Vivaldi-Orlando Furioso "Sol da te..." aria di Orlando-Jaroussky-Spinosi-Ensemble Matheus

[perles75]

I'm italian, and I can state that his italian is not perfect (I guess he will never get rid of those few mannerisms) but definitely very good; and he doesn't absolutely sound like someone who doesn't understand what is singing.

By the way, this is not the best rendition of this aria that I heard, even by the same couple Jaroussky-Spinozi. The one of the upcoming DVD is definitely superior.

[serenaluce]

@perles75 Oh,come on,please don't say that PJ's Italian is very good. Do you hate your bel parlar gentile that you refuse to hear that he just can't pronounce Italian sounds "e" which ALWAYS becomes "i"and "o" which is always "u"?Actually,if PJ's singing is appealing to you it will just forgive him"few mannerisms"But there's a difference when a singer tries but can't pronouce properly and when in PJ's case he just doesn't give a rat's ass and knows that he is paid ONLYfor his sweet empty trills!

[78fufluns]

Ma di che cosa parlate, il suo italiano é splendido!! Proprio non ci credo, ci sono tantisssimi cantanti che non sanno nulla della lingua che usano...

[serenaluce]

@78fufluns Il suo italiano e' splendido! "Sol da te mia dolcI amorI, guesto corI avra' pacI, avra cotentu..." LOL Sorry, but I have Italian blood too, and my Italian ears are just bleeding listening to what this overpromoted mediocre POP singer does with "bel parlar gentile"! Perhaps you can help PJ with HIS Italian? LOL I don't hate anybody, but there's a fierce competition in the musical world. Oscar Wilde said:"To be popular one must be a mediocrity". It's about PJ.He is a POPULAR trend!

[MrFpam]

@serenaluce Pavarotti was very popular. Domingo is popular. Being popular doesn't automatically make one less good. Fritz Wunderlich was very popular before he died so tragically young! You are certainly swimming frantically (and pointlessly) against the tide of opinion, and not just popular opinion! Jaroussky sings with top conductors and top ensembles. This is not just all due to publicity or "overpromotion".

[serenaluce]

@MrFpam Oh,come on,what you say is just demagogy.At least decent Italian is a MUST in the operatic world.Street sellers of pies also speak several languages,and it's enough for understanding,but not enough for opera singer!Wunderlich never was that POPULAR as Pavarotti and Domingo who achieved the main POPULARITY by their POPULAR concerts pleasing the crowd and not opera roles.But at least they are all real TENORS.Bocelli is a POP TENOR, also works with the best conductors as it's MARKET like PJ

[MrFpam]

@serenaluce What extraordinary cheek to accuse me of demagogy after all your endless tirades against Jaroussky and anyone who tries to defend him. I am not italian although I speak a bit, but I do notice that italians are quite happy with Jaroussky's pronunciation. You are clutching at straws, desperately trying to find more negative tthings you can say about him. The method of reaching popularity is irrelevant, the point is that it doesn't necessarily negate quality! I have he

[MrFpam]

@MrFpam I have heard Jaroussky in person in concerts here, and like everyone else was most impressed. I am a trained musician/ conductor and have been attending concerts for over 50 years (including countertenors).

Why can't you just forget it and let other people enjoy Jaroussky? Arguing about personal taste is quite fruitless and pointless!

[MrFpam]

@serenaluce The previous comments were meant to be addressed to you (not back to myself)!

[serenaluce]

@MrFpam Dear,I don't care who you are on YT.You can be Vivaldi himself! LOL But do you know anything about freedom of expression?Why is it OK to criticicize anybody else, say what is pop,but only not to touch the pretty cute head of your baby PJ?!Is it tabou?!There's NO artist in the world whom absolutely EVERYBODY loves!If you are a conductor yourself,some will admire you and some will say that what you do is a total crap.Artists are public figures.PJ with all PROMOTION needs to be defended?LOL

[papillon38510]

Ma puce t'es là??????

[carolineleiden]

About language: mouthing words AND still getting the sounds exactly right is the hardest thing there is. Sometimes you simply cannot have both. Sound is more important than words, so a little smuggling is forgivable, I think.

Besides, only born Italiands can hear the difference anyway. :)

(Jarroussky speaks five languages, including Italian, by the way. )

[zzzzzzzzzzzzzzt]

Can we shift this discussion to how great the flutist is?

[nekozune]

although i'm not an italian, but at some point, i think i agree with serenaluce. maybe Philippe Jaroussky needs to learn italian language or something before making himself a singing parrot. sorry for my english. peace.

[MrFpam]

@nekozune He speaks several languages and is certainly not a singing parrot! He knows what he is singing about!

[leetha109]

@serenaluce

You too busy to cheak on PJ's music, You must be big fun of PJ ^^

[Nemorino80]

Malgrado alcuni i commenti negativi nel complesso è stata una bella esecuzione....l'italiano non è così cattivo, certo nell'esecuzione fatta al Théâtre des Champs-Elysées di Parigi ha sicuramente migliorato la pronuncia....resta opinabile la sua interpretazione, molto più indicata quella di N.Spanos, più intimistica e non sdolcinata ma comunque è sempre piacere ascoltare Jaroussky , ha degli armonici stupendi ed il suo colore naturale è indicatissimo per il repertorio barocco.....

[serenaluce]

@Nemorino80 OK, tastes really differ, and it's all "opinabile" whose version is the best, but how can you say that this pretended boy for ever who doesn't want to mature because this image is so popular among so called "desperate housewives" with his false "innocent" eyes and false emotions sings "non sdolcinata" and Spanos in the manly manner as a MATURE MAN in love which he's supposed to be in this role is mincing? How can you as a supposedly native Italian not hear his awful pronounciation?

[serenaluce]

@Nemorino80 Why just lie to defend PJ?! I'm not a native Italian but who has some Italian blood and who speaks Italian can hear this awful "Sol da te mia dolcI amorI questU corI avra' pacI, avra' confortU, ...belli, stelli" and you can't hear it and say that his Italian isn't that bad?! Why are Italians so obnoxious with true artists like Kowalski, Scholl,even Cencic and don't want to hear this overpromoted pop falsettist's not being pronounsed sounds "e" and "o". And it hasn't improved in years

[Nemorino80]

@serenaluce Is not true that in Italy you do not appreciate singers like Scholl, indeed it is one of my favorites, the most we can say that there is such a great knowledge of this repertoire of voices and for which I am one of the first to be disappointed ...

[serenaluce]

@Nemorino80 You say that PJ's voice suits to baroque repertoire. But how much do you know about baroque at all? This role was written for castrati, though at that time falsettists like PJ now also existed who sang in the same FLAT voice like him without any depth for the quite opposite purpose - not to show a MANLY man with all range of HUMAN emotions like CASTRATI and all 3 well-develloped registers but sang only on high notes to show their sexual ambiguity, to pretend they are women, "angels"

[Nemorino80]

@serenaluce We can not know precisely how to sing the alto castrato, in the first performance in 1727 was the role entrusted to Giovanni Andrea Vivaldi rates, with no way to compare the items with the modern countertenor prefer to refrain from the trial.To As regards P J. the fact that he may have had some defaiance in this piece in my opinion is compensated by a good pitch and a pleasant timbre. I agree with the criticism made by her regarding the expressiveness that is often too artificial.

[serenaluce]

@Nemorino80 I don't claim that I know how castrati sounded. I'm in my right mind:-). But we have some information how they looked like and what impression they made on people, and also what hystorical FALSETTISTS presented. Great castrati became a legend not because they just produced sweet but empty, weak, detached from any image SOUNDS like falsettists a la PJ now but because they sounded ANGELIC but expressed HUMAN emotions! They were strong men with great BREATH control and BROAD CHEST...

[serenaluce]

@Nemorino80 Men were not castrated just to sing in a pleasing manner on HIGH NOTES. It's for FALSETTISTS. Castrati had DEPTH and a hugh RANGE. PJ is a typical FALSETTIST and has no depth and strength for real vocal acrobatic for express REAL EMOTIONS which nowadays TRUE COUNTERTENORS can do who are the closest substitute to castrati and they use TECHNIQUE instead of castration for DEPTH of interpretation. And we can hear and compare them with this pop singer PJ, and see how SHALLOW he is!

[serenaluce]

@Nemorino80 You can like his timbre but admit that he is a POP singer interpreting classical stuff. As for good pitch, it's again all POP style, and his trills especially in the 3d part are all OFF PITCH from the academic point of view as he just produces high pitched SUGARY TRILLS and nothing else! Where can you hear any real MANLY emotions, if it's just a sexless singing as true falsettists intend to do?I only said that Italians hear flaws in Scholl's pronounciation but so forgiving to PJ!Why?

[starbreez3]

@Nemorino80 Good pitch? He just wanted to change to higher pitch to try to impress people who never or barely listened to a real countertenor before. He's nothing but a falsetist.

[tuttoonulla]

Sol da te mio dolce amore questo core avra pace avra conforto

Le tue vaghe luci belle son le stelle onde amor mi guida in porto.

[leetha109]

I love PJ!! This is most best live !!

[cioccolateria]

Serenaluce simply hates Jaroussky because his Italian isn't perfect. Jaroussky's pronunciation is the ONLY reason why Serena fills the Internet with her fanaticism, with the irrational speeches about "parodies of baroque" and "sweet, empty sounds". In case you haven't notice - Serena is the only one in the world who "has ears", so she feels forced to start a CRUSADE.

[serenaluce]

@cioccolateria I see that you are just a coward if you don't have courage to reply to me personally as in any case it's only exchange of OPINIONS on YT and not filling the Internet with "fanaticism" and appeal to the whole world for help. What CRUSADE you mean? Get real! Take a cold shower before writing all this nonsense!There are a lot of people with ears but they just prefer not to write TRUTH about this POP singer using hidden mike to emplify his weak voice not to deal with FANATICS like YOU

[starbreez3]

@cioccolateria Haha, I loved your comment, but dear, listen to this... He made so many mistakes in this aria, he sounded terrible. PJ is a cheap singer, he's just boasted by media, that's all. I have heard so many other good countertenors. Why now he has to try to sing in Soprano range? He has been training to get a higher range, and it sucks... have you heard him nowadays? He just sounds more and more ridiculous.

[MrFpam]

@starbreez3 You are almost as bad and as sad as serenaluce. You must be terribly jealous of his success! I wonder how well you sing this aria?You seem to know it very well!

[0hmaryk]

@cioccolateria serenaluce hates Jaroussky because apparently he doesn't have a broad enough chest! And instead of listening to (or rather, watching) what she loves, she spends hours commenting on every existing video of Jaroussky - just to say how much she hates him. I wonder about some people.

[marykathia]

@0hmaryk Well Jaroussky is just a human he can have mistakes, he have a goood voce, and well i dont think the t he is countertenor, he is more a sopranist. He make this right, thats why he is on the stage, with than kind of musicans.

[tamerlano236]

Great aria. The best version of Sol da te on YT is Nicholas Spanos's.

[marykathia]

@serenaluce SO I THINK THAT YOU CAN DO IT BETTER NO?......SHOW US URE TALENT........U RIGHT OF JUNDGE THIS SINGER...OF COURSE U ARE BETTER.

[serenaluce]

@marykathia You, "rosy in love with PJ", typing the whole comment in CAPITAL LETTERS shows your highest degree of AGITATION! Calm down first. If you like PJ and Tatu it shows who YOU are! Add Vitas to your favourites! I'm as a Russian advise you. Think with your head how showing somebody else's TALENT can prove that PJ's Italian DOESN'T suck and that he DOESN'T make musical parodies on baroque and DOESN'T produce sweet empty sounds without any soul? This guy is just a FALSETTIST, not a CT dear!

[marykathia]

@serenaluce I like tatu and so what. Im lyric soprano, i play the piano and im a harpsichorder......Im not in love with Jarouskky, i just see a good talent.

TELL ME WHO YOU ARE TO JUDGE THE PEOPLE, AND SAY THAT KIND OF THINGS

[marykathia]

@serenaluce maybe the musical eucation dont matter for you.....But 4 me is important couse IM A MUSICAN.... IM NOT GONNA WASTE MY TIME AGAIN WITH YOU....

[WolterSeuntjens]

Sol da te, mio dolce amore, questo core

avrà pace, avrà conforto.

Le tue vaghe luci belle son le stelle

onde Amor mi guida in porto.

Nur von Dir, meine süße Liebe, wird dieses Herz

Ruhe haben, wird diese Herz Trost finden.

Deine schöne süße Augen sind die Sterne

mit denen die Liebe mir in den Hafen leiten.