The CIT Deception - pt. 1

[WymeWruscel]

YOU DEBUNK NOTHING!

PILOTS FOR 9/11 TRUTH'S FINDINGS, BACK UP CIT'S FINDINGS.

DEBUNK 7/7 YOU ENGLISH AZZHOLE!....CRAIG RANKE AND ALDO ARE CORRECT!

[brokenstyx]

@WymeWruscel

When everyone saw the plane hit the pentagon, what does it matter what PfT say?

I like how craig and aldo got many witnesses to say on camera that they saw the plane hit the pentagon. good work there guys.

[WymeWruscel]

@brokenstyx The CIT witnessess say the plane was on the NORTH side of the citgo and that it "GUNNED" the engines and the plan tilted UP! None of them were in a position to SEE THE IMPACT! They admit to that! Now watch the PILOTS for 9/11 truth video and they find that the ALTIMETER was not RESET on decent into the Pentagon, rendering the plane 400 feet above the official version. THAT PUTS THE PLANE OVER THE PENTAGON...That information is supplied by the FAA Black box data. WATCH IT AND LEARN.

[brokenstyx]

@WymeWruscel

Given that all witnesses saw the plane hit the pentagon, not fly over, which witnesses do you say are credible north-side witnesses? We can go one by one. Try to calm down and relax a little and you will get through this. More posts about 25 different points with a 500character limit full of capitals and rage don't ingratiate you to people who might read these discussions in the future.

[WymeWruscel]

@brokenstyx All CIT witnesses CONFIRM the NORTHSIDE FLYOVER as do PILOTS FOR 9/11 TRUTH'S analysis of the FAA data! You are showing you ignorance, stick to the facts not the personal attacks. Watch the presentations from PILOTS FOR 9/11 TRUTH...and PAY ATTENTION long enough to absorb the material. AND NOBODY SHOULD EVER STOP BEING ANGRY ABOUT GOVERNMENT DECPETION! THE OFFICIAL VERSION OF 9/11 WAS SCIENTIFICALLY IMPOSSBLE, FOR EVERY FLIGHT! DO YOUR RESEARCH! AND I CAN CARE LESS ABOUT DISCUSSIONS!

[flippersrox52]

Craig Ranke is a liar and deceiver. "National Security Alert" is a total fraud and disinformation.

[beauxq]

The sentence at 2:57 is false. He specifically points out the "do not enter" sign that is far from lightpole #1.

[brokenstyx]

@beauxq

no he doesn't.

[ThoughtWave64]

My question is, why are no photos released? There must have been photos. What reason could there be for not disclosing and publicizing one or two photos of the plane? I doubt the "security reasons" angle because I'm thinking security is irrelevant given that a giant lumbering commercial airliner can find its way without impedance right into the side of the building. Things just do not add up. Or, can it really as simple as the Pentagon's security is just dramatically incompetent?

[brokenstyx]

@ThoughtWave64

i reckon no good video/photo of the plane is released because they want speculation about it.

[Thetan1974]

Urgent Call Out to 9/11 Truthers:

FORGET THE FLY-OVER VS. HIT THEORIES ACCORDING TO THE PENTAGON!

WE MUST STAND TOGETHER BY THE FACTS THAT THERE IS:

- NO PROOF HANJOUR "DIT IT"

- NO PROOF IT WAS THE SPECIFIC "FLIGHT 77" THAT WITNESSES SAW OR FROM WHICH DEBRIS WAS FOUND

- NO PROOF OF HANJOUR'S DNA

- ABSOLUT PROVE THAT 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB DUE TO THE FLIGHT PATH. SOMETHING ELSE CLEARLY MUSTY HAVE KNOCKED DOWN THE POLES!

STAND TOGETHER AND STICK TO THE FACTS! FORGET THE FLY-OVER/HIT BS!!

[brokenstyx]

@Thetan1974

thetan, witnesses saw the plane hit the lightpoles and around its vicinity.  your key point (that there is not proof hanjour piloted the plane) is fair enough to me. the plane did the damage, but what piloted the plane? some pilots say it would have been impossible for a first-time pilot to achive what hanjour is supposed to have. i want more pilots' opinions.

[Thetan1974]

@brokenstyx

Yeah, yeah, What I'm on about is the "9/11 Truth movement" distorting stuff abour discussing wether the plane went over or hit

It's f*cked up..!

[Thetan1974]

@brokenstyx

Who say they saw the plane hit the light poles?

So, are all the witnesses in NATIONAL SECURUTY ALERT liars and plants to claim that they saw the plane approaching in a trajectory that was no near the light poles.

[brokenstyx]

@Thetan1974

which witnesses in particular? please give an example and i will try to help.

[Thetan1974]

@brokenstyx

Duh-what? You haven't watched "NATIONAL SECURITY ALERT"??

[brokenstyx]

@Thetan1974

clearly you haven't watched the video you're commenting on if you have to ask that.

name a witness who CIT claim saw the plane pass on the north-side of the gas station and i will explain to you why they are wrong. its not rocket-science.

[Thetan1974]

@brokenstyx

Eeerrr... You're saying that for instance officers Legasse and Brooks who'd "bet their lives on it" and couldnøt have SEEN the plane if it was in the south side, are wrong.

Sorry, but I really can't relate to this kind of dis-info.

[brokenstyx]

@Thetan1974

brooks was in no position to tell. lagasse's testimony was established from an incorrect position. you act like disinfo yourself lol

[Thetan1974]

@brokenstyx

"lagasse's testimony was established from an incorrect position."

Holy crap...

You have 10 people who all saw it NORTH of the Citgo. Or they all had a simultaneous "North Over Memory Loss"?

Well, the dis-info here is clearly on your side - or you're just mad.

[brokenstyx]

@Thetan1974

please list the ten people who saw it north of citgo. the vast majority were in absolutely no position to see.

[Thetan1974]

@brokenstyx

Right. And they all 10 just coincidentally happen to all THINK that they saw it NOC and concidentally draws the trajectory almost identically and absolute NOC?

Good one, JREF boy. Try to convince someone else - like an idiot or something.

[brokenstyx]

@Thetan1974

next time you try to comment, you might want to try and watch the video you're commenting on first. they answer your uneducated comments.

[brokenstyx]

@DeepSpace8andahalf

you clearly blindly believe anything PfT tells/sells you.

simply because a speed is outside of the recommended operating limits, does not mean it can not nor will not ever be achieved.

and i never said these planes were piloted by humans. ever.

everyone saw the planes at the WTC. many filmed them. there are no anomolous characteristics in the shape of the planes, and the engine from "175" found at the corner of Church & Murray is the correct engine.

the planes did it.

[brokenstyx]

@DeepSpace8andahalf

That's it DeepSpace - you've lost this debate now. With these two closing crackers:

"I'm not going to speculate on what part of the aircraft would have bounced off,"

hehe loser

and this:

"HOWEVER Note that in the majority of Airline crashes, the Tail section is visible and clearly identifiable, Please see pilotsfor911truthers.cash"

And what speed were they at? PfT are indeed in it for the money tho.

If this weren't my video i wouldn't bother responding after this.

[brokenstyx]

@DeepSpace8andahalf

it is a test of a barrier. the barrier stands up well. it doesn't survive intact. and the plane is clearly disintegrated.

the WTC wall obviously didn't stand up as well. maybe you expect whole plane parts to bounce off a wall at that speed.

the pentagon wall was reinforced. which piece do you think should have survived? can you name one please?

and where do you think this piece should have landed?

just one piece please. let talk about any single piece you like :)

[brokenstyx]

@DeepSpace8andahalf

Pilots for Truth are only interested in DVD sales, not truth.

A friend and I interviewed their "Core Members" in independant interviews, and they contradict PilotsforTruth's DVDs conclusions.

Real pilots, at the most, only question the accuracy of the impacts. Those planes could reach those speeds in sustained dives, and were witnessed doing those speeds, and debris matching those models was found.  That's that i'm afraid.

[brokenstyx]

@DeepSpace8andahalf

there is actually slight deceleration of "flight 175". the research for that is on the pumpitout forum, and is repeatable. but its not like the two objects are made of diamond. the plane naturally disintegrates in a 500mph collision (google sandia f4 phantom for an example of that).

being at 20 feet off the ground for last 0.1 seconds of flight is not impossible.

and a plane can get to that speed.

as to whether it can be piloted that precisely, i have my doubts.

[brokenstyx]

@DeepSpace8andahalf

"It is so totally improbable that all three crashes would exhibit the same characteristic"

the three 500+mph crashes into buildings shouldn't be similar? of course they should be similar. they were extremely similar events. with many witnesses.

that doesn't mean they weren't remote-guided of course. but people saw the planes hit. people like you and me.

[brokenstyx]

@DeepSpace8andahalf

they is just me idiot - you wish your opinions warranted some kind of special attention, but i'm afraid its just some guy telling you you've been tricked into thinking no planes hit on 911. go talk to some witnesses guy, or find some interviews with them or something.

just because planes hit, doesn't mean there was no conspiracy. chill out and get your facts straight and you'll feel better.

[brokenstyx]

@DeepSpace8andahalf

there were plenty of plane parts at the pentagon. if you think a plane travelling 800km/h is going to leave large wing or fuselage sections after hitting a reinforced concrete building, you're an idiot.

not to mention the fact that the pentagion is at the bottom of a hill, surrounded by buildings taller than it, that all have perfect views over the pentagon. if there was a flyover, it would have been seen by many people, but guess what? they all saw what really happened

[911ElephantRoom]

THis series is very well done.

Anyone who falls for the CIT Deception needs to watch your work here. Well done Sticks!, again.

[katyu16]

Just because the producers of this vid hired the GEICO LIZARD to narrate this crap doesn't make it true. This is disinformation.

[brokenstyx]

@katyu16

what makes it true is the facts presented - facts which you have not rebutted.

thanks for dropping by!

[katyu16]

This vid is WEAK compared to CIT. This is disinformation !!

[brokenstyx]

@katyu16

this isn't as "conspiratorial" as CIT's videos, but it contains facts, not lies and disinfo, like CIT's videos.

thanks for dropping by!

[CarnivoreEschelon]

@katyu16 no using preliminary FDR data sets is.

[CokeSupply]

@katyu16

My first impressions are the same - to be honest I expected it to be disinfo - I'm about to watch part 2 now - but so far I don't think this video has discredited anything

[JESUSSDAD]

i wonder why nothing shows up on the seismic activity data when the pentagon was allegedly hit?

the other 3 impacts certainly did

[diosmio99]

whatever hit the pentagon 911 penetrated steel and concrete MUCH more efficiently than the alleged planes did into the twin towers, through three rings at an appx' 45 degree angle with , unlike the towers, a forest of steel and concrete pillars. Does anyone remember official story apologists saying the 'pentagon plane' wings folded back into the fuselage when the nose impacted? no inertia?

[ianat841]

Heh, nothing like watching two sects of the same lunatic movement (9/11 "truth") battle it out. Keep at it guys, I'm getting the popcorn!

[JESUSSDAD]

thankyou brokenstyx for unwittingly aiding cit and their righteous efforts

[centrino105]

You are right Truthstorm this video itself is disinformation. CIT has done well and this video stinks of screw loose change or JREF disinformation.

[brokenstyx]

@centrino105

Thanks for the concisely pointing out your claims centrino :)

CIT is disinfo. Everyone can see that now.

[Truthstorm911]

CIT did an excellent thorough job. I see numerous holes in your logic and deceptions in your presentation. I have been through this material front to back. I would be happy to respond in detail on 911blogger however after 3 attempts to reach the board admins they are missing in action or ignoring me completely and my posts do not appear although I can still up and down vote posts. My name on blogger is atomicbomb.

[brokenstyx]

"after 3 attempts to reach the board admins they are missing in action or ignoring me completely and my posts do not appear "

awh :(

try 911Artists. i've issued a debating challenge there.

sign up, and good luck!

[Truthstorm911]

Nah I have no interest in "debating" people who have no intention whatsoever of honestly evaluating the other sides argument. What you want is a platform to lecture people as though you are the all knowing expert. You aren't. I will be posting on PFT soon so if you want to pop in and "debate" me or CIT go for it, you know my screen name. Good luck young fella.

[brokenstyx]

haha

CIT's lies depend on PfT's lies.

PfT's lies depend on CIT's lies.

[WTCdemolitions]

Five stars for effort, but this is a big effort! Good luck with the Pentagon mess! Lots of Pentagon witness accounts at channel 11septembervideos -- hope that helps.