is dictatorial or has extreme right-wing views.
fascism is a right wing thing, period.
mizilus 2 years ago
wow. awesome research skills. the definition made me laugh, really. extreme right wing is anarchy. extreme left wing is full government control (communism/socialism). fascism is on the left because of the amount of government control over the private sector. sooo educate YOURSELF on the economic/social policies of hitler/mussolini. you'll be surprised how anti-liberal (classical liberalism) they really were.
Libertarian71776 2 years ago
Libertarian71776
fascists are right wing. Period. Deal with it.
And all one has to do is look at how republicans operate to confirm it.
mizilus 2 years ago
lol i used to say the same things as you. i was indoctrinated to think far right was fascism,so i decided to research a little bit.i read some books about the progressive movements and its intellectual roots.and then i read some quotes from mussolini and hitler themselves.i came to the conclusion that they were really more LEFT than RIGHT..which is the ideology of John Locke.Mussonlin/hitler practiced "third way" economics where the state steers the private sector..regulation,price controls etc.
Libertarian71776 2 years ago
Republican is just a label. Nixon was a "republican" and is a progressive by today's standard. JFK was a "democrat" and cut taxes. Bush was a progressive by the way he governed.increases govt spending domestic/foreign,spreading democracy,patriot act,bailouts etc.the left has its intellectual roots in fascism.just research wilson and fdr policies during that time.fascism wasnt frowned at; it was praised.if you want some specific policies just keep replying with your weak comebacks. :)
Libertarian71776 2 years ago
Libertarian71776
I posted the definition and have watched for years how republicans operate. If you need more evidence then listen to mark levin and then watch one of hitlers speeches.
mizilus 2 years ago
Nazis on the left....good grief. Only in today's America...."But wasn't his party called National Socialist"? This is, of course, a ploy whereby any gov't that rules people absolutely & ruthlessly is automatically to be put on the far left. Remember: left bad, right good. Guess that means Nero, Charlemagne & Louis XIV were lefties. Yeah, ole Lefty Louis & Cool Cat Charley. They were almost as far left as Hippy Hitler.
ciraldofan 2 years ago
lol you again.still havent accepted modern american liberalism has its intellectual roots in fascism. remember fascism was praised until Hitler/Mussolini started getting militant.progressives loved fascism, it got things done.
Libertarian71776 2 years ago
There is no doubt that early on, there were leftists who embraced Italian Fascism....but it moved to the right, just as National "Socialism" did. Hitler was brought to power by industrialists who wanted low taxes, and they got low taxes. Why do you think Hitler was loved by the German Middle class & up? Why do you think American rightists, Henry Ford, Charles A. Lindbergh, Prescott Bush, said nice things about the "New Germany"? Leftists spread wealth...Nazis never did.
ciraldofan 2 years ago
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler
(Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)
Libertarian71776 2 years ago
"Whoever is prepared to make the national cause his own to such an extent that he knows no higher ideal than the welfare of his nation; whoever has understood our great national anthem, "Deutshland ueber Alles," to mean that nothing in the wide world surpasses in his eyes this Germany, people and land - that man is a socialist." - Shirer, "Rise & Fall," p 85.
"There are no revolutions except racial revolutions; there cannot be a political, economic, or social revolution." AH, Bullock, p 157.
ciraldofan 2 years ago
omg, every political leader is brought to power by industrialists.its called lobbying! Obama is brought to power by industrialists, is he right wing? absolutely not. national socialist is "right wing socialism" thats why the left got pissed off when they went invading everybody.the progressive movement was the merging of govt and business.industrialists loves capitalism but hate it when they're bout to go outta business! even capitalist economists agree with that.
Libertarian71776 2 years ago 2
"His (Hitler's) adversaries, therefore, took advantage of his absence in Berlin (where he was consolidating ties in that area with conservatives, nationalists & right-wing radicals).... - Toland, "Adolf Hitler,", p. 111.
"On July 18, 1936, a handful of right-wing generals, headed by Francisco Franco (Hitler's pal), led a revolt against the Republic. Communists & liberal groups...supported Republican militia, while Fasicsts & conservatives backed Franco." - Sulzberger, "World War II," p. 17.
ciraldofan 2 years ago
yea i see your "definition". you have yet to cite specific examples of fascism being "right wing". the definition of right wing is small central govt, more power to the states, free market, personal and economic freedom. thats right wing. conservatism is a branch off of libertarian philosophy. conservatism uses govt legislation to control moral behavior and promote judeo-christian beliefs.again, reply with some facts.
Libertarian71776 2 years ago
No, the definition of conservative is small gov't, etc. A rightists will USE A STRONG CENTRAL GOV'T to protect things he believes in: a race, religion, country, landowners, industry. By your reasoning, many who led large central gov'ts (the Caesars, Charlemagne, Henry VIII, Louis XVI) would be on the left. Judeo-Christian beliefs? Better go read Paine's "The Age of Reason," or the "Jefferson Bible."
ciraldofan 2 years ago
government does protect race its called the bill of rights (and later the civil rights amendments of course),government does protect religion its in the bill of rights too, govt does protect country its called national defense/security,govt does protect landowners its called property rights, govt does protect industry this falls under property rights too,this is the philosophy of freedom that our founders wanted.all those monarchs/dicatorships is what started the enlightenment period.
Libertarian71776 2 years ago
What you just cannot understand is that the crux of a leftist dictatorship is egalitarinism, the redistribution of wealth. Rightwing dictators (European, Latin America, etc) are brought to power by the haves...under Hitler, common worker wages fell by up to 25% by 1938, but taxes on middle class & up remained low.
"For him (Hitler) the Nazi socialist slogans had been mere propaganda, means of winning over the masses on his way to power." - Shirer, "Rise & Fall..." p. 205.
ciraldofan 2 years ago
Libertarian71776
A fascist is ultra "nationalistic", ultra "patriotic, is obsessed with pageantry of the state (making speeches in front of 20 American flags while wearing an American flag tie and lapel pin), a fascist insists party ideology is the foundation of the nation and denounces political opposition as traitors.
mizilus 2 years ago
you just described every political party in the world. good job...
no really, what is fascism accor