clearly behavior in and of itself is not an illness.... hardly relevant nor is it an issue... several also seem to stress "physical illness" as if it were separate from mental illness.... entirely wrong despite popular belief schizophrenia, severe depression, OCD are entirely neurological and thus physical... pretending that people who have serious mental illness are just "behaving" or have a physical illness... yes they do that physical illness its called mental illness
@JimBowie1133 It depends on definitions. Benjamin Rush father of American psychiatry signed the Declaration of Independence. He said Blacks skin color was due to disease! In 1850's Sam Cartwright coined "drapetomania" to refer to slaves wish to escape! In the 1870's the NY Times spoke of "dress reform disease" referencing women who wanted to wear pants! Psych enforces the social order by calling "disorders" attempts to alter any salient part of the established order! Psych = F-R-A-U-D!!!!
@jussts What he's saying is that REAL DISEASE (i.e. a PHYSICAL health problem) can impact the functioning of the brain (i.e. mind), thus causing things like depression, confusion, paranoia, etc. Those things can NOT be placed together and labeled as mental illness. They would be SYMPTOMS of the health problem. Crying is not a disease. Depression is not a disease.
@thesentinelonline and yeah I get it. You're criticising a label "mental illness". What's the label on your jeans say? Or your jocks? $2 jocks are still going to have SOME label on them aren't they? Everything gets labelled. You may not LIKE the fact that what you have to endure is labelled as a mental illness but shit happens. PTSD is real and has been given a label in order to diagnose it. And if it's not dealt with adequately it can lead to other mental illnesses..so be careful sunshine!
@SilverTminus10 give weed long enough and you'll learn the same thing I did. Instead of being BIpolar you'll just be depressed. Seriously - stop smoking weed!! All it does is fuck with your head worse than Lithium does. These "pillz" have been created for a reason. If pot was the cure then what would be the point? You want a cure? Try Lamotrigine. It's the only thing that's ever worked for me. Sorry if you don't like the assumptions...maybe you need to look into that further.
@thesentinelonline excuse the belated comeback but I was too busy travelling to check my youtube account. To retort by telling me to take my meds shows how ignorant you are. But you go right ahead and continue living with your "flashbacks" and your "trauma" for as long as it gets you out of dealing with your "ass" and living a fulfilled life. Afterall, while I've been travelling for 7 months what have you been doing? Surfing youtube daily no doubt...FUCK OFF AND TAKE ANOTHER TOKE FROM YOUR J
@SilverTminus10 so essentially you're saying if you just stay stoned then your OCD is cured? Do you have a full time job? Do you function as a normal valid member of society? By the sounds of it I doubt that you do. In order to live what most on this page would call a "normal" life you need to conform to what society believes you need to be. For me with Bipolar that requires regular medication so I DON'T have manic days where they believe I'm too happy or days when I'm too depressed.
@thesentinelonline I suffer flashbacks due to traumatic experiences. Medication subsides the flashbacks so you can deal with the traumatic situation and move past it. If your life is distrupted by traumatic experiences, then you have a mental illness called Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. And your mental health does NOT function normally or you wouldnt' be "distressed" by said "fucked up situations". "Mental illness" IS stigmatizing to those who do not have it. You sound plain ignorant now.
My mom is a holistic healer. She says ADHD is just a displacement of energy that can be cured by discipline of the mind and body. Practicing things like martial arts or sports are a better cure than drugs. Even friendly, competitive games like chess help alot. People with "ADHD" can be really good at things that "normal" people find very difficult. There's no reason to call it a disorder. It can be a gift.
So my psychosis is not a disease???? Than I beg you tell me how I can be rid of it without the medication thats working well right now. And FUCK OFF if youre gonna give me the holy garbage.
@TheCaptainLulz unless someone has seen what a person in psychosis has to endure they have no fucking clue. I love your statement....you're bang on right. In the midst of psychosis people make no sense and unfortunately the one they are hurting the most is themselves. Rationality doesn't enter into the situation. Stay strong and stay on your meds. 10 yrs off meds taught me the hard way that they ARE the only thing that can give you any sort of consistancy in life. Well done to you!!!
he fails to also point out that there is no such thing as attention defecit disorder as it is just made up as a way to control and manipulatie parent of kids. Its beyond belief that half the population will believe whatever sombody tells them because they have a label psychiatrist. if so called mental disorders were really a disorder then why would we of been given the abilitiy to experience something. why would what nature already intended be an illness.
@210482fmj You don't need to convince me. Not wanting to take their drugs is itself a psychiatric illness, thus anybody who refuses to see a psychiatrist and take their drugs...needs psychiatric drugs. If I were to tell somebody they needed to see a shrink, and they said they didn't want to because they don't need to and they didn't like the stigmatization, I could call that paranoia.
@libertyeconomics i find it disturbing that they will sedate somebody who says they feel suicidal. they would rather sedate somebody with drugs than give them something nice like a trip on noliday r something to make them feel better. the drugs cost more than a holiday would. it shows you the kind of people who run this world. if they had any niceness in them they could offer them something to cheer them up like a holiday.
Considering that I've have had mental illnesses since childhood and have been on meds. I can say that I have NEVER experienced this so called "abuse." Nor has anyone that I have met. They actually helped me. With the help of meds I was able to graduate high school. I can almost guarantee if someone who opposed psychiatry started showing signs of mental illness, they'd seek help.
@thesentinelonline if all it took was for me to merely stop thinking I had a mental illness then believe me I would. your ignorance on chemical imbalances in a person's brain are neandertholic and create ignorance within our society. just because some old fast whom like yourself has no concept of emotions he can't control says so doens't make it right. I would rather rely on understanding people who can actually make my life worth living again as opposed to self proclaimed intellects such as you
@thesentinelonline don't patronise me for starters. and my point was YES FFS I have a mental illness and whilst I was in denial about it for so long, it took medication to acutally prove to me that it does in fact exist. I TRULY wish you had bipolar or schizophrenia. your opinions on this topic are invalid. are you saying that people who hear voices that they can't control are just full of shit? no dear boy I do believe it is you who is full of shit. continued
for a person to work through their psychological problems, it is quite often necessary for them to medicate in order to be able to do this. If you suffer from severe depression you seriously don't give a crap about finding the silver lining. You truly couldn't give a fuck if it rained every day. Therefore, to enable the patient to begin psychological treatment and progress with it, they more than likely will need medication in order to have a healthy mindset to be able to start the healing
@thesentinelonline I gained very little sense from your comment sorry. If you read my post correctly I quite clearly state that medication must be part of a holistic approach to living with a mental illness and that psychotherapy is a must. I can't even work out if you are saying you DO have a mental illness or not? Perhaps you have a drug induced psychosis?
I also agree though that Psychology is an integral part of dealing with mental illness. I refuse to see a Psychiatrist (my GP gives me my scripts) but see my Psychologist every fortnight as I have done for the past 2 years. A person CANNOT rely solely on their medication to live a full life with a mental illness. It must be a holistic approach.
He's a moron!!! I've suffered from mental illneses all my life. I know that regardless what you label an illness - as in defining it rather than pigeonholing it into the original 6 or 7 labels - the medication works. If I miss a day of my antipsychotic medication I can feel the difference in my mood and in my ability to utilise my CBT skills I have spent years refining. In my opinion, unless you live it and rely on these medications to get you through a normal day, you have no right to comment.
It sounds like he is not only casting stigma upon psychiatry, but also psychology. I find it a bit misleading to claim there is no such thing as a mental illness. Psychiatry may be pill pushers, but psychology aims at improving a persons well-being without drugs. If one were to follow this logic, concepts such as love, happiness, sorrow, grief etc. would not exist because they are not tangible, measurable components. Psychology is amazing if one understands it how it differs from psychiatry.
@Preacha1111 He doesn't confuse psychiatry and psychology at all. I am fully cognizant of the differences as well. A psychiatrist drugs. There is, however, a legitimate purpose for psychology and psychologists.
@libertyeconomics I only assumed this because he said if there is a problem (i.e., mental issue) he does not want to know how you feel". Either way, I study psychology and find it comforting that you, a sincere critic, find value in my profession.
@libertyeconomics Legit? Like psychologist Horace English who said in 1958 that women in pants were transvestites? Like the school psychologist who told me I was sick in the head because my socks were mismatched? Like the psychologist who told me if a Scot started wearing his costume everywhere, he'd be sick in the head? Psychologists are to psychiatrists what Hitler youth were to Gestapo. All "clinically normative mental health professionals" and 100% unmitigated assholes!
@skirts365 , Psychiatry may be a fraud, but mental illness is very real. What approach do you suggest should be used in studying and treating mental illness if biological approaches are fraudulent?
@JimBowie1133 1st the term mental illness needs constraining; it can be & is used at whim to call any activity anyone dislikes a "disease." That's a strategy, not a fact. Mental illness can be an aneurysm; tumor; head injury; alzheimer's etc (real diseases!) Behavior is NOT "illness!" It's dangerous to medicalize behavior! Medicine can't treat moral problems! Disagreements & conflicts are called "illnesses" and that's more fraud! Compare to the Inquisition & witch hunts "mental illness!"
@skirts365 , So how do we conceptualize these 'behaviors'? I understand that technically a behavior is not an illness per se. But what of compulsive behaviors like trichotillomania - compulsion to pull hair out - if this behavior is not an illness, would you consider it a mental disorder? Or are you saying there are no such things as mental disorders?
@JimBowie1133 No need to conceptualize; your example is a response to life's problems; ease the problem, solve the manifestation. Problems are not disorders! If a bookcase is toppled, books spill across the floor, you can call that disorder; but if the case & books are yours, it's not anyone else's biz to decide how you arrange them is "disordered." The psych cult continually alters terminology & invents terms to make it seem as if progress in science is taking place; it's more regimentation!
@Preacha1111 He is not saying there are not psychological disturbances, But mental illness taken out of context and conceived/diagnosed like a kidney or bio-genetic markers is an illusion. Affect disturbances are potential/real disturbances between others in an INTERPRETATIVE Social context. The criteria for ADHD (e.g., read DSM IV, V) is entirely subjective. ADHD/children: Calling out of turn, sloppiness, squirming in the seat, fidgety, talks excessive, sloppiness, etc.,...continued
are social disturbances (disruptive to classroom control management) and extremely profitable enterprises, such as administrating dangerous psychotropics to CONTROL symptoms, that might or might not be disturbances in other contexts. Using that Nazi criminal BRAVE NEW WORLD thinking then Einstein to Mozart to Telsa, to Bill Gates would have all been placed on a psychotropic regiment and the world would be far less richer. This is not to say that psychological trauma doesn't exist but it is....
criminal to regard attachment disorders and other psychological-emotional disturbances as one would diagnose a physical disease and treat the symptoms with meds (psychotropics).
I agree to a certain extent, as I also agree with Dr. Szasz to a certain extent, but I believe that there is much more to psychology than any textbooks would ever disclose. Astrology is said to be a psuedoscience by many, but there is documented merit from a scientific perspective. The psychology that Dr. Szasz is utilizing is from the perspective of an Aries, as he is an Aries. Psychology is differrent for all astrological types, whether diagnosing, or being diagnosed...
There is certainly a major difference between psychology and psychiatry. I agree. I believe that psychiatry is much more of a psuedoscience than astrology, as I mentioned. Psychology is a hard science, as is astrology, but people don't understand that psychology, as a stand-alone science, is not accurate across the board as a college textbook would recommend. There is a different psychology for each different astrological type. This is why some people feel comfortable talking...
...to 1 person about a subject, but does not feel comfortable talking to another, absebnt any personal reasons (which may have also been caused by astrological differences). This is why 1 psychologist will have a different perception than another, given the same patient and the same topic, with different methods utilized and different recommendations offered. Astrologically, I am a natural psychologist. I understand that psychology is real, but there are astrological variables.
Narconon facilities in California were cited repeatedly for violations by state inspectors. Violations included administering medication without authorization, having alcohol on the facility, and not having proper bedding for clients. Narconon has also attempted to silence opposition, including sending letters to neighbors of a proposed facility in Leona Valley, California threatening legal action for criticism. CULT
And less of the DSM worshipping mindless chart consulters.
I have to waste my time and see one of these fascists today and I am preparing some printed material for her, even though she is so biased she most likely will not read it once she realizes what it is about (How fraudulent and corrupt her 'industry' is)
Yes a behaviour is NOT a disease but if behaviour limits a childs education because he can't learn in the SYSTEM and his behaviour also limits others opportunities to learn then why not give him a drug (not poison) that helps him succeed in his goal to learn. If I'm psychotic you can lock me up, let me kill people or myself....or give me a drug! (or perhaps hand me over to cult so they can drain my bank account and let me "Kill myself")
@kookyuke All Psychiatric drugs are neurotoxins despite your argument.
Your view of PSYCHOTIC ( a label and stigmatism created by the psych-pharm industry) is that if they are not locked up they will kill someone? I saw a psychiatrist and after 3 minutes she said she thought I was psychotic and wanted me to take poison. YES, these drugs cause tardrive disconesia which is BRAIN DAMAGE. Psychiatry is a Fraud !! I am not psychotic so effectively she wanted to poison me for profit !!
@kookyuke thats a good argument those 60 years must have worn down his scientific mind... It would have been possible to discredit psychology 20-30 years ago but as time goes on so does progress and it is now a FACT that psychology is not a pseudo-science but an actual scientific application... I have to correct myself they aren't dieseases they are disorders...
@3nderoX 40 years ago, homosexuality was considered to be a psychiatric disorder. Now it's a protected civil right. Hardly sounds like an empirical science.
@libertyeconomics It's funny how sciences change as we learn more aint it? Medication for ADHD is about the only reason I got through highschool. Furthermore there is objective science to things like this nowadays, this video must have been filmed before modern brain imaging. This Dr. is a fucking retard, a DISORDER is not a DISEASE. HE is calling it a disease. This man is truly an idiot.
If anyone doubts the legitimacy of ADHD: Try having the disorder before claiming it's false.
All I hear is. Lies lies lies "join my Sinentology cult".... of course psychiatry is real!!! WOW... this man should keep his opinions to himself. nothing he said has listed any facts.
@KateDANMIT well he isn't a scientologist, but i strongly believe in guilt by association. I have to agree that all he said were hes own opinions, for him being a Dr. that makes his opinions hold more weight than the average person but he is wrong there are things such as psychological diseases, for example schizophrenia, paranoia, and for those who are insane... Are these fabrications just made up? According to this "Dr." they are. I mean no disrespect but how as a Dr. can you discredit this..
No behavior or misbehavior is a disease or can be a disease, that't not what diseases are. So it doesn't matter how a child behaves.There is nothing to examine. Labeling a child as mentally ill is stigmatization, not diagnosis. Dr. Thomas Szasz, himself an MD and psychiatrist, exposes psychiatry for the inherent malpractice and abomination that it is. Thankyou for sharing this! Finally, common sense.
@clk211bu granted...but how does one explain away chemical imbalances in the brain? there has been a brain fuctionality machine that has successfully diagnosed people from the brain waves whilst a patient is attached to it. Once the medication is administered to the person, their symptoms lessen and the brain waves reflect those of a "normal" person. After some of the below comments - I'm truly thankful I'm not "normal".
What an idiot this man has turned out to be. Once his views were radical; but it is sad to see a man not evolve with the times, but stick to rigid theories while the world around them has changed. Good mate for Tom Cruise and the Grease guy.
I have no real idea about what is and what isn't "real" about psychiatry, all I know is that it helped me, therefore I won't and can't ever fully believe that psychiatry is "wrong"...
While I certainly dont agree with Scientology in general,I can admit that phsychiatry has a few skeletons in the closet as well. I certainly don't agree with the drugging of children for percieved 'illnesses'.
Granted, I do have some amount of faith in psychiatry, but not because anti-psychiatry sounds like bullshit to me. It's more because it's done pretty well for me over the past 12 years...more or less.
I can say the same about my friends with "ADHD".You must realize that psychiatry has been exploited as a "quick fix", and as a profit-driven industry, they don't have a problem with it. I won't share my life story on YouTube comments, but I can say that without psychiatry I feel much better in terms of physical health and confidence.
There may be a placebo effect for some, or for others it might be an easy way out...to others, it's more trouble than it's worth.
And that's fine. I guess it depends on what psychiatrist you get. While I'm not going to tell my life story on Youtube either, it was quite a few years of going to psychiatrists before I got a medication that worked for me. But I can say, with a great deal of certainty, that if I had never gone to psychiatrists and never used medication that I would likely be dead by now.
Or what psychiatristS...just wanted to clarify that, though some aren't as bad as others can be. I could make further comments, but I'm not trying to start an argument...so, fair enough.
So he basically says "Look at these outrageous beliefs over one hundred years ago! Clearly this proves that every advance in understanding of the human mind since then is false."
This is, obviously, a logical fallacy. It's like saying that, because scientists believed more than one hundred years ago that black men were physically and mentally inferior, everything related to science is false.
You are correct that showing that belief XYZ is bad or wrong doesn't mean that belief ZYX is bad or wrong. However, if person A espouses false belief XYZ, then how reliable can their other beliefs be? Furthermore, there is a lot more wrong with psychiatry than just its past. Psychiatry is based upon lies, deception, greed, and coercion.
Well I'm not a scientologist, so I'm not sure what that has anything to do with what I just said. In fact, your argument is a logical fallacy: because A's system of beliefs is wrong, then B's is correct.
Yes exactly. At best, this shows the possibility of the use of science for malicious purposes, at worst, it exposes the true purpose of psychiatry.
Furthermore, racist science has been widely discredited beyond reasonable doubt. Psychiatry, however, has failed to prove to be an objective science, as Dr. Szasz noted.
That is what I just pointed out to the guy. His argument is, itself, a logical fallacy. Saying that because A's belief system is flawed, then B's belief system is correct.
I don't remember saying that. Do you mind pointing out where I said, "A is wrong so B has to be correct"? All I pointed is that this man claims are based on a fallacious argument.
The real reason $cientology attacks Psychiatry? Their founder hated it. It's the fastest way to expose the fraud to someone who's in the cult. And LRH knew it. So he told his cult that they were an evil alien (or just nazi depending how high in the cult you are) Illuminati-like conspiracy of global domination that had to be stopped at all cost. A very long list of $cn cult members have committed suicide or killed loved ones after $cn encouraged them to stop their psych meds and therapy.
disease: 'an impairment of health or of abnormal functioning.' Anything being labeled a disease is ideology, to isolate psychiatry is absurd. Hypothetically, there could be someone who sees death as a gateway to a new and better world, and this person wouldn't see brain cancer as a disease, but as a key to entering this new and better world. If a kid is lacking in attention to the point that he can't function with other children or anybody else, it is fine to label that a disease.
Being somebody who would have likely been diagnosed with ADD, due to my behavioral challenges growing up, I'm in strong agreement with Dr. Szasz.
My neurological condition, (a 'condition' being neutral label) did manifest in very pronounced behaviors, that were not always appropriate. Medication addresses the symptomatic behavior, while the core condition -- the underdeveloped executive function vs the highly motivated limbic system, is neglected. Oppressing the limbic system is not the answer
I am not sure what you are saying. Dr. Szasz doesn't dispute that people exhibit and have real symptoms that are associated with various psychiatric diagnoses. For example: people DO FEEL DEPRESSED. The question is why, and whether or not this can be medicated away with psychiatric drugs. I, for example, have had depression. I also have hypothyroidism, which is known to cause depression. Thus depression is NOT a disease, but a SYMPTOM. You don't mask the symptom, but treat the disease.
Because I don't know where you got that from. I never claimed that people don't feel depressed. I've felt depressed myself, and a few of my friends self-mutilated, but a few of them also turned their lives around without a magic pill.
You are exactly right about the last sentence. Hypothyroidism, yeah, but depression itself is hardly a "disease".
It is a complete LACK of technology which causes doctors to "throw up their hands" and call whatever atypical behavior they do not yet understand, "a mental illness".
No, there is no physical proof "yet," and never has been. Not for a single "mental illness." If a problem is found in the brain, why would it be called a "mental illness," since "mental" is a metaphor? Or do you also expect that technology will locate a part of the brain called the "mental"?
Szasz having cooperated with Scientology about psychiatry is as defensible as Jews cooperating with atheists against anti-Semitism. I'm an atheist, but does that not mean that I can't speak out against anti-Semitism and work with B'nai Brith? I also disagree with the ACLU about various things, but I'm happy to collaborate with them when we agree. It boils down to maturity.
Epilepsy causes clear physiological(technological) symptoms, muscles spasms. Not the case with non-neuromuscular conditions such as depression, anxiety, and "ADHD". You start meddling with abstract ideas like love, happiness, sadness, which are not understood or computable and the consequences could be extremely dangerous and oppressive. Science(the technological branch) may have to after much dominance in society come to realize that its domain is restricted to "making the trains run on time".
so you are supposed to take advice about mental health from a group that believes our problems come from disembodied spirits that were blown up by space lord Xenu in volcanos 75 million years ago....
Propaganda has told us,you have to a scientolagist to critisize psychiatry well I'm a christian & I say psychiatry is a scam with to much power that needs to be rained in on
For the record I agree with what this man in the video is saying. Just now there are major studies coming out on how the use of ADHD drugs effect the growth hormons and it only takes common sense that these children are 50 to 70 times more likely to have problems with addiction as adults consider they have been taught since childhood to medicate problems away.
Amen. I am a Christian, and I don't like this previous post pitting Christianity vs. Scientology. I am not a Scientologist. It is as a Christian that I realize certain things are evil, such as forced drugging and so forth.
In fact, this isn't even really a debate about legitimacy or illegitimacy of psychiatry. Even if psychiatry is legitimate, what gives anybody the right to force "treatment" upon somebody? We don't force cancer patients who can't get treatment for one reason or another into getting chemotherapy.
When the psychiatric illness compells that person to injure others - where the individuals rights conflict with the rights of others the law must intervene.
If you can be crazy and not drown your children, stab your mother, shoot your teacher and peers, then no one has a right to force treatment on you. That is the current law in the state of Florida and most other states as well.
Suppose someone not sick or crazy hurts others through negligence or malice. We assume that the law can, perhaps must intervene. Perhaps through a fine, or restraint.
Forcing treatment on someone is a different issue.
If the reason for their actions can be defined as an illness, some think that the state has the right to interfere with their mind and body. This is a qualitative difference-a violation. And it is enabled merely by how some people choose to define their inner motivations.
Is this a question,(can't any) a plea,or an attempt control people talk about?How we respond or act in situations:is extent of our control."Dissent an option for every U.S.citizen .It's my right not to agree w/u w/o fear of persecution.Claims of how psychiatry could be or already is being used as a weapon to control people is ,especially coupled w/your question.DNA has proved conviction of innocent happens.1 wrong conviction is 2many.Far fetched?Asked,told,whatever:Dont debate religion?
Actually, you retard, he is connected to the Citzens commision on human rights, which he founded with the church of scienctology in 1969, you moronic creep!
"Actually, you retard, he is connected to the Citzens commision on human rights, which he founded with the church of scienctology in 1969, you moronic creep!"
Scientology's CCHR fake front was contrived to rook and swindle the ignorant, gullible morons, just as the crime syndicate's "NarCONon" quack medical fraud fake front was.
"Actually, I'm fairly sure that Dr. Szasz has no connection to Scientology, retard."
Actually this fake "doctor" is obviously working for the Scientology crime syndicate. Nobody sane spews such fraudulent, criminal kook spew as this fake "doctor" does without getting something for it.
'Function' is subjective. Sure, they might dull them into oblivion so they will be more robotic, compliant, and supposedly 'functional' patients, but this is only within a very narrow, shortsighted scope. Same with living with them at home. Families don't want to accept even some blame for the problem and are tired of it so they accept zombielike compliance as 'improvement'.
Many people originally just are going through a very difficult time, and are then emotionally raped by the psychiatric system, seriously worsening their condition and setting a vicious cycle of drugging and further brain damage.
I have seen people suffer extreme side effects on psychotropic medication - mostly in the 1980's. By the 90's Florida State Hospital had begun to listen to the patients and address concerns of over sedation, movement disorders, dry mouth, hair loss, etc. Current practise at the hospital is minimal dosing and monotherapy (single drug as opposed to drug cocktails).
The individuals I work with have severe psychosis. Unmedicated these people suffer from extreme paranoia, anxiety, with command hallucinations, tactile hallucinations, visual hallucinations WHICH cause them to be imminently dangerous to themselves and others (as evidenced by the deaths of their family members, neighbors, and/or innocent by-standers).
I created a new video covering these latest Scientology murders. A google search on the terms "scientology murder australia" will turn up the newspaper articles. Some are giving the names of the murderer and her parents while most sources have refrained from doing so.
Scientology kills. The fact that psychiatry is also a major fraud is beside the point.
No it's not beside the point of this video. The point of this video is to address psychiatry. If you want to tear at Scientology in another video, go ahead, I despise that cult too, but that's not the issue in this particular video.
"If you want to tear at Scientology in another video..."
There's no need. The Scientology crime syndicate is organized crime which has never and never will help anyone. Scientology rooks and swindles ignorant gullible rubes out of money. THAT is the issue here. They are NOT an "alternative" to actual mental health. Scientology kills its customers in percentages far greater than the mental health industry which itself has a bad record.
Of course they aren't an alternative. Are you claiming I said this? I'm merely stating a fact. Don't tell me what the issue here is. The video is about psychiatry, not Scientology, and Thomas Szasz is not a Scientologist.
Thomas szasz helped found the citzens commision on human rights in 1969 with the church of scientology. This is one of thier videos. So scientology is involved.
Care to confirm that idea with at least some anecdotal evidence? Scientology isn't any worse than your average religion (with blood on its hands) or terrorist organizations such as the CIA....
I see that Scientology has killed again. Two more dead in Australia after the Scientology crooks ordered some of their followers to deny their daughter the medication she needed. The daughter knifed three people, murdering two because she needed the medication to stay sane.
I am sure that psychiatry would invert the order of things, by suggesting she killed herself due to a drug deficiency, when she was suffering from the effects of the drugs - i.e., withdrawal. Should people not stop alcoholism because of the withdrawal symptoms associated with cessation?
No, she murdered her Scientology parents who were ordered to force her to stop taking her medication. She also tried to murder a third. Scientology ordered the parents to force their daughter to stop taking her medication.
For all of the faults of Scientology has in abstract, I give Scientology credit for their opposition to psychiatry. However, that is called erecting a strawman, when you conflate opposition to psychiatry with Scientology. You do realize that there are plenty of non-Scientologists who have came to the same conclusions on this issue.
"For all of the faults of Scientology has in abstract, I give Scientology credit for their opposition to psychiatry."
I also oppose 90% of what the mental health industry does. At the same time, the reason why the Scientology crime syndicate opposes mental health is because Hubbard was insane. Pssychiatry is part of the "Marcabian invasion fleet" plan to keep humanity enslaved, according to the syndicate.
I am not fan of L. Ron Hubbard, nor Scientology. However, having read what L. Ron Hubbard wrote - disagreeing with most of it - I would not say he was insane. An insane person could not use the level of reasoning he did in his arguments. I believe Scientology's opposition to psychiatry is rooted more in the fact that Scientology is a competitor of psychiatry - i.e., it equally seeks to control people, and psychiatry was a roadblock. We have the case of two demons going after eachother.
David Koresh was insane and cult leaders are generally insane. Perhaps "insane" isn't the best term in this case but he was an expert on manipulation, and to his followers he appeared very charismatic..He was psychotic, to say the least, plain and simple. What sane person honestly believes in Xenu or that we evolved from clams? If he did, he was crazy, if not, he was dangerous.
"David Koresh was insane and cult leaders are generally insane."
David Miscaviage is also insane. He shoots photographs of one-time syndicate leaders (like Arnie Lerma) he covers his water glass with plastic so nobody poisons him, and he murdered Hubbard after injecting him was an OD of Visteral.
Scientology's top crime boss is PROFOUNDLY insane.
I think you give Scientology too much credit. The anti-psychiatry thing should probably be filed along with glancing at a broken clock at just the right time of day. They are more a liability than an asset in the battle for freedom of the mind. Learn about them and you'll see. The Xenu thing is just silly but read about "operation Snow White" and the words and views of L. Ron Hubbard so you'll understand the full extent of their crimes.
Actually the person was on drug therapy and under a doctors care. A Psychiatrist stated that she must have gone off meds at some stage---no proof was given, no evidence was given it was a opinion.
Hell we dont even know if the dead people were scientologist at all but we do know the patient was under doctors care and on meds---this seems to be a case of protecting the treatment NOT the patient or the victims .
Is that a stab at me or the poster of this video? Because I have. However, I know that Thomas Szasz is himself an independent thinker, not a Scientologist. i believe it was me you quoted there. I'm not sure what to think at the moment other than, indeed, I know Scientology's crimes, but this video is about psychiatry.
The man hasn't spent one of those "60 years practicing psychiatry" treating people with Schizophrenia or Bipolar disorder; yet his lackeys still quote him as if he was an expert on the subject. Most of his "psychiatry" practice is traditional freudian psycho-analysis (Of course, he gets the bulk of his income from his books and lectures).
Anti-Psychiatry appears to be a larger anomaly on the internet then it is in reality.
i don't think this is exactly exposing all of psychiatry as a pseudo science. it's simply saying that it's flawed. shrinks, whether you like it or not, do a lot of good. throwing medicine at misbehaviors isn't exactly the practice of all that practice.
Dude, you right, I'm only 16 and I suppose I'm the only one who believes psychiatry is not an industry of death also. I bet you worsip people like Tom Cruise.
Psychiatry kills people and does not help them. Study the facts yourself, it is an industry of death. This is a huge anti-Psych movement even being carried out by the Psychs themselves.
Psychiatry is not an industry of death. Some people actually require medication for severe disorders. Granted psychiatrists also prescribe drugs for "disorders" such as ADHD and ADD that Szasz argues as being a reification or fallacy; however many mental disorders, mostly of biological etiology do require medication. Such disorders can include schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, clinical depression, etc. People with such disorders end up doing much harm to themselves.
Dude, your 16, and he has been practicing Psychiatry for 60 years. Do you think your the Expert? He knows what he's talking about, and you say he has a Disease because he's exposing Psychiatry as a farce, a system meant to control populations. Obviously it works on you... Open your mind, nothing is as it seems these days, and it takes a keen eye, and a sharp mind to discover the truth of what's going on. I'm with him on this, because your a teenager, and he's a veteran Psychiatrist.
You have what shrinks call an "unhealthy" obsession with Scientology. Unlike Christians, Scientologists never fomented an Inquisition, have no history of pogroms, never defended slavery. Scientology causes no violence or social discord characteristic of other religions. It can't be that you think Scientology's beliefs to be any more absurd than another other religions? All religion is based on fantastic bunk. Are you a psychiatrist or have some special interest in "mental health" issues?
Inquisition? Scientology has only been around since Hubbard introduced it in what, the 60's? Not having had the chance to have an inquisition isn't the same thing as having a different moral status. Its like a 6 year old saying to an old man "At least I've never beaten anyone up!"
It does have bilking people out of their money for lies, medical malpractice, going exterior, operation Snow White etc. In fact, in proportion to its age it has an amazing list of crimes against humanity to its record.
Crimes against humanity by Scientology? Are you familiar with the history of psychiatry? Do Scientologists do lobotomies? Do they electroshock and insulin shock innocent people?
You might want to pick up a copy of Dr. Szasz latest book: Coercion as Cure: A Critical History of Psychiatry
In that book you will find genuine crimes against humanity.
When Scientologists obtain the power to cause imprisonment without trial, as psychiatrists can, I'll worry.
Are you having trouble tracking topic? Look again at what I wrote. Am I comparing $cientology to psychiatry? No. Scientology has bankrupted people, brainwashed them, ruined their lives, their health and killed a very large number of people for such a young "religion."
The video is about psychiatry, and my interest is psychiatric violence. Like Szasz, I'm an atheist, but I appreciate Scientology's opposition to psychiatry. Adherents to all religions have regrets; this is not particular to Scientology. I know of no sizable Western religion that doesn't ask for money. As for people you say were "killed" by Scientology, I take this to be nonsense absent any credible source.
I'm bemused by the hysteria. Most critics seem to be psychiatrists and their supporters.
If you think something you've said against me has hit your mark you assume too much.
What sets scientology apart most is that it is a transparent fraud from its documented recent formation to present.
In the long run, bad psychiatry may be the worse of the two, but that's no reason to make common cause with a fraudulent cult guilty of fraudulent medical claims, rights abuses and murder. A wealth of information is available online by simply studying scientology or searching words I've given.
If the best you can offer is Google you have a credibility problem. Where's the "wealth of information" about the killing? Anti-Scientologism seems akin in nature (though not in scope) to anti-Semitism. Do Scientologists kidnap children and poison wells? I can find claims (all bogus) on Google that Jews do.
Viewed rationally, all religions are absurd. But, I would gladly have worked with Quaker abolitionists, and support Szasz's work with Scientologists opposing psychiatric violence.
I bet you 43 psychiatrist disliked this video
Drhamburgerhill 1 month ago
@SilverTminus10 ssri's equal medicine to help people
msss432 1 month ago
clearly behavior in and of itself is not an illness.... hardly relevant nor is it an issue... several also seem to stress "physical illness" as if it were separate from mental illness.... entirely wrong despite popular belief schizophrenia, severe depression, OCD are entirely neurological and thus physical... pretending that people who have serious mental illness are just "behaving" or have a physical illness... yes they do that physical illness its called mental illness
msss432 1 month ago
'psychiatrists have for hundreds of years used diagnostic terms' - WTH
psychiatry is barely 100 years old
JimBowie1133 2 months ago
@JimBowie1133 It depends on definitions. Benjamin Rush father of American psychiatry signed the Declaration of Independence. He said Blacks skin color was due to disease! In 1850's Sam Cartwright coined "drapetomania" to refer to slaves wish to escape! In the 1870's the NY Times spoke of "dress reform disease" referencing women who wanted to wear pants! Psych enforces the social order by calling "disorders" attempts to alter any salient part of the established order! Psych = F-R-A-U-D!!!!
skirts365 2 months ago
psychiatry musn`t exist
TheChembalin 4 months ago
So, he thinks the brain CAN malfunction and that would be considered a disease but he doesn't believe in mental illness? That seems... retarded.
jussts 4 months ago
@jussts What he's saying is that REAL DISEASE (i.e. a PHYSICAL health problem) can impact the functioning of the brain (i.e. mind), thus causing things like depression, confusion, paranoia, etc. Those things can NOT be placed together and labeled as mental illness. They would be SYMPTOMS of the health problem. Crying is not a disease. Depression is not a disease.
libertyeconomics 4 months ago
psychiatry needs to either stop everything it is doing and totally start anew or cease being a field of medicine. it is that bad.
scottyb453 5 months ago
NMerenda1 seems to be babysittin this video. its obvious youve given yourself a label:)
go play mind games elsewhere sunshine.
ProthoPectore 6 months ago
@thesentinelonline and yeah I get it. You're criticising a label "mental illness". What's the label on your jeans say? Or your jocks? $2 jocks are still going to have SOME label on them aren't they? Everything gets labelled. You may not LIKE the fact that what you have to endure is labelled as a mental illness but shit happens. PTSD is real and has been given a label in order to diagnose it. And if it's not dealt with adequately it can lead to other mental illnesses..so be careful sunshine!
NMerenda1 8 months ago
@SilverTminus10 give weed long enough and you'll learn the same thing I did. Instead of being BIpolar you'll just be depressed. Seriously - stop smoking weed!! All it does is fuck with your head worse than Lithium does. These "pillz" have been created for a reason. If pot was the cure then what would be the point? You want a cure? Try Lamotrigine. It's the only thing that's ever worked for me. Sorry if you don't like the assumptions...maybe you need to look into that further.
NMerenda1 8 months ago
@thesentinelonline excuse the belated comeback but I was too busy travelling to check my youtube account. To retort by telling me to take my meds shows how ignorant you are. But you go right ahead and continue living with your "flashbacks" and your "trauma" for as long as it gets you out of dealing with your "ass" and living a fulfilled life. Afterall, while I've been travelling for 7 months what have you been doing? Surfing youtube daily no doubt...FUCK OFF AND TAKE ANOTHER TOKE FROM YOUR J
NMerenda1 8 months ago
@thesentinelonline well thought out and educated come back BTW.
NMerenda1 8 months ago
@SilverTminus10 so essentially you're saying if you just stay stoned then your OCD is cured? Do you have a full time job? Do you function as a normal valid member of society? By the sounds of it I doubt that you do. In order to live what most on this page would call a "normal" life you need to conform to what society believes you need to be. For me with Bipolar that requires regular medication so I DON'T have manic days where they believe I'm too happy or days when I'm too depressed.
NMerenda1 8 months ago
@thesentinelonline I suffer flashbacks due to traumatic experiences. Medication subsides the flashbacks so you can deal with the traumatic situation and move past it. If your life is distrupted by traumatic experiences, then you have a mental illness called Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. And your mental health does NOT function normally or you wouldnt' be "distressed" by said "fucked up situations". "Mental illness" IS stigmatizing to those who do not have it. You sound plain ignorant now.
NMerenda1 8 months ago
My mom is a holistic healer. She says ADHD is just a displacement of energy that can be cured by discipline of the mind and body. Practicing things like martial arts or sports are a better cure than drugs. Even friendly, competitive games like chess help alot. People with "ADHD" can be really good at things that "normal" people find very difficult. There's no reason to call it a disorder. It can be a gift.
acquiredtasty 9 months ago
So my psychosis is not a disease???? Than I beg you tell me how I can be rid of it without the medication thats working well right now. And FUCK OFF if youre gonna give me the holy garbage.
TheCaptainLulz 9 months ago
@TheCaptainLulz unless someone has seen what a person in psychosis has to endure they have no fucking clue. I love your statement....you're bang on right. In the midst of psychosis people make no sense and unfortunately the one they are hurting the most is themselves. Rationality doesn't enter into the situation. Stay strong and stay on your meds. 10 yrs off meds taught me the hard way that they ARE the only thing that can give you any sort of consistancy in life. Well done to you!!!
NMerenda1 8 months ago
@NMerenda1 Thanks. It means alot to hear from someone who understands the pure chaos of the thing. Best Wishes!
TheCaptainLulz 8 months ago
Psychology is no lie though.
neptuniumforest 9 months ago
Psychiatry is just another religion!!!
Something to control the masses....
indigorutz 9 months ago 2
he fails to also point out that there is no such thing as attention defecit disorder as it is just made up as a way to control and manipulatie parent of kids. Its beyond belief that half the population will believe whatever sombody tells them because they have a label psychiatrist. if so called mental disorders were really a disorder then why would we of been given the abilitiy to experience something. why would what nature already intended be an illness.
210482fmj 10 months ago
@210482fmj You don't need to convince me. Not wanting to take their drugs is itself a psychiatric illness, thus anybody who refuses to see a psychiatrist and take their drugs...needs psychiatric drugs. If I were to tell somebody they needed to see a shrink, and they said they didn't want to because they don't need to and they didn't like the stigmatization, I could call that paranoia.
libertyeconomics 10 months ago
@libertyeconomics i find it disturbing that they will sedate somebody who says they feel suicidal. they would rather sedate somebody with drugs than give them something nice like a trip on noliday r something to make them feel better. the drugs cost more than a holiday would. it shows you the kind of people who run this world. if they had any niceness in them they could offer them something to cheer them up like a holiday.
210482fmj 10 months ago
Considering that I've have had mental illnesses since childhood and have been on meds. I can say that I have NEVER experienced this so called "abuse." Nor has anyone that I have met. They actually helped me. With the help of meds I was able to graduate high school. I can almost guarantee if someone who opposed psychiatry started showing signs of mental illness, they'd seek help.
ShhhhhItsasecret 11 months ago
@thesentinelonline if all it took was for me to merely stop thinking I had a mental illness then believe me I would. your ignorance on chemical imbalances in a person's brain are neandertholic and create ignorance within our society. just because some old fast whom like yourself has no concept of emotions he can't control says so doens't make it right. I would rather rely on understanding people who can actually make my life worth living again as opposed to self proclaimed intellects such as you
NMerenda1 1 year ago
@thesentinelonline don't patronise me for starters. and my point was YES FFS I have a mental illness and whilst I was in denial about it for so long, it took medication to acutally prove to me that it does in fact exist. I TRULY wish you had bipolar or schizophrenia. your opinions on this topic are invalid. are you saying that people who hear voices that they can't control are just full of shit? no dear boy I do believe it is you who is full of shit. continued
NMerenda1 1 year ago
for a person to work through their psychological problems, it is quite often necessary for them to medicate in order to be able to do this. If you suffer from severe depression you seriously don't give a crap about finding the silver lining. You truly couldn't give a fuck if it rained every day. Therefore, to enable the patient to begin psychological treatment and progress with it, they more than likely will need medication in order to have a healthy mindset to be able to start the healing
NMerenda1 1 year ago
@thesentinelonline I gained very little sense from your comment sorry. If you read my post correctly I quite clearly state that medication must be part of a holistic approach to living with a mental illness and that psychotherapy is a must. I can't even work out if you are saying you DO have a mental illness or not? Perhaps you have a drug induced psychosis?
NMerenda1 1 year ago
I also agree though that Psychology is an integral part of dealing with mental illness. I refuse to see a Psychiatrist (my GP gives me my scripts) but see my Psychologist every fortnight as I have done for the past 2 years. A person CANNOT rely solely on their medication to live a full life with a mental illness. It must be a holistic approach.
NMerenda1 1 year ago
He's a moron!!! I've suffered from mental illneses all my life. I know that regardless what you label an illness - as in defining it rather than pigeonholing it into the original 6 or 7 labels - the medication works. If I miss a day of my antipsychotic medication I can feel the difference in my mood and in my ability to utilise my CBT skills I have spent years refining. In my opinion, unless you live it and rely on these medications to get you through a normal day, you have no right to comment.
NMerenda1 1 year ago
It sounds like he is not only casting stigma upon psychiatry, but also psychology. I find it a bit misleading to claim there is no such thing as a mental illness. Psychiatry may be pill pushers, but psychology aims at improving a persons well-being without drugs. If one were to follow this logic, concepts such as love, happiness, sorrow, grief etc. would not exist because they are not tangible, measurable components. Psychology is amazing if one understands it how it differs from psychiatry.
Preacha1111 1 year ago
@Preacha1111 He doesn't confuse psychiatry and psychology at all. I am fully cognizant of the differences as well. A psychiatrist drugs. There is, however, a legitimate purpose for psychology and psychologists.
libertyeconomics 1 year ago 3
@libertyeconomics I only assumed this because he said if there is a problem (i.e., mental issue) he does not want to know how you feel". Either way, I study psychology and find it comforting that you, a sincere critic, find value in my profession.
Preacha1111 1 year ago
@libertyeconomics Legit? Like psychologist Horace English who said in 1958 that women in pants were transvestites? Like the school psychologist who told me I was sick in the head because my socks were mismatched? Like the psychologist who told me if a Scot started wearing his costume everywhere, he'd be sick in the head? Psychologists are to psychiatrists what Hitler youth were to Gestapo. All "clinically normative mental health professionals" and 100% unmitigated assholes!
skirts365 4 months ago
@skirts365 , Psychiatry may be a fraud, but mental illness is very real. What approach do you suggest should be used in studying and treating mental illness if biological approaches are fraudulent?
JimBowie1133 2 months ago
@JimBowie1133 1st the term mental illness needs constraining; it can be & is used at whim to call any activity anyone dislikes a "disease." That's a strategy, not a fact. Mental illness can be an aneurysm; tumor; head injury; alzheimer's etc (real diseases!) Behavior is NOT "illness!" It's dangerous to medicalize behavior! Medicine can't treat moral problems! Disagreements & conflicts are called "illnesses" and that's more fraud! Compare to the Inquisition & witch hunts "mental illness!"
skirts365 2 months ago
@skirts365 , So how do we conceptualize these 'behaviors'? I understand that technically a behavior is not an illness per se. But what of compulsive behaviors like trichotillomania - compulsion to pull hair out - if this behavior is not an illness, would you consider it a mental disorder? Or are you saying there are no such things as mental disorders?
JimBowie1133 2 months ago
@JimBowie1133 No need to conceptualize; your example is a response to life's problems; ease the problem, solve the manifestation. Problems are not disorders! If a bookcase is toppled, books spill across the floor, you can call that disorder; but if the case & books are yours, it's not anyone else's biz to decide how you arrange them is "disordered." The psych cult continually alters terminology & invents terms to make it seem as if progress in science is taking place; it's more regimentation!
skirts365 2 months ago
@Preacha1111 He is not saying there are not psychological disturbances, But mental illness taken out of context and conceived/diagnosed like a kidney or bio-genetic markers is an illusion. Affect disturbances are potential/real disturbances between others in an INTERPRETATIVE Social context. The criteria for ADHD (e.g., read DSM IV, V) is entirely subjective. ADHD/children: Calling out of turn, sloppiness, squirming in the seat, fidgety, talks excessive, sloppiness, etc.,...continued
Neilgs 1 year ago
are social disturbances (disruptive to classroom control management) and extremely profitable enterprises, such as administrating dangerous psychotropics to CONTROL symptoms, that might or might not be disturbances in other contexts. Using that Nazi criminal BRAVE NEW WORLD thinking then Einstein to Mozart to Telsa, to Bill Gates would have all been placed on a psychotropic regiment and the world would be far less richer. This is not to say that psychological trauma doesn't exist but it is....
Neilgs 1 year ago
criminal to regard attachment disorders and other psychological-emotional disturbances as one would diagnose a physical disease and treat the symptoms with meds (psychotropics).
Neilgs 1 year ago
@Preacha1111
I agree to a certain extent, as I also agree with Dr. Szasz to a certain extent, but I believe that there is much more to psychology than any textbooks would ever disclose. Astrology is said to be a psuedoscience by many, but there is documented merit from a scientific perspective. The psychology that Dr. Szasz is utilizing is from the perspective of an Aries, as he is an Aries. Psychology is differrent for all astrological types, whether diagnosing, or being diagnosed...
brianwesley28 11 months ago
@Preacha1111
There is certainly a major difference between psychology and psychiatry. I agree. I believe that psychiatry is much more of a psuedoscience than astrology, as I mentioned. Psychology is a hard science, as is astrology, but people don't understand that psychology, as a stand-alone science, is not accurate across the board as a college textbook would recommend. There is a different psychology for each different astrological type. This is why some people feel comfortable talking...
brianwesley28 11 months ago
@Preacha1111
...to 1 person about a subject, but does not feel comfortable talking to another, absebnt any personal reasons (which may have also been caused by astrological differences). This is why 1 psychologist will have a different perception than another, given the same patient and the same topic, with different methods utilized and different recommendations offered. Astrologically, I am a natural psychologist. I understand that psychology is real, but there are astrological variables.
brianwesley28 11 months ago
State code violations
Narconon facilities in California were cited repeatedly for violations by state inspectors. Violations included administering medication without authorization, having alcohol on the facility, and not having proper bedding for clients. Narconon has also attempted to silence opposition, including sending letters to neighbors of a proposed facility in Leona Valley, California threatening legal action for criticism. CULT
RadioPaul1 1 year ago
This guy tells it like it is.
We need more doctors like him.
And less of the DSM worshipping mindless chart consulters.
I have to waste my time and see one of these fascists today and I am preparing some printed material for her, even though she is so biased she most likely will not read it once she realizes what it is about (How fraudulent and corrupt her 'industry' is)
BeavisNacho 1 year ago
Yes a behaviour is NOT a disease but if behaviour limits a childs education because he can't learn in the SYSTEM and his behaviour also limits others opportunities to learn then why not give him a drug (not poison) that helps him succeed in his goal to learn. If I'm psychotic you can lock me up, let me kill people or myself....or give me a drug! (or perhaps hand me over to cult so they can drain my bank account and let me "Kill myself")
kookyuke 1 year ago
@kookyuke All Psychiatric drugs are neurotoxins despite your argument.
Your view of PSYCHOTIC ( a label and stigmatism created by the psych-pharm industry) is that if they are not locked up they will kill someone? I saw a psychiatrist and after 3 minutes she said she thought I was psychotic and wanted me to take poison. YES, these drugs cause tardrive disconesia which is BRAIN DAMAGE. Psychiatry is a Fraud !! I am not psychotic so effectively she wanted to poison me for profit !!
BeavisNacho 1 year ago
@kookyuke thats a good argument those 60 years must have worn down his scientific mind... It would have been possible to discredit psychology 20-30 years ago but as time goes on so does progress and it is now a FACT that psychology is not a pseudo-science but an actual scientific application... I have to correct myself they aren't dieseases they are disorders...
3nderoX 1 year ago
@3nderoX 40 years ago, homosexuality was considered to be a psychiatric disorder. Now it's a protected civil right. Hardly sounds like an empirical science.
libertyeconomics 1 year ago
@libertyeconomics It's funny how sciences change as we learn more aint it? Medication for ADHD is about the only reason I got through highschool. Furthermore there is objective science to things like this nowadays, this video must have been filmed before modern brain imaging. This Dr. is a fucking retard, a DISORDER is not a DISEASE. HE is calling it a disease. This man is truly an idiot.
If anyone doubts the legitimacy of ADHD: Try having the disorder before claiming it's false.
pr0pr0 1 year ago
@3nderoX if he has a "not a good argument" then you have a horrible one. hes not against psychology hes against psychiatry.
jackskellingtonation 1 year ago
All I hear is. Lies lies lies "join my Sinentology cult".... of course psychiatry is real!!! WOW... this man should keep his opinions to himself. nothing he said has listed any facts.
KateDANMIT 1 year ago
@KateDANMIT well he isn't a scientologist, but i strongly believe in guilt by association. I have to agree that all he said were hes own opinions, for him being a Dr. that makes his opinions hold more weight than the average person but he is wrong there are things such as psychological diseases, for example schizophrenia, paranoia, and for those who are insane... Are these fabrications just made up? According to this "Dr." they are. I mean no disrespect but how as a Dr. can you discredit this..
3nderoX 1 year ago
brilliant vdieo. pure direct common sense.
resolveitall 1 year ago
No behavior or misbehavior is a disease or can be a disease, that't not what diseases are. So it doesn't matter how a child behaves.There is nothing to examine. Labeling a child as mentally ill is stigmatization, not diagnosis. Dr. Thomas Szasz, himself an MD and psychiatrist, exposes psychiatry for the inherent malpractice and abomination that it is. Thankyou for sharing this! Finally, common sense.
clk211bu 1 year ago 26
@clk211bu granted...but how does one explain away chemical imbalances in the brain? there has been a brain fuctionality machine that has successfully diagnosed people from the brain waves whilst a patient is attached to it. Once the medication is administered to the person, their symptoms lessen and the brain waves reflect those of a "normal" person. After some of the below comments - I'm truly thankful I'm not "normal".
NMerenda1 1 year ago
This is fantastic. Speaking up about the quackery that makes billions of dollars.
DesteniPoliticsAus 1 year ago 10
I have an interview posted with Szasz. The Church of Scientology seems to never acknowledge Szasz's views on drugs, only his views on Psychiatry.
I wonder why...
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ElectroPaganAnon 1 year ago
@ElectroPaganAnon because thats all they value from him...
3nderoX 1 year ago
What an idiot this man has turned out to be. Once his views were radical; but it is sad to see a man not evolve with the times, but stick to rigid theories while the world around them has changed. Good mate for Tom Cruise and the Grease guy.
sushamgupta 2 years ago
Then prove what he says is incorrect? This guy is a licensed psychiatrist and there are others who agree with him and provide evidence.
EmilyGreene1984 1 year ago 3
no sir YOU are an idiot . this man is an brilliant and honored doctor who is speaking the truth ..
...your own words convict you as shill ,
grow a pair of balls and a spine
...untill then your nothing more than a coward and a liar ..
shooze5 1 year ago
what an idiot this man have turned into
sushamgupta 2 years ago
the more they make you sick the more they get pay by acting curing you
dumbtrooper 2 years ago 5
I have no real idea about what is and what isn't "real" about psychiatry, all I know is that it helped me, therefore I won't and can't ever fully believe that psychiatry is "wrong"...
Avengaromg123 2 years ago
p$ychiatry
cinematicbr 2 years ago 25
While I certainly dont agree with Scientology in general,I can admit that phsychiatry has a few skeletons in the closet as well. I certainly don't agree with the drugging of children for percieved 'illnesses'.
stayjit1 3 years ago 3
Is migraine a disease?
exfalsoquodlibet 3 years ago
Granted, I do have some amount of faith in psychiatry, but not because anti-psychiatry sounds like bullshit to me. It's more because it's done pretty well for me over the past 12 years...more or less.
KatarnandKanos 3 years ago
Yeah well it did horribly for me.
I can say the same about my friends with "ADHD".You must realize that psychiatry has been exploited as a "quick fix", and as a profit-driven industry, they don't have a problem with it. I won't share my life story on YouTube comments, but I can say that without psychiatry I feel much better in terms of physical health and confidence.
There may be a placebo effect for some, or for others it might be an easy way out...to others, it's more trouble than it's worth.
NaturalSelection2 3 years ago
And that's fine. I guess it depends on what psychiatrist you get. While I'm not going to tell my life story on Youtube either, it was quite a few years of going to psychiatrists before I got a medication that worked for me. But I can say, with a great deal of certainty, that if I had never gone to psychiatrists and never used medication that I would likely be dead by now.
KatarnandKanos 3 years ago
Or what psychiatristS...just wanted to clarify that, though some aren't as bad as others can be. I could make further comments, but I'm not trying to start an argument...so, fair enough.
NaturalSelection2 3 years ago
So he basically says "Look at these outrageous beliefs over one hundred years ago! Clearly this proves that every advance in understanding of the human mind since then is false."
This is, obviously, a logical fallacy. It's like saying that, because scientists believed more than one hundred years ago that black men were physically and mentally inferior, everything related to science is false.
KatarnandKanos 3 years ago
You are correct that showing that belief XYZ is bad or wrong doesn't mean that belief ZYX is bad or wrong. However, if person A espouses false belief XYZ, then how reliable can their other beliefs be? Furthermore, there is a lot more wrong with psychiatry than just its past. Psychiatry is based upon lies, deception, greed, and coercion.
libertyeconomics 3 years ago
Much in the same way that scientology is.
KatarnandKanos 3 years ago
Well I'm not a scientologist, so I'm not sure what that has anything to do with what I just said. In fact, your argument is a logical fallacy: because A's system of beliefs is wrong, then B's is correct.
libertyeconomics 3 years ago
Yes exactly. At best, this shows the possibility of the use of science for malicious purposes, at worst, it exposes the true purpose of psychiatry.
Furthermore, racist science has been widely discredited beyond reasonable doubt. Psychiatry, however, has failed to prove to be an objective science, as Dr. Szasz noted.
NaturalSelection2 3 years ago
By the way, Thomas Szasz is not a Scientologist. Ever heard of "guilt by association"?
Hubbard hated psychiatry for the wrong reasons, but people can hate Nazism for the wrong reasons too---doesn't mean that Nazism is a good thing.
NaturalSelection2 3 years ago
That is what I just pointed out to the guy. His argument is, itself, a logical fallacy. Saying that because A's belief system is flawed, then B's belief system is correct.
libertyeconomics 3 years ago
I don't remember saying that. Do you mind pointing out where I said, "A is wrong so B has to be correct"? All I pointed is that this man claims are based on a fallacious argument.
KatarnandKanos 3 years ago
Yes, I for one oppose abuses both by Scientologists and psychiatrists.
NaturalSelection2 3 years ago 2
Well, it wasn't even a psychiatrist who invented drapotemania. It was Samuel A. Cartwright, who was just a physician.
According to your logic, then that would basically discredit the whole field of medicine.
exfalsoquodlibet 3 years ago
The real reason $cientology attacks Psychiatry? Their founder hated it. It's the fastest way to expose the fraud to someone who's in the cult. And LRH knew it. So he told his cult that they were an evil alien (or just nazi depending how high in the cult you are) Illuminati-like conspiracy of global domination that had to be stopped at all cost. A very long list of $cn cult members have committed suicide or killed loved ones after $cn encouraged them to stop their psych meds and therapy.
HouseSpiderAnon 3 years ago
what about the kid at verginia tec . his mother know there was something wrong with him
so she took him to the church for exisisum. this didn't stop him shooting anyone , drugs may have????
crissyhowes 3 years ago
HAHAHAHA Scientologists are so decieved its unbelieveable. Not that their the only ones who are decieved by ominous cults.
marleymike2 3 years ago 4
disease: 'an impairment of health or of abnormal functioning.' Anything being labeled a disease is ideology, to isolate psychiatry is absurd. Hypothetically, there could be someone who sees death as a gateway to a new and better world, and this person wouldn't see brain cancer as a disease, but as a key to entering this new and better world. If a kid is lacking in attention to the point that he can't function with other children or anybody else, it is fine to label that a disease.
BoldOriginalFlavor 3 years ago
Being somebody who would have likely been diagnosed with ADD, due to my behavioral challenges growing up, I'm in strong agreement with Dr. Szasz.
My neurological condition, (a 'condition' being neutral label) did manifest in very pronounced behaviors, that were not always appropriate. Medication addresses the symptomatic behavior, while the core condition -- the underdeveloped executive function vs the highly motivated limbic system, is neglected. Oppressing the limbic system is not the answer
neurogravity 3 years ago
I am not sure what you are saying. Dr. Szasz doesn't dispute that people exhibit and have real symptoms that are associated with various psychiatric diagnoses. For example: people DO FEEL DEPRESSED. The question is why, and whether or not this can be medicated away with psychiatric drugs. I, for example, have had depression. I also have hypothyroidism, which is known to cause depression. Thus depression is NOT a disease, but a SYMPTOM. You don't mask the symptom, but treat the disease.
libertyeconomics 3 years ago 3
Was that to me?
Because I don't know where you got that from. I never claimed that people don't feel depressed. I've felt depressed myself, and a few of my friends self-mutilated, but a few of them also turned their lives around without a magic pill.
You are exactly right about the last sentence. Hypothyroidism, yeah, but depression itself is hardly a "disease".
NaturalSelection2 3 years ago
@libertyeconomics great example.. good point..
Th3Wab3 1 year ago
It is a complete LACK of technology which causes doctors to "throw up their hands" and call whatever atypical behavior they do not yet understand, "a mental illness".
nytransplnt 3 years ago
Maybe it's a lack of emotional intelligence?
sociopathicregret 3 years ago
sociopathicregret, I have no idea..I'm not a doctor, & I'm not a follower of Scientology.
Carol :)
nytransplnt 3 years ago
Cool, I hate Scientology too, Szasz isn't a scientologist.
sociopathicregret 3 years ago 5
I think future technology will be able to provide physical proof & measure of all brain anomalies. The technology is simply not ours yet.
nytransplnt 3 years ago
No, there is no physical proof "yet," and never has been. Not for a single "mental illness." If a problem is found in the brain, why would it be called a "mental illness," since "mental" is a metaphor? Or do you also expect that technology will locate a part of the brain called the "mental"?
nicmart 3 years ago
Szasz having cooperated with Scientology about psychiatry is as defensible as Jews cooperating with atheists against anti-Semitism. I'm an atheist, but does that not mean that I can't speak out against anti-Semitism and work with B'nai Brith? I also disagree with the ACLU about various things, but I'm happy to collaborate with them when we agree. It boils down to maturity.
nicmart 3 years ago
nicmart, Do you really think you read the words 'mental illness' in my original text?
F.Y.I. Epilepsy used to be considered a
psychiatric/mental disorder before technology
was able prove it as being a mere physical
brain anomaly. Some severe cases have even
been successfully treated with surgery. Yes, the exact area of the brain was physically
'pinpointed' & treated. It all boils down to technology.
nytransplnt 3 years ago
Epilepsy causes clear physiological(technological) symptoms, muscles spasms. Not the case with non-neuromuscular conditions such as depression, anxiety, and "ADHD". You start meddling with abstract ideas like love, happiness, sadness, which are not understood or computable and the consequences could be extremely dangerous and oppressive. Science(the technological branch) may have to after much dominance in society come to realize that its domain is restricted to "making the trains run on time".
MrDamando 3 years ago
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so you are supposed to take advice about mental health from a group that believes our problems come from disembodied spirits that were blown up by space lord Xenu in volcanos 75 million years ago....
zalzankavol2 3 years ago 2
When you start making common cause with Scientology it's time to reconsider.
jxhensley 3 years ago
Propaganda has told us,you have to a scientolagist to critisize psychiatry well I'm a christian & I say psychiatry is a scam with to much power that needs to be rained in on
sentyan13 3 years ago 4
Amen.
libertyeconomics 3 years ago
Thanks
sentyan13 3 years ago 2
For the record I agree with what this man in the video is saying. Just now there are major studies coming out on how the use of ADHD drugs effect the growth hormons and it only takes common sense that these children are 50 to 70 times more likely to have problems with addiction as adults consider they have been taught since childhood to medicate problems away.
amanda7467 4 years ago
I found the video to be informative and true from my own perspective, as well.
Can't anyone just watch the video and stop arguing whether or not you agree with any religious beliefs?
It's about the absurdity of psychiatric labeling and drugging.
niagor 4 years ago 2
Amen. I am a Christian, and I don't like this previous post pitting Christianity vs. Scientology. I am not a Scientologist. It is as a Christian that I realize certain things are evil, such as forced drugging and so forth.
libertyeconomics 4 years ago
In fact, this isn't even really a debate about legitimacy or illegitimacy of psychiatry. Even if psychiatry is legitimate, what gives anybody the right to force "treatment" upon somebody? We don't force cancer patients who can't get treatment for one reason or another into getting chemotherapy.
libertyeconomics 4 years ago
Right on, liberty...
niagor 4 years ago
When the psychiatric illness compells that person to injure others - where the individuals rights conflict with the rights of others the law must intervene.
If you can be crazy and not drown your children, stab your mother, shoot your teacher and peers, then no one has a right to force treatment on you. That is the current law in the state of Florida and most other states as well.
6782485 4 years ago
Suppose someone not sick or crazy hurts others through negligence or malice. We assume that the law can, perhaps must intervene. Perhaps through a fine, or restraint.
Forcing treatment on someone is a different issue.
If the reason for their actions can be defined as an illness, some think that the state has the right to interfere with their mind and body. This is a qualitative difference-a violation. And it is enabled merely by how some people choose to define their inner motivations.
GBanville 4 years ago
Is this a question,(can't any) a plea,or an attempt control people talk about?How we respond or act in situations:is extent of our control."Dissent an option for every U.S.citizen .It's my right not to agree w/u w/o fear of persecution.Claims of how psychiatry could be or already is being used as a weapon to control people is ,especially coupled w/your question.DNA has proved conviction of innocent happens.1 wrong conviction is 2many.Far fetched?Asked,told,whatever:Dont debate religion?
ultravivid1 11 months ago
What a joke
Cerberus31337 4 years ago
Yeah, it's the church of scientology!
simontam777 4 years ago
Actually, I'm fairly sure that Dr. Szasz has no connection to Scientology, retard.
sociopathicregret 4 years ago
Actually, you retard, he is connected to the Citzens commision on human rights, which he founded with the church of scienctology in 1969, you moronic creep!
simontam777 4 years ago
"Actually, you retard, he is connected to the Citzens commision on human rights, which he founded with the church of scienctology in 1969, you moronic creep!"
Scientology's CCHR fake front was contrived to rook and swindle the ignorant, gullible morons, just as the crime syndicate's "NarCONon" quack medical fraud fake front was.
NotSoOldHippy 4 years ago
"Actually, I'm fairly sure that Dr. Szasz has no connection to Scientology, retard."
Actually this fake "doctor" is obviously working for the Scientology crime syndicate. Nobody sane spews such fraudulent, criminal kook spew as this fake "doctor" does without getting something for it.
NotSoOldHippy 4 years ago
I have worked at a state hospital for 23 years. Psychotropic drugs are double edged swords. They hurt some people, they help others.
Dr. Szasz is not entirely correct.
Some times these medications allow people to function - who otherwise would be dangerous to themselves or others.
Some times the medications make matters worse.
6782485 4 years ago
'Function' is subjective. Sure, they might dull them into oblivion so they will be more robotic, compliant, and supposedly 'functional' patients, but this is only within a very narrow, shortsighted scope. Same with living with them at home. Families don't want to accept even some blame for the problem and are tired of it so they accept zombielike compliance as 'improvement'.
sociopathicregret 4 years ago
Many people originally just are going through a very difficult time, and are then emotionally raped by the psychiatric system, seriously worsening their condition and setting a vicious cycle of drugging and further brain damage.
sociopathicregret 4 years ago
I have seen people suffer extreme side effects on psychotropic medication - mostly in the 1980's. By the 90's Florida State Hospital had begun to listen to the patients and address concerns of over sedation, movement disorders, dry mouth, hair loss, etc. Current practise at the hospital is minimal dosing and monotherapy (single drug as opposed to drug cocktails).
6782485 4 years ago
The individuals I work with have severe psychosis. Unmedicated these people suffer from extreme paranoia, anxiety, with command hallucinations, tactile hallucinations, visual hallucinations WHICH cause them to be imminently dangerous to themselves and others (as evidenced by the deaths of their family members, neighbors, and/or innocent by-standers).
6782485 4 years ago
I created a new video covering these latest Scientology murders. A google search on the terms "scientology murder australia" will turn up the newspaper articles. Some are giving the names of the murderer and her parents while most sources have refrained from doing so.
Scientology kills. The fact that psychiatry is also a major fraud is beside the point.
NotSoOldHippy 4 years ago
No it's not beside the point of this video. The point of this video is to address psychiatry. If you want to tear at Scientology in another video, go ahead, I despise that cult too, but that's not the issue in this particular video.
NaturalSelection2 4 years ago
"If you want to tear at Scientology in another video..."
There's no need. The Scientology crime syndicate is organized crime which has never and never will help anyone. Scientology rooks and swindles ignorant gullible rubes out of money. THAT is the issue here. They are NOT an "alternative" to actual mental health. Scientology kills its customers in percentages far greater than the mental health industry which itself has a bad record.
NotSoOldHippy 4 years ago
Of course they aren't an alternative. Are you claiming I said this? I'm merely stating a fact. Don't tell me what the issue here is. The video is about psychiatry, not Scientology, and Thomas Szasz is not a Scientologist.
NaturalSelection2 4 years ago
Thomas szasz helped found the citzens commision on human rights in 1969 with the church of scientology. This is one of thier videos. So scientology is involved.
simontam777 4 years ago
Care to confirm that idea with at least some anecdotal evidence? Scientology isn't any worse than your average religion (with blood on its hands) or terrorist organizations such as the CIA....
sociopathicregret 4 years ago
So scientology isn't any worse than other shitty religions? oh Ok!
simontam777 4 years ago 2
...so true, and also remember....
psychotherapist = psycho-the-rapist
KellyKel16 4 years ago
I see that Scientology has killed again. Two more dead in Australia after the Scientology crooks ordered some of their followers to deny their daughter the medication she needed. The daughter knifed three people, murdering two because she needed the medication to stay sane.
Scientology kills.
NotSoOldHippy 4 years ago
I am sure that psychiatry would invert the order of things, by suggesting she killed herself due to a drug deficiency, when she was suffering from the effects of the drugs - i.e., withdrawal. Should people not stop alcoholism because of the withdrawal symptoms associated with cessation?
libertyeconomics 4 years ago
No, she murdered her Scientology parents who were ordered to force her to stop taking her medication. She also tried to murder a third. Scientology ordered the parents to force their daughter to stop taking her medication.
Scientology kills.
NotSoOldHippy 4 years ago
For all of the faults of Scientology has in abstract, I give Scientology credit for their opposition to psychiatry. However, that is called erecting a strawman, when you conflate opposition to psychiatry with Scientology. You do realize that there are plenty of non-Scientologists who have came to the same conclusions on this issue.
libertyeconomics 4 years ago
"For all of the faults of Scientology has in abstract, I give Scientology credit for their opposition to psychiatry."
I also oppose 90% of what the mental health industry does. At the same time, the reason why the Scientology crime syndicate opposes mental health is because Hubbard was insane. Pssychiatry is part of the "Marcabian invasion fleet" plan to keep humanity enslaved, according to the syndicate.
NotSoOldHippy 4 years ago
I am not fan of L. Ron Hubbard, nor Scientology. However, having read what L. Ron Hubbard wrote - disagreeing with most of it - I would not say he was insane. An insane person could not use the level of reasoning he did in his arguments. I believe Scientology's opposition to psychiatry is rooted more in the fact that Scientology is a competitor of psychiatry - i.e., it equally seeks to control people, and psychiatry was a roadblock. We have the case of two demons going after eachother.
libertyeconomics 4 years ago
David Koresh was insane and cult leaders are generally insane. Perhaps "insane" isn't the best term in this case but he was an expert on manipulation, and to his followers he appeared very charismatic..He was psychotic, to say the least, plain and simple. What sane person honestly believes in Xenu or that we evolved from clams? If he did, he was crazy, if not, he was dangerous.
NaturalSelection2 4 years ago
"David Koresh was insane and cult leaders are generally insane."
David Miscaviage is also insane. He shoots photographs of one-time syndicate leaders (like Arnie Lerma) he covers his water glass with plastic so nobody poisons him, and he murdered Hubbard after injecting him was an OD of Visteral.
Scientology's top crime boss is PROFOUNDLY insane.
NotSoOldHippy 4 years ago
I think you give Scientology too much credit. The anti-psychiatry thing should probably be filed along with glancing at a broken clock at just the right time of day. They are more a liability than an asset in the battle for freedom of the mind. Learn about them and you'll see. The Xenu thing is just silly but read about "operation Snow White" and the words and views of L. Ron Hubbard so you'll understand the full extent of their crimes.
GBanville 4 years ago 2
Actually the person was on drug therapy and under a doctors care. A Psychiatrist stated that she must have gone off meds at some stage---no proof was given, no evidence was given it was a opinion.
Hell we dont even know if the dead people were scientologist at all but we do know the patient was under doctors care and on meds---this seems to be a case of protecting the treatment NOT the patient or the victims .
crazydragonkenpo 4 years ago
Why don't people read anymore? You completely missed libertyeconomics' point.
NaturalSelection2 4 years ago
"Why don't people read anymore?"
I agree. Go to Xenu dot Net and read all about the Scientology crime syndicate and what it does to otherwise healthy people.
NotSoOldHippy 4 years ago
Is that a stab at me or the poster of this video? Because I have. However, I know that Thomas Szasz is himself an independent thinker, not a Scientologist. i believe it was me you quoted there. I'm not sure what to think at the moment other than, indeed, I know Scientology's crimes, but this video is about psychiatry.
NaturalSelection2 4 years ago
Yeah, he's an "independent thinker " This video is a scientology video. Filmed at a cchr awards banquet.
simontam777 4 years ago
Agreed. That's one of my fears, but I plan to get off of Luvox sooner or later..slowly, not suddenly of course.
NaturalSelection2 4 years ago
The man hasn't spent one of those "60 years practicing psychiatry" treating people with Schizophrenia or Bipolar disorder; yet his lackeys still quote him as if he was an expert on the subject. Most of his "psychiatry" practice is traditional freudian psycho-analysis (Of course, he gets the bulk of his income from his books and lectures).
Anti-Psychiatry appears to be a larger anomaly on the internet then it is in reality.
SayNoToCulture 4 years ago
I'm having trouble parsing the final statement of your post. Here's what I get:
Anti-Psychiatry is an anomaly
This anomaly appears to be larger on the internet than it is in reality.
Anomaly means rare weird, hard to explain, etc.
So, people who are against psychiatry are rare, but there are more of them online than offline.
Do you think that implies something about the value of psychiatry? It seems to me that the internet is the voice of the people.
GBanville 4 years ago
i don't think this is exactly exposing all of psychiatry as a pseudo science. it's simply saying that it's flawed. shrinks, whether you like it or not, do a lot of good. throwing medicine at misbehaviors isn't exactly the practice of all that practice.
dwdavey 4 years ago
for Slö and others
jsaus21 4 years ago
Anti-psychiaytry sympathies don't indicate membership in the Church of Scientology..that's what sensible people know as "guilt by association".
NaturalSelection2 4 years ago
It takes a lot of guts to take on the pharma-funded psych industry for over 50 years as Dr. Szasz does. Bravo!
HankMatthews 4 years ago
Alright, someone put me on the Scientologist's enemy list. I have crimes agaist the church.
screwyou62 4 years ago
Oh the young have a lot to learn,I'd listen to the expert with 60 years of experience over a piss ant 16 year old who is still being breast fed.
wellingtonian 4 years ago
Dude, you right, I'm only 16 and I suppose I'm the only one who believes psychiatry is not an industry of death also. I bet you worsip people like Tom Cruise.
screwyou62 4 years ago
Psychiatry kills people and does not help them. Study the facts yourself, it is an industry of death. This is a huge anti-Psych movement even being carried out by the Psychs themselves.
poopscoop33 4 years ago
Psychiatry is not an industry of death. Some people actually require medication for severe disorders. Granted psychiatrists also prescribe drugs for "disorders" such as ADHD and ADD that Szasz argues as being a reification or fallacy; however many mental disorders, mostly of biological etiology do require medication. Such disorders can include schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, clinical depression, etc. People with such disorders end up doing much harm to themselves.
chinkoo 4 years ago
Dude, your 16, and he has been practicing Psychiatry for 60 years. Do you think your the Expert? He knows what he's talking about, and you say he has a Disease because he's exposing Psychiatry as a farce, a system meant to control populations. Obviously it works on you... Open your mind, nothing is as it seems these days, and it takes a keen eye, and a sharp mind to discover the truth of what's going on. I'm with him on this, because your a teenager, and he's a veteran Psychiatrist.
theranter 5 years ago
No, he doesn't know what he's talking about. He spouts libertarian nonsense and helps religious cult support their wacky nonsense!
simontam777 4 years ago
You have what shrinks call an "unhealthy" obsession with Scientology. Unlike Christians, Scientologists never fomented an Inquisition, have no history of pogroms, never defended slavery. Scientology causes no violence or social discord characteristic of other religions. It can't be that you think Scientology's beliefs to be any more absurd than another other religions? All religion is based on fantastic bunk. Are you a psychiatrist or have some special interest in "mental health" issues?
nicmart 4 years ago
Inquisition? Scientology has only been around since Hubbard introduced it in what, the 60's? Not having had the chance to have an inquisition isn't the same thing as having a different moral status. Its like a 6 year old saying to an old man "At least I've never beaten anyone up!"
It does have bilking people out of their money for lies, medical malpractice, going exterior, operation Snow White etc. In fact, in proportion to its age it has an amazing list of crimes against humanity to its record.
GBanville 4 years ago 2
Crimes against humanity by Scientology? Are you familiar with the history of psychiatry? Do Scientologists do lobotomies? Do they electroshock and insulin shock innocent people?
You might want to pick up a copy of Dr. Szasz latest book: Coercion as Cure: A Critical History of Psychiatry
In that book you will find genuine crimes against humanity.
When Scientologists obtain the power to cause imprisonment without trial, as psychiatrists can, I'll worry.
nicmart 4 years ago
Are you having trouble tracking topic? Look again at what I wrote. Am I comparing $cientology to psychiatry? No. Scientology has bankrupted people, brainwashed them, ruined their lives, their health and killed a very large number of people for such a young "religion."
GBanville 4 years ago 3
The video is about psychiatry, and my interest is psychiatric violence. Like Szasz, I'm an atheist, but I appreciate Scientology's opposition to psychiatry. Adherents to all religions have regrets; this is not particular to Scientology. I know of no sizable Western religion that doesn't ask for money. As for people you say were "killed" by Scientology, I take this to be nonsense absent any credible source.
I'm bemused by the hysteria. Most critics seem to be psychiatrists and their supporters.
nicmart 4 years ago
If you think something you've said against me has hit your mark you assume too much.
What sets scientology apart most is that it is a transparent fraud from its documented recent formation to present.
In the long run, bad psychiatry may be the worse of the two, but that's no reason to make common cause with a fraudulent cult guilty of fraudulent medical claims, rights abuses and murder. A wealth of information is available online by simply studying scientology or searching words I've given.
GBanville 4 years ago 2
If the best you can offer is Google you have a credibility problem. Where's the "wealth of information" about the killing? Anti-Scientologism seems akin in nature (though not in scope) to anti-Semitism. Do Scientologists kidnap children and poison wells? I can find claims (all bogus) on Google that Jews do.
Viewed rationally, all religions are absurd. But, I would gladly have worked with Quaker abolitionists, and support Szasz's work with Scientologists opposing psychiatric violence.
nicmart 4 years ago
When I find a book written by a person unaffiliated with Scientology that tells me psychiatry is comepletely bogus, maybe I'll agree.
Tehchamp999 4 years ago 3