Why is it that when the no be-leavers open one of there museums us christian do not go to protests, but when we try to open one of our few museums you see hundreds of hate filed protesters. and If you see Arabic try to opening one of their museums would they be there, No they would not! and that is because there religion does not disprove there theory's and that is because they do not have a fully complete theory and their theory is very fraud!
@jimthebaptist67 First, I never said I was a (strong) atheist. That being said, faith is irrational. It is belief in that which is not supported by evidence or compelling logical argument. I walk by reason.
So lightening striking a mud puddle, sparking life, that life containing all the genetic makeup for every living thing, that thing finding a way to eat and reproduce in it's short lifetime.
@jimthebaptist67 That does not sound like a viable model of bio-genesis, and I doubt it is actually a theory put forth by real biochemists.
In any case, the fallacy you are making is the use of the God-of-the-gaps argument. Anything we don't understand _must_ be an act of magic. 500 years ago you (by the same logic) would have been arguing that disease, comets, eclipses, etc. (any of the things not understood at the time) was an act of magic.
It took about 4.5 billion years for life as we know it to develop. It began as simple proteins, then RNA, then DNA, etc. until we arrive at where we are today.
It was NOT the way you so ignorantly attempted to dismiss it. It didn't happen in one short life. It took a VERY long time.
Before you try to explain something, it might be best if you understand it first.
It took about 4.5 billion years for life as we know it to develop. It began as simple proteins, then RNA, then DNA, etc. until we arrive at where we are today.
It was NOT the way you so ignorantly attempted to dismiss it. It didn't happen in one short life. It took a VERY long time.
Before you try to explain something, it might be best if you understand it first.
@jimthebaptist67 "I can't understand how Darwinians think that anyone who does not agree with them must have dropped out of the 6th grade" It's not that anyone who disagrees with them, it's anyone who continues to belive things a 6th grade education disproves. Many people find it very hard to understand how you can attend a school, listen to what is taught, and still believe that some myths and fables are true. Think of it like saying Elvis is still alive while at his funeral.
@jimthebaptist67 Example of the straw? Lies? Listen to the facts and see if you can dispute them. You have any problems with the rock strata evidence, ice core data, etcI, too, have a science education. You are abusing your son if you keep him from a science education.
No wonder this fraud of a "museum" is located in Dumbfuckistan (aka Southern US). What a sorry collection of retarded people. They're an embarrassment to civilized people.
@OpethNation ok, whats your question...and if it is "what's you scientific evidence?"
Here's your answer: Science will never TRULY find the Spiritual Dimension, like air we know it exist it but we cannot see it.
The Spirit World leaves traces that cannot be SCIENTIFICALLY IDENTIFIED of it's existence because it can only be IDENTIFIED with either GOD or SATAN which is something the WORLD REFUSES to accept.
@OpethNation I got my research from my own experiences, and other people's similar experience, from the history of different cultures, and different religions and because is the actual truth all these subjects fall into place. Let me be clear I have found the truth in the Bible not the church.
The Bible explains and describes all; visible&invisible
That's why through faith someone becomes saved. GOD knows his dimension cannot be contacted by scientific studies; usually done by NON-Believers.
Want to see the real Garden of Eden? Take a look at my videos. I'm the guy who discovered it. As far as religion goes- it does nothing for you, but Jesus will introduce you to His Father if you'll let Him. God is real and so is lucifer. Both want you, but only 1 loves you- figure it out
you dont know about the universe. u scientist are repeatedly proven wrong. all your claims are theories and not fact. until you can prove your claims then have respect and less arrogance
Thats funny you say that......Religion has been proven wrong to nearly infinity and hasn't a single thread of empirical evidence to support its claims.
@1EpicLulz thats cause God believing religion does not work like science religion. you rely on evidence, we believe in faith. and you have no evidence to say there isnt a intelligent design. life's formation alone could not have formed in the alotted time period by random. mathematically impossible
2nd Proving existence with a negative is a logic fallacy. (no one has disproved there is a man with a TV living at the center of the sun so should we believe that to?)
@1EpicLulz yes it is. once you have the answer for how everything works science will remain just another belief. im not saying a man and a plasma are behind it but something nontheless. and the chances for life originating on earth or the universe is hihgly unprobable.
No its not....Religion is the worshiping of a deity. Science doesn't worship any Gods....
Life seems improbable with our current understanding of the universe. However when one takes into account the shear vastness of the universe with billions of galaxies than each contain billion of stars and billion of planets. The probability of other life isnt really that low as one is originally lead to believe.
@1EpicLulz Science is not a religion, but religion is not a science. Forming a creation origin from the bible is a miss interpretation of it. Most people, these include some or most atheists and most Christians, fall guilty to this because they don't know how to read the bible. And therefore you get these false interpretations like intelligent design. The first pages of the Bible, where all of this originates, must be read in an allegorical and parabolic sense.
So in other words what you are trying to say is no one knows what the creation story of the bible is? Maybe the story of Adam and eve was metaphorical for evolution?.......please.
The only reason to take the bible "allegorical" is because its to absurd to be fact with our current understanding of science.
People need to stop trying to reinterpret the bible and just accept the fact its wrong. It is not the word of a divine being. Its nothing more than myth and folklore .
@1EpicLulz The Jews have been interpretting the bible the way I just said since ancient times. People read something today and ask, did it really happen? When people in ancient times read something, they ask: what does it mean? I don't want to prolong this if you are ignorant of ancient writings and how they were read. I don't have time to lecture you.
@1EpicLulz Do you think the ancient peoples would of understood something like evolution? Or accepted such a theory? Think before you speak, your last comment is a waste of thought.
"Do you think the ancient peoples would of understood something like evolution?"
No....Thats why they came up with the fairy tale known as the book of Genesis......
Man needed a way to explain the world around him in a time when he had little understanding of it. So he created the story of Adam and Eve and the rest of that folklore.
The same thing was taking place in every culture of the world. The bibles story is nothing special. Try to use rational thought instead of getting defensive.
@1EpicLulz Just because they needed an explanation doesn't mean everything in the bible is false. Bare in mind how short the creation narrative in the bible is. Now bare in mind how long the bible is. I think not even 0.1 of a percent is the total of the creation narrative. Then you realize it's not just a creation narrative. It's much deeper than that. Their are many creation narratives, and most of them give us life lessons, not literal interpretations of the origin of life or Earth, etc
seeing how there is no empirical evidence to support the bibles events it claimed happened (some cases recorded history has proven them wrong with 100% certainty.) i think its safe to say its purely fabricated or at least to the point where it has no significant meaning.
@1EpicLulz Let me give you an example I made up, a creation narrative about mountains. "In the world in ancient times, the one who held the most power was the tribe with the biggest rock. Some tribes were bent on creating the biggest one in the whole world. But when they tried, and it got too big, it crumbled, over the city, destroying it, and creating a mountain." Is this a literal interpretation of how mountains were created? Or a story about Man's lust for power? Do you understand?
I know what you mean about metaphors and narratives. The point I'm trying to make is the Bible has no significant meaning as it is just fabrication. (even the plausible events).
@zathen Let me give you an example I made up, a creation narrative about mountains. "In the world in ancient times, the one who held the most power was the tribe with the biggest rock. Some tribes were bent on creating the biggest one in the whole world. But when they tried, and it got too big, it crumbled, over the city, destroying it, and creating a mountain" Is this a literal interpretation of how mountains were created? Or a story about Man's lust for power? Do you understand?
@kemalcs I speak of the Old Testament. But it would be foolish to think the 100% of the Old or even New Testament happend. These are not 21st Century Western History or exact biographies. They are GOSPELS. Different sort of literature.
@zathen I can understand your point. But Paul's theology is built on the idea the crucifixation of Jesus is a cosmic payoff of Adam's original sin. Then it's very hard to position things.
@kemalcs Yes but you never really asked what Adam represented. He represents all of us. We all have the fallen nature. Adam represents humankind. Jesus represents the new humankind, not saying of course that he never existed. But as to Adam, he probably never did exist, unless you realize what he represents, then you'll realize that he did exist, and still does in all of us.
@heavensproperty1 Apparently you've missed out on the last 200 hundred years of scientific discovery. Even in his condensed remarks, Krauss presents more science than the whole of intelligent design and creationism.
Im surprised that Christians are not protesting this more. Its doing far more damage to religion than science. Luckily young people are generally more inteligent than many adults. They are just going to laugh at religion when things like creation museums come up.
@mrwho995 At least Stephen Hawking is smart enough and intellectually honest enough to recognize the that what is put fourth as an idea can't be proven until it's replicated. I'm not denying microevolution. I don't and can't believe in interspeciel macroevolution. I believe that earth is older than 6,000 years old. Your pompous attitude towards other ideas on life and universal origins are quite nauseating by the way.
"I'm not denying microevolution. I don't and can't believe in interspeciemacroevolution"
Microevolution and macroevolution are the same thing, different magnitudes. They're both evolution. You seem to think that microevolution and macroevolution are ontologically different. They're not. They're the same thing, differentiated only by time.
What logical or biological barriers prevent small changes (microevolution) from accumulating and, over time, causes larger changes (macroevolution)?
It seems that every time creationism comes under criticism, they are called deniers of science. Just because someone believes the origins of life and the universe come from God does not mean that they deny the laws of science. It's not denying science anymore than evolutionists and their pseudoscience ideas of the origins of the universe.
And what DO you call it when people bold face say that they still believe the world and everything else is only 6000 years old, when evidence to the contrary is present?
To me that is still denying science, at least in part. It goes to show the conditioning went through as children that makes people want to suspend critical thinking to make themselves feel better about death, by way of distorted half ass answers that do very little, if anything at all.
You are first denying science for denying evolution. Evolution is just as much of a fact as gravity. Your religious beliefs are irrelevant to the fact that you are denying science. As for the origins of the universe, that has nothing to do with evolution, and it is not pseudo-science. You simply do not understand it. Steven Hawking, one of the smartest people alive, would not dedicate his life to pseudo-science. Don't knock something you couldn't even begin to understand.
@jckcism Creationists deny science because it destroys everything they believe in, they lash out against it and create lies about it to make it seem less credible. Yea what's more credible than an invisible man in the sky that gets mad at you when you jerk off right? *shaking my head*
Sure some people can believe in god and practice various faith based rituals oriented to that particular moral deity and be supporters of science and there can, of course, be science people who do not believe in god at all and prefer scientific explanations which at certain points are reduced down to great unknowns but the business of these 'creationists' and their bogus theories are worse than bad jokes and they are evidence of people who need to join parades of stupidity for comfort and vanity
@lordcadburyhopkins Hear that? Oh. Well, I'm clapping: WELL SAID! And you know, even being part of the "Stupid Parades" would be just fine too. People do stupendously stupid EVERY MILISECOND!
BUT, they are NOT happy with the freedom to practice their personal religion. They want to, at the very least, make sure that they are allowed to subject everyone else to as much of it as possible, while denying everyone else the chance to voice not just their opinions, but any facts that contradict them!
Not many people went to College (and studied Western World Civilization) and works for a living believes the world is only 6,000 years old... Life is a gift...Please enjoy it.
@Th0masWarner Sorry bout that.. But how do I respond to Your comment by not hitting reply..? And YES I am a die hard Creationist and believe deeply in GOD and CHRIST.. And to be straight, I do however enjoy the occasional moments to stir an atheist..
Dark age-centrics should either keep away from modern technology and medicine and admit to a lack of honest intellectual curiosity about the universe ... or grow up!
@Th0masWarner Again to re-iterate, my point is I believe in THE GOD while Allah is the moon god, and Catholics Pray to mary, and many others , other gods. Though You may call them ALL religions (which is fine) but not all have same doctrine or VALUES for that matter. islam is a very dangerous religion and there is much proof in that today. However Evolution Is a god and it takes faith to believe in theory. Evolution theory is based on the same evidence Creationists use to support its side.
@jfitguru First, your christian god is the same as the islam god. The values may be different, which is pretty good evidence that your god is non existent.
I saw in a different message where you said you spent 10 years in particle wave theory, but in that time, you never learned what a scientific theory is?
Then you say absolutely retarded things like "Evolution is a god and it takes faith to believe in it"? Because the mountains of evidence isn't strong enough, we have to have faith?
@tommy605 Dont respond on issues you obviously know NOTHING about !! islam same as Christian !!? Man you just not only insulted Millions of Christians, but Millions of muslims would differ as well... As far as the rest, it doesnt warrant a responses.
@jfitguru Ahh, you poor pathetic little monkey. You've lived too long with your special jesus glasses on. Judaism, Islam and Christianity are all Abrahamic religions based on the original Hebrew scriptures. It doesn't take a genius to find that, but does show your total lack of knowledge on the history of the religion you say you follow so close. If you're going follow something so adherently, you should probably learn at least the basic history of it. The rest of course, is the same.
@tommy605 You do know that allah, is the "moon" god that gets its origins from babylon.. Also though most arabs are decendents of ishmael who is the illegitimate son of Abram, that is the only thing they they have in common. Sounds like YOU need the course: Your other non arabic nations and tribes came from the breeding of Esau and sons of Ham and Ishmael. These were the nations used to punish Israel in much of its history. Hebrew moved in language to Aramaic and influenced modern mid east.
@jfitguru You do know that Allah is NOT the moon god. That is what Christianity has said he is. Not to mention, the whole thing. Allah, God, whatever you want to call him, is make believe. Made up. Every story about Allah/God was told thousands of years before the respective books were written about them. They "borrowed" (Today would be called plagiarism) parts from previous gods and prophets and added to their own.
@tommy605 Since you seem so educated, this ought to be fun, why dont you tell me where did the Crescent Moon on their mosques, books, and religion come from for islam? what was its origins and then tell me, What is the OLDEST known Sript/book of Writing known to mankind SO far?
@jfitguru All to easy. Check out the Qur'ân 2:189. They ask you about the new moons. Say: These are signs to mark fixed periods of time for mankind and for the pilgrimage. Also explains why christianity and muslims follow lunar cycle. In both the Bible and the Qur'ân religious festivals are regulated by the lunar calendar. Jews and Muslims have kept to these regulations which they believe to be from God. Why does Christianity follow a solar calendar?. Epic of Gilgamesh is the oldest book
@tommy605 Aha ! NOPE ! The Oldest book of Writings is the book of JOB. And The lunar cycle is also followed by NASA for many calculations. So dont call it religious just because someone uses a sextant or lunar cycles. IT comes down to belief and where THAT origin of Belief comes from. The moon god comes from the culture of the first babylonian empire. Christianity follows Christ but like all beginnings, the Roman calendar was devised first Roman empire based on greek myths.
@jfitguru Sorry man. The Epic was written 1300 years before the book of Job.
I didn't mean to say following lunar cycles was religion. All I was saying is that explains why Christianity and Islam follow it. Sorry if I confused you with that. Wasn't the intent.
To address the faith in evolution statement. It's not faith when there are facts and evidence to back it up. Faith is to follow blindly. And it's not a religion. Explain how you think it is please.
@tommy605 The epic of Gilgamesh is oldest Known Story (which I debate as well), however NOT the oldest confirmed set of Writings. The book of JOB covers that. Evol:1. not one single link exists between one species vs.another 2. There is NOT one single evidence that shows an INCREASE in genetic code in any type of breeding.3. There is NO definitive code/description of where/what a species IS. 4. Carbon Dating is full of flaws.5.Electricity, laws of physics, & Chemistry is Theory. But it works
@jfitguru That's why they use Radiometric dating. Depends on how you define link. Fossils, sure. There are thousands of fossils showing the relationship between species, but fossils aren't the only way to get the evidence. If there was not one fossil in existence, they would still be able to prove evolution. Please do some research on evolution biology, and not from the likes of Behe.
Depends on how you define book. If you're talking bound and paper, then The Diamond Sutra is the oldest.
@tommy605 And there is the center of debate. You and I have the same evidences, same articles, same fossils, biology, physics, sciences and yet we derive two separate interpretations. I choose to believe and follow both the Intelligent Design origins, and that the GOD of Israel Exists and sent his Son as Our Messiah. And yet I love the Science, Research and Voyage of exploration into finds and history of our universe. I see all these evidences pointing to a creator. BTW I read David Berlinski
@jfitguru David Berlinski, is one with a fantastic mind, but he doesnt believe in "GOD" but does see most of his studies and work point toward I,D. He has some pretty interesting thoughts on this subject.. He seems to be benevolent on the subject of a Creator though..
@jfitguru But he is not a scientist in anyway. He is not an expert on biology, and even though he has written books on math, he is not a mathematician. His degree is in philosophy. So, I'd say, if you're reading him as an expert argument for ID, then you need to read what real scientist say.
Anyway, I think that's enough. You keep implying that ID is separate from God, and no progress can be made if we're always stuck on that point.
@jfitguru And by the way, I didn't say the religions were the same. I said they worshiped the same God. One big difference is dedication, and christians fall far short of Islam for that. Another difference is that people of the Islam faith KNOW the history of their god, so they tend to be less ignorant and don't sound like they're retarded.
@jfitguru And by the way, I didn't say the religions were the same. I said they worshiped the same God. One big difference is dedication, and christians fall far short of Islam for that. Another difference is that people of the Islam faith KNOW the history of their god, so they tend to be less ignorant and don't sound like they're retarded.
See? Yeah, probably not. What's the point of having eyes if you're not willing to see, or ears if you're not willing to hear?
@tommy605 There are ONLY two witnesses in THIS world that give its testimony to "THE" one TRUE GOD !!: Israelites, and Christians. ALL OTHERS FALL OFF !! We are the witnesses that soon YOU will persecute and Behead on a massive scale. We will be attacked in blogs, letters, media, papers, words, from relatives and communities for our witness. Just like you are doing now.. This is going to increase on a major grand scale, and I fully expect to be killed for it.. Thats quite alright with me BTW.
@jfitguru I'm not sure what you're trying to say with this. Persecute and behead? It's funny how the top two religious groups, together having more than 50% of the worlds population, claim persecution. It sucks when that measly 10% atheist persecute you, isn't it? What I'm doing now is pointing out your ignorance. What you choose to do with that info is up to you. You can use it to learn, or keep your blinders on like you have been until now.
@tommy605 What did I say? I said it would INCREASE dramatically, and within the next decade! True Christians dont comprise more than 10% of the world's pop. Again you and many others like to LUMP all beliefs together and call them under one umbrella of "Religion" descripto. Im not religious and dont like religion. But why would you know? After all you have me completely figured out, Right?
@jfitguru Define true Christian? Every sect of Christianity says that they are the one one only true Christianity. We lump you together because christianity is defined as followers of Christ. If you follow Christ, you are religious.
@tommy605 That would be like me telling YOU that you are just like ALL atheists! I know in my heart this is not true as many differ in their opinions and beliefs. You are correct that one who follows Christ is a Christian, BUT when it comes to doctrine, I follow NONE save one ! And NO I AM NOT Religious. However your faith and belief in the Theory of Evolution is to me also a religion..
@Th0masWarner No. Not my point. My point is that you statement seemed to imply not many believed in Creation.. I was show with stats that the opposite is true --- well at least in the U.S. And iran (islam, catholicism, buddahism, new age, morminism, ) and Religion as a whole cant be lumped together.. there are many dieties and gods. Unless U put all together as ONE giant box that speaks to belief.. IF you do then you must add, evolutionists as well, as they have faith in theory as well.
@Th0masWarner Actually over 76% people in America believe in GOD ! And out of the 76%, Currently approx 60% Believe in CHRIST as a savior.. That's about 200 Million. Pretty stout number. So Your saying all these, doctors, lawyers, judges, politicians, sports players, teachers, scientists, artists, musicians, and anyone else are stupid and nut jobs? I dont know, thats a pretty far throw..
@jfitguru Actually over 95% people in the Middle East believe in ALLAH ! And out of the 95%, Currently approx 97% Believe in MOHAMMED as a prophet. That's about 700 Million. Pretty stout number. So Your saying all these, doctors, lawyers, judges, politicians, sports players, teachers, scientists, artists, musicians, and anyone else are stupid and nut jobs? I dont know, thats a pretty far throw..
@jfitguru Misguided, brainwashed, or Unsincere but not having the time to give a damn is more likely :> But from a logic point of view, believing in something, without any reason (read reason as 'proof' or 'sound logic') is quite a telltale sign of stupidity or just not caring (and going with the flow), being a sheep :> a lamb to the slaughter :) Knowledge is power
@devilzown11 Knowledge IS POWER.. But what Kind ? And WHAT Knowledge does one / Should seek !? As in the original Garden it was the area of Knowledge of GOOD AND EVIL.. Both were tapped on that day. And ever since then it has permeated EVERY single branch of humanity. So, Which is it? What knowledge do you wish? We are living in a world of lies, envy, corruption, power, fame, war and Love, sincerity, sacrifice, peace --- which requires great discernment per individual.
@jfitguru In our current world, it appears to be knowledge that grants control over the worldview of others :> It SHOULD be knowledge that shows us who we are in the greater surrounding. What do we represent on the galactic & intergalactic scale, and what is our destiny. God may or may not exist, but if I were to make a calculated guess, it's also likely that our destiny is to become a God. Science sophisticated enough, is not only undistinguishable from magic, but also from omnipotence or God.
@devilzown11 Yeah if we dont destroy ourselves. Look at the middle east and the decay of the U.S. and its policies. WE are all heading to one giant Zit of explosion that may self exterminate. Our Technology will be the death of us all. However You already know where I stand on the end and coming of a "prophecy". And I hold a different view. I believe Science is meant to be-- but-- for the deep discovery of the one who created it all. We were meant to explore and research and discover.
The bible blows my mind. How can it be rewritten so many times over so many years in so many different languages and still get π wrong? If I were a bible believing Christian I would have to accept that pi is equal to 3.
This guy knows very little. He spouts out vomit.. He has alot of explaining to do and I would love to see this clown debate a true Science Dr. such as Oktar Babuna MD Brain Surgeon out of Turkey. This guy would Bury krauss in a heartbeat.
@jfitguru Krauss is a revered and very intelligent PARTICLE PHYSICIST. How the fuck do you plan on having a brain surgeon debate something with a physicist/astronomer that they are both profoundly educated on? Stop posting things you obviously little thought into.
@lvl70shampally Wow ! You are really intelligent yourself --- NOT ! What a goober.. Dude, seriously get a clue.. Your comment only espouses your lack of depth and logic.
@jfitguru Actually it shows how little you think you know about either person you are talking about. A brain surgeon debating a particle physicist. Do you realize how stupid that sounds? And goober? FFS....
@lvl70shampally Seriously dude, if you are that un-intelligent to see the point made, there is no one on this planet who can explain to you, the logic or forethought needed to understand. You cant squeeze blood out of a Rock,, --- Well, according to dumb thought of evolution, you can..
@jfitguru What fucking point did you make, that a brain surgeon could some how own a a particle physicist in a debate? Maybe if krauss claimed to be a brain surgeon. But he isnt. You just spout shit out of your ass to try to somehow discredit krauss and anyone with half a brain and half an understanding of what either person does can see through the bullshit. As for evolution, that one idiotic comment easily shows how retarded you are.
@lvl70shampally Wow ! is that all you got is personal attacks and euphemisms that only exploit your uncontrolled and undisciplined mind? Without any further evidence on top of your comments, I highly recommend you see some one about your anger management, or lack thereof. Let me try to get a clue to you. This guy in the Vid, is not interested in "Particle Physics". He is only interested in destroying the opinions, the facts, and the display of another view.. Got it.. ? I doubt you do.
@jfitguru Well I intended to ignore this due to the fact that you were unable to hold and back up your point that a brain surgeon could possibly debate a particle physicist and even with this response you have been unable to do so. Not only do you try to move even more off topic by doing the same personal attacks on me that you accuse me of, but you now trying to justify previous statements by talking about how Lawrence isnt interest in particle physics. In the future i suggest you use
@jfitguru wikipedia to come up with a good argument instead of using it to find big words to try to make yourself look more intelligent and to cover up the fact that you cannot even support your starting statement. And no evolution does not state that you can squeeze blood from a rock, nor does it have anything to do with rocks, so yes, in that sense your comment on it shows how ignorant you are to the subject.
@lvl70shampally So let me get this straight, A PARTICLE PHYSICIST can comment on and charge against theology and the perspective of Creation, But a "BRAIN" Surgeon Can't. Well for a NON Physicist and Non theologian YOU seem to broadcast your views w/out restraint.! Sounds to me Like some one CAN be capable of having involment of more than Just one subject. And Yes Evolution says you can get blood from a rock. How else did the single cell arrive in your Cartoon World?
@jfitguru On the subject in the video which is young earth creation, yes a particle physicist would have more knowledge on the subject than a brain surgeon for reason you wouldn't understand because you've never taken a course in either particle physics or just a regular physics class, I'v done both. As for evolution, again you show your stupidity. Evolution shows how life diversified after it already existed. What you are referencing is abiogenesis. And no that still does not claim that
@jfitguru you can get life from a rock. It tells how life can arise from nothing more than organic molecules. Again you should use wikipedia for more than just looking up big words, like looking up the definition of words you want to mindlessly throw around without thinking.
@lvl70shampally Maybe you need to go back to physics. I dont think it sank in.. Anyway You dont know me so dont start making accusations about my experiences, it just exposes your inability to debate. The reason I say this is, I spent 10 years in particle and wave theory in the Navy. Wave propogation was our realm of work. You cant get or do that without a stron background in Physics. And so with much collegiate work and 2 solid years of studies we began another 2 in sig theory. Btw its theory.
@lvl70shampally You have many evolutionist scientists who see that organic life began AFTER or on the back of Crystals. You want me to name them? And thanks about the tip with wikipedia.. I might try that. However you also should beg the question, "where did the Organic Life Come from" as well. You evolutionists have alot to answer that you just FLAT OUT CANT ANSWER.. AND I admit, We creationist Cant either.. But I know we came from intelligence, where you imply, we did not.
A number of scientific research projects have show that the Earth is 13.75 ± 0.13 billion years old, not 14 billion years old.
pgdevil 5 days ago
Very enjoyable thank you
xtremetom180 1 week ago
Creationism isn't a misinterpretation of the bible, the bible is explicit, and it's just wrong
rt36crazyfists 1 week ago
8:15 quick layering during the flood
christlikekid 2 weeks ago
rocks dont talk
christlikekid 2 weeks ago
awesome
featheredmusic 4 months ago
ask yourself everyday: "What can I do to ridicule religion today?"
Religion is like a hungry wulf, waiting to feast on humanity and devoure humanity completely...
In human history: To have a few milion atheists now is the exception, not the rule. Religion will prevail in the future if we let it!
That MUST NOT happen!
georgemargaris 4 months ago 2
...and the person who discovered the bigbang was on crack, and had AIDs, and was heavily abused as a child, BUT REGARDLESS!
kennethwest780 4 months ago
Why is it that when the no be-leavers open one of there museums us christian do not go to protests, but when we try to open one of our few museums you see hundreds of hate filed protesters. and If you see Arabic try to opening one of their museums would they be there, No they would not! and that is because there religion does not disprove there theory's and that is because they do not have a fully complete theory and their theory is very fraud!
kennethwest780 4 months ago
@kennethwest780 "and their theory is very fraud"
and your evidence for this assertion is?
csmcmillion 4 months ago
@kennethwest780 That's because Arabic should be Arabs and Arabs are a people, not a religion.
yomejustacandy 4 months ago
LOL - My 14 year old could debate this guy and bury him. His argument is made up of straw and lies.
jimthebaptist67 4 months ago
@jimthebaptist67 -- good luck with that.
nthomas87 4 months ago
@jimthebaptist67 I can imagine how someone who has no clue about science would think this. Try getting an education.
csmcmillion 4 months ago
@csmcmillion
I can't understand how Darwinians think that anyone who does not agree with them must have dropped out of the 6th grade.
Oh, and I lead two atheists to the Lord this week on visitation by showing them how much they walk by faith.
How did that happen? They both said they were seeking purpose.
jimthebaptist67 4 months ago
@jimthebaptist67 Great. Doesn't make your assertions correct. Now, please share with me the evidence that backs your position.
csmcmillion 4 months ago
@csmcmillion
I walk by faith in some areas and admit that. Now, why won't atheist admit the same?
jimthebaptist67 4 months ago
@jimthebaptist67 First, I never said I was a (strong) atheist. That being said, faith is irrational. It is belief in that which is not supported by evidence or compelling logical argument. I walk by reason.
csmcmillion 4 months ago
@csmcmillion
So lightening striking a mud puddle, sparking life, that life containing all the genetic makeup for every living thing, that thing finding a way to eat and reproduce in it's short lifetime.
That my friend is a walk by faith.
jimthebaptist67 4 months ago
@jimthebaptist67 That does not sound like a viable model of bio-genesis, and I doubt it is actually a theory put forth by real biochemists.
In any case, the fallacy you are making is the use of the God-of-the-gaps argument. Anything we don't understand _must_ be an act of magic. 500 years ago you (by the same logic) would have been arguing that disease, comets, eclipses, etc. (any of the things not understood at the time) was an act of magic.
csmcmillion 4 months ago
@jimthebaptist67 That is not how abiogenesis worked.
It took about 4.5 billion years for life as we know it to develop. It began as simple proteins, then RNA, then DNA, etc. until we arrive at where we are today.
It was NOT the way you so ignorantly attempted to dismiss it. It didn't happen in one short life. It took a VERY long time.
Before you try to explain something, it might be best if you understand it first.
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@jimthebaptist67 That is not how abiogenesis worked.
It took about 4.5 billion years for life as we know it to develop. It began as simple proteins, then RNA, then DNA, etc. until we arrive at where we are today.
It was NOT the way you so ignorantly attempted to dismiss it. It didn't happen in one short life. It took a VERY long time.
Before you try to explain something, it might be best if you understand it first.
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@jimthebaptist67 "I can't understand how Darwinians think that anyone who does not agree with them must have dropped out of the 6th grade" It's not that anyone who disagrees with them, it's anyone who continues to belive things a 6th grade education disproves. Many people find it very hard to understand how you can attend a school, listen to what is taught, and still believe that some myths and fables are true. Think of it like saying Elvis is still alive while at his funeral.
davidsfriend01 4 months ago 2
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Amen!! lololol
jimthebaptist67 4 months ago
@davidsfriend01
Amen!! lololol
jimthebaptist67 4 months ago
@davidsfriend01 Have my children.
yomejustacandy 4 months ago
@yomejustacandy I already have three of my own, but I appreciate the sentiment
davidsfriend01 4 months ago
@jimthebaptist67 Well you know if someone doesnt think fact is true theres going to be some problems, dawkins alligns it with holocaust deniers.
dawtchins 3 weeks ago
@jimthebaptist67 Example of the straw? Lies? Listen to the facts and see if you can dispute them. You have any problems with the rock strata evidence, ice core data, etcI, too, have a science education. You are abusing your son if you keep him from a science education.
dewonderkind 1 month ago
We have to fight for enlightenment values. They are all that seperates us from the Dark Ages (literally).
ZachRose88 4 months ago
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No wonder this fraud of a "museum" is located in Dumbfuckistan (aka Southern US). What a sorry collection of retarded people. They're an embarrassment to civilized people.
WhiteLakeDan 5 months ago
I love how many athiest are on youtube... u guys are my peeps!
BTMaverick707 5 months ago 2
I dare anyone to challenge this . . .
Actual Research that connects our World to the Word of God.
Know about:
Afterlife, Aliens, History, Life, Death, Dinosaurs, Animals, Ghost, Reincarnation, Symbols and much more.
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Foundation360 6 months ago
@Foundation360 Lol ok I challenge it. So what, what are you going to do now?
OpethNation 6 months ago
@OpethNation ok, whats your question...and if it is "what's you scientific evidence?"
Here's your answer: Science will never TRULY find the Spiritual Dimension, like air we know it exist it but we cannot see it.
The Spirit World leaves traces that cannot be SCIENTIFICALLY IDENTIFIED of it's existence because it can only be IDENTIFIED with either GOD or SATAN which is something the WORLD REFUSES to accept.
Foundation360 6 months ago
@Foundation360 If the spiritual world can not be measured then how do you get your "actual research"?
OpethNation 6 months ago
@OpethNation I got my research from my own experiences, and other people's similar experience, from the history of different cultures, and different religions and because is the actual truth all these subjects fall into place. Let me be clear I have found the truth in the Bible not the church.
The Bible explains and describes all; visible&invisible
That's why through faith someone becomes saved. GOD knows his dimension cannot be contacted by scientific studies; usually done by NON-Believers.
Foundation360 6 months ago
@Foundation360 That's incredibly vague. Just say that your faith is what gives you "evidence".
OpethNation 6 months ago
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Foundation360 6 months ago
@Foundation360 "I just really enjoy when science catches up to the Bible." Face palm. You have gone off the deep end sir.
OpethNation 6 months ago
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Foundation360 6 months ago
@Foundation360 lol
OpethNation 6 months ago
@Foundation360 Idiot
MrPoxman 6 months ago
@MrPoxman Stay Ignorant.
You're Lacking knowledge, information, and awareness.
Foundation360 6 months ago
@Foundation360 Why don't you "challenge" him as well? Then delete more of your ridiculous comments when you fleetingly realize how insane they are.
OpethNation 6 months ago
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@Foundation360 I don't even know where to start...
creationists are just funny!
DuhDuhDAVEY 5 months ago
Remove an A and an O from Creation and you get Cretin.
lewisner 6 months ago
<3 yes
navyblue182 6 months ago
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LordLoudoun 7 months ago
@NoneImpact
No, I'm afraid he wasn't. Me neither, and he has closed his account.
anglicantian 7 months ago
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Want to see the real Garden of Eden? Take a look at my videos. I'm the guy who discovered it. As far as religion goes- it does nothing for you, but Jesus will introduce you to His Father if you'll let Him. God is real and so is lucifer. Both want you, but only 1 loves you- figure it out
downyourtube 7 months ago
u re lucky for having these kind of scientists.i mean he couldnt talk about anything and could his job
esraretin 7 months ago
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the jokes on you ....see below
benaberry 8 months ago
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this guy is a joke, mix your fake science with real
buffalo1d 8 months ago
@buffalo1d is joke? do u even understand speacial realtivity? he is a great scientist
esraretin 7 months ago
@buffalo1d What? are you serious?
sirdelrio 7 months ago
Religon is so not cool.
benaberry 8 months ago 23
Go Lawrence!!!
ViperRob42 8 months ago 16
im not gonna live my life based on prediction
jackblacksutube 8 months ago
you dont know about the universe. u scientist are repeatedly proven wrong. all your claims are theories and not fact. until you can prove your claims then have respect and less arrogance
jackblacksutube 8 months ago
@jackblacksutube
Thats funny you say that......Religion has been proven wrong to nearly infinity and hasn't a single thread of empirical evidence to support its claims.
1EpicLulz 8 months ago
@1EpicLulz thats cause God believing religion does not work like science religion. you rely on evidence, we believe in faith. and you have no evidence to say there isnt a intelligent design. life's formation alone could not have formed in the alotted time period by random. mathematically impossible
jackblacksutube 8 months ago
@jackblacksutube
1st Science is not a religion...
2nd Proving existence with a negative is a logic fallacy. (no one has disproved there is a man with a TV living at the center of the sun so should we believe that to?)
3rd Evolution is not random
1EpicLulz 8 months ago
@1EpicLulz yes it is. once you have the answer for how everything works science will remain just another belief. im not saying a man and a plasma are behind it but something nontheless. and the chances for life originating on earth or the universe is hihgly unprobable.
jackblacksutube 8 months ago
@jackblacksutube
No its not....Religion is the worshiping of a deity. Science doesn't worship any Gods....
Life seems improbable with our current understanding of the universe. However when one takes into account the shear vastness of the universe with billions of galaxies than each contain billion of stars and billion of planets. The probability of other life isnt really that low as one is originally lead to believe.
1EpicLulz 8 months ago
@1EpicLulz Science is not a religion, but religion is not a science. Forming a creation origin from the bible is a miss interpretation of it. Most people, these include some or most atheists and most Christians, fall guilty to this because they don't know how to read the bible. And therefore you get these false interpretations like intelligent design. The first pages of the Bible, where all of this originates, must be read in an allegorical and parabolic sense.
zathen 8 months ago
@zathen
The bible is pretty clear on its creation theory...
1EpicLulz 8 months ago
@1EpicLulz If you think that you're just as dumb as the fundametalist christians.
zathen 8 months ago
@zathen
So in other words what you are trying to say is no one knows what the creation story of the bible is? Maybe the story of Adam and eve was metaphorical for evolution?.......please.
The only reason to take the bible "allegorical" is because its to absurd to be fact with our current understanding of science.
People need to stop trying to reinterpret the bible and just accept the fact its wrong. It is not the word of a divine being. Its nothing more than myth and folklore .
1EpicLulz 8 months ago
@1EpicLulz The Jews have been interpretting the bible the way I just said since ancient times. People read something today and ask, did it really happen? When people in ancient times read something, they ask: what does it mean? I don't want to prolong this if you are ignorant of ancient writings and how they were read. I don't have time to lecture you.
zathen 8 months ago
@zathen
refer back to my last comment......
It still applies.
1EpicLulz 8 months ago
@1EpicLulz Do you think the ancient peoples would of understood something like evolution? Or accepted such a theory? Think before you speak, your last comment is a waste of thought.
zathen 8 months ago
"Do you think the ancient peoples would of understood something like evolution?"
No....Thats why they came up with the fairy tale known as the book of Genesis......
Man needed a way to explain the world around him in a time when he had little understanding of it. So he created the story of Adam and Eve and the rest of that folklore.
The same thing was taking place in every culture of the world. The bibles story is nothing special. Try to use rational thought instead of getting defensive.
1EpicLulz 8 months ago 2
@1EpicLulz Just because they needed an explanation doesn't mean everything in the bible is false. Bare in mind how short the creation narrative in the bible is. Now bare in mind how long the bible is. I think not even 0.1 of a percent is the total of the creation narrative. Then you realize it's not just a creation narrative. It's much deeper than that. Their are many creation narratives, and most of them give us life lessons, not literal interpretations of the origin of life or Earth, etc
zathen 8 months ago
@zathen
seeing how there is no empirical evidence to support the bibles events it claimed happened (some cases recorded history has proven them wrong with 100% certainty.) i think its safe to say its purely fabricated or at least to the point where it has no significant meaning.
1EpicLulz 8 months ago
@1EpicLulz Let me give you an example I made up, a creation narrative about mountains. "In the world in ancient times, the one who held the most power was the tribe with the biggest rock. Some tribes were bent on creating the biggest one in the whole world. But when they tried, and it got too big, it crumbled, over the city, destroying it, and creating a mountain." Is this a literal interpretation of how mountains were created? Or a story about Man's lust for power? Do you understand?
zathen 8 months ago
@zathen
I know what you mean about metaphors and narratives. The point I'm trying to make is the Bible has no significant meaning as it is just fabrication. (even the plausible events).
1EpicLulz 8 months ago
@zathen Let me give you an example I made up, a creation narrative about mountains. "In the world in ancient times, the one who held the most power was the tribe with the biggest rock. Some tribes were bent on creating the biggest one in the whole world. But when they tried, and it got too big, it crumbled, over the city, destroying it, and creating a mountain" Is this a literal interpretation of how mountains were created? Or a story about Man's lust for power? Do you understand?
zathen 8 months ago
@zathen So Jesus died for sin of a symbolic guy who never existed?
kemalcs 8 months ago
@kemalcs I speak of the Old Testament. But it would be foolish to think the 100% of the Old or even New Testament happend. These are not 21st Century Western History or exact biographies. They are GOSPELS. Different sort of literature.
zathen 8 months ago
@zathen I can understand your point. But Paul's theology is built on the idea the crucifixation of Jesus is a cosmic payoff of Adam's original sin. Then it's very hard to position things.
kemalcs 8 months ago
@kemalcs Yes but you never really asked what Adam represented. He represents all of us. We all have the fallen nature. Adam represents humankind. Jesus represents the new humankind, not saying of course that he never existed. But as to Adam, he probably never did exist, unless you realize what he represents, then you'll realize that he did exist, and still does in all of us.
zathen 8 months ago
@zathen I think you define original sin similar to Islamic nafs (ego, desire etc etc.)
kemalcs 8 months ago
@kemalcs Original sin is not just Adam's sin. We not only inherited it, it is as if we ourselves have commited it.
zathen 8 months ago
"forget jesus, stars died for us" -Lawrence Krauss- my favorite quote
defect530 8 months ago 49
@heavensproperty1 Apparently you've missed out on the last 200 hundred years of scientific discovery. Even in his condensed remarks, Krauss presents more science than the whole of intelligent design and creationism.
Ematched 9 months ago 2
Fifteen people don't know their head from their ass.
cutes22 9 months ago
@cutes22 lol!
R2rGangstaFC 8 months ago
@Lawrence Krauss
AMEN!
MrHooga43 9 months ago
I agree Creationism is not science period.
wachnathan 9 months ago
Im surprised that Christians are not protesting this more. Its doing far more damage to religion than science. Luckily young people are generally more inteligent than many adults. They are just going to laugh at religion when things like creation museums come up.
simonfishee 9 months ago
" what nature tell you " hmm i didn't know nature spoke in english or any clear language for that manner .so it has to be interprated .
SuperPatrick777 9 months ago
Lawrence just tell them God says the universe is 14 billion years old and they'll believe you.
dlbattle100 9 months ago
For God's sake, buy a tripod.
dlbattle100 9 months ago
Damn, the for votes are at 666. Let's keep it there!
djohnnyf 10 months ago
Real science disagrees with everything this man is saying. Sad.
heavensproperty1 10 months ago
@heavensproperty1
That's such a bold lie I'm not surprised to see it coming from a creationist.
anglicantian 10 months ago
@heavensproperty1 he is one of the best nd recognized scientist out there! ...its sad u dont care about truth!
stress4rmbk 10 months ago
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andrew1zy 10 months ago
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@heavensproperty1 Perhaps we should listen to people with PHDs and higher forms of education, which i suspect you have a severe lack of.
andrew1zy 10 months ago
@heavensproperty1 What a bullshit comment lol
MindstormRecs 9 months ago
Why do creationist videos always have the comments and ratings disabled?
MisterMcKinney 10 months ago
@MisterMcKinney
why are you surprised ? It is just another form of closed-mindedness :p
TruthBeSaidPSU 10 months ago
Excellent! I'm so glad Prof Krauss is out there kicking moron asses.
pandaya 10 months ago
@mrwho995 At least Stephen Hawking is smart enough and intellectually honest enough to recognize the that what is put fourth as an idea can't be proven until it's replicated. I'm not denying microevolution. I don't and can't believe in interspeciel macroevolution. I believe that earth is older than 6,000 years old. Your pompous attitude towards other ideas on life and universal origins are quite nauseating by the way.
jckcism 10 months ago
"I'm not denying microevolution. I don't and can't believe in interspeciemacroevolution"
Microevolution and macroevolution are the same thing, different magnitudes. They're both evolution. You seem to think that microevolution and macroevolution are ontologically different. They're not. They're the same thing, differentiated only by time.
What logical or biological barriers prevent small changes (microevolution) from accumulating and, over time, causes larger changes (macroevolution)?
flylike1 10 months ago
god damn creationists
keithrose4227 10 months ago 36
@keithrose4227 : Irony.
THEBHUPINDER1984 5 months ago
It seems that every time creationism comes under criticism, they are called deniers of science. Just because someone believes the origins of life and the universe come from God does not mean that they deny the laws of science. It's not denying science anymore than evolutionists and their pseudoscience ideas of the origins of the universe.
jckcism 10 months ago
@jckcism
And what DO you call it when people bold face say that they still believe the world and everything else is only 6000 years old, when evidence to the contrary is present?
To me that is still denying science, at least in part. It goes to show the conditioning went through as children that makes people want to suspend critical thinking to make themselves feel better about death, by way of distorted half ass answers that do very little, if anything at all.
ryoh01 10 months ago
@jckcism
You are first denying science for denying evolution. Evolution is just as much of a fact as gravity. Your religious beliefs are irrelevant to the fact that you are denying science. As for the origins of the universe, that has nothing to do with evolution, and it is not pseudo-science. You simply do not understand it. Steven Hawking, one of the smartest people alive, would not dedicate his life to pseudo-science. Don't knock something you couldn't even begin to understand.
mrwho995 10 months ago
@jckcism Creationists deny science because it destroys everything they believe in, they lash out against it and create lies about it to make it seem less credible. Yea what's more credible than an invisible man in the sky that gets mad at you when you jerk off right? *shaking my head*
MindstormRecs 9 months ago
OMG you not only met PZ Myers IRL, but Dr. Lawrence Krauss himself
TehPhysicalist 11 months ago
Sure some people can believe in god and practice various faith based rituals oriented to that particular moral deity and be supporters of science and there can, of course, be science people who do not believe in god at all and prefer scientific explanations which at certain points are reduced down to great unknowns but the business of these 'creationists' and their bogus theories are worse than bad jokes and they are evidence of people who need to join parades of stupidity for comfort and vanity
lordcadburyhopkins 11 months ago
@lordcadburyhopkins Hear that? Oh. Well, I'm clapping: WELL SAID! And you know, even being part of the "Stupid Parades" would be just fine too. People do stupendously stupid EVERY MILISECOND!
BUT, they are NOT happy with the freedom to practice their personal religion. They want to, at the very least, make sure that they are allowed to subject everyone else to as much of it as possible, while denying everyone else the chance to voice not just their opinions, but any facts that contradict them!
matThaHatter 11 months ago
INTELLECTUAL HONESTY BITCHES
aantiawp 11 months ago
he was getting a hard on when he started talking about science
PeacefulParadox 11 months ago
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Abu7929 11 months ago
Not many people went to College (and studied Western World Civilization) and works for a living believes the world is only 6,000 years old... Life is a gift...Please enjoy it.
donlaxner 11 months ago
@donlaxner Have you considered that if it's a gift, who gave the gift? GOD did fellow human. God created you and I.
danielucy 11 months ago
@danielucy Um NO
splicedenergy 11 months ago
@Th0masWarner Sorry bout that.. But how do I respond to Your comment by not hitting reply..? And YES I am a die hard Creationist and believe deeply in GOD and CHRIST.. And to be straight, I do however enjoy the occasional moments to stir an atheist..
jfitguru 1 year ago
Dark age-centrics should either keep away from modern technology and medicine and admit to a lack of honest intellectual curiosity about the universe ... or grow up!
marcmeup1 1 year ago
@Th0masWarner Again to re-iterate, my point is I believe in THE GOD while Allah is the moon god, and Catholics Pray to mary, and many others , other gods. Though You may call them ALL religions (which is fine) but not all have same doctrine or VALUES for that matter. islam is a very dangerous religion and there is much proof in that today. However Evolution Is a god and it takes faith to believe in theory. Evolution theory is based on the same evidence Creationists use to support its side.
jfitguru 1 year ago
@jfitguru First, your christian god is the same as the islam god. The values may be different, which is pretty good evidence that your god is non existent.
I saw in a different message where you said you spent 10 years in particle wave theory, but in that time, you never learned what a scientific theory is?
Then you say absolutely retarded things like "Evolution is a god and it takes faith to believe in it"? Because the mountains of evidence isn't strong enough, we have to have faith?
tommy605 1 year ago
@tommy605 Dont respond on issues you obviously know NOTHING about !! islam same as Christian !!? Man you just not only insulted Millions of Christians, but Millions of muslims would differ as well... As far as the rest, it doesnt warrant a responses.
jfitguru 1 year ago
@jfitguru Ahh, you poor pathetic little monkey. You've lived too long with your special jesus glasses on. Judaism, Islam and Christianity are all Abrahamic religions based on the original Hebrew scriptures. It doesn't take a genius to find that, but does show your total lack of knowledge on the history of the religion you say you follow so close. If you're going follow something so adherently, you should probably learn at least the basic history of it. The rest of course, is the same.
tommy605 1 year ago
@tommy605 You do know that allah, is the "moon" god that gets its origins from babylon.. Also though most arabs are decendents of ishmael who is the illegitimate son of Abram, that is the only thing they they have in common. Sounds like YOU need the course: Your other non arabic nations and tribes came from the breeding of Esau and sons of Ham and Ishmael. These were the nations used to punish Israel in much of its history. Hebrew moved in language to Aramaic and influenced modern mid east.
jfitguru 1 year ago
@jfitguru You do know that Allah is NOT the moon god. That is what Christianity has said he is. Not to mention, the whole thing. Allah, God, whatever you want to call him, is make believe. Made up. Every story about Allah/God was told thousands of years before the respective books were written about them. They "borrowed" (Today would be called plagiarism) parts from previous gods and prophets and added to their own.
tommy605 1 year ago 2
@tommy605 Since you seem so educated, this ought to be fun, why dont you tell me where did the Crescent Moon on their mosques, books, and religion come from for islam? what was its origins and then tell me, What is the OLDEST known Sript/book of Writing known to mankind SO far?
jfitguru 1 year ago
@jfitguru All to easy. Check out the Qur'ân 2:189. They ask you about the new moons. Say: These are signs to mark fixed periods of time for mankind and for the pilgrimage. Also explains why christianity and muslims follow lunar cycle. In both the Bible and the Qur'ân religious festivals are regulated by the lunar calendar. Jews and Muslims have kept to these regulations which they believe to be from God. Why does Christianity follow a solar calendar?. Epic of Gilgamesh is the oldest book
tommy605 1 year ago
@tommy605 Aha ! NOPE ! The Oldest book of Writings is the book of JOB. And The lunar cycle is also followed by NASA for many calculations. So dont call it religious just because someone uses a sextant or lunar cycles. IT comes down to belief and where THAT origin of Belief comes from. The moon god comes from the culture of the first babylonian empire. Christianity follows Christ but like all beginnings, the Roman calendar was devised first Roman empire based on greek myths.
jfitguru 1 year ago
@jfitguru Sorry man. The Epic was written 1300 years before the book of Job.
I didn't mean to say following lunar cycles was religion. All I was saying is that explains why Christianity and Islam follow it. Sorry if I confused you with that. Wasn't the intent.
To address the faith in evolution statement. It's not faith when there are facts and evidence to back it up. Faith is to follow blindly. And it's not a religion. Explain how you think it is please.
tommy605 1 year ago
@tommy605 The epic of Gilgamesh is oldest Known Story (which I debate as well), however NOT the oldest confirmed set of Writings. The book of JOB covers that. Evol:1. not one single link exists between one species vs.another 2. There is NOT one single evidence that shows an INCREASE in genetic code in any type of breeding.3. There is NO definitive code/description of where/what a species IS. 4. Carbon Dating is full of flaws.5.Electricity, laws of physics, & Chemistry is Theory. But it works
jfitguru 1 year ago
@jfitguru That's why they use Radiometric dating. Depends on how you define link. Fossils, sure. There are thousands of fossils showing the relationship between species, but fossils aren't the only way to get the evidence. If there was not one fossil in existence, they would still be able to prove evolution. Please do some research on evolution biology, and not from the likes of Behe.
Depends on how you define book. If you're talking bound and paper, then The Diamond Sutra is the oldest.
tommy605 1 year ago
@tommy605 And there is the center of debate. You and I have the same evidences, same articles, same fossils, biology, physics, sciences and yet we derive two separate interpretations. I choose to believe and follow both the Intelligent Design origins, and that the GOD of Israel Exists and sent his Son as Our Messiah. And yet I love the Science, Research and Voyage of exploration into finds and history of our universe. I see all these evidences pointing to a creator. BTW I read David Berlinski
jfitguru 1 year ago
@jfitguru David Berlinski, is one with a fantastic mind, but he doesnt believe in "GOD" but does see most of his studies and work point toward I,D. He has some pretty interesting thoughts on this subject.. He seems to be benevolent on the subject of a Creator though..
jfitguru 1 year ago
@jfitguru But he is not a scientist in anyway. He is not an expert on biology, and even though he has written books on math, he is not a mathematician. His degree is in philosophy. So, I'd say, if you're reading him as an expert argument for ID, then you need to read what real scientist say.
Anyway, I think that's enough. You keep implying that ID is separate from God, and no progress can be made if we're always stuck on that point.
tommy605 1 year ago
@tommy605 Agreed..
jfitguru 11 months ago
@jfitguru And by the way, I didn't say the religions were the same. I said they worshiped the same God. One big difference is dedication, and christians fall far short of Islam for that. Another difference is that people of the Islam faith KNOW the history of their god, so they tend to be less ignorant and don't sound like they're retarded.
See? Yeah, probably not.
tommy605 1 year ago
@jfitguru And by the way, I didn't say the religions were the same. I said they worshiped the same God. One big difference is dedication, and christians fall far short of Islam for that. Another difference is that people of the Islam faith KNOW the history of their god, so they tend to be less ignorant and don't sound like they're retarded.
See? Yeah, probably not. What's the point of having eyes if you're not willing to see, or ears if you're not willing to hear?
tommy605 1 year ago
@tommy605 There are ONLY two witnesses in THIS world that give its testimony to "THE" one TRUE GOD !!: Israelites, and Christians. ALL OTHERS FALL OFF !! We are the witnesses that soon YOU will persecute and Behead on a massive scale. We will be attacked in blogs, letters, media, papers, words, from relatives and communities for our witness. Just like you are doing now.. This is going to increase on a major grand scale, and I fully expect to be killed for it.. Thats quite alright with me BTW.
jfitguru 1 year ago
@jfitguru I'm not sure what you're trying to say with this. Persecute and behead? It's funny how the top two religious groups, together having more than 50% of the worlds population, claim persecution. It sucks when that measly 10% atheist persecute you, isn't it? What I'm doing now is pointing out your ignorance. What you choose to do with that info is up to you. You can use it to learn, or keep your blinders on like you have been until now.
Good luck with all that.
tommy605 1 year ago
@tommy605 What did I say? I said it would INCREASE dramatically, and within the next decade! True Christians dont comprise more than 10% of the world's pop. Again you and many others like to LUMP all beliefs together and call them under one umbrella of "Religion" descripto. Im not religious and dont like religion. But why would you know? After all you have me completely figured out, Right?
jfitguru 1 year ago
@jfitguru Define true Christian? Every sect of Christianity says that they are the one one only true Christianity. We lump you together because christianity is defined as followers of Christ. If you follow Christ, you are religious.
tommy605 1 year ago
@tommy605 That would be like me telling YOU that you are just like ALL atheists! I know in my heart this is not true as many differ in their opinions and beliefs. You are correct that one who follows Christ is a Christian, BUT when it comes to doctrine, I follow NONE save one ! And NO I AM NOT Religious. However your faith and belief in the Theory of Evolution is to me also a religion..
jfitguru 1 year ago
@jfitguru You're a fucking moron, I don't think there's anything else to state.
MindstormRecs 9 months ago
@MindstormRecs Wow. Intelligent and well thought out response. What that take you, a week of research to come up with that.. ?
jfitguru 9 months ago
@Th0masWarner No. Not my point. My point is that you statement seemed to imply not many believed in Creation.. I was show with stats that the opposite is true --- well at least in the U.S. And iran (islam, catholicism, buddahism, new age, morminism, ) and Religion as a whole cant be lumped together.. there are many dieties and gods. Unless U put all together as ONE giant box that speaks to belief.. IF you do then you must add, evolutionists as well, as they have faith in theory as well.
jfitguru 1 year ago
@Th0masWarner Actually over 76% people in America believe in GOD ! And out of the 76%, Currently approx 60% Believe in CHRIST as a savior.. That's about 200 Million. Pretty stout number. So Your saying all these, doctors, lawyers, judges, politicians, sports players, teachers, scientists, artists, musicians, and anyone else are stupid and nut jobs? I dont know, thats a pretty far throw..
jfitguru 1 year ago
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@jfitguru Actually over 95% people in the Middle East believe in ALLAH ! And out of the 95%, Currently approx 97% Believe in MOHAMMED as a prophet. That's about 700 Million. Pretty stout number. So Your saying all these, doctors, lawyers, judges, politicians, sports players, teachers, scientists, artists, musicians, and anyone else are stupid and nut jobs? I dont know, thats a pretty far throw..
kaifroland 1 year ago
@jfitguru Misguided, brainwashed, or Unsincere but not having the time to give a damn is more likely :> But from a logic point of view, believing in something, without any reason (read reason as 'proof' or 'sound logic') is quite a telltale sign of stupidity or just not caring (and going with the flow), being a sheep :> a lamb to the slaughter :) Knowledge is power
devilzown11 1 year ago
@devilzown11 Knowledge IS POWER.. But what Kind ? And WHAT Knowledge does one / Should seek !? As in the original Garden it was the area of Knowledge of GOOD AND EVIL.. Both were tapped on that day. And ever since then it has permeated EVERY single branch of humanity. So, Which is it? What knowledge do you wish? We are living in a world of lies, envy, corruption, power, fame, war and Love, sincerity, sacrifice, peace --- which requires great discernment per individual.
jfitguru 1 year ago
@jfitguru In our current world, it appears to be knowledge that grants control over the worldview of others :> It SHOULD be knowledge that shows us who we are in the greater surrounding. What do we represent on the galactic & intergalactic scale, and what is our destiny. God may or may not exist, but if I were to make a calculated guess, it's also likely that our destiny is to become a God. Science sophisticated enough, is not only undistinguishable from magic, but also from omnipotence or God.
devilzown11 1 year ago
@devilzown11 Yeah if we dont destroy ourselves. Look at the middle east and the decay of the U.S. and its policies. WE are all heading to one giant Zit of explosion that may self exterminate. Our Technology will be the death of us all. However You already know where I stand on the end and coming of a "prophecy". And I hold a different view. I believe Science is meant to be-- but-- for the deep discovery of the one who created it all. We were meant to explore and research and discover.
jfitguru 1 year ago
The bible blows my mind. How can it be rewritten so many times over so many years in so many different languages and still get π wrong? If I were a bible believing Christian I would have to accept that pi is equal to 3.
mzyzer19 1 year ago
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@lvl70shampally Are you special?
brettdude20 1 year ago
This guy knows very little. He spouts out vomit.. He has alot of explaining to do and I would love to see this clown debate a true Science Dr. such as Oktar Babuna MD Brain Surgeon out of Turkey. This guy would Bury krauss in a heartbeat.
jfitguru 1 year ago
@jfitguru Krauss is a revered and very intelligent PARTICLE PHYSICIST. How the fuck do you plan on having a brain surgeon debate something with a physicist/astronomer that they are both profoundly educated on? Stop posting things you obviously little thought into.
lvl70shampally 1 year ago
@lvl70shampally Wow ! You are really intelligent yourself --- NOT ! What a goober.. Dude, seriously get a clue.. Your comment only espouses your lack of depth and logic.
jfitguru 1 year ago
@jfitguru Actually it shows how little you think you know about either person you are talking about. A brain surgeon debating a particle physicist. Do you realize how stupid that sounds? And goober? FFS....
lvl70shampally 1 year ago
@lvl70shampally Seriously dude, if you are that un-intelligent to see the point made, there is no one on this planet who can explain to you, the logic or forethought needed to understand. You cant squeeze blood out of a Rock,, --- Well, according to dumb thought of evolution, you can..
jfitguru 1 year ago
@jfitguru What fucking point did you make, that a brain surgeon could some how own a a particle physicist in a debate? Maybe if krauss claimed to be a brain surgeon. But he isnt. You just spout shit out of your ass to try to somehow discredit krauss and anyone with half a brain and half an understanding of what either person does can see through the bullshit. As for evolution, that one idiotic comment easily shows how retarded you are.
lvl70shampally 1 year ago
@lvl70shampally Wow ! is that all you got is personal attacks and euphemisms that only exploit your uncontrolled and undisciplined mind? Without any further evidence on top of your comments, I highly recommend you see some one about your anger management, or lack thereof. Let me try to get a clue to you. This guy in the Vid, is not interested in "Particle Physics". He is only interested in destroying the opinions, the facts, and the display of another view.. Got it.. ? I doubt you do.
jfitguru 1 year ago
@jfitguru Well I intended to ignore this due to the fact that you were unable to hold and back up your point that a brain surgeon could possibly debate a particle physicist and even with this response you have been unable to do so. Not only do you try to move even more off topic by doing the same personal attacks on me that you accuse me of, but you now trying to justify previous statements by talking about how Lawrence isnt interest in particle physics. In the future i suggest you use
lvl70shampally 1 year ago
@jfitguru wikipedia to come up with a good argument instead of using it to find big words to try to make yourself look more intelligent and to cover up the fact that you cannot even support your starting statement. And no evolution does not state that you can squeeze blood from a rock, nor does it have anything to do with rocks, so yes, in that sense your comment on it shows how ignorant you are to the subject.
lvl70shampally 1 year ago
@lvl70shampally So let me get this straight, A PARTICLE PHYSICIST can comment on and charge against theology and the perspective of Creation, But a "BRAIN" Surgeon Can't. Well for a NON Physicist and Non theologian YOU seem to broadcast your views w/out restraint.! Sounds to me Like some one CAN be capable of having involment of more than Just one subject. And Yes Evolution says you can get blood from a rock. How else did the single cell arrive in your Cartoon World?
jfitguru 1 year ago
@jfitguru On the subject in the video which is young earth creation, yes a particle physicist would have more knowledge on the subject than a brain surgeon for reason you wouldn't understand because you've never taken a course in either particle physics or just a regular physics class, I'v done both. As for evolution, again you show your stupidity. Evolution shows how life diversified after it already existed. What you are referencing is abiogenesis. And no that still does not claim that
lvl70shampally 1 year ago
@jfitguru you can get life from a rock. It tells how life can arise from nothing more than organic molecules. Again you should use wikipedia for more than just looking up big words, like looking up the definition of words you want to mindlessly throw around without thinking.
lvl70shampally 1 year ago
@lvl70shampally Maybe you need to go back to physics. I dont think it sank in.. Anyway You dont know me so dont start making accusations about my experiences, it just exposes your inability to debate. The reason I say this is, I spent 10 years in particle and wave theory in the Navy. Wave propogation was our realm of work. You cant get or do that without a stron background in Physics. And so with much collegiate work and 2 solid years of studies we began another 2 in sig theory. Btw its theory.
jfitguru 1 year ago
@lvl70shampally You have many evolutionist scientists who see that organic life began AFTER or on the back of Crystals. You want me to name them? And thanks about the tip with wikipedia.. I might try that. However you also should beg the question, "where did the Organic Life Come from" as well. You evolutionists have alot to answer that you just FLAT OUT CANT ANSWER.. AND I admit, We creationist Cant either.. But I know we came from intelligence, where you imply, we did not.
jfitguru 1 year ago