This "idea you had" is a VERY common thing. With the snare you are simply playing quarter note triplets against the swing ride cymbal pattern. The bass drum is playing off beat quarter note triplets. Another way to look at it is that the notes of the snare and bass equal eighth note triplets. This pattern is used all the time in jazz but with much more finesse.
Check the clutch of your top hi hat cymbal. It's so loose that it makes noise. Sounds like you don't have a bottom felt for the clutch.
@DrumTchr I was on a short lived blast beat kick when i made this vid. and i was also working on the art of bop drumming .. came across that and thought I could turn it into a blast variation. and in my mind at that time I was thinking of doing that through a whole part of a song as a main beat. and the hat clutch thing ... it was just really loose i do have all the felts on all my cymbals
its something different, and nice that somehow you achieved to combine metal and jazz, but when playing it, there is nothing jazzy on it, at all. jazz time looses its feel in that death metal mess. anyway, i think its a great idea for practicing, where for sure, can help both jazz drummer and death metal drummer. so, well done my friend
acutally this thing sounds fuckin great when its played veeery slow!!!
When u play it fast it sounds like fuckin mess:/
But in the middle of vid u showed it in slower speed... it was more like a slow skank beat and to me it was one of the most crazy sounding beat iv ever heard!
Because of that ride fill it gets.... huh, some kind of.... huh... cant name it , it just sounds amazing!:)
i wasn't into atheist when i made this vid (didn't hear of them yet).. but have since gotten REALLY into them and yes .. HOLY SHIT !! they are awesome .. i saw them live in allentown maybe like 2 months ago .. i was standing against the stage mouth wide open drooling at what steve flyn was doing.. completly sick!! he never uses this jazz blast though and i honestly hate this video .. it's gotten more views than any of my other vids and it was just a random vid i made with little thought
yes it was ... gnostic had me drooling too.. sick stuff. which band were you? i don't remember any of the openers ... the sterling always has 10,000 openers
This one is one of the exercises in "Advanced Techniques for the Modern Drummer" by Jim Chapin Volume 1 coordinated independence as applied to jazz and bebop. I'm learning primarily to play metal but I'm learning everything else too and I think this book is great.
it does. i'm honestly trying to figure out why this video has the most views. it is my least fav of the vids i have on here. it also has the most comments. ... i've realized that people don't like to leave compliments.. they'd rather find something that they don't like and complain. lol. anyway .. check out some of my other lesson vids. like on moeller, open close, or up down
Haha, even if it's hard to fit into any kind of music, it's a great exercise for separating your left and right side of the body. :) Thanks for it, I'll try it out actually.
I don't know where the fuck I heard this, but... didn't blast beats come from an old jazz band? But then taken up by someone else who made it the way it is today?
ya i think jazz drummers did create the blast beat but didnt use it a whole song like some bands...which is annoying. but its cool for phils. i liked ur punk beat tho. and its a cool idea. :)
Dude that is a pretty sweet little blast groove. i'm gonn work on it for sure. i saw a drummer called Zorro play something like that where he plays the shuffle pattern on the ride or hats and a constant triplet patern on the snare with oddly placed accents but your groove takes that same concept and applies it to metal. i really like it.
I get what you're doing - it's pretty cool. It's a variation of independence between the ride and hh pattern and the snare and BD. There's alot of them, and they help any jazzer's comping skills - so what you're doing is taking the triplet between snare and bd, then doing it blast style with the jazz pattern on ride an hh over top. It's been done. But it's still very cool.
That's kinda tight dude lol. I dunno it really don't seem that "out there" as far as putting accents on the ride hand. I think that old black dahlia fellow did a lot of similar stuff. Keep it up you seem really good.
sorry man, in my opinion it just sounds like a wet fart, loud and disgraceful. :/ u have skill and i can see it, but i spose faster isnt better, get groovy and slow things down. soz to be rough, constructive criticism :)
i've said it a million times already. thank you for the constructive criticism, but this is ment to sound loud and disgraceful. like a regular blast beat. with jazz time on the ride cymbal instead of the typical cannibal corpse type blast. i do appreciate the constructive criticism.
i forget which song i heard it in ... but i do remember hearing buddy do it in a song. he only did it for about 2 measures. i think it's more of a bop technique and this exercise is in john riley's the art of bop drumming book. the only difference is the musical intention i have for it.
I do this while doing an 8th note pattern with my left foot swapping between my slave pedal and hi-hat pedal. Sounds sweet, also playing this at slow speeds like the original jazz blast beat (the original blast beat) sounds quite nice.
d3thekid is some kind of a poser, he said that "listen to more recordings and you'll hear it. it's nothing new", if you said so, could you give me at least a reference to listen to because i've been scratching all sorts of music in everyday life.
it's been done by i think tony williams and those types. but my idea was for using it as not just a 3 second fill .. but as a consistent drum blast through a 2 minute death metal fused with jazz clusterfuck
no man, it doesn't suck, it's cool. this is something new and actually it's very difficult with that independence stuff going there, its really hard to keep that jazz thing going on along with the triplets between the snare and bass drum.
everyone is so angry on this video. i understand everyone thinks it sucks. i get it. i still have never used it in anything, it was just a dumb idea that i thought sounded pretty cool at the time. i kinda like it .. but still haven't quite found the right use yet.
in my opinion... its kool, but everything is going to fast to really hear or focus on the jazz part... but you also said something about succesfully mixing death metal and jazz... War From A Harlots Mouth does a pretty good job of that...
it's a death metal new blast concept. combining jazz time with a blast beat. i know it's not pure jazz. it's a jazzy BLAST BEAT. it's completely pointless.. i was just bored one day. and actually that beat in in john riley's the art of bop drumming book
hey boy, it isn't even jazzy what you play. That's the point. What you play is the notes of a jazz-Ride combined with tripplets on the snare + bassdrum +HH. It has nothing got to do with Jazz at all. There is no feel of the accented 2 + 4 in Jazz-Music. Listen to John Riley, you've mentioned a good source. LEARN the feel! Learn feel in general! Listen to this buddy:
"Pocket Rockout Episode 4:JAZZ" Listen how he plays the ride cymbal and apply it to your play!
your such an angry little douchebag aren't you? it's just a random idea for a new and different blast beat using a jazz ride pattern. god fucking damnit dude. chill out!
i do kno how to play real jazz. i listen to a lot of buddy rich and miles davis. this was just an interesting idea for playing expeimental death metal
That is a good idea. Very very nice to see that people also get through it without a book. I say that because the same comping exercice is in Jack DeJohnette`s comping book, on the first page, ex. 13. Proves that those excercice aren`t sacred.
btw, check out this book, will teach you alot about those things.
thats fine with me .. actually i came up with this screwing around. it sounds wierd and i can't think of many uses for it unless i get in some kind of jazz grind band which i don't think the genre has been invented yet. lol
thats weird, i came up with something kinda like that but it was just a straight one two on the ride... u seem to know what your doing though, im gonna subscribe.
I love the idea.
Jasoncampbell65 1 month ago
Haha, awesome!!
pongsitchingy 6 months ago
I do that too man, I also switch it up so I'm leading with the snare and also play sextruplets.
Slipstream0001 1 year ago
when it's sped up, it sounds like d-beat. i think there's some weird triplet, bass drum on the off beat stuff going on in d-beat
AromaticDogwood 1 year ago
Listen to Against the Clock by Allan Holdsworth. There's a blast beat in the drum solo.
kalabiandarkness 1 year ago
This "idea you had" is a VERY common thing. With the snare you are simply playing quarter note triplets against the swing ride cymbal pattern. The bass drum is playing off beat quarter note triplets. Another way to look at it is that the notes of the snare and bass equal eighth note triplets. This pattern is used all the time in jazz but with much more finesse.
Check the clutch of your top hi hat cymbal. It's so loose that it makes noise. Sounds like you don't have a bottom felt for the clutch.
DrumTchr 1 year ago
@DrumTchr I was on a short lived blast beat kick when i made this vid. and i was also working on the art of bop drumming .. came across that and thought I could turn it into a blast variation. and in my mind at that time I was thinking of doing that through a whole part of a song as a main beat. and the hat clutch thing ... it was just really loose i do have all the felts on all my cymbals
shadowlorde 1 year ago
@shadowlorde we are all drumming brothers. we are all different. much luck and success with your drumming. peace.
DrumTchr 1 year ago
That is SOO rediculously rad!
iamnotemo24 1 year ago
its something different, and nice that somehow you achieved to combine metal and jazz, but when playing it, there is nothing jazzy on it, at all. jazz time looses its feel in that death metal mess. anyway, i think its a great idea for practicing, where for sure, can help both jazz drummer and death metal drummer. so, well done my friend
mdgab321 1 year ago
I'm pretty sure Steve Smith has done this, too.
spacitydrummer4JC 1 year ago
nice idea. This sounds really brutal at the faster speeds.
VulpesDomination 1 year ago
Brutal jazz.
BrimstoneLandscapes 1 year ago
GAH! Don't say it's RANDOM! you JUST explained what you're doing and that you're synchronizing! that is NOT RANDOM!
PeterC0827 1 year ago
i don't like it.... it's crap
flip2r 1 year ago
acutally this thing sounds fuckin great when its played veeery slow!!!
When u play it fast it sounds like fuckin mess:/
But in the middle of vid u showed it in slower speed... it was more like a slow skank beat and to me it was one of the most crazy sounding beat iv ever heard!
Because of that ride fill it gets.... huh, some kind of.... huh... cant name it , it just sounds amazing!:)
BiedaQ 1 year ago
That sucked ass
habitsofclay 1 year ago
maybe try swinging the "blast beat"? should sound more synchronized...
lsjllsjl 2 years ago
buddy rich...
shadowlorde 2 years ago
"a band that somehow succesfully mixes death metal and jazz?" erm, atheist?
but besides that, you're jazz playing is tight as fuck.
Szaam 2 years ago
i wasn't into atheist when i made this vid (didn't hear of them yet).. but have since gotten REALLY into them and yes .. HOLY SHIT !! they are awesome .. i saw them live in allentown maybe like 2 months ago .. i was standing against the stage mouth wide open drooling at what steve flyn was doing.. completly sick!! he never uses this jazz blast though and i honestly hate this video .. it's gotten more views than any of my other vids and it was just a random vid i made with little thought
shadowlorde 2 years ago
Haha was it the one with Gnostic and The faceless? If so i opened up on the hall stage with my band.
mikesstudents 2 years ago
yes it was ... gnostic had me drooling too.. sick stuff. which band were you? i don't remember any of the openers ... the sterling always has 10,000 openers
shadowlorde 2 years ago
@Szaam Painted in Exil is the band u want for that
Insid15 1 year ago
This one is one of the exercises in "Advanced Techniques for the Modern Drummer" by Jim Chapin Volume 1 coordinated independence as applied to jazz and bebop. I'm learning primarily to play metal but I'm learning everything else too and I think this book is great.
donnaoblivian 2 years ago
I dont like BLAST.but you are INOVATOR!!!!!!!!!!!!THANK YOU
pektus5 2 years ago
Just sounds like any other blast beat...
danuu2 2 years ago
Give Wikipedia a search.
Probably under "blast beat". Then read.
shitsucks08 3 years ago 5
"but i call it the jazz blast! "lol
I love this
"If you somehow combine jazz with deathmetal"
bigshot111 3 years ago
...blast beats were in jazz before other bands started using them.
JawnDeeMusic 3 years ago 11
i reckon alternate between a china and a bell and or ride with you right hand, at a fast tempo that would sound huge. cool shit otherwise!! A+
hellviscool 3 years ago
hey nice beat
nice and original
fox49 3 years ago
Slight vairation of a D-beat. punk and hardcore drummers have been playing it for about 25 years.
dan0war570 3 years ago
Tony alweys did that lick.
CJ81 3 years ago
all my songs go like that:)
DeadCrabProduction 3 years ago
Very cool thing to stumble upon.
But this is something very old. I think the first time i heard it was from Tony Williams, but a bunch of cats have been playing this fill for years.
But if you want to call this a "Blast" beat, then that stuff started back in the 50's or probably much early.
Cheers
Drumdok89 3 years ago
it sounds too ugly
ultramarine12 3 years ago
it does. i'm honestly trying to figure out why this video has the most views. it is my least fav of the vids i have on here. it also has the most comments. ... i've realized that people don't like to leave compliments.. they'd rather find something that they don't like and complain. lol. anyway .. check out some of my other lesson vids. like on moeller, open close, or up down
shadowlorde 3 years ago
its a cool idea to make a new type of blast beat. but it just sounds way too busy to sound good.
ultramarine12 3 years ago
Listen to Joey Baron on the two first albums from Naked City, he does this kind of blast beat among other techniques. Very interesting one.
KlaYde12 3 years ago
Haha, even if it's hard to fit into any kind of music, it's a great exercise for separating your left and right side of the body. :) Thanks for it, I'll try it out actually.
Zapp90 3 years ago
it is ... lol.. i can't find a good use for it still .. but it's atleast a good coordination exercise
shadowlorde 3 years ago
Cool and funny at the same time. Great exercise I bet.
shraunbone 3 years ago
Blast beats started in jazz, Tony Williams and Sunny Murray for a start...
pdjcommerford 3 years ago
i kinda like it.
nice and syncopated haha
johnnybgood12345 3 years ago
I might be wrong but it kind of sounds like blasting style of early Immortal (Abbath on drums :D). I'm sure it could fit some black metal.
Tobiash87 3 years ago
Bravo... Very creative!
perchiss 3 years ago
I don't know where the fuck I heard this, but... didn't blast beats come from an old jazz band? But then taken up by someone else who made it the way it is today?
autisticinsanity 3 years ago
yes. actually buddy rich used blasts as little fills very occasionally
then through time and evolution it became a main beat
shadowlorde 3 years ago
Yeah, he played it, but I don't think it inspired the blast beat in metal.
That came from extreme punk/metal bands like DRI, then grindcore bands took it further.
Peatman 3 years ago
correct me if I am wrong but blast was done in jazz but the drummer from suffocation took it and incorporated it early on.
Spamallica13 3 years ago
experimental ftW!
Larrsa 3 years ago
ya i think jazz drummers did create the blast beat but didnt use it a whole song like some bands...which is annoying. but its cool for phils. i liked ur punk beat tho. and its a cool idea. :)
cr4ss 3 years ago
Dude that is a pretty sweet little blast groove. i'm gonn work on it for sure. i saw a drummer called Zorro play something like that where he plays the shuffle pattern on the ride or hats and a constant triplet patern on the snare with oddly placed accents but your groove takes that same concept and applies it to metal. i really like it.
Donsdrummer 3 years ago
that took it up both pipes
jcell2 4 years ago
I get what you're doing - it's pretty cool. It's a variation of independence between the ride and hh pattern and the snare and BD. There's alot of them, and they help any jazzer's comping skills - so what you're doing is taking the triplet between snare and bd, then doing it blast style with the jazz pattern on ride an hh over top. It's been done. But it's still very cool.
eskimoposh 4 years ago
I dig it...sounds cool.
fullmetaljoker 4 years ago
That's kinda tight dude lol. I dunno it really don't seem that "out there" as far as putting accents on the ride hand. I think that old black dahlia fellow did a lot of similar stuff. Keep it up you seem really good.
bleedtheyouth 4 years ago
sorry man, in my opinion it just sounds like a wet fart, loud and disgraceful. :/ u have skill and i can see it, but i spose faster isnt better, get groovy and slow things down. soz to be rough, constructive criticism :)
michaelpalmer1 4 years ago
i've said it a million times already. thank you for the constructive criticism, but this is ment to sound loud and disgraceful. like a regular blast beat. with jazz time on the ride cymbal instead of the typical cannibal corpse type blast. i do appreciate the constructive criticism.
shadowlorde 4 years ago
oh man, I play jazz.. well anyway - this is not what u can use in jazz - man thats metalldrumming and no way jazz at all. sorry
stanondrums 4 years ago
that is actually the point of this. to use in a form of metal/experimental thing. not to use in regular jazz.
shadowlorde 4 years ago
The blast beat was traditionally a jazz technique that Tony WIlliams and Buddy Rich used.
InfernalApocalypse 4 years ago
i forget which song i heard it in ... but i do remember hearing buddy do it in a song. he only did it for about 2 measures. i think it's more of a bop technique and this exercise is in john riley's the art of bop drumming book. the only difference is the musical intention i have for it.
shadowlorde 4 years ago
my intended use for this isn't for a short full (although i use it as a short comping thing 99.9999999999999999% of the time)
i was thinking of its use in a very ecclectic jazz-death metal fusion as a main beat through crazy screeching guitars and gutteral vocals
shadowlorde 4 years ago
SEI ORRENDO
enonlovedi 4 years ago
man im not in2 dat sort of drumin..........but dat is one crazy idea. 2 thumbs up and five stars!
stelioskkkkkkk 4 years ago
lol
roundaboutdrummer 4 years ago
I do this while doing an 8th note pattern with my left foot swapping between my slave pedal and hi-hat pedal. Sounds sweet, also playing this at slow speeds like the original jazz blast beat (the original blast beat) sounds quite nice.
iknowurwatching 4 years ago
Great! :D
Wake8Initio 4 years ago
cool man, great, new sounds should try this with breakdowns..
anibalisius 4 years ago
Drummers are a brotherhood. As a drummer of 35 years, I appreciate any fellow drummer sharing their ideas. Thanks man!
CosmicTraveler 4 years ago
ABSOLUTELY COOL
GGFan 4 years ago
d3thekid is some kind of a poser, he said that "listen to more recordings and you'll hear it. it's nothing new", if you said so, could you give me at least a reference to listen to because i've been scratching all sorts of music in everyday life.
hamaknaflint 4 years ago
it's been done by i think tony williams and those types. but my idea was for using it as not just a 3 second fill .. but as a consistent drum blast through a 2 minute death metal fused with jazz clusterfuck
shadowlorde 4 years ago
no man, it doesn't suck, it's cool. this is something new and actually it's very difficult with that independence stuff going there, its really hard to keep that jazz thing going on along with the triplets between the snare and bass drum.
hamaknaflint 4 years ago
whatever these haters say, I think its pretty cool
and you got good control and independence between your limbs
lgeoghegan 4 years ago
your not controlling your volume
patk4000 4 years ago
everyone is so angry on this video. i understand everyone thinks it sucks. i get it. i still have never used it in anything, it was just a dumb idea that i thought sounded pretty cool at the time. i kinda like it .. but still haven't quite found the right use yet.
shadowlorde 4 years ago
bad sound~
its kinda suck also lol ^^,
tritorik 4 years ago
Yah, no one's played that before
bshull2 4 years ago
sounds shit!
ricubus 4 years ago
Well..check out tony williams......thats the shit!!!
judosnubben 4 years ago
People do this all the time, listen to more recordings and you'll here it. It's nothing new.
d3theKid 4 years ago
Yes, I try qualm for this axe at god
festemn 4 years ago
provo nausea per questo mannaia a dio
festemn 4 years ago
translation please
shadowlorde 4 years ago
u got a point there lol
scottlowe123 4 years ago
bleah bad sound. He is A clown.
Enki3000 4 years ago
i agree on that lol
scottlowe123 4 years ago
lol, that was great. Very funny!
bplus1plus1 4 years ago
i dig it the most. very interesting. good job.
Manzant 4 years ago
your god is a pig
festemn 4 years ago
sick pattern. would have liked to see u play it in a jazz situation as a jazz fill... i could imagine elvin doing some crazy shit like this too
sclow37 4 years ago
thats odd
but i like :D
loutopdrummer 4 years ago
in my opinion... its kool, but everything is going to fast to really hear or focus on the jazz part... but you also said something about succesfully mixing death metal and jazz... War From A Harlots Mouth does a pretty good job of that...
VangelofsorrowII 4 years ago
Really weird, you're great.
ebribadi 4 years ago
you play it 2 fast and ur snare is rubbish
bigspeker 4 years ago
its kind of a joke. i'm not playing it fast enough actually. i want it to sound like a death metal bast beat with a jazz ride pattern
shadowlorde 4 years ago
Nice man I like it.
synax444 4 years ago
very random.. but i like it
ulvkult 4 years ago
you are idiot man. i love you
whooler 4 years ago
It's strange but I can definitely see potential there!
Keep up the good work!
unawakeneddeath 4 years ago
cool shit
PickelsTheDrummer 4 years ago
hey man what Evans series heads are they? thanks.
MetalWorks 4 years ago
coated g2's on the toms i still have stock heads on the reso's
genera dry snare and emad bass.
shadowlorde 4 years ago
sounds really nice, have you used the G1's on the snare? if so what are they like?
MetalWorks 4 years ago
nope just the g dry. it became my favorite from the 1st time i put it on
shadowlorde 4 years ago
that's pretty great man.
garbageburrito 4 years ago
man this has nothing got to do with JAZZ
sickpack82 4 years ago
it's a death metal new blast concept. combining jazz time with a blast beat. i know it's not pure jazz. it's a jazzy BLAST BEAT. it's completely pointless.. i was just bored one day. and actually that beat in in john riley's the art of bop drumming book
shadowlorde 4 years ago
hey boy, it isn't even jazzy what you play. That's the point. What you play is the notes of a jazz-Ride combined with tripplets on the snare + bassdrum +HH. It has nothing got to do with Jazz at all. There is no feel of the accented 2 + 4 in Jazz-Music. Listen to John Riley, you've mentioned a good source. LEARN the feel! Learn feel in general! Listen to this buddy:
"Pocket Rockout Episode 4:JAZZ" Listen how he plays the ride cymbal and apply it to your play!
sickpack82 4 years ago
your such an angry little douchebag aren't you? it's just a random idea for a new and different blast beat using a jazz ride pattern. god fucking damnit dude. chill out!
shadowlorde 4 years ago
i do kno how to play real jazz. i listen to a lot of buddy rich and miles davis. this was just an interesting idea for playing expeimental death metal
shadowlorde 4 years ago
Yeah you got to show us some of your jazz skills! Try to accent the 2 and 4 on the ride when you play the jazz-blast beat fast!
sickpack82 4 years ago
man your goona have to mic your ride for this to sound good......the ride has to be on top of the sound
uhoh38125 4 years ago
also heard Jack DeJohnette do stuff like this
CJ81 4 years ago
It was much more subtle though..
JezenThomas 4 years ago
sounds like what Tony Williams was doing with Lifetime.
CJ81 4 years ago
thats pretty cool man
zildjanzbtuser3 4 years ago
i think its pretty sick you should try it with some jazz/metal riffs
BrandynBoyles 4 years ago
Drummers get the book Advanced techniques for the modern drummer by Jim Chapin
it has a LIfetimne worth of information in it.
Terry Bozzio was shacked to see a lot of the inovative ostiantoes he was doing had already been done by JIm in the 40s.Just NOT on such a big kit
Terry brings thre musical and tonal aspect to these
Tim
TimWaterson 4 years ago
Good vids shadow its good to see drummers adding jazz ideas to Metal
JIM chapin teaches us this in The BLUE book.
do the same thing but accent the triplets and you'll get more of a swing feel.
Just to let everyone know how advanced JIM is he as doing this in the 40's
Tim waterson
TimWaterson 4 years ago
I was gonna get his book ,... but i keep putting it off for some reason.
shadowlorde 4 years ago
idk if youve ever seen the chris pennie (dillinger escape plan) drum solo where he plays in 5.. that blast kinda sounds similar.
quicklikeabunny666 4 years ago
I really dig that.
peanutbuddha 4 years ago
That is a good idea. Very very nice to see that people also get through it without a book. I say that because the same comping exercice is in Jack DeJohnette`s comping book, on the first page, ex. 13. Proves that those excercice aren`t sacred.
btw, check out this book, will teach you alot about those things.
Karl
DrummerKarl1991 4 years ago
i have john riley's the art of bop drumming and he does it for 1 or 2 beats worth in the comping section i just dragged it out longer. lol.
i will put that book on my list of books i have to get.
shadowlorde 4 years ago
yor a really good drummer but i think it sounds like crap
drumkitty 4 years ago
thats fine with me .. actually i came up with this screwing around. it sounds wierd and i can't think of many uses for it unless i get in some kind of jazz grind band which i don't think the genre has been invented yet. lol
shadowlorde 4 years ago
thats weird, i came up with something kinda like that but it was just a straight one two on the ride... u seem to know what your doing though, im gonna subscribe.
TheKingOfMetal 4 years ago
now thats coordination haha
metal2death 4 years ago
lol +1
Grummski 4 years ago