@MrSakan34 Wing Chun can fuck MMA up? Well I never have seen one succesful Wing Chun fighter in MMA. But I've seen succesful Karate, BJJ, Muay Thai, Boxing, and Wrestling fighters in MMA. So WIng Chun can't use the excuse that it;s too deadly, because all those martial arts I mentioned also have dirty techniques. And even in the street, imagine how dangerous MMA fighters would be if they had no gloves and decided to go for your eyes, throat, balls, spine, ect.... You fail sir.
Let this be a lesson to all who shoot for the take down from 10ft out with no set up or follow through; a man in shiny pants will apparently play patty cake with your head.
you never strike when a takedown is being done to you it makes the takedown more easier...you should sprawl...and also if you want to know how to stop a takedown you ask someone who dose takedowns...how is someone who spends all of his time striking and on his feet going to know how to stop a takedown well?
the guy in the red suit saw the ip man movies and said: I can do that just throwing punches like a cat, let me make videos with my couch potato buddy, both techniquies are WRONG! the takedown is way too low, the shoulder must hit the center of the other guy to knock the center of gravity out of him in other for an easy takedown and slam, the wing chun punches comes from the shoulder so can be more power and a KO, not like a kid who's big brother is bullying him around. FAIL!!!!
@perpleducky if u want to actually hurt the attacker u have too, not enough force hitting like that in the video and u will get tired with no damage to the other person, he may just get up and beat u up! before the ipman movies and haven't seen those punches and Mr. Donnie Yen punches from the shoulder, watch closely, everybody else I've seen just doing it wrong, not even Bruce Lee did this and wing chun was his foundation
I like Wing Chun, but I don't think this is a realistic takedown defense. That throw at 0:03 is being done by a man standing on one foot against a man already on the ground. It would be very easy for the attacker to resist and counter this.
The dude doing the takedowns dont know anything about how to take down. He is doing everything my MMA teacher tells us not to do, cause otherwise we wont have strength or balance to go through with the takedown. So ofcourse he will fail. However, if done properly, the WingChun dude could never defend himself like that. Actually, his defense makes the takedown easier.
@OppressedAnarchist I disagree, as soon as he drops his head to come scoop, nice front toe kick under his chin, lights out. I've seen it happen. I've let it happen.
@OppressedAnarchist that guy? probably. a real wing chun master, u wont get down that easily. grabbing the legs exposes the entire back of ur head for an easy elbow to knock out the attacker.
he has the concept, but not the skill or real life experience
ehhhmmm... this is not how it works in a street fight. once i got tackled by a big guy. i punched his fuckin' face, yes his face not the back of the head. i punched him about 7 times while he was trying to do a takedown. the damn guy felt nothing. but then i used my fingers on his face and his throat. he start coughing immediately. that's why they are practising open hand and finger strike in oldschool kung fu. fighting with your muscle against a guy like hulk doesn't help you. no offence.
I actually like to incorporate a bit of sticking hands into my striking... but seriously, this guy would get crippled if he tried this on anybody who bothered to fight back... or knew how to shoot.
this guy is a joke....i was taught wing chun by a grand master (gold sash) don harris....this is nothng like any self defence i have ever come across. this guy is just stupid to say the least!
I love wingchun but this is very unrealistic. the guy shooting obviously sucks at it and he doesnt even seem like hes trying to take the guy down. -_-
This is complete BS. You get a experienced BJJ or Wrestler who actually knows what they are doing wing Chun is a complete waste of time. I cant think of 1 UFC fighter who does Wing Chun
i wrestled for 10 years and went state champ, then i started MMA mostly Boxing and BJJ one of my freinds i grew up with does wing chun as long as i can remember hes been doing it maybe 15 years. he also out weighs me by 25 pounds. he is very good at defending punches but soon as i close the distance with a bear hug and then take down he is useless i play with him on the ground like a little kid. also 90% of the street fights i have seen or been in have gone to the ground just sayin.
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Coming from a guy that has done a little wing chun and is a regular BJJ and Judo guy this is just loltastic. Worst ginle attempt ever. I mean if you are going to demo stuff at least have the take down look at least half way realistic. my god my grandma has a better single than that. just looooooooooooooooooooooooooool. Pathetic.
If you don't do real live sparring, you aren't really defending and you will lose, and lose hard, in a real fight. This goes to Wing Chun, Aikido, and any of those theories and compliant drills-only martial arts out there.
This is a perfect example on how people impliment unrealistick techniques in their programs.
If you think you have a technique againts takedowns, get a experised wrestler og BJJ to try to take you down.. and offer him 100 bucks if he succed... Then you have a commited and experienced opponent, compared to this..
If you ever tried a real fight, where everything is allowed, takedowns become VERY low priority, even thoug you know what it can end with, hitting just matters more.
@Decard2104 Your obviously not going to start a fight against a boxer or a wrestler on the street, technique works on the average human being who has no experience.
@Timmybnot 1. A average human with no experience would not try a takedown like those in the video anyway, they would clinch if able and drag you to the ground in old high school manners, since it is the only thing they really know.. Ask any bouncer and they would tell you that 9 out of 10 fights end on the ground when unexperienced people fight.. So they techniques shown dont work for experienced og unexperienced opponents. 2. Fighting a stranger rarely inform you of thier training
@Decard2104 Anyone who's sparred with a wrestler knows a wrestling take-down will destroy your balance. You want avoid wrestling take-downs learn to sprawl.
@side1981 I do know how to sprawl, BJJ people often uses the same technics as wrestlers for takedowns.
Still having problems understanding why you ask me about this, what did i write in the text that indikate that i never spared with a wrestler or dont know how to sprawl..??
Do you indikate that the takedowns in the video is the same as wrestlers uses..?
Wenn ihr keine Ahnung von Kampfsport habt und den ganzen Tag auf eurem Arsch sitzt würdet ihr in frühestens 10 Jahren so schnell sein wie der. ER scheint das schon lange zu machen und IHR? Also denkt mal nach bevor ihr negative Kommentare verfasst. Wtf zB....völlig sinnlos. Das stammt bestimmt von so einem pickeligen Vollidioten, der sich in der Grundschule behaupten muss aber kein Geld für training blechen will.
The title is misleading; it should be "Unschooled Takedown vs. Wing Chun." None but the most beginning grapplers would ineffectively hug the legs while you punch them. They would continue to drive forward attacking your base the whole time. I'm not saying Wing Chun doesn't have the potential to be effective against a grappler, but if you're going to present it as such you should really experiment with an experienced and non-compliant grappler.
ok this video IS NOT perfect. but hitting the back of the head from ANY distance is enough to kill you and it WILL kill you if you hit as many times as you can hit with Wing chun. grappling is the most dangerous (for the grappler) thing you can do in a wing chun fight.
@illegalusername ....lol i dont know who you tackled or who you beat but hitting the back of the head, MORE specifically right above the back of the neck, WILL kill you. I KNOW in street fights the moves in this video might not work. All i said was if you are bending down to tackle someone first thing i will do is to hit the back of the head. Worked so far. i cant believe i actually am trying to educate you here.i should get paid for this :P
lol, stop underestimating human body and capabilities. hitting back at the head defiantly puts opponent sleep sooner than hitting forehead for example but it doesn't kill you. fighters get hit all the time there in mma fights and no one has died. when someone shoots and gets inside, you are in a position where you can't deliver enough force whether you hit back at the head or not. and if you don't know how to grapple, you are soon in much worse position.
@MasterWarri alright i agree with you. But you know there is the possibility of dying as well don't you? and in mma you are not allowed to do chops to the back of the head. In this video hitting technique will not kill you probably. but it is more likely that you will die getting hit in the back of the neck than you getting hit in the cheek.
@Shishaismelife The chances you will be able to deliver a direct chop on a shooting opponent are low. Once he has you on one leg, it is just arm strength, resulting a drastic decrease in power. If your mythical, one chance elbow or chop kill strike fails, a pure wing chun practitioner has nothing on the ground to save them in their training.
@TheTerrorUforgot its true that a karete chop would be difficult but wingchun you only need 2 inches to create a nice painful chop. However, considering he could be a experienced grappler and pull his arms in order to completely push you of balance I was thought to get a hold of the grapplers ears(its like making a punch with your hands while you are holding the ears)and turn the head as anything allowed in wingchun. i can also poke eyes. i can control his head with that move and make him blind
when your talking about getting hold of ears and controlling grappler's head, i have to ask: have you ever grappled with even some half decent grappler? you don't seem to understand how fast those kind of situations are and what kind of forces there are to deal with. there's no time to get hold of ears and even if there is, it's the experienced grappler who is controlling the situation, not the other way around. big moves beat small ones, always.
@MasterWarri lol dude I will NOT use wingchun against a grappler in real life. I am not a pure wing chun practitioner. I was just saying wing chun people have their options in those situations. I saw a fight between wingchun and mma. Both fighters were professional and one of them was over 60(wingchun). that ear move worked. Wing chun practitioners are extremely fast anything can happen in a fight. I am glad we had this discussion. I like people who have solid arguments.
knee to the face is very useful and very difficult to time while defending takedowns. the chances are that the knee misses. and besides muay thai would be better suited for learning knee strikes.
mma is mixed martial arts and in fact i look more for the techniques, not the styles. the techniques demonstrated in above video simply won't work against anyone who can grapple even a little bit.
@MasterWarri im not talking about the techniques in this video. This guy is clearly not using the tools for the right job. You dont use a screw driver on something that needs a torque wrench.
That said I agree with most of what you are saying except for shoots being hard to defend against. I didnt learn my knees from Wing Chun, my knees come strait from FMA.
All im saying is "use the right tool for the job"
JKD says it well, "know when to flow from one art to the next"
@MasterWarri that said, I still use Wing Chun principals on all my fighting styles.
FMA gives me the knees, Wing Chun hones that tool in with its centerline principal.
BJJ gives me great takedown and locking. Wing Chun principals allow me to get out of most grappling by not resisting. It also helps my BJJ because I can center force better. Etc Etc.
For me personally, the wing chun tool is Like a sharpening stone. Something small to be used to hone all tools.
actually it's not mma setting the rules, it's the organization. in early ufc's almost everything was allowed. in pride you could kick downed opponent and quite certainly could strike at the back at the head. watch gomi vs sakurai for example. sure, people die all the time when they fall and hit their head etc. but the chances for that kind of kill strikes are extremely low. chances that a boxer ko's you or grappler submits you are extremely high.
I do not mean that he is apply the technique right. Yes I also learned that even when moving backward push forward. When the man in black go to grab the leg a mae keage or hiza gery should do the job . but all depend if the attacker had train or not.
I like wing chun but I would never punch the opponent's head as this guy does. That's one of the best ways to break your hands. You should aim the face, not the head. Head is HARD. LOL
Why don't you just jump so you could be on him when you touch the ground. If i were him i would jump and destroy his ankle or try to put my knee on his neck. a lot easier
@rut119 You don't see the problem with jumping while someone is trying to take you to the ground? That's an even worse idea than the technique in this video.
I... I don't know what happened... I shot the worst single leg pick of my life, and when I woke up, a man was gently pitter-pattering my head with his hands.
Have to laugh at all the "you never been in a real fight" or "in a real fight you're going down". Worst place toe ver go in a real fight is the ground as you leave yourself open to outside attacks and rarely is a real fight a "fair fight". Most real fights I've been in attackers who try to go to the ground are clumsy and sloppy about it and ususally start by spearing from a big distance.
and have to laugh at all the "in teh streetz kung fu wins" comments. even though mma has some rules it's even still 100 times more realistic than the above video for example. there's no "too deadly to prove", it's "too theoretic to work".
to MMA and UFC fans: you're right,you can't actually use this technique in real fight, but that's because this is not the proper technique.the real one is a lot dangerous and deadly and will break your opponent's neck.
Look at the distance between the two individuals before he beings the takedown, in a real situation nobody would attempt a takedown from that distance, the gap would be closed first.
@piaten : Good movie. The silat guy is staying properly upright while he sometimes moves back a little. The grappler in the movie seems not committed enough to keep holding on to the opponent. Maybe he would not be able to take the initial kick, and the following punches, before he has a good hold. Like I said to Micahel213. And again: How about grabbing the balls? Anyway, put a knife or broken bottle in the scenario, and then grappling becomes very risky, it seems. Just digressing a bit.
@Micahel213 : After watching your movies, I see you have a point. The grapplers, while grabbing on, take some serious abuse. But they are not letting go and when they have a good hold, they start hitting back. It seems it all depends on how committed the grappler is to not let go and make the takedown work. A lesser grappler might think: These hits are too much, I'm getting out of here. Maybe with some guy who can break a lot of bricks or something. And then how about nuts grabbing?
I try to understand, but as you can see the defender is walking backwards. Is the momentum not gone if the grappler doesn't make contact where he wants to, but like half a meter further? Even if the defender steps back and a bit to the side, isn't the main energy of the grab\push missing him? If so, then it would be possible to make at least some technique to the back of the neck or use the knee or something. I've personally been trained to hit or kick also when moving backwards, with power.
@blablabla1864 Interesting reply! What you're describing is possible, it's just that most can't do it. Even those who say or think they can do it, actually can't. But some guys can!: /watch?v=7sj-QF9Cn6M&feature=channel_video_title
Attacking while moving backwards is easier said than done: There IS such a thing as keeping forward momentum/gravity even while moving back, but almost everyone mess up, backin up on their heels, and from this position all power, balance and control is lost.
@piaten Would the wing chun Pak-Da's count as an attack whilst moving backwards, or do you mean throwing punches with a backwards momentum? I've been told there should not really be any backwards movement in wing chun, as all thought and purpose should be directed forwards towards the opponents centre. I'm a passive person so i would likely use a lot of evasive techniques rather than meet the force head on. I would most likely keep running in the same direction as the grappler, all the way home!
@razberryjam I'm talking body mechanics here, not this technique vs that technique! To clarify: I'm not talking backward momentum. Backward momentum will get you killed! What I'm saying, is you can sorta keep a forward "momentum"/inclination even while taking one or two steps backward. This is sorta analogous to a wrestler sprawling, slidin both legs back, while droppin weight and leaning his upper body into the attacker like a lead carpet. You keep going forward even while movin backward!
You can never move back as fast as someone moves forward. Forget about hits to the back of the neck. You can never generate enough power. Now in these scripted scenarios you might pull it off to move back just fast enough to compensate for the forward momentum of your opponent. However, non-scripted the opponent will wait for the right moment, feint and shoot. Have a look at these vids: /watch?v=xP6fUrqbBTA , /watch?v=H-srqZb7Kbg , /watch?v=pvKRyTSr5Mo
It seems that if somebody in a match tries a takedown, the other one just lets him grab him, like he wants to be taken down. It seems more likely that in most real situations they will not be able to perform the takedown perfectly enough, leaving them open for defences like these. Which offcourse, are not allowed in a match.
@blablabla1864 That's not it. As I stated earlier, moves like these can only work if the defender has a strong root and structure. Most practioneers of hitting/kicking arts, underestimate how much force a guy shooting can actually absorb, since he's got all the Neutonian laws of physics working for him. Also: You can't hit or kick effectively if you're being pushed backward -it's just impossible, since the body is constructed to be strongest while exerting force moving forward!
Do you have experience in the execution of takedowns? If you have you know this particular defence is not going to work. Especially when your opponent knows what he is doing. Your opponent will be using his momentum to bear you down. Not like this guy who just dives for the legs. A good takedown is not about power but as piaten says it's about physics. Imagine someone throwing a 175lbs bag of potatoes against your legs. Now imagine executing this technique.
These are bad takedown attempts. With the first he wasn't hip to hip or he didn't drop to a knee. No explosiveness or power the second was like someone from football trying to tackle you. And if you go up on one leg your completely off balancing yourself and could turn into a single leg
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You can tell that the attacker never played football. When you go for a tackle, you never stop driving through your opponent. He hits once then stops driving his feet. Your feet should never stop until he either breaks free or you drive him up and then down into the ground.
Yeah you should expect to get kicked or hit in the head trying to tackle someone like that.
@supertruckertom This technique is actually supposed to be a double-leg takedown from amateur wrestling, but the concept is the same as in football. The guy in the red shirt would fail either way.
The takedown technique has already been proven to be effective even in arenas where you could get hit in the head trying to perform it.
Yeah, this is how to do it! Only thing is: For it to work against a real attack, one MUST have some root and a very strong body structure. Just knowing the techniques is not enough. Meaning: If one tried to pull this off while being slightly unbalanced, or backing op on one's heels, one would surely go down. Doing it from a strong, rooted structure, one should have a fair chance to withstanding the takedown long enough to take him out!
Unfortunately I have to disagree with you on this. When someone goes for the takedown and passes your guard you will have to sprawl. An experienced grappler will have no need to lift the opponent. He might if he feels he can but he doesn't have to. Giving the leg like that will only work in his advantage. This person obviously has little to no experience with fighting grapplers. It doesn't matter how strong your structure is. You do not want a grappler at your legs. Trust me.
@Micahel213 I see your point, especially regarding the first example. The two others are better. By structure, I'm not primarily referring to how the stance looks, but how one uses opposing muscle groups to stabilize the crotch, hips, waist and legs, which is very similar to the sprawl. Sorta like an internal/invisible sprawl. I do that to good effect all the time, though I can't tell if the guy in the video can do it. Some Okinavan karate styles do this too, not sure bout Wado though..
@piaten In grappling or wrestling competitions fighters adopt a strong, rooted stance similar to what you described. It makes them harder to take down because their center of gravity is lower and their base is stronger.
The problem is it's only just one piece of the puzzle. Used in conjunction with sprawling and conventional defense, it works great. Otherwise, it's just a half assed pseudo-concept that won't protect you against anyone who knows what they're doing.
@ThePinkMan Can't see any contradiction btwn this, and what I was saying.. Just to clarify: I'm not quite sure if the guy in red actually has what it takes to pull this off in a real situation. However, if one were to use WC (or IMA or most TMAs), with proper root/body structure, then it should LOOK somewhat like this. It's true that the double leg is an effective technique, but like any other technique, nothing's fullproof. Just look at the UFC!
@piaten I understand what you're trying to get across. My point was that most striking TMAs, in general don't have a complete toolset to deal with grappling unless cross-trained techniques are integrated into the curriculum.
@ThePinkMan I see! Kinda agree with you. Most TMA have lost their way, yet there are some who get it right! It's one thing lookin good with a compliant partner, quite another to try to deal with a trained wrestler comin at you full bore! -I've seen that happen a few times: The surprize in their faces, when all those pretty punches and kicks somehow don't have the desired effect, and how they freeze once they find themselves on the ground, with no clue what to do..
the top comments are bitches that probaly do MMA and wing chun can fuck mma up
MrSakan34 1 day ago
@MrSakan34 Wing Chun can fuck MMA up? Well I never have seen one succesful Wing Chun fighter in MMA. But I've seen succesful Karate, BJJ, Muay Thai, Boxing, and Wrestling fighters in MMA. So WIng Chun can't use the excuse that it;s too deadly, because all those martial arts I mentioned also have dirty techniques. And even in the street, imagine how dangerous MMA fighters would be if they had no gloves and decided to go for your eyes, throat, balls, spine, ect.... You fail sir.
myloveforMMA 22 hours ago 2
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i agree with everything you said. people shoudn't trust in techniques that haven't been tested.
MasterWarri 12 hours ago
Let this be a lesson to all who shoot for the take down from 10ft out with no set up or follow through; a man in shiny pants will apparently play patty cake with your head.
Shemywinks 2 days ago
you never strike when a takedown is being done to you it makes the takedown more easier...you should sprawl...and also if you want to know how to stop a takedown you ask someone who dose takedowns...how is someone who spends all of his time striking and on his feet going to know how to stop a takedown well?
jiujitsukh 4 days ago in playlist defenses against a takedown
Both of these people are retarded.
BlitzkriegATX 4 days ago
autotake down..... good job :/
treicy80 4 days ago
WTF that is not how you take someone down that's how you get your head stepped on!
MarbleDemo 4 days ago
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TheMascotTom 5 days ago
the guy in the red suit saw the ip man movies and said: I can do that just throwing punches like a cat, let me make videos with my couch potato buddy, both techniquies are WRONG! the takedown is way too low, the shoulder must hit the center of the other guy to knock the center of gravity out of him in other for an easy takedown and slam, the wing chun punches comes from the shoulder so can be more power and a KO, not like a kid who's big brother is bullying him around. FAIL!!!!
axgo21 5 days ago
@axgo21 in wing chun you dont hit from the shoulder sir
perpleducky 5 days ago
@perpleducky if u want to actually hurt the attacker u have too, not enough force hitting like that in the video and u will get tired with no damage to the other person, he may just get up and beat u up! before the ipman movies and haven't seen those punches and Mr. Donnie Yen punches from the shoulder, watch closely, everybody else I've seen just doing it wrong, not even Bruce Lee did this and wing chun was his foundation
axgo21 3 days ago
I like Wing Chun, but I don't think this is a realistic takedown defense. That throw at 0:03 is being done by a man standing on one foot against a man already on the ground. It would be very easy for the attacker to resist and counter this.
storyacoustic 1 week ago
worst takedown defense ever just go to a wrestling class and learn how to sprawl
NjWingchun 1 week ago
emin boztepe is a smug son of a bitch.
yarokyan 1 week ago
I do wing tsun and i think this is shit....
our takedown defense is a sprawl
MLLK338 1 week ago
Wrestlers dont want to see the truth. The cant handle that their stupid takedowns are easily stopped by a trained Wing Chungest.
This is why every UFC weigh class is being dominated by Wing Chun fighters.
Check Mate wrestlers
plrpower 1 week ago
he knows that he is going to do a double leg so that makes it fake
wuuht 1 week ago
He doesn't even shoot the single properly... who the fuck kneels down on their back leg? rofl some wrestler.
olamprov 1 week ago
The dude doing the takedowns dont know anything about how to take down. He is doing everything my MMA teacher tells us not to do, cause otherwise we wont have strength or balance to go through with the takedown. So ofcourse he will fail. However, if done properly, the WingChun dude could never defend himself like that. Actually, his defense makes the takedown easier.
bailattelo 1 week ago 4
@bailattelo Yes that right bro.
jayjairismma 9 hours ago
this guy doesnt even know how to sprawl...one of the first things u learn in wrestling.
Ill take 100 bucks on any freshmen high school wrestlers against this dude ANYDAY
bertohtown41 1 week ago
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GrecoWrestlerNJ70 1 week ago
why taekwondo XD
2124161 1 week ago
well..all of you arrogant white bull..please try the shaolin vs another martial art you have before u comment =)
TheMrRagewolf 1 week ago
another weird part of youtube @.@
Carpisung 1 week ago
@OppressedAnarchist Yes, and my uncle with a gun would kill him...wow man this is a demonstration, not a fight. Retard
19082010FLY 1 week ago
bad demonstration...
klarensiv 2 weeks ago
You know he was as close as he wanted him to be :P 1:03
SoopaDoopaCoupa 2 weeks ago
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SoopaDoopaCoupa 2 weeks ago
Hmm i have the feeling were not getting the true art of wing chun here...
bobw72 2 weeks ago
Close your eyes. It sounds like someone ripping his pants off and masturbating furiously
KazperTheStreetPoet 2 weeks ago
uhmmmmmm......... nooooo. This wouldn't work.
olamprov 2 weeks ago
@OppressedAnarchist I disagree, as soon as he drops his head to come scoop, nice front toe kick under his chin, lights out. I've seen it happen. I've let it happen.
TijuanaPhysician 2 weeks ago
@OppressedAnarchist that guy? probably. a real wing chun master, u wont get down that easily. grabbing the legs exposes the entire back of ur head for an easy elbow to knock out the attacker.
he has the concept, but not the skill or real life experience
Shanksor88 2 weeks ago
IT'S JUST LIKE DEEP BLUE SEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TheLockon00 2 weeks ago
This is so awful im not even going to comment........
PhorPhukSake 2 weeks ago
BAD BAD BAD!
theerasmussoldier 2 weeks ago
all i see is just a brawl ==
enquandog 2 weeks ago
Wing Chun will kill any wrestling takedowns, but this shit here DON"T WORK.
ComicBookGo 2 weeks ago
ehhhmmm... this is not how it works in a street fight. once i got tackled by a big guy. i punched his fuckin' face, yes his face not the back of the head. i punched him about 7 times while he was trying to do a takedown. the damn guy felt nothing. but then i used my fingers on his face and his throat. he start coughing immediately. that's why they are practising open hand and finger strike in oldschool kung fu. fighting with your muscle against a guy like hulk doesn't help you. no offence.
KubilayHanTR 3 weeks ago
lol
TheCandyMan01 3 weeks ago
not good...
08yellowbike 3 weeks ago
I actually like to incorporate a bit of sticking hands into my striking... but seriously, this guy would get crippled if he tried this on anybody who bothered to fight back... or knew how to shoot.
Miketheasshole 3 weeks ago 4
que estupidez!!!!!!!!
renzopaulo 3 weeks ago
this guy is a joke....i was taught wing chun by a grand master (gold sash) don harris....this is nothng like any self defence i have ever come across. this guy is just stupid to say the least!
crosserkid125 3 weeks ago
Look how the wing chun bloke clenches his fist....you hit someone hard with your fist clenched like that you are gonna fuck up your hand.
mnbaldie 3 weeks ago
Are you serious ???
reppait 3 weeks ago
it is gayest anti grappling i've ever seen :D
gercekcommander 3 weeks ago
This is the real deal. Meant for the mean streets.
Noth some MMA Bull*** for people who like to hugh each other on the ground.
Taskmaster300 3 weeks ago in playlist Meer video's van combatantdvd
I love wingchun but this is very unrealistic. the guy shooting obviously sucks at it and he doesnt even seem like hes trying to take the guy down. -_-
javilito67 3 weeks ago
Faggot! Respeect The Wing Chun!
jericouzumaki123 3 weeks ago
This is complete BS. You get a experienced BJJ or Wrestler who actually knows what they are doing wing Chun is a complete waste of time. I cant think of 1 UFC fighter who does Wing Chun
jisthebest50 3 weeks ago
this aint wing chun its just gay
joa12341000 4 weeks ago
seriously? if someone came to tackle me and came that low id just sparta kick him in the face and fights over -_______-
jewlombian 4 weeks ago
that is not taekwondo ;)
richardlepse 4 weeks ago
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@richardlepse The title didn't say Taekwondo ;)
ThePinkMan 4 weeks ago
i wrestled for 10 years and went state champ, then i started MMA mostly Boxing and BJJ one of my freinds i grew up with does wing chun as long as i can remember hes been doing it maybe 15 years. he also out weighs me by 25 pounds. he is very good at defending punches but soon as i close the distance with a bear hug and then take down he is useless i play with him on the ground like a little kid. also 90% of the street fights i have seen or been in have gone to the ground just sayin.
cambone456 4 weeks ago
axaxaxaxxaaxaxaxaxaxaxax.............axxaaxaxaxax
rothmansinternationa 4 weeks ago
i love this combat art dude those chinese people are genius
GAJMx26 4 weeks ago
This is bull shit!!!
emchowdhury 1 month ago
Man, If someone were to try and bite my crotch I wouldn't stop at taking him down and punching him in the face....
nagromgreen 1 month ago
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL LOLOLOL!!!LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLL!!!! JUST LOOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!
Coming from a guy that has done a little wing chun and is a regular BJJ and Judo guy this is just loltastic. Worst ginle attempt ever. I mean if you are going to demo stuff at least have the take down look at least half way realistic. my god my grandma has a better single than that. just looooooooooooooooooooooooooool. Pathetic.
FloppyMcNutZ 1 month ago
1:26 "From this position..." ...he pulls his arms in and you fall.
TheTerrorUforgot 1 month ago
If you don't do real live sparring, you aren't really defending and you will lose, and lose hard, in a real fight. This goes to Wing Chun, Aikido, and any of those theories and compliant drills-only martial arts out there.
TheTerrorUforgot 1 month ago
This is a perfect example on how people impliment unrealistick techniques in their programs.
If you think you have a technique againts takedowns, get a experised wrestler og BJJ to try to take you down.. and offer him 100 bucks if he succed... Then you have a commited and experienced opponent, compared to this..
If you ever tried a real fight, where everything is allowed, takedowns become VERY low priority, even thoug you know what it can end with, hitting just matters more.
Decard2104 1 month ago 39
@Decard2104 Your obviously not going to start a fight against a boxer or a wrestler on the street, technique works on the average human being who has no experience.
Timmybnot 1 month ago
@Timmybnot 1. A average human with no experience would not try a takedown like those in the video anyway, they would clinch if able and drag you to the ground in old high school manners, since it is the only thing they really know.. Ask any bouncer and they would tell you that 9 out of 10 fights end on the ground when unexperienced people fight.. So they techniques shown dont work for experienced og unexperienced opponents. 2. Fighting a stranger rarely inform you of thier training
Decard2104 1 month ago
@Decard2104 You've never spared with a wrestler have you.
side1981 2 weeks ago
@side1981 Not a PURE wrestler, but MMA and BJJ people many times...
Why you ask..?
Decard2104 1 week ago
@Decard2104 Anyone who's sparred with a wrestler knows a wrestling take-down will destroy your balance. You want avoid wrestling take-downs learn to sprawl.
side1981 1 week ago
@side1981 I do know how to sprawl, BJJ people often uses the same technics as wrestlers for takedowns.
Still having problems understanding why you ask me about this, what did i write in the text that indikate that i never spared with a wrestler or dont know how to sprawl..??
Do you indikate that the takedowns in the video is the same as wrestlers uses..?
Decard2104 1 week ago
Wenn ihr keine Ahnung von Kampfsport habt und den ganzen Tag auf eurem Arsch sitzt würdet ihr in frühestens 10 Jahren so schnell sein wie der. ER scheint das schon lange zu machen und IHR? Also denkt mal nach bevor ihr negative Kommentare verfasst. Wtf zB....völlig sinnlos. Das stammt bestimmt von so einem pickeligen Vollidioten, der sich in der Grundschule behaupten muss aber kein Geld für training blechen will.
00Hayler00 1 month ago
wtf is this shit?
h0rschdify 1 month ago
Gayyyyy!!
Pocket13sClothing 1 month ago
The title is misleading; it should be "Unschooled Takedown vs. Wing Chun." None but the most beginning grapplers would ineffectively hug the legs while you punch them. They would continue to drive forward attacking your base the whole time. I'm not saying Wing Chun doesn't have the potential to be effective against a grappler, but if you're going to present it as such you should really experiment with an experienced and non-compliant grappler.
Kwimalo 1 month ago
ok this video IS NOT perfect. but hitting the back of the head from ANY distance is enough to kill you and it WILL kill you if you hit as many times as you can hit with Wing chun. grappling is the most dangerous (for the grappler) thing you can do in a wing chun fight.
Shishaismelife 1 month ago
@Shishaismelife how does it feel to be so clueless. does it hurt.
illegalusername 1 month ago
@illegalusername ....lol i dont know who you tackled or who you beat but hitting the back of the head, MORE specifically right above the back of the neck, WILL kill you. I KNOW in street fights the moves in this video might not work. All i said was if you are bending down to tackle someone first thing i will do is to hit the back of the head. Worked so far. i cant believe i actually am trying to educate you here.i should get paid for this :P
Shishaismelife 1 month ago
@Shishaismelife
lol, stop underestimating human body and capabilities. hitting back at the head defiantly puts opponent sleep sooner than hitting forehead for example but it doesn't kill you. fighters get hit all the time there in mma fights and no one has died. when someone shoots and gets inside, you are in a position where you can't deliver enough force whether you hit back at the head or not. and if you don't know how to grapple, you are soon in much worse position.
MasterWarri 1 month ago
@MasterWarri alright i agree with you. But you know there is the possibility of dying as well don't you? and in mma you are not allowed to do chops to the back of the head. In this video hitting technique will not kill you probably. but it is more likely that you will die getting hit in the back of the neck than you getting hit in the cheek.
Shishaismelife 1 month ago
@Shishaismelife The chances you will be able to deliver a direct chop on a shooting opponent are low. Once he has you on one leg, it is just arm strength, resulting a drastic decrease in power. If your mythical, one chance elbow or chop kill strike fails, a pure wing chun practitioner has nothing on the ground to save them in their training.
TheTerrorUforgot 1 month ago
@TheTerrorUforgot its true that a karete chop would be difficult but wingchun you only need 2 inches to create a nice painful chop. However, considering he could be a experienced grappler and pull his arms in order to completely push you of balance I was thought to get a hold of the grapplers ears(its like making a punch with your hands while you are holding the ears)and turn the head as anything allowed in wingchun. i can also poke eyes. i can control his head with that move and make him blind
Shishaismelife 1 month ago
@Shishaismelife
when your talking about getting hold of ears and controlling grappler's head, i have to ask: have you ever grappled with even some half decent grappler? you don't seem to understand how fast those kind of situations are and what kind of forces there are to deal with. there's no time to get hold of ears and even if there is, it's the experienced grappler who is controlling the situation, not the other way around. big moves beat small ones, always.
MasterWarri 1 month ago
@MasterWarri lol dude I will NOT use wingchun against a grappler in real life. I am not a pure wing chun practitioner. I was just saying wing chun people have their options in those situations. I saw a fight between wingchun and mma. Both fighters were professional and one of them was over 60(wingchun). that ear move worked. Wing chun practitioners are extremely fast anything can happen in a fight. I am glad we had this discussion. I like people who have solid arguments.
Shishaismelife 1 month ago
@MasterWarri I saw your comment and just have to say.
I trained for a long time in BJJ under John Will
I also trained in Wing Chun under David Peterson
Both of them have their place and use as tools, neither one beats the other
Using Wing Chun I can quickly knee a shooter in the face if he goes for double leg TD's.
However, using BJJ, If I get close enough I can take the fight to the ground any time I want.
Good MMA is M-M-A (MIXED martial arts) everyone forgets that.
gambleyourhealth 4 weeks ago
@gambleyourhealth
knee to the face is very useful and very difficult to time while defending takedowns. the chances are that the knee misses. and besides muay thai would be better suited for learning knee strikes.
mma is mixed martial arts and in fact i look more for the techniques, not the styles. the techniques demonstrated in above video simply won't work against anyone who can grapple even a little bit.
MasterWarri 4 weeks ago
@MasterWarri im not talking about the techniques in this video. This guy is clearly not using the tools for the right job. You dont use a screw driver on something that needs a torque wrench.
That said I agree with most of what you are saying except for shoots being hard to defend against. I didnt learn my knees from Wing Chun, my knees come strait from FMA.
All im saying is "use the right tool for the job"
JKD says it well, "know when to flow from one art to the next"
gambleyourhealth 4 weeks ago
@MasterWarri that said, I still use Wing Chun principals on all my fighting styles.
FMA gives me the knees, Wing Chun hones that tool in with its centerline principal.
BJJ gives me great takedown and locking. Wing Chun principals allow me to get out of most grappling by not resisting. It also helps my BJJ because I can center force better. Etc Etc.
For me personally, the wing chun tool is Like a sharpening stone. Something small to be used to hone all tools.
gambleyourhealth 4 weeks ago
@Shishaismelife
actually it's not mma setting the rules, it's the organization. in early ufc's almost everything was allowed. in pride you could kick downed opponent and quite certainly could strike at the back at the head. watch gomi vs sakurai for example. sure, people die all the time when they fall and hit their head etc. but the chances for that kind of kill strikes are extremely low. chances that a boxer ko's you or grappler submits you are extremely high.
MasterWarri 1 month ago
ever heard of something called stuffing the take down?.....
It'll actually work on a real takedown =P
itachicrasian2 1 month ago
no grappler will attempt a takedown from that distance.thats ridiculous.hahahahaha
mixalhs89 1 month ago
I do not mean that he is apply the technique right. Yes I also learned that even when moving backward push forward. When the man in black go to grab the leg a mae keage or hiza gery should do the job . but all depend if the attacker had train or not.
elchalo66 1 month ago
soooooooo gay
RemiliaVampire 1 month ago
3 years old
WillyShiL 1 month ago
That is a takedown from somebody who never did wrestling or grappling in his life.
SchildEnVriend11 1 month ago
he has weird hair
SUSSAN200468 1 month ago
the black guy fall everytime from alone
smookingbox 1 month ago
Love wing chun hate this application
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I like wing chun but I would never punch the opponent's head as this guy does. That's one of the best ways to break your hands. You should aim the face, not the head. Head is HARD. LOL
vockla 1 month ago
Haha.
Ich wette diese Wing Chun Instructor hat niemals in seinem Leben richtig gesparrt!
7TabloidJunkie7 1 month ago
eso no es tae kwondo,ademas es un hombre ordinario, no un UFC.
belignos1 1 month ago
@belignos1 UFC es una compañía, y ahí dice TAKE DOWN no TAE KWON DO.
AlexLococo 1 month ago
Why don't you just jump so you could be on him when you touch the ground. If i were him i would jump and destroy his ankle or try to put my knee on his neck. a lot easier
rut119 1 month ago
@rut119 You don't see the problem with jumping while someone is trying to take you to the ground? That's an even worse idea than the technique in this video.
ThePinkMan 1 month ago
lmfao
fsbfsbfsbfsbfsbfsb 1 month ago
if a grappler whants to take you to thew ground he will
MrSpat06 1 month ago
@MrSpat06
i agree
DrWrongPaul 1 month ago
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Huesos138 1 month ago
i sprawl ... cause it works - this dosen'tt
MrSpat06 1 month ago
the deadly art of air drumming
Horace01 1 month ago
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1tructor 1 month ago
I... I don't know what happened... I shot the worst single leg pick of my life, and when I woke up, a man was gently pitter-pattering my head with his hands.
red19fire 1 month ago 43
@red19fire they cause damage to the brain, and the arms are relaxed allowing him to throw tens of punches
MegaTech09 1 month ago
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kajimusha 4 weeks ago
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kajimusha 4 weeks ago
@red19fire
Agreed
stallion5868 3 weeks ago
ahahahahahahahahahahahaha
fidanza07 1 month ago
he reminds of one of those crazy fools who fought in the first u.f.c .......and got smashed
numbnutone 1 month ago
Prove it at MMA OR UFC first.
jjesquivel 1 month ago
Have to laugh at all the "you never been in a real fight" or "in a real fight you're going down". Worst place toe ver go in a real fight is the ground as you leave yourself open to outside attacks and rarely is a real fight a "fair fight". Most real fights I've been in attackers who try to go to the ground are clumsy and sloppy about it and ususally start by spearing from a big distance.
chuckles2035 1 month ago
@chuckles2035
and have to laugh at all the "in teh streetz kung fu wins" comments. even though mma has some rules it's even still 100 times more realistic than the above video for example. there's no "too deadly to prove", it's "too theoretic to work".
MasterWarri 1 month ago
LOL!! what a lot of crap!!
frostyjohn2u 1 month ago
to MMA and UFC fans: you're right,you can't actually use this technique in real fight, but that's because this is not the proper technique.the real one is a lot dangerous and deadly and will break your opponent's neck.
SuperRaptor1995 1 month ago
@SuperRaptor1995 Pretty sure you can't shoot mystical energy balls from your hands or whatever during UFC fights.
red19fire 1 month ago
rubish and u obvoiusly u was neve in a real fight
sahiel5 1 month ago
tis is jiu-jitsu not taekwondo
isaiasblackrock 1 month ago
isso ae não é taekwondo é judo ou algo do tipo!
isaiasblackrock 1 month ago
Look at the distance between the two individuals before he beings the takedown, in a real situation nobody would attempt a takedown from that distance, the gap would be closed first.
MrBiggiesmalls95 1 month ago
@MrBiggiesmalls95 Except Brock Lesnar, he shoots from half way across the cage lol
Kinosis79 1 month ago
@Kinosis79 Yeaah but not everybody benefits from an insane wrestling history, or being built like a brick wall hhaha
MrBiggiesmalls95 1 month ago
@Micahel213 : (2nd reply) I was also wondering, the kung fu guy had the grappler by the neck for the first five seconds. Could he not break his neck?
blablabla1864 1 month ago
@piaten : Good movie. The silat guy is staying properly upright while he sometimes moves back a little. The grappler in the movie seems not committed enough to keep holding on to the opponent. Maybe he would not be able to take the initial kick, and the following punches, before he has a good hold. Like I said to Micahel213. And again: How about grabbing the balls? Anyway, put a knife or broken bottle in the scenario, and then grappling becomes very risky, it seems. Just digressing a bit.
blablabla1864 1 month ago
@Micahel213 : After watching your movies, I see you have a point. The grapplers, while grabbing on, take some serious abuse. But they are not letting go and when they have a good hold, they start hitting back. It seems it all depends on how committed the grappler is to not let go and make the takedown work. A lesser grappler might think: These hits are too much, I'm getting out of here. Maybe with some guy who can break a lot of bricks or something. And then how about nuts grabbing?
blablabla1864 1 month ago
nice technique
elchalo66 1 month ago
@elchalo66 youre kidding
78Banned 1 month ago
I try to understand, but as you can see the defender is walking backwards. Is the momentum not gone if the grappler doesn't make contact where he wants to, but like half a meter further? Even if the defender steps back and a bit to the side, isn't the main energy of the grab\push missing him? If so, then it would be possible to make at least some technique to the back of the neck or use the knee or something. I've personally been trained to hit or kick also when moving backwards, with power.
blablabla1864 1 month ago
@blablabla1864 Interesting reply! What you're describing is possible, it's just that most can't do it. Even those who say or think they can do it, actually can't. But some guys can!: /watch?v=7sj-QF9Cn6M&feature=channel_video_title
Attacking while moving backwards is easier said than done: There IS such a thing as keeping forward momentum/gravity even while moving back, but almost everyone mess up, backin up on their heels, and from this position all power, balance and control is lost.
piaten 1 month ago
@piaten Would the wing chun Pak-Da's count as an attack whilst moving backwards, or do you mean throwing punches with a backwards momentum? I've been told there should not really be any backwards movement in wing chun, as all thought and purpose should be directed forwards towards the opponents centre. I'm a passive person so i would likely use a lot of evasive techniques rather than meet the force head on. I would most likely keep running in the same direction as the grappler, all the way home!
razberryjam 1 month ago
@razberryjam I'm talking body mechanics here, not this technique vs that technique! To clarify: I'm not talking backward momentum. Backward momentum will get you killed! What I'm saying, is you can sorta keep a forward "momentum"/inclination even while taking one or two steps backward. This is sorta analogous to a wrestler sprawling, slidin both legs back, while droppin weight and leaning his upper body into the attacker like a lead carpet. You keep going forward even while movin backward!
piaten 1 month ago
@piaten
First parry looked like a sprawl. Second was a terrible attempt at a takedown.
Micahel213 1 month ago
@blablabla1864
You can never move back as fast as someone moves forward. Forget about hits to the back of the neck. You can never generate enough power. Now in these scripted scenarios you might pull it off to move back just fast enough to compensate for the forward momentum of your opponent. However, non-scripted the opponent will wait for the right moment, feint and shoot. Have a look at these vids: /watch?v=xP6fUrqbBTA , /watch?v=H-srqZb7Kbg , /watch?v=pvKRyTSr5Mo
Micahel213 1 month ago
It seems that if somebody in a match tries a takedown, the other one just lets him grab him, like he wants to be taken down. It seems more likely that in most real situations they will not be able to perform the takedown perfectly enough, leaving them open for defences like these. Which offcourse, are not allowed in a match.
blablabla1864 1 month ago
@blablabla1864 That's not it. As I stated earlier, moves like these can only work if the defender has a strong root and structure. Most practioneers of hitting/kicking arts, underestimate how much force a guy shooting can actually absorb, since he's got all the Neutonian laws of physics working for him. Also: You can't hit or kick effectively if you're being pushed backward -it's just impossible, since the body is constructed to be strongest while exerting force moving forward!
piaten 1 month ago
@blablabla1864
Do you have experience in the execution of takedowns? If you have you know this particular defence is not going to work. Especially when your opponent knows what he is doing. Your opponent will be using his momentum to bear you down. Not like this guy who just dives for the legs. A good takedown is not about power but as piaten says it's about physics. Imagine someone throwing a 175lbs bag of potatoes against your legs. Now imagine executing this technique.
Micahel213 1 month ago
boldy does not have a clue. what the hell is he doing!
tkosadi 1 month ago
These are bad takedown attempts. With the first he wasn't hip to hip or he didn't drop to a knee. No explosiveness or power the second was like someone from football trying to tackle you. And if you go up on one leg your completely off balancing yourself and could turn into a single leg
Hhswrestler99 1 month ago
@Hhswrestler99 agreed fully
tkosadi 1 month ago
this is a shit!!!! that is not taekwondo
santigem07 1 month ago
funniest takedown ever! try it with someone knows how to fight!Wing Chun is not for mma sorry. good against someone who does not have a clue. sorry
tkosadi 1 month ago
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ferguns1000 1 month ago
@ferguns1000 oku takedown tekvando değil!!! salak kim!
tkosadi 1 month ago
this vid is terrible, but why hasn't anyone laughed at that dude's hair?
inaantokkaba 1 month ago
@inaantokkaba As bad as his hair is, it pales in comparison to the techniques he's demonstrating.
MacFlanahan 1 month ago
1st.Wing Chun stance is one hand in front one at the back so you can protect your body 2rd.Wing chun dont have any hammer punches!!!
MrFreemanCy 1 month ago
Takeout vs. Dim Sum
socialdef3 1 month ago
probably on of the worst attacks ever..especially if they were that close to the defender or vice verser
woopass1234 1 month ago
hahaha he used a knee when the guy had already completed the double leg....so much fail
discoowl 1 month ago
You can tell that the attacker never played football. When you go for a tackle, you never stop driving through your opponent. He hits once then stops driving his feet. Your feet should never stop until he either breaks free or you drive him up and then down into the ground.
Yeah you should expect to get kicked or hit in the head trying to tackle someone like that.
supertruckertom 1 month ago
@supertruckertom This technique is actually supposed to be a double-leg takedown from amateur wrestling, but the concept is the same as in football. The guy in the red shirt would fail either way.
The takedown technique has already been proven to be effective even in arenas where you could get hit in the head trying to perform it.
ThePinkMan 1 month ago
is it true?its not fight this ...is not wing chun
SOJIOBO 1 month ago
Yeah, this is how to do it! Only thing is: For it to work against a real attack, one MUST have some root and a very strong body structure. Just knowing the techniques is not enough. Meaning: If one tried to pull this off while being slightly unbalanced, or backing op on one's heels, one would surely go down. Doing it from a strong, rooted structure, one should have a fair chance to withstanding the takedown long enough to take him out!
piaten 1 month ago
@piaten
Unfortunately I have to disagree with you on this. When someone goes for the takedown and passes your guard you will have to sprawl. An experienced grappler will have no need to lift the opponent. He might if he feels he can but he doesn't have to. Giving the leg like that will only work in his advantage. This person obviously has little to no experience with fighting grapplers. It doesn't matter how strong your structure is. You do not want a grappler at your legs. Trust me.
Micahel213 1 month ago 2
@Micahel213 I see your point, especially regarding the first example. The two others are better. By structure, I'm not primarily referring to how the stance looks, but how one uses opposing muscle groups to stabilize the crotch, hips, waist and legs, which is very similar to the sprawl. Sorta like an internal/invisible sprawl. I do that to good effect all the time, though I can't tell if the guy in the video can do it. Some Okinavan karate styles do this too, not sure bout Wado though..
piaten 1 month ago
@piaten
Wado prefers tai sabaki.
Micahel213 1 month ago
@piaten In grappling or wrestling competitions fighters adopt a strong, rooted stance similar to what you described. It makes them harder to take down because their center of gravity is lower and their base is stronger.
The problem is it's only just one piece of the puzzle. Used in conjunction with sprawling and conventional defense, it works great. Otherwise, it's just a half assed pseudo-concept that won't protect you against anyone who knows what they're doing.
ThePinkMan 1 month ago
@ThePinkMan Can't see any contradiction btwn this, and what I was saying.. Just to clarify: I'm not quite sure if the guy in red actually has what it takes to pull this off in a real situation. However, if one were to use WC (or IMA or most TMAs), with proper root/body structure, then it should LOOK somewhat like this. It's true that the double leg is an effective technique, but like any other technique, nothing's fullproof. Just look at the UFC!
piaten 1 month ago
@piaten I understand what you're trying to get across. My point was that most striking TMAs, in general don't have a complete toolset to deal with grappling unless cross-trained techniques are integrated into the curriculum.
ThePinkMan 1 month ago
@ThePinkMan I see! Kinda agree with you. Most TMA have lost their way, yet there are some who get it right! It's one thing lookin good with a compliant partner, quite another to try to deal with a trained wrestler comin at you full bore! -I've seen that happen a few times: The surprize in their faces, when all those pretty punches and kicks somehow don't have the desired effect, and how they freeze once they find themselves on the ground, with no clue what to do..
piaten 1 month ago
@piaten Would LOVE to see some video supporting you