Line 6 M13 Stompbox and Marshall JVM - Digital vs Tube

[MaggaraMarine]

It would be easier to say if you didn't use any other effects than those distortions.

[anthonysij]

Lydian is cool!

[gwugluud]

I wonder if Marshall have ever had any copyright issues with Vox. Their JVM 410c looks almost EXACTLY like a Vox AC-30. I know the resemblance is totally unintentional. For one thing, they shouldn't spell "marshall" "V-O-X".

[BREAKocean]

so warm don't even need a blanket

[vicgarcia30]

marshall owns i mean all pros play them

[j1996g]

i am thinking about getting a Fender Super-Sonic 22 22W 1x12 Tube Amp or a Line 6 Spider IV 150 150W 2x12 amp and i only have 600 dollers to spend......do you think i should buy the line 6 for 500 dollers or save another 400 to get the fender.....and why are tube amps better? do they sound that much different...any advice would be helpful.....

[sufructuosa]

great sound...

=)

[RNRDOLL]

As much of us know, tube is a wonderful thing, especially with amps. But as far as effects, its not ALWAYS the rule. There are exceptions because tube technology has a way of coloring a sound where as digital can offer a cleaner representation. For instance, I prefer digital reverb and delays over analog (pedals) because its typically cleaner sounding; of course not as warm and sweet, but sometimes 'warmth' also can mean loss in crispness and definition. Judge each piece of gear on its own merit

[metebelis]

@TheStereoParadox This was recorded via emulated Marshall line out on the amp to a sound board (Alesis) then to Cubase on the PC.

[ABCinternational08]

@TheStereoParadox you just got pwned, ahaha.

[Marrs47]

I have a JVM205h and i think it's too trebley lol, currently have it with the 1936 lead cab with gt75's, i tried it with a 4x12 greenback cab and it sounded amazing, just saving up for it

[pneumatica3]

I used to be a tone snob too. My life got a lot simpler when I realized that chocolate and vanilla were not opposite - just different. I love them both. If it sounds good to you - enjoy it!

[sarahsdad1968]

Is this a trick?

Both sound shit to me

[Remnufacture]

hey man. i love the m13 for multiply sounds. did you get the update version 2.01? just got it two days ago. now you could use it also as whamy or wah and become eq settings that can boost a normal tube amp. but you got a nice tube tone from the jvm. i prefer using my m13 for digital effects in send, noise gate or looper

[metebelis]

I did get the update. It significantly adds to what the M13 can do. Particularly the wah models which were lacking in the 1st version. It was good to get something for free for a change.

[usrpr]

you've got too much goop on top of the drive sounds to hear them properly.

You could turn off all effects and chunk out some chords for an overdrive sound comp.

[asianaxeman]

sell the crap modeler.

[gvox1]

the m13 is not even made to emulate amps at all but recreate stompboxs and many marshalls sound different for reasons of speakers or tube amp or not and also the tubes can change sounding. salute!

[riec0123]

Sound by nature is analog. There is no such thing as digital sound, when refering to actual sound waves. You simply loose something in the transition. I have a reworked 1987x that absolutely obliterates all other amps I've heard. I had a master volume put in as well. While any Marshall will sound great, there's simply no comparison to a vintage style design. Who needs all those extra features. I've got a ultra clean sound, and a killer overdrive sound; all with the twist of a knob on my guitar.

[Gtrplyr1]

True but digital is not all the information that is represented by the sound. Sample rates( in digital equipment) chop up the sound, may be difficult for some people to hear. Analog is the whole true tone going through and does have a huge difference in sound. As far as using that many channels it really depends how good or how professional you are. Most pros are going to want more versatility

[riec0123]

It's fine for people who want that. But, people shouldn't be so dead set that you have to have all of that to be any good. It seems like there's a lot of people who don't take you seriously if you don't have a ridiculously complex setup. Besides, I always try new gear out before making any judgements on it. I've fiddled with all the settings and messed with the JVM As "versatile" as it is, it's incapable of producing the sound I want. You turn the bass all the way down, and theres still too much

[Gtrplyr1]

yeah i hear you man. Different products are for different people. Have you experimented with different cabinets for the JVM. The frequency response of the cabs is attainable. Different cabs support different frequencies depending on the size/slant etc...

[hermanshermits124124]

@Gtrplyr1 Very true in <1995, but the sample rates are now at a level where no human can hear where they are 'cut off'. You can't argue about it because this has been proven a long time ago. You might still prefer the analog sound (because of the 'faults' of analog which give it a distinct sound), but the sample rate argument really doesn't go anymore in 2010. Cheers

[Gtrplyr1]

Just remember that every single piece of digital gear you use takes away less of the true sound, even digital guitar processors etc. As i said all in all analog equipment represents less sound loss in frequency, especially the warm bottom end.

[hermanshermits124124]

@Gtrplyr1 No. Analog takes more away from the original signal than the (more accurate) digital path. But analog changes the signal sometimes in a more pleasing way.

[Shamilt3]

@hermanshermits124124

That's kind of an odd way to put it. The digital signal is converted from analog, which means it would have less of the true signal because it is a digital copy of the analog sound. Analog signal degrades the longer its carried, where digital uses less "room" it can go further without degradation.

This product and those like it, cool for people who like it. If it feels good do it.

[hermanshermits124124]

@Shamilt3 But the DAC's of today are so accurate that the loss isn't significant anymore. People always talk about a 'tube sound'. But the best tube sound sounds exactly like the best transistor sound. Its the not 100% accurate tube sound that people like, its the 'in-accuratness' of the tube and the signal path (the change of it, otherwise known as distortion), why people like it.

[Shamilt3]

@hermanshermits124124

I agree with you. I like pedals and tube amps, but I prefer analog for my delays and I like fender tube reverb (I have a super reverb) The modeling stuff is great especially for home playing, but out at a gig any of the stuff I have heard in person seems to lack character, its like something is missing.

[TimHeerebout]

is there a jet flanger on the settings? If so, leave that off next time

[spencerjackson1234]

Well i actually have both the jvm half stack and the m13 and i have to say that though the modeler is pretty great sounding it just doesn't beat the marshall but the m13 can add alot to an already fantastic sound

[metebelis]

ty - thats the way i looked at it

[nisselon]

try to be more dynamic with vibratos.... your playing is good but could be so much better if you realized you have to make some effort with that part to .... just a hint...

[GibsonRock4All]

yeah i have the m13

its an awesome modeler for sure!

but it cant match a nice tube amp

thats just impossible

it can add to it though =-D

for some ever more awesome shizznit

[soniquejukeangel]

Age old tube v.s. fake Q- my two cents= for a live sound you will never beat (or truly emulate) the fullness of tone you get with the real thing. The signals just dont respond/react the same way becasue one is pre-amp modified signal and true tube distortion is created in the power section of a much larger tube. That said, for recording I prefer digital DI over micing a tube cab- Your signal is purer and you get alot more precise level of control- you can get saturated tone at low volume.

[gavinbeaumont1972]

i use lots of moddellers but you still cant beat the real thing.

[Synthweasel]

Tube amp! analog pedals I say :)

[marko3855]

great guitar...i have that one...

[codyt5]

The amp by itself definitely sounds more natural and responsive, and I can hear a distinct pick attack when you are playing the Marshall, which isn't nearly as present with the modelers. The M13 sounds good though. Nice playing!

[damienlott]

Nice vid. One question, is the m13 able to store a combination of effects (ie od, flanger and delay) into one single stomp? And then on another stomp a different combination again? Im trying to avoid the tap dancing thing...

[metebelis]

Yes - it has 12 "scenes" which allow alot of variety.

[dan24591]

I HATE DIGITAL

[geertbeks]

keep in mind that m13 ain't no midi-controller. It reacts on midi signals and i read it can control some amps, but it isn't designed for it.

[metebelis]

It does yes

[C7Blackjack]

Well the M13 isn't an amp modeller, it only emulates overdrive pedals and I don't know of any overdrive pedal that sounds like a tube stack. A more fair comparison would be the POD's Marshall sound vs. the real thing, or the Axe-Fx which is more in the price range of a Marshall head and that's also the best amp modelling available so far.

[metebelis]

This vid is about digital overdrive compared to tube overdrive - not amp modelling vs amps. But maybe ill do a modelling vs tube vid next. Thanks for the comment.

[C7Blackjack]

Of course, but my point was that you're comparing an amp to a pedal. A tube overdrive pedal vs. a digital overdrive pedal would be more fair, as there is no pedal that sounds like a full amp, not even tube pedals.

[lazeedawgs]

I don't know that one is better, but to me Line6 stuff seems to have it's own tone that comes through, just like Marshall, Vox, Fender, etc... And I personally like the Marshall sound better. Sounds a little warmer and maybe a little more vintage.