When Jesus said in Matthew 24 pray that your flight don't take place on The Sabbath---He did not mean Sunday. And that destruction took place 40 years after in AD 70. So where this Sunday worship business came from??? Any concern Christian would have to go back to heir history books to get that answer. Just as simple as that!!
When Jesus said in Matthew 24 pray that your flight don't take place on The Sabbath---He did not mean Sunday. And that destruction took place 40 years after in AD 70. So where this Sunday worship business came from??? Any concern Christian would have to go back to their history books to get that answer. Just as simple as that!!
Don't worry Paul, I am plenty familiar with those sciptures and I'm NOT a once saved always saved-easy-believeite either, And I also DON'T believe that a Saved person can LOSS his Salvation either, I Believe that one must keep The Faith Of The Son Of GOD unto the end, {Death}. of which there are a number that Don't And Won't. > BTW, I thought YOU said you didn't believe in HELL.
"And a lot of the converted Jews wanted to keep them. Paul was saying hey its OK if they want to but they don't have to because its no longer necessary." > OK. you sort-of made my point here, IF that's really what you want to do, have at IT. I guess Some Christians just feel the need for Some ceremonialism. > I hope you're Not too mad.
@blackaboe When you speak to me you need to show a bit of respect. Not that I personally crave it but as you have chosen not to do so you have placed yourself in a place where you stinketh in the eyes of the wise. I can and do tolerate all sorts of abuse from atheists but from you who is touting yourself as a believer in God I do not.You are not what you seem. Maybe you are a Judas priest huh.
@paulwilfridhunt SO You Think you're wise and I'm NOT, What is YOUR problem? I thought we were having a friendly and interesting exchange here, don't you like sparing a little bit with a fellow believer in Bible doctrines and concepts? Or do you think you're too high and lifted up to talk man to man? I thought you were showing some irritation in your last comment
@blackaboe Look Pal. Keep your cool alright. No I am not saying I am wise but you will begin to stink in the nostrils of the astute wise observers if they see you treating someone like me with disrespect. I am happy to give you the benefit of the doubt. No I wasn't irritated ok.
@paulwilfridhunt Thats OK. Paul, we really don't have any reason to be discussing The Bible anyway, now that I understand where You Stand. I can see why I would be a thorn in your side, being that you don't believe in the eternal torment of Lost Souls in Hell that died without Jesus Christ. My whole channel theem is warning people about Hell & The Lake Of Fire. Peace >
@blackaboeLook I used to believe that it was eternal torment but I don't anymore because of what the scriptures actually say. Why are you so anxious to prove this heart rendering point. Either which way its terrible for the lost isn't it. Makes you wanna cry for them doesn't it? Hence the expression we sorrow with a Godly joy huh.
@paulwilfridhunt Well Paul I'm "anxious" about this topic because it is The MOST important thing there as to why The Bible says to "Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature", So I DO. In fact Hell was The Main Motivation
@blackaboe ok lets be real. people perishing in hell is more of a concern to me and I hope also to you than whether or not they fry for a while or forever. Actually they don't fry forever because they actually perish in hell and perish means perish. You seem heartless at your insistance of needing to pursue this topic of forever in hell.
@paulwilfridhunt . . . for ME to turn from my sin to the Living GOD years ago.. Of course now that I'm safely into The Fold, I guess I wouldn't have as many enemies Hating on me if I would just shut-up about the unpleasant things that the scriptures clearly teach over and over again and just say "It's NOT So" > huh.
@blackaboe I love the way you say that you are safely in the fold. Lets hope you are huh. Paul says to work out your salvation with fear and trembling. Be careful of that doctrine of once saved always saved because it can take you to hell. Remember the parable of the sower.
@paulwilfridhunt that's why I said "I hope you're Not mad". So you're angry at me for for questioning what I deem to be heresy, and I showed you why, and Now You're Mad because You couldn't defend it, I Assume. You must esteem yourself far above me I suppose, because I showed YOU NO disrespect. > Maybe You're a Nicolaitan hey ?
Saturday is certainly and unarguably The Sabbath day, BUT The christian Church is NOT under any such ceremonial rule of law today. It's probably true that the pagan catholic church "Changed" it to Sunday, BUT it means nothing either way because Christians have assembled together on the first day of the week since the beginning of the church age. {It's Not about keeping the sabbath}
The pagan Catholic Church? You my friend must be under the delusion that so many people fall under, and that is the delusion that the Catholic Church is pagan (!). There is NOTHING pagan about the doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church. If there is ANYTHING pagan in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, present it. Present your evidence. Don't hide behind the wall of words, but simply present the evidence.
@SuperJesuit OK, Salvation based on Jesus Christ, and the nullifying effect of : PLUS "The church & sacraments", The false doctrine of Transubstantiation etc.> And of course the bloody, murderous and pedophilic History of the cat. church in general. Peace >
@blackaboe Anything whatsoever that defies or contradicts The Bible and is called "Christian" is NOT Christian. Anything that is added to the finished work of Christ regarding Salvation nullifies the benafit of Jesus Christ. = NOT Christian.
@blackaboe None of the 10 commanments have been changed They are still all binding the whole 10 of them. Fear God and keep his commandments.I want to keep em all yeah.
@paulwilfridhunt NO. The law was put in place to show that we / they couldn't keep IT. > Galations 3:24 "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith" >James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."
@paulwilfridhunt You can't please God by keeping the commandments. Do you understand that you can NOT, anyway. > 1Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,"
@paulwilfridhunt That's Great, As long as you understand that keeping the commandments cannot add anything to the finished work of Jesus Christ, that is a very important point in the whole concept of New Testament salvation.
@blackaboe Well yes I agree with you but if you don't keep the commandments then the finished work done by Jesus Christ won't be doing you any good at all. However I am sure you know this already. I am a sinner saved by grace but if I don't quit sinning and actually say I don't need to keep the 10 commandments then na na my salvation is gone. The parable of the sower points this out clearly. This once saved always saved mentality can take you to hell.
@blackaboe Here is the thing Blackie. It seems to appear to me that the law in question which is being called a school master is in actuality not the 10 commandments. Read those scriptures again yourself in Galations. Paul is going on about how it was no longer necessary to be circumcised. Circumcision was apparently a law for them way back then but with Christ it was no longer necessary. Think about it and check it out yourself.
@paulwilfridhunt And the same could be said about Sabbath in this age. :Collossians 2:14-16 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: "
@blackaboe Look Blackie provided you don't have a bee in your bonnet of wanting to be right instead of having the desire to find out what is right then hey you have nothing to worry about. Those sabbath days are not the weekly sabbath. In leviticus you will find that they had a bunch of ceremonial sabbaths as well. And a lot of the converted Jews wanted to keep them. Paul was saying hey its ok if they want to but they don't have to because its no longer necessary.
. . . BUT it means nothing either way because Christians have assembled together on the first day of the week since the beginning of the church age. {It's Not about keeping the sabbath}
Saturday is certainly and unarguably The Sabbath day, BUT The christian Church is NOT under any such ceremonial rule of law today. It's probably true that the pagan catholic church "Changed" it to Sunday . . .
@blackaboe, Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: I generally go to church on Sunday, the verse above makes provision for worship on any & every day. Also when the Sabbath day was originally practiced it was at least 12 or may be 24hrs earlier?- if you check Joshua 10v12~14. Also the Sabbath day (Jerusalem 6am~6pm mean time) nearly overlaps Sunday morning in Australia & Friday night 4 USA?
@zacqt OH. yea I know going to church and worship has nothing at all to do with keeping the old ceremonial Sabbath Law in fact it would be probably Not possible to keep the Sabbath NOW anyway. Plus we have to remember that the "Law' is for the lawless / unsaved, because THAT is what is going to judge them in the last day. We are in Christ and HE fulfiled the law for us. We are Saved and declared rightious through Jesus Christ. "The Law was our school master to bring us to Christ"
@blackaboe Yes the law was our school master to bring us to Christ but we know that this not suggesting the lack of necessity to keep the 10 commanments. See Rev. 12 : 17 Rev. 14 :12 Rev. 22 :14
Rev 14 :12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and the faith of Jesus.
You said, 'it's probably true that the pagan catholic church "Changed" it to Sunday.'
The phrase 'probably true' has no place in a discussion where truth reigns. It is probably true that dogs exist, it is probably true that you exist, it is probably true that houses are built by man.
Furthermore, presupposing that the Catholic Church did change it to Sunday, what does that mean? Nothing whatsoever.
Saterday is certainly and unarguably The Sabath day BUT The christian Church is NOT under any such cerimonial rule of law today. It's probably true that the stinky old rotten catholic church "Changed" it to sunday, BUT it means nothing eather way because Christians have assembled together on the first day since the beginning of the church age. {It's Not about keeping the sabath}
Saterday is certainly and unarguably The Sabath day BUT The christian Church is NOT under any such cerimonial rule of law today. It's probably true that the stinky old rotten catholic church "Changed" it to sunday, BUT it means nothing eather way because Christians have assembled together on the first day since the beginning of the church age. {It's Not about keeping the sabath}
Saterday is certainly and unarguably The Sabath day BUT The christian Church is NOT under any such cerimonial rule of law today. It's probably true that the stinky old rotten catholic church "Changed" it to sunday, BUT it means nothing eather way because Christians have assembled together on the first day since the beginning of the church age. {It's Not about keeping the sabath}
Saturday is certainly and unarguably The Sabbath day, BUT The christian Church is NOT under any such ceremonial rule of law today. It's probably true that the pagan catholic church "Changed" it to Sunday, BUT it means nothing either way because Christians have assembled together on the first day of the week since the beginning of the church age. {It's Not about keeping the sabbath}
From one philosopher to many others I entreat you to hear As we pass each other on the long journey we can exchange ideas I will take yours Here are mine Truth cannot be abandoned, it remains Truth cannot be changed If silver is painted black it is still silver If gold is painted red white and blue it is still gold If the truth is obscured from view it is by our deep aspiration to feel important or worthwhile and acceptable Notice how you feel this way by not loving your maker
Sabbath Day (Saturday) is God's Sabbath. Jesus Christ, the greatest Christian of all observed the Sabbath Day and only the Sabbath Day. The pagan Roman "sun day" did already exist at that time but Christ, the apostles & early church were all Sabbath keepers, they would never have observed the heathen sun-worship day.
satan started sunday worship 2 stop people from observing God's sabbath. Please dont support him.
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
1 Corinthians 16:1-2 suggests a meeting
on Sunday too
Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. 2Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
I have done a lot of study on this subject And thats what I recommend to you Don't be too hasty to be right or wrong There are two sets of arguments Look carefully at both sides Consider both points of view Not just the your view But consider their view too Unless of course you are sure you are right Be a judge and carefully weigh the evidence Justice demands it If you want to talk to me about it Then lets do it one point at a time Lets give the man a fair trial No lynch parties
I was not trying to justify that Sunday was the right and only day of worship. I am willing to hear your view too on why you consider Saturday to be the right and only day we should worship. To me any day of the week is fine.
Hi Rotichjoe Thanks for your reply The catholic church changed the day from Saturday to Sunday This can be proven Also they say that they made the change without any authorisation from scripture People who say that there is evidence in scripture for changing the day Are people who don't really know their bible When you get right down to it Its all smoke and mirrors Because this change cannot be validated by scripture So why are we blindly going along with it?
You're right and it gets me mad to think how many supposed Christian ministers have blindly followed this when they knew better and could have led there congregations out of the darkness but because they were afraid of losing their ministries (should be Gods ministry) they just kept on teaching a false Christ and for almost 2000 years the mainline Church (claiming to be Christian) has been falsely leading billions astray. .. Bless you for your teaching the truth!
We are actually to be working on the other six days of the week, check the commandment again. You are absolutely right that we can praise God every day and I suggest that we do but not at the expense of disobeying the 4th commandment. I don't know why we try to look for loop holes to make it seem as if we aren't doing anything wrong when we break the commandments but there is no fooling our Lord and in the end we will surely be the fools if we keep trying.
You really need to read this in its full context because Paul is just telling them to gather the offering on the first day of the week as they may not be able to come up with it if they wait till the end of the week. Who among us hasn't experienced that dilema? Also there was a plan to go to Jerusalem and it would be prudent to take the offerings along in the middle of the week.....Check it out.
16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
There are also a few suggestions that people could have met at certain times on a Sunday. if Sunday is the first day of the week then this verse suggests they met Acts 20:7
You need to check your facts and get Pauls intentions more clearly I believe. For we know that God doesn't change and Jesus told us that the commandments would stand forever (even the smallest punctuation marks will remain forever) and clearly stated that he had not come to do away with the commandments (any of them) but to magnify them. Jesus actually put more emphasis and detail in each of the commandments through his teachings. He truly blessed us by doing that but still some are confused.
@Bernie485 The commandments are not for The saved, they are To be for the lost, as the {Standard} For there condenmation in the end and The schoolmaster to bring us to Christ because it is impossible keep them in our fallen condition. > and the 4th commandment, > Null.
A lot has been said about the Sabbath but i don't think it actually matters what day someone worships from what Paul says in Rom. 14:5-6
5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth
Hi there Hdiylove.Its funny that you should mention that little book.I was on the streets of wellington New Zealand around 89 with a bunch of zealous street preachers and some guy comes up to me and starts asking me questions about which day I kept the sabbath day on. His name was Bernie with red hair from Canada and he seemed quite intense with his commuication which impressed me.He gave me that Sunday Law book and about a year later I too became like him and kept the sabbath on the 7th day.
Hi there lachance. Actually you might have a point there about worship. I was using the term overly loosly and in actuality I should not have said it. But it does it not say in the scriptures somewhere to have a holy convocation on the sabbath day. I will need to check that out. What do you think? Also what do you mean when you say that the Sabbath is nailed to the cross? I appreciate your comments. Keep them coming and God bless you all. The servant of all thats me thats Paul.
You are so wrong about worship being on the sabbath day. The commandments don't say to worship on the sabbath. It says to keep it holy, which means set apart. What did Yahuwah do on the seventh day? He rested. He gave them a day to rest. However he nailed the sabbath to the cross. Church is not even from Yahuwah. This is nothing more than religious hersesy
Yep, the Sabbath is quite a misunderstood topic and many Christians are fooled over it! National Sunday law by A. Jan Marcussen is an excellent source to go and learn more on it!!!!!!!!!!
When Jesus said in Matthew 24 pray that your flight don't take place on The Sabbath---He did not mean Sunday. And that destruction took place 40 years after in AD 70. So where this Sunday worship business came from??? Any concern Christian would have to go back to heir history books to get that answer. Just as simple as that!!
skimask777 11 months ago
When Jesus said in Matthew 24 pray that your flight don't take place on The Sabbath---He did not mean Sunday. And that destruction took place 40 years after in AD 70. So where this Sunday worship business came from??? Any concern Christian would have to go back to their history books to get that answer. Just as simple as that!!
skimask777 11 months ago
Don't worry Paul, I am plenty familiar with those sciptures and I'm NOT a once saved always saved-easy-believeite either, And I also DON'T believe that a Saved person can LOSS his Salvation either, I Believe that one must keep The Faith Of The Son Of GOD unto the end, {Death}. of which there are a number that Don't And Won't. > BTW, I thought YOU said you didn't believe in HELL.
blackaboe 1 year ago
"And a lot of the converted Jews wanted to keep them. Paul was saying hey its OK if they want to but they don't have to because its no longer necessary." > OK. you sort-of made my point here, IF that's really what you want to do, have at IT. I guess Some Christians just feel the need for Some ceremonialism. > I hope you're Not too mad.
blackaboe 1 year ago
@blackaboe When you speak to me you need to show a bit of respect. Not that I personally crave it but as you have chosen not to do so you have placed yourself in a place where you stinketh in the eyes of the wise. I can and do tolerate all sorts of abuse from atheists but from you who is touting yourself as a believer in God I do not.You are not what you seem. Maybe you are a Judas priest huh.
paulwilfridhunt 1 year ago
@paulwilfridhunt SO You Think you're wise and I'm NOT, What is YOUR problem? I thought we were having a friendly and interesting exchange here, don't you like sparing a little bit with a fellow believer in Bible doctrines and concepts? Or do you think you're too high and lifted up to talk man to man? I thought you were showing some irritation in your last comment
blackaboe 1 year ago
@blackaboe Look Pal. Keep your cool alright. No I am not saying I am wise but you will begin to stink in the nostrils of the astute wise observers if they see you treating someone like me with disrespect. I am happy to give you the benefit of the doubt. No I wasn't irritated ok.
paulwilfridhunt 1 year ago
@paulwilfridhunt Thats OK. Paul, we really don't have any reason to be discussing The Bible anyway, now that I understand where You Stand. I can see why I would be a thorn in your side, being that you don't believe in the eternal torment of Lost Souls in Hell that died without Jesus Christ. My whole channel theem is warning people about Hell & The Lake Of Fire. Peace >
blackaboe 1 year ago
@blackaboeLook I used to believe that it was eternal torment but I don't anymore because of what the scriptures actually say. Why are you so anxious to prove this heart rendering point. Either which way its terrible for the lost isn't it. Makes you wanna cry for them doesn't it? Hence the expression we sorrow with a Godly joy huh.
paulwilfridhunt 1 year ago
@paulwilfridhunt Well Paul I'm "anxious" about this topic because it is The MOST important thing there as to why The Bible says to "Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature", So I DO. In fact Hell was The Main Motivation
blackaboe 1 year ago
@blackaboe ok lets be real. people perishing in hell is more of a concern to me and I hope also to you than whether or not they fry for a while or forever. Actually they don't fry forever because they actually perish in hell and perish means perish. You seem heartless at your insistance of needing to pursue this topic of forever in hell.
paulwilfridhunt 1 year ago
@paulwilfridhunt . . . for ME to turn from my sin to the Living GOD years ago.. Of course now that I'm safely into The Fold, I guess I wouldn't have as many enemies Hating on me if I would just shut-up about the unpleasant things that the scriptures clearly teach over and over again and just say "It's NOT So" > huh.
blackaboe 1 year ago
@blackaboe I love the way you say that you are safely in the fold. Lets hope you are huh. Paul says to work out your salvation with fear and trembling. Be careful of that doctrine of once saved always saved because it can take you to hell. Remember the parable of the sower.
paulwilfridhunt 1 year ago
@paulwilfridhunt that's why I said "I hope you're Not mad". So you're angry at me for for questioning what I deem to be heresy, and I showed you why, and Now You're Mad because You couldn't defend it, I Assume. You must esteem yourself far above me I suppose, because I showed YOU NO disrespect. > Maybe You're a Nicolaitan hey ?
blackaboe 1 year ago
Saturday is certainly and unarguably The Sabbath day, BUT The christian Church is NOT under any such ceremonial rule of law today. It's probably true that the pagan catholic church "Changed" it to Sunday, BUT it means nothing either way because Christians have assembled together on the first day of the week since the beginning of the church age. {It's Not about keeping the sabbath}
blackaboe 1 year ago
@blackaboe
The pagan Catholic Church? You my friend must be under the delusion that so many people fall under, and that is the delusion that the Catholic Church is pagan (!). There is NOTHING pagan about the doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church. If there is ANYTHING pagan in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, present it. Present your evidence. Don't hide behind the wall of words, but simply present the evidence.
SuperJesuit 1 year ago
@SuperJesuit OK, Salvation based on Jesus Christ, and the nullifying effect of : PLUS "The church & sacraments", The false doctrine of Transubstantiation etc.> And of course the bloody, murderous and pedophilic History of the cat. church in general. Peace >
blackaboe 1 year ago
@blackaboe Anything whatsoever that defies or contradicts The Bible and is called "Christian" is NOT Christian. Anything that is added to the finished work of Christ regarding Salvation nullifies the benafit of Jesus Christ. = NOT Christian.
blackaboe 1 year ago
@blackaboe None of the 10 commanments have been changed They are still all binding the whole 10 of them. Fear God and keep his commandments.I want to keep em all yeah.
paulwilfridhunt 1 year ago
@paulwilfridhunt I have obeyed The commandments by trusting Jesus Christ who fulfilled them, because I can't and nobody can.
blackaboe 1 year ago
@blackaboe Yes they can. Thats a cop out.
paulwilfridhunt 1 year ago
@paulwilfridhunt NO. The law was put in place to show that we / they couldn't keep IT. > Galations 3:24 "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith" >James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."
blackaboe 1 year ago
@blackaboe its not very complicated.
Where are you at as a person.
Do you want to strive hard to keep the commandments.
If you don't then that tells a story.
I didn't need a whole lot of reasons to be excused from sinning.
I wanted to please God this way.
Ok so you don't.
Am I displeasing God by striving to keep His commandments.
Work out your salvation with fear and trembling.
paulwilfridhunt 1 year ago
@paulwilfridhunt You can't please God by keeping the commandments. Do you understand that you can NOT, anyway. > 1Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,"
blackaboe 1 year ago
@blackaboe Oh yes you can please God by keeping His commandments.
You can displease God by sinning.
When you sin you are breaking the 10 commandments.
paulwilfridhunt 1 year ago
@paulwilfridhunt ONLY,> As long as you're not doing it to justify yourself before God
blackaboe 1 year ago
@blackaboe I don't wanna split hairs over this
But no I don't think I am anxious to keep the commandments in order to justify myself
The thought of keeping the commandments pleases me
Maybe I could say that as God has done so much for me it therefore is the least I can do for Him
I wanna be obedient
I think I also do it because I am a survivor
Those who aren't survivors are reckless
There is no way that I would take a chance with my soul.
paulwilfridhunt 1 year ago
@paulwilfridhunt That's Great, As long as you understand that keeping the commandments cannot add anything to the finished work of Jesus Christ, that is a very important point in the whole concept of New Testament salvation.
blackaboe 1 year ago
@blackaboe Well yes I agree with you but if you don't keep the commandments then the finished work done by Jesus Christ won't be doing you any good at all. However I am sure you know this already. I am a sinner saved by grace but if I don't quit sinning and actually say I don't need to keep the 10 commandments then na na my salvation is gone. The parable of the sower points this out clearly. This once saved always saved mentality can take you to hell.
paulwilfridhunt 1 year ago
@blackaboe Here is the thing Blackie. It seems to appear to me that the law in question which is being called a school master is in actuality not the 10 commandments. Read those scriptures again yourself in Galations. Paul is going on about how it was no longer necessary to be circumcised. Circumcision was apparently a law for them way back then but with Christ it was no longer necessary. Think about it and check it out yourself.
paulwilfridhunt 1 year ago
@paulwilfridhunt And the same could be said about Sabbath in this age. :Collossians 2:14-16 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: "
blackaboe 1 year ago
@blackaboe Look Blackie provided you don't have a bee in your bonnet of wanting to be right instead of having the desire to find out what is right then hey you have nothing to worry about. Those sabbath days are not the weekly sabbath. In leviticus you will find that they had a bunch of ceremonial sabbaths as well. And a lot of the converted Jews wanted to keep them. Paul was saying hey its ok if they want to but they don't have to because its no longer necessary.
paulwilfridhunt 1 year ago
@SuperJesuit Have you read The Great Controversy by Ellen G White and are you really a Jesuit
paulwilfridhunt 1 year ago
@blackaboe Blackie the sabbath commandment is not a ceremonial law
paulwilfridhunt 1 year ago
. . . BUT it means nothing either way because Christians have assembled together on the first day of the week since the beginning of the church age. {It's Not about keeping the sabbath}
blackaboe 1 year ago
Saturday is certainly and unarguably The Sabbath day, BUT The christian Church is NOT under any such ceremonial rule of law today. It's probably true that the pagan catholic church "Changed" it to Sunday . . .
blackaboe 1 year ago
@blackaboe, Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: I generally go to church on Sunday, the verse above makes provision for worship on any & every day. Also when the Sabbath day was originally practiced it was at least 12 or may be 24hrs earlier?- if you check Joshua 10v12~14. Also the Sabbath day (Jerusalem 6am~6pm mean time) nearly overlaps Sunday morning in Australia & Friday night 4 USA?
zacqt 1 year ago
@zacqt OH. yea I know going to church and worship has nothing at all to do with keeping the old ceremonial Sabbath Law in fact it would be probably Not possible to keep the Sabbath NOW anyway. Plus we have to remember that the "Law' is for the lawless / unsaved, because THAT is what is going to judge them in the last day. We are in Christ and HE fulfiled the law for us. We are Saved and declared rightious through Jesus Christ. "The Law was our school master to bring us to Christ"
blackaboe 1 year ago
@blackaboe Yes the law was our school master to bring us to Christ but we know that this not suggesting the lack of necessity to keep the 10 commanments. See Rev. 12 : 17 Rev. 14 :12 Rev. 22 :14
Rev 14 :12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and the faith of Jesus.
paulwilfridhunt 1 year ago
@blackaboe
You said, 'it's probably true that the pagan catholic church "Changed" it to Sunday.'
The phrase 'probably true' has no place in a discussion where truth reigns. It is probably true that dogs exist, it is probably true that you exist, it is probably true that houses are built by man.
Furthermore, presupposing that the Catholic Church did change it to Sunday, what does that mean? Nothing whatsoever.
SuperJesuit 1 year ago
@SuperJesuit OH I think "probably" does have place in this disscution, being that it is very probable but in no way verifiable.
blackaboe 1 year ago
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Saterday is certainly and unarguably The Sabath day BUT The christian Church is NOT under any such cerimonial rule of law today. It's probably true that the stinky old rotten catholic church "Changed" it to sunday, BUT it means nothing eather way because Christians have assembled together on the first day since the beginning of the church age. {It's Not about keeping the sabath}
blackaboe 1 year ago
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Saterday is certainly and unarguably The Sabath day BUT The christian Church is NOT under any such cerimonial rule of law today. It's probably true that the stinky old rotten catholic church "Changed" it to sunday, BUT it means nothing eather way because Christians have assembled together on the first day since the beginning of the church age. {It's Not about keeping the sabath}
blackaboe 1 year ago
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Saterday is certainly and unarguably The Sabath day BUT The christian Church is NOT under any such cerimonial rule of law today. It's probably true that the stinky old rotten catholic church "Changed" it to sunday, BUT it means nothing eather way because Christians have assembled together on the first day since the beginning of the church age. {It's Not about keeping the sabath}
blackaboe 1 year ago
Saturday is certainly and unarguably The Sabbath day, BUT The christian Church is NOT under any such ceremonial rule of law today. It's probably true that the pagan catholic church "Changed" it to Sunday, BUT it means nothing either way because Christians have assembled together on the first day of the week since the beginning of the church age. {It's Not about keeping the sabbath}
blackaboe 1 year ago
paulwilfridhunt 2 years ago
Stick 2 the 10 commandments
Sabbath Day (Saturday) is God's Sabbath. Jesus Christ, the greatest Christian of all observed the Sabbath Day and only the Sabbath Day. The pagan Roman "sun day" did already exist at that time but Christ, the apostles & early church were all Sabbath keepers, they would never have observed the heathen sun-worship day.
satan started sunday worship 2 stop people from observing God's sabbath. Please dont support him.
daintyapple 2 years ago
the bile is common sense.
cptskellern 2 years ago
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
1 Corinthians 16:1-2 suggests a meeting
on Sunday too
Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. 2Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
Rotichjoe 2 years ago
paulwilfridhunt 2 years ago
Dear Paul
I was not trying to justify that Sunday was the right and only day of worship. I am willing to hear your view too on why you consider Saturday to be the right and only day we should worship. To me any day of the week is fine.
Rotichjoe 2 years ago
paulwilfridhunt 2 years ago
You're right and it gets me mad to think how many supposed Christian ministers have blindly followed this when they knew better and could have led there congregations out of the darkness but because they were afraid of losing their ministries (should be Gods ministry) they just kept on teaching a false Christ and for almost 2000 years the mainline Church (claiming to be Christian) has been falsely leading billions astray. .. Bless you for your teaching the truth!
Bernie485 1 year ago
We are actually to be working on the other six days of the week, check the commandment again. You are absolutely right that we can praise God every day and I suggest that we do but not at the expense of disobeying the 4th commandment. I don't know why we try to look for loop holes to make it seem as if we aren't doing anything wrong when we break the commandments but there is no fooling our Lord and in the end we will surely be the fools if we keep trying.
Bernie485 1 year ago
22 regiment.
cptskellern 2 years ago
You really need to read this in its full context because Paul is just telling them to gather the offering on the first day of the week as they may not be able to come up with it if they wait till the end of the week. Who among us hasn't experienced that dilema? Also there was a plan to go to Jerusalem and it would be prudent to take the offerings along in the middle of the week.....Check it out.
Bernie485 1 year ago
Also Col. 2:16-17
16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
There are also a few suggestions that people could have met at certain times on a Sunday. if Sunday is the first day of the week then this verse suggests they met Acts 20:7
Rotichjoe 2 years ago 2
You need to check your facts and get Pauls intentions more clearly I believe. For we know that God doesn't change and Jesus told us that the commandments would stand forever (even the smallest punctuation marks will remain forever) and clearly stated that he had not come to do away with the commandments (any of them) but to magnify them. Jesus actually put more emphasis and detail in each of the commandments through his teachings. He truly blessed us by doing that but still some are confused.
Bernie485 1 year ago
@Bernie485 The commandments are not for The saved, they are To be for the lost, as the {Standard} For there condenmation in the end and The schoolmaster to bring us to Christ because it is impossible keep them in our fallen condition. > and the 4th commandment, > Null.
blackaboe 1 year ago
A lot has been said about the Sabbath but i don't think it actually matters what day someone worships from what Paul says in Rom. 14:5-6
5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth
Rotichjoe 2 years ago
Hi Lachance where are you?
Come on back now ya hear and lets talk some more.
Paul
paulwilfridhunt 3 years ago
Hi there Hdiylove.Its funny that you should mention that little book.I was on the streets of wellington New Zealand around 89 with a bunch of zealous street preachers and some guy comes up to me and starts asking me questions about which day I kept the sabbath day on. His name was Bernie with red hair from Canada and he seemed quite intense with his commuication which impressed me.He gave me that Sunday Law book and about a year later I too became like him and kept the sabbath on the 7th day.
paulwilfridhunt 3 years ago
Hi there lachance. Actually you might have a point there about worship. I was using the term overly loosly and in actuality I should not have said it. But it does it not say in the scriptures somewhere to have a holy convocation on the sabbath day. I will need to check that out. What do you think? Also what do you mean when you say that the Sabbath is nailed to the cross? I appreciate your comments. Keep them coming and God bless you all. The servant of all thats me thats Paul.
paulwilfridhunt 3 years ago
You are so wrong about worship being on the sabbath day. The commandments don't say to worship on the sabbath. It says to keep it holy, which means set apart. What did Yahuwah do on the seventh day? He rested. He gave them a day to rest. However he nailed the sabbath to the cross. Church is not even from Yahuwah. This is nothing more than religious hersesy
Lachance8 3 years ago
Yep, the Sabbath is quite a misunderstood topic and many Christians are fooled over it! National Sunday law by A. Jan Marcussen is an excellent source to go and learn more on it!!!!!!!!!!
hdiylove7 3 years ago
Hi is there anyone out there who would like to comment on this video?
paulwilfridhunt 3 years ago