Germany systematically uses torture and murder to silence any opposition. Some of the murders known to the public: Uwe Barschel, Jürgen Möllemann, Heiner Gehring, Martina Pflock, Tron, Karl Koch, Bernd Seiffert, Kirsten Heisig, Fritz Bauer.
My brother Markus Bott had been tortured during 5.5 years by the German BND. He was assassinated on 11.7.09 because of our homepage.
German snitchers are following me on youtube and immediately flag my postings
Well, as terrible as this is. I'll admit to being relieved. So far the play isn't nearly as dark of graphically violent as the original.
By the way,
@AuburnSnow I wouldn't say that Frollo sits well with me in the book. Maybe he does care in a twisted way, but he allows her to be tortured & goes out of his way to have her killed. He really is a monster from this point on. I suppose the play leaves out the psychology that makes this part interesting.
@Amy3422 Oddly enough, I disagree. I sympathized greatly with Frollo throughout the entire book. Aside from Paquette, I think his part in the story was the most devastatingly tragic. He is introduced as a serious priest who thirsts for knowledge, but has an almost warm and nurturing aspect to his personality too. His desire for Esmeralda is what completely uproots his good nature. I do believe that aside from the obvious passionate lust, Frollo did feel actual love for Esmeralda in his own way.
@AuburnSnow Haha. I also sympathized with him initially, but I put that down to Hugo's portrayal of the character, which shows so many different sides of him. Really, at the beginning, he's pretty admirable! Still, I'm not sure what his definition of 'love' is, because it seems incredibly twisted. He's a good character. Even so, the fact that he's tragic doesn't mean he isn't a sadist and a murderer.
@Amy3422 Too true, Hugo spent a lot of time with character detail! I got the impression that Frollo felt actual love for Esmeralda because some of what he does and says regarding her go way beyond lust or jealousy in my mind; I'm tempted to write an in-depth analysis of his character to better explain my stance. I think that his moments of sadism weren't performed out of ill will, but as a by-product of him not understanding how to cope with feeling desire for a woman, which led to his madness.
@AuburnSnow Now, I'm curious. What do you think makes his 'love' genuine? My own view is that he felt a combination of extreme attraction and fascination, superstition and xenophobia. It isn't surprising that he his feelings became so confused, after his cold upbringing. Some of what he says is certainly very moving, but can sadism ever come out of a good will?
@Amy3422 I think that he feels all of that which you just described and also love, but the love is choked by all of the other negative aspects of the combination, which allowed for him to torment Esmeralda as long as it wasn't by his own hand. It's hard to explain the parts that I felt were him speaking/acting out of love within the constraints of a youtube comment, though. This is why I feel like I need to write an essay about this, lol.
I love the way Daniel Lavoie sings this song, but this scene doesn't sit well with me. In the book, Frollo had no idea that Esmeralda would be tortured, and he was agonized when they put her foot in the vice- so much so that he stabbed himself amidst the torment of seeing Esmeralda in pain. And yet here in this play, he not only calmly watches Esmeralda being tortured, he's the one who is ORDERING it to be done. I wish it was different, because in the book, it showed that Frollo really did care.
ok Daniel Lavoie has the most beautiful ,sexy voice ever and at the end (from around minute 1:00 and especially the last thing he says around 1:06 to the end) he sounds even sexier . Thank God he became a musician . I also think he was a great Frollo,full of clear yet also pent up,repressed emotion,his features are very expressive
Haha Esmeralda's best parts in this musical are when she's in a scene with Frollo and in one of Quasimodo's songs otherwise her character is pretty boring on stage.
German snitchers are following me on youtube immediately flagging my posts.
My brother Markus Bott had been tortured and was assassinated by the German BND which is the renamed GESTAPO. Germany is exactly the NAZI state as it is seen by many people. That is even evident from the fact that no criticism is allowed by German snitchers.
Check out my channel and homepage on the technologies used by the German secret services.
@SirLaertes Remember, she is being led there to die. She has a noose around her neck and will be dressed in ragged clothing. Being barefoot just adds to the emotion of her death, it makes her seem more in the moment
@SirLaertes No problem! Well, thinking that she is gypsy and probably walked barefoot before, it´s nothing, but I think the whole "only chemise and not even shoes" thing was meant to be humiliating.
Every day a little death, In the parlor, in the bed, In the curtains, in the silver, In the buttons, in the bread. Every day a little sting In the heart and in the head. Every move and every breath, And you hardly feel a thing, Brings a perfect little death. La petite mort, French for "the little death", is a metaphor for orgasm. More widely, it can refer to the spiritual release that comes with orgasm, or a short period of melancholy or transcendence, etc...DER KLEINE TOD-ORGASMUS
@TheFaustianMan It wasn't really a confession. It was a false confession under pain of torture. In the original story, they were crushing her foot in a device called "the Iron Boot". Sometimes if the victim didn't confess they would crush the foot till it was nothing but shattered bone, rendering the foot permanately useless.
@EmilyGreene1984 Hi, thanks for the info. I guess that's what made the "confession" so easy. Kinda of like how water-boarding works today. Thanks for clearing that up.
@TheFaustianMan Well not exactly - given the fact we know Esmeralda was truly innocent. As for the waterboarding, sometimes it IS effective from rendering a true confession from someone, who otherwise refuses to confess to a crime.
@EmilyGreene1984 You're fully right. Well, besides the fact that if she's going to die anyway, she won't need very much her foot XD (I'm kidding, torture is obviously horrible)
@TheFaustianMan The Disney version and this one as well both have their merits. Hellfire is, in my opinion, the best Disney song ever, but the Disney version doesn't convey just how tough Clopin and the gypsies are and it makes Frollo a one-dimensional character. Of course, it is for kids, so the watering down may be somewhat debatable, but I still felt that Clopin's character was not done justice in the Disney version.
Also, many leaders in the Catholic Church as well as the government, were corrupt at that time. Therefore Frollo could stand as a symbol of that corruption, to help the reader (or listener) understand in a more personal way, the terrors and depravity of that period.
It is a story set in the early 16th century, I think, though it could be the 15th. But the point is: it is a story invented in the 19th century. Not factual reality.
It takes place in 1482, the end of the 15th century. The story, of course, was written in the 1800's, but Hugo, an adamant lover of history, wrote the story quite eloquently to demonstrate the issues of the times--even to parody them. Obviously, it is not a factual reality--the historical background of the story however is very accurate.
Unfourtunatley that's true. Hugo goes into a very detalied depth of Paris at the time. From the buildings to the very cracks of the walls and streets of Paris. Some of it was really boring and unnecessary, but it turned out helpful throughout the book (:
BUT at the same time, she denies quasimodo who truely loves her, &nearly givesherself to that two-faced womanizer, pheobus. Frollo we also can show sympathy for, because at the beginning he was a wholely good man. He loved his brother & Quasimodo and stayed far fromwomen. Even as he turns to evil we still sypathize w/ him bcause we see hispain, his troubles,stuggles & pity his lack of love. Its ultimately his obsession w/ fate that is his downfall. Hedenies his own free will & allows his demise
None of the characters in that story were purely evil. Hugo gives us a reason to sypathize for each one, evil the ones with the harshest of deeds. And, I personally never hated any of them. At the same time, however, none of them are puely innocent or genuinely 'good' either. Just as real humans, they all have their faults. For ex.- we feel bad for Esmeralda because she is chased by a diabolical priest, cheated on by her supposed 'true love' whom sh'd do anything for, and dies for no good reason
As well as to that, being a Roman Catholic priest doesn't make him holy. In fact, in many cultures nowadays (even Victor Hugo noted) there is corruption rampant in that religion and numerous priests, of their own choice, sin.
Bottom line, Claude Frollo chose to try to kill Phoebus - Esmeralda didn't ask nor tempt him to do that. Claude Frollo chose to have Esmeralda arrested on the lie that she practiced witchcraft (when she clearly did not) and personally oversaw her having her feet crushed; he chose to almost rape her (when all she was doing was resting), and ultimately, he chose to have her killed, when she refused him. If she was a daughter of Hell, she would have done all that he asked or did - but she didn't.
In the book, he didn't order her torture; as a matter of fact, every time she screamed, he stabbed himself for the agony he felt that she was being hurt by his hand.
Uh, MEbabyface? What would your reaction be if a random, old priest nearly raped you, constantly harassed you, followed you around and forced you to hide away in a cathedral to avoid being hanged if you chose not to comply with his wishes? I don't many would fall in love with that behavior very easily.
I agree with you regarding Gringoire, though. Ya gotta love the guy. XD
This comment has received too many negative votesshow
lol, why would she care? She is mainly attracted by good looking men (Like most fools today are).
However, in the musical, she is not that stupid (I notice). In the novel, she is such a DAUGHTER OF HELL! She deserved to die (perhaps it taught her a lesson).
i agree with u that she was not very smart(even aristocratic women could hardly read that days), but i can't say she was a daughter of hell.. why'd u think so? i think she was the purest girl in the book. if we compare Esme and Fleur then Fleur-de-lys is a fake doll to me..
PS i think the only man who deserved death in the novel was phoebus.
She was not a daughter of Hell and she didn't deserve to die. She was shallow and stupid, but she was not heartless and evil like Claude Frollo, who truly was a servant of Hell. His death at the end of the novel was bringing him to justice.
Claude Frollo attempted murder on Phoebus and let Esmeralda take the fall for his actions, just as Phoebus did. Not only that, but he lied to the courts saying that she was guilty and had committed sorcery, when she had done no such thing. She was essentially an innocent woman wrongly accused of murder.
He tried to kill Phoebus, he denied Esmeralda's innocence, he tortured her, threatened to rape her.. that's not the sign of a good or tortured man. He even laughed as she hung. Quasimodo gave him exactly what he deserved.
That's a ridiculious reason. Esmeralda could not help the fact she was kidnapped and raised to think and behave like a gypsy - in fact, she was relieved when she found her birth mother Gudule. The way she was dressed had nothing to do with Frollo's actions and he could have easily practiced better judgement like everyone else, but instead, he chose to give into his passions and went overboard and not only that - but delving into alchemy amoung other things messed him up in the mind further.
I agree that she did not deserve her punishment; she was as you said, shallow & perhaps a bit stupid though. -shortsighted maybe, blinded by love. But at the same time, frollo was in a similar situation. blinded by his passions. and he hindered himself from salvation bcause he felt that it was his fate and he could do nothing.
Its because she was a gypsy - which in of itself is not her own fault. (SPOILER) Esmeralda was not born a gypsy, but she was raised with them and that, in of itself, marked her in many of the clergies eyes as "evil" and "corrupt". It also did not help her case that she was, essentially, caught about to make love to Phoebus at a whore house.
Nella versione italiana Esmeralda urla, la si sente chiaramente mentre Frollo dice "Stringete..."... Lola è molto + espressiva, fa vedere e sentire la sofferenza... Helene che sta facendo? Un massaggio rassodante al piede? Ma x favore! W l'Italia, e w Riccardo, non "Richard" Cocciante!
Sì, ma attenzione a non essere ottusi come i cugini d'oltralpe che non ci ascoltano proprio.. La Sedara ha una voce pazzesca. Diciamo che lei e la ponce si compensano su diversi piani.
I don't feel sorry for Esmeralda while I watch this version, because she just doesn't seem tortured... she seems everything but not tortured. maybe just a weird dame.
This whole stage version was done from an abstract point of view, obviously they could not replicate the entire scenes of the story. It would be too costly.
I don't think 61monica was referring to the actual stage tool. I think she (Monica?) was referring to the fact that Esmeralda's expression did not look tortured. With a lack of equipment, the job of an actor/actress is to portray the reaction to the object as if it were there. Unfortunately, she did not look tortured at all. She looked like she stubbed her toe.
Well the problem with a show like this - you don't want to overact - like the Italian Esmeralda did. This show isn't really a musical as such, its more like a rock opera/concert.
Yeah canneddice, I meant exactly that she didn't seem tortured because of her expression. Because they had the tools and the music to create the right atmosphere of the torture, but (God knows why) she didn't make a terrified face. I mean, Helene is a woman, but her character is a lil' girl who makes her very first meeting with pain.
Sono abituata a vedere l'Esmeralda di Lola che soffre durante la tortura, non so se Hèléne volesse rappresentare un personaggio più coraggioso o con meno sensibilità al dolore... però proprio non riesco a farmela piacere. Peccato...
Invece devo dire che in questa scena Daniel mi convince parecchio...
hai ragione....lui è mlt piu simile al libro...k quasi nn si fa vedere....mentre lei pare k sta in una beauty farm...nel libro lei urla cm una pazza...cm farebbe una di 16 anni appunto....lei nn mi cnvince x nnt..mah...
Décidemment, les performances de Daniel Lavoie dans le procès et la torture sont grandioses. On n'arrive pas du tout à reconnaître Daniel Lavoie avec cette voix sinistre et froide! Et cette façon de cacher son visage c'est génial aussi, très funèbre.
I think that's part of the character of Frollo. He is meant to be seen (by the people of Paris) as a figure of integrity and good moral and compassion.
oddioooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.. raga ma dite vero? vi piace sta cosa?? è una negliaaaaaaa... la ponce è molto meglio.. qst sta ferma è come se fosse scontato di essere torturata.. w notre dame in italiano! sta helene non sa recitare!
ellxandra c un "brodequin" une machine qui va du pied jusqu'au genoux et qui broie la jambes. Je sais c'est pas glorieux mais c'est ce qui est marqué dans le livre de Victor Hugo. En espérant avoir répondu à ta question...
Because as it now, it doesn't look like she was tortured at all. Yes, I know he says that they're going to torture her and the other guys move the boot into position, but then nothing happens. She looks aboout as distressed as someone who can't get the type of salad dressing she wanted.
I realize that it's an opera, not a realistic re-enactment, but she doesn't even ask for mercy. It looks more like they just threaten her and she instantly gives in.
In the original novel, she at first does not confess but with the Iron boot (which was the device that they put her foot in), they slowly crushed her foot till she confessed out of agony. It was a form of torture used to get people to confess to crimes, regardless if they were innocent or not. Those that, miraculously, would hold out until the end would end up being unable to use their foot ever again - in some cases the foot would have been literally flattened.
You people are all sick, sex depraved people. This was was a kind of torture back then, that crushed your foot. And still, all you think about are your fetishes. Good luck understanding anything else.
That sucked I hated it well I liked it but not enough torture u need more torture
keshalovers11 2 days ago
THAT WAS TORTURE ? I WOULD HAVE CUT HER NUTS OFF !
HEARTHEANGELSVOICES 1 month ago
its a trailer of a BDSM movie ? :)
oED209o 3 months ago
12-13 dildo!!
bfflJKwryw 3 months ago
Germany systematically uses torture and murder to silence any opposition. Some of the murders known to the public: Uwe Barschel, Jürgen Möllemann, Heiner Gehring, Martina Pflock, Tron, Karl Koch, Bernd Seiffert, Kirsten Heisig, Fritz Bauer.
My brother Markus Bott had been tortured during 5.5 years by the German BND. He was assassinated on 11.7.09 because of our homepage.
German snitchers are following me on youtube and immediately flag my postings
wwwtotalitaerde 4 months ago
Damn Gipsy girl
thegiant1 4 months ago
I heard Dildo
0bopp0 5 months ago 5
Damn, they should torture her more.
gurujee666999 6 months ago
@gurujee666999 No Esmeralda was not bad...
barboanais 3 weeks ago
elle me donne la chair de poule
lasimpadicilabas 7 months ago
wow, she was a tough nut to crack...
WonderWoman200290 7 months ago 5
lol the guy singing looks like darth sidous XD
XSuperNinjaExtremeX 8 months ago
C'est deguelase ce qu'il fait tout ca parce que il en est tomber amoureux !!!
marielols 8 months ago
" Si elle endure, c'est qu'elle est dure d'opinion."
En fait, avec lui, elle est forcément coupable, elle ne peut pas être innocente et ne pas faire de faux témoignage...
roselotus95 9 months ago in playlist Notre Dame de Paris comédie musicale pour valérie
Comment removed
Amy3422 10 months ago
Well, as terrible as this is. I'll admit to being relieved. So far the play isn't nearly as dark of graphically violent as the original.
By the way,
@AuburnSnow I wouldn't say that Frollo sits well with me in the book. Maybe he does care in a twisted way, but he allows her to be tortured & goes out of his way to have her killed. He really is a monster from this point on. I suppose the play leaves out the psychology that makes this part interesting.
Amy3422 10 months ago
@Amy3422 Oddly enough, I disagree. I sympathized greatly with Frollo throughout the entire book. Aside from Paquette, I think his part in the story was the most devastatingly tragic. He is introduced as a serious priest who thirsts for knowledge, but has an almost warm and nurturing aspect to his personality too. His desire for Esmeralda is what completely uproots his good nature. I do believe that aside from the obvious passionate lust, Frollo did feel actual love for Esmeralda in his own way.
AuburnSnow 10 months ago
@AuburnSnow Haha. I also sympathized with him initially, but I put that down to Hugo's portrayal of the character, which shows so many different sides of him. Really, at the beginning, he's pretty admirable! Still, I'm not sure what his definition of 'love' is, because it seems incredibly twisted. He's a good character. Even so, the fact that he's tragic doesn't mean he isn't a sadist and a murderer.
Amy3422 10 months ago
@Amy3422 Too true, Hugo spent a lot of time with character detail! I got the impression that Frollo felt actual love for Esmeralda because some of what he does and says regarding her go way beyond lust or jealousy in my mind; I'm tempted to write an in-depth analysis of his character to better explain my stance. I think that his moments of sadism weren't performed out of ill will, but as a by-product of him not understanding how to cope with feeling desire for a woman, which led to his madness.
AuburnSnow 10 months ago
@AuburnSnow Now, I'm curious. What do you think makes his 'love' genuine? My own view is that he felt a combination of extreme attraction and fascination, superstition and xenophobia. It isn't surprising that he his feelings became so confused, after his cold upbringing. Some of what he says is certainly very moving, but can sadism ever come out of a good will?
Amy3422 9 months ago
@Amy3422 I think that he feels all of that which you just described and also love, but the love is choked by all of the other negative aspects of the combination, which allowed for him to torment Esmeralda as long as it wasn't by his own hand. It's hard to explain the parts that I felt were him speaking/acting out of love within the constraints of a youtube comment, though. This is why I feel like I need to write an essay about this, lol.
AuburnSnow 9 months ago
I love the way Daniel Lavoie sings this song, but this scene doesn't sit well with me. In the book, Frollo had no idea that Esmeralda would be tortured, and he was agonized when they put her foot in the vice- so much so that he stabbed himself amidst the torment of seeing Esmeralda in pain. And yet here in this play, he not only calmly watches Esmeralda being tortured, he's the one who is ORDERING it to be done. I wish it was different, because in the book, it showed that Frollo really did care.
AuburnSnow 10 months ago 2
@Jaysonaar haha ikr
RainbowDinoRapist 10 months ago
tutti frutti
isobodari1 1 year ago
She's hot.
Samnutter3212 1 year ago
The old priest looks retarded
mushuable 1 year ago
je pense qu'il a oublié les paroles à 0.29 ,mais il reste le meilleur
sninapausini 1 year ago
@sninapausini Non, il n'a rien oublié le spectacle est ainsi...
Loubna59 1 year ago
ok Daniel Lavoie has the most beautiful ,sexy voice ever and at the end (from around minute 1:00 and especially the last thing he says around 1:06 to the end) he sounds even sexier . Thank God he became a musician . I also think he was a great Frollo,full of clear yet also pent up,repressed emotion,his features are very expressive
Haha Esmeralda's best parts in this musical are when she's in a scene with Frollo and in one of Quasimodo's songs otherwise her character is pretty boring on stage.
entity22 1 year ago 8
This has been flagged as spam show
German snitchers are following me on youtube immediately flagging my posts.
My brother Markus Bott had been tortured and was assassinated by the German BND which is the renamed GESTAPO. Germany is exactly the NAZI state as it is seen by many people. That is even evident from the fact that no criticism is allowed by German snitchers.
Check out my channel and homepage on the technologies used by the German secret services.
Martin Bott
wwwtotalitaerde 1 year ago
@wwwtotalitaerde Nobody really cares. This is a Notre-Dame de Paris video commenting space, not a confession board.
rainbowheydrich 10 months ago
molto bello grazie
gianka9574 1 year ago
most torturous torture ever.
theshorteststrw 1 year ago
Why is it that she is taken barefoot to the Place de Greve? Why barefoot?
SirLaertes 1 year ago 3
@SirLaertes I think it was meant to be humiliating.
PlusSizeAngel 1 year ago
@PlusSizeAngel what would be humiliating about it? thanls for your response.
SirLaertes 1 year ago
@SirLaertes Remember, she is being led there to die. She has a noose around her neck and will be dressed in ragged clothing. Being barefoot just adds to the emotion of her death, it makes her seem more in the moment
Sens111915 1 year ago
@SirLaertes No problem! Well, thinking that she is gypsy and probably walked barefoot before, it´s nothing, but I think the whole "only chemise and not even shoes" thing was meant to be humiliating.
PlusSizeAngel 1 year ago
you could tell this is as show they have the microphones on their mouthes
TheDgrinev 1 year ago
MAGNIFIQUE !!
choupiandladycool 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Mann1979HH 1 year ago
Ahahahahah oh my God!!!!! go and see the Italian version that was beautiful! search LA TORTURA NOTRE DAME DE PARIS..
Unasuunmilione1 1 year ago
Boy, that was an easy confession. Frodo's job is pretty easy. I like it when he sings Hellfire better.
TheFaustianMan 1 year ago 3
@TheFaustianMan :3 puuuurrrrr
MadCapAithne 1 year ago
@TheFaustianMan It wasn't really a confession. It was a false confession under pain of torture. In the original story, they were crushing her foot in a device called "the Iron Boot". Sometimes if the victim didn't confess they would crush the foot till it was nothing but shattered bone, rendering the foot permanately useless.
EmilyGreene1984 1 year ago
@EmilyGreene1984 Hi, thanks for the info. I guess that's what made the "confession" so easy. Kinda of like how water-boarding works today. Thanks for clearing that up.
TheFaustianMan 1 year ago
@TheFaustianMan Well not exactly - given the fact we know Esmeralda was truly innocent. As for the waterboarding, sometimes it IS effective from rendering a true confession from someone, who otherwise refuses to confess to a crime.
EmilyGreene1984 1 year ago
@EmilyGreene1984
assuming anyone is innocent.
TheFaustianMan 1 year ago
@EmilyGreene1984 You're fully right. Well, besides the fact that if she's going to die anyway, she won't need very much her foot XD (I'm kidding, torture is obviously horrible)
LadyQGinny 1 year ago
@TheFaustianMan The Disney version and this one as well both have their merits. Hellfire is, in my opinion, the best Disney song ever, but the Disney version doesn't convey just how tough Clopin and the gypsies are and it makes Frollo a one-dimensional character. Of course, it is for kids, so the watering down may be somewhat debatable, but I still felt that Clopin's character was not done justice in the Disney version.
Ryoukawaii 9 months ago
@Ryoukawaii Very true. I agree with you.
TheFaustianMan 9 months ago
@Ryoukawaii hellfire is possibly the best song ive heard for a disney villain
it wasnt the best movie for kids, but they might've been counting on kids being too young to understand the concept of the dialogue
puffyluvr 9 months ago
that was fucked up o_o
archdevil1216 2 years ago 3
Son crime est d'aimer Phoebus ?
ChampSpinoza 1 year ago 5
@ChampSpinoza oui
maro331 1 year ago
FUCK!!! Sa fait un sacrée bout de temps!!!!!! O.O Faudrait que je m'y remette vite!! xDD
Kimmy974Fortnight 2 years ago 2
This has been flagged as spam show
they should have put a rat up her pussy and let it squirm around.. Let's return to the good ole days in the 16th Century
hotforjpn 2 years ago
C'est vraiment superbe que cette comédie musicale soit autant appréciée (et pas uniquement qu'en France) =)
cynthiazen1 2 years ago 5
Confession after one turn of the vice?
sbranson01 2 years ago
Questi attori hanno una bella voce ma non sanno cosa significa recitare..lei dovrebbe simulare almeno un pò di dolore!
Ilenia93ndp 2 years ago 2
verissimo, nella versione italiana fa venire la pelle d'oca :)
nonnaida 2 years ago 6
Also, many leaders in the Catholic Church as well as the government, were corrupt at that time. Therefore Frollo could stand as a symbol of that corruption, to help the reader (or listener) understand in a more personal way, the terrors and depravity of that period.
Indulgeindark394 2 years ago 5
It's a story from the 19th century!
mainsqueeze1977 2 years ago
Notre Dame de Paris takes place during the late 15th century....if that is what story you're talking about...
Indulgeindark394 2 years ago 2
It is a story set in the early 16th century, I think, though it could be the 15th. But the point is: it is a story invented in the 19th century. Not factual reality.
mainsqueeze1977 2 years ago
It takes place in 1482, the end of the 15th century. The story, of course, was written in the 1800's, but Hugo, an adamant lover of history, wrote the story quite eloquently to demonstrate the issues of the times--even to parody them. Obviously, it is not a factual reality--the historical background of the story however is very accurate.
Indulgeindark394 2 years ago 53
@Indulgeindark394
Unfourtunatley that's true. Hugo goes into a very detalied depth of Paris at the time. From the buildings to the very cracks of the walls and streets of Paris. Some of it was really boring and unnecessary, but it turned out helpful throughout the book (:
iluvrimmel 8 months ago
At that time, only ? O_O ? This still happens today !
Coletta100 2 years ago
Sure there's definitely random priests going around condemning people to death... yes, all the time...
Indulgeindark394 2 years ago
Il a la meme voix que Michel Sardou ! choquant ! Mais just pour ca j'aime beaucoup
giggilamour 2 years ago
BUT at the same time, she denies quasimodo who truely loves her, &nearly givesherself to that two-faced womanizer, pheobus. Frollo we also can show sympathy for, because at the beginning he was a wholely good man. He loved his brother & Quasimodo and stayed far fromwomen. Even as he turns to evil we still sypathize w/ him bcause we see hispain, his troubles,stuggles & pity his lack of love. Its ultimately his obsession w/ fate that is his downfall. Hedenies his own free will & allows his demise
Indulgeindark394 2 years ago
None of the characters in that story were purely evil. Hugo gives us a reason to sypathize for each one, evil the ones with the harshest of deeds. And, I personally never hated any of them. At the same time, however, none of them are puely innocent or genuinely 'good' either. Just as real humans, they all have their faults. For ex.- we feel bad for Esmeralda because she is chased by a diabolical priest, cheated on by her supposed 'true love' whom sh'd do anything for, and dies for no good reason
Indulgeindark394 2 years ago 5
Comment removed
EmilyGreene1984 2 years ago
As well as to that, being a Roman Catholic priest doesn't make him holy. In fact, in many cultures nowadays (even Victor Hugo noted) there is corruption rampant in that religion and numerous priests, of their own choice, sin.
EmilyGreene1984 2 years ago
Bottom line, Claude Frollo chose to try to kill Phoebus - Esmeralda didn't ask nor tempt him to do that. Claude Frollo chose to have Esmeralda arrested on the lie that she practiced witchcraft (when she clearly did not) and personally oversaw her having her feet crushed; he chose to almost rape her (when all she was doing was resting), and ultimately, he chose to have her killed, when she refused him. If she was a daughter of Hell, she would have done all that he asked or did - but she didn't.
EmilyGreene1984 2 years ago 2
In the book, he didn't order her torture; as a matter of fact, every time she screamed, he stabbed himself for the agony he felt that she was being hurt by his hand.
MagicalFenfen 2 years ago 3
By not confessing to his own crime, he did effectively have her blamed for the crime.
EmilyGreene1984 2 years ago
and the fact that frollo framed her so he could be like be with me and you live or else you die
Briguy275 2 years ago
esmeralda!!! OPEN UP ur eyes!!!! why do u need phoebus when u r surrounded by men like frollo and gringoire?!!!!!
silly,silly girl...
MEbabyface 2 years ago 7
you forgot that Quasimodo also am loving esmeralda, but she loves only Phoebus...
shamrock1585 2 years ago 2
i didn't forget that, i'm just trying to say that if i were esmeralda i would choose frollo or gringoire.
phoebus is a loser!! quasimodo, i don't think that Esme could fell in love with him... she could only treat him as a friend.. a very close friend..
but it's just my personal opinion..
MEbabyface 2 years ago
Uh, MEbabyface? What would your reaction be if a random, old priest nearly raped you, constantly harassed you, followed you around and forced you to hide away in a cathedral to avoid being hanged if you chose not to comply with his wishes? I don't many would fall in love with that behavior very easily.
I agree with you regarding Gringoire, though. Ya gotta love the guy. XD
ClassicNovel 2 years ago
uh
Except Frollo tried to rape her twice? What?
LuunnaGaia 2 years ago
twice?
becauseican01 2 years ago
From what I remember.
I haven't re-read the book in a little while, but I believe it was twice in the book...
LuunnaGaia 2 years ago
I thought it was only once, when she was in the cathedral and then she blew the whistle for Quasimodo...but I could be wrong.
becauseican01 2 years ago
Comment removed
MEbabyface 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
lol, why would she care? She is mainly attracted by good looking men (Like most fools today are).
However, in the musical, she is not that stupid (I notice). In the novel, she is such a DAUGHTER OF HELL! She deserved to die (perhaps it taught her a lesson).
longman718 2 years ago
i agree with u that she was not very smart(even aristocratic women could hardly read that days), but i can't say she was a daughter of hell.. why'd u think so? i think she was the purest girl in the book. if we compare Esme and Fleur then Fleur-de-lys is a fake doll to me..
PS i think the only man who deserved death in the novel was phoebus.
MEbabyface 2 years ago
Perhaps your right...Maybe she isnt so bad as Fleur.
And I DEFINETLY agree that Pheobus is the one that deserves death. He is the one who caused this trouble!
longman718 2 years ago
She was not a daughter of Hell and she didn't deserve to die. She was shallow and stupid, but she was not heartless and evil like Claude Frollo, who truly was a servant of Hell. His death at the end of the novel was bringing him to justice.
EmilyGreene1984 2 years ago
Claude Frollo attempted murder on Phoebus and let Esmeralda take the fall for his actions, just as Phoebus did. Not only that, but he lied to the courts saying that she was guilty and had committed sorcery, when she had done no such thing. She was essentially an innocent woman wrongly accused of murder.
EmilyGreene1984 2 years ago
Um...Frollo was not evil...
longman718 2 years ago
He tried to kill Phoebus, he denied Esmeralda's innocence, he tortured her, threatened to rape her.. that's not the sign of a good or tortured man. He even laughed as she hung. Quasimodo gave him exactly what he deserved.
EmilyGreene1984 2 years ago
That is because Esmeralda's sexuality ruined him. Turned him from a normal priest, into a cruel monster.
longman718 2 years ago
That's a ridiculious reason. Esmeralda could not help the fact she was kidnapped and raised to think and behave like a gypsy - in fact, she was relieved when she found her birth mother Gudule. The way she was dressed had nothing to do with Frollo's actions and he could have easily practiced better judgement like everyone else, but instead, he chose to give into his passions and went overboard and not only that - but delving into alchemy amoung other things messed him up in the mind further.
EmilyGreene1984 2 years ago 3
Well Frollo was not evil at the begining! He could have remind fine if Esmeralda did not come to Paris!
longman718 2 years ago
@longman718 - He becomes evil though through his fanatical repression, trying to pretend that he is justified in doing all those horrible things.
missbabyice 1 year ago
I agree that she did not deserve her punishment; she was as you said, shallow & perhaps a bit stupid though. -shortsighted maybe, blinded by love. But at the same time, frollo was in a similar situation. blinded by his passions. and he hindered himself from salvation bcause he felt that it was his fate and he could do nothing.
Indulgeindark394 2 years ago 31
Comment removed
EmilyGreene1984 2 years ago
Comment removed
MEbabyface 2 years ago
Was it gringoire? :S
nikkimaymay 2 years ago
she's hot don't kill her,give her to me.
Keepskatin 2 years ago
I'll take him,he'll forget her and then you can take her with no problems.
Deal?:)
desigb 2 years ago 2
Its because she was a gypsy - which in of itself is not her own fault. (SPOILER) Esmeralda was not born a gypsy, but she was raised with them and that, in of itself, marked her in many of the clergies eyes as "evil" and "corrupt". It also did not help her case that she was, essentially, caught about to make love to Phoebus at a whore house.
EmilyGreene1984 2 years ago
Alright, I just don't understand who stabbed Phoebus?
nikkimaymay 2 years ago
frollo in a jealous rage
colliedog29 2 years ago 2
mammamia helene nemmeno grida alla tortura
esmeraldina90 2 years ago 2
Is this how Cheney did it?
jgrab1 2 years ago 2
no,no. i'm not being offensive,but she did admit to being one. just kinda carrying on CarnisianLady's comment.
InsaneyPrincess 2 years ago
0:13 dildo
crock703 2 years ago
Oh wow, she is arrested for prositution. I'm trying not to laugh. But, I love all the characters and this play!
InsaneyPrincess 2 years ago 5
Why does the fact of Esme being accused of prostitution make you laugh? Not sarcastic, I just can't get why.
61MONICA 2 years ago
"Do you confess?"
"I am a stupid slut... I confess".
Um, is it so clear I can't stand Esmeralda?
CarnisianLady 3 years ago
She doesn't seem tortured, as I've said yet, but I love the wasy she says "Je l'aime! Je l'avoue!!!" it's great.
61MONICA 3 years ago
omg @ lyrics.
this shouldnt be funny, but it really is.
xsherriix 3 years ago
Nella versione italiana Esmeralda urla, la si sente chiaramente mentre Frollo dice "Stringete..."... Lola è molto + espressiva, fa vedere e sentire la sofferenza... Helene che sta facendo? Un massaggio rassodante al piede? Ma x favore! W l'Italia, e w Riccardo, non "Richard" Cocciante!
magnagata 3 years ago 4
Sì, ma attenzione a non essere ottusi come i cugini d'oltralpe che non ci ascoltano proprio.. La Sedara ha una voce pazzesca. Diciamo che lei e la ponce si compensano su diversi piani.
cirusinfabula 2 years ago
I don't feel sorry for Esmeralda while I watch this version, because she just doesn't seem tortured... she seems everything but not tortured. maybe just a weird dame.
61MONICA 3 years ago
This whole stage version was done from an abstract point of view, obviously they could not replicate the entire scenes of the story. It would be too costly.
EmilyGreene1984 3 years ago 2
Also, if they had used a replica of the actual Iron boot - the audience couldn't see her.
EmilyGreene1984 3 years ago 3
I don't think 61monica was referring to the actual stage tool. I think she (Monica?) was referring to the fact that Esmeralda's expression did not look tortured. With a lack of equipment, the job of an actor/actress is to portray the reaction to the object as if it were there. Unfortunately, she did not look tortured at all. She looked like she stubbed her toe.
canneddice 3 years ago 5
Well the problem with a show like this - you don't want to overact - like the Italian Esmeralda did. This show isn't really a musical as such, its more like a rock opera/concert.
EmilyGreene1984 3 years ago
Yeah canneddice, I meant exactly that she didn't seem tortured because of her expression. Because they had the tools and the music to create the right atmosphere of the torture, but (God knows why) she didn't make a terrified face. I mean, Helene is a woman, but her character is a lil' girl who makes her very first meeting with pain.
61MONICA 3 years ago
Were they torturing her? she seemed a noble dame during a cure in beauty farm... better the italian version, for sure.
61MONICA 3 years ago 2
squallidissimo :S
completamente inespressivi tutti e due !
quello italiano è un opera a dir poco senza paragoni ! stupenda e semplicemente inimitabile:D !
gaiastarxx 3 years ago 25
Sono abituata a vedere l'Esmeralda di Lola che soffre durante la tortura, non so se Hèléne volesse rappresentare un personaggio più coraggioso o con meno sensibilità al dolore... però proprio non riesco a farmela piacere. Peccato...
Invece devo dire che in questa scena Daniel mi convince parecchio...
PioggiaNelVento 3 years ago 8
hai ragione....lui è mlt piu simile al libro...k quasi nn si fa vedere....mentre lei pare k sta in una beauty farm...nel libro lei urla cm una pazza...cm farebbe una di 16 anni appunto....lei nn mi cnvince x nnt..mah...
pallina2792 3 years ago 7
Décidemment, les performances de Daniel Lavoie dans le procès et la torture sont grandioses. On n'arrive pas du tout à reconnaître Daniel Lavoie avec cette voix sinistre et froide! Et cette façon de cacher son visage c'est génial aussi, très funèbre.
Vraiment trop réussi!
cd200387 3 years ago 7
It's incredibly how his voice,so tender and soft,can sound so sinister.Like voice from hell!La proces and La torture give me the creeps!
Daniel=genius
desigb 3 years ago 10
I think that's part of the character of Frollo. He is meant to be seen (by the people of Paris) as a figure of integrity and good moral and compassion.
EmilyGreene1984 2 years ago
ma la stavano torturando??sembrava che si stesse facendo una pedicure.
Persy20 3 years ago 6
oddioooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.. raga ma dite vero? vi piace sta cosa?? è una negliaaaaaaa... la ponce è molto meglio.. qst sta ferma è come se fosse scontato di essere torturata.. w notre dame in italiano! sta helene non sa recitare!
leoncina1707 3 years ago 5
Frollo lo vedo un pò congestionato...
Oh l'Esmeralda francese non ha fatto una piega mentre la torturavano! Ha solo aspettato che Frollo finisse la sua parte!!
bea2312 3 years ago 6
sei grande helene... complimenti a daniel... nn so il xk ma so solo che a me questa lola nn piace...
esmeraldagringoire 3 years ago 4
This comment has received too many negative votes show
WAT DO YALL FRENCH PEOPLE DO
deathwish181818 3 years ago
We live in igloos?!
MistuhPurpo 3 years ago 3
helene sei unica... una volta mi piacevi... ora mi piaci tantissimo... sembra ke anke se ti torturano tu nn ti inkini alla volontà di frollo...
bohemienne19621994 3 years ago
ahaha my god she cant act!!! look the italian version...lola is better than her
9Blake0 3 years ago 3
Weird
VideoGamerAgent 3 years ago
oups j'avais pas compris la question dans ce sens la dsl
Temari28Malfoy 3 years ago
ellxandra c un "brodequin" une machine qui va du pied jusqu'au genoux et qui broie la jambes. Je sais c'est pas glorieux mais c'est ce qui est marqué dans le livre de Victor Hugo. En espérant avoir répondu à ta question...
Temari28Malfoy 3 years ago
enfet je me moquais ...Je voulais dire, elle n'a pas vraiment l'air d'avoir mal
ellxandra 3 years ago
kel style de torture?
ellxandra 3 years ago
I don't like this version.. Helene Segara is very boring..
HeLethebest 3 years ago 3
ma che è 'sta roba?! da come recita questa helene piuttosto che una tortura sembra che le stiano facendo la pedicure...!
ragnettopaladino 3 years ago 7
nice babe
sloppyguy 3 years ago
That was lame. Couldn't they have worked in at least a little yelp or two?
lurkerrekrul 3 years ago 4
you sadist! Why would you
want to here Esméralda "yellp"
in pain i mean i know she is a genuine bitch in this musial and in the novel but
it's horrible the fact that she get's tourtued in the first place no matter how minor a torture it is
donfrollo2 3 years ago
Because as it now, it doesn't look like she was tortured at all. Yes, I know he says that they're going to torture her and the other guys move the boot into position, but then nothing happens. She looks aboout as distressed as someone who can't get the type of salad dressing she wanted.
I realize that it's an opera, not a realistic re-enactment, but she doesn't even ask for mercy. It looks more like they just threaten her and she instantly gives in.
lurkerrekrul 3 years ago 7
Well, a lot of people did that. Sometimes they confessed after just being shown the instruments of torture.
hanfern 3 years ago 2
Did you read the book? That's pretty much what happened. The only thing they left out is how much it hurt Frollo to see them do that.
wasthatrhetoric 3 years ago 2
In the original novel, she at first does not confess but with the Iron boot (which was the device that they put her foot in), they slowly crushed her foot till she confessed out of agony. It was a form of torture used to get people to confess to crimes, regardless if they were innocent or not. Those that, miraculously, would hold out until the end would end up being unable to use their foot ever again - in some cases the foot would have been literally flattened.
EmilyGreene1984 3 years ago 6
And worse, sometimes, if they still didn't confess they would have tried another form of torture. :(
EmilyGreene1984 3 years ago 4
torture my ass
liamx102 3 years ago
I would listen to Frollo sing me the dictionary.
fishfarmer 3 years ago 8
This comment has received too many negative votes show
I think Helene Sgara is week in this scene. Russian and Italian Esmeralda are better and more emotional
Sunniwa89 3 years ago
I actually agree with you on this -
Helene never really struck me as a true Esmeralda. Good, but not great.
fishfarmer 3 years ago
frollo's voice is so dark and spooky in this!
mishnish 4 years ago 20
what are they doing to her foot? I can't tell
TwilightGeisha 4 years ago 2
They are crushing it in a vice until she confesses. Poor thing.
dernhelm1984 4 years ago 9
ouch. thanks.
TwilightGeisha 4 years ago 8
they put her foot in an iron boot and tight it until she confesses.
QuasimodoOfNotreDame 4 years ago
But this scene in the book is a little diferent....When he heard her cries, he cry too and cuts himself...
DaniMajor 4 years ago 10
This has been flagged as spam show
Check out me singing this song:
Search tangles10, Ashley Huston, Mme Parent or Grade 5/6 FI
tangles10 4 years ago
frollo is unexpectedly alluring!
eponine13thenard 4 years ago
You people are all sick, sex depraved people. This was was a kind of torture back then, that crushed your foot. And still, all you think about are your fetishes. Good luck understanding anything else.
13of5and7 4 years ago 8
thats gotta fait mal! XD
tangles10 4 years ago
Im srry, hes like 'i love you' and then 'put her foot in the vice!' sadistic mofo! lol
BoomKittieIsBack 4 years ago
xD Your comment made me laugh. It's soo true though! Frollo probably has a few fetishes xD
ninjapiratehybrid 4 years ago
xDD
That had me going for awhile xD
lol
batmansrevengeX 4 years ago
Songs 6 and 7 of act two are sooooooo AWESOME!!! Weird, they did use the sexiest music for the most gruesome scenes. o_O
Dustellika 5 years ago
il est idiot ce pretre toz 3ale
matjiboktir 5 years ago
ahha bondage heh
Flamette 5 years ago
hahahahaha you rule
and so does this. wow. ultraaaa sexy, yet i can't seem to say why... :o)
InvictusMentis 5 years ago