Holder Says Definition Of "Lying" To Congress Depends On "State Of Mind"

[Jollycoolwater]

Because Eric Holder happens to be black, we should for the sake of "political correctness", let this slide -- even though a public servant died as a result of it and that he's lying point blank to Congress as well as to all the hard working tax payer who paid for his mansion and all the luxuries of life.

[srexob715]

@Jollycoolwater he's lying point blank to Congress"

Again, he is not lying. You clearly just don't understand. Now let's find out if you are capable of understanding. Holder clearly explained the process in how those letters were drafted, that were sent to the Congressional committee, and contained inaccurate information.

[srexob715]

@Jollycoolwater Here is a clear example. Of all the shirts you own, which one did you wear on Jan. 11 of this year. Now, if you tell me the blue one, but we find out that you wore the white one..........are you lying or are you just wrong? It depends on your state of mind on whether you INTENDED to provide wrong information because you really thought you did wear the blue one OR because you intended to deceive us for some reason.

[srexob715]

@Jollycoolwater So Holder and his staff provided wrong information. You say it was with the intent to deceive(a lie), I say it was because they really thought they right(wrong).

Second, there is no PROOF to either side, it is based on whether you already had a positive opinion of the current administration or a negative one. You have a negative one!

Thinking BO is trying to destroy the country will only allow this to play into that narrative.

[srexob715]

@Jollycoolwater And WHO said let this slide..........b/c he's black? THE REPUBLICANS, not the democrats. This goes to show that it is the republicans that always want to make race an issue and then project that onto the Democrats.

Its vile and just plain evil.

[Jollycoolwater]

@srexob715 Anyone who can watch Eric Holder clearly lying in all these clips, and still try to defend him is either a total idiot or just plain evil.

[srexob715]

@Jollycoolwater And Holder has clearly explained how he is not lying. Anyone trying to claim that he is.............is either one big dumb ass or just a piss poor liar!

[srexob715]

Holder is right. It does depend on your state of mind. If you are in the state of mind that your intent is to deceive, then providing wrong information is clearly lying. If you are in the state of mind that what you are providing is the truth, then you are only wrong; not lying!

[Jollycoolwater]

@srexob715 So a person, who did actually robbed a bank, professes that he did not rob a bank under oath is only wrong and not lying at all simply because he was in a state of mind of providing the truth? You sir, as well as Eric Holder, are a couple of idiots trying to use silly philosophy to obstruct justice.

[srexob715]

@Jollycoolwater Well, provide me with an instance or scenario that would prove me wrong by showing that "intent" is not a requirement of a lie. Asking me a question doesn't prove me wrong, it only proves that you don't understand; hence your reason for asking it.

[theundeadbatman]

TREASON

THE PEOPLE WILL NOT FORGET THIS

[steroidcupcake]

this cunt should be in jail

[Muzzy337]

Holder is a lying dirtbag. Fire his sorry ass now and get it over with.

[maxred222]

Obama and Holder....dumb and dumber

[SuedeSkillz]

Ignorance is an excuse...;)

[11301920]

REMOVE this ASSHOLE lying son of bitch NOW. GUILTY.........

[GNut1980]

why dont they just give eric holder a lie detector test the same way they force it on the resof us.

[kakonis]

That depends on what your definition of "is" is.

[TopInfadel]

Funny That POS ass lick Eric Holder is worried about minority voter rights but deosn't prosecute the Black Panthers for voter intimidation. What a useless piece of shit racist cocksucker. Fuck You Holder you Black Cocksucker.

[AlliedForcesWW3]

One more year and we can say goodbye to the most anti-American president in history and to the most anti-American attorney general in history.

Vote ***A B O*** in 2012

Vote ***R E D*** in 2012

[heartlessvietboy]

What is all this signing of bills on TV that you see?

[Jononutoob]

Holder looks like a dog. A political stooge who has been dragged and pulled his entire life. He sucked enough penis to get where he is and now has the protection of the corrupt system. He will probably just face some public heat or lose his job. But he wont go to jail. I would be shocked if anyone really does hard time for this. The democrats want to use this as a gun issue. The GOP are just playing defense to get elected. And many of those asking touch questions are just taking advantage.

[OurGamehenge]

The Colonists would have flash mobbed Holder and strung him up INSTANTLY on the first tree or lamp post. Publicly flogged to death.

Holder is a traitor. I do believe that is still considered "TREASON". Hell, WE'RE looked as traitors to ALL government representatives now since S.1867 sec 1031.

Not much more to say, just ready for when SHTF .

What do you think NSA, FBI, and other spooks?

[NosoCOMINSOON]

Who cares nothing will ever happen to them nobody will go to jail for the murder of the BP agent and the country will move on. Just like when a cop gets put on paid administrative leave for murder and most he gets is fired from his job. Government officials are above the law people we all know this so stop crying bloody murder this isn't a real democracy and hasn't been for quite some time so stop pretending all the sudden that you care because you're not going to do shit about it..end of story.

[jairee86]

He is just a dirty piece of shit sitting right along side obama. both of them can come to my house and i will let them pick cotton like good niggers and they dont have to worry about fucking over the once great country we live in.

[natdavi]

Well for all his mistakes I think he got the definition of a lie down pretty well.

[abukamoon]

Holder is lying to Congress and obstructing justice. Time to appoint a special prosecutor.

[blondecrazygaijin]

I am pretty sure that the lost "third gun" belonged to the FBI informant; could it be that an FBI informant murdered a US Border Patrol agent? 1. Gun-smuggling stings with NO gun-tracking 2. Money-laundering stings with NO arrests 3. border checkpoints with NO guards (now proposed) 4. Imprisonment of B.Patrol who twist ONE arm -- More and more it appears the notion of, "Uncle Sam himself is a drug-dealer" might not only be the wild claim of nutty lefty journos. What comes next? >:(

[Finsirith]

This is a classic! It's right up there with "It depends on what your definition of IS is".

"It wasn't lying, because I wasn't in a lying state of mind"--if one of my kids tried that line with me, they'd be in more trouble for THAT than for whatever it was they actually did.

[Kerogas]

"" I would suggest that everyone write to their State AG's and demand a vote of NO CONFIDENCE in not only Eric Holder, but the DOJ as a whole, and until justice is served, restrict any DOJ activities in their States. Who knows what else is going on? ""

[spacegasp]

@MrJMBrowning True, but nobody can compete with RINO`s when it comes to lying. Take a wild guess at where this thing started.

[Panchee123]

this fuck and all the other a holes need their double speak shoved up their ass

[jetbtkng]

i was never worried about it, just pointing out the hypocrisy of u conservatards thats all.......

[rte66byhd]

disney is making a movie about holder called "The lyin' Coon".

[MegaJacobsLadder]

to be fair to Holder, he makes a valid point. Lying and being wrong are two very different things. That said, I have no idea if he was lying or wrong (I'm getting the feeling he was lying), but you can't deny that there is a difference between ignorance and purjury

[jetbtkng]

this isnt shit, bush's AG Alberto Gonzales was 10 times worse, corruption was abundant under his reign, give me a break, gop hypocrisy at its finest.......

[Panchee123]

@jetbtkng doesnt give him a pass regardless, get over it

[kaiserblazer]

i hope all the AIG managers go to jail and gets raped by poor black people they raped.

[onegreenday]

You can't hold high office in government unless you can lie and pass a lie detector test.

[Icureditwithmybrain]

Arrest him already!

[TheWitchOvAgnesi]

Remotely smacks of "I did not have sex with that woman" doesn't it?

[Enoch2]

So he's saying it's only a lie if you intend to lie, deceive or mislead, based on the legal concept of perjury. To be in error even after taking due diligence to verify your facts, is not a lie but inaccuracy according to Holder here. I think a lie is to think, do, or say anything contrary to the truth, to "bear false witness".

"If a ruler hearken to lies, all his servants are wicked. " Prov 29:12

[HumbleWillis]

This is just par for the course in the Obama administration. Corruption from top to bottom, blown in from the Windy City. Chicago politics at it's finest.

[pimag4u]

Liars only know how to lie, Holder will never tell the truth as it would show him in the loup.

[mg03nma]

So the ones responsible to clarify what had happened "gave" that responsibility to other people. That were in a "state of mind" that made them write information that was wrong.

Fire the all of the people responsible for this, all the way up the ladder and down to the person who wrote it. Give the person who was actually responsible to give that information severe criminal charges to discourage anything like this happening again.

[tooltalk]

LOL.. Holder thinks he's Clinton!

[mammyoriordan]

Is Holder a muslim as well (lying - taqyya) - Rene

[Vader724]

Unbelievable! People want to turn this into a party issue. Whether you are a Rep. or Dem. The truth is the truth! I don't care what party you are the lies and the continued destruction of America has to stop! All politicians are not being held accountable! Keep blaming each party like the controllers want you to and you will all get what you deserve! Divide and Conquer the oldest trick in the book!

[uclakallman]

Wow. @1:58

"Tell me whats the difference between lying and misleading congress in this context"

"Well, if you want to have this legal argu... conversation..."

I think that's exactly what a Senate Hearing is, you dolt... a legal argument, conversation, hearing, whatever you want to call it. This is why America can't trust bureaucrats.

[DillonDee1]

Holder is right -- al this will be is a waste of taxpayer money

[the82spartans]

@DillonDee1 -- C'mon dee, this dude Holder is corupt as the day is long. Money laundering is now being investegated, somthing the US Fed may have done in the past w/ Mexican drug cartel but never got caught doing so.

What do you make of the CBS reports linking 'Fast & Furious' as a ruse for US gun control? 0bama was in Mexico City a few years prior stating that the problem was guns coming from the USA into ole' Mexico but what he failed to disclose it was a US Federal program.

[DillonDee1]

@the82spartans -- I.ve not seen anything Holder could be convicted of -- so I'm willing to make you small wager that he will not be.

[the82spartans]

@DillonDee1 -- you might be right... we really can't see how deep this goes so any wager, no matter how minor, may take years to discover the truth about 'fast n furious'.

Mexico is wacked now, it may be less.

[Panchee123]

@DillonDee1 yeah he's squeaky clean...lol

[ShaneYnclan]

girl over his right shoulder is so beautiful...

[newperve]

Holder is right here, if you didn't MEAN to decieve then you're not lying, The problem is it's irrelevant. Someone deliberately caused this false information to be sent to Congress. They should be fired.

[doit420sdf]

* in danger

[doit420sdf]

This administration is corrupt. The republic is danger.

We must demand Holders resignation immediately, only then can the prosecutions begin.

[SHEEPLEwhisperer]

If Pro is the opposite of Con, doesn't that mean Progress is the opposite of Congress?

[bigdsears]

I can't figure out for the life of me why everyone is so enthralled with politics and politicians. Does anything really think they're looking out for our best interests? No, they only care about greasing their wallets. That why about 75% become lobbyists after they get kicked out.They have no term limits, they all yuck it up w/ the other rich folks and everyone is in the biggest boys club out there. They don't have any loyalty when they leave their city and go to Washington. Vote for the new guy

[fungye77]

Typical conservatives, at least Obama didn't commit War Crimes like your bunkmate Bush!

[doit420sdf]

@fungye77 - Au contraire, Obama is a warmonger who routinely causes civilian deaths due to his handlers war strategies- for the prepetuation of the industrial military empire and not for some humanitarian mission.. he has broken international treaties and he has subverted the constitution. He is clearly a war criminal but the corrupt department of justice will never prosecute.

[sietec]

I thought this was supposed to be the most transparent, honest administration in history! Anyone else and they would be in a Federal prison right now. Look at Roger Clemens , all he did was lie about using steroids. Eric Holder lied about an operation where people have died and many more will die! Where does it end with this crony organization called the Obama Administration?

[tank3584]

STATE OF MIND....THIS FUCKING MORON IS CAUGHT...IMPEACH OR LOCK HIS AZZ UP

[strawbary]

@tank3584 BOTH

[Starrider07]

He is invoking his inner Ollie North... nothing new.

[IKeepRight]

Holder lied and is responsible for the death of Brian Terry. Tony Rezko convicted for fraud, money laundering and extortion. Nancy Pelosi found guilty of insider trading. John Corzine doesn't know where $1.2 Bil of customer's funds went.

The Obama administration is the most corrupt, secretive, evil enterprise ever concocted to destroy America. "No More Years!"

[Starrider07]

@IKeepRight I think you forgot the Reagan admin and the Iran Contra thing.

[HarryOrielly]

Obama can't throw Holder under the bus because Holder has been protecting Obama by not prosecuting his FORGED birth certificate or multiple SSN's used in real estate scams- If Eric goes people may want to know the TRUTH about the Obama CRIMES that have been burried- That's why his entire past has been hidden or destroyed- both men are crooked lawyers who lie easily only Obama surrendered his law license in order to avoid an investigation of his past (secreted) history-

[wheetypeedy]

he did not take the oath so he can lie like dog

[geopablomac]

It depends on what your definition of the word "is" is.

[spacegasp]

Cspan started showing this, then switched to a Rick Perry speech. They must have been told to stop showing it. It`s obvious who authorized "Fast and Furious"...it was Obama. And to FOX News... please stop calling this a "botched" operation. The only thing "botched" about it was that someone snitched.

[MrJMBrowning]

@spacegasp Exactly, nothing was botched at all, Holder and the Dems did just like they wanted to do, the only problem is that they got caught with their hand in the cookie jar

I would bet my paycheck, Obama gave Holder the order to make Fast and Furious happen

Holders point about being wrong is a lie, he got caught lying

Anyone else caught lying to congress does serious time

Dems are the party of liars, thats the only way they can get elected, look at Obama he is proof

[PatricksTime]

modern day mob!

[st4ticblu3]

And nothing will happen to these criminals. Though accessories to the manslaughter of US border patrol. Nothing will happen. Just like Oliver North.

[dyad2r1]

Holder can't stop lying even while he's lying. He reminds me of Clinton who didn't know what the definition of "is" was.

[dyad2r1]

Holder, Corzine and Geitner. How many other liars under Obama are going to end up in the hot seat?

[juan563]

In all cases, intent is the most difficult part to prove. So, you first proceed as a result of the actions, and let the evidence support your actions. Holder is a pathological liar, very much like his boss, the usurper in chief.

[recklessprocess]

Democrat crooks always want to parse words. He provided false statements to congress. That is lying. It is his responsibility to respond and blaming his underlings is merely admission that he is incompetent.

[beefking69er]

Holder's screwed

[GammaSigmaBeta]

@beefking69er

I sincerely hope so.

[WhereDidItAllGo7]

Moral relativism on display....The whole Obama Administration is above the Law.

[WhereDidItAllGo7]

Time for Holder to grow up and take responsibility and for the criminal MSM to do the same....out of control!

[themunz126]

Stonewalling the entire thing. Trying to whitewash it. Hide it. And covering for Holder and Obama. The media has given scant reporting on this. ENOUGH! Time to hold people accountable. Worse than Watergate or Iran Contra. American's died and will for years to come from this! Nobody did this without Obama's knowledge or approval.

[pokemon20035150]

"Never ascribe to malice, that which can be explained by incompetence." Napoleon

[pokemon20035150]

az hates your holder!

[tdubbcdman]

put this fat fuck behind bars

[MrAspen55]

@tdubbcdman the black dude is the fuck not the white one

[Gadman]

Even worse than his definition is the fact that many still believe the Obama administration are actually good for our country.

[sonic10158]

@Gadman Obama's loyal toadies will stick beside their leader even if he breaks the law in front of a news camera

[MrPhillyrick1]

@sonic10158 not me. but the same goes for republicans also. thats why i dislike americans so much. you stick by your party no matter what. you type these things as if only one side does it.

[MrPhillyrick1]

@Gadman none of these politicians are good for this country!

[rivrat210]

Vote them all out and start fresh!

[FleebagSlayer]

WATERBOARD HIM

[ruadhrose]

Typical liberals. It's the Bill Clinton defense...."Well that depends on your definition of lying." "Well that depends on your definition of sex." Did these idiots FAIL English classes that they don't know the definition of sex and lies!?!?!?! I know they all failed Economics, apparently English wasn't a strong point either!!!!!

[Metool2]

.... If you said something and thought it was true, and it turned out to be false, THAT wouldn't be lying. Lying and knowing you are lying is lying.

[jpeditor]

@Metool2 Understood, but they KNEW it was false when they originally lied. And that evidence is leaking out and thats why Holder must go.

[fatboyups]

Holder should be arrested, tried and lawfully executed for his participation in the murders of two of our agents, as well as the slaughter of countless of Mexican citizens.

[haleyvillegirl]

sstate of mind?!? lying is lying no matter how u slice it. state of mind is a copout used by pathologicle liars.

[grapeview61]

This is utter BS

[NCMan28025]

Really? Is Holder trying to pull the Bill Clinton "it depends on the definition" card? Holder knew about the gun trafficking scheme. He bragged about it while in Mexico to Mexican diplomats. It was paid for by Obama's $830 billion stimulus and e-mails now show the DOJ was going to use the smuggling data to push for more gun regulations. He lied the first time he testified and continues to lie. When will someone in Congress grow a set and charge this criminal with perjury?

[Adino1]

He opens up with the lie that nobody at the DoJ lied lol.

[ralphk917]

Only little people have to tell the truth. Which may be why the Founding Fathers guaranteed the right to bear arms that are as powerful as the military (muskets all around). Which may be why Holder ran F&F to sway public opinion toward gun control. Holder is a lying sack and should be sacked.

[jtbpnw]

He reminds me of Clinton when he said... "Depends on what the meaning of the word is is"

F*cking douchebags can't even answer a straight up question.

[LarryC213]

What a load of B.S. This reminds me of Bill Clinton and his arguing about what the definition of "is" is. This P.O.S. should be in a prison cell!

[6itizen6yx]

Takr a hike Congress, you criminal, spineless whores aren't going to do SHIT about it like you don't do SHIT about any of the rest of the LIARS who come before you and spew a bunch of garble..FUK ALL OFYOU YOUR TIME OF RECONING WILL COME............

[Hako2004]

Holder is a liar, and considers himself to be above the law, and personally decides which laws should be enforced, and on which occasions. He should be in a federal penitentiary.

[zamusicza]

He should be tried for conspiracy to commit murder. Accessory to murder. Then extradited to Mexico if they'd like to add anything on.

[simon134]

FAH-Q Eric Holder!

You are a glaring example of why most American's despise the Federal Guv'ment.

[zerotolerance4u]

Un-freaking-believable!

[medlock01]

So I guess when Bush acted on intelligence he thought to be true at the time it wasn't lying then huh Mr Holder?

[cptcosmo]

Eric Holder should be executed on national TV by hanging. We need to start making extreme examples of these thugs in Washington the District of Criminals..

[MeInTheCornfield]

The result of the teachings of "no absolutes": Lying DEPENDS on your "state of mind"

No wonder our culture is so screwed up.

[IruleOverProgressive]

This guy is the definition of lowly, smarmy, lying low down, sleazy liar/lawyer! His lawyerese is epic. Your intent! His intent is and was to mislead Congress! He got caught with his dick in the jar and now he's going to throw anybody and everybody under the bus to save his worthless ass! His past clientelle should hint towards what his ethic will be and are at this stage in his life! People have died as a result of his stupidity and lying. Jail is his only appropriate venue!

[fremontdad]

Fucking nigger. Charge the Dickhead with Conspiracy, Perjury & Murder, and let the Justice "inside the Prison Walls" take it's course. It shouldn't hurt him too much because he's a big enough asshole that they wouldn't need lube!!

[Ojisan642]

Didn't they bust Scooter Libby for less?

[Jennofthejungle49]

@Ojisan642 WAY less.

[kain77502]

the congressman reminds me of john goodman

[soCernunnos]

His emails prove it was willful. That's in the legal and common definition of those things. How did he get into a college for his BA? Much less his JD. Much less a job as a lawyer. Much less a first shot as AG. Much less a second shot as AG. How? ... Why?

[agcw86]

Senseless-brenner, father of REAL ID, is right for once, heads should roll. Why not the AJ criminal himself who covered up OKC and continues his lawless behavior as head of the justice department, or is it the JUST US department. Laws are apparently only for the common people, not the powerful JUST US sociopaths and psychopaths that are destroying the country. Fire Holder and abolish/defund the BATFE.

[magpie4321]

@agcw86 Shut up!

[magpie4321]

O's & Holder's heads should ROLLLLL!!!

[tgvas]

Government lies, the larger it grows, the more it lies!

[kctubandcounters]

SOME HEADS ARE GONNA R O L L

[magpie4321]

@kctubandcounters not the ones America wants

[kctubandcounters]

lying dog..prosecute

[cptcosmo]

@kctubandcounters No, execute.

[MajorRugburn]

Holder is BLACK, and anyone who accuses him of anything is a RACIST. are we clear?

ARE WE CLEAR?! :))

[magpie4321]

@MajorRugburn A liar is a liar, America has been mugged!

[2010GOP]

So now a lie is one's "state of mind" & what the definition of "is" is. Democrats are fk'ing sickening.

[SatanBrain13]

This guy should be shot by a Mexican with one of the guns he sold them. Then his corpse gorilla stomped by the family of the American border agent killed.

[constitutionfst]

Clearly, Eric "The Coward" Holder's walking orders could have only came from Ø (the WH). The case for impeachment grows by the hour. The writing (of corruption) was on the wall after he dismissed the Black Panther voter intimidation scandal.

[hlmelsaid]

tell the truth.

[right1left6]

It's a shame this guy is to Cowardly to stand up like a man and admit the truth.

[right1left6]

Our Department Of "Justice" leader trying to justify his Lying to congress. Based upon this How much real Justice can you EXPECT to receive from him and his department of justice???

[right1left6]

"How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words." ~ Samual Adams

[whoareyou2me]

I am a supermodel, and a rocket scientist. Don't say I'm lying, it depends on my state of mind when I said it.

These corrupt bastards have to go.

[carldt8]

Wow, so you can excuse anything just by saying it's "a state of mind"? This sounds so much like situational ethics - a 60s falied philosophy - I can't stand this kind of "logic"! A lie is a lie if it's not the whole truth!

[mcsadapted]

Holder belongs in prison. Open and shut perjury. Roger Clemens will be facing a jury for his testimony.. Holder's is just as false.

[ruadhrose]

@mcsadapted Yes and he needs to take Obama with him!!!!

[cobclark]

Isn't he sworn to tell the truth, the WHOLE truth and NOTHING BUT the truth? or does that also depend on his "state of mind"?

[TheAnonCollective]

@cobclark He refused to go under oath.

[wheetypeedy]

@cobclark he did not take an oath. so he can liar like a dog

[cobclark]

@wheetypeedy Rep Sensenbrenner says is that "lying to congress is a federal offense." I, of course, assumed that it meant he was under oath. I now wonder if he meant that it is a federal offense either way.

[MattSeanCline]

Holder should be tried for his crime, he is an accomplice in the Agents Murder, as well as lying to Congress (yes that is ironic).

[BeantownJim]

congress has no backbone!