Part 3: The Vaccine-Autism Connection

[mjr256]

Vaccines have no connection to autism whatsoever. There are just as many people w/ autism among unvaccinated populations than vaccinated ones & numerous studies failed to find any such link. And the only study that did suggest such a link came from a doctor who we know for a fact was paid by trial lawyers to discredit a vaccine & who even tried to patent his own rival vaccine that would have made him millions if only he'd succeeded in discrediting MMR. & even his co-writers reject his "findings"

[CJEB4]

I can't wait to have him work with my son, I will do before and after videos.

[thegstar15]

this guy is the king of all quacks

[kabloozie]

FAAPM: Fellow, Amer. Academy of Pain Management ( veterinarians and massage therapists can declare themselves a 'fellow')

DO: Doc. of Osteopathy (admission standards, educational quality are lower at ostep. schools than at medical schools, many DOs practice homeopathy and chelation therapies)

FACAM: Fellow, Amer. College for the Advancement of Medicine: chelation therapy alternative med.

FAAIM: Fellow of the Amer. Assoc. of Integrative Medicine (Alternative Medicine

[mjr256]

Oh, am I a paid shill...on YouTube? Really? LOL

I wish! I'd love to get paid to correct the misinformation of delusional a-holes like yourself who don't give a sh*t about truth or who they hurt. How much do you think the salary should be for someone to make comments all day on YouTube?

[fintogive]

i know him! im one of his patents at his facility. he's help me a bunch!

[mjr256]

Um, no thanks. That's where you & I differ. You consider any1 you find on the internet that agrees w/ your beliefs & sounds convincing as "scientific research" whereas I demand information actually pass through the scientific process of peer review & make it into reputable medical journals. I'm just a laymen. It's not me you need to convince. All it takes to convince me is that you convince the scientific consensus (95% or more of the experts in the field) first.

[thirdeyetemple]

i'd rather believe this guy than most doctors who just give u medication and send u home or tell this is all we can do..... wake up people! your health is your own responsibility so learn how to take care of yourself and you won't need a doctor!

[mjr256]

That's unfortunate bc as I showed some1 else on 1 of the other parts to this very video series, Buttar was investigated by The North Carolina Medical Board for malpractice & outright fraud last year & has been prohibited from treating children & cancer patients for their own safety.

Some health matters are far too complicated for the average person to gain a full understanding by visiting a few websites. & people can be easily fooled. That's why the scientific process is so important.

[bwhite53]

You are a mindless sheep. For years dermatologists have been telling us to avoid the sun. An avalanche of studies are now showing this to be terrible advice.

Sun exposure creates Vitamin D which recent studies show dramatically decreases the risk of death from all types (cardiac, cancer, etc)

And I'm not surprised a medical board went after someone with an alternative, efficacious, non-patentable, low cost solution...that happens all the time.

[mjr256]

Again, this is a red herring argument & totally irrelevant. If you're so certain vaccines cause autism, prove it by putting it through the proper scientific process. Anecdotes are worthless

It shouldn't surprise you a quack doctor performing dangerous, untested procedures on patients has been investigated & found guilty of gross medical fraud & malpractice. What's sad is how you just take Buttar's side w/o knowing any facts in the case, yet I"M the "mindless sheep."

[bwhite53]

Dr. Bernadine Healy head the National Institutes of Health (NIH) as its Director from 1991 to 1993. Healy studied at Vassar College where she graduated summa cum laude, earned her M.D. at Harvard Medical School, and completed her training in internal medicine and cardiology at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, where she rose to the rank of Professor of Medicine.

[bwhite53]

May12, 2008, in an exclusive interview, former NIH Director Dr. Bernadine Healy told CBS that the question of a link between vaccines and autism is still open for debate. She expressed dismay at the latest Institute of Medicine (IOM) Immunization Safety Review Committee's Report: Vaccines and Autism, that stated that the weight of the body of scientific evidence does not show a causal link between vaccines and autism, and that more research on the vaccine question is counterproductive.

[bwhite53]

Healy also said public health officials have intentionally avoided researching whether subsets of children are "susceptible" to vaccine side effects—afraid of what they might find and afraid the answer will scare the public into not getting their children vaccinated, and have intentionally avoided the kinds of scientific research studies that might show causality.

WOW FAR FROM SCIENTIFICALLY SETTLED!

[mjr256]

And this is the logical fallacy known as Argument from Authority. Cherry picking your experts doesn't change the overwhelming empirical evidence, which for some reason you won't address even though it's the only thing that actually matters. If you look hard enough, you can find a doctor who says smoking cures cancer. That doesn't make it true. Balance the number of experts for a conspiracy theory vs. the number against. We can't all be learned in everything. cont'd

[mjr256]

Often we must rely on experts. But the media requires 2 sides of an issue be shown. This often means discredited ideas are given equal weight in debate no matter how lopsided the experts are on the issue. Take Global Warming. Most educated in the issue say it's man-made while a handful disagree. This doesn't mean it's necessarily caused by humans, just that the vast majority of learned people who look at the scientific facts conclude it is. They might be wrong but the odds are in their favor.

[bwhite53]

Wow you are on the wrong side of the global warming--oops I mean "Climate Change" since there has been a discernible cooling trend in the last couple of years--debate as well.

Indeed 650 of the leading climatologists at the U.N. Global Warming conference in Poznan, Poland, stated "man-made global warming is a media generated myth without basis".

So exactly what facts are you talking about? AL Gore who said the debate was closed. You have zero specifics and argue in broad platitudes.

[mjr256]

So you just basically seek out people who take the positions you already hold, don't you? 650 "leading climatologists?" Please. By whose standards? So what do you think? Is the Earth 6000 years old too? Cause I can find scientists who will say an older Earth is just a myth too.

"You have zero specifics and argue in broad platitudes." As do you. Yeah, we're kinda limited to 500 characters here. And given your denial of volumes of literature on the subject, it'd be a waste of my time.

[bwhite53]

Specifics:

1. More CO2 and particulates were released into the atmosphere from the eruptions of Kīlauea and Krakatoa than all of human industrial activity combined.

2. An error in an ocean buoy indicated that the ice shelf was in fact underestimated in size by an area the size of CA and was in fact not shrinking.

3. A British court ruled Al Gores documentary was littered with at least nine provable errors and can only be shown as political propaganda and not science.

[bwhite53]

I could continue but you resort to 8th grade debate tactics and have zero intellectual integrity!

I directly respond and you attempt to obfuscate the issue...you are pathetic.

[truvelocity]

Anecdotes are taken very seriously. That is how a study begins, with anecdotes based on placebo versus trial after the LD50 rating for a drug is measured. Unfortunately, vaccines do not go through the same safety and efficacy testing before they get the rubber stamp of approval by those unqualified to check for safety and efficacy.

[mjr256]

Anecdotes are taken seriously when there is empirical evidence & plausibility going along w/ them. Anecdotes alone are scientifically worthless. They, like eyewitness testimony, are among the lowest grade evidence there is. Studies begin w/ hypotheses, not anecdotes. Vaccines go through years of clinical testing before reaching the market. That is the law. And specific studies have disproven Butter's claims. They can be found here: daneroustalk net/a-team/Vaccines

[truvelocity]

I agree with most of what you are saying but the rest I have to look into. However, their are measurable evidence based on medical charts and that's why its so important to classify what is "risky" or "at risk" for multiple vaccinations. What is considered safe? What is considered an assault on the immune system? These things need to be studied and have not, yet. No triple blind placebo cross over vaccination study has been done, yet.

[mjr256]

It's the job of experts to verify the safety of every medical treatment & weigh the risks vs. benefits. If the risks are too high to ethically justify, the treatment isn't used. No treatment is 100% safe but vaccines come very close. Experts do understand how the immune system reacts to vaccines. So when I see others cite diseases like GBS, I find it frustrating given that the odds of getting GBS from a vaccine is 1:1,000,000. I think what's being demanded ranges from unrealistic to impossible.

[immayhem]

The problem is that 'experts' you refer to are paid to come to conclusions which support maximum profit and minimal liability of the phramaceutical corporations.

the H1N1 'vaccine', has had virtually no testing, and yet they are about to make it mandatory.

i'm starting to see a pattern here. you're a paid shill. youtube is full of you people.

[Awake4Truth]

@mjr256 more like 1:110 Youtube - Autism Shocking Testimony About Vaccines !

[mjr256]

But of course it's ultimately an irrelevant argument how many countries fluoridate their water because that's just an ad populum argument. Even if only 1 single person in the entire world fluoridated their water or if nobody did it, that doesn't change the science anymore than if the entire world believed the moon was made out of green cheese. It's the evidence you have to challenge, not the number of people who do it.

[thecabininthewoods]

No, I don't have to challenge anything. The science is already out on sodium fluoride, and the science says it's madness to add it to the water supply.

As for your mentioning of the UK, Spain, etc.. the vast majority of their water is not fluoridated. It is only in a handful of areas.

Fluoridated salt is an option - and it's calcium fluoride - used if the citizen wants it. For that matter, it has proven to be pretty much useless.

Humans use to think DDT was good. And Asbestos. And smoking.

[thecabininthewoods]

The United States is backwards and behind the times.

I suggest you watch "The Fluoride Deception" for starters.

[mjr256]

"The United States is backwards and behind the times." When it comes to religion, yeah. When it comes to hard medical science we're right up there w/ the best of them.

"I suggest you watch "The Fluoride Deception" for starters."

And I suggest you read a reputable book by some1 who actually knows what they're about. So I guess we're both going to be disappointed.

[mjr256]

Bullshit. What is your source? & your Spain comment is moot on 2 levels:

1. I was responding to your claims that "almost all first world nations have rejected water fluoridation." Spain hasn't rejected fluoridation as you yourself admit.

2. As I've already stated the whole argument of counting who fluoridates & who doesn't is scientifically irrelevant.

& just saying, look, smart people were wrong in the past, therefore I'm right is not a logical argument, so the last statement is fallacious.

[elucidatus]

"Bullshit. What is your source? & your Spain comment is moot on 2 levels:"

Maybe you are right about spain but you should google this -

"Most Countries Reject Water Fluoridation

Statements from European and other Health, Water, & Environment

Authorities on Water Fluoridation"

Then get back to whomever...

Do your homework genious! Its not rocket science. Just like Gosky said, "You don't pull on Superman's cape"

[mjr256]

Which government research are you talking about?

And why is government research that you think agrees with you acceptable but any government research that disagrees with you part of an evil conspiracy? Convenient, no?

dangeroustalk net/a-team/Vaccines

stopjenny com

[mjr256]

Buttar is a fraud who has actually been barred from treating children and cancer patients. He's even admitted that he had no empirical evidence for his claims; he simply "believes" vaccines cause autism despite overwhelming evidence that he is wrong & takes money from desperate parents turning to him for treatments he claims will cause their children to "recover" even though there is no known method for "curing" this condition. Please consult your pediatrician or other medical professional.

[thecabininthewoods]

Go ahead and tell the classroom that sodium fluoride is perfectly fine to ingest.

[mjr256]

What the hell does that have to do with anything? Now you're ranting like a lunatic. Lots of companies have the "big money." That's how society runs. Medical policy is determined through evidence, like every other scientific discipline. Every study must show all the work & you can't fake it & get away w/ it for too long (as Andrew Wakefield found out). Vaccines have been proven to NOT cause autism through overwhelming evidence.

[thecabininthewoods]

Medical policy is not determined through evidence, and the evidence has repeatedly made this determination. Law enforcement policy, medical policy, in the United States, is no longer trustworthy or valid. Money controls every move.

'Vaccines' cause autism.

[mjr256]

That's so easy to reduce such complicated systems to being controlled exclusively by money. But if money actually controlled every move in medical science, the U.S. would not have made the breakthroughs with stem cell research that we have in the past few years because government restricted the funding. Ultimately, scientific research & the funds for that research go to areas that show the most promise. That's why we've moved on from investigating phantom dangers in vaccines, it was a dead end.

[thecabininthewoods]

You can call 'vaccines', 'phantoms', and you can call water fluoridation, 'beneficial'; doesn't make it so.

The government once declared DDT and asbestos 'safe', and the majority of people believed it.

It is not hard to convince most people of the most inane of ideas and practices. Including run-of-the-mill scientists and doctors.

[mjr256]

No, overwhelming evidence makes it so. People have been whining about fluoride for decades w/o a single legitimate peer-reviewed study to prove harm whereas good studies show the benefits. Same w/ vaccines. 17 studies now falsify anti-vaccine claims to the zero reputable studies showing harm

The government is not the same thing as a scientific consensus. & the burden of PROOF is still on those claiming harm. SHOW ME THE STUDIES!

cont'd

[mjr256]

cont'd

Sure you can fool a few doctors (as the anti-vaccine movement proves) but it's damned near impossible to get bad science through the peer review process & build a scientific consensus around it.

[thecabininthewoods]

I'm sorry, but you live in a world of delusion that mostly exists in the United States.

The vast majority of First World nations have rejected water fluoridation - and have the same rate of caries, or lower, as the United States.

[thecabininthewoods]

Water fluoridation is, at best, forced medicating of people who know little to nothing about sodium fluoride.

You mention studies, and every study of fluorides has shown the toxicity of them - including the original studies used to promote water fluoridation.

Do you think Japan or China or The Netherlands are backwards countries for rejecting fluoridation?

[mjr256]

"forced medicating"? IT PREVENTS TOOTH DECAY!!! That's it! "every study of fluorides has shown the toxicity of them" BULLSHIT! U.S. water is monitored constantly for toxins. Detailed data from numerous peer-reviewed studies is compiled on the CDC's webpage. I recommend listening to Environmental Engineer Kelly Comstock go into the process in which water goes from the reservoir to people's taps at length on the Skepticality podcast #58.

[mjr256]

And not making a major financial investment in something that isn't absolutely necessary isn't "backward," but yes, China is a backwards country. Why not model the health policies of Afghanistan while you're at it?

[thecabininthewoods]

Europe, which is 98% fluoridation-free, has very low level of tooth decay.

Tooth decay is the result if poor diets, poor care, and genetics - not absence of fluoride.

"Certainly, there has been more litigation on alleged damage to agriculture by fluoride than all other pollutants combined."

- Dr. Leonard Weinstein (Cornell University, 1983)

[mjr256]

Random guy from 1983--nice.

I'M CONVINCED!!!

"All water naturally contains some fluoride. Adding or maintaining tiny levels of fluoride in drinking water is a safe and effective public health measure to prevent and control tooth decay (dental caries)"

-Centers for Disease Control and Prevention website (2009)

[StorminNormin1977]

Sodium Fluoride vs. Calcium Fluoride... which is the quote refering to, and which is added to water...

[mjr256]

It varies from sodium fluoride, fluorosilicic acid, or sodium fluorosilicate. Sodium fluoride is the reference standard. And after 50 years of water fluoridation in the U.S. and nearly 50 years in many other countries, there's no good evidence of harm.

[thecabininthewoods]

What is added to the water is a waste byproduce of the aluminum industry.

The 'science' used to justify it - from the very beginning - was flawed and doctored up - and would be rejected today. Accordingly, almost all first world nations have rejected water fluoridation.

[mjr256]

What is added to the water prevents tooth decay. That's it. & it's obviously not rejected today. It's also used by the UK, Spain, Ireland, Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Columbia, Hong Kong, Israel, Korea, Malaysia, New Zealand, the Phillippines, Singapore & Vietnam, not to mention the 50 million people who use water naturally fluoridated to optimal levels in Africa, China, and India. & much of Europe like France & Germany fluoridate their salt instead of their water.

[mjr256]

Show me documentation that any 1st world nation "rejected water fluoridation." The fact is the U.S. has 1 of the best supplies of drinking water in the world.

But suppose other countries did "reject" fluoridation. SO WHAT? That's irrelevant data. It neither proves harm nor falsifies the studies showing benefits to fluoridation.

So where's your EVIDENCE of harm? Where's the clinically controlled, peer-reviewed studies that show this? In science, like in math, you gotta show your work.

[thecabininthewoods]

From our experience in Israel and the world when the fluoride issue is studied from all aspects it is rejected. (Representative Shimon Tsuk, Israeli Parliament)

[thecabininthewoods]

You need to research the research. I already have.

Fluoridation is toxic.

[thecabininthewoods]

Also, I forgot to add that the 'safe' levels of fluoridation are for calcium-fluoride, "..not the hazardous waste by-product which is added with artificial fluoridation."

What's dumped in is a hazadous waste by-product... sodium fluoride.

[mjr256]

Israel? You're going with Israel as your example of "the vast majority of First World nations?" Really? You don't want to look at England or France or Germany or Denmark or Sweden or Canada? You think Israel has a better health policy than the U.S.? Seriously? LOL

[amiriliano]

Please watch my new video "Vaccine Myths 2 - The Great Graph Illusion"

Thanks

[Haden1113]

Medicaid should pay for services and anything else has to be donations among the community to help support your attempts to "fix" your child. But love is all they need that happens to be free.

[elucidatus]

Medicaid? LMFAO!!! Haden please learn all that you can first about insurance and what your insurance company will and will not cover before you talk about it. I mean what are you a hippy? All we need is love? Tell that to your insurance company when they won't even cover a small percentage of your child's therapies.

[Haden1113]

A Hippie? Sorry that was before my time. I guess you are old and bitter. Try to pray to God for understanding how our children are blessed not bad for having autism. They are without sin and very loved by God.

[nmste]

Think about it how expensive is it to do the kit and kaboodle???? the expensive whole foods, g/free, c/free diet, the chelation, the supplements to replenish, the OT, the speech therapy, and any other extra activity you can think of, the candida issue, on and on, they don't want to pay for that

[nmste]

Ok, I am going to just get right to the point,

here it is, again

doctors do not want to admit that chelation and supplements work because,,,,drumroll

If they do then the private insurance companie and medicaid will have to pay. chelation takes expertise, monitoring and periodic testing, it is costly and since the medical INDUSTRY is bent on pillpushing, it is cheaper to dope them up and say nothing more can be done

[thecabininthewoods]

The 'big drug companies' have the 'big money', and they dictate medical policy in the United States. I feel for those still in the dark on this issue.

[vaccinesharmbabies]

My friend Sharon's son who became autistic as a result of vaccination reverted back to normal after the vaccine mercury was detoxed from his body. Check out Sharon's comments at the end of my personal profile by clicking on 'vaccinesharmbabies'.

[thecabininthewoods]

There is a stunning degree of cognitive dissonance that pervades the United States. It is so pervasive that common sense is now as rare as a snow leopard.

'Vaccines' cause brain damage - because - of what is in them - and the number of them given. The body of a human, much less a small, developing human, cannot safely absorb them. This has been repeatedly shown in actual government research.

[thecabininthewoods]

Curiously enough, the majority of doctors do not have their children 'vaccinated' as most American children are - much less at the same rate.

Elected, government officials have been briefed on the side effects and harmful nature of these 'vaccines' - but to cover their own tracks - and maintain nice big checks flowing from the powerful companies that produce the 'vaccines - have pushed this issue aside.

[ABAisSCIENCE]

You write the following, but I ask for more than a fiction book. Give me an article with population study because that is what you are implying with "Believe me when I say this & we have video proof that children who are on a protocol either with a DAN Doctor or with a General practitioner get better results that are retainable than a child on ABA alone!" ABA proved "retainable" by the way on a population without DAN. Have you?

[ABAisSCIENCE]

You offer video. I ask for a research article which your own words imply, but there isn't one.

[ABAisSCIENCE]

davidchenard,

I did not reply to you with an article because you asked for a cure. If you don't take the below as a cure reference and rather a functioning possibilities study, then the point is that no one anywhere has conducted even one study to prove any treatment of toxicity as valid. That is a problem and it needs to be remedied by scientific inquiry like other scientific inquiries otherwise we stay at the point of hypothesis and hot air. Along with people pinning hopes on hot air.

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[ABAisSCIENCE]

Davidchenard, (continued)

There are over 600 articles published in peer reviewed journals that demonstrate the efficacy of ABA teaching strategies for children with ASD. 16 of these articles are studies showing "indistinguishable" as possible. Are we evaluating how many of your single cases also did ABA during those two years? Many interventions are riding on coat tails.

Why not ask for proof? That's all I did.

[ABAisSCIENCE]

Your a doctor surely it should come as no surprise that I would say the next time you put an hour program on you mention a research article.

[davidchenard]

Can you name two research articles that support the hypothesis that specific treatment provides the cure to a serious or life threatening disease? What cures do you ever prescribe for an ailment? I'm not talking about masking symptoms of a disease - I mean a cure. You aren't allowed to cure anything. If you ever start curing a disease, you will be stopped.

[ABAisSCIENCE]

What is your point? I did not even talk about a cure. I asked for a research article. Can you reference one? If not then it is merely talk. It appears you are speaking hot air as leukemia was a death sentence in the past and now it is not. You don't need a research article for that one.

[davidchenard]

Oh I see. Research articles must be provided by other people to support their arguments, but they aren't when the argument is yours. My point was that the lack of published findings that support a cure hypothesis for anything will be hard to find, and the lack of any doesn't disprove a hypothesis or suggest it is inaccurate. Clearly a case must be made for repeated testing of a hypothesis before articles can be produced that support it. He doesn't claim anything proven.

[davidchenard]

Now that I explained my point, can you answer the question? If yes, then what are they? If not, then what is your point in asking him to provide a "research article" to promote his hypothesis? The scientific method has an order, and it doesn't start with proof. People aren't "speaking hot air" if you don't get it, and why would my question require support to be asked? Can you answer or not? Say yes or no.

[ABAisSCIENCE]

Davidchenard,

Look above for more, but when one presents they should start with proof or go back to the labratory. Unless he is willing to admit he's talking about snake oil right now.

[EnigmAutism]

Dear ABAisSCIENCED,

You need to get over yourself because we already know that ABA is effective but how effective is it when a child is not on supplements or on the GF/CF Diet or perhaps doing some type of chelation? Believe me when I say this and we have video proof that children who are on a protocol either with a DAN Doctor or with a General practitioner get better results that are retainable than a child on ABA alone!

[EnigmAutism]

How can you explain that something is not working? I mean could it be the supplements alone? the diet itself? or a combination of one of the above with chelation therapy? The answer is we don't know. Could it be that these children are getting better as they age? possibly but then again you cannot say that his TD-DMPS is not working. You want proof? You will just have to wait and see. We know for sure that ABA alone is not as effective as ABA in conjunction with prayer and a good protocol.

[ABAisSCIENCE]

EnigmaAutism,

Get over myself? I ask a doctor to show evidence and somehow because I dare to ask the doctor I am full of myself. Did you know that those who get better service come prepared with their questions? Try it sometime.

[ABAisSCIENCE]

For a particular child the effort put forth can be eclectic, but be careful to not state what causes what when doing such research unless you've got evidence. Still without data carry on if it is working, just like pray without ceasing is fine too. If your successful stories are always with ABA too, why be so attacking towards me?