PROBLEM IS NOBODY REALLY KNOWS. And we all act as if these (always epistemologically arrogant) particle physicists do. The should have all be forced first to study biophysics, complexity, earth physics, geology, biology, neuro-studies and consciousness (even finance), in order to get in touch with reality, planet, human nature, etc. and grasp some bits of the real context they live and work in. Perhaps they would then become a bit more humble and aware of the immensely complex world around them.
Wright. Sorry I did not mean to degrade your IQ, but just put it into perspective within a framework of basic real science and some valid data for the topic of our dicussion -as much as can be done here anyway- so Prof Krauss explanation of the microwave background image, but obviuosly that don't count to you, and claiming God exists because the Universe exists IS what's lame. I am sorry but if I you are wrong, I can't do anything about the way that delussion makes you feel.
What is just theories? Time is a mere theory to you? if so... I'm done here. "For all YOU know time might not exists", now THAT'S a reasonable way to put it. Claiming your limited knowledge on such a subject matter is everything we've got is what's foolish. The U means UNIVERSE. And NOPE you are confusing "u"niverse"s" with the U or Cosmos, or -in layman's terms- "the ultimate group of STUFF", be that many universes with different laws of physics than these of "ours" or not.
..you clearly have only limited -intuitive- knowledge of what you're talking about. "Things cannot come from nothing?"; "the Universe must have a begining, hence God exists?"... nonsense. Question for you, why do you think you with your limited knowledge can assert the right answer out of mere wishful thinking?.
What this video, please. "A Universe From Nothing' by Lawrence Krauss, AAI 2009" is a vid that's over 1hr long, but hey, the U deserves AT LEAST that much respect. ];)
Nope- Time is just a human perception as space and the three dimensions we see of it. Time is real.
More over, everything is made out of time, yet the same cannot be said of space. It takes a trained mind to see this facts, our brain has evolved to be practical in the world we lived, not to grasp the deep down core of cosmology with of the back intuition.. so don't feel bad if you don't at first. Remember the U is all, so there is NO outside the U as religion often likes to bluff
The "begining point" --of view is the error there. See the universe "started", and so did time.
Before time there was NO time. I guess 500 chars won't do to explain that, but is kinda like this; the universe has a "begining, but, it does not". It is an infinite regression to 0. It is clear there was no time before the expansion, in fact the expansion itself IS time. If you take the God shortcut you have to say HE is timeless... which is nonsense, for why can't the U be so then.
You need the mass of around 20 suns to make a black hole......I think we're safe enough letting them play with a few particles and relatively small amounts amounts of energy.....Now, everyone go back to the Nibiru videos.
You need the mass of around 20 suns to make a black hole...I think we're safe enough letting them play with a few particles....Now, everyone go back to the Nibiru videos.
So sit back , relax and let the physisits do their job. ofcourse based on theory and particles they never "observed" bur telax they KNOW what they are doing
morons
We sat back and relaxed watching Monsanto creating huge problems, but i am sure this is different. You know... these are physisits with PHD's LOL
So sit back , relax and let the physisits do their job. ofcourse based on theory and particles they never "observed" bur telax they KNOW what they are doing
@Mooknuc1 Please specify what you it is that I've said that you doubt or disagree with. I do pay attention to developments in the field of particle physics. And with all due respect, you are seeming a bit on the abjectly ignorant side, right now.
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omg, they said that even if it did create a black hole, it would die in about 3 seconds because black holes get smaller when they arnt feeding, and at the size it would shrink into nothing by 3 seconds, because there is NO stray particle in the collider.
So you think they have just two particles whizzing around in different directions to collide? A little black hole will be great for sucking up the other particles whizzing around...!
It’s only important if black hols are created by the LHC, you wrongly claimed there will be no stray particle in the collider and so a black hole will not survive. You may as well believe in the unproven Hawking radiation and be like the scientists who believe in the unproven Hawking radiation will save the World from any black holes..!
If you can’t take it then maybe in the future you should research more before making comments on movie clips like this one and maybe you should stop calling people like bloodeyez2 a dumbass..!
Some of the things bloodeyez2 stated about the scientists is true and that is regardless what others think because they are not entirely right and fallen for the hogwash from the scientists.
The LHC was not launched five years ago, it was in 2008 proton beams circulated the LHC without colliding anything and closed down because of damage, the LHC was launched again in 2009. But that is not the statements bloodeyez2 made about the scientists.
It does not bother me if you block me, but you may need to change your profile age from 21 to 11. You’re acting like a 11 year old for sure, but thought you were joking when stating in the comments you were 11 and when your profile is stating 21 at the moment..!
Their right, it doesn't create black holes. What it does is open a portal to a hostile universe where aliens try to invade and destroy our planet. (Half-Life ftw).
8 BILLION, haha thats like 8 THOUSAND people all putting 1 MILLION $ towards it.who funded this,who gave it the go ahead ????? astonishing! surely thats by far the most expensive thing ever built, 8BILLION $
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or why not spend the 8 Billion dollars on the little things...you know? like Aids, Cancer or Parkinsons disease.lol Stupid fucking government of ours.
@monkeyology1 yeah, investing in science is not a good thing. when was the last thing science has ever done for mankind? better leave it to the hand of god
@monkeyology1 why not take the billions from your countries military budget for that? obviously they dont know what to do with the military force anyway.
Regarding the Earth Destruction bit... why do the physicists themselves fuel the flames by uttering falsehoods about LHC creating particles which haven't existed since the Big Bang? Those very particles are getting created, en masse, through collisions in out upper atmosphere this very minute. The difference is that we don't have sophisticated detectors up there to study them. If people understood that, then we wouldn't have to deal with this nonsense about black holes eating the World.
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OR better yet! why don'they just shut up and stop making all the hype until they actually conclude the research!
In the rush for relevance and recognition, modern scientists have become champions of half-baked science. Now they "discover" things before those things are actually disvovered. Lying, falsifyng results, making conclusions after nonrepetitivee experiments, all for a nobel prize.
Now its worse, they're now corporating en masse to push flawed science into the mainstream.
@bloodeyez2 : You've got a little foam running out the corner of your mouth there, btw.
We have a pretty good idea just what questions LHC is likely to answer. Depending upon the answers, we have some idea what new questions might be raised. Beyond that... and the really interesting bit... is that there will no doubt be questions raised which we didn't expect. The most exciting phrase in science is not "Eureka!" but "Hmmm... That's odd...".
Well, now it has broken down for another year, what a bloody waste of money! Over $6 billion spent on something with close to zero value for human kind, just so some intellectual elitist jerks can come up with more guesses about how the universe came to be - in order to increase their false sense of importance in society.
All that money should have been spent on fighting hunger, poverty, diseases, etc which are more important to humanity's survival.
In as much as I support science, I detest wasteful science. When you take out $6 billion of public money for a research, you better come up with something objective and meaningful. This machine has been breaking down ever since its inception, so much so that I bet by the time this latest 1 yr shutdown is over, another part would've broken down or deteriorated.
I'm pretty sure there'll be falsification of results as pressure mounts to justify all that money spent on something that doesn't work.
@bloodeyez2 : Troll. History clearly demonstrates that new particle accelerators typically have a teething period and then settle down. The Tevatron has been stable for years and years. Take your ignorance elsewhere, please.
Moron, a 30-ton transformer that cools part of the particle smasher had broken within hours of it's launch last week, after that a mishap days ago resulted in "a large helium leak" into the collider's tunnel. What part of the "scheduled maintenance" does all that fit in?! or are you just another retard with a computer?
Let me guess, when something goes wrong you "scientific" types tell people its part of the plan because they are all too stupid to understand anyway? right?! YOU IMBECILE!
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Which brings me to the reasons people shouldn't let their tax money be given to scientists for researches when they have no idea what purpose and benefit such research would bring to their lives.
After a runing cost of about $10 billion, they tell you a breakdown is a scheduled maintenance, lol, and the science of what they're doing is too complicated for the moronic citizens (whose money is funding the project) to understand, so no one should ask questions. Intellectual elitism at its finest!
Yes a negative mass particle is a difficult thing to wrap your head around, but if you think about it the concept makes sense. A proton that has mass cannot simply appear from nothing, so to balance it out a negative mass particle must also be created to act as a sort of counter weight.
This has nothing to do with the charge of the particle since a negatively charged particle doesn't change the mass of an object.
@falconfira No kidding. You can't have less than 0 mass, if you could the object would travel faster than light which just won't do. The documentary is oversimplifying the concept to the point that it's just wrong. If a particle had negative mass it would repell it's partner and they wouldn't ever meet.
It's not balanced by a negative mass particle but a negative CHARGE particle. Right, charge doesn't change it's mass. Electrons and positrons have the same mass and opposite charge.
@falconfira Look, go to Wiki and type in the name of any antiparticle you want, none will show a negative mass.
They usually have a negative charge, but in the case of an antineutrino it has an opposite baryon number rather than charge since a neutron has 0 charge anyway. (Remember it's the qwarks that are opposite since they're the fundimental particles inside protons and neutrons)
Can somebody please answer- what is the effect of powerful external magnetic and electric fields on the Hawking radiation from a micro-BH that is trapped within those fields?
@motherofallemails wait are you afraid of the magnetic forces and electric fields? cause your talking about an EMP field which isn't dangerous to humans at all. the only way this device could mess you up is if you broke into the facilty and put yourself into the machine where the partials collided WHEN they were doing the exparement. short of that this thing can't really hurt anyone.
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There should be a "world vote" for the question if they can use the LHC or not. I dont wanna take any risk to die just for some nerdy experiment maybe?
There should be some world vote to see if we let people play tennis as well, since the energies involved in the LHC experiment are roughly equivalent to a tennis ball traveling at 60 miles per hour.
God I wish we could just stop idiots from breeding.
@nickharvey7 honestly the forces this thing produces aren't going to be much bigger. we should just outlaw fire and all technology if we shut this thing down. quickly Sheeple smash your computer in front of you before it destroys the the world from a short circuit XD.
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Yeah the gamma burst hitting the upper atmosphere may be more powerful but there natural and random
What will happen with the LHC is that they will get close to discovering the Haydon particle and figure out that a 'great'' was to boost energy output and maybe solve the worlds energy problem is to tailor produce a mix or leptons n quarks to create a energy state to excite the Boson field that to their surprise will have a cascade effect turning all CERN matter into reaction mass IN/EXPLOSION
no the LHC is not dangerous! for that matter, people shouldn't even be scared of black holes because it is possible that these microscopic (and macroscopic) black holes are responsible for the creation of parallel universes.
"Is it really wise for us to take this risk?What if the LHC creates a black hole or duplicates the Big Bang?"
Sure. And what if the LHC suddenly turns the world inside-out? What if it opens the doorway between our world and the world of the leprechauns? What if it causes dragons and unicorns to exist? What if it brings back Disco?
i can't believe there are smart, educated people who can build things like this and then there are the dumb ignorant pieces of shit. I just wish people valued education more instead of treating it like a prison and acting like homework and good grades are for fags.
@stonecoldatheist93 Totally agree with you grades suck and do not represent how smart someone is. School is for learning but they make it to be prison, its really retarded.
yes ,, i can here them k-now o look at that one wow there, a squiggle one , o gsh and a curly one,, yeah right ,we will be fine , O ,and the still unanswered question where did they go ,?
why dose it make no sense there similar to a magna star with a cronia that acts like Einstein-Rouen Bridge the core striped and expels matter at the poles where it forms large clouds in the outer galactic sphere re assembling into mine galaxy which are then assimilated into the main galactic body
@AnonEyeMouse Actually the machine operates at -273 degrees celcius and the tube is a vacuum. They need to cool the wiring to this temperature because it becomes superconductive meaning the wires have zero electrical resistance.
Is that CAS scientist really thinking it might produce another Big Bang? Hilarious. The Big Bang came AFTER the basic mass and energy of the universe were already there, condensed into an irreproducible state. So, to make that happen again, the LHC would have to create not only an expansion event, but also an incomprehensible amount of mass and energy.
Well, he's smirking, so he's probably just taking the piss.
Speculation only: maybe one day we will be able to construct a machine that will cause another Big Bang, obliterating everything the one that created us caused. In fact, maybe that's the way it happens every time. And maybe by the time we have that power, we will have beaten the game anyway (learned all there is to know), and we will be ready for a new universe in any case. Fun to think about. Only speculation though.
if you are worried about it producing black holes then read up on Hawking Radiation. That will belay all your fears.... assuming you can grasp the concept of a negative mass particle.
@falconfira I'me not sure Hawking Radiation deals with negative mass particles. Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought it was just matter and antimatter, being positive and negative CHARGES, but they both have equal mass.
@falconfira Yeah I've seen that documentary but I think they have the language a bit wrong.
I have a pretty good qualitative understanding of Hawking Radiation and virtual particles as a consequence of quantum electrodynamics.
Virtual particles come in pairs as a particle and antiparticle, like an electron and a positron. As we already know, when a particle and antiparticle meet, they convery their mass to energy.
At the event horizon of a black hole where these particles are bring created, a (say) positron can fall in, find an electron within the black hole, and annhilate with it, leaving the electron outside the event horizon which is now a real particle which floats off and is observed as 'radiation'.
Here's the thing; antiparticles don't have negative mass, they have negative charge, as does all antimatter. I don't think "negative mass" can exist. It's like negative temperature in K.
@falconfira Sorry, slight correction: Antimatter doesn't have "Negative charge" but rather OPPOSITE charge. So the antielectron (positron) has a positive charge (Since an electron has a negative charge) where an antiproton would have a negative charge.
don't have time to read through all the comments or much less dig to find support for my position, but / so, My question and or concern, if as I recall there is a fundamental calculation that says every proton neutron or something actually contains the entire mass of the known universe - mathematically ...wouldn't that indicate if it were liberated it would result in a ( nother) big bang? Re; causality loop. re: Star Trek TNG... Data?
Sorry, it's not like I get infinity and eternity confused but when quantum has sex with strings I lose track of multi-verses. I mean, really, interbreeding timelines? There should be one of those Newton law's or something...
you can thank the ignorance and opposition of religious organizations to furthering science by crying "the sky is falling!" every time there is an advance.
The problem I see...their delusional voice gets louder every year.
Don't blame the public, blame the education system. The particle they are talking about here is the higs boson, it is credited with giving other particles mass, but so far it has not been seen outside of theory.
"Don't blame the public, blame the education system."
Popular coverage also does have some to do with the problem.
The Higgs boson you referenced is commonly referred to as the "God particle", which while it may be apt gets the more conspiratorial people in our society ranting and raving about scientists trying to play God...
I don't mind your argument on why young scientist may not be published. But (!) then you say it's the same/or close to the same with string theory.
So I did a google search for "string theorists" and found Alexander Belavin. He's born in the 1940's. Not young. And have already been published on other subjects besides string theory. Why not on string theory? Because it is very (!) hard to prove anything.
I'm sure that if they do prove it, most sceptic scientist will be happy aswell.
Cosmic Rays pass through the Earth. The LHC may 'produce' 'em in situ. That's a bit different.
Scientists enjoy being held in high regard but, they can have an element of arrogance that tries to dismiss what they brand 'Doomsday scare mongerers'. Well, the LHC is an experiment and as such it is delving into the unknown. They may theorise all they like but, they'll never guarantee 100% Just ask 'em.
To smash particles also runs the risk of producing new disfigured matter. Like a bitten Apple.
@Topdoginuk No, they can in fact guarantee 100%. Cosmic rays have been hitting the earth in all its history. Some of these do have energies much higher than 100EeV, whereas the LHC operates in the lower TeV scale. These rays are million times more energetic! Thus, if there would be any possibility of some exotic matter, that could destroy the earth, it would have happened a long time ago.
@SeltsamerAttraktor Not a single Physicist would be in their right mind to give a 100% guarantee, unless they were so insular & egoistic as fear their Nobel Prize slipping away!
Cosmic Rays pass through. They are not in situ. Mini Black Holes (MBH) are unlikely but, never 100% so.
'Exotic', 'damaged' matter can never be ruled out as a consequence of the LHC. Whether they pose a threat would remain to be seen.
I'm as keen as anyone else to see what transpires from LHC. Higgs? Unknowns perhaps?
@Topdoginuk Neutrinos pass through, and maybe other Stuff that doesn't interact by EM (dark matter). But all normal matter / gamma rays loose their energy, when they go through the atmosphere, by creating a huge shower of particles. If something harmful could be produced, there would have been cascades that gave birth to some of those particles with such a low velocity, that they'd be trapped in earth's gravity well. Period.
Even if a mini-black hole were created it would not pose a danger due to it's tiny mass. A blackhole can only have the mass equivalent to the matter and energy that went into making it or that it has captured. Seeing as the matter/energy of the LHC experiements are orders of magnitude less than the mass of the Earth, an mini-blackholes would last the briefest of moments before being torn open by the Earth's gravitational field.
It's like being worried about being trampled under foot by an ant.
If the particles have mass then it is impossible for them to accelerate the particles to the speed of light. They would have to start changing the laws of physics if they wanted to run the collider at the speed of light.
The superconducting magnets aren't up to the task. The engineers at CERN discovered this after one of their magnets melted down and forced the LHC offline for several months last year. The good news is that after the scheduled upgrades later this decade, the magnets should be able do deal with full power experiments. :-)
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P0RBY 1 month ago 15
PROBLEM IS NOBODY REALLY KNOWS. And we all act as if these (always epistemologically arrogant) particle physicists do. The should have all be forced first to study biophysics, complexity, earth physics, geology, biology, neuro-studies and consciousness (even finance), in order to get in touch with reality, planet, human nature, etc. and grasp some bits of the real context they live and work in. Perhaps they would then become a bit more humble and aware of the immensely complex world around them.
KanchoKomancho 1 month ago
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ctopdirs 1 month ago
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JeniTheBat 1 month ago
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TheJatmikoo 1 month ago
Interesting video
MyDavidsun 2 months ago
Great stuff
andreeaweed 2 months ago
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TheSanovita 2 months ago
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MrYendor1968 3 months ago
@RealityEyes01
Wright. Sorry I did not mean to degrade your IQ, but just put it into perspective within a framework of basic real science and some valid data for the topic of our dicussion -as much as can be done here anyway- so Prof Krauss explanation of the microwave background image, but obviuosly that don't count to you, and claiming God exists because the Universe exists IS what's lame. I am sorry but if I you are wrong, I can't do anything about the way that delussion makes you feel.
DrErkencho 4 months ago
@RealityEyes01
What is just theories? Time is a mere theory to you? if so... I'm done here. "For all YOU know time might not exists", now THAT'S a reasonable way to put it. Claiming your limited knowledge on such a subject matter is everything we've got is what's foolish. The U means UNIVERSE. And NOPE you are confusing "u"niverse"s" with the U or Cosmos, or -in layman's terms- "the ultimate group of STUFF", be that many universes with different laws of physics than these of "ours" or not.
DrErkencho 4 months ago
@DrErkencho
..you clearly have only limited -intuitive- knowledge of what you're talking about. "Things cannot come from nothing?"; "the Universe must have a begining, hence God exists?"... nonsense. Question for you, why do you think you with your limited knowledge can assert the right answer out of mere wishful thinking?.
What this video, please. "A Universe From Nothing' by Lawrence Krauss, AAI 2009" is a vid that's over 1hr long, but hey, the U deserves AT LEAST that much respect. ];)
DrErkencho 4 months ago
@RealityEyes01
Nope- Time is just a human perception as space and the three dimensions we see of it. Time is real.
More over, everything is made out of time, yet the same cannot be said of space. It takes a trained mind to see this facts, our brain has evolved to be practical in the world we lived, not to grasp the deep down core of cosmology with of the back intuition.. so don't feel bad if you don't at first. Remember the U is all, so there is NO outside the U as religion often likes to bluff
DrErkencho 4 months ago
@RealityEyes01
The "begining point" --of view is the error there. See the universe "started", and so did time.
Before time there was NO time. I guess 500 chars won't do to explain that, but is kinda like this; the universe has a "begining, but, it does not". It is an infinite regression to 0. It is clear there was no time before the expansion, in fact the expansion itself IS time. If you take the God shortcut you have to say HE is timeless... which is nonsense, for why can't the U be so then.
DrErkencho 4 months ago
I'm sure it's safer than religion.
brongarago 7 months ago
Damn those guys are smart! Respect for them!
TheDutchWings 9 months ago
You need the mass of around 20 suns to make a black hole......I think we're safe enough letting them play with a few particles and relatively small amounts amounts of energy.....Now, everyone go back to the Nibiru videos.
SpasticatedCunt 10 months ago 2
You need the mass of around 20 suns to make a black hole...I think we're safe enough letting them play with a few particles....Now, everyone go back to the Nibiru videos.
SpasticatedCunt 10 months ago
So sit back , relax and let the physisits do their job. ofcourse based on theory and particles they never "observed" bur telax they KNOW what they are doing
morons
We sat back and relaxed watching Monsanto creating huge problems, but i am sure this is different. You know... these are physisits with PHD's LOL
morons
sirbata 10 months ago
So sit back , relax and let the physisits do their job. ofcourse based on theory and particles they never "observed" bur telax they KNOW what they are doing
morons
sirbata 10 months ago
Sadly Scientists have more faith in the Higgs particle which has never been seen or observed then to simply believe that God created the universe
nato3688 11 months ago
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gibsonguy887 8 months ago
I wonder if the shattered proton particles shall re-arrange themselves back into a proton once the bang has happened.
MrYasa7 11 months ago
@Mooknuc1 Please specify what you it is that I've said that you doubt or disagree with. I do pay attention to developments in the field of particle physics. And with all due respect, you are seeming a bit on the abjectly ignorant side, right now.
What is your evidence that some danger exists?
sbergman27 1 year ago
Ahh, reading conversations like this gives peace to my heart :3
Mariuspersem 1 year ago
They should have made it a square... That circle will never work! .....stupid particles
patmoke 1 year ago
Repent!! The end is near!! I have a feeling that what will happen in 2012 has something to do with this....
warrenchikchik 1 year ago
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raymart7823456 1 year ago
omg, they said that even if it did create a black hole, it would die in about 3 seconds because black holes get smaller when they arnt feeding, and at the size it would shrink into nothing by 3 seconds, because there is NO stray particle in the collider.
im 11, and i know more than these dumbass's.
shoshanish 1 year ago
@shoshanish
So you think they have just two particles whizzing around in different directions to collide? A little black hole will be great for sucking up the other particles whizzing around...!
Wh47n0w1517 1 year ago
@Wh47n0w1517 yeah, i do think that, because thats what it is.
they send particles in, 2 at a time.
shoshanish 1 year ago
@shoshanish
They are not that clever, they can’t just send in two particles at a time and in the hope they collide.
Wh47n0w1517 1 year ago
@Wh47n0w1517 you know what, its not that important.
end of conversation.
shoshanish 1 year ago
@shoshanish
It’s only important if black hols are created by the LHC, you wrongly claimed there will be no stray particle in the collider and so a black hole will not survive. You may as well believe in the unproven Hawking radiation and be like the scientists who believe in the unproven Hawking radiation will save the World from any black holes..!
Wh47n0w1517 1 year ago
@Wh47n0w1517 END OF DISCUSSION!
shoshanish 1 year ago
@shoshanish
If you can’t take it then maybe in the future you should research more before making comments on movie clips like this one and maybe you should stop calling people like bloodeyez2 a dumbass..!
Some of the things bloodeyez2 stated about the scientists is true and that is regardless what others think because they are not entirely right and fallen for the hogwash from the scientists.
Wh47n0w1517 1 year ago
@Wh47n0w1517 what part are you not getting about this?
end of topic.
stfu.
(also, whothefuck is bloodeye?)
shoshanish 1 year ago
@Wh47n0w1517 oh wait i see him..
wtf, he didnt say nothing ut trash, he said it was launched 1 year ago, bu it was launched about 5 years ago.
shoshanish 1 year ago
@shoshanish
The LHC was not launched five years ago, it was in 2008 proton beams circulated the LHC without colliding anything and closed down because of damage, the LHC was launched again in 2009. But that is not the statements bloodeyez2 made about the scientists.
Wh47n0w1517 1 year ago
@Wh47n0w1517 also, i will block you if you keep talking, so stfu.
END, THE, FUCKING, CONVO.
shoshanish 1 year ago
@shoshanish
It does not bother me if you block me, but you may need to change your profile age from 21 to 11. You’re acting like a 11 year old for sure, but thought you were joking when stating in the comments you were 11 and when your profile is stating 21 at the moment..!
Wh47n0w1517 1 year ago
@Wh47n0w1517 ill change it to 13, because thats how old you need to be to have a profile.
shoshanish 1 year ago
Their right, it doesn't create black holes. What it does is open a portal to a hostile universe where aliens try to invade and destroy our planet. (Half-Life ftw).
MrLaser77 1 year ago
ok so basicly theres no chance in hell this thing will make a black hole. My friends an idiot
rzq100 1 year ago
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God create the universe
CristyFIare 1 year ago
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God made the universe
CristyFIare 1 year ago
God made the universe!!!
CristyFIare 1 year ago
@CristyFIare no. no your magical wizard from heaven didnt make the universe
rzq100 1 year ago
@CristyFIare yes! but how made god?
lexmixjay 1 year ago
@lexmixjay who**
lexmixjay 1 year ago
@lexmixjay how i go in heaven .. i know how create the universe :)
CristyFIare 1 year ago
@CristyFIare Think you'll find it's physics. Sorry break your God delusion bubble
peanuts2105 1 year ago
"Science. It works, bitches!" --abstrusegoose
einsteiniixy 1 year ago
8 BILLION, haha thats like 8 THOUSAND people all putting 1 MILLION $ towards it.who funded this,who gave it the go ahead ????? astonishing! surely thats by far the most expensive thing ever built, 8BILLION $
MurkyMists 1 year ago
@MurkyMists, Don't forget this was before Wal*Mart started stocking colliders in their larger stores.
ananiasacts 1 year ago
@MurkyMists ever heard of nuclear fusion reactor or international space station?
VarykGerai 1 year ago
@MurkyMists The most expensive thing ever built? Fuck, you're ignorant.
hornetobiker 1 year ago
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or why not spend the 8 Billion dollars on the little things...you know? like Aids, Cancer or Parkinsons disease.lol Stupid fucking government of ours.
monkeyology1 1 year ago
@monkeyology1 It's a false opposition, there is enough money for both.
TheRationalizer 1 year ago 5
@monkeyology1 yeah, investing in science is not a good thing. when was the last thing science has ever done for mankind? better leave it to the hand of god
burny6666 1 year ago
@monkeyology1
Yeh but you should see how much they spend on wars.
TheMatrixAussie 1 year ago
@monkeyology1 why not take the billions from your countries military budget for that? obviously they dont know what to do with the military force anyway.
VarykGerai 1 year ago
@monkeyology1 It's not your fucking government doing it you ignorant monkey.
hornetobiker 1 year ago
Regarding the Earth Destruction bit... why do the physicists themselves fuel the flames by uttering falsehoods about LHC creating particles which haven't existed since the Big Bang? Those very particles are getting created, en masse, through collisions in out upper atmosphere this very minute. The difference is that we don't have sophisticated detectors up there to study them. If people understood that, then we wouldn't have to deal with this nonsense about black holes eating the World.
sbergman27 1 year ago
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OR better yet! why don'they just shut up and stop making all the hype until they actually conclude the research!
In the rush for relevance and recognition, modern scientists have become champions of half-baked science. Now they "discover" things before those things are actually disvovered. Lying, falsifyng results, making conclusions after nonrepetitivee experiments, all for a nobel prize.
Now its worse, they're now corporating en masse to push flawed science into the mainstream.
bloodeyez2 1 year ago
@ bloodeyez2
There's so much bullshit in your comment that it's ludicrous. You ARE a moron and I'm no scientist.
Krumbz2003 1 year ago 2
@bloodeyez2 : You've got a little foam running out the corner of your mouth there, btw.
We have a pretty good idea just what questions LHC is likely to answer. Depending upon the answers, we have some idea what new questions might be raised. Beyond that... and the really interesting bit... is that there will no doubt be questions raised which we didn't expect. The most exciting phrase in science is not "Eureka!" but "Hmmm... That's odd...".
Start using your brain. And stop blathering.
sbergman27 1 year ago 11
Well, now it has broken down for another year, what a bloody waste of money! Over $6 billion spent on something with close to zero value for human kind, just so some intellectual elitist jerks can come up with more guesses about how the universe came to be - in order to increase their false sense of importance in society.
All that money should have been spent on fighting hunger, poverty, diseases, etc which are more important to humanity's survival.
bloodeyez2 1 year ago
In as much as I support science, I detest wasteful science. When you take out $6 billion of public money for a research, you better come up with something objective and meaningful. This machine has been breaking down ever since its inception, so much so that I bet by the time this latest 1 yr shutdown is over, another part would've broken down or deteriorated.
I'm pretty sure there'll be falsification of results as pressure mounts to justify all that money spent on something that doesn't work.
bloodeyez2 1 year ago
@bloodeyez2 : Troll. History clearly demonstrates that new particle accelerators typically have a teething period and then settle down. The Tevatron has been stable for years and years. Take your ignorance elsewhere, please.
sbergman27 1 year ago
Moron, a 30-ton transformer that cools part of the particle smasher had broken within hours of it's launch last week, after that a mishap days ago resulted in "a large helium leak" into the collider's tunnel. What part of the "scheduled maintenance" does all that fit in?! or are you just another retard with a computer?
Let me guess, when something goes wrong you "scientific" types tell people its part of the plan because they are all too stupid to understand anyway? right?! YOU IMBECILE!
bloodeyez2 1 year ago
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Which brings me to the reasons people shouldn't let their tax money be given to scientists for researches when they have no idea what purpose and benefit such research would bring to their lives.
After a runing cost of about $10 billion, they tell you a breakdown is a scheduled maintenance, lol, and the science of what they're doing is too complicated for the moronic citizens (whose money is funding the project) to understand, so no one should ask questions. Intellectual elitism at its finest!
bloodeyez2 1 year ago
@bloodeyez2 the collider launched like 5 years ago, dumbass.
shoshanish 1 year ago
@bloodeyez2 you're a moron.
honesty, go look in the mirror and see a moron looking back at you.
people like you don't deserve an opinion because you lack the faculty to formulate one.
CyberNeticRodent 1 year ago
@TheFifthApes
Yes a negative mass particle is a difficult thing to wrap your head around, but if you think about it the concept makes sense. A proton that has mass cannot simply appear from nothing, so to balance it out a negative mass particle must also be created to act as a sort of counter weight.
This has nothing to do with the charge of the particle since a negatively charged particle doesn't change the mass of an object.
falconfira 1 year ago
@falconfira No kidding. You can't have less than 0 mass, if you could the object would travel faster than light which just won't do. The documentary is oversimplifying the concept to the point that it's just wrong. If a particle had negative mass it would repell it's partner and they wouldn't ever meet.
It's not balanced by a negative mass particle but a negative CHARGE particle. Right, charge doesn't change it's mass. Electrons and positrons have the same mass and opposite charge.
TheFifthApes 1 year ago
@falconfira Look, go to Wiki and type in the name of any antiparticle you want, none will show a negative mass.
They usually have a negative charge, but in the case of an antineutrino it has an opposite baryon number rather than charge since a neutron has 0 charge anyway. (Remember it's the qwarks that are opposite since they're the fundimental particles inside protons and neutrons)
TheFifthApes 1 year ago
@TheFifthApes Sorry, antineutron, not antineutrono*
TheFifthApes 1 year ago
16 billion dollars 2 years up and running and ...nothing absolutly nothing
sirnicholson 1 year ago
I'm excited about the LHC. I'm anxious to hear the results. :3
IconOfSin88 1 year ago
Demolition derby loops were the same shape. And when you collided two chevys together you never got a volkswagon ...... you got two broken chevys.
duhCider 1 year ago
Can somebody please answer- what is the effect of powerful external magnetic and electric fields on the Hawking radiation from a micro-BH that is trapped within those fields?
motherofallemails 1 year ago
@motherofallemails wait are you afraid of the magnetic forces and electric fields? cause your talking about an EMP field which isn't dangerous to humans at all. the only way this device could mess you up is if you broke into the facilty and put yourself into the machine where the partials collided WHEN they were doing the exparement. short of that this thing can't really hurt anyone.
Gelyar 1 year ago
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There should be a "world vote" for the question if they can use the LHC or not. I dont wanna take any risk to die just for some nerdy experiment maybe?
totallyrandom02 1 year ago
"nerdy experiment"
But let's let people vote based on their IQ, so as to not let idiots regulate global politics.
cyberdemon107 1 year ago 4
There should be some world vote to see if we let people play tennis as well, since the energies involved in the LHC experiment are roughly equivalent to a tennis ball traveling at 60 miles per hour.
God I wish we could just stop idiots from breeding.
Phoboskomboa 1 year ago 3
I feel its a bit like Stone Age man hitting two flints together to create sparks!
nickharvey7 1 year ago
Basically... it is. It's just done with much better sensing equipment than our biological eyes, and stronger accelerators than our hands.
int3rl0per 1 year ago
@nickharvey7 honestly the forces this thing produces aren't going to be much bigger. we should just outlaw fire and all technology if we shut this thing down. quickly Sheeple smash your computer in front of you before it destroys the the world from a short circuit XD.
Gelyar 1 year ago
but wouldn't that money be better spent buying me a really nice stereo? woiuldn't it?
wdgeo 1 year ago
I love people's "chicken little" attitude.
formless777 1 year ago
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Yeah the gamma burst hitting the upper atmosphere may be more powerful but there natural and random
What will happen with the LHC is that they will get close to discovering the Haydon particle and figure out that a 'great'' was to boost energy output and maybe solve the worlds energy problem is to tailor produce a mix or leptons n quarks to create a energy state to excite the Boson field that to their surprise will have a cascade effect turning all CERN matter into reaction mass IN/EXPLOSION
Curas1 1 year ago
Well if it is dangerous and something happens i bet they're the first to run and hide wide we all sit unknowing. :D
nub50wn 1 year ago
People don't know the actual process. They just meddle with it from lamer's grounds.
teemuruskeepaa 1 year ago 2
WE will be fine until some nut job Nukes the world to bring back Jesus
GodKillerAtheist 1 year ago 5
no the LHC is not dangerous! for that matter, people shouldn't even be scared of black holes because it is possible that these microscopic (and macroscopic) black holes are responsible for the creation of parallel universes.
infinitenight2093 1 year ago
Why have my views/comments been removed? People beware, only approval agreeing views about the LHC are being shown.
Topdoginuk 1 year ago
"Is it really wise for us to take this risk?What if the LHC creates a black hole or duplicates the Big Bang?"
Sure. And what if the LHC suddenly turns the world inside-out? What if it opens the doorway between our world and the world of the leprechauns? What if it causes dragons and unicorns to exist? What if it brings back Disco?
What if? What if? What if?
Scare tactics.
lazyperfectionist1 1 year ago 3
"What if it causes dragons and unicorns to exist?"
That's not a scare tactic. I'd probably donate money to get this going!
Cyrathil 1 year ago
Ah, but what if it brings back Disco instead? Are you willing to risk that?
lazyperfectionist1 1 year ago 4
i can't believe there are smart, educated people who can build things like this and then there are the dumb ignorant pieces of shit. I just wish people valued education more instead of treating it like a prison and acting like homework and good grades are for fags.
stonecoldatheist93 1 year ago 12
@stonecoldatheist93 Totally agree with you grades suck and do not represent how smart someone is. School is for learning but they make it to be prison, its really retarded.
toddey65 1 year ago 2
This kinda feels like propaganda for creationists..........
microphon3 1 year ago
Higgs particle?
Meaning the Higgs-Boson?
hash1212 1 year ago
yes. just saying HB might confuse those who have no idea what it is.
;d
666norton420 1 year ago
@hash1212 Yes, I believe so.
elbay2 1 year ago
Some people say 'particle', some say 'boson', they're talking about the same (predicted-to-exist) thing.
kufr72 1 year ago
It is interesting for sure, but i don't think this puny little experiment of humans will be even close to the powers of the universe, no worries ;-)
Phyle9 1 year ago
yes ,, i can here them k-now o look at that one wow there, a squiggle one , o gsh and a curly one,, yeah right ,we will be fine , O ,and the still unanswered question where did they go ,?
ArachonidMembrain 1 year ago
are black holes the colds place in the universe
ArachonidMembrain 1 year ago
Actually they are very hot inside.
AnonEyeMouse 1 year ago
i'm going with cold , , one of us is right ,guess again ,,
ArachonidMembrain 1 year ago
Huge superdense environment that captures all energy and mass that comes into it?
It's super hot in there, trust me, it makes no sense for it to be cold.
AnonEyeMouse 1 year ago
why dose it make no sense there similar to a magna star with a cronia that acts like Einstein-Rouen Bridge the core striped and expels matter at the poles where it forms large clouds in the outer galactic sphere re assembling into mine galaxy which are then assimilated into the main galactic body
OrphanPaper 1 year ago
Simple. Energy, when compressed, becomes hotter.
Heat is the presense of vast amounts of energy (in simple terms).
For it to be cold then there must be an absence of energy.
It makes no sense for a blackhole to be cold.
AnonEyeMouse 1 year ago
@AnonEyeMouse Actually the machine operates at -273 degrees celcius and the tube is a vacuum. They need to cool the wiring to this temperature because it becomes superconductive meaning the wires have zero electrical resistance.
TheFifthApes 1 year ago
I'm not talking about the LHC, I'm talking about the insides of a black hole.
AnonEyeMouse 1 year ago
Is that CAS scientist really thinking it might produce another Big Bang? Hilarious. The Big Bang came AFTER the basic mass and energy of the universe were already there, condensed into an irreproducible state. So, to make that happen again, the LHC would have to create not only an expansion event, but also an incomprehensible amount of mass and energy.
Well, he's smirking, so he's probably just taking the piss.
blackwolf1200 1 year ago
Science is so exciting.
EclecticSceptic 1 year ago 3
Speculation only: maybe one day we will be able to construct a machine that will cause another Big Bang, obliterating everything the one that created us caused. In fact, maybe that's the way it happens every time. And maybe by the time we have that power, we will have beaten the game anyway (learned all there is to know), and we will be ready for a new universe in any case. Fun to think about. Only speculation though.
empbac 1 year ago 2
sounds like something Douglas Adams once said
MrSpaznout 1 year ago
if you are worried about it producing black holes then read up on Hawking Radiation. That will belay all your fears.... assuming you can grasp the concept of a negative mass particle.
falconfira 1 year ago 3
@falconfira I'me not sure Hawking Radiation deals with negative mass particles. Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought it was just matter and antimatter, being positive and negative CHARGES, but they both have equal mass.
TheFifthApes 1 year ago
@TheFifthApes
It is not possible for me to explain it is 500 characters so I will simply give you a video link and a time index to start at.
watch?v=3gox8PpNOPY 2:56
That will very clearly explain what happens
falconfira 1 year ago
@falconfira Yeah I've seen that documentary but I think they have the language a bit wrong.
I have a pretty good qualitative understanding of Hawking Radiation and virtual particles as a consequence of quantum electrodynamics.
Virtual particles come in pairs as a particle and antiparticle, like an electron and a positron. As we already know, when a particle and antiparticle meet, they convery their mass to energy.
Cont'd
TheFifthApes 1 year ago
Cont'd
At the event horizon of a black hole where these particles are bring created, a (say) positron can fall in, find an electron within the black hole, and annhilate with it, leaving the electron outside the event horizon which is now a real particle which floats off and is observed as 'radiation'.
Here's the thing; antiparticles don't have negative mass, they have negative charge, as does all antimatter. I don't think "negative mass" can exist. It's like negative temperature in K.
TheFifthApes 1 year ago
@falconfira Sorry, slight correction: Antimatter doesn't have "Negative charge" but rather OPPOSITE charge. So the antielectron (positron) has a positive charge (Since an electron has a negative charge) where an antiproton would have a negative charge.
TheFifthApes 1 year ago
I hope the fire date for this thing isn't December 21 2012 or we are doomed . Just kidding . Great videos 5*****
jujitsu62 1 year ago 2
spettacular video.....
enterthepietro 1 year ago
don't have time to read through all the comments or much less dig to find support for my position, but / so, My question and or concern, if as I recall there is a fundamental calculation that says every proton neutron or something actually contains the entire mass of the known universe - mathematically ...wouldn't that indicate if it were liberated it would result in a ( nother) big bang? Re; causality loop. re: Star Trek TNG... Data?
Snowflake70 1 year ago
no.
i think you're confused.
also, mass irrelevant in this... if would be about energies.
;d
666norton420 1 year ago
Sorry, it's not like I get infinity and eternity confused but when quantum has sex with strings I lose track of multi-verses. I mean, really, interbreeding timelines? There should be one of those Newton law's or something...
Snowflake70 1 year ago
lol
i have no idea what you're talking about.... but it was fun to read. :D
;d
666norton420 1 year ago
amazing
Questionerable 1 year ago
you can thank the ignorance and opposition of religious organizations to furthering science by crying "the sky is falling!" every time there is an advance.
The problem I see...their delusional voice gets louder every year.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
If I am not mistaken if the LHC did create a blackhole it would take the age of the universe^10 to be able to consume even a human being...
netsoj 1 year ago
@netsoj That's cool. Why do you think that, or do you know a place on the net where I can find that out?
nemo3590 1 year ago
@nemo3590
CERN's website.
netsoj 1 year ago
Thanks.
nemo3590 1 year ago
Any concern of the public about generating black holes on earth just demonstrates the extreme ignorance of the general public.
destronia123 1 year ago 7
Don't blame the public, blame the education system. The particle they are talking about here is the higs boson, it is credited with giving other particles mass, but so far it has not been seen outside of theory.
ChipZilla69 1 year ago
"Don't blame the public, blame the education system."
Popular coverage also does have some to do with the problem.
The Higgs boson you referenced is commonly referred to as the "God particle", which while it may be apt gets the more conspiratorial people in our society ranting and raving about scientists trying to play God...
Cyrathil 1 year ago 2
"Don't blame the public, blame the education system"
sorry, but that's an utter crock of shit.
the education system spoon feeds you knowledge(not the best either) it's up to your dumbass(not specifically you ;)) to find/figure shit out.
if people are ignorant, it's their own damn fault.
i hate when people blame the school system when they won't even read if it's not for an assignment.
fools.
;d
666norton420 1 year ago 3
wohooo can't wait!
verodefacto 1 year ago
@Zubinen
I don't mind your argument on why young scientist may not be published. But (!) then you say it's the same/or close to the same with string theory.
So I did a google search for "string theorists" and found Alexander Belavin. He's born in the 1940's. Not young. And have already been published on other subjects besides string theory. Why not on string theory? Because it is very (!) hard to prove anything.
I'm sure that if they do prove it, most sceptic scientist will be happy aswell.
Torom002 1 year ago
When will results be finally published?
tteu123 1 year ago
Cosmic Rays pass through the Earth. The LHC may 'produce' 'em in situ. That's a bit different.
Scientists enjoy being held in high regard but, they can have an element of arrogance that tries to dismiss what they brand 'Doomsday scare mongerers'. Well, the LHC is an experiment and as such it is delving into the unknown. They may theorise all they like but, they'll never guarantee 100% Just ask 'em.
To smash particles also runs the risk of producing new disfigured matter. Like a bitten Apple.
Topdoginuk 1 year ago
@Topdoginuk No, they can in fact guarantee 100%. Cosmic rays have been hitting the earth in all its history. Some of these do have energies much higher than 100EeV, whereas the LHC operates in the lower TeV scale. These rays are million times more energetic! Thus, if there would be any possibility of some exotic matter, that could destroy the earth, it would have happened a long time ago.
SeltsamerAttraktor 1 year ago
@SeltsamerAttraktor Not a single Physicist would be in their right mind to give a 100% guarantee, unless they were so insular & egoistic as fear their Nobel Prize slipping away!
Cosmic Rays pass through. They are not in situ. Mini Black Holes (MBH) are unlikely but, never 100% so.
'Exotic', 'damaged' matter can never be ruled out as a consequence of the LHC. Whether they pose a threat would remain to be seen.
I'm as keen as anyone else to see what transpires from LHC. Higgs? Unknowns perhaps?
Topdoginuk 1 year ago
@Topdoginuk Neutrinos pass through, and maybe other Stuff that doesn't interact by EM (dark matter). But all normal matter / gamma rays loose their energy, when they go through the atmosphere, by creating a huge shower of particles. If something harmful could be produced, there would have been cascades that gave birth to some of those particles with such a low velocity, that they'd be trapped in earth's gravity well. Period.
SeltsamerAttraktor 1 year ago
Even if a mini-black hole were created it would not pose a danger due to it's tiny mass. A blackhole can only have the mass equivalent to the matter and energy that went into making it or that it has captured. Seeing as the matter/energy of the LHC experiements are orders of magnitude less than the mass of the Earth, an mini-blackholes would last the briefest of moments before being torn open by the Earth's gravitational field.
It's like being worried about being trampled under foot by an ant.
AnonEyeMouse 1 year ago
you can torn open a black hole? I haven't know that this is possible....is there any side where I could get more information about that?
Zamnatou 1 year ago
Seeing as how your grammar is worse than an 8 year old's, I'm not surprised you didn't know that. :D
JimMayBeInSexTown 1 year ago
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Zamnatou 1 year ago
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Not everybody has English as his mother tongue. Isn't it a bit rude to assume that everybody who's English isn't perfect is an idiot or a child?
Zamnatou 1 year ago 2
why cant they run at 100% light speed or more, 99.9% might not produce the results they need.
xtiger357 1 year ago
because its sort of impossibe :P
BlackRaptor31 1 year ago 3
@xtiger357
matter with mass cant go at the speed of light. it will just absorb the energy and grow instead of getting to 100%
kattejuice 1 year ago
@xtiger357 Relativity - read it up.
SeltsamerAttraktor 1 year ago
If the particles have mass then it is impossible for them to accelerate the particles to the speed of light. They would have to start changing the laws of physics if they wanted to run the collider at the speed of light.
belliebum12 1 year ago
It's a shame that they can only run it at half power, but hopefully that should be enough for some really interesting science.
CousinoMacul 1 year ago 3
@CousinoMacul Why's that? Would it produce lethal sustances or can't the detectors handle that? Sounds interesting
DragonCuber 1 year ago
The superconducting magnets aren't up to the task. The engineers at CERN discovered this after one of their magnets melted down and forced the LHC offline for several months last year. The good news is that after the scheduled upgrades later this decade, the magnets should be able do deal with full power experiments. :-)
CousinoMacul 1 year ago 3
DragonCuber: From my understanding, they need the data, and then shut down in 2012 for repairs to bring it finally to full power.
Saukko31 1 year ago