Tool, math, patterns, life

[sollusgreatsword]

have you ever thought of why the brain would ever need emotions or a consciousness

cos it shouldnt need it to survive so why is it there

so during 'evolution'why would the brain make these

btw no matter wat you think emotions always dictate your actions

[TochoTheJester]

Funny, how the leght of your video is 9:42.

[gryfnsroost]

you might like the book "Power of Limits" or the "Tao of Physics" or "Dancing Wu Li Masters"....or "Hidden Messages in Water" ...all the best to you in this journey ;)

[BullsEyeRocker]

Tool is so bad ass

[thegohstoftroymclure]

You must watch "Pi" as in the greek letter by Darren Aronofsky.

[stett99]

tool uses ritual magick in their songs, they are luciferian free masons, look this up if you don't understand

[Santijiwi]

Im sorry to be such a wiseass but fibonacci is a "basic as can be" recursion and it is quite commonly used in music, painting and dancing (among other arts), it is pretty easy to apply (i studied computer science) and easily progammable

[thedarkener]

Hey man, thanks for your replies =) Yes, I have learned a lot of what you're saying since making this vid - the iPod dimensions = phi/golden rectangle, fibonacci in computers (such as SQL query searches using it to find data), Da Vincis etc.. I appreciate all of your insight! You seem like a very cool person. I've never heard of it being used in dancing!! That is very interesting.

[Santijiwi]

@thedarkener Thanks man,it seems you r quite enlightened... intelligence is not the number of things u know, it is actually the potential to use them what counts. U seem to have a very open mind and it is cool that u have researched this things. It's a cool vid though, keep it up!

By the way, excuse my english, Im from Costa Rica so... hahahahaha

You also seem to be a very cool person.

[Santijiwi]

this spiral thing that u see is actually based on something called the aural number or the number of god, as some say hahaha. The ipod is an aural rectangle and thats why it looks so perfect. The aural number is 0.618 an this is the proportion that everything is made under... Vitruvius (leonardo davincis drawing of a man with spread arms) is actually a comfirmation of this number and he used it to say how the perfect man's proportion should be...

[Santijiwi]

Just so u know, i love tool, i play guitar, drumset, bass, piano and mandoline and i studied "solfeo" for two years (not scales, but actually reading music).

This said, i gotta tell u that if this is what u like, u should listen to some paganini, wich is incredible

[Santijiwi]

The thing is, those time signatures or metrics have been used for a longer time that u can imagine... I saw a comment down here where it said u had it all backwards and i completely agree, the time signature as a simbol, was created to explain and teach something that has always existed. My point is that the day that it became messurable, it was because someone was using it...

[go03eth]

You've got it backwards, buddy.

Life doesn't consist of math, patterns and sequences.

Math, patterns, and sequences are an explanation for something only we conscious beings can perceive and explain (in our own limited terms) in life and reality. This mistaken assumption is kinda like aliens speaking English, as in science-fiction movies.

"And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you"

[thedarkener]

I do agree. How can you explain the incomprehensible other than hitting the ceiling and analyzing what you actually can comprehend?

[battia01]

So why can't I download any tool songs from amazon or ITunes?

[kellann55]

so young and already so enlightened...keep wondering...keep learning and seeking :o)

[17masonry]

Also check out sacred geometry with Drunvalo Melchizedek. It goes over the fibonacci sequence, phi ratios, golden ratio, etc.

[yozeroz]

Nice video. Very interesting topic.

[obliviongreen]

hey dark,ever seen Primer?

been along time friend.

[obliviongreen]

one more thing dark,listen to your words on this video with headphones on,you may be pleasantly surprised to find out your very topic of discussion is reflected the low quality feedback of you monotone.Listen for the "ting"after you stop your main point for a brief elaboration and then pick up the conversation again.Your subconscious is working over time buddy,you might want to be careful.

[thedarkener]

I think I have.. it's been a while though. I know it's been a while since we've talked - I'm still looking forward to your video. =)

[flipknut]

i try to share what you are going through, but ignorant people ingnore me. oh and NOTICE I said 'involve' instead of 'create' I don't use the word 'create' because I lost hope for 'god'. things always concurr to me, "what if this is the only life we have?" or, "there might be no afterlife" I'm only fourteen and look who's talkin

[bloodanddirt]

who says there must be a god for there to be an afterlife, or visa versa. dont rule out god, but dont be religious, otherwise your missing the point.

[flipknut]

I'm not alone then? Fuck, I can't believe I hesitated suicide. Aha, Tool opened my eyes, taught me about life. But hey kid, I view it in another perspective. The world, when I said world mean't humans. We are changing into madness, we complicate over worthless things. We should, have only shelter and food. Instead we complain that, "Buttfuck" my phone is broken" and shit. But perhaps we were involved in this way, to invent and keep going...energizer

[sk8888ordie]

I completely understand the enlightenment you went through!

When I understood the patterns which took only a few days, all of my chakras were activated and I got to the SEVENTH! fibonacci, geometry and fractals are the REAL secret to life! If you understand the spirals and how to "swing on the spiral" = balance you can literally walk on water = do anything!

[sk8888ordie]

Now I'm not sure If you went through the whole enlightenment but I know you understand a little bit

[jotskiaren]

You guys don't understand, Tool i s alla about kittens and maynard is the kitten king. 46+2 = 46+2 46 kitten + 2 new kittens , Parabloa = a kittens name , and so it goes . This has changed my life , in the way of looking at kittens.

[thedarkener]

Shut up dude, that kind of truth is too much for the masses.

[jotskiaren]

But it's true, it's all about the kittens

[thedarkener]

I don't doubt it one bit, friend. That kind of knowledge is very powerful, though. You need to be careful who you broadcast it to. Not many people really understand the universal impact knowing this kind of thing would cause. As Shlaboba (the ancient God of mayonnaise) once said though a vision, "The impact of kitten on human is more than human can handle". Why do you think, only 2 months after Shlaboba said this, Egypt started building the sphinx?

[jotskiaren]

Yeah. the darkness and the shadows of a kittens is too strong for humans to hadle.

[patbuck2]

Yes. Tool have definitely changed the way I listen to music. Becoming a fan of them and their complex musical stylings have made me not really enjoy simple music anymore. I pretty much only listen to them, apc, and puscifer lately...

[thedarkener]

Check out Porcupine Tree (In Abstentia is my fav. album of theirs), and also Thrice (Vheissu is nice, very progressive, as well as their other later albums). They are the few other bands I can consider in the same mindset as the people in Tool. I know there are others, maybe some people can chime in and suggest a few. I need to expand my progressive music collection but I feel like I'm hitting a wall.. I don't really like Rush, King Crimson, I need prog and hard rock/metal with harmony.

[patbuck2]

Yeah. I'm planning on getting into King Crimson as soon as I get some more money to buy some cd's. I also enjoy Opeth, Meshuggah, Dream Theater, Yes, and some other prog rock/metal bands.

[sickboyduke]

the whole world is math, cuz the world gave birth to us and our math. we think in math...but i dont think the whole world is math. its just human subjectivity

[SpunkySkunk347]

Tool is perhaps the most complex and dark band I have ever listened to, the only other band at this level of complexity that I know of is Pink Floyd.

The music is drenched with hidden meaning, delivered with powerful instrumental work and a lyrical intelligence applied by Maynard.

Some of the hidden messages of tool stretch into topics such as physics, psychology, philosophy, chromosomes, neuroscience, spirituality, chemistry, history- its really an educational experience greater than highschool

[Evoduality]

knowledge = everything

everything and anything = entangled

you need more than patterns, patterns are the beginning it ends with astrophysics somewhere along the lines historical content is essential

[keyanage]

all i see in life is patterns - Mathematics is the science of patterns - It just takes you further away from reality- I know I am obsessed with meaningless patterns - It absolutely is horrible.

[thedarkener]

How do patterns take you further away from reality?

[keyanage]

because there is no objective point to the patterns in life, if you need them to describe reality for you you will be dissecting patterns that has no purpose; for your whole life. Not to be confused with admiring patterns through music art & nature.

[darkdonutsmom]

Because It makes you think outside the box. I mean really, Do you really want to think only reality. In reality there is pain and suffering. People killing each or heart break. Because if you think beyond the couse. Then your thinking outside yourself and reasoning. So when you spiral out, in your thought pattens your see the big picture.

[cornflarks]

It doesn't make you think outside the box, really. You should face reality and live reality. Patterns are not necessarily "real" in the extent that they are not a real significant factor of life, but of the life we experience and recreate we formulate patterns, which is human reality, but I guess not real reality? Patterns don't show you the bigger picture entirely, maybe they make things cohesive on a scale of math, but patterns do not represent the big picture.

[jonjb4]

Here's my view on math. Math is a man made thing just like words. There might be a natural side to it but someone had to create everything in math. I mean its not like one day someone found math in the middle of the woods. So who's to say we made math into what we wanted it to be? It might sound crazy but who decided that 1+`1 is 2 or A square + B square = C square? There is some math that is very useful but then there is some that is very complicated and has no use. I hope that makes sense?

[thedarkener]

Rational numbers, IMHO, are definitely derived logically from man. Time is one example - we get pretty close to being able to describe time, but it's always just a little bit off (leap years/seconds?) BUT - things like the Fibonacci sequence are present naturally (Sunflower seed growth patterns).

We've come up with a system that works for us, but it's something of a parable for a more complete truth that exists. That's just my take, though. Thanks for the comment =)

[RyanJBaldwin]

I say numbers coincide with time in that the human brain made it up to help organize thought.

[miaaaiscool]

You took all this information from another video posted before you shot this

Another thing justin was the one who unconciously incoprarated the Fibonacci sequence they have been quoted to say they had no fucking idea they did that it wasnt intentional 

Youre a typical faggot

[thedarkener]

Hopefully you'll study a bit more about how Tool works as a band before posting lame comments like this. You really don't know what you're talking about. And if you do, please site some proof.

[fuckenstunned]

miaaiscool- whats with the hostility... you really need to chill out..take a couple of deep breaths mate,

[miaaaiscool]

Please go fucking kill yourself

tool is good no one need you to analyze it we know its complex shut the fuck up

[obliviongreen]

human? perhaps,but what if that's not enough?if were all apart of the same circuit,then why the need for questions at all? maybe you already know what it is,only you need someone to say it out loud so you can(insert infinite reasoning).or maybe its as simple as this,it's you,only you forgot.I'm not even close to clever yet.

[thedarkener]

You're closer than most, I suspect. "It's you, only you forgot." Very Bill Hicks.

Probably, yes. It would explain (does it need explaining?) the naturally heavy use of DMT in the brain during the night. I mean, we sleep and dream every night, and we don't know most of THOSE are any different than our waking life, unless you're lucid. Transcendence is universal through these things.

It's all about drugs. We live because we respond to chemicals. Internal and external.

[obliviongreen]

there is a reason "it's" called the unspoken truth. the further away from the pattern you search,the closer you get to understanding why you shouldn't have never left it in the first place.you don't honestly believe "it" can be solved do you,i mean that's essentially what your trying to figure out,or am i over thinking and over analyzing?

[thedarkener]

I feel that way sometimes. The past couple of days, actually. I feel 'lost', in that I'm trying to find a "purpose" to things. Maybe the concept of purpose is exclusive to our humanness. Maybe, outside our minds, the closest thing to a sole purpose you could translate is to simply "be".

[obliviongreen]

exclusive? I'm curious about something,you seem to have an idea what "it" means,so why would you still feel lost? if it is to simply "be" then why the exchange of ideas between us?(literally)..would you really want the answer,and if so,where would you go from there?

[thedarkener]

To be uncertain is to be human. :) If I claimed to *know* what "it" was, I would be contradicting myself.These 4 dimensions give little information to what else is out there. We probably exchange ideas because we want to simply know what "it" is.

[thedarkener]

I'm definitely familiar with the Golden Ratio/Section, Tool had sort of opened my eyes to that whole world, and now it's a major part of mine. I've been trying to find ways to incorporate it into my own music as well. I'll definitely look up those classical composers, thanks!!

I'd love to hear some of your music.

[FadeNightshade]

I like Tool but Meshuggah owns them rhytmically.

[Krafterr4]

Dude! That's totally what I've come to realize. Though judging by the date you put this up it came way later for me. Haha, thank you dude, thank you very much!

[thedarkener]

Krafterr4, you're more than welcome. I am so happy that this vid has reached so many and has had an impact. =) Thank you for watching!

[Dystisis]

Your concept of balance relates to the number 1 or the monad, often represented in music as 4/4 or a regular bar. Check out these keywords: numeration, division of the unity (which all numbers are), sacred geometry.

[PorkSoda1983]

Tool are just really really indifferent to difference.

[PorkSoda1983]

In Lateralus where the fibbonachi sequence there is a sence of irony rather than depth, if you notice after the lyrics in lateralus where the syllables follow the fibbonachi sequence, Tool then used the lyric "Over thinking Over analyzing separates the body from the mind" kind of ironic if i do say so myself, i've got Every tool album, i love them i tend to think tool plant these little patterns in their songs to be ironic rather than the depth people would say they go into, However still cool

[thedarkener]

Interesting observation! Maybe irony does play a role, but it probably depends on your perspective. the Fibonacci sequence itself is a naturally occurring phenomenon, so it's not so complex to over think/analyze..unless you've never thought of it that way before. I wouldn't say separating the body from the mind is a bad thing, either - it is, IMHO, very important to make that distinction, and it was a big part of me understanding the scope of all of this.

Thanks for the comment!

[FOBrienK10]

i think it's just the opposite.

"over thinking, overanalyzing,

separate the body from the mind"

i think maynard is saying you shouldnt overthink and overanalyze, but instead separate your body from the mind.

[LDLedDevil]

I had just recently read that Justin actually wrote the first heavy riff in lateralus after the intro and he wrote it with the idea of the riff "spiraling out" and if your count it will go 1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9 - 1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8 - 1.2.3.4.5.6.7. and they had originally called the song 987. later they were told that 987 was actually the 16th step in the fibonacci sequence and so on a so fourth. just thought i'd share the knowledge withe a fellow tool fan.

[thedarkener]

Nice. Thanks for that - I'll have to listen to that again and listen for that sequence. I am absolutely infatuated with the patterns they use in their music - it is so different than everything else out there - and it sounds SO GOOD. They are true artists and musicians!

[okidot]

great video but i find it a bit discrediting to the theory that you only mention that 'its also found in nature'over half way through. The fact is pretty much any system that can be mathematically transcribed is founded on the fibbonacci sequence. Its outstandingly incredible and almost haunting. If you actually look up the code related to sound waves im sure you will be very fascinated, certain appreciated scales fall into the sequence, its amazing. Tool aren't the first to use the sequence!

[thedarkener]

I learn more and more every day as it is now seemingly ingrained into my subconscious. I look for it everywhere...and I find it, everywhere. =) Keep in mind I made this video a long time ago when I was just first starting to see all of this stuff. Thanks for the comment! I'd love to hear more re: sound wave code. Are you talking about all sound waves, or ones specific to the fib. sequence/golden ratio?

[okidot]

cool didnt realise it was old, my bad, yeh its found everywhere, its creepy almost. As regards the sound waves, i think most if not certain notes when viewed on a graphic equaliser all meet onto the golden spiral. Its amazing, its almost like the human mind finds logic an understanding in certain stimulus when it is founded on the fibbonacci sequence...

[thedarkener]

I couldn't relate more. I felt like I had the equivalent of a Christian's "born-again" waking up of why we are here and what reality is all about when I discovered the Fibonacci sequence and its relation to everything. Tool, I think, really nailed it on the head with creating stimuli based on the Fibonacci sequence, as well as other naturally occurring mathematical sequences. It would be so cool to talk to any one of them about this stuff. It's hard to explain..it's just who we are =)

[okidot]

i think you should look into some of the classic tribal beats and time signatures, you would find them very interesting. i was learning them on drums before i ever understood why they sounded so odd but right! :)

[cannabishead4420]

I also hate 4/4 lol I lost alot of respect for alot of rappers that I liked alot.. Like lil wayne... All 4/4 every song.. But like Biggie or Bone Thugs they definatly switch it up Tupac as well.. Don't know if anyone knows much about rap.. And I know rap is a little off topic lol i'm just a diverse person I guess I love rap and I LOVE rock...

[cannabishead4420]

You remind me of me soo much I have been tripping about this for the past month.. This whole Tool stuff has... helped towards my enlightenment if you will. I'm a very spiritual person and I realized a few months ago that Tool was as well.. Since then I have been listening to tool like everyday and trying to find more things in the songs...

[thedarkener]

You're definitely not alone, friend =) I have 10k Days in my car right now..I really wish there were other bands that could harness the things Tool does...But I don't get tired of them.. =)

[cannabishead4420]

I've been trying to explain this same thing for ever now!! About Tool.. Thanks for the help. Very nice video.. Love tool very insperational band

[onefourzeroeight]

Hi, nice post and your explanation of why "popular" music

is "simpler," pretty much explains itself. :)

Just a note, Fibonacci sequence starts with 0.

0 +1 = 1 and 1 + 1 = 2 and so on.

But good post. :)

[atzqua]

in some cultures the number 4 is BAD LUCK... we do a lota 5, 7, 11.. check it out.

[fortheloveofking]

Many progressive bands are equally as brilliant. The reason Tool is acclaimed for it isn't because of their irregularity but because of their popularity and their accessibility in the alternative rock genre. You should check out some technical death like Necrophagist for example. It has less of the "astral" feeling that you find in bands like Floyd, but not only will you find these obscure time sigs, but the sheer playing ability will break your neck along with it.

[thedarkener]

Thanks for the responses - I agree with you. I know Tool didn't "discover" these things, but the manner in which they applied these mathematical concepts into their music caused me to look deeper into the meaning of the concepts themselves - and THAT'S what opened my eyes. Tool just served as a ...well, tool. ;) If there music wasn't so beautifully arranged, I probably wouldn't have ever seen it.

[fortheloveofking]

Truly irregular sigs, like the ones you'll hear in Tool, don't even stay within a pattern or 7/8 or 5/8 or whatever, but add a dimension like.. 3/4/8, which I don't even understand. I found this video searching for a specific Tool song that uses some obscure astral physical algorithm, which is why I said that the time sig is predetermined and not where they let the music take them.

[fortheloveofking]

Epiphany? I don't mean to sound like a dick, but have you heard of astral phsyics? I'm sorry if it takes Tool songs for you to notice it, but Newton managed it without them. Tool really is brilliant though. Not that they've discovered these algorithms, but that they were able to utilize them. It's very hard to incorperate predetermined time sigs into your scale. It's really more natural to let the scale take you wherever it wants to go. But taking an equationa and building a song around it? Hard

[jeffjuco]

right on, man! You probably know that one aspect of the song Lateralus is that it compels the listener to live laterally, not linearly, like the fibonacci sequence. to ever expand, grow and search. I think thats what you're doing. it seems your discoveries are causing you to research more, to expand your knowledge, understanding, and perceptions. so i encourage you to "spiral out, keep going" you "may just go where no ones been." that is, you may discover what no one thought was possible.

[cannabishead4420]

I totally agree with you... It's sort of odd that I stumbled on this video.. Lots of weird "coincidences" have been happening lately.. But man.. I'm so happy I have found someone almost exactly like me.. (The dude in the video) It's... Conforting... In the past few months I have discovered many many beautiful things and the song Lateralus has kind of.. Penatrated deep into my thoughts.. It inspires me to do great things.. Love your reference to the tool song lol..

[PirloXXX]

fibonacci series starts with zero.... 0+1=1 ; 1+1=2 ...and so on....update your monologue.

[thedarkener]

Whoops, thanks for that!

[Guitarro13]

0 is not a part of the sequence. If you start the sequence at 1 and add the previous number. there is no previous number in my sequence so it is added to zero. . . I know this to be true because about a month ago, I had a conversation with my math professor for an hour on this very issue, I don't understand the number zero well enough to understand why it is not included though . . .

[sajaz83]

Tool are a frighteningly smart band. the only band that makes music which is not just art, but also a science, in the way it addresses issues and tries to discover new things - musically, and otherwise.

[sajaz83]

thanks for posting this. i feel that on a subconcious level the listener is effected by everything in a piece of music, incl the counts and time signs. i think that a certain time signature may reinforce the "emotional and philo" content of a song - if the time sign "functions" in a way that is similar to the rest of the content of the music (e.g. Schism).

and rightly pointed out, Danny will at times play a different bar to say, Adam.

[thedarkener]

This is great conversation =) I'm glad to have found others that see this. I agree that all aspects of a piece of music should serve function to a bigger 'picture' - and they do it in such an elegant way, the replay value of it all is just astounding. I *still* find new things every time I listen to their music (especially Lateralus and 10k Days).

[thrownclear]

The big difference between the way Tool uses different time signatures and other "prog" rock bands use odd meters is that Tool writes in phrases. For example - Dream Theater may write with alternating meters from bar to bar like 5/8 to 4/4 to 12/8 to 3/4 etc. etc. but Tool will say OK lets take a phrase blocking of 24 and then break it down to 9+8+7. Now if you listen Adam will play something a little more straight froward during this phrase & Danny&Justin will play the descending pattern.

[thedarkener]

I've noticed this a lot in 10,000 Days (can't remember which song) but it was a "phrase block" of 12 - Justin+Danny would play in 3/4 and Adam played in 4/4 - it would meet up at the end of the phrase and really make for some multi-layered music that sounds awesome. Thanks for the comment!

[rickdsurber]

I overlooked tools intricate time signatures and chilling lyrics for a long time. Then one day I paid attention...Their music is the closest thing to a religious expeirience I have ever had. These close minded pop-culture sheep that leave comments are not now, or will ever be "On The Level". It is hard to go back to listening to talentless krap (like old henry's country) after you listen to Tool. Well spoken man, maynard would be impressed

[jeffjuco]

i agree about the 'religios experience' part. Tool's music has definitely brought me closer to God then any secular religion ever could. tool has exposed me to things (like the mathematics that appear in nature for example) that have permanently altered my perception of our universe. There will never be another band like Tool ever.

[oldhenry333]

tool is what you listen to before you realize country is better

[dnikhilrao]

you ramble on and on my friend. i thought you d have something new to say about tool.

should have been a 2 minute video, if you were hell bent on making it in the first place.

[ratmtestify]

gud vid i agree wit u

[Anonymousfelix]

You should try DMT man. You're ready for it.

[kmfdmgodlike]

REALLY broaden his horizons lol.

[reflectionist]

Mainstream music follows the same musical pattern. 4 beats to a measure, with 4, or 8 measure phrases. There's a lot of VCVCBCC in modern mainstream music.

[Spyral2112]

You talk about 4/4 like its a bad thing. Its not. And Tool is not the only band to use odd time signatures.

[derbiPROrevolution]

what?!?! lol, stfu.. keep your problems to your self..bla bla bla:P

[jumaster20]

fag

[thedarkener]

My heckler is back! =p

[foamyjesus]

the pot is 4/4

parabola is 4/4

prison sex is 4/4

Tool are awesome, but you're really just speaking the obvious.

[thedarkener]

Wow, I never realized The Pot was 4/4 (or rather 16/16). They subdivide the measures up to where no 4 beats repeat. It's like adding a layer of abstraction on top of common beat structures. No matter it sounds so good. ;)

[magicwaldoman]

dude, i've had all of these same thoughts and only me and my best friend (another tool fan) know about them, i'm really glad that i'm not alone.

it's actually really amazing how it seems like you're reading my own mind lol

[dannycarey21]

i feel exactly the same best band ever personally...their talents combined are uncomparable.FUCk i could talk forever about them i love em and will listen to them til im 90 years old

[foolsonparade]

What will you listen to at 91?

[dannycarey21]

APC?¿

[cannabishead4420]

Rofl

[crystalinkato44]

is eyeslikeholes serious? very depressing if thats so.

[magicwaldoman]

if he/she says that enter sandman is a tool song then there's about a 1 out of 1 chance that he/she is lol everyone and their uncle know's that's metallica

[CrunchToastMan]

you suck at life

[thedarkener]

Ouch! =p

[EyesLikeHoles]

TOOL is ok, but they dont really compare to bands like A Simple Plan and Good Charlet. And if you want deep and meaningful lyrics, check out Bright Eyes. My favorite TOOL song is Enter Sandman.

[thedarkener]

I hope you're joking!! =p

[cannabishead4420]

ROFLMAO

[xevios5]

dude i am so glad somebody else realized the partnership of mathmatics and reality and i have noticed that before i listened to tool but they do have veery beautiful music but its not the music that makes it beautiful its the way that math that is realized through the most beautiful things in nature and reality converts into math and then in to music

[thedarkener]

=) Thanks for your response. It is always so nice to see other people that are on the same wavelength as I am. "Discovering" math and it's intricate relationship to our overall reality (not just physical time/space) was absolutely life changing for me. This vid was capturing my early thoughts on the subject after I saw that. Thanks again =)

[cannabishead4420]

I may not know you.. But I am proud of you.. Seems we are both on the path for something greater..

[Zabek2006]

my cat listened to tool yesterday - now he´s dead

[thedarkener]

LOL... Well, if you read the disclaimer on their CDs, they explicitly warn you about that kind of stuff.

[Zabek2006]

... it was a bootleg

[kedlo]

eat my bum

[thedarkener]

Hmm.

[r0berito]

Tool (and Rush) are great at making weird beats flow... I've listened some to Dream Theater and they made like EVERY beat change (4/4 to 16/64 or whatever) so obvious - while I barely even notice the changes in Tool's time signatures. At least on their more recent albums (Lateralus and 10,000 Days) there is a much more natural flow than broken up 5/4 patterns and 7/8 in staccato. Though I guess they could make that flow too ;)

[thedarkener]

I've noticed this, too. It's extremely hard to get odd time signatures flow, especially when changing from one to another. It's all about bridging. =)

[Empty1016]

I just saw a tool video on MTV, I'm confused...

[MikeBee74]

Man you sound like a person that just took a toke. But very interesting.

[WillyWonkaIsSatanic]

and at 8:40 to 9:00 that pattern your talking about is a wave .. see sine

[WillyWonkaIsSatanic]

the whole song (lateralus) from front to finish in all instruments and vocalities were all in the fibonaci sequence .. i dont just mean in beat but the lyrics imply it as. the cd also moves from birth to death as well .. but im sure you guys have seen as much as i ahve

[dusteroo]

Of course ~ all things in the universe are tied in to one another in relation through the language of Math.

One who has pure understanding of mathematics, has the ability to connect at profound levels of potential - with anything.

{which supports my theory that this dimension we're in and conscious of, is more like a Matrix.. A very hi-tech matrix in which the brilliant part is infinity. When people understand the infinant universe, they'll understand the infinant of themselves.

[remmy01]

yes tool rocks.

[RosettaStoned22]

I agree with what you're saying.

Tool is amazing, almost unhuman, with what they can do. Not only with time signatures and maths, but the way I actually go on a journey when I listen to their albums. Like a movie.

Yet at the same time, I can 'rock out' to single songs. Their music seems to serve every purpose. If only I could write music the way they do...

Kudos to you though.

[bshrules85]

It seems like you were a little high and philosophical when you did this! Very well put though, Tool is awesome. It's funny because I agree with everything you say about their odd time signatures and how intriguing their music is. When I found out about how they were into sacred geometry, it really interested me because I actually do like math (I'm an engineering graduate student). Anyway, hopefully this video inspires some people to give Tool a chance.

[defaultuser11432]

lateralus happens to be my favorite

[introvertebrate]

That is awesome... Tool are the greatest band in the world and I have been obsessed with the fibonacci since I fist heard of it but never noticed Tool use it!  butas soon as you mentioned Lateralus it clicked! Amazing!

[pronely]

I can create songs in 4/4 that are very unpredictable. Well, good for me. Tool is great band. I'm sooooo tired of music controversy though. All we need to do is control how much our children watch t.v. And explain how it forms a way of thinking. "Their" way.

[ecstatica23]

Tool is one of my most favorite bands, this is a very interesting analysis of their song writing, maybe that's one of the reasons why I love their music so much. I am a musician as well, and I think that at a subconscious level I realized this. it's like an abstract dream of music that you can just lay back and listen to and lose your self in it. Like life they are not always predictable.

[parabola07]

nicely put ,well done

[JacksonShredder18]

tool needs leasons from Dream Theater.

[thedarkener]

Why?

[wowzer77]

dude both bands are great especially when it comes to unique time signatures, besides, on a video I saw of Dream Theater in the studio Mike Portnoy lists Aenema as one of his major influences on the upcoming album..

[VicBass]

Wow, so you're saying Tool is the first band to not play in 4/4? Hm, very intriguing. Now I get it! *shrugs*

[VicBass]

Hm, it's very intriguing when bands "start playin in 4/4 and change to something else." Wow homie, I do believe that's called a time change. Something that was invented a long time ago. Not by Maynard. Give me a break.

[thedarkener]

Never said they were the first, my friend. I'm not sure where you got that from the video.

[VicBass]

I understand your points but a lot of other bands have done what Tool is doing. Changing time during songs was one of the foundations for progressive rock music which originated in the 60's. Just saying that Tool's methods aren't new sir. :P

[thedarkener]

Never said it was new. I said it was unique in mainstream music.

Of course, I am a Tool fan, not a Rush fan - so naturally, I wouldn't want to talk about Rush. =p Feel free to make a video response and talk about all the other bands who influence you that have styles you enjoy. In fact, yeah. Make a video. =p

[VicBass]

Hm, I might just have to do that! Funny how I never said anything about Rush. Your video is interesting but it doesn't need a response. I'm glad you like Tool and I'm glad they're incorporating older styles of music into their songs, but once again *sigh* for the last time my point being, other bands have already done what they are doing. Thanks!

[DezerDumbringer]

I think he was using Rush as an example for example I wouldnt talk about Britney Spears because I dont like her.

[MetalManiac72]

Ok, we can play this game all day; but at the end of the argument we are both still assholes quarreling instead of appreciating art for what it is.

[Glock63]

Watch the movie Pi. I think you will find it interesting.

[thedarkener]

Lateralist recommended that to me too, thank you =) I'm trying to find out where I can get my hands on a copy... I haven't been so "in to" this stuff the past few weeks, I'm feeling an urge to delve back into it. I need balance... I need my camera back too =p

[Glock63]

I think you can get it at best buy for pretty cheap, like 9$.

I just watched your video again and, what you hit on was jazz. Tool has incorperated a lot of jazz beats into their music. Off time signatures is what jazz is all about, especially the New Orleans style jazz. Although no jazz bands that I know of, incoperate fibbinocci sequence into their music.  They still use somtimes strange time signatures.

[thedarkener]

That's what a lot of people tell me. I remember Maynard Keenan trying to explain their music to an interviewer one time - he called them a "Jazz (something) Fusion" or something like that. Although Jazz incorporates these techniques heavily, I find a lot of it hard to listen too still. It's too bad, the music just seems too fast/happy for me.

[cannabishead4420]

You live in N.O???

I love my city!

[Glock63]

Yes I do.!

[DJAngelusZero]

It cant happen that way. The masses are called the masses for a reason, they are those that perpetuate mediocrity. If everyone was special, then that special quality would become mediocrity and no longer be special.. oh by the way I made a typo in my first comment... "much" was supposed to be "makes" lol...

[thedarkener]

;) But think about this - if everyone became 'special' by learning some of the things Tool is trying to communicate, then there would be a new meaning of 'special'.. like evolving!

[DJAngelusZero]

Tool are definately unappreciated by the masses... but thats a good thing... that much those of us that love them special :)

[thedarkener]

I agree, I think it's awesome that we've got a 'special' little understanding with them - but wouldn't it be awesome if EVERYONE understood what they were saying, and all thought for themselves? Broke the mold and we experienced so many different perspectives from people? =)