good pnts ~ If U chck KCM ~ U'll notice that there's alot of praise-ful comments ~ well ~ there a reason 4 this ~ it's called the red button ~ if U don't ~
btw dude ~ an open forum is fine ~ Acts 28:20 ~ but don't let trolls in (tip) Gal 5:9
Woe unto you spiritually dead ones, the scriptures speak to you who have chosen to venerate these despicable false prophets and false teachers, Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name, I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart. Jeremiah 14:14
Woe unto you spiritually dead ones, you who defend these false teachers and false prophets, you who hate knowledge, you who fear truth, you workers of iniquity who deny His word and in doing so deny His Father. “Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 7:21, “And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity” Matthew 7:23
@Rylucero You are so sure of your self now aren't you? So tell me," did the Spirit of God come upon you to give this word or did it come from your own Heart? I personally don't watch these men, but I know of a woman that does.. She was healed by another through Faith in his name, The Lord that is.. I will send you a link, and then you tell me after you read what I have wrote about this woman, that I know personally why the Lord chose to heal a woman that you say is in her iniquity.
Woe unto you spiritually dead ones, you who long for and who fall before these horrid abominations of deceit, “The wise shall inherit glory: but shame shall be the promotion of fools. “Proverbs 3:35, The prophets prophesy lies, the priests rule by their own authority, and my people love it this way. But what will you do in the end?” Jeremiah 5:31 His mouth is full of cursing and deceit and fraud: under his tongue is mischief and vanity.” Psalms 10:7
The scriptures speak to the faint of heart, Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience., Ephesians 5:6 Then my anger shall be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them, and I will hide my face from them, and they shall be devoured, and many evils and troubles shall befall them, so that they will say in that day, Are not these evils come upon us, because our God is not among us? Deuteronomy 32:27
The quotable false prophet and false teacher Kenneth Copeland speaking,” The Spirit of God spoke to me, He said, You are the very image, the very copy of that one. I said, Goodness, gracious sakes alive! And I began to see what had gone on in there, and I said, Well now you don't mean, you couldn't dare mean, that I could have done the same thing? He said, Oh yeah, if you'd had the knowledge of the Word of God that He did, you could have done the same thing, cause you're a reborn man too."
The quotable false prophet and false teacher Kenneth Copeland speaking,” I was shocked when I found out who the biggest failure in the Bible actually is...The biggest one in the whole Bible is God...I mean, He lost His top-ranking, most anointed angel; the first man He ever created; the first woman He ever created; the whole earth and all the fullness therein; a third of the angels, at least - that's a big loss, man. “God is going to have a family of equals!”
The quotable false prophet and false teacher Kenneth Copeland speaking,” If you are living in poverty and lack and want, change what you are saying. It will change what you have...Discipline your vocabulary. Discipline everything you do, everything you say, and everything you think to agree with what God does, what God says, and what God thinks. God will be obligated to meet your needs because of His Word....If you stand firmly on this, your needs will be met."
The quotable false prophet and false teacher Kenneth Copeland speaking,” He Jesus allowed the devil to drag Him into the depths of hell....He allowed Himself to come under Satan's control...every demon in hell came down on Him to annihilate Him....They tortured Him beyond anything anybody had ever conceived. For three days He suffered everything there is to suffer." He went into the pit of hell and suffered there as though He was the One Who had committed the sin."
The quotable false prophet and false teacher Kenneth Copeland speaking,” It takes money to preach the gospel. Jesus Himself knew that, and contrary to what some people think, His ministry was not a poor one. He had so much money coming in and going out through His ministry that He had to appoint a treasurer. His name was Judas." The Spirit of God spoke to me, He said, 'A born-again man defeated Satan, the firstborn of many brethren defeated him.'
The quotable false prophet and false teacher Kenneth Copeland speaking,” Jesus went into hell to free mankind from the penalty of Adam's high treason...When His blood poured out it did not atone. Jesus spent three horrible days and nights in the bowels of this earth getting back for you and me our rights with God." Now, the reason you don't think of God as a failure is He never said He's a failure. And you're not a failure till you say you're one."
Let's pray for the church and the people he steals from by lying about the tithe and using fear and intimidation to get more and more -seeds, offerings, blah, blah, blah. He does nothing for anybody but himself and he makes people do nothing for anybody but him. He lives like a decadent rock star while people sitting in his very church can't pay the bills. Let's hear from all the success stories from his church.
I AM VERY CONCERNED FOR KENNETH. I USED TO BE FRUSTRATED & ANGRY TOWARDS HIM, FOR NOT ONLY BEING FULL OF ERROR, BUT BY LEADING MULTITUDES DOWN THE WRONG ROAD. BUT NOW I AM AFRAID FOR HIM, AND FEAR THAT GOD'S JUDGMENT WILL PROVE HIM TO BE A FALSE TEACHER. PLEASE, LET'S PRAY FOR HIM.
I like Kenneth Copeland, you took this out of context, bad lol listen, wouldn't you say that where ever God is, God is? God dwells in me. Kenneth Copeland is speaking the Word! just like people didnt understand Jesus in his earthly ministry. so it is today. too radical huh lol
@azifitiz - Copeland is of the same apostate cloth as kenneth Hagin , he'll soon be able to share out his penance in hell with his old mentor , as for you - well you have as much discernment as a lakeland 'revival' follower - and thats less than none my friend.
@qisrankedeleven They didn't get that part. God is good. Kenneth Copeland is a man of God, he speaks the truth, helping people and saving people from hell and not criticizing others, thats not his Ministry. but apparently it is for some lol.
but you say yeah but, but. he is teaching false stuff... read deeper and see Jesus in his words. ps and I'll keep speaking those things which be not as thou they were. I speak what I hear my God speak cause we are inseparable. speak Faith!
I love this..thank u so much....."we" are so blind....it takes videos like this to wake us up..please do Benny Hinn next he is getting away w MURDER..........thank u!!
See ppl the Yahsua that the word of faith teachers teach is contrary to the one taught in scripture because theirs had a beginning -the biblical Yashua was an eternal uncreated being who shared Glory with the Father before the foundation of the world and he chose to leave heaven for us to do the Ftaher's will Jn 6:38 and he was called by the Father as the Lord who created Heaven and Earth. Hebrews 1:10-12-so much different than Adam!!!!!!!!!! Amen and praise Yahsua's eternal name.and being.
@42cody1 far from it, im not saying im a creator lol im saying im part of God's church, which is His body, and Yahshua the man who died and rose from the dead is the Head of that body. which means that He is in control but what He does, i do, what He works i work and why? because He has given that authority and power to me and to His believers under His name. we ARE to cast out demons in HIS name etc. Jn 8:58. since you like posting this states "58Jesus replied, I assure you, most solemnly cont
@MrDathon1577 before Abraham was I am -before Abraham come into existence "I am" this was a claim to self existence this -you went to verse 52-the broader context would be verse 24-25. "you shall die in your sins if you believe not that "I AM" .... before Abraham was "I am" the they picked up stones to stone him? see if we do not believe that he is the "I AM" we shall die in our sins and who is the "I AM" exdous 3:14-He was saying I am God and I existed before Abraham, even Adam.
@42cody1 this is the Word/Son "Yahsua speaking and claiming his identity as the "I AM" if you do not believe that "I AM' you shall die in your sins this is verse 24 of Jn 8 then in 25 they ask him who art thou? and he then makes clear the answer to their question- before Abraham existed "I am"-which is none other than the self existent being called God in Ex 3:14 THUS THEY WENT TO STONE HIM! He answered their ? of verse 25 in Jn 8 they tried to kill him for it-I am God fellas but not the Father
@MrDathon1577 No he was claiming self existence in Jn 8:58 -which is only God and he did this as a seperate person from that of the Father-The Father himself said that Yahsua was the creator Hebrews 1:10-12 so if ya dont take it from Yahshua at least take it from the Father.
@42cody1 I tell you, before Abraham was born, I AM" now lets look back a few verses and we see this JN 8" 52The Jews said to Him, Now we know that You are under the power of a demon ([d]insane). Abraham died, and also the prophets, yet You say, If a man keeps My word, he will never taste of death into all eternity.53Are You greater than our father Abraham? He died, and all the prophets died! Who do You make Yourself out to be?" the Jews were questioning His power, His Godliness, to which He said
@42cody1 54Jesus answered, If I were to glorify Myself (magnify, praise, and honor Myself), I would have no real glory, for My glory would be nothing and worthless. [My honor must come to Me from My Father.] It is My Father Who glorifies Me [Who extols Me, magnifies, and praises Me], of Whom you say that He is your God.55Yet you do not know Him or recognize Him and are not acquainted with Him, but I know Him. If I should say that I do not know Him, I would be a liar like you. cont
@42cody1 But I know Him and keep His word [obey His teachings, am faithful to His message]." Yahshua was a messenger, His Father's messenger. He was only glorified AFTER His death to the flesh, and the defeating of death itself. then and only then did He become omnipotent, become self existing. if Yahsua failed like adam did, well who knows what would have happened, thank God and praise Him His son died for us and destroyed satan.
@MrDathon1577 when did yahsua origin beigin according to Micah 5:2-his origins were from ancient of days from days of eternity? he was always eternally yahsua. He was an eternal person of the Godhead . Never created but having come in the flesh-meaning that he came down from heaven where he existed before hand Jn 6:38.
@MrDathon1577 your statement he was only glorfied AFTER his death, sir you need to go read Jn 17:5 he had all that glory as a concious eternal person of the Godhead before his birth. but back to Micah 5:2
@42cody1 you need to read this Jn 17:5"And now, Father, glorify Me along with Yourself and restore Me to such majesty and honor in Your presence as I had with You before the world existed" Yahshua was not glorified until after His crucifixtion, that is what this passage is dealing with, He is asking His Father to Glorify Him, as how He was before He became flesh and took upon sin and died for us.
@MrDathon1577 so he had all that Glory as a seperate and distinct being than that of the Father and that both shared in the same Glory before the world was, so it was his by divine right before having come thru Mary's womb into the very World that he by the Fathers own admission had created. Yahshua didnt begin in the womb of Mary but was an eternal person of the Godhead whose orgins were from ancient of days from all eternity the great 'I AM'. The same yesterday, today, and forever! Amen.
@MrDathon1577 from what I am under the impression from you is that Yahshua's origin began in Mary's womb rather than he being an eternal distinct being of the Godhead -thus my use of Jn 17:5 was to show you that he was Glorified and shared in the same Glory of the Father before coming thru Mary -before he created the Earth ect-that he is therefore uncreated and therefore God our Creator but NOT the person of the Father, he was the eternal word and was face to face "With" the Father 4 alleternity
No person since the history of the resurrection of Jesus Christ has never I repeat never has done any greater miracles "US" or the "Apostles" No apostle walked on water, No apostle made 2 loafs and a few fishes feed 5 thousand. No Apostle ever raised himself from death-Not recorded biblically anywhere nor historically-so Christ when saying greater works than these shall you do-logically means something else Namely our love and self sacrifice toward our fellow man thru the Holy Spirit. . . . . .
So as we learn from scripture that he "Yahshau" existed as a person that was Face to Face with=pros i.e the FatherJn 1:1 -=that Yahshua shared glory with the Father before the foundation of the world Jn 17:5 as an eternal person from ancient days, from eternity Micah 5:2, Was worshipped by wise men and Angels and identified as God with us Matt 1:23 and called Lord before his baptism -this is all b4 his baptism- He existed b4 Abraham and Jn the Baptist Jn 8:58, Jn 1:30-this is scriptural.
Yahshua is the same yesterday, today, and forever-never once has Adam met this attribute. Yahshua was the same before Adam, during Adam, and after Adam. Yashshua was uncreated. His going forth was from ancient of Days from days of Eternity. Micah 5:2-He was the First and the Last. Rev 1:17-No one can ever give scripture stating the same about Adam. It isnt scriptural and its from the pits of hell and from false mouths of false prophets such as Creflo Dollar and Kenneth Copeland.
Guys I need all to understand that Yahshua whom we call Jesus is called ""The First and The Last in Rev 1:17 which means exactly that "The Eternal One" Thayer's Greek English Lexicon. He is one of the eternal persons with the Godhead -never 2nd to anyone. He was called the 2nd Adam only in the sense of being Man's redeemer-hence before becoming a servant he was eternally God and possessed all the attributes, rank, and the authroity to that position by divine right.
"God has never used sickness to discipline His children"
"Jesus didn't claim to be God when He lived on earth"
"the New Age/occult techniques of positive imaging and visualization are for God's people today "
"It would have been impossible for Jesus to have been poor!"
"You're all God. You don't have a God living in you; you are one! ... When I read in the Bible where God tells Moses, 'I AM,' I say, 'Yah, I am too!'"
@rickgigliotti I agree that what he is teaching as it relates to what you posted here which I think has been unfiarly flagged by the way is unscriptural-God uses the Holy Spirit to teach not sickness for sure and the other posts you applied are very herectical as it applies to copeland and I thank you for your boldness on this subject.
So what you are saying is that there is no distinction of persons and God's word disagrees with you on so many levels.Reread Jn 1:1 go back and take a look at the word with and do some research on scholastic works and you will see the scholarship behind what I am saying. Try Philip B harners work in the Journal of Biblical Literaute vol 92 1973 in his article qualataive anartharous nouns.
@ShuriRyuKa you say having faith and standing on faith does not make things happen, or come into existence, the Word says Mark 11:23-24" 23Truly I tell you, whoever says to this mountain, Be lifted up and thrown into the sea! and does not doubt at all in his heart but believes that what he says will take place, it will be done for him.24For this reason I am telling you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe (trust and be confident) that it is granted to you, and you will [get it].
@MrDathon1577 God is the object of our Faith it is God and God alone that can bring things into existence. We do not have the power to bring things into existence we can come to our soverign God and stand on promises and direct our faith to him and in his soverign will and in his time he can bring things into our lives. Have you obtained a Justin Peters critique of the word of faith movement-its origins come from the meta physical cults but its rapped in christian terminlogy.
@42cody1 exactly, Adam could no more create a flower as Yahshua could raise the dead, only the Father does the works as stated John 14:10-11" 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves."
@MrDathon1577 Christ according to the flesh and as man said this but he as God could create anything he wanted to do in his own authroity, rank and power for it was his hands that laid the foundation of the Earth and the Heavens are his handiwork. He was equal to the Father in Rank, Nature, and Authority JN 5:18 and shared in God's glory before the foundation of the world Jn 17:5 He shared in the same glory of the Father -He was equal in every sense .
@42cody1 im confused here, no one is saying there is another God being created. im showing Biblical scripture that God took upon flesh and dwelt among us not once but twice, once in adam and the second time in Yahshua to fix adam's sin. the scripture states John 1:14" 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. " the Word is God.
im gonna go to sleep now ill be on tomorrow. God bless you!
@MrDathon1577 Where in Genesis does it say that God came down as Adam? you are imposing into scripture something that isnt there. Now in refeence to Christ God did place himself into humanity as a servant a man but this doesnt mean that God di it twice. It just means God did it once to correct Adams sin.
@42cody1 far from emplying that God is incomplete, please dont put words i did not say. We are the ones who get complete, we are the ones who "marrie" to God, we are the ones who are formed by grace to be His body. id suggest going back and reading Col 2 again and look very closely. Yahshua and His body - us walk hand in hand. Yahshua is the head and we are th body, a head can not go someplace without the body and vice versa.
1 corinth 15:47 is not a legit scripture could you please re-post
@MrDathon1577 You said that Adam was God, and that we are God supposedly in the future, then you said that you were not speaking about another God that was created-thus you to me are saying that we will all be the one self same God and if we are to all be the one self same God then God would then be incomplete and progressive and not fully complete until we become engrafted in as God. I am saying God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirt=complete.
@42cody1 are of Yahshua in the flesh, all the miracles in the new testiment was of Yahshua in the flesh, same as adam when the Bible speaks of adam it is when he is in the flesh. this is the correlation and why Paul calls Yahshua the second adam. we are the ones incomplete, we are the onces who are grafted in to His body. the Bible says that Yahshua is coming back for His perfect and without wrinkle nor spot bride. that is God's children.
when Yahshua was born into this world He left all His
@42cody1 glory and power in Heaven, the scriptures says He however was a filled with the spirit without measure, He was full of the Holy Spirit. but as a man in the flesh He like us had to seek His Father, He had to go through the same torments and struggles we have to, He performed no miracles until He was baptised, thats key, cause He like us have to wash ourselves clean.
Yahshua is the Word, and in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. it also says
@MrDathon1577 I think that it be wise not to focus what we agree on we both agree on the infilling of the Holy Spirit and the fall of man and the curse coming on mankind due to the first Adam and we as born again people becoming the body of Christ ect. It would be wise that you at first fully clarify your position from the beginning and make it fully known before we say whats legit or not because the confusion comes from lack of knowing each position not that anyone is putting worss in mouths.
@42cody1 that the Father took upon flesh(the world as us) and dwelt among us.Yahshua is God, all powerful,all knowing.
i think i exaplined this clear enough but ill make this comment that will most likely say what ive said before.before adam was dust. before Yashua the man in the flesh there was a virgin womb. it was God who breathed life (His Spirit) into the clay for adam and He breathed His breath into mary's womb. the connection for both is God.
@MrDathon1577 I dont see in scripture where the Father took upon flesh, I see that the word took upon flesh but not the Father. Jn1:1 for instance I am going to ask at this point that everything is posted with scripture-We agree that Yahshua is God. In Jn 1:1 the word was made flesh not the Father. The word was With God -whom scholars unamoniously agree was the Father and since the Word was With another person =the God. So here the Jehovah Witnesses make an excellent point contd..
@42cody1 " I dont see in scripture where the Father took upon flesh, I see that the word took upon flesh but not the Father" umm when the scripture states John 1:1" 1IN THE beginning [before all time] was the Word ([a]Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God [b]Himself." the Word was God. they are one in the same. John 1:14" 14And the Word (Christ) became flesh (human, incarnate) and tabernacled (fixed His tent of flesh, lived awhile) among us; and we [actually] saw His glory ..
@MrDathon1577 The word was with God and the word was God-as I stated it the word "With" shows independent distinction between the person of the word and the person who was ho theos the God whom scholars call the Father Jn 1:18. We cannot by pass the word "With" this implies two that are in a distinct loving relationship Jn 1:1. For example in the beginning was the woman and the woman was with the man and the woman was man. With strongly implies 2 independent persons in loving intimacy.
@42cody1 the word was as clearly stated shows the connection of both. the hebrew word for was is kalah kaw-law' from 3615; a completion; adverb, completely; also destruction:--altogether, (be, utterly) consume(-d), consummation(-ption), was determined, (full, utter) end, riddance. see the wording there completely,completion. The Father and Yahshua the Word are completed, are one.
you are talking about man using that analogy, man is not omnipotent. but we can however use instead of the Word..
@MrDathon1577 I agree that they are one for sure, but the church holds to the position that the Godhead is made up of 3 eternal personal persons and one of those eternal persons namely Christ/word entered into mary's womb and that this person Yahshua beginnings didnt happen in Mary's womb but was an eternal concious individual person within the one Godhead that by humble choice decided to come as a man into the Earth. Adam was created Christ was a preexistent eternal person unlike Adam.
@42cody1 we can use Love, since God is Love. now we look at John1:11 In the beginning was the Love, and the Love was with Love, and the Love was Love. now we look at john 3:16 in the same context using Love for God cause that is who God is. 16 For Love so loved the world that Love gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
when we view God as who is truely is Love, wow that ecompasses everything. because the Love of the Father is in
@42cody1 me and is in you through the Holy Spirit, that the Words of Love took upon flesh to die for our sins out of Love. and that Love has ascended to the most high place above ALL names and is sitting at the right hand of Love.
@42cody1 (His honor, His majesty), such glory as an only begotten son receives from his father, full of grace (favor, loving-kindness) and truth." we have already shown in John 1:1 that the Word was God. now we see that the Word took upon flesh. it also says John 14:6" 6Jesus said to him, I am the Way and the Truth and the Life; no one comes to the Father except by (through) Me." so the Word is Also the way to the Father. scriptures also state John 3:16 " For God / the Word so Loved the world
@MrDathon1577 You put alot of wonderful things down that I agree with but then you go right off scripture. What I like abouit scripture is that when someone goes off the way side red flags occur. Now with this in mind logic dictates that the word "WITH" implies 2 can you not see this simplicty of scripture? This is why I ask you where was Christ prior to coming to Earth as a man. The word with implies 2 people and that both existed for all eternity in a distinct loving relationship unlike adam.
@MrDathon1577 So there is a big difference between Jesus and Adam -Jesus created Adam. Now according to the flesh there are similarities but that is totally where it stops. Christ created Adam. anyways its illogical for Adam to be God -Adam was a servant of God-Jesus eternally existed as God and had to take a form of servant in order to be the 2nd Adam Phil 2:5-11 If Adam was God he wouldnt be a servant, if Adam was God he couldnt have sinned or died for that matter. its illogical.
@MrDathon1577 The Jehovah Witness correctly point out at this junction of Jn 1:1 that someone who is with another person cannot be the one and self same person because the word "with" shows disticnt independent distinction between two persons. So I ask where in scripture does it say that the Father took on flesh? I say that it isnt there. So you are saying the Father took flesh-I am saying that that isnt scriptural. I need a specific verse on your assumption .
@42cody1 that God/the Word gave His only begotten son that whomever believes in Him shall have eternal life" the scriptures also say John 14:10" 10Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in Me? What I am telling you I do not say on My own authority and of My own accord; but the Father Who lives continually in Me does the ([a]His) works (His own miracles, deeds of power)." this verse alone is the obvious evidence that the Word is part of the Father
@MrDathon1577 You are saying the Father took flesh and that isnt biblical there is a person called the Father and there is a person called the Son. They are in union together and share the same nature but yet the are distinct as scholars agree.
@MrDathon1577 I am not disagree that they are God but back to Jn 1:1 it clearly shows distinction between the word and the Father by the word with, this verse does not make them the same person they are distinct as shown by many verse in the new testament. THEY COLLECTIVELY make God for sure and in this sense they are of the same essence but no doubt there persons are seperate. as Jn 1:1 shows in fact one came down from heaven to do the others will. 2 implied no matter how ya slice it.
@MrDathon1577 that God/the word gave his only begotten Son is not what the bible says it says that God gave his only begotton Son. Adam had his beginning when God made him but Jesus had come in the flesh from another place as Cody showed so Jesus existed along side the Father for all eternity as a individual person thus was not created but was uncreated unlike Adam -Adam was a servant of God Jesus was equal to God-Jn 5:18 somthing Adam never was.
@456todd the Word is God. the Word is Love cause scriptures state the God is Love.Yahshua was created in the womb, mary's egg, and God's hand created Yahshua in the flesh, or the Bible calls Him Jesus,i dont use Jesus cause it is a mocking term but also not His name, since Hebrews would never name anyone with a J since they dont use that letter, and enlgish only started using it around the 1500's.
the scriptures state that God gave adam dominion over His creation, think about that for a second
@MrDathon1577 may I interject, Yahshua=Yahweh saving was a eternal person who humbly made the choice to take on a servants form for sure- phil 2:5-11 Yahshua made this humble choice to do so and made this choice as an eternal person within the Godhead prior to becoming flesh and entering mary's womb. The word was God and became flesh and existed eternally in a face to face relationship of love and intimacy but yet was independtly distinct from ho theos =the God=the Father.
@MrDathon1577 may I interject, Yahshua=Yahweh saving was a eternal person who humbly made the choice to take on a servants form for sure- phil 2:5-11 Yahshua made this humble choice to do so and made this choice as an eternal person within the Godhead prior to becoming flesh and entering mary's womb. The word was God and became flesh and existed eternally in a face to face relationship of love and intimacy but yet was independtly distinct from ho theos =the God=the Father. Yahshua created Adam.
@456todd alot of people pass over that and move on but think about it. think about yourself in today, either at work or at home. you work hard on something, you put alot of time into something, will you be so ready to give it to someone else. like for example a major work project, are you willing to give it freely to someone who doesnt deserve it and allow them all the credit? God gave Adam aka Man(cause thats what adam means) His creation, He gave it freely to us with only one request
@MrDathon1577 imago dei =made us in his image, this is such a compliment for us but the chuch never meant that this made us in any way equal to God or else he wouldnt have called us man. We Are man God is God -we as man were made in imago dei in the sense that we unlike the rest of the creatures had a spark within us that gave us self actualization and that we had a mind will and emotions and were aware that the creator chose us in which to perform his love through. Not that we are God.
@42cody1 i never said as was God being omnipotent. He was the same as Yahshua in the definement of both were created, both were given dominion, and both had to seek their father. the power that was bestowed upon adam from God turned from the blessing to the curse. just imagine that, adam's choice to sin tainted all of creation, that includes the Heavens. the scriptures state that the tainting of creation came up to but not including the thrown room. that was a powerful blessing adam misused.
@MrDathon1577 Adam was never the same as Yahshua this is the mistake you are making you are equating the two. Yahshua was omnipotent while on the Earth-you are confusing his role as a man with his role as God. He was the same yesterday, today, and forever-he was always existing as God but in his servant's role as the 2nd Adam he made a nonuse of what was already his by divine right. He was God at all times but playing out a servants role he had to follow the protocol of a servant's position.
@MrDathon1577 if Adam was God as you are defending he would be omnipotent, all knowing, omni-present -God doesnt grow into perfection he is already perfect plus God can't sin. We as humans "Man" grow into spiritual maturity but not as God/gods but as humans only ans when we reach the divine nature as in when we are no longer subject to death we will live forever just as those other beings called angels will as well. Not being subject any longer to death doesnt make us God.
@42cody1 image from the hebrew"8544 tmuwnah tem-oo-naw' or tmunah {tem-oo-naw'}; from 4327; something portioned (i.e. fashioned) out, as a shape, i.e. (indefinitely) phantom, or (specifically) embodiment, or (figuratively) manifestation (of favor):--image, likeness, similitude."
@MrDathon1577 I can appreciate your love to Jesus but if you are believing that Yahshua didnt eternally exists as a person that was face to face with=pros the Father for all eternity and that is origins and goings forth from the days of eternity Micah 5:2 and that he was called Lord, God, and was worshipped prior to his baptism and was creator that was sent from heaven to do the Father's will Jn 6:38 and shared glory with the Father b4 the foundation of the world as a person then you missed it.
@456todd and that is obidience. God told adam and eve they can have everything they see in the garden but one thing. and it was that one thing that drove them to be disobidient, yes they were tempted but they with the free will given to them chose to turn away from God. they did the same thing lucifer did except lucifer was not tempted, he chose by himself. Jesus/Yahshua the man who walked the earth, did miracles, was created, just like adam. both had to find God,both had to be obedient.
@MrDathon1577 thank you for clarifying your position the biblical record is that this only happened one time not twice-that has to be added to scripture Adam chose to exalt himself to be as God knowing both Good and Evil if God came as Adam as you say God then he wouldnt have limited knowledge or the desire to be as God. The 1st man was of the Earth 1 corinth 15:47 He was not God interjecting himself into humanity, but the 2nd man was the Lord from heaven thus God interjected only once.
@42cody1 the scriptures clearly state the God blew His spirit into adam and gave Him life. gen 2"7Then the Lord God formed man from the [a]dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath or spirit of life, and man became a living being" there is only 1 Spirit of Life, the Holy Spirit. as seen in the day of pentecost acts 2:4"4And they were all filled (diffused throughout their souls) with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other (different, foreign) languages (tongues), cont
@42cody1 as the Spirit kept giving them clear and loud expression [in each tongue in appropriate words]. to be born again is to have the Holy Spirit living within you. the reason Death entered the world was due to adam's sin, the death was not a physical death but a spiritual death, thats why until pentecost all men were spiritually "dead" the did not have the Holy Spirit living in them, hence why there were the laws of moses, the feasts to follow etc.Yahshua allowed by His death the Holy Spirit
@MrDathon1577 I agree with alot of what you say especialy when it comes to the infilling of the Holy Spirit and the fall of man due to Adams curse and the need 4 penecost. My position is that we must have the correct Christ in order to be filled with the Holy Spirit. I am saying that if we see Jesus as just a created being and exactly like the first Adam then we do not have the correct Christ that is presented in the biblical record. I say Jesus was a eternal person that chose to come as a man.
@42cody1 i want to stop you there, i dont only see Yahshua as a created being, far from it. He was in the beginning, His words created ALL things. what im merely referring to is thhat adam and Yahshua were both made, both had the Spirit of God inside them and both could not do any miracles unless the Father was in them working through them to produce the Father's work.the only difference is that adam sinned, and Yahshua had to fix that mistake.
when we read the new testiment, ALL the red words
@MrDathon1577 ok you dont see Yahshua as only a created being-exactly something you cant say about Adam, Adam was a created being that could sin and was a servant. Jesus on the other hand existed eternally and couldnt sin and was God and the fact that he couldnt sin proves he was God and the fact Adam could proves Adam was only a man. Jesus came down from heaven to do the Fathers will-he was equal to the Father in every sense unlike Adam. There are so many logical differences Logic is the key.
@42cody1 to be able to dwell with in us, and as the scriptures say take abode, make a living space with in us. i have to go but ill be back later, im enjoying talking with you about our savior
@MrDathon1577 We become the temple of God that means God indwells each individual believer-its an intimacy thing as you know ans something I should know better. The WOF movement does not see Jesus as being a person eternally existing but rather that he as a man found himself in scripture. God only became man to save his creation from Satan-it never meant that Adam was God-that is not scriptural enjoyed speaking with you, Love in Christ i will be off for a few days.
@42cody1 WOF? please elaborate. back to the adam topic i fear you are not understanding my words. both adam the man, and Yahshua the man were flesh, were created, one from clay and the other in Mary's womb. both were created in the Likeness of God...perfect, both had the Spirit of God in them. both had free will as this was the blessing bestowed upon man. the difference between adam and Yahshua..adam sinned. Yahshua didnt. is this more clear to you now?
@MrDathon1577 Mr. Dathon, I need a few days, having some heart problems and plus I have to work, have to see a cardiologist on Monday. The weekend is my busiest time. Thanks for your clarification -so your saying that Jesus like Adam both were created and not eternal personal beings. Not that I believe that Adam was at all. I would fully agree with this account as it is regards to Adam but with Christ it is important for us to make sure we have the biblical Christ hence he is the only one 4life.
@MrDathon1577 Mr. Dathon, I need a few days, having some heart problems and plus I have to work, have to see a cardiologist on Monday. The weekend is my busiest time. Thanks for your clarification -so your saying that Jesus like Adam both were created and not eternal personal beings. Not that I believe that Adam was at all. I would fully agree with this account as it is regards to Adam but with Christ it is important for us to make sure we have the biblical Christ hence he is the only one 4life.
@MrDathon1577 Perhaps we need to totally back up and declare our positions, I am not 4 sure of your position of faith. I at first come from the Jehovah Witness background, then the Way International, but I have come out of both of those ministries unto the Baptist and or assembly of God faith- I am protestant - I believe in the account of the orthodox's view of Jesus Christ as biblical that he was eternally existent as a person not as a thought but in reality.
@MrDathon1577 Lets elaborate on your Jesus, so we can cut thru the chase did your Jesus preexist as God as a living concious person that made a humble choice to take a servants position as the 2nd Adam? ? Yes or No. Thats what I need to know. This is the one question that I need an answer too. Lets ensure we have the LEGIT Jesus before we discuss further. ignore all my other statements except this one and let this be our starting point.
@MrDathon1577 We become the temple of God that means God indwells each individual believer-its an intimacy thing as you know and something I should know better. The WOF movement does not see Jesus as being a person eternally existing but rather that he as a man found himself in scripture. God only became man to save his creation from Satan-it never meant that Adam was God-that is not scriptural enjoyed speaking with you, Love in Christ i will be off for a few days.
@MrDathon1577 Mr. Dathon, my computer broke down on me during the bcourse of our conversation so i apologize if i left anything unanswered. I have also had to deal with spring break issues and health problems. I will review our conversation when i get some time to ensure i have addressed any missed isssue.
@42cody1 i hope nothing to serious about health concerns. Father in the name of Yahshua send healing to 42cody1, wash whatever problems he is having away. your name is above all others, and they must submit in your Holy name. In Yahshua's name amen.
@MrDathon1577 Thank you Mr. Dathon I had to be carried out by paramedics in reference to my heart, i am ok so far, it kind of snuck up on me. tyoday is my birthday and i am happy to be here. Thank you for your prayers perhaps we can speak again soon after things calm around here. Love in Christ.
@42cody1 happy birthday, and I pray Father you heal 42cody1's heart father. make his heart strong as to your words and to your will. your Word removes all yolks and bares all things Father. heal his heart, body, and Spirit in Yahshua's name. amen
@MrDathon1577 Mr Dathon not to beat a dead horse you were saying that Adam could no more than create a flower -I agree, however you made another statement that Yahshua could no more than raise the dead -Jn 2:19-21 shows that Yahshua did indeed raise the dead as in his ownself. He said Tear down this temple and 3 days "I" will raise it up. This was in reference to hisd own body and his own flesh being raised by himself - all 3 eternal persons were involved in the resurrection.
@42cody1 ill nip this in the butt real quick to make the point. Yahshua performed miracles, raised people from the dead, fed the multitude with fish when? before or after His baptism with John the Baptist?
@MrDathon1577 actrually your not nipping anythging in the butt-Scriptures shows Yahshua as a person who was concious in heaven -as an eternal person within the Godhead who made a humble choice to come to Earth as a servant to do the Father's will but he existed as God and that he is the same yesterday, today and forever as Hebrews shows-he immutable he has forever been a copncious person of God yesterday, today and forever and it didnt begin after his baptism. God cant cease being God.
@42cody1 you spent 5 replies and u never answered the question.did Yashua do miracles before His baptism? yes or no?
did Yahshua have all authority of Heaven before or after His death? im not gonna reply to all 5 replies that is not needed, but please answer these two questions and i will show more of the Word to back my statements ok. God bless brother.
@MrDathon1577 I answered your questions with questions I asked if he was worshipped as God prior to his baptism? and I asked if he called was called Lord and God prior to his baptism? These questions answer all your questions. I asked if he called God his Father? thus making himself equal with God. Jn 5:18 This was done before and after his baptism. We never got past Jn 1:1 if I recall.. do you see the eternal distinction between the Father and Son ? I never got that answer from you?
@42cody1 no they do not. two answers needed. did Yahshua perform any miracles prior to His baptism? yes or no? and did Yahshua have all authority of Heaven before His crucifixion? yes or no?
before we go further in our discussion you need to answer these 2 questions. i will then elaborate after you have answered.
@MrDathon1577 Christ had two natures did he not so in one nature he did and in another nature he did not. In one nature he possessed all the nature and authority of God and in the olther nature he did not. As a man he grew, as a man he was annoited, as a man he grew weary was tried and proved obedience but as God he entered the womb of Mary by choice phil 2:5-11, as God he crated all things including Adam, as God he raised himslef from death Jn 2:19 As God he was sinless. 2 natures.
@MrDathon1577 I have answered this question extsensively as God he did as man he did not.Do you recognize the churches position of the dual nature of Christ? So its a two part answer as a man he followed a step by step process of obedience and did so sucessfully because he was trully God in the flesh- Adam fell because he was only a man in the flesh.He didn't possess the equality of nature that was needed to accomplish the task that Christ fullfilled thus proving their disntintion N nature.
@MrDathon1577 Your position is that as I understand it that Adam is God manifest in the flesh just as Christ was, I am saying that is unbiblical-I have even asked you for specific biblical support that says directly your position. You have offered no biblical support that the bible calls Adam God or was worshipped in anyway or that his beginnings began eternally as a concious eternal person. I have contrasted the difference between Christ and Adam exstensively.
@MrDathon1577 I answered your questions with questions marking the identity of Christ prior to his baptism which declares his eternal identity- he didnt become God he was always God as I posted so yes he had all the authority of God before and after his birth and before and after his baptism. The Earth is the Lord and the fulness there of them and they that dwell in Earth- but I will agree that Adam lost something as God's appointed man that God had to intervene on in order to save his creation.
@MrDathon1577 sorry for all the posts but the problem gets right back to Jn 1:1 do you see that Yahshua was an eternal person within the Godhead that was distinct from the Father whom existed from all eternity in a face to face loving relationship. This is what Jn 1:1 declares- ? this was where we actually left off if you remember? was it Not? Now yes Christ did miracles before his baptism as a person he created "All Things". The very fact of enetring Mary's womb by choice was a miracle.
@42cody1 did Yahshua the man do miracles before He was baptised? the answer is no. and to the second question, did Yahshua as the man have ALL authority? the answer is no. and now the expansion to my answers. first Yes Yahshua is the Word and Yes He was with God and WAS God as in what is written in John 1:1. when He was born into this world He was with out ALL authority, the scriptures state He was however given the Spirit without measure, and the reason for this was due to the walk Yahshua had
@MrDathon1577 Well if your excluding making the choice to enter Mary's womb as a servant as not being a miracle I guess i can see your point. So we now have between us an understanding that both of us believe that Christ was both God and Man-this is progress -do you see Jesus as existing as an eternal concious person in a relationship with the Father? be specific please
@42cody1 He had to over some ALL temptations, ALL sin. and only when Yahshua was baptised then and only then the Father was able to work miracles through Him just like us, only when we get born again can we do God's bidding. now on to the authority. Yahshua did not have ALL authorty when He walked the earth, His name was not above ALL names when He walked the earth, only when He became sin, went down to hell and was ressurected then and only then we see Matthew 28:18 cont
@MrDathon1577 Ok lets stop here I want to take a close look at this position as to its biblical basis plus the wife is fussing for here kroger stop thank you for your time. Be back to spend time with you later love in Christ.
@MrDathon1577 Where you from? ya havent heard of a kroger that is amzaing. Are you in the states? Hey please dont take my firmness ever as rudeness, there are alot of things you and I agree on and there is alot within the word of faith that I find to be very biblical -so I am not against every aspect of their belief just the parts that I find extra biblical, so just know I agree with a tremendous amount of things you posts-not against every aspect at all. I do believe its a false gosple tho..
@42cody1 im from canada. who is God? He is our creator, our Father. He is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. He can do all things. the Word says the world was created by faith, by perfect faith. God bless brother, i will talk with you tomorrow. and just to let you know, we can differ on doctrine, and this is a great learning tool, and learning ability, but the most important thing is that we can come together and praise our God, and that is the easy thing to do lol.
@MrDathon1577 wow, canada i bet it gets cold up there. Yes these are wonderful attributes that you speak of that God is our Creator, Father, The Alpha and Omega ... yes we can differ on many issues like the day of the exdous or who wrote Hebrews these are not salvation issues, but on Salvation issues we cannot disagree on because those are eternal life foundational issues and teaching a different Jesus or God is a Not comprimisable issue because a different God/Jesus cannot save. Love in Christ.
@MrDathon1577 I will post one more thing before moving on to etertaining family, I at this point will require specific questiuons to be answered with biblical reference and it will be direct -I am not wanting to hop from subject to subject randomly -so if I move backwards to specifics it will be for clarification-not meant to frustrate or aggravate moving on to Christ going into hell after the cross and becoming sin is not an issue that I am currently focusing on. My foucs is who is God.Gnite.
@42cody1 one other note, Yahshua never called Himself the son of God, He called Himself the son of man - man referring to adam. just wanted to throw that in. Good night and God bless.
@MrDathon1577 I believe we have authroity as christians most certainly I would never deny that but that still does not make us God its is us acting out as as his servants for the purpose sharing the gosple of repentance to mankind -not that we are to walk around creating things-but to make us successful in ministry. nite again. I will focus on the identity of God as within the scriptural perimeter from Genesis to Revelation. Got to go seriously.
@MrDathon1577 you two thank you for your friendship request see ya hopefully 2 morrow i will find some time inbetween work and college and family you know how it goes.
@MrDathon1577 Ok I not going to spend time on whether Yahshua ever called Himself the Son of God because I know you already know that he is "The Son of God". It isnt worth any attention because you already know its easily refuted -so I would much rather focus on how many True Gods are there? I think we would agree that there is only One True God-so what are the attributes that identify this One and True God as "God" as opposed to false gods. I would like 4 U and I to expound on these attributes.
@MrDathon1577 I will speak more on this verse because I disagree with it on so many biblical levels and I believe scripture does as well, We will look at some of his names to see if what you say is true, What is funny is that the name Yahshua itself means Yahweh saving, Emanuel means with us is the God. So he has always had the names and titles that Rank him above all names and authority eternally. Such as The First and Last -the Alpha and Omega the Almighty - 2sides to this issue pre and post.
@42cody1 18Jesus approached and, [a]breaking the silence, said to them, All authority (all power of rule) in heaven and on earth has been given to Me." this was after His ressurection. we also see that only after His ressurection His name was set above ALL names Colossians 2"9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily"
im not saying Yahshua was not God manifested in the flesh, im saying because God manifested Himself into the flesh He was our standard of how to live...
@MrDathon1577 I agree that he is our standard for sure, but Yahshua has always had the titles names and rank above all names as him being a person within the Godhead but as it applied to his position of his servants role as the 2nd Adam he had to regain what Adam had lost for sure and that was for a human as the 2nd Adam had to retake what Adam lost and that logically was Not all authority in Heaven or Earth. Jesus came to pay the price for sin through the shedding of Blood as sin offering.
@42cody1 why would the devil try and tempt God? i mean God created all things, there is nothing that the devil has that can tempt God. why would the scriptures state that His birth was a secret towards the devil? the reason is this, God did indeed take upon flesh, became human, became governed by the guidelines He created such as gravity, aging etc. God did this for 2 main reasons, first to be able to become sin to be able to get rid of sin. God can not change free will, He needs His words
@MrDathon1577 wow so now God became sin-that would be a total change in nature not to mention is a blaspemous statement-this is why I once again asked your for the attributes of God so as to avoid further unbiblical assumptions- God becoming sin is blaspemous and I am aware of that verse your calling from but the humanity of Christ was offered as a sin offering- God is immutable which means he cant change now or ever becoming sin would mean a change in nature.
@42cody1 "wow so now God became sin-that would be a total change in nature not to mention is a blaspemous statement-" what are you talking about blasphemous? the scritpures state and i quote 2 Corinthians 5:21 " 21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."
that is self evident that Yahshua the pure lamb died for our sins by becoming ALL sin,enduring ALL sin and going down into the pit and as the scriptures state cont
@42cody1 Colossians 2"14Having cancelled and blotted out and wiped away the handwriting of the note (bond) with its legal decrees and demands which was in force and stood against us (hostile to us). This [note with its regulations, decrees, and demands] He set aside and cleared [j]completely out of our way by nailing it to [His] cross." do you know what a note is? a bond?
satan through adam's fall had the authority to demand death on us, that is why adam's sin was so enormous, Yahshua
@42cody1 had to live as a man perfect, had to bare ALL our sins cause if He did not then we will have to bare them when we die, Yahshua then had to go into hell and defeat ALL demons, ALL powers so that His name is ABOVE ALL NAMES. if He did not then His name would NOT be above ALL names. and then most important of it all, Yahshua had to be glorified, become the new man, this was accomplished through His Ressurection.and then the most wonderful gift He gives us comes from this...
@42cody1 He gives us, the born again in Him His authority Mark 16"And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they[b] will take up serpents; cont
@MrDathon1577 this isnt a sword fighting contest, the reality fo the subject is/are the attributes of God-God is uncreated we are created, God is self existent our existence depends upon him wholly as did Adams. Adam was given authority true and goofed it off, God had to correct the situation out of grace-Yahshua is self existent Jn 8:58, this is an attribute of God. Can you name one single verse that shows that Adam has this attribute of self existence?
@42cody1 Yahshua was created in the flesh lol He/God took upon flesh and dwelt among us.
"I said God does not change in nature at all his being is and will always be God self existent, uncreated, all knowing, all powerful, eternal. God's nature cannot change and his nature can never become sin it would be a change in nature." God's nature is Love everything stems from Love, the fruits of the Spirits are Galatians 5:22" But the fruit of the Spirit is love..." see how Love is first? why?
@42cody1 God IS Love. thats why the 1st commandment is "Have NO other God before me" now lets switch out God for Love for 1 John 4:8" 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. " and you will see the 1st commandment state" Have no other LOVE before me" or John 3:16" For God so LOVED the world..." God's nature is Love, adam HAD Love, and why because He was made in the Likeness of God, adam HAD TO BE filled with Love, because the breath of Life is a Love act. just like Yahshua
@42cody1 when was Yahshua called eternal and self existing? AFTER His ressurection, when He sat on the right hand of His Father. up until the cross He/Yahshua was bound by flesh and why because that as the burden He chose to take upon Himself so that we can have eternity with Him.
@MrDathon1577 whoops be careful his goings forth were from ancient days from days of everlasting-meaning eternity-so yes its a picture of one whose goings forth were fromancient days from eternity that would become a servant for us -he didnt have to at all and during this state what type of being was he?
@42cody1 i got to ask since it is becoming evident, but i need to ask since you seem to be stuck on the charachteristics of God. did God die for our sins? yes or no? or are you of Jewish belief who think that Yahshua was just a man or are you of muslim belief that depicts Yahshua a man and was not crucified?
@MrDathon1577 I'm not stuck on anything, the attributes of God ensure that we find the correct Jesus of the Bible whom you said last night was NOT the creator? Scripture declares Yahshua's origin from ancient of days from days of eternity that didnt begin in the womb of mary but rather came thru Mary- My view is teh same as the orthodox view of the church that the church has held onto for 2000 years. That Christ was 100% Man and 100% God that he was dual natured. I thought that was made clear.
@42cody1 then by your comment alone" That Christ was 100% Man and 100% God that he was dual natured. " Him dying on the cross for our sin is against your attributes of God, who is self existing and eternal. how can God die? Yah is the Father the eternal, Yahshua is the son, the flesh, the one who had to be baptised and filled with the Holy Spirit and seek His Father, and die for our sins by become ALL sin.
@MrDathon1577 Not at all God cannot die-what I am saying is that the person of God according to Genesis thru Rev has been identified The Father, The Word/ Yahsua, and The Holy Spirit-God cannot die as we know his nature cannot change thus God can choose to live in a mortal body as a servant. See Yashua-the eternal word was a person who lived before Mary's womb as God our creator. The flesh /servant that God chose to live in did die. As a man he died but as God he raised himself from death.
@42cody1 Yahshua is the son, Yah,Elohim,Abba,Adonais etc are the Father. Yah = God/Father shua = saves. they are united together. think of them as lets say emotions of a person, your joy is the one descriptive, your actions are another, and so on and so forth. God however is the Living word, His actions come to pass, His words by FAITH come to pass. the Holy Spirit if The Father working in us, The son Yahshua is our gateway to the Father, and our Faith is the love for our Father and the worship
@42cody1 of Him. do you see it all leads to the Father, the all encompassing being who made all things. ever wonder why God didnt destroy lucifer and the fallen angels before He created man? ever wonder why God created time, i mean God is timeless. God created man in His image and gave man authority over everything to remove sin, because if God merely eradicated lucifer and the demons He would be going against the very free will He gave the angels, God would be sinning. that is why God made man
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Woe unto you spiritually dead ones, the scriptures speak to you who have chosen to venerate these despicable false prophets and false teachers, Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name, I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart. Jeremiah 14:14
Rylucero 8 months ago
Woe unto you spiritually dead ones, you who defend these false teachers and false prophets, you who hate knowledge, you who fear truth, you workers of iniquity who deny His word and in doing so deny His Father. “Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 7:21, “And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity” Matthew 7:23
Rylucero 8 months ago
@Rylucero You are so sure of your self now aren't you? So tell me," did the Spirit of God come upon you to give this word or did it come from your own Heart? I personally don't watch these men, but I know of a woman that does.. She was healed by another through Faith in his name, The Lord that is.. I will send you a link, and then you tell me after you read what I have wrote about this woman, that I know personally why the Lord chose to heal a woman that you say is in her iniquity.
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Woe unto you spiritually dead ones, you who long for and who fall before these horrid abominations of deceit, “The wise shall inherit glory: but shame shall be the promotion of fools. “Proverbs 3:35, The prophets prophesy lies, the priests rule by their own authority, and my people love it this way. But what will you do in the end?” Jeremiah 5:31 His mouth is full of cursing and deceit and fraud: under his tongue is mischief and vanity.” Psalms 10:7
Rylucero 8 months ago
The scriptures speak to the faint of heart, Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience., Ephesians 5:6 Then my anger shall be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them, and I will hide my face from them, and they shall be devoured, and many evils and troubles shall befall them, so that they will say in that day, Are not these evils come upon us, because our God is not among us? Deuteronomy 32:27
Rylucero 8 months ago
The quotable false prophet and false teacher Kenneth Copeland speaking,” The Spirit of God spoke to me, He said, You are the very image, the very copy of that one. I said, Goodness, gracious sakes alive! And I began to see what had gone on in there, and I said, Well now you don't mean, you couldn't dare mean, that I could have done the same thing? He said, Oh yeah, if you'd had the knowledge of the Word of God that He did, you could have done the same thing, cause you're a reborn man too."
Rylucero 8 months ago
The quotable false prophet and false teacher Kenneth Copeland speaking,” I was shocked when I found out who the biggest failure in the Bible actually is...The biggest one in the whole Bible is God...I mean, He lost His top-ranking, most anointed angel; the first man He ever created; the first woman He ever created; the whole earth and all the fullness therein; a third of the angels, at least - that's a big loss, man. “God is going to have a family of equals!”
Rylucero 8 months ago
The quotable false prophet and false teacher Kenneth Copeland speaking,” If you are living in poverty and lack and want, change what you are saying. It will change what you have...Discipline your vocabulary. Discipline everything you do, everything you say, and everything you think to agree with what God does, what God says, and what God thinks. God will be obligated to meet your needs because of His Word....If you stand firmly on this, your needs will be met."
Rylucero 8 months ago
The quotable false prophet and false teacher Kenneth Copeland speaking,” He Jesus allowed the devil to drag Him into the depths of hell....He allowed Himself to come under Satan's control...every demon in hell came down on Him to annihilate Him....They tortured Him beyond anything anybody had ever conceived. For three days He suffered everything there is to suffer." He went into the pit of hell and suffered there as though He was the One Who had committed the sin."
Rylucero 8 months ago
The quotable false prophet and false teacher Kenneth Copeland speaking,” It takes money to preach the gospel. Jesus Himself knew that, and contrary to what some people think, His ministry was not a poor one. He had so much money coming in and going out through His ministry that He had to appoint a treasurer. His name was Judas." The Spirit of God spoke to me, He said, 'A born-again man defeated Satan, the firstborn of many brethren defeated him.'
Rylucero 8 months ago
The quotable false prophet and false teacher Kenneth Copeland speaking,” Jesus went into hell to free mankind from the penalty of Adam's high treason...When His blood poured out it did not atone. Jesus spent three horrible days and nights in the bowels of this earth getting back for you and me our rights with God." Now, the reason you don't think of God as a failure is He never said He's a failure. And you're not a failure till you say you're one."
Rylucero 8 months ago
Let's pray for the church and the people he steals from by lying about the tithe and using fear and intimidation to get more and more -seeds, offerings, blah, blah, blah. He does nothing for anybody but himself and he makes people do nothing for anybody but him. He lives like a decadent rock star while people sitting in his very church can't pay the bills. Let's hear from all the success stories from his church.
SuperBanjo007 8 months ago
I AM VERY CONCERNED FOR KENNETH. I USED TO BE FRUSTRATED & ANGRY TOWARDS HIM, FOR NOT ONLY BEING FULL OF ERROR, BUT BY LEADING MULTITUDES DOWN THE WRONG ROAD. BUT NOW I AM AFRAID FOR HIM, AND FEAR THAT GOD'S JUDGMENT WILL PROVE HIM TO BE A FALSE TEACHER. PLEASE, LET'S PRAY FOR HIM.
88momart 8 months ago
kenneth copeland.......demon possessed reprobate......
jonniec7 8 months ago
Copeland is a prosperity pimp that twists the word for his own gain.
lunabranwen 8 months ago
Debating about an invisible sky monster
jackisbackontrack 9 months ago
I like Kenneth Copeland, you took this out of context, bad lol listen, wouldn't you say that where ever God is, God is? God dwells in me. Kenneth Copeland is speaking the Word! just like people didnt understand Jesus in his earthly ministry. so it is today. too radical huh lol
azifitiz 10 months ago
@azifitiz - Copeland is of the same apostate cloth as kenneth Hagin , he'll soon be able to share out his penance in hell with his old mentor , as for you - well you have as much discernment as a lakeland 'revival' follower - and thats less than none my friend.
ThePanzerfist44 8 months ago
When he said adam was God he's saying he is made in God's likeness or image, it says that in genesis..
qisrankedeleven 10 months ago
@qisrankedeleven They didn't get that part. God is good. Kenneth Copeland is a man of God, he speaks the truth, helping people and saving people from hell and not criticizing others, thats not his Ministry. but apparently it is for some lol.
but you say yeah but, but. he is teaching false stuff... read deeper and see Jesus in his words. ps and I'll keep speaking those things which be not as thou they were. I speak what I hear my God speak cause we are inseparable. speak Faith!
azifitiz 10 months ago
I love this..thank u so much....."we" are so blind....it takes videos like this to wake us up..please do Benny Hinn next he is getting away w MURDER..........thank u!!
Goodlife51 10 months ago
Without us, Christ isn't strong? UGGHHHH! Yeah, just keep sending your money. We need that message sent out to all of the world!
StanBennet 10 months ago
See ppl the Yahsua that the word of faith teachers teach is contrary to the one taught in scripture because theirs had a beginning -the biblical Yashua was an eternal uncreated being who shared Glory with the Father before the foundation of the world and he chose to leave heaven for us to do the Ftaher's will Jn 6:38 and he was called by the Father as the Lord who created Heaven and Earth. Hebrews 1:10-12-so much different than Adam!!!!!!!!!! Amen and praise Yahsua's eternal name.and being.
42cody1 10 months ago
see these attributes of God is what keeps one from becoming entangled between the created and the creator as you are mistakenly doing.
42cody1 10 months ago
@42cody1 far from it, im not saying im a creator lol im saying im part of God's church, which is His body, and Yahshua the man who died and rose from the dead is the Head of that body. which means that He is in control but what He does, i do, what He works i work and why? because He has given that authority and power to me and to His believers under His name. we ARE to cast out demons in HIS name etc. Jn 8:58. since you like posting this states "58Jesus replied, I assure you, most solemnly cont
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 before Abraham was I am -before Abraham come into existence "I am" this was a claim to self existence this -you went to verse 52-the broader context would be verse 24-25. "you shall die in your sins if you believe not that "I AM" .... before Abraham was "I am" the they picked up stones to stone him? see if we do not believe that he is the "I AM" we shall die in our sins and who is the "I AM" exdous 3:14-He was saying I am God and I existed before Abraham, even Adam.
42cody1 10 months ago
@42cody1 this is the Word/Son "Yahsua speaking and claiming his identity as the "I AM" if you do not believe that "I AM' you shall die in your sins this is verse 24 of Jn 8 then in 25 they ask him who art thou? and he then makes clear the answer to their question- before Abraham existed "I am"-which is none other than the self existent being called God in Ex 3:14 THUS THEY WENT TO STONE HIM! He answered their ? of verse 25 in Jn 8 they tried to kill him for it-I am God fellas but not the Father
42cody1 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 No he was claiming self existence in Jn 8:58 -which is only God and he did this as a seperate person from that of the Father-The Father himself said that Yahsua was the creator Hebrews 1:10-12 so if ya dont take it from Yahshua at least take it from the Father.
42cody1 10 months ago
@42cody1 I tell you, before Abraham was born, I AM" now lets look back a few verses and we see this JN 8" 52The Jews said to Him, Now we know that You are under the power of a demon ([d]insane). Abraham died, and also the prophets, yet You say, If a man keeps My word, he will never taste of death into all eternity.53Are You greater than our father Abraham? He died, and all the prophets died! Who do You make Yourself out to be?" the Jews were questioning His power, His Godliness, to which He said
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@42cody1 54Jesus answered, If I were to glorify Myself (magnify, praise, and honor Myself), I would have no real glory, for My glory would be nothing and worthless. [My honor must come to Me from My Father.] It is My Father Who glorifies Me [Who extols Me, magnifies, and praises Me], of Whom you say that He is your God.55Yet you do not know Him or recognize Him and are not acquainted with Him, but I know Him. If I should say that I do not know Him, I would be a liar like you. cont
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@42cody1 But I know Him and keep His word [obey His teachings, am faithful to His message]." Yahshua was a messenger, His Father's messenger. He was only glorified AFTER His death to the flesh, and the defeating of death itself. then and only then did He become omnipotent, become self existing. if Yahsua failed like adam did, well who knows what would have happened, thank God and praise Him His son died for us and destroyed satan.
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 when did yahsua origin beigin according to Micah 5:2-his origins were from ancient of days from days of eternity? he was always eternally yahsua. He was an eternal person of the Godhead . Never created but having come in the flesh-meaning that he came down from heaven where he existed before hand Jn 6:38.
42cody1 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 your statement he was only glorfied AFTER his death, sir you need to go read Jn 17:5 he had all that glory as a concious eternal person of the Godhead before his birth. but back to Micah 5:2
42cody1 10 months ago
@42cody1 you need to read this Jn 17:5"And now, Father, glorify Me along with Yourself and restore Me to such majesty and honor in Your presence as I had with You before the world existed" Yahshua was not glorified until after His crucifixtion, that is what this passage is dealing with, He is asking His Father to Glorify Him, as how He was before He became flesh and took upon sin and died for us.
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 so he had all that Glory as a seperate and distinct being than that of the Father and that both shared in the same Glory before the world was, so it was his by divine right before having come thru Mary's womb into the very World that he by the Fathers own admission had created. Yahshua didnt begin in the womb of Mary but was an eternal person of the Godhead whose orgins were from ancient of days from all eternity the great 'I AM'. The same yesterday, today, and forever! Amen.
42cody1 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 from what I am under the impression from you is that Yahshua's origin began in Mary's womb rather than he being an eternal distinct being of the Godhead -thus my use of Jn 17:5 was to show you that he was Glorified and shared in the same Glory of the Father before coming thru Mary -before he created the Earth ect-that he is therefore uncreated and therefore God our Creator but NOT the person of the Father, he was the eternal word and was face to face "With" the Father 4 alleternity
42cody1 10 months ago
When was Adam ever worshpped as God?
42cody1 10 months ago
I love how people Judge people who are actually doing the will of God,
people who dont understand the Glory of God should not Judge elders who understand the Glory of GOd
winstond61 11 months ago
No person since the history of the resurrection of Jesus Christ has never I repeat never has done any greater miracles "US" or the "Apostles" No apostle walked on water, No apostle made 2 loafs and a few fishes feed 5 thousand. No Apostle ever raised himself from death-Not recorded biblically anywhere nor historically-so Christ when saying greater works than these shall you do-logically means something else Namely our love and self sacrifice toward our fellow man thru the Holy Spirit. . . . . .
42cody1 11 months ago
So as we learn from scripture that he "Yahshau" existed as a person that was Face to Face with=pros i.e the FatherJn 1:1 -=that Yahshua shared glory with the Father before the foundation of the world Jn 17:5 as an eternal person from ancient days, from eternity Micah 5:2, Was worshipped by wise men and Angels and identified as God with us Matt 1:23 and called Lord before his baptism -this is all b4 his baptism- He existed b4 Abraham and Jn the Baptist Jn 8:58, Jn 1:30-this is scriptural.
42cody1 11 months ago
Yahshua is the same yesterday, today, and forever-never once has Adam met this attribute. Yahshua was the same before Adam, during Adam, and after Adam. Yashshua was uncreated. His going forth was from ancient of Days from days of Eternity. Micah 5:2-He was the First and the Last. Rev 1:17-No one can ever give scripture stating the same about Adam. It isnt scriptural and its from the pits of hell and from false mouths of false prophets such as Creflo Dollar and Kenneth Copeland.
42cody1 11 months ago
Guys I need all to understand that Yahshua whom we call Jesus is called ""The First and The Last in Rev 1:17 which means exactly that "The Eternal One" Thayer's Greek English Lexicon. He is one of the eternal persons with the Godhead -never 2nd to anyone. He was called the 2nd Adam only in the sense of being Man's redeemer-hence before becoming a servant he was eternally God and possessed all the attributes, rank, and the authroity to that position by divine right.
42cody1 11 months ago
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Some of Kenneth Copeland's False Teachings:
"God has never used sickness to discipline His children"
"Jesus didn't claim to be God when He lived on earth"
"the New Age/occult techniques of positive imaging and visualization are for God's people today "
"It would have been impossible for Jesus to have been poor!"
"You're all God. You don't have a God living in you; you are one! ... When I read in the Bible where God tells Moses, 'I AM,' I say, 'Yah, I am too!'"
He does NOT teach the Bible!
rickgigliotti 11 months ago
@rickgigliotti I agree that what he is teaching as it relates to what you posted here which I think has been unfiarly flagged by the way is unscriptural-God uses the Holy Spirit to teach not sickness for sure and the other posts you applied are very herectical as it applies to copeland and I thank you for your boldness on this subject.
42cody1 11 months ago
So what you are saying is that there is no distinction of persons and God's word disagrees with you on so many levels.Reread Jn 1:1 go back and take a look at the word with and do some research on scholastic works and you will see the scholarship behind what I am saying. Try Philip B harners work in the Journal of Biblical Literaute vol 92 1973 in his article qualataive anartharous nouns.
42cody1 11 months ago
thank you so much for standing up for Jesus and talk against these blind leaders !!
harald144 11 months ago
@ShuriRyuKa you say having faith and standing on faith does not make things happen, or come into existence, the Word says Mark 11:23-24" 23Truly I tell you, whoever says to this mountain, Be lifted up and thrown into the sea! and does not doubt at all in his heart but believes that what he says will take place, it will be done for him.24For this reason I am telling you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe (trust and be confident) that it is granted to you, and you will [get it].
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 God is the object of our Faith it is God and God alone that can bring things into existence. We do not have the power to bring things into existence we can come to our soverign God and stand on promises and direct our faith to him and in his soverign will and in his time he can bring things into our lives. Have you obtained a Justin Peters critique of the word of faith movement-its origins come from the meta physical cults but its rapped in christian terminlogy.
42cody1 11 months ago
@42cody1 exactly, Adam could no more create a flower as Yahshua could raise the dead, only the Father does the works as stated John 14:10-11" 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves."
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 Christ according to the flesh and as man said this but he as God could create anything he wanted to do in his own authroity, rank and power for it was his hands that laid the foundation of the Earth and the Heavens are his handiwork. He was equal to the Father in Rank, Nature, and Authority JN 5:18 and shared in God's glory before the foundation of the world Jn 17:5 He shared in the same glory of the Father -He was equal in every sense .
42cody1 11 months ago
@42cody1 im confused here, no one is saying there is another God being created. im showing Biblical scripture that God took upon flesh and dwelt among us not once but twice, once in adam and the second time in Yahshua to fix adam's sin. the scripture states John 1:14" 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. " the Word is God.
im gonna go to sleep now ill be on tomorrow. God bless you!
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 Where in Genesis does it say that God came down as Adam? you are imposing into scripture something that isnt there. Now in refeence to Christ God did place himself into humanity as a servant a man but this doesnt mean that God di it twice. It just means God did it once to correct Adams sin.
42cody1 11 months ago
@42cody1 far from emplying that God is incomplete, please dont put words i did not say. We are the ones who get complete, we are the ones who "marrie" to God, we are the ones who are formed by grace to be His body. id suggest going back and reading Col 2 again and look very closely. Yahshua and His body - us walk hand in hand. Yahshua is the head and we are th body, a head can not go someplace without the body and vice versa.
1 corinth 15:47 is not a legit scripture could you please re-post
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 You said that Adam was God, and that we are God supposedly in the future, then you said that you were not speaking about another God that was created-thus you to me are saying that we will all be the one self same God and if we are to all be the one self same God then God would then be incomplete and progressive and not fully complete until we become engrafted in as God. I am saying God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirt=complete.
42cody1 11 months ago
@42cody1 are of Yahshua in the flesh, all the miracles in the new testiment was of Yahshua in the flesh, same as adam when the Bible speaks of adam it is when he is in the flesh. this is the correlation and why Paul calls Yahshua the second adam. we are the ones incomplete, we are the onces who are grafted in to His body. the Bible says that Yahshua is coming back for His perfect and without wrinkle nor spot bride. that is God's children.
when Yahshua was born into this world He left all His
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@42cody1 glory and power in Heaven, the scriptures says He however was a filled with the spirit without measure, He was full of the Holy Spirit. but as a man in the flesh He like us had to seek His Father, He had to go through the same torments and struggles we have to, He performed no miracles until He was baptised, thats key, cause He like us have to wash ourselves clean.
Yahshua is the Word, and in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. it also says
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 I think that it be wise not to focus what we agree on we both agree on the infilling of the Holy Spirit and the fall of man and the curse coming on mankind due to the first Adam and we as born again people becoming the body of Christ ect. It would be wise that you at first fully clarify your position from the beginning and make it fully known before we say whats legit or not because the confusion comes from lack of knowing each position not that anyone is putting worss in mouths.
42cody1 11 months ago
@42cody1 that the Father took upon flesh(the world as us) and dwelt among us.Yahshua is God, all powerful,all knowing.
i think i exaplined this clear enough but ill make this comment that will most likely say what ive said before.before adam was dust. before Yashua the man in the flesh there was a virgin womb. it was God who breathed life (His Spirit) into the clay for adam and He breathed His breath into mary's womb. the connection for both is God.
has this cleared up you misunderstandings?
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 I dont see in scripture where the Father took upon flesh, I see that the word took upon flesh but not the Father. Jn1:1 for instance I am going to ask at this point that everything is posted with scripture-We agree that Yahshua is God. In Jn 1:1 the word was made flesh not the Father. The word was With God -whom scholars unamoniously agree was the Father and since the Word was With another person =the God. So here the Jehovah Witnesses make an excellent point contd..
42cody1 11 months ago
@42cody1 " I dont see in scripture where the Father took upon flesh, I see that the word took upon flesh but not the Father" umm when the scripture states John 1:1" 1IN THE beginning [before all time] was the Word ([a]Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God [b]Himself." the Word was God. they are one in the same. John 1:14" 14And the Word (Christ) became flesh (human, incarnate) and tabernacled (fixed His tent of flesh, lived awhile) among us; and we [actually] saw His glory ..
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 The word was with God and the word was God-as I stated it the word "With" shows independent distinction between the person of the word and the person who was ho theos the God whom scholars call the Father Jn 1:18. We cannot by pass the word "With" this implies two that are in a distinct loving relationship Jn 1:1. For example in the beginning was the woman and the woman was with the man and the woman was man. With strongly implies 2 independent persons in loving intimacy.
42cody1 11 months ago
@42cody1 the word was as clearly stated shows the connection of both. the hebrew word for was is kalah kaw-law' from 3615; a completion; adverb, completely; also destruction:--altogether, (be, utterly) consume(-d), consummation(-ption), was determined, (full, utter) end, riddance. see the wording there completely,completion. The Father and Yahshua the Word are completed, are one.
you are talking about man using that analogy, man is not omnipotent. but we can however use instead of the Word..
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 I agree that they are one for sure, but the church holds to the position that the Godhead is made up of 3 eternal personal persons and one of those eternal persons namely Christ/word entered into mary's womb and that this person Yahshua beginnings didnt happen in Mary's womb but was an eternal concious individual person within the one Godhead that by humble choice decided to come as a man into the Earth. Adam was created Christ was a preexistent eternal person unlike Adam.
42cody1 11 months ago
@42cody1 we can use Love, since God is Love. now we look at John1:11 In the beginning was the Love, and the Love was with Love, and the Love was Love. now we look at john 3:16 in the same context using Love for God cause that is who God is. 16 For Love so loved the world that Love gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
when we view God as who is truely is Love, wow that ecompasses everything. because the Love of the Father is in
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@42cody1 me and is in you through the Holy Spirit, that the Words of Love took upon flesh to die for our sins out of Love. and that Love has ascended to the most high place above ALL names and is sitting at the right hand of Love.
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@42cody1 (His honor, His majesty), such glory as an only begotten son receives from his father, full of grace (favor, loving-kindness) and truth." we have already shown in John 1:1 that the Word was God. now we see that the Word took upon flesh. it also says John 14:6" 6Jesus said to him, I am the Way and the Truth and the Life; no one comes to the Father except by (through) Me." so the Word is Also the way to the Father. scriptures also state John 3:16 " For God / the Word so Loved the world
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 You put alot of wonderful things down that I agree with but then you go right off scripture. What I like abouit scripture is that when someone goes off the way side red flags occur. Now with this in mind logic dictates that the word "WITH" implies 2 can you not see this simplicty of scripture? This is why I ask you where was Christ prior to coming to Earth as a man. The word with implies 2 people and that both existed for all eternity in a distinct loving relationship unlike adam.
42cody1 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 So there is a big difference between Jesus and Adam -Jesus created Adam. Now according to the flesh there are similarities but that is totally where it stops. Christ created Adam. anyways its illogical for Adam to be God -Adam was a servant of God-Jesus eternally existed as God and had to take a form of servant in order to be the 2nd Adam Phil 2:5-11 If Adam was God he wouldnt be a servant, if Adam was God he couldnt have sinned or died for that matter. its illogical.
42cody1 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 The Jehovah Witness correctly point out at this junction of Jn 1:1 that someone who is with another person cannot be the one and self same person because the word "with" shows disticnt independent distinction between two persons. So I ask where in scripture does it say that the Father took on flesh? I say that it isnt there. So you are saying the Father took flesh-I am saying that that isnt scriptural. I need a specific verse on your assumption .
42cody1 11 months ago
@42cody1 that God/the Word gave His only begotten son that whomever believes in Him shall have eternal life" the scriptures also say John 14:10" 10Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in Me? What I am telling you I do not say on My own authority and of My own accord; but the Father Who lives continually in Me does the ([a]His) works (His own miracles, deeds of power)." this verse alone is the obvious evidence that the Word is part of the Father
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 You are saying the Father took flesh and that isnt biblical there is a person called the Father and there is a person called the Son. They are in union together and share the same nature but yet the are distinct as scholars agree.
42cody1 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 I am not disagree that they are God but back to Jn 1:1 it clearly shows distinction between the word and the Father by the word with, this verse does not make them the same person they are distinct as shown by many verse in the new testament. THEY COLLECTIVELY make God for sure and in this sense they are of the same essence but no doubt there persons are seperate. as Jn 1:1 shows in fact one came down from heaven to do the others will. 2 implied no matter how ya slice it.
42cody1 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 that God/the word gave his only begotten Son is not what the bible says it says that God gave his only begotton Son. Adam had his beginning when God made him but Jesus had come in the flesh from another place as Cody showed so Jesus existed along side the Father for all eternity as a individual person thus was not created but was uncreated unlike Adam -Adam was a servant of God Jesus was equal to God-Jn 5:18 somthing Adam never was.
456todd 11 months ago
@456todd the Word is God. the Word is Love cause scriptures state the God is Love.Yahshua was created in the womb, mary's egg, and God's hand created Yahshua in the flesh, or the Bible calls Him Jesus,i dont use Jesus cause it is a mocking term but also not His name, since Hebrews would never name anyone with a J since they dont use that letter, and enlgish only started using it around the 1500's.
the scriptures state that God gave adam dominion over His creation, think about that for a second
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 may I interject, Yahshua=Yahweh saving was a eternal person who humbly made the choice to take on a servants form for sure- phil 2:5-11 Yahshua made this humble choice to do so and made this choice as an eternal person within the Godhead prior to becoming flesh and entering mary's womb. The word was God and became flesh and existed eternally in a face to face relationship of love and intimacy but yet was independtly distinct from ho theos =the God=the Father.
42cody1 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 may I interject, Yahshua=Yahweh saving was a eternal person who humbly made the choice to take on a servants form for sure- phil 2:5-11 Yahshua made this humble choice to do so and made this choice as an eternal person within the Godhead prior to becoming flesh and entering mary's womb. The word was God and became flesh and existed eternally in a face to face relationship of love and intimacy but yet was independtly distinct from ho theos =the God=the Father. Yahshua created Adam.
42cody1 11 months ago
@456todd alot of people pass over that and move on but think about it. think about yourself in today, either at work or at home. you work hard on something, you put alot of time into something, will you be so ready to give it to someone else. like for example a major work project, are you willing to give it freely to someone who doesnt deserve it and allow them all the credit? God gave Adam aka Man(cause thats what adam means) His creation, He gave it freely to us with only one request
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 imago dei =made us in his image, this is such a compliment for us but the chuch never meant that this made us in any way equal to God or else he wouldnt have called us man. We Are man God is God -we as man were made in imago dei in the sense that we unlike the rest of the creatures had a spark within us that gave us self actualization and that we had a mind will and emotions and were aware that the creator chose us in which to perform his love through. Not that we are God.
42cody1 11 months ago
@42cody1 i never said as was God being omnipotent. He was the same as Yahshua in the definement of both were created, both were given dominion, and both had to seek their father. the power that was bestowed upon adam from God turned from the blessing to the curse. just imagine that, adam's choice to sin tainted all of creation, that includes the Heavens. the scriptures state that the tainting of creation came up to but not including the thrown room. that was a powerful blessing adam misused.
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 Adam was never the same as Yahshua this is the mistake you are making you are equating the two. Yahshua was omnipotent while on the Earth-you are confusing his role as a man with his role as God. He was the same yesterday, today, and forever-he was always existing as God but in his servant's role as the 2nd Adam he made a nonuse of what was already his by divine right. He was God at all times but playing out a servants role he had to follow the protocol of a servant's position.
42cody1 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 if Adam was God as you are defending he would be omnipotent, all knowing, omni-present -God doesnt grow into perfection he is already perfect plus God can't sin. We as humans "Man" grow into spiritual maturity but not as God/gods but as humans only ans when we reach the divine nature as in when we are no longer subject to death we will live forever just as those other beings called angels will as well. Not being subject any longer to death doesnt make us God.
42cody1 11 months ago
@42cody1 image from the hebrew"8544 tmuwnah tem-oo-naw' or tmunah {tem-oo-naw'}; from 4327; something portioned (i.e. fashioned) out, as a shape, i.e. (indefinitely) phantom, or (specifically) embodiment, or (figuratively) manifestation (of favor):--image, likeness, similitude."
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 I can appreciate your love to Jesus but if you are believing that Yahshua didnt eternally exists as a person that was face to face with=pros the Father for all eternity and that is origins and goings forth from the days of eternity Micah 5:2 and that he was called Lord, God, and was worshipped prior to his baptism and was creator that was sent from heaven to do the Father's will Jn 6:38 and shared glory with the Father b4 the foundation of the world as a person then you missed it.
42cody1 11 months ago
@42cody1 but thank God for Yahshua, reclaiming it back from the illegitimate satan.
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@456todd and that is obidience. God told adam and eve they can have everything they see in the garden but one thing. and it was that one thing that drove them to be disobidient, yes they were tempted but they with the free will given to them chose to turn away from God. they did the same thing lucifer did except lucifer was not tempted, he chose by himself. Jesus/Yahshua the man who walked the earth, did miracles, was created, just like adam. both had to find God,both had to be obedient.
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 thank you for clarifying your position the biblical record is that this only happened one time not twice-that has to be added to scripture Adam chose to exalt himself to be as God knowing both Good and Evil if God came as Adam as you say God then he wouldnt have limited knowledge or the desire to be as God. The 1st man was of the Earth 1 corinth 15:47 He was not God interjecting himself into humanity, but the 2nd man was the Lord from heaven thus God interjected only once.
42cody1 11 months ago
@42cody1 the scriptures clearly state the God blew His spirit into adam and gave Him life. gen 2"7Then the Lord God formed man from the [a]dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath or spirit of life, and man became a living being" there is only 1 Spirit of Life, the Holy Spirit. as seen in the day of pentecost acts 2:4"4And they were all filled (diffused throughout their souls) with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other (different, foreign) languages (tongues), cont
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@42cody1 as the Spirit kept giving them clear and loud expression [in each tongue in appropriate words]. to be born again is to have the Holy Spirit living within you. the reason Death entered the world was due to adam's sin, the death was not a physical death but a spiritual death, thats why until pentecost all men were spiritually "dead" the did not have the Holy Spirit living in them, hence why there were the laws of moses, the feasts to follow etc.Yahshua allowed by His death the Holy Spirit
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 I agree with alot of what you say especialy when it comes to the infilling of the Holy Spirit and the fall of man due to Adams curse and the need 4 penecost. My position is that we must have the correct Christ in order to be filled with the Holy Spirit. I am saying that if we see Jesus as just a created being and exactly like the first Adam then we do not have the correct Christ that is presented in the biblical record. I say Jesus was a eternal person that chose to come as a man.
42cody1 11 months ago
@42cody1 i want to stop you there, i dont only see Yahshua as a created being, far from it. He was in the beginning, His words created ALL things. what im merely referring to is thhat adam and Yahshua were both made, both had the Spirit of God inside them and both could not do any miracles unless the Father was in them working through them to produce the Father's work.the only difference is that adam sinned, and Yahshua had to fix that mistake.
when we read the new testiment, ALL the red words
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 ok you dont see Yahshua as only a created being-exactly something you cant say about Adam, Adam was a created being that could sin and was a servant. Jesus on the other hand existed eternally and couldnt sin and was God and the fact that he couldnt sin proves he was God and the fact Adam could proves Adam was only a man. Jesus came down from heaven to do the Fathers will-he was equal to the Father in every sense unlike Adam. There are so many logical differences Logic is the key.
42cody1 11 months ago
@42cody1 to be able to dwell with in us, and as the scriptures say take abode, make a living space with in us. i have to go but ill be back later, im enjoying talking with you about our savior
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 We become the temple of God that means God indwells each individual believer-its an intimacy thing as you know ans something I should know better. The WOF movement does not see Jesus as being a person eternally existing but rather that he as a man found himself in scripture. God only became man to save his creation from Satan-it never meant that Adam was God-that is not scriptural enjoyed speaking with you, Love in Christ i will be off for a few days.
42cody1 11 months ago
@42cody1 WOF? please elaborate. back to the adam topic i fear you are not understanding my words. both adam the man, and Yahshua the man were flesh, were created, one from clay and the other in Mary's womb. both were created in the Likeness of God...perfect, both had the Spirit of God in them. both had free will as this was the blessing bestowed upon man. the difference between adam and Yahshua..adam sinned. Yahshua didnt. is this more clear to you now?
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 Mr. Dathon, I need a few days, having some heart problems and plus I have to work, have to see a cardiologist on Monday. The weekend is my busiest time. Thanks for your clarification -so your saying that Jesus like Adam both were created and not eternal personal beings. Not that I believe that Adam was at all. I would fully agree with this account as it is regards to Adam but with Christ it is important for us to make sure we have the biblical Christ hence he is the only one 4life.
42cody1 11 months ago
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@MrDathon1577 Mr. Dathon, I need a few days, having some heart problems and plus I have to work, have to see a cardiologist on Monday. The weekend is my busiest time. Thanks for your clarification -so your saying that Jesus like Adam both were created and not eternal personal beings. Not that I believe that Adam was at all. I would fully agree with this account as it is regards to Adam but with Christ it is important for us to make sure we have the biblical Christ hence he is the only one 4life.
42cody1 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 Perhaps we need to totally back up and declare our positions, I am not 4 sure of your position of faith. I at first come from the Jehovah Witness background, then the Way International, but I have come out of both of those ministries unto the Baptist and or assembly of God faith- I am protestant - I believe in the account of the orthodox's view of Jesus Christ as biblical that he was eternally existent as a person not as a thought but in reality.
42cody1 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 Lets elaborate on your Jesus, so we can cut thru the chase did your Jesus preexist as God as a living concious person that made a humble choice to take a servants position as the 2nd Adam? ? Yes or No. Thats what I need to know. This is the one question that I need an answer too. Lets ensure we have the LEGIT Jesus before we discuss further. ignore all my other statements except this one and let this be our starting point.
42cody1 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 We become the temple of God that means God indwells each individual believer-its an intimacy thing as you know and something I should know better. The WOF movement does not see Jesus as being a person eternally existing but rather that he as a man found himself in scripture. God only became man to save his creation from Satan-it never meant that Adam was God-that is not scriptural enjoyed speaking with you, Love in Christ i will be off for a few days.
42cody1 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 Mr. Dathon, my computer broke down on me during the bcourse of our conversation so i apologize if i left anything unanswered. I have also had to deal with spring break issues and health problems. I will review our conversation when i get some time to ensure i have addressed any missed isssue.
42cody1 11 months ago
@42cody1 i hope nothing to serious about health concerns. Father in the name of Yahshua send healing to 42cody1, wash whatever problems he is having away. your name is above all others, and they must submit in your Holy name. In Yahshua's name amen.
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 Thank you Mr. Dathon I had to be carried out by paramedics in reference to my heart, i am ok so far, it kind of snuck up on me. tyoday is my birthday and i am happy to be here. Thank you for your prayers perhaps we can speak again soon after things calm around here. Love in Christ.
42cody1 11 months ago
@42cody1 happy birthday, and I pray Father you heal 42cody1's heart father. make his heart strong as to your words and to your will. your Word removes all yolks and bares all things Father. heal his heart, body, and Spirit in Yahshua's name. amen
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 Mr Dathon not to beat a dead horse you were saying that Adam could no more than create a flower -I agree, however you made another statement that Yahshua could no more than raise the dead -Jn 2:19-21 shows that Yahshua did indeed raise the dead as in his ownself. He said Tear down this temple and 3 days "I" will raise it up. This was in reference to hisd own body and his own flesh being raised by himself - all 3 eternal persons were involved in the resurrection.
42cody1 11 months ago
@42cody1 ill nip this in the butt real quick to make the point. Yahshua performed miracles, raised people from the dead, fed the multitude with fish when? before or after His baptism with John the Baptist?
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 actrually your not nipping anythging in the butt-Scriptures shows Yahshua as a person who was concious in heaven -as an eternal person within the Godhead who made a humble choice to come to Earth as a servant to do the Father's will but he existed as God and that he is the same yesterday, today and forever as Hebrews shows-he immutable he has forever been a copncious person of God yesterday, today and forever and it didnt begin after his baptism. God cant cease being God.
42cody1 11 months ago
@42cody1 you spent 5 replies and u never answered the question.did Yashua do miracles before His baptism? yes or no?
did Yahshua have all authority of Heaven before or after His death? im not gonna reply to all 5 replies that is not needed, but please answer these two questions and i will show more of the Word to back my statements ok. God bless brother.
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 I answered your questions with questions I asked if he was worshipped as God prior to his baptism? and I asked if he called was called Lord and God prior to his baptism? These questions answer all your questions. I asked if he called God his Father? thus making himself equal with God. Jn 5:18 This was done before and after his baptism. We never got past Jn 1:1 if I recall.. do you see the eternal distinction between the Father and Son ? I never got that answer from you?
42cody1 11 months ago
@42cody1 no they do not. two answers needed. did Yahshua perform any miracles prior to His baptism? yes or no? and did Yahshua have all authority of Heaven before His crucifixion? yes or no?
before we go further in our discussion you need to answer these 2 questions. i will then elaborate after you have answered.
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 Christ had two natures did he not so in one nature he did and in another nature he did not. In one nature he possessed all the nature and authority of God and in the olther nature he did not. As a man he grew, as a man he was annoited, as a man he grew weary was tried and proved obedience but as God he entered the womb of Mary by choice phil 2:5-11, as God he crated all things including Adam, as God he raised himslef from death Jn 2:19 As God he was sinless. 2 natures.
42cody1 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 I have answered this question extsensively as God he did as man he did not.Do you recognize the churches position of the dual nature of Christ? So its a two part answer as a man he followed a step by step process of obedience and did so sucessfully because he was trully God in the flesh- Adam fell because he was only a man in the flesh.He didn't possess the equality of nature that was needed to accomplish the task that Christ fullfilled thus proving their disntintion N nature.
42cody1 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 Your position is that as I understand it that Adam is God manifest in the flesh just as Christ was, I am saying that is unbiblical-I have even asked you for specific biblical support that says directly your position. You have offered no biblical support that the bible calls Adam God or was worshipped in anyway or that his beginnings began eternally as a concious eternal person. I have contrasted the difference between Christ and Adam exstensively.
42cody1 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 I answered your questions with questions marking the identity of Christ prior to his baptism which declares his eternal identity- he didnt become God he was always God as I posted so yes he had all the authority of God before and after his birth and before and after his baptism. The Earth is the Lord and the fulness there of them and they that dwell in Earth- but I will agree that Adam lost something as God's appointed man that God had to intervene on in order to save his creation.
42cody1 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 sorry for all the posts but the problem gets right back to Jn 1:1 do you see that Yahshua was an eternal person within the Godhead that was distinct from the Father whom existed from all eternity in a face to face loving relationship. This is what Jn 1:1 declares- ? this was where we actually left off if you remember? was it Not? Now yes Christ did miracles before his baptism as a person he created "All Things". The very fact of enetring Mary's womb by choice was a miracle.
42cody1 11 months ago
@42cody1 did Yahshua the man do miracles before He was baptised? the answer is no. and to the second question, did Yahshua as the man have ALL authority? the answer is no. and now the expansion to my answers. first Yes Yahshua is the Word and Yes He was with God and WAS God as in what is written in John 1:1. when He was born into this world He was with out ALL authority, the scriptures state He was however given the Spirit without measure, and the reason for this was due to the walk Yahshua had
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 Well if your excluding making the choice to enter Mary's womb as a servant as not being a miracle I guess i can see your point. So we now have between us an understanding that both of us believe that Christ was both God and Man-this is progress -do you see Jesus as existing as an eternal concious person in a relationship with the Father? be specific please
42cody1 11 months ago
@42cody1 He had to over some ALL temptations, ALL sin. and only when Yahshua was baptised then and only then the Father was able to work miracles through Him just like us, only when we get born again can we do God's bidding. now on to the authority. Yahshua did not have ALL authorty when He walked the earth, His name was not above ALL names when He walked the earth, only when He became sin, went down to hell and was ressurected then and only then we see Matthew 28:18 cont
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 Ok lets stop here I want to take a close look at this position as to its biblical basis plus the wife is fussing for here kroger stop thank you for your time. Be back to spend time with you later love in Christ.
42cody1 11 months ago
@42cody1 kroger? not sure what that is lol
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 Where you from? ya havent heard of a kroger that is amzaing. Are you in the states? Hey please dont take my firmness ever as rudeness, there are alot of things you and I agree on and there is alot within the word of faith that I find to be very biblical -so I am not against every aspect of their belief just the parts that I find extra biblical, so just know I agree with a tremendous amount of things you posts-not against every aspect at all. I do believe its a false gosple tho..
42cody1 11 months ago
@42cody1 im from canada. who is God? He is our creator, our Father. He is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. He can do all things. the Word says the world was created by faith, by perfect faith. God bless brother, i will talk with you tomorrow. and just to let you know, we can differ on doctrine, and this is a great learning tool, and learning ability, but the most important thing is that we can come together and praise our God, and that is the easy thing to do lol.
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 wow, canada i bet it gets cold up there. Yes these are wonderful attributes that you speak of that God is our Creator, Father, The Alpha and Omega ... yes we can differ on many issues like the day of the exdous or who wrote Hebrews these are not salvation issues, but on Salvation issues we cannot disagree on because those are eternal life foundational issues and teaching a different Jesus or God is a Not comprimisable issue because a different God/Jesus cannot save. Love in Christ.
42cody1 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 I will post one more thing before moving on to etertaining family, I at this point will require specific questiuons to be answered with biblical reference and it will be direct -I am not wanting to hop from subject to subject randomly -so if I move backwards to specifics it will be for clarification-not meant to frustrate or aggravate moving on to Christ going into hell after the cross and becoming sin is not an issue that I am currently focusing on. My foucs is who is God.Gnite.
42cody1 11 months ago
@42cody1 one other note, Yahshua never called Himself the son of God, He called Himself the son of man - man referring to adam. just wanted to throw that in. Good night and God bless.
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 Gnite Mr. DATHON LOL-SEE YA SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON. By the way I am feeling much better physically Gnite love in Christ.
42cody1 11 months ago
@42cody1 TY Father for your feeling better GNITE Brother. God Bless.
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 I believe we have authroity as christians most certainly I would never deny that but that still does not make us God its is us acting out as as his servants for the purpose sharing the gosple of repentance to mankind -not that we are to walk around creating things-but to make us successful in ministry. nite again. I will focus on the identity of God as within the scriptural perimeter from Genesis to Revelation. Got to go seriously.
42cody1 11 months ago
@42cody1 ok Brother good night.
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 you two thank you for your friendship request see ya hopefully 2 morrow i will find some time inbetween work and college and family you know how it goes.
42cody1 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 Ok I not going to spend time on whether Yahshua ever called Himself the Son of God because I know you already know that he is "The Son of God". It isnt worth any attention because you already know its easily refuted -so I would much rather focus on how many True Gods are there? I think we would agree that there is only One True God-so what are the attributes that identify this One and True God as "God" as opposed to false gods. I would like 4 U and I to expound on these attributes.
42cody1 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 I will speak more on this verse because I disagree with it on so many biblical levels and I believe scripture does as well, We will look at some of his names to see if what you say is true, What is funny is that the name Yahshua itself means Yahweh saving, Emanuel means with us is the God. So he has always had the names and titles that Rank him above all names and authority eternally. Such as The First and Last -the Alpha and Omega the Almighty - 2sides to this issue pre and post.
42cody1 11 months ago
@42cody1 18Jesus approached and, [a]breaking the silence, said to them, All authority (all power of rule) in heaven and on earth has been given to Me." this was after His ressurection. we also see that only after His ressurection His name was set above ALL names Colossians 2"9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily"
im not saying Yahshua was not God manifested in the flesh, im saying because God manifested Himself into the flesh He was our standard of how to live...
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 I agree that he is our standard for sure, but Yahshua has always had the titles names and rank above all names as him being a person within the Godhead but as it applied to his position of his servants role as the 2nd Adam he had to regain what Adam had lost for sure and that was for a human as the 2nd Adam had to retake what Adam lost and that logically was Not all authority in Heaven or Earth. Jesus came to pay the price for sin through the shedding of Blood as sin offering.
42cody1 11 months ago
@42cody1 why would the devil try and tempt God? i mean God created all things, there is nothing that the devil has that can tempt God. why would the scriptures state that His birth was a secret towards the devil? the reason is this, God did indeed take upon flesh, became human, became governed by the guidelines He created such as gravity, aging etc. God did this for 2 main reasons, first to be able to become sin to be able to get rid of sin. God can not change free will, He needs His words
MrDathon1577 11 months ago
@MrDathon1577 wow so now God became sin-that would be a total change in nature not to mention is a blaspemous statement-this is why I once again asked your for the attributes of God so as to avoid further unbiblical assumptions- God becoming sin is blaspemous and I am aware of that verse your calling from but the humanity of Christ was offered as a sin offering- God is immutable which means he cant change now or ever becoming sin would mean a change in nature.
42cody1 10 months ago
@42cody1 "wow so now God became sin-that would be a total change in nature not to mention is a blaspemous statement-" what are you talking about blasphemous? the scritpures state and i quote 2 Corinthians 5:21 " 21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."
that is self evident that Yahshua the pure lamb died for our sins by becoming ALL sin,enduring ALL sin and going down into the pit and as the scriptures state cont
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@42cody1 Colossians 2"14Having cancelled and blotted out and wiped away the handwriting of the note (bond) with its legal decrees and demands which was in force and stood against us (hostile to us). This [note with its regulations, decrees, and demands] He set aside and cleared [j]completely out of our way by nailing it to [His] cross." do you know what a note is? a bond?
satan through adam's fall had the authority to demand death on us, that is why adam's sin was so enormous, Yahshua
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@42cody1 had to live as a man perfect, had to bare ALL our sins cause if He did not then we will have to bare them when we die, Yahshua then had to go into hell and defeat ALL demons, ALL powers so that His name is ABOVE ALL NAMES. if He did not then His name would NOT be above ALL names. and then most important of it all, Yahshua had to be glorified, become the new man, this was accomplished through His Ressurection.and then the most wonderful gift He gives us comes from this...
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@42cody1 He gives us, the born again in Him His authority Mark 16"And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they[b] will take up serpents; cont
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 this isnt a sword fighting contest, the reality fo the subject is/are the attributes of God-God is uncreated we are created, God is self existent our existence depends upon him wholly as did Adams. Adam was given authority true and goofed it off, God had to correct the situation out of grace-Yahshua is self existent Jn 8:58, this is an attribute of God. Can you name one single verse that shows that Adam has this attribute of self existence?
42cody1 10 months ago
@42cody1 Yahshua was created in the flesh lol He/God took upon flesh and dwelt among us.
"I said God does not change in nature at all his being is and will always be God self existent, uncreated, all knowing, all powerful, eternal. God's nature cannot change and his nature can never become sin it would be a change in nature." God's nature is Love everything stems from Love, the fruits of the Spirits are Galatians 5:22" But the fruit of the Spirit is love..." see how Love is first? why?
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@42cody1 God IS Love. thats why the 1st commandment is "Have NO other God before me" now lets switch out God for Love for 1 John 4:8" 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. " and you will see the 1st commandment state" Have no other LOVE before me" or John 3:16" For God so LOVED the world..." God's nature is Love, adam HAD Love, and why because He was made in the Likeness of God, adam HAD TO BE filled with Love, because the breath of Life is a Love act. just like Yahshua
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 When was Adam ever called eternal and self existent-having the compacity to love does not make one God
42cody1 10 months ago
@42cody1 when was Yahshua called eternal and self existing? AFTER His ressurection, when He sat on the right hand of His Father. up until the cross He/Yahshua was bound by flesh and why because that as the burden He chose to take upon Himself so that we can have eternity with Him.
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 incorrect way before that, he claimed it way before the resurrection Jn 8:58.
He claimed self extistence way before the cross
42cody1 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 His goings forth were from ancient days from days of eternity Micah 5:2 scripture doesnt teach your Jesus.
42cody1 10 months ago
@42cody1 this scripture Micah 5:2 was a prophecy about Yahshua's birth.
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 whoops be careful his goings forth were from ancient days from days of everlasting-meaning eternity-so yes its a picture of one whose goings forth were fromancient days from eternity that would become a servant for us -he didnt have to at all and during this state what type of being was he?
42cody1 10 months ago
@42cody1 i got to ask since it is becoming evident, but i need to ask since you seem to be stuck on the charachteristics of God. did God die for our sins? yes or no? or are you of Jewish belief who think that Yahshua was just a man or are you of muslim belief that depicts Yahshua a man and was not crucified?
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 I'm not stuck on anything, the attributes of God ensure that we find the correct Jesus of the Bible whom you said last night was NOT the creator? Scripture declares Yahshua's origin from ancient of days from days of eternity that didnt begin in the womb of mary but rather came thru Mary- My view is teh same as the orthodox view of the church that the church has held onto for 2000 years. That Christ was 100% Man and 100% God that he was dual natured. I thought that was made clear.
42cody1 10 months ago
@42cody1 then by your comment alone" That Christ was 100% Man and 100% God that he was dual natured. " Him dying on the cross for our sin is against your attributes of God, who is self existing and eternal. how can God die? Yah is the Father the eternal, Yahshua is the son, the flesh, the one who had to be baptised and filled with the Holy Spirit and seek His Father, and die for our sins by become ALL sin.
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@MrDathon1577 Not at all God cannot die-what I am saying is that the person of God according to Genesis thru Rev has been identified The Father, The Word/ Yahsua, and The Holy Spirit-God cannot die as we know his nature cannot change thus God can choose to live in a mortal body as a servant. See Yashua-the eternal word was a person who lived before Mary's womb as God our creator. The flesh /servant that God chose to live in did die. As a man he died but as God he raised himself from death.
42cody1 10 months ago
@42cody1 Yahshua is the son, Yah,Elohim,Abba,Adonais etc are the Father. Yah = God/Father shua = saves. they are united together. think of them as lets say emotions of a person, your joy is the one descriptive, your actions are another, and so on and so forth. God however is the Living word, His actions come to pass, His words by FAITH come to pass. the Holy Spirit if The Father working in us, The son Yahshua is our gateway to the Father, and our Faith is the love for our Father and the worship
MrDathon1577 10 months ago
@42cody1 of Him. do you see it all leads to the Father, the all encompassing being who made all things. ever wonder why God didnt destroy lucifer and the fallen angels before He created man? ever wonder why God created time, i mean God is timeless. God created man in His image and gave man authority over everything to remove sin, because if God merely eradicated lucifer and the demons He would be going against the very free will He gave the angels, God would be sinning. that is why God made man
MrDathon1577 10 months ago