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  • Its absolutly fantastic to see real old school training. It brings back good memories. To my understaning Chin Na is no excat system but relates to all kung fu styles. The term Chin Na refers to pulling locking trapping or restraining an opponent. I think Chin Na with Tai Chi eneergy is very powerfull. Wing Chun also has much to offer in this area.

  • Actually, most guys who train in MMA do just fine in real life. Punch the opponent in the face, get him in a rear naked choke. Done.

    Stop carrying on like lunchboxes and just train harder.

  • @BADALEX1 yea, good luck landing that punch, guy.

  • @vapido It's quite clear that you don't really have any practical real life fighting experience. Like I said, just train harder.

  • @BADALEX1 explain that please? i wasn't aware of your inside connection to what I have or have not done.

    do enlighten me.

  • @vapido What's the point? You're not going to listen anyway. If you honestly believe that MMA trained fighters are going to have problems landing a punch in real life, you're not going to listen anyway. You probably also believe that 'size doesn't matter' and other assorted nonsense. Do what you like, but my advice would be to train harder.

  • @BADALEX1 you completely skirted the question there. thanks for your insight though.

    and there you go again jumping to conclusions based on things i did not say. maybe youre the mma champ of jumping to conclusions?

    let me put it in simpler terms for you: sure anyone, yes anyone, can land a punch. but if you think "landing a punch and a rear naked choke" is all its going to take to bring down someone whos been training longer than youve been alive is a sad mistake.

  • @vapido I didn't skirt the question. That's what you're missing. No, not just 'anyone' can land a punch. That is depends upon their skill, and the skill of their opponent. I do believer, we were discussing street fights.

    Oh, I understand where you're coming from. Your attitude denotes a lack of practical experience.

    I have always said that there is a simple test. Ask people what they think of boxing. If they say it's crap, they can't fight. MMA is a similar principle.

  • @BADALEX1 so again. you assume i have no practical experience, but do not in the slightest attempt where you gather this info from (see skirting), ive put into use more "practical experience" than i care to remember. which is why i do not feel the need to boast about it.

    since you cant answer anything, howabout a direct question: how does my attitude "denote a lack of practical experience"?

    probably just another boring answer that doesnt really answer anything...

    and repeat. go!

  • @vapido Your attitude, is poor. If you had the experience and training you claim, you wouldn't be quite so agitated. Have a look at say, Brock Lesnar. Think hard about how difficult it would be for him to 'land the punch' and imagine the difficulty in avoiding a rear naked choke from that guy.

    MMA may have flaws, but like boxing, it does have excellent training and conditioning. In real life, it works just fine.

    Well, most of the time.

  • @BADALEX1 where are you getting this agitation from? this i gotta know. oh and my poor attitude? did i hurt your feelings?

    and it may have excellent training and conditioning, but when talking about taiji 99% of mma fights ive seen would be over on the street if one person could put it to use. but they have rules that bar these things. if you knew anything about it, youd know this.

  • @vapido From your comments. Read them and realise. You're not really capable of hurting my feelings, as this doesn't really matter to me.

    Oh yes, Tai Ji. I know all about that, and all about what you're saying.

    What people like you forget is, if the MMA fighter puts his skills to use, the fight is also over.

    Stop being so uptight. MMA fighters are quite tough, and it does work in reality.

  • @BADALEX1 again, you skirt and don't answer anything. I want you to tell me what comments youre talking about. please?

    here's a fact: i grew up in houston through the 90's. home of one of the most violent punk scenes in the nation. you didnt go out on a weekend back then w/out a ruck. i can think of at least 3 guys now who were total pussies back then, guess what? they all practice mma now. im going to go ahead and hop on your assumption train and say you fit this category. it shows.

  • @vapido You're quite disturbed and agitated and it really shows.

    Ah, so they WERE total pussies, but they're not now. Interesting use of tense there.

    No, no. There's no assumption train on my behalf, that's all you.

    Tell you what. Believe whatever makes you happiest, and concentrate on training hard. You'll be better off.

  • @BADALEX1 wow! another skirt! cant you give ONE example? just one.

    then you say i made an assumption. no joke, i told you thats what i was doing. i was simply following your lead, which i also told you i was doing. smart guy.

    point about being a total pussy was that they needed the rules and gloves of mma in a controlled environment to become "tough guys". it shows their inferiority complex, that they had something to make up for. like the big truck/little dick syndrome.

  • @vapido This last post of yours shows it all fairly clearly. Your attitude is poor, your views quite erroneous.

    You say they need a controlled environment to become 'tough guys' yet you laud Tai Ji as an effective martial art.

    Now, is Tai Ji Ch'uan taught in a controlled environment? Or are students simply headbutted when they walk in the door?

    Stop and think for a while, and remove that chip from shoulder. It isn't doing you any favours.

  • @BADALEX1 still you cannot offer up one direct example, but continue with your broad generalizations and assumptions. i give up on trying to get one out of you.

    now, if you knew anything (im pretty sure you know this though) one does not practice taiji to beat the crap out of someone. the point is self improvement of the mind and body, not winning some match, yet it is effective if needed. ive used it with great results in the past.

    see end of my last post for repeat.

  • @vapido So, these people who train MMA, are you so sure that they're only doing it to 'beat the crap out of somebody'? Are you so sure that they're not doing it for self-improvement and self protection? You say that the point of Tai Ji is for self-improvement, then state that you've used it to beat the crap out of people. Yet, again, you do not consider that those people who you claim to despise for becoming tough guys in a controlled environment, may be doing the same thing.

  • @BADALEX1 i never said i used it to "beat the crap out of someone", but i have used it. nor did i say i "despised" (or anything close) them. and again, you continue with your assumptions. what else could i learn to expect from you right?

    they can do it for whatever reason, i was just relating it. and like carrying a gun, needing protection, i would say that is part of the inferiority complex i mentioned. in fact, its on page one

    you proved the rest with your first comment.

  • @vapido By not competing, he achieves victory. I think you missed that I'm not competing, but you are. Have a look at what you wrote about them. "pussies becoming tough guys in controlled environments" clearly, you have a problem.

    So do people practice Tai Ji because they have an inferiority complex? By trying to become better people, doesn't that imply that they also have an inferiority complex?

    Don't people need protection in certain areas?

  • @BADALEX1 quoting what i didnt quote, theres a new low for you. again, i was relating the two. do you need a dictionary? to me it's a funny relation. a bit ironic.

    and again, chinese martial arts being based on bettering ones own mind and body towards enlightenment. if the thoughts of violence enter your mind your doing it wrong. you should read more i guess.

    protection from what? are you scared? the question you asked would imply so. just another generalization id bet.

  • @vapido "i can think of at least 3 guys now who were total pussies back then, guess what? they all practice mma now. im going to go ahead and hop on your assumption train and say you fit this category." "point about being a total pussy was that they needed the rules and gloves of mma in a controlled environment to become "tough guys". Sure, I shortened it a little.

    You should train harder because you're really missing it.

    "By not competing, he achieves victory."

  • @BADALEX1 well, negate the 2nd part since i was just giving you an example of your own wit (2nd time ive had to explain that to you)

    these guys, pussies as they were. are my friends still. again, i was R-E-L-A-T-I-N-G it (time #3 on that one), but good job trying.

    im not sure what you mean by your little quote. and please stop with the train harder nonsense, you sound like a broken record.

    maybe go back and read the middle of my last comment? competing NOT being the point.

  • @vapido I'm aware that you don't understand the quote. Which is, quite hilarious for someone who professes interest in Tai Ji, to not even understand a very basic principle of the Tao.

    You're competing now.

    I'm not.

  • @BADALEX1 oh, i understand that (which i think ive stated more or less 3 times?). but how can you say you are not competing after your first comment (which started this)?

    if you had any concept of it you certainly wouldnt have felt the need to say something so dimwitted. and then continuing to try and prove that your mma is superior to all, instead of taking it for what it is and enjoying its fruits and helping spread knowledge.

    you did the opposite from the get-go.

  • @vapido No, you don't really. It's okay. I've been blind like you're being right now many times before in my life.

    Did I at any point say that I do MMA?

    Calm down, and re-read what you wrote. See what you think then.

  • @BADALEX1 there you go again. you keep saying things, yet offer nothing to back it up. how many times is this now? ive lost count. like im not calm. if anything i find you amusing. (i hope you realize this is the internet) but say whatever fits your logic, i would, but i like to go off what i see and not what i think i see. this seems to be an ongoing trend of yours that you simply refuse to back up.

    did i at any point say you did?

    please respond in an irrelevant manner, as usual.

  • @vapido Er...yes. You did. "and then continuing to try and prove that your mma is superior to all, instead of taking it for what it is and enjoying its fruits and helping spread knowledge." Notice the part about "your mma" directed at me.

    Hey, just go do some circular walking or something. You're far too attached to this.

  • @BADALEX1 durrrr. your mma as in you're a mma fanboy.

    no implication whatsoever that you practice it and if i was why were you not refuting it then?

    dum dum dum dum. watching you skirt around like a blind mouse is more fun than walking in crappy weather.

  • @vapido As I said, you're more than welcome to believe whatever it is you wish.

    Just train harder.

  • @BADALEX1 could've guessed you go with yet another dodge. still cant land that punch can you? told you it wasn't so easy.

    keep looking in the mirror and keep telling yourself that. watch your blind spots when driving around in that big truck of yours.

  • @vapido Actually...in case you haven't noticed, you haven't been able to land a punch.

    I do keep telling myself to train harder. It's probably the best advice there is. Good advice! You always have to watch out for blind spots. Of course, you can't see blind spots, that's the problem.

    The blind spots you're aware of, aren't really blind spots. The blind spots you're not aware of, are very serious problems.

  • @BADALEX1 you obviously missed the analogy.

  • @vapido Nope. I didn't miss the analogy at all. My truck is big, but surprisingly nimble and it handles well.

  • @BADALEX1 yep. you completely missed it.

    good luck out there. looks like youre going to need it.

  • @vapido Eh, considering how much you've missed with what I've said, you're not exactly in a position to throw stones.

    Everyone needs some good luck at least though.

  • @BADALEX1 i think im in a pretty good position. considering, starting with comment #1 from you, you have not once backed up anything you said, despite me asking you to many many times but just continued with your generalizations and assumptions. go back and re read if you need verification on that.

    still no luck on that analogy, or anything else. sorry, i guess some got it, some dont. you obviously being the latter.

  • @vapido Where people think they are, and when they actually are, tend to be two very different places.

    Yes, the formless is hard to grasp isn't it?

    Like I said, you didn't get mine, so you really shouldn;'t throw too many stones.

  • @BADALEX1 still don't have anything?

    its kind of humorous watching you stumble about. go pick up a book and pull out some more quotes. maybe youll land that rear naked choke.

  • @vapido The sad thing is, I've had your attitude before. I'd like to explain, but I know you won't understand. I've been there before myself.

    Like I said, train harder.

    Oh, I never have a problem landing the rear naked choke. Well, once. Went for the forward one instead.

    Amazing how a rear naked choke ends up being a much less violent way of subduing an opponent in the end. Anyway. Seriously, as you like man.

  • @BADALEX1 the really sad thing is, that you can't answer a simple question.

    I've had enough asking, pleading for one from you. You can't do anything but change the subject. Also funny how I'm the one with the I guess you mean "bad attitude"? yet you are the tough guy on youtube talking about how easy this and that is for you.

    you my dimwitted fellow, are a joke.

    just cop out after dodge after cop out. I see this is a trend with you, I point it out, and you keep repeating! haha

  • @vapido Can't, won't, and have many times are three different things. As I said, believe what you like. As you chose to believe that I can't, or haven't, that's your choice and I'm not going to persuade you otherwise.

    Fighting skill, is not that hard to acquire if one simply invests time and effort. Most people on the 'street' are not particularly well trained if at all. Thus, defeating them is no sign of great skill. When I say it is easy, it is.

    Have you not understood this yet?

  • @BADALEX1 you haven't. the proof is right there. and remains. and looks like you never will.

  • @vapido The problem is, when you don't see something, yet think you can, is that you see it even less.

    Someone says "Think about it. Defeating untrained opponents is no cause for boasting."

    And you respond, by not thinking about it.

    Like I said, you're welcome to believe whatever you like.

  • I wonder how long he'd last in the UFC cage, against someone in his weight class? I've never seen any traditional martial arts style practitioner go more than one round, with a Mixed Martial Arts pratitioner. This suggests that the traditional styles are far too narrow in scope, to be pratical in reality. Yes, of course, the trad. styles teach good striking, joint locks, etc,, but this isn't enough in the real world. Just watch the match-ups between trad. artists and MMA, trads. always lose.

  • @kickinbackinOC Traditional martial arts and MMA are in complete diffrent leagues, do you really think someone who trains in MMA will be able to defend themselves in the 'real world' which is completely diffrent to training in a ring? you seriously think real world violence is like two fighters in a ring? you do realise that criminals who murder and rape 'ambush' their victims? what part of fighting in a MMA trains them for surprise assault?

  • @WiseManFoolMan Ask Bas Rutten. He seemed to do okay against surprise assault. But then, he had practical experience beforehand.

  • @kickinbackinOC tell that to Machida

  • @kickinbackinOC Eh, no. It isn't the case of 'traditional martial arts' being too narrow in scope, or not practical in real life so much as it is a case of lots of people puporting to teach martial arts who've never been in a real fight in their life and don't know how to apply the techniques in real life nor how to teach others to do so.

    "Traditional martial arts" developed during a time when people used it to kill each other in real life. The Art is fine, the practicioners...

  • need a lot of practice and ofcourse to cut nails;D

  • This is incredible stuff! Try the tiger grabs until failure after your regular forearm training. Also, notice his thick knot of tendon development around his wrist which is right where you will feel the burn.

  • This is cool - and it's nice to see people still doing traditional exercises but in my humble opinion, I think that if you want to develop really insane grip strength intersperse your kung fu training with rock climbing - in particular bouldering. Nothing beats gripping something so hard because you think you're going to fall off and die!!! Just check out some bouldering videos - you need explosive power, extreme tendon strength and accuracy - not to mention vulcan death grips!

  • @kcwliew Your right about grip strength through climbing but you dont need very much strength to crush some ones hand; but only enugh strength to grip them at the meridians to execute your movments on them. Thats what Qin Na is about, using the nerves to weaken the muscles and you dont have to waste movement with force.

  • holy crap... i did some of this for like 5 minutes and my hands are fking sore. im gonna favorite this.

  • 7:02 Shaolin centipede jump technique!

  • @eraq777 hey you're right

  • where can i see the whole documentary

  • Awesome!

  • My favourite was the finger wave! bye-bye!

    The first one...the Tiger Claw thingy freaked me out in double time....I screamed!

  • Ive noticed that not all the videos are up from this. come you so kindly place them all on youtube, as I'm very interested in these. Thank you

  • If you want to see more videos, just type chin na and you'll se my videos on.

  • WHERE CAN I GET THE FULL VIDEOS??

  • go to youku for the full vid :):)

  • but what is the name of the vid in youku?

    and what do you have to write in search

    (because my chinese isn't so good yet

  • Very informative. Thank you, man.

  • isn't this video copyrighted?

  • =) funny comment indeed

  • Its not the full video. Just a sample.

  • Congratulations for these marvelous techniques and exercises, peace

    Sensei Roberto Saavedra

    Queretaro, Mexico

  • this chin na training is brutal on the tendons >> thankx for postin love yangs vids ! and yea he really is thast good >>

  • do u have part 2

  • Wow.. I don;t get it.

  • look at the size of those forearms, lots of training lots of speed. Dr. Yang is an amazing martial artist. If you really have to see the speed goto his seminars. Or just buy the video, yang martial arts association website. This is not a style, its apart of chinese kung fu called chin na...

  • Is an interesting video but yes its fast forwarded you can see that in the controls above the screen, and this is not wing chung

  • This style is not wing chun but Bai He quan (white crane ) !!

    The speed is real. Master is my teacher's instructor and he move really so fast.

  • The style is "Wing Chun", a very famous martial arts style from southern China. You train your swiftness very hard in Wing Chun, a professional can punch 8-10 times a second. Awesome style. Perfect for self-defence and dangerous situations.

  • is it being fast forwarded or is that real time? still, this video is sick mean! really sexy!

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