I work in the metals inspection business, and unless you actually test the steel, you can not trust the stamping (from anyone). Boeing had a recall on some bolts that were counterfeit from ....yup, you guessed it...China. Anyone who thinks they are getting the same quality from a China product should be waiting for their check from Nigeria...lol I have Chinese products, and some are hit or miss, but I don't kid myself to think they are all the same quality as US made stuff.
Stop saying china dont care bout their citizen and dirty.,. Lets compare to shinjuku in Tokyo, many homeless and everywhere is trash dirty and urinated
I agree. Spyderco is having some very high end folders made in China, and Tawain as well these days. I have always frowned on knives made in China and Tawain for most of my knife buying history, however, many of the top name brands in knives are now having knives manufactured in these places, and they are producing some good stuff. It has changed my outlook regarding them.
@mkeulr China supply's tech, and weapons to all your enemies, they have an underground nuke stash that's larger then Russia and ours together. They promote country's like Iran and north Korea. They do cyber attacks. China artificially lowers there prices and currency in an attempt to hurt foreign industry, while limiting the export of rare earth's, that keep our prices higher. They treat their people like slave labor.
Actually, a better comparison would be Manix-Delica/Endura-Tenacious/Persistance/Resilience/Ambitious. Byrd is a whole other class since it's a sub-cumpany, the economy folder series is made in China and they're well-made, as well from the same main company.
You mentioned China imprisoned its' people, however the U.S. has the largest prison population in the world. And we make our prison so nice that it doesn't even detour crime. 3 hots and a cot with weights and cable tv and no responsibility. I've been to Beijing, have you? That is a huge ass city but extremely clean, no trash on the ground, no homeless panhandling, and far less violent crime. So their gov is doing something right, also their economy is generating money instead of spending.
Just so you know, even though Spyderco makes their cheaper knives in China, every time you buy an expensive Spyderco knives not made in China, you still support the company indirectly, and Spyderco probably laughs at you all. I just got the Spyderco Tenacious by the way.
The people who put lead in the baby formula got executed by the chinese government and they get a bad rep because SOME of the manufactures are bad but many are really good. So stop hating on chinese goods.
Yeah... ive had cheap china shit almost cut my fingers off during use, from now on i only buy japan/USA the odd time knives made here in canada too but were not much for steel manufacturing, i made an exception for the ka-bar TDI small serrated model (made in taiwan)
Jeez MBV.....Now I feel awful about sending you those Chinese knives....
HEY! If you don't like em I give ya double your money back! :-)
I do agree with you though. I bought a Millett scope for a AR the other day and was dismayed to see it was made in China. Oughta be a law that online stores have to give the country of origin for all products.
in china if you are buying a knife people with decent means always get those made in Japan, Korea or the US. China manufacture doesn't catch up on making knives, and knives are a quasi-life-time investment for a household (at least in China that is, we are people with lesser means you see). And make no mistake, US steel could easily sell more than 1000 Yuan in China. What i mean is it depends on the good itself.
Sad to say people DON'T in the main buy for quality - they buy for cheap.
The worst offenders are of course the multinationals, who will have goods made in China & then sell them at the same price as home produced goods.
Penn rods & reels, any spinning reel, virtually any fishing rod under £100, 99% of outdoors clothing & luggage.
I have no option BUT to sell this overpriced crap, because there isn't a manufacturer left who can compete on price with the artificially low Yen exchange rate.
Think about it..what if people are talking shit about your country? How would you feel? Every country in the world did something wrong. You don't have to keep remind people how bad a country is. It's really hurtful you know? I was born in USA but i was rise in China. I know China did a lot of bad things but i know soon China will Change! I hate when people just look at the bad side of a country. Why don't you all look at the bright side of a country! I felt really bad after watching this video
@kerorogundam00 You know wah? I really hate it when someone like you pulls the empathy card. If they want it to change then they should make it change. Laziness is one of the biggest reasons for communism. I understand you were rise in china, but that does not take away from the fact that chinise knives are CHEAP.
Thanks for putting the companies out there who use Chinese labor. I buy knives online and don't know until I get them if they're made in China guess I need to research the manufacturer before buying.
I have the tenacious and several delicas...heck I have a ton of Spydercos and only one is Chinese....it is what is. I prefer the Seki city knives(delica) as I have been carrying them for over 15 years. I carried the tenacious for a few months and I can tell you this the steel doesn't compare. I say spend the extra money and get a good steel. As for Kershaw they sell very few knives that have the carry options like spyderco. The U.S. Spydercos are nice too.
If one expands this beyond the knife realm, it is extremely difficult to get away from buying products made in another country. Honestly for me it comes down to buying quality. Very thought provoking ideas about what we are purchasing and what we are supporting.
I got a knife from China a while ago. It was marked Stainless. Sitting on my end table, dry, it rusted. How is that possible if it is stainless steel? Oh, and to your reference, Tank Man was bad ass, hard core to say the least.
it sucks that even stuff made 100% parts made and assembled in the us, the quality still sucks. I have had alot of 100% us made products fail on me. i think japan made stuff is better then us made stuff. and i have proof of that. toyota yaris. 100% made and asembled in japan. they build them and load them on tankers and bring them to the us. never had 1 problem and was the only toyota not affected by the gas pedal recall. or any other recall going on. sorry but us made stuff has fell far.
@dp665 I agree, a lot of my friends actually don't buy toyotas that have been assembled or made in the US, only Japan. [there is a way to check that] And I have owned 3 japanese cars, and the rest of my family has a japanese maker car [except one, has a hyundai], and I can say from experience, those ones that has been 100% japanese made have been going strong over 150 k miles without a problem. However I have had issues with japanese cars but assembled in US or canada. EG rattling in car for one
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I foolishly assumed the entire Spyderco brand was made in one country. I own many Spyderco knives. I have a Tenatious, liked it so much, I gave one to my brother and bought 5 more for myself. I hate to admit it, but it is a pretty nice blade, especially for the price I got it for, under 30. However, had I checked and found out it was made in China, I would have purchased Enduras instead. Thanks for opening my eyes.
i agree that stuff in china is cheaply made, but some people just cant afford to buy a kershaw or benchmade, however ive never heard of anyone hating on a byrd knife except you before this vid, that said that is whats great about youtube, everyone gets there voice! Great video, brings up some great conversation!
i think your wrong the byrd cara cara is a great knife, i think u atomatically say its bad because its made in china i bet if it was made in the us and was exactly the same you would say its a great knife, its more of your mentality
I understand what you say about not buying chinese products because of slave labor.But if you dont buy chinese things because you dont want to support a bad governement you could say that about almost every single country.
If you think like that then you stop buying products made in the USA because it means that you support a country who is for the death penalty, against gay rights and such.It's just a too simple way to see things to think that CHINA means evil and USA always good.
Actually, you "WIN" auctions, you don't buy auctions. If he won the knife in a $1 raffle for a cancer awareness function guess what? He "WON" it there too.
@Devildoc1336 So he won the bidding war, he bought the knife. In a raffle draw yes, you win stuff, because you buy tickets, it is completely different from ebay.
@Devildoc1336 your logic as you may look at it sounds good to you, but it is flawed. Yes you do "win" auctions, but in the process you are PAYING a price for that auction that you have won. Thereby paying you are still in essence buying.
I am sorry MBV but this video is very borderline for me. As others have said you have not gone to the factory, and are making comparisons between a knives with a wide price range. And I know its not you, its your viewers on saying it, but some of the racial comments like "Excellent analysis about the commies - better red than dead", "its pretty funny that the byrd knife actually looks like a chinese I mean the round hole vs the almond shaped comet hole". Thank you for a long run, but unsubbed.
When the US government becomes a friend to business once again maybe industry will return. But when you have a government that wants to create class envy and hate for capitalism and wants to regulate the hell out of business then you really cannot blame capitalists for going where they can manufacturer at decent price without being controlled by labor unions. That said, I try to buy American made first.
I looked long and hard at those Byrd knives and decided to hold off. Glad I did, I have an endura 4 and I bet that Byrd would feel like a turd in comparison. Good vid with VERY valid points, Take care MBV,
I still think the byrd knives, the benchmade red class, and the sog fusion are still better knives than a cheap $10 knife you pick up at a flea market, granted their all made overseas in taiwan and china. i guess what im saying is that i agree with you saying china's slave labor and government is cruel but would still go with a byrd rather than a no name cheapo, maybe you should check out the g-10 or frn and maybe you could get rid of the sharp corners problem
I'm a fan of ALL knives, and sometimes China makes great knives for the money. I don't discriminate just because a knife was make in China or in USA or in my home country Poland. All countries make great knives. I guess its just my train of thought :). I thought i'd share. Anyways good topic to discuss
-cont. If the tenacious used say VG10 or 154CM, the knife would be around a $90 knife. If you own many Spydercos, you would notice that all 8Cr13MoV knives come out of China. VG10 comes out of Japan. S30v comes out from Tawain. etc etc. As for the Meadowlark, pick up a G10 version. You will feel more quality. All SS of Spyderco and Byrd feel like crap, in my opinion.
I'm going to have to disagree with you on the knife part. Have you ever held a SS Delica, Endura, or Police? They feel pretty much the same as the Byrd SS. The meadowlark is a $20 knife and the Delica is a $50 knife. There is a huge difference in price range there. The Tenacious and the Manix are both good knives. They are both smooth. Fit and finish are excellent. If the tenacious was made in the US it would have to use a different steel.
***** MBV! keep up the good work ...I have many knives 200-300 i have no idea...some china made are decent for the money.."rough rider" comes to mind...but my keepers and EDC knives are always USA, Germany, Scandinavian, Japan made...well you get the idea...Most of my china made are ready for ebay or trade...Thanks for the vid ...love your channels...dak
After spyderco put out her Byrd line Benhcmade started their red class (cheap import models) unlike spydereco benchmade got lots of flack for selling non USA made knives so they dropped the line BUT still have their HK/and harley davidson models mde overseas...but thery dont care since thery make the knives for them and dont sport the benchmade name...
Even "made in usa" means nothing anymore... they can import 100% of the finished parts from china or anywhere and as long as its assembled in USA they can stamp made in the USA.
China has made huge leaps forward as far as workers pay etc. There is always horror stories the news loves to over play but you can find those right here in the USA in LA using Mexican workers. unless you buy from the maker like Snody you will never know where it truly comes from
@wevor4tard your right... ounce a assclown your always a assclown...
See I was trying to be nice and give you hope that you could become normal.
Thank you for showing me that whatever you do in life you will still always be a assclown.
But thats ok to think the way you do even if the truth is there is no companies in USA making the parts to make anything electronic inside USA. I guess they just click their heels 3 times and a board full of chips pops out of their ass.
i completely agree, i ve lived in China for a while and oversaw manufacturing facilities. I love my people but not my goverement. Sadly it is the case of the companies who pressure the labor workers in going "cheap" for example if johnson and johnson says make this and tht under X amount $, then well if they dont they lose ther jobs so they cut corners......
we are building the Chinese military simultaneously destroying our own military. China WILL invade us when their military can take us, the only thing holding them back is the personal arsenal we still have...for now
Good point, however you have no official references, if you are gonna say that a country is cheap and treats bad their employees you should at least give some official data. I don't disagree with you, it is obvious that for the price of the knife the product feels cheap, but china is not about quality, is about quantity. While Spider-co sells one expensive knife, china sells 50 cheap knives.
8Cr13MoV refers to the additives to the steel to make it stainless, and harder. Some SpyderCo knifes are coming with it now, not just Byrd. Basically the name means "Per volume, 8% Chromium, and 13% Molybdenum. Both are elements on the periodic table.
Vg-10 is similar, but more Chromium, I think 15%, and only 1% moly, and add some Cobolt. VG-10 is japan is called 'Gold Steel 10' because it is perfect for knives. VG-10 is FAR better
I have a friend in Hong Kong. He's well paid, and has said China is a LOT better now than 10 years ago, and they are still improving on their workers' conditions and pay. He said that a lot of the issues with low paid workers come from bad management (the example he gave me was the makers of the iPhone), but slave labour is a lot less widespread than the media make it out to be, because the people are demanding better treatment. Not saying China is the best or anything, just giving perspective
The whole China thing is an Oxymoron too me. China is clearly our enemy, yet they have a huge economy largely due to Americans purchasing the BS they send over here to sell. It makes no sense to me. I buy American whenever I can. I go out of my way to look for the Made In the USA logo.
the U.S used to be the manufacturing powerhouse of the world, then everyone started demanding cheaper products. so the downfall of the U.S can be attributed to the american citizens!
Yep Yep Yep, I do pay more for an American product when available. Take a ball cap, whole rack of hats, chineese 10 bucks, USA hat 18 bucks. USA hat gets bought by me. I am realizing how important this is becoming now days. Huge!! Great Vid Hunter.
I think if people were given the option they would pay more for a lot of stuff if they knew the quality was better...I'm typing on a laptop that has gone through 3 processors that were made in china the first 4 months I owned it only to find out the Chinese company that assembled it put the wrong power rating on the chip causing me to go through them like candy...after all that hassle I'd have paid $3000 for a laptop that worked out of the box and was made in the USA with pride.
The spyderco tenacious is a very bad knife. Had one and sold it. It poped open in my pocket and cut me. I saw two vids where the same thing happened to two well known Youtubers.
@odddreams The early production models of the tenacious did have a tendacy to do that, and as my information goes, from the spyderco forums, spyderco did some QC and did something to fix/better the detent in order to correct that problem.
Without going into politics, China can give a lot of quality if the companies that contract them choose to. On your question of the Tenacious, It offers a harder blade with more carbon than your leek for less money. It also comes razor sharp like the leek, but has G10 scales and a more renowned spyderco name. If spyderco produced the knife in the states they would charge probably 60 bucks for the knife just because it has g10 instead of FRN. Such is the nature of the beast in my opinion.
I totally agree. That being said, Ive got a BUCK Nobleman 327 and its my second favorite folder I own. Like yourself, I had no idea it was a made in China but I got it for $13 in a combo pack with the 325 Colleage. Its the sharpest EDC blade I have, Of coarse my Kershaw Barrage is my #1. I'll be more aware with future purchases.
Im Chinese myself and i agree completely. Ive been there numerous times, and have seen the evil for myself. Its sad though, that even some of my family members dont believe that there government is one of the most corrupt and evil in the world, and that they do evil doings to there own peoples. Without knowing, and being repressed by there government, i dont think any of them can revolt to create a democracy.
dude i agree with you 100% the china gov can burn in hell ,i wouldnt buy one thing that was built in china i dont support them comunist bastards.hey bro you got to check out CHRIS REEVE KNIVES they got a knive called sebenza 21 it feels like your holding a bentley in your hands and there an american company
living in Aussie land we get flooded with Chines made knivies, and i have to say 90% are shite, the best blades we can get are Jap, Euro(most "top quality" knife shops only stock Euro, freaking expensive) or very rare American. I have to get my Knivies imported just like my new Kersaw Skyline( 14c28n had rust spot on the tip outa the box) great edc blade.
Great Vid MBV, great breakdown on the different countries making the knivies, you have just reinforced my view. Take care Bro.
Well until we can control the people who run our country, the United States; I refuse to speak about other countries and their policies. I mean...our government is ran by profit margin...privatized profit margin...until we reclaim our countries infrastructure, foreign policy..and currency...wtf can we do about these bozos selling us out for profit to China? Why wouldn't they? They are sacks of shit this is what they do. Just my opinion anyways.
@kirklanddavis You only used two words, and both of them are done incorrectly. Your loss. would be the correct way of saying it. Or if thats not what you meant, then it would be: You lose.
@NaplesSwampRat I agreed I don't like slave labor,I loved what he did for the flood victims but this whole "how much lead do you think is in this knife?" thing is just stupid I'm sorry but it is he sounds like a conspiracy nut that's just my opinion.
@CutleryNovice i was just sayin that you dont have to agree with every single thing he says to be subed to him. im sure hes said something that i didnt agree with since ive been subed to him. China does have very low standards and they have found lead in kids toys, and the paint they use on them so it wouldnt be shocking to find some impurities like lead in the blade steel
@NaplesSwampRat Those were cases out of how many items sold? And isolated people in management would make those calls. What about management in the US? Lead vs billions of dollars scandled out of peoples money? I think in this economy money vs lead, money can be decimate even more than lead. Think about it.
I own both the Tenacious and the Persistence and in my humble opinion, the quality control on both of them is crap. I own ten dollar blades that are far superior in quality than either of the aforementioned Spyderco knives. As a matter of fact I am finishing up a video in which I review the Persistence and show how bad the QC was on mine right out of the box. Deployment sucks, as the so called bronze bushings were installed wrong and of poor quality. Moreover, the blade has visible wheel marks.
@tabletopreviews It can happen with any of their lines. I have had to send in 4 spyderco knives, and had to have them fully replaced, both only japanese and american made knives. So it is not only chinese ones that have qc problems at times. Although perhaps there may be more on that end than on the jap/us end. This can keep going but I will stop here. I am not trying to defend chinese knives, nor am I chinese if your wondering. I am just trying to point out both sides of the coin,
I agree with you 100%! My family has recently been trying to greatly reduce what we buy from china and increase our US purchases although this is more expensive it is truly worth it.
-cont cannot always afford 75 dollars for a manix, and will opt for a blade length style such as the tenacious, which I have gotten quite a bit of good reviews on from various forums, and yt vids alike. Now I am not arguing with your points, I just think the price points should be the same [eg kershaw leek vs tenacious] instead of a byrd vs kershaw. or a tenacious vs a regular special priced delica. [its quite hard to find a delica for 35 bucks flat, a lot of the new ones are 50 bucks]
@glynn72 yea i know..... what contention are you trying to make? I haven't disagreed with that statement that its cheaper because its made in China VS the US, so why the capitalized 'BECAUSE' ?
The only thing I have things to say is this. You compare the byrd line, which you said was sub teen prices vs a 30 some dollar kershaw which is double the price. The delica you bought is a "regular" black on satin finish blade on sale, most all of my 10 or so delicas have been 50 dollars. The manix again you said is 75 dollars, the tenacious is around 35 dollars. And the point of chinese made are the price factor, which you have proven to be at least half [at regular], and people cannot ---cont
Amen brother I remember working at a fast food restaurant close to an air force base in the late 80's and talking to the pilots and officers who came in.. this was when the soviet union fell apart I asked an officer do we still have enemy's he replied china is still communist and not our friend. God Bless America!!!
I think this country should move away from the service concept and start making products again. Manufacturing made America. Only a fool would spend his money with his competitor and not keep his money in his own house.
Hunter:I was listening to you in this video, and thought... damn I have been preaching this quality concept for years. Mater of fact in this day in time every business has some long ass mission statement or other catch phrase. Well, my business has one too... "Quality whether you want it or not" I see molds made in china these days, Their quality is quite good, how ever with this increase in quality has been an increase in pricing also. Guess you could say the playing field is getting even
i love my byrd cara cara's. i picked em up on ebay for bucks each. and i got a meadow lark and robin for 99 cents each. and for that price i love them. awesome. i have to steel wool some rust off of them every now and then. and coat em with wd-40. my leek was awesome too. the tip is stronger than people think. can you mail me that meadowlark. i will hate china too if you send me it. i think that the japenese blade are the best finished. america is good. but not japanese. i have american cars.
actually, i'm pretty dissapointed in 8cr13mov steel. I just bought a SOG Salute made in china and it's made out of 8cr13mov. It rusts fairly easy. I actually love the knife itself due to the weight (it's heavy) and look of it, but I much prefer AUS8 or of course S30V, VG10 and 154cm.
I agreed 100% with you brother and I'm Chinese :) Down with the Chinese government!
TylerTV 1 month ago
s30v tenacious, golden made, would be sweet
PhillieBRidin 2 months ago
I work in the metals inspection business, and unless you actually test the steel, you can not trust the stamping (from anyone). Boeing had a recall on some bolts that were counterfeit from ....yup, you guessed it...China. Anyone who thinks they are getting the same quality from a China product should be waiting for their check from Nigeria...lol I have Chinese products, and some are hit or miss, but I don't kid myself to think they are all the same quality as US made stuff.
saltyshellback 2 months ago
Stop saying china dont care bout their citizen and dirty.,. Lets compare to shinjuku in Tokyo, many homeless and everywhere is trash dirty and urinated
brian518508 2 months ago
I agree. Spyderco is having some very high end folders made in China, and Tawain as well these days. I have always frowned on knives made in China and Tawain for most of my knife buying history, however, many of the top name brands in knives are now having knives manufactured in these places, and they are producing some good stuff. It has changed my outlook regarding them.
mkeulr 2 months ago
@mkeulr China supply's tech, and weapons to all your enemies, they have an underground nuke stash that's larger then Russia and ours together. They promote country's like Iran and north Korea. They do cyber attacks. China artificially lowers there prices and currency in an attempt to hurt foreign industry, while limiting the export of rare earth's, that keep our prices higher. They treat their people like slave labor.
MadBadVoodo 2 months ago
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Tokeupbro 3 months ago
Actually, a better comparison would be Manix-Delica/Endura-Tenacious/Persistance/Resilience/Ambitious. Byrd is a whole other class since it's a sub-cumpany, the economy folder series is made in China and they're well-made, as well from the same main company.
LRAJ88 8 months ago
You mentioned China imprisoned its' people, however the U.S. has the largest prison population in the world. And we make our prison so nice that it doesn't even detour crime. 3 hots and a cot with weights and cable tv and no responsibility. I've been to Beijing, have you? That is a huge ass city but extremely clean, no trash on the ground, no homeless panhandling, and far less violent crime. So their gov is doing something right, also their economy is generating money instead of spending.
lowrider959 10 months ago 2
@lowrider959 Did you go to Beijing 2 buy a kidney??? :)
MadBadVoodo 10 months ago
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Just so you know, even though Spyderco makes their cheaper knives in China, every time you buy an expensive Spyderco knives not made in China, you still support the company indirectly, and Spyderco probably laughs at you all. I just got the Spyderco Tenacious by the way.
LeathermanFan2 10 months ago
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LeathermanFan2 10 months ago
The people who put lead in the baby formula got executed by the chinese government and they get a bad rep because SOME of the manufactures are bad but many are really good. So stop hating on chinese goods.
runningrabid1 1 year ago
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dude why do you have those little dolls.do you really believe in voodo?
jccrick123 1 year ago
dude why do you have those little dolls.do you really believe in voodo.
jccrick123 1 year ago
@jccrick123 Find my video called MadBadVoodo and view it...
MadBadVoodo 1 year ago
dont support regimes
seonidh 1 year ago
Yeah... ive had cheap china shit almost cut my fingers off during use, from now on i only buy japan/USA the odd time knives made here in canada too but were not much for steel manufacturing, i made an exception for the ka-bar TDI small serrated model (made in taiwan)
Taud 1 year ago
Jeez MBV.....Now I feel awful about sending you those Chinese knives....
HEY! If you don't like em I give ya double your money back! :-)
I do agree with you though. I bought a Millett scope for a AR the other day and was dismayed to see it was made in China. Oughta be a law that online stores have to give the country of origin for all products.
DapperDan47 1 year ago
@DapperDan47 LOL!! Its all good my friend they will make good contest give aways...
MadBadVoodo 1 year ago
Good blog
I've bought my share of cheap Chinese knives
But I knew they were Chinese or knew they weren't quality because of the price
Kershaw-Gerber-Benchmade (Ka-Bar)
Crkt I'm sure I'm forgetting a bunch but these are just some of my favs
Nice knives cost a liitle money my last gerber was lessthan $50 still a great buy
satchboogyfan 1 year ago
in china if you are buying a knife people with decent means always get those made in Japan, Korea or the US. China manufacture doesn't catch up on making knives, and knives are a quasi-life-time investment for a household (at least in China that is, we are people with lesser means you see). And make no mistake, US steel could easily sell more than 1000 Yuan in China. What i mean is it depends on the good itself.
EPsuperFan 1 year ago
yes, you try your best not wearing any cloth
devilmaycry0917 1 year ago
Sad to say people DON'T in the main buy for quality - they buy for cheap.
The worst offenders are of course the multinationals, who will have goods made in China & then sell them at the same price as home produced goods.
Penn rods & reels, any spinning reel, virtually any fishing rod under £100, 99% of outdoors clothing & luggage.
I have no option BUT to sell this overpriced crap, because there isn't a manufacturer left who can compete on price with the artificially low Yen exchange rate.
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GARGLER42 1 year ago
Good stuff!
junkgundrunk 1 year ago
Think about it..what if people are talking shit about your country? How would you feel? Every country in the world did something wrong. You don't have to keep remind people how bad a country is. It's really hurtful you know? I was born in USA but i was rise in China. I know China did a lot of bad things but i know soon China will Change! I hate when people just look at the bad side of a country. Why don't you all look at the bright side of a country! I felt really bad after watching this video
kerorogundam00 1 year ago
@kerorogundam00 Your skin is a little 2 thin 4 YouTube my friend! BTW did I not say that the Chinise people were good people???
MadBadVoodo 1 year ago
@kerorogundam00 You know wah? I really hate it when someone like you pulls the empathy card. If they want it to change then they should make it change. Laziness is one of the biggest reasons for communism. I understand you were rise in china, but that does not take away from the fact that chinise knives are CHEAP.
recon1s14 1 year ago 3
I bought a chinese product last nite....then it gave me the runs
cwskin69 1 year ago
im buying spyderco tenacious what do you think about that one voodo
MasterMoose00 1 year ago
@MasterMoose00 The Chinese Government thanks you... :)
MadBadVoodo 1 year ago 4
@MadBadVoodo lol changed my mind i didnt know they made a delica that had a flat grind :D
MasterMoose00 1 year ago
We (us) pro billions of dollars
frajada2006 1 year ago
Thanks for putting the companies out there who use Chinese labor. I buy knives online and don't know until I get them if they're made in China guess I need to research the manufacturer before buying.
harr77 1 year ago
spyderco endura rocks
Blk05titan26 1 year ago
f@ck the chicoms
mayoustard 1 year ago
Your voice sounds like a combo between Alex Jones and Rush Limbaugh. You'd make for a great radio talk show host.
Great point, dude. I agree 1,000%.
ATF6281914 1 year ago
I have the tenacious and several delicas...heck I have a ton of Spydercos and only one is Chinese....it is what is. I prefer the Seki city knives(delica) as I have been carrying them for over 15 years. I carried the tenacious for a few months and I can tell you this the steel doesn't compare. I say spend the extra money and get a good steel. As for Kershaw they sell very few knives that have the carry options like spyderco. The U.S. Spydercos are nice too.
chainlink1 1 year ago
Agree with y Mr Voodo.
fredde90210 1 year ago
Great video MBV, the truth is the truth. I also realize we have to buy some products made in China but we should make an effort not to .
ChromeFreak123 1 year ago
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tmd004 1 year ago
If one expands this beyond the knife realm, it is extremely difficult to get away from buying products made in another country. Honestly for me it comes down to buying quality. Very thought provoking ideas about what we are purchasing and what we are supporting.
Cr0cket20 1 year ago
I got a knife from China a while ago. It was marked Stainless. Sitting on my end table, dry, it rusted. How is that possible if it is stainless steel? Oh, and to your reference, Tank Man was bad ass, hard core to say the least.
Jesses001 1 year ago
Glock & Honda,
USA Assembled...
Isn't Sog made in China?
conarl1 1 year ago
it sucks that even stuff made 100% parts made and assembled in the us, the quality still sucks. I have had alot of 100% us made products fail on me. i think japan made stuff is better then us made stuff. and i have proof of that. toyota yaris. 100% made and asembled in japan. they build them and load them on tankers and bring them to the us. never had 1 problem and was the only toyota not affected by the gas pedal recall. or any other recall going on. sorry but us made stuff has fell far.
dp665 1 year ago
@dp665 I agree, a lot of my friends actually don't buy toyotas that have been assembled or made in the US, only Japan. [there is a way to check that] And I have owned 3 japanese cars, and the rest of my family has a japanese maker car [except one, has a hyundai], and I can say from experience, those ones that has been 100% japanese made have been going strong over 150 k miles without a problem. However I have had issues with japanese cars but assembled in US or canada. EG rattling in car for one
jeffjuice3886 1 year ago
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I foolishly assumed the entire Spyderco brand was made in one country. I own many Spyderco knives. I have a Tenatious, liked it so much, I gave one to my brother and bought 5 more for myself. I hate to admit it, but it is a pretty nice blade, especially for the price I got it for, under 30. However, had I checked and found out it was made in China, I would have purchased Enduras instead. Thanks for opening my eyes.
MongoWongo777 1 year ago
i agree that stuff in china is cheaply made, but some people just cant afford to buy a kershaw or benchmade, however ive never heard of anyone hating on a byrd knife except you before this vid, that said that is whats great about youtube, everyone gets there voice! Great video, brings up some great conversation!
thomassmyth65 1 year ago
i think your wrong the byrd cara cara is a great knife, i think u atomatically say its bad because its made in china i bet if it was made in the us and was exactly the same you would say its a great knife, its more of your mentality
erick8245 1 year ago
I understand what you say about not buying chinese products because of slave labor.But if you dont buy chinese things because you dont want to support a bad governement you could say that about almost every single country.
If you think like that then you stop buying products made in the USA because it means that you support a country who is for the death penalty, against gay rights and such.It's just a too simple way to see things to think that CHINA means evil and USA always good.
JoeDurobot 1 year ago
@JoeDurobot you're an idiot sir.
lynnzie2008 1 year ago
@lynnzie2008 lol I guess you didn't understand my comment.
I forgive you, its longer than most things you read usualy.
JoeDurobot 1 year ago
"I won this knife for $10."
I'd call that buying, not winning. Thats like saying I just won the parts for my car for $500.
xxCaptainFishstix 1 year ago
@xxCaptainFishstix
Actually, you "WIN" auctions, you don't buy auctions. If he won the knife in a $1 raffle for a cancer awareness function guess what? He "WON" it there too.
So, you're wrong.
Devildoc1336 1 year ago
@Devildoc1336 So he won the bidding war, he bought the knife. In a raffle draw yes, you win stuff, because you buy tickets, it is completely different from ebay.
So, you are half right.
xxCaptainFishstix 1 year ago
@Devildoc1336 your logic as you may look at it sounds good to you, but it is flawed. Yes you do "win" auctions, but in the process you are PAYING a price for that auction that you have won. Thereby paying you are still in essence buying.
jeffjuice3886 1 year ago
I am sorry MBV but this video is very borderline for me. As others have said you have not gone to the factory, and are making comparisons between a knives with a wide price range. And I know its not you, its your viewers on saying it, but some of the racial comments like "Excellent analysis about the commies - better red than dead", "its pretty funny that the byrd knife actually looks like a chinese I mean the round hole vs the almond shaped comet hole". Thank you for a long run, but unsubbed.
jeffjuice3886 1 year ago
When the US government becomes a friend to business once again maybe industry will return. But when you have a government that wants to create class envy and hate for capitalism and wants to regulate the hell out of business then you really cannot blame capitalists for going where they can manufacturer at decent price without being controlled by labor unions. That said, I try to buy American made first.
ArtisanTony 1 year ago
I looked long and hard at those Byrd knives and decided to hold off. Glad I did, I have an endura 4 and I bet that Byrd would feel like a turd in comparison. Good vid with VERY valid points, Take care MBV,
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om3gadagg3r 1 year ago
I still think the byrd knives, the benchmade red class, and the sog fusion are still better knives than a cheap $10 knife you pick up at a flea market, granted their all made overseas in taiwan and china. i guess what im saying is that i agree with you saying china's slave labor and government is cruel but would still go with a byrd rather than a no name cheapo, maybe you should check out the g-10 or frn and maybe you could get rid of the sharp corners problem
kennyshen12398 1 year ago
I'm a fan of ALL knives, and sometimes China makes great knives for the money. I don't discriminate just because a knife was make in China or in USA or in my home country Poland. All countries make great knives. I guess its just my train of thought :). I thought i'd share. Anyways good topic to discuss
TheLazySpoiledKitty 1 year ago
Obviously people wouldn't choose quality every time or there would be no market for the cheap Chinese made products.
mndls1 1 year ago
-cont. If the tenacious used say VG10 or 154CM, the knife would be around a $90 knife. If you own many Spydercos, you would notice that all 8Cr13MoV knives come out of China. VG10 comes out of Japan. S30v comes out from Tawain. etc etc. As for the Meadowlark, pick up a G10 version. You will feel more quality. All SS of Spyderco and Byrd feel like crap, in my opinion.
sorry for the essay.
URBNSpice 1 year ago
I'm going to have to disagree with you on the knife part. Have you ever held a SS Delica, Endura, or Police? They feel pretty much the same as the Byrd SS. The meadowlark is a $20 knife and the Delica is a $50 knife. There is a huge difference in price range there. The Tenacious and the Manix are both good knives. They are both smooth. Fit and finish are excellent. If the tenacious was made in the US it would have to use a different steel.
URBNSpice 1 year ago
***** MBV! keep up the good work ...I have many knives 200-300 i have no idea...some china made are decent for the money.."rough rider" comes to mind...but my keepers and EDC knives are always USA, Germany, Scandinavian, Japan made...well you get the idea...Most of my china made are ready for ebay or trade...Thanks for the vid ...love your channels...dak
dakdak88 1 year ago
After spyderco put out her Byrd line Benhcmade started their red class (cheap import models) unlike spydereco benchmade got lots of flack for selling non USA made knives so they dropped the line BUT still have their HK/and harley davidson models mde overseas...but thery dont care since thery make the knives for them and dont sport the benchmade name...
cutlerylover 1 year ago
Even "made in usa" means nothing anymore... they can import 100% of the finished parts from china or anywhere and as long as its assembled in USA they can stamp made in the USA.
China has made huge leaps forward as far as workers pay etc. There is always horror stories the news loves to over play but you can find those right here in the USA in LA using Mexican workers. unless you buy from the maker like Snody you will never know where it truly comes from
daddyoca69 1 year ago
@daddyoca69
You're stupid.
That's not considered being made in the United States, it would have to say assembled in the U.S.
Otherwise it would be illegal.
don't come on youtube with your shitty think you know it all attitude, and stating false information.
wevor4tard 1 year ago
@wevor4tard yeah ok whatever... keep drinking the koolaide fool
daddyoca69 1 year ago
@daddyoca69
that's not how you spell Kool-Aid.
I seriously don't like you one bit.
wevor4tard 1 year ago
@wevor4tard well then why not turn off your computer or take some drugs to cure your mental problems.....
daddyoca69 1 year ago
@daddyoca69
I did turn off my computer, then turned it back on.
Didn't do anything...
Also as a physician I personally know that prescription drugs can't cure mental problems, only supress them.
your lack of knowledge and ignorance stuns me.
wevor4tard 1 year ago
@wevor4tard your right... ounce a assclown your always a assclown...
See I was trying to be nice and give you hope that you could become normal.
Thank you for showing me that whatever you do in life you will still always be a assclown.
But thats ok to think the way you do even if the truth is there is no companies in USA making the parts to make anything electronic inside USA. I guess they just click their heels 3 times and a board full of chips pops out of their ass.
daddyoca69 1 year ago
i completely agree, i ve lived in China for a while and oversaw manufacturing facilities. I love my people but not my goverement. Sadly it is the case of the companies who pressure the labor workers in going "cheap" for example if johnson and johnson says make this and tht under X amount $, then well if they dont they lose ther jobs so they cut corners......
oasisspirit 1 year ago
we are building the Chinese military simultaneously destroying our own military. China WILL invade us when their military can take us, the only thing holding them back is the personal arsenal we still have...for now
gregos350 1 year ago
I think all cold steel knives are made in japan,
Woodsman126 1 year ago
@Woodsman126 Japan, USA, and Taiwan
xxxM85xxx 1 year ago
good video. thanks.
Hobohube 1 year ago
Good point, however you have no official references, if you are gonna say that a country is cheap and treats bad their employees you should at least give some official data. I don't disagree with you, it is obvious that for the price of the knife the product feels cheap, but china is not about quality, is about quantity. While Spider-co sells one expensive knife, china sells 50 cheap knives.
CatemacoRock 1 year ago
8Cr13MoV refers to the additives to the steel to make it stainless, and harder. Some SpyderCo knifes are coming with it now, not just Byrd. Basically the name means "Per volume, 8% Chromium, and 13% Molybdenum. Both are elements on the periodic table.
Vg-10 is similar, but more Chromium, I think 15%, and only 1% moly, and add some Cobolt. VG-10 is japan is called 'Gold Steel 10' because it is perfect for knives. VG-10 is FAR better
Brantoc 1 year ago
USA all the way Ps I didn't vote for Obama ...and I'm sure going to try to vote him out
Shadowcolt999 1 year ago
I have a friend in Hong Kong. He's well paid, and has said China is a LOT better now than 10 years ago, and they are still improving on their workers' conditions and pay. He said that a lot of the issues with low paid workers come from bad management (the example he gave me was the makers of the iPhone), but slave labour is a lot less widespread than the media make it out to be, because the people are demanding better treatment. Not saying China is the best or anything, just giving perspective
K1RKH4MM3T 1 year ago
Good points madbad. I just purchase a kershaw OD-1 and I can't wait for it to come in the mail. Seeing this video makes me feel like I done good!
Imasofat 1 year ago
Awesome vid voodo, very intresting
KalConduitman 1 year ago
good comparison, buying Chinese has a great deal to do with current US economy and job market
TheUrbanOutdoors 1 year ago
Excellent analysis about the commies.
I still stand by the saying from the 1950's: "Better dead than RED."
PropagandaBuster 1 year ago
they make a good vase.
popebenadict16 1 year ago
The whole China thing is an Oxymoron too me. China is clearly our enemy, yet they have a huge economy largely due to Americans purchasing the BS they send over here to sell. It makes no sense to me. I buy American whenever I can. I go out of my way to look for the Made In the USA logo.
Trex1268 1 year ago
the U.S used to be the manufacturing powerhouse of the world, then everyone started demanding cheaper products. so the downfall of the U.S can be attributed to the american citizens!
1978graham 1 year ago
Speaking of China, this may be of interest
Google- Chinese Fighter-Bombers in the Skies of Iran and Turkey
h t t p : // w w w . debka . com/weekly/465/#9082
Or remove the spaces on the above URL for that article & much more
Now perhaps it will be understand what China is doing with some of the $s & elsewhere
Personally I do everything I can to 'not' purchase any Chinese products unless it's absolutely necessary & then probably not
Searching4Truth1 1 year ago
Excellent vid! Great info! Thank you.
NorthSouthSurvival 1 year ago
Great vid thanks an eye opener
freemutant 1 year ago
Yep Yep Yep, I do pay more for an American product when available. Take a ball cap, whole rack of hats, chineese 10 bucks, USA hat 18 bucks. USA hat gets bought by me. I am realizing how important this is becoming now days. Huge!! Great Vid Hunter.
Albee4ty5 1 year ago
Well said BUT i don't think you can compare the finish of a 14 dollar knife to one that cost over the double...just saying.
KaptenHH 1 year ago
I think if people were given the option they would pay more for a lot of stuff if they knew the quality was better...I'm typing on a laptop that has gone through 3 processors that were made in china the first 4 months I owned it only to find out the Chinese company that assembled it put the wrong power rating on the chip causing me to go through them like candy...after all that hassle I'd have paid $3000 for a laptop that worked out of the box and was made in the USA with pride.
rooftopeagle 1 year ago
Spot on MBV!!!
hinckleypoland 1 year ago
BRAVO!
FirearmPop 1 year ago
DAMN MBV.......I LOVE THE MESSAGE IN THIS VIDEO
WELL SAID
mejt223 1 year ago
Here in the U.K you have a job trying to find anything that's not made in China!
126lma 1 year ago
My Smith&Wesson ExtremeOps is made in China but I have to say the the quality is superb. Just my opinion.
Mindrover1 1 year ago
The spyderco tenacious is a very bad knife. Had one and sold it. It poped open in my pocket and cut me. I saw two vids where the same thing happened to two well known Youtubers.
odddreams 1 year ago
@odddreams The early production models of the tenacious did have a tendacy to do that, and as my information goes, from the spyderco forums, spyderco did some QC and did something to fix/better the detent in order to correct that problem.
jeffjuice3886 1 year ago
Without going into politics, China can give a lot of quality if the companies that contract them choose to. On your question of the Tenacious, It offers a harder blade with more carbon than your leek for less money. It also comes razor sharp like the leek, but has G10 scales and a more renowned spyderco name. If spyderco produced the knife in the states they would charge probably 60 bucks for the knife just because it has g10 instead of FRN. Such is the nature of the beast in my opinion.
Ultimatemxcn 1 year ago 2
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edenbainbridge 1 year ago
I totally agree. That being said, Ive got a BUCK Nobleman 327 and its my second favorite folder I own. Like yourself, I had no idea it was a made in China but I got it for $13 in a combo pack with the 325 Colleage. Its the sharpest EDC blade I have, Of coarse my Kershaw Barrage is my #1. I'll be more aware with future purchases.
TheTactical6string 1 year ago 2
Im Chinese myself and i agree completely. Ive been there numerous times, and have seen the evil for myself. Its sad though, that even some of my family members dont believe that there government is one of the most corrupt and evil in the world, and that they do evil doings to there own peoples. Without knowing, and being repressed by there government, i dont think any of them can revolt to create a democracy.
riverdave7 1 year ago 4
dude i agree with you 100% the china gov can burn in hell ,i wouldnt buy one thing that was built in china i dont support them comunist bastards.hey bro you got to check out CHRIS REEVE KNIVES they got a knive called sebenza 21 it feels like your holding a bentley in your hands and there an american company
42cujo 1 year ago 3
a tenacious would absofuckinloutely equal a manix 2
MatrixOne976 1 year ago
living in Aussie land we get flooded with Chines made knivies, and i have to say 90% are shite, the best blades we can get are Jap, Euro(most "top quality" knife shops only stock Euro, freaking expensive) or very rare American. I have to get my Knivies imported just like my new Kersaw Skyline( 14c28n had rust spot on the tip outa the box) great edc blade.
Great Vid MBV, great breakdown on the different countries making the knivies, you have just reinforced my view. Take care Bro.
TheDishD 1 year ago
Well until we can control the people who run our country, the United States; I refuse to speak about other countries and their policies. I mean...our government is ran by profit margin...privatized profit margin...until we reclaim our countries infrastructure, foreign policy..and currency...wtf can we do about these bozos selling us out for profit to China? Why wouldn't they? They are sacks of shit this is what they do. Just my opinion anyways.
actualityisabitch 1 year ago 3
MBV I have great respect for you I think your a very cool dude but in this video you sound like a conspiracy idiot I'm sorry but I'm unsubbing.
CutleryNovice 1 year ago
@CutleryNovice no one wants you here anyway douche
m3RacerBitch 1 year ago 8
@m3RacerBitch Haha, "Novice" at 15, halarious! Kid knows nothing compared to MBV!
Sccuba182 1 year ago
@CutleryNovice ur lose
kirklanddavis 1 year ago
@kirklanddavis You only used two words, and both of them are done incorrectly. Your loss. would be the correct way of saying it. Or if thats not what you meant, then it would be: You lose.
jeffjuice3886 1 year ago
@jeffjuice3886 meant loss
kirklanddavis 1 year ago
@kirklanddavis meant loss
kirklanddavis 1 year ago
@CutleryNovice so you agreeed with every single thing MadBad has said up until now?
NaplesSwampRat 1 year ago
@NaplesSwampRat I agreed I don't like slave labor,I loved what he did for the flood victims but this whole "how much lead do you think is in this knife?" thing is just stupid I'm sorry but it is he sounds like a conspiracy nut that's just my opinion.
CutleryNovice 1 year ago
@CutleryNovice i was just sayin that you dont have to agree with every single thing he says to be subed to him. im sure hes said something that i didnt agree with since ive been subed to him. China does have very low standards and they have found lead in kids toys, and the paint they use on them so it wouldnt be shocking to find some impurities like lead in the blade steel
NaplesSwampRat 1 year ago
@NaplesSwampRat Those were cases out of how many items sold? And isolated people in management would make those calls. What about management in the US? Lead vs billions of dollars scandled out of peoples money? I think in this economy money vs lead, money can be decimate even more than lead. Think about it.
jeffjuice3886 1 year ago
awsome vid..honerable voodo
grizzlyglock1 1 year ago
I own both the Tenacious and the Persistence and in my humble opinion, the quality control on both of them is crap. I own ten dollar blades that are far superior in quality than either of the aforementioned Spyderco knives. As a matter of fact I am finishing up a video in which I review the Persistence and show how bad the QC was on mine right out of the box. Deployment sucks, as the so called bronze bushings were installed wrong and of poor quality. Moreover, the blade has visible wheel marks.
tabletopreviews 1 year ago
@tabletopreviews It can happen with any of their lines. I have had to send in 4 spyderco knives, and had to have them fully replaced, both only japanese and american made knives. So it is not only chinese ones that have qc problems at times. Although perhaps there may be more on that end than on the jap/us end. This can keep going but I will stop here. I am not trying to defend chinese knives, nor am I chinese if your wondering. I am just trying to point out both sides of the coin,
jeffjuice3886 1 year ago
@tabletopreviews how were the bushings installed wrong?
scars187 1 year ago
I agree with you 100%! My family has recently been trying to greatly reduce what we buy from china and increase our US purchases although this is more expensive it is truly worth it.
WILLZIAAK 1 year ago
I like too buy Japanese made knifes
seven47katana 1 year ago
-cont cannot always afford 75 dollars for a manix, and will opt for a blade length style such as the tenacious, which I have gotten quite a bit of good reviews on from various forums, and yt vids alike. Now I am not arguing with your points, I just think the price points should be the same [eg kershaw leek vs tenacious] instead of a byrd vs kershaw. or a tenacious vs a regular special priced delica. [its quite hard to find a delica for 35 bucks flat, a lot of the new ones are 50 bucks]
jeffjuice3886 1 year ago
@jeffjuice3886 I think that is the point, it is $14 BECAUSE it was made in China vs. in the U.S.
glynn72 1 year ago
@glynn72 yea i know..... what contention are you trying to make? I haven't disagreed with that statement that its cheaper because its made in China VS the US, so why the capitalized 'BECAUSE' ?
jeffjuice3886 1 year ago
The only thing I have things to say is this. You compare the byrd line, which you said was sub teen prices vs a 30 some dollar kershaw which is double the price. The delica you bought is a "regular" black on satin finish blade on sale, most all of my 10 or so delicas have been 50 dollars. The manix again you said is 75 dollars, the tenacious is around 35 dollars. And the point of chinese made are the price factor, which you have proven to be at least half [at regular], and people cannot ---cont
jeffjuice3886 1 year ago
Amen brother I remember working at a fast food restaurant close to an air force base in the late 80's and talking to the pilots and officers who came in.. this was when the soviet union fell apart I asked an officer do we still have enemy's he replied china is still communist and not our friend. God Bless America!!!
SyrianKnight01 1 year ago
Excellent video Hunter. 5*****'s
BlueRidgeMarine 1 year ago
5 stars!!!
ammohead73 1 year ago
I think this country should move away from the service concept and start making products again. Manufacturing made America. Only a fool would spend his money with his competitor and not keep his money in his own house.
BlueRidgeMarine 1 year ago
Hunter:I was listening to you in this video, and thought... damn I have been preaching this quality concept for years. Mater of fact in this day in time every business has some long ass mission statement or other catch phrase. Well, my business has one too... "Quality whether you want it or not" I see molds made in china these days, Their quality is quite good, how ever with this increase in quality has been an increase in pricing also. Guess you could say the playing field is getting even
BlueRidgeMarine 1 year ago
Five stars my friend.. I've got to get that first knif you showed.. how is it spelt.. the name of it.
clayguy1 1 year ago
The tenacious is pretty nice actually. Hate to say it, best Chinese knife I have ever gotten my hands on.
bobcat224 1 year ago
i love my byrd cara cara's. i picked em up on ebay for bucks each. and i got a meadow lark and robin for 99 cents each. and for that price i love them. awesome. i have to steel wool some rust off of them every now and then. and coat em with wd-40. my leek was awesome too. the tip is stronger than people think. can you mail me that meadowlark. i will hate china too if you send me it. i think that the japenese blade are the best finished. america is good. but not japanese. i have american cars.
PavlovSandor 1 year ago
actually, i'm pretty dissapointed in 8cr13mov steel. I just bought a SOG Salute made in china and it's made out of 8cr13mov. It rusts fairly easy. I actually love the knife itself due to the weight (it's heavy) and look of it, but I much prefer AUS8 or of course S30V, VG10 and 154cm.
808Arsenal 1 year ago
Great video..
A+++
-Mark
markstevenbuisness 1 year ago