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Notice the size of the tank. Since it takes 5 times as much hydrogen by volume to achieve the same amount of energy density as in gasoline, you have to take 5 times as much H2 if you expect to go as far.
Switching to fuel cells will not affect the energy density of hydrogen, so virtually the same amount of it will be needed. It will actually introduce more conversion steps for the fuel and increase energy waste.
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Hydrogen is the way, when burnt it makes water, the same water that through electrolysis can be turned back into the hydrogen to burn again. It's also similar to petrol, we can tune current engines to burn it. Problem isn't the hydrogen, it's the oil companies, they would be destroyed by this and they don't want that. Plus refueling stations would need to be built for it to be feasible. Better than electric though, electric sucks and should be SCRAPPED.
first off, i just want to get off oil. it seems alternatives are hydrogen and electric. but what stops hydrogen from becoming the next oil?, a chemical fuel sold in the free market. also it seems we'll be driving in a ticking time bomb.
electric cars are just more efficient due to the fact that you waste electricity to refine hydrogen. also electric cars perform better and have less parts to break/replace. i'll have to go with electric.
@mastermind1001 I agree that we need to get off oil, but I disagree with you about electricity being the way. About driving a ticking time bomb. That is what people first said in the 20's when a person proposed a tank of gas in cars. Forward 90 years, gasoline cars are still safe and prominent. I also believe hydrogen cars are a better choice because it won't destroy all the jobs related to engines, like mechanics and what not. Also it is still an internal combustion engine so no knew learning.
@mastermind1001 I agree with your point on electric cars been more reliable and performing better, however i live in the UK, what if i wanted to drive down to france in a day like i can in a petrol/diesel car? Electric cars have a terrible range, 100 miles max at the moment? Even with fast carge batterys taking the charging time down to 30mins it takes 2 mins to refuel a car, and an engine is capable of doing 100,000's of miles, whereas batterys will need to be replaced every 5-10years.
The biggest issue with this is it has moving parts which means the pistons, crank shaft and other moving parts need to be lubricated to prevent failure, meaning a petroleum product will still be needed and will be present in the combustion chamber, so this would not be 100% clean burning.
@Symbrio your right but we're have go this way because there isn't enough fossil fuel left so instead of using it on oil, lubricating car parts and for electricity generators just use it on lubricating cars parts and minimize the use of fossil fuel consumption also in electricity generators by using wind, sea, waterfall, solar, and others because they'r trying to find other things to substitute for the stuff that only uses only fossil fuel, you don't have to worry about the earth
@Symbrio the earth is self sustaining organism we never been around since it came to existence, and if even so we don't have either manpower or technological advancement or time to keep the earth from getting destroyed but that doesn't mean we live like pigs but also i don't believe that the recent burst of rising in the earth temp. in the last 100 years is all because of the use of fossil consuming it's a bit . . . well it's not a bit it's just plain bullshit we're not that POWERFUL,
@caossio sadly, what you believe doesn't change the reality that we are releasing carbon that has been captive underground for millions of years. And we are doing it at such a rate that in 30 years all of earth's oil will be gone.
Still think we are not that powerful? millions of years of carbon, released into the atmosphere in just about 100 years.
If a scale is at equilibrium with 2 tons on each side, you don't need another ton to put it of-balance. Just a few kg (or pounds if you like).
@caossio first of by waterfall do you mean hydroelectric dam. and second you can use vegetable oil at the right concentration and mixed with chemicals to lube mechanical things too.
this engine is the answer to all of our prays . and engine that has power its friendly to our planet. i will still have the beautiful engine sound that we love bc as we all know a hydrogen combustion expands more violently than air fuel mixture , there for hydrogen engines can be more powerful. its just a master piece
it looks nice but as long as we have governments like we have today , this hydro cars will come if the very last drip of fuckin shel oil is sold .......its all aboout the biggest mistake on earth a human couild ever connect to life needs....its called money , and money should not get involved with progress on any kind of level ....cause it slows down the real progression on earth ...if money whas not a sickness , a greed itself ....we all would have used clean cars , or hydrocars . fuck govs
I am a student mastering in electronics witn a side venture in Hydrogen production and use in vehicles, the only way I have found to make a hydrogen car explode is to puncture the storage tanks ( after traveling through the body of the car), and have a simultaneous and instantaneous spark in the general lovation of said leak. Therefore rendering it plausible but not likely.
Back off boys, the future is here, hydrogen fuel is plentyful, you can brew it in your basement. BMW is way ahead of the curve on this. I'll take those keys!
what y ou are seeing for use here is compressed Hydrogen. Compressing and storing it takes a lot od equipment and is expensive. Dont expect hydrogen you run a car on to be 'brewed' in your basement.
this video sucks. and so do all other hydrogen videos. the only useful information about hydrogen is an explanation of how to cheaply and efficiently produce hydrogen. we all know how to use it...put it in a car engine. but a way to efficiently produce it will always be information well kept from the public. the big companies know this already and they arent about to make superefficient hydrogen cars which could easily be done. the government wont allow it
@driscol1818 : actually, we know how to efficiently create it...and we barely scratched the surface on efficiently using it (hydrogen + oxygen + ignition explodes for about 1/3 of a second and then actually causes a vacuum, which is why regular ICEs don't work well). The primary problem though among everything is storage of hydrogen, it dosn't liquify very well (@20K, where nitrogen is at 77K), and what we can compress isn't much volumetrically. Plus hazardous in an accident.
do you know how many idiots on these videos know nothing about hydrogen, or for that matter how gasoline is able to ignite. they all just ramble on about things in chemistry and physics that don't exist.
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Good weapon for terrorist! I think it is most stupid idea i ever see. High explosive car kkk. No one try to ride that bomber car. maybe animation303 wants who is 100% behind hydrogen bomber car!
2500 pounds of hydrogen in a tank.... very stupid!!! crash that car against a school bus and you will see how half of a city block disappear.. we do not see this as a problem until one of our own is riding in the bus. hydrogen, think again guys. that could be use for the wron purposes in the future. create for a better world tomorrow, not to destroy it. IM WORKING FOR A BETTER FUTURE!!! are you?
@sijmenjan when you make the gas using elecktrolosys it is already HHO gas. so it does not need any extra oxygen to explode as when it explodes its just changing form, back to H2O, so it doesnt need an air intake/supply. and like you said Very Explosive!.
sorry i ment Nasoncio is a retard. you think by that time people are driving there going to worry about roads freezing then the price of gas .. anyway im done
danway .. wow retard. dont you think if its that cold the road will be slippery anyway fucking motard. and who cares if theres ice you for to be an idiot to be driving like a fuck tard.. drive slower Duh.. Wow i hate dumb comments.
Only 50% of the oil consumed is consumed by personal vehicles, so even if we do fix those, we WILL inevitably run out of oil. And when that day comes, getting to work will be the least of our worries, when the grocery stores are devoid of the supplies we take for granted. We need oil for more things than we can possibly imagine, and for most of these things there is no economically viable substitute.
i don't get this vid does it mean that half the engine is running on H2 and the other half is running on gas?? and does H2 burn like gas and does it make the same noise? and still u will need oil to lubrecat the engine.
No - it can either run on regular gas mode "benzine modus" or hydrogen "H2 modus". H2 "combusts" like gas but the end product is water vapor instead of carbon dioxide - MUCH LESS noise. Oil is still required for lubrication but it's not burned and there's no pollution from it.
I have not researched the subject, but my guess would be that yes, because otherwise it would require a different engine to create the same torque to drive the car as the gas would otherwise.
Actualy this is the best engine ever. Since it's internal combustion, you can tune it like you would a normal car, but since it runs on H2, it's clean. EVEN WITH 1000HP 0 EMISSION!!! Much better than Fuel Cell Car!
Hmm... And where may I ask are you going to get compressed H2 from? Last time I checked gas stations don't sell it... Additionally, the per-liter energy content of gasoline is MUCH higher than that of hydrogen, so it would be ineffective to use as a fuel in an ICE.
at the moment, hydrogen is expensive and rare to buy at the pumps because there isnt a demand for it. as soon as more hydrogen cars are produced, there will be a demand for hydrogen at the pumps and the price will fall.
And how will you be producing it? With electrolysis, which uses electricity derived from "dirty" coal...
Not really helpful to the environment is it?
Furthermore, it is a MUCH more dangerous chemical to have in your tank, because it would have to be EXTREMELY compressed, so the slightest leak would be an enormous fire hazard, and coupled with the fact that it is an incredibly volatile element, you would need extraordinary amounts of safety precautions just to get your car through the pump.
hodrogen is the most abundent thing in the universe. its usualy stuck to some other element which is the hard part of getting it. we managed to drill oil from UNDERNEATH the sea. so are you saying that having 75 litres of bomb material, petrol, in the boot of your car is safe? we will crack it one day, just like we did with petrol.
Well, for one, gasoline in cars is under no compression whatsoever, and when hydrogen is compressed it contains much more energy than gasoline, therefore it is an extremely hazardous, fast-burning fuel, ready to EXPLODE should it leak out. And why exactly does drilling for oil make it unsafe? Additionally, tell me where there are hydrogen equivalents of oil elephant fields. They do not exist.
i didnt mean to say that drilling for oil is unsafe, i meant it was hard and so is parting hydrogen from another element. i dont know what you mean by, "elephant fields"????????
Elephant fields are enormous, easily tapped oil fields found in various places across the globe. And by enormous, I mean ENORMOUS. Just google them and you'll see. And about oil rigs, once the underwater fields have been reached, extraction is fairly cheap and simple, whereas with hydrogen, electrolysis requires 2.5 to 4 times the energy produced by the hydrogen simply to extract it. Then we get into the problem of building the facilities and services required to transport it. It doesn't add up.
then we have to make the oil into petrolium. it will happen one day, as technology advances, and be alot more efficent than the process of making petrolium.
Ok? Refining is a very energy-intensive process... The raw power yield of post-refinery oil is ENORMOUSLY greater than the input energy, and what's more it's contained in a molecule whose properties make it the PERFECT tool for 98% of transportation. And how can you make the prediction that "it will happen one day?"
"One day," the laws of economics are going to meet the laws of mechanical engineering, and guess which one will win?
mechanical engineering will win, you cant change the people who insist on driving eveywere, they could walk, but they cant be bothered, you cant make everyone walk or clycle, there will always be a unenviromental way of making a fuel. if its making petrol of hydrogen.
im saying that mechanical engineering will win over economics because there will always be people who insist on using a non-eco way of travel. there will always be a un-economical way of fuel, weather it be hydrogen or oil refining.
I didn't mean it that way, I meant that it is next-to-impossible to extract hydrogen from other materials, and to get a net energy gain as well as a monetary gain. Therefore hydrogen is NOT a plausible alternative to oil. I ask you this question: How are you going to get an 18-wheeler up the sierra nevada without oil? It can't be done.
money will be the last thing on the governments mind when the polar ice caps are gone and acid rain is killing crops and people. there will have to be a loss of money some were. i dont know what you mean by "How are you going to get an 18-wheeler up the sierra nevada without oil?"
What? Explain to me how you're going from sea levels rising a few feet to "the day after tomorrow," with acid rain eating people alive (which isn't what happens BTW) and truck engines freezing up in -100 degree weather. I'm not following the logical process here.
i never said it will be -100 degree weather. if there is too much carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, heat canot get out and everywere turns into the equator. belive me, the governments will rather loose a couple billion in research into hydrogen that all be cooked to death.
Well then why did you say the engine of the truck would seize up then? Heat doesn't stop car engines you know... Anyways, hydrogen is an implausible alternative to oil. If you're worried about producing too much CO2, then burning coal to create the electricity to create hydrogen isn't a good solution either. Hydrogen will NEVER supplant oil as our transportation resource.
Umm... Yes you do... The process of electrolysis requires an electric current to separate hydrogen from oxygen in water. When I said oil, I meant petrol. No, hydrogen will NOT supplant petrol as the resource that moves 98% of things that DO move.
then what will???. this is the best thing that has happened to the fuel industrie since petrol. battery power sucks and there is NO WAY that everyone will give in and use bicycles and start walking.
Nothing will. And actually batteries are a better idea than hydrogen because the process to create electricity for batteries is far simpler and safer than to make hydrogen. It's a bleak future, but nothing will ease the burden on oil.
There are other ways to get hydrogen. One easy and clean would be hydro wind plants, the electricity is achieved from the wind and the H2 is obvious Instead of looking at the US energy industry (witch is extremely out of date and inefficient) check the scandinavian, the hydro wind in Denmark works quite good.And your super truck would run the same way as the petrol one,just different fuel.Imagine it as a 5 of the fuel's.NOT petrol/diesel/gas/bio but Hydrogen.The idea is easy.Just open your mind.
I have opened my mind. And I have seen that hydrogen cannot be produced on a large enough scale in enough time to replace oil as the resource which moves trucks and airplanes. Our society is addicted to oil, and we can't replace it because it's so cheap and unique. Have you ever thought about just how much work we get done for such low cost? There is nothing else that will drive a car 35 miles for 4 dollars (or like 10 euros). NOTHING.
Oh, you want figures too. Well a gas engine is known to have about 15-20% ish efficiency and like 1% of that energy is just to move your body alone. Now an electric car have about 80% or more efficiency like most well designed electronics. So that is how you get that 100+ mpg equivalent for electric cars like the Tesla roadster which uses something like 135mpg worth of energy but I could be mistaken on that number.
Alright, you're right on that count. Electricity WILL plausibly move a personal vehicle. HOWEVER, batteries do not have enough energy density to move an 18 wheeler or an airplane, which is the real issue at hand.
But it is possible to make pretty much all personal transport electric. Since 90% of our commuting is within the range of batteries with the lead acid we use in our cars. Now getting into other types of batteries the range only increases. If the Eestor or the likes would ever go into production we'd have plenty of power for the long haul.
That seems implausible, but I'm going to assume we pull it off. We still have to power trucks and airplanes (not to mention all the military vehicles). How do you suggest we do that?
Thats the thing, I'm not talking about mass transport but if we start somewhere we're bound to improve and if you actually looked up the stats on the Eestor then you'd know planes and trucks would be next, however nothing is proven for it so thats speculation, I just know most people do not commute more then like 50 miles a day or something to that effect and we CAN make these cars and cheaply. Look at the EV1 which noone wanted to get rid of and were forced to give them up.
Ok, we can improve our methods of acquiring hydrogen, but we cannot improve hydrogen's physical properties. ONLY liquid hydrocarbons can move an airplane hundreds of miles an hour, generating hundreds if not THOUSANDS of horsepower. ONLY liquid hydrocarbons can move a semi loaded with 80,000 pounds of cargo essential to our survival up and down massive mountain ranges and across vast deserts.
This would therefore show your narrow mind, I'm not saying electric is the answer but a stepping stone and I guarantee we do not have the answer for our energy needs since I believe zero point energy is possible. Obviously your missing all the points anyone makes.
Ahem. It is not a narrow mindset but a REALISTIC mindset. There are no other energy sources even remotely capable of powering a truck (let alone an airplane) but electricity. There is no miracle resource we're going to discover which will fix all our energy needs. Fusion is the only solution I can foresee, and since the US govt withdrew funding for the project in the south of France, I see no end in sight for fusion research. Sometimes communtities commit ecocide, and that is what has happened.
Benzine makes up a large part of Petroleum or Gasoline. In this instance "Benzin Modus" means it is has been switched to petrol mode and the engine is running on petrol, hit the switch again and it changes to "H2 Modus" and is running on Hydrogen. This is a dual fuel engine.
Is that a 5,000 PSI tank or a 10,000 PSI tank? Either way there is no way I would ride or drive in a car with such a tank on board. If that thing goes it will take out an entire city block!
How do you expect it to refuel? I agree gasoline is unnecessary, but you need to realize that you can't have abrupt change. In Germany there are 5 Hydrogen filling stations, which means when you run low on said fuel, you'd be hard pressed to find a hydrogen filling station. Which is where gasoline comes into play. You can run on gasoline until you reach a hydrogen filling station, and as more hydrogen filling stations are built, you won't have to run on gasoline as much, if at all.
the best idea is to produce hydrogen on demand from water...
that way you just need to store electricity
or hav a conventional gas engine which starts the hydrogen production and switches off after production level (of hydrogen) is high enough to run the car...
when electrolysis gets higher in temp, it becomes more efficient-
you're obviously not getting the idea. The reason it runs on gasoline (benzin) as well is because of the vast majority of gasoline stations around the country, as compared to hydrogen stations. If you start to run low on hydrogen, and cannot find a hydrogen station you can simply switch to gasoline and run that until you find a hydrogen station.
By the way, hydrogen can be made from natural gas. The USA has an abundance of natural gas. Also hydrogen fuel cells produce electric energy. The hydrogen atom is the most abundant in the world. So why the fuck do we use oil?????????
Well, hydrogen has its problems, but if you were to use hydrogen, why the hell would you want it in an internal combustion vehicle when you could use the smoothness, and simplicity of an electric motor with fuel cells?
To produce biofuel some say you use up 50% of produced fuel, some say that you need 3 times more, due to the transportation issues. Biofuel does not run in pipes.You need more fuel to power trucks to distribute it.
Production uses vast amount of water and chemicals. Biofuel is cleaner than fossil fuel, but it production process is much more polluting.Its a utopian alternative.
System thats driven by our civilization is uncapable of changing to 100% h2 in a year thus so the fossil alternative.
the same argument you give to biofuels is applicable to H2, to produce H2 you need more energy than the energy u get from it. plus, to maintain H2 in liquid state, u need a tank to hold arounf 10K psi and -400 def F aproximately. that kindof sucks.
yes, yes i can document it, just get a quemistry book and look for properties of hydrogen , specially in liquid state. if you dont think that to maintain hydrogen in a stable liquid form is not a problem, then theres no issue.
there you go, you answred the question yourself. as far as i know ( on example of one homemade hydrogen ) they stored it in its natural state, not liquid. Still, thoes tanks an be simply made, nothing sucky bout it.
Besides, production and usage of H2 from h2o is absolutely pollution free.
H2 in gas form contains approx 1/300 th the energy that gasoline contains. you need to concentrate H2 enogh so it can containg approx the same energy density (energy/volume) of gas fot it to be an alternative to use in a gas engine. as far as a 10K PSI tank, i know it is not a problem to manufacture, but it is not safe to drive around with a tank containing a mass at 10K psi, that would be like a time bomb.
im not so deep into it. i know that people in Island France and Germany are driving thoes cars. Tehy are for sale and there are some fuel stations estamblised.
IF BMW can realise its car to the public, that says everything about safety. dont you think?
ok, dont believe popular mechanics, i bet you even have not read the article. at least read what they say and get someone you trust (engineer or chemist) and ask him or her what they think about the arguments in the article. im not against hydrogen. i just think the risks and production costs outweight the benefits.
How come Im the only one that has a problem with all of this . this car is perfact beautiful, the united state's has been at war over oil for 8 years now . the people of this country has watch oil prices climb to it's all time high .I don't want to rant just feel's scrued.
Well thing about hydrogen is that you need to use electricity to seperate it from water, so you're going to need a power plant to do that, im guessing for large quantaties of hydrogen one may use a power plant powered by fossil fuels
im just speaking theoretically, but couldn't they just make power plants powered by hydrogen,and those made by motors powered by hydrogen and on and on and on... i think its just a question a money,fucking masons.
Well if you make power plants powered by hydrogen, you're going to need to produce hydrogen to power those power plants in the first place. Unlike natural gas or oil, Hydrogen doesn't exist naturally, well it does but in small quantities and usually mixed with something else. You have to produce hydrogen, its not just already there.
Present means of production electricity are sufficient to create h2. it is also cheaper - you dont need to transport it from end of the world, you can make it.
Fossil fuels are just one alternative. Sun light, wind power and titlewave power are just few ideas of infinitive amount of energy.
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One more thing,the modern Lithium ion batteries,are more powerful,completely safe,recyclable and less pollutant than a high efficient internal combustion engine...
Hydrogen will suffer the same pricing problem as oil, just like any other commodity. So what? The difference is that hydrogen will last millenia, it produces water as a waste product, and the oil companies will lose their stranglehold. Not everyone can drill for oil, but with the right equipment anyone can separate hydrogen from water. It's the way of the future, if I had the money I would get a hydro car.
Dear Marcos13af How will we power airplanes with electricity? What about ocean ships? Electricity produced by solar or nano solar energy,in ad-hoc plants, can produce hydrogen, and hydrogen has the power to move anything -- without the use of heavy, toxic batteries. Powerful hydrogen turbines are available since the 1950s. Make a search by "Pratt & Whitney's model 304" Cheers
Hydrogen Tech. has been ready for more than half a century. Nothing new BMW. The car industry has not had the integrity to protect the planet and the population making Hydrogen tech. available. The deadly hydrocarbon technology is a great business, right?. How long will we wait? Until the destruction of the ecosystem creates also suffering in those responsible for this unacceptable delay? Let us all stop buying new cars 'till ZERO emission cars are available -- we will see a very FAST change!
Lame, electric cars are the future. Li-ions are already providing the latest line of EVs with over 200 miles and it's only matter of time before new battery tech reduce the charging to time to acceptable waits.
well there is a problem with these types of cars if that much amount of water is evaporated by a city a dramatic increase of preciption will occur. This may even flood city.
Suggest you have a look at Stanley Meyers work in this area. He has several patents on the gas generation technology. I believe he was murdered because if his technology was adopted it would ruin the oil companies.
He was able to run a dune buggy on pure hydrogen generated on board, and also other cars. By the way Patents aren't granted unless they are real and true.
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walkthroughyantram 6 months ago
Notice the size of the tank. Since it takes 5 times as much hydrogen by volume to achieve the same amount of energy density as in gasoline, you have to take 5 times as much H2 if you expect to go as far.
Switching to fuel cells will not affect the energy density of hydrogen, so virtually the same amount of it will be needed. It will actually introduce more conversion steps for the fuel and increase energy waste.
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Hydrogen is the way, when burnt it makes water, the same water that through electrolysis can be turned back into the hydrogen to burn again. It's also similar to petrol, we can tune current engines to burn it. Problem isn't the hydrogen, it's the oil companies, they would be destroyed by this and they don't want that. Plus refueling stations would need to be built for it to be feasible. Better than electric though, electric sucks and should be SCRAPPED.
princepersia1 7 months ago
first off, i just want to get off oil. it seems alternatives are hydrogen and electric. but what stops hydrogen from becoming the next oil?, a chemical fuel sold in the free market. also it seems we'll be driving in a ticking time bomb.
electric cars are just more efficient due to the fact that you waste electricity to refine hydrogen. also electric cars perform better and have less parts to break/replace. i'll have to go with electric.
mastermind1001 7 months ago
@mastermind1001 I agree that we need to get off oil, but I disagree with you about electricity being the way. About driving a ticking time bomb. That is what people first said in the 20's when a person proposed a tank of gas in cars. Forward 90 years, gasoline cars are still safe and prominent. I also believe hydrogen cars are a better choice because it won't destroy all the jobs related to engines, like mechanics and what not. Also it is still an internal combustion engine so no knew learning.
gunzkevin 6 months ago
@mastermind1001 I agree with your point on electric cars been more reliable and performing better, however i live in the UK, what if i wanted to drive down to france in a day like i can in a petrol/diesel car? Electric cars have a terrible range, 100 miles max at the moment? Even with fast carge batterys taking the charging time down to 30mins it takes 2 mins to refuel a car, and an engine is capable of doing 100,000's of miles, whereas batterys will need to be replaced every 5-10years.
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The biggest issue with this is it has moving parts which means the pistons, crank shaft and other moving parts need to be lubricated to prevent failure, meaning a petroleum product will still be needed and will be present in the combustion chamber, so this would not be 100% clean burning.
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TABAGfrancis 1 year ago
very nice, but where do you take hydrogen from? Atmosphere? The hydrogen is way up.
Water? Electrolysis needs electric energy and where will you take that electric energy from? Fosil fuels?
What am im missing here??
isrsan 1 year ago
@Symbrio your right but we're have go this way because there isn't enough fossil fuel left so instead of using it on oil, lubricating car parts and for electricity generators just use it on lubricating cars parts and minimize the use of fossil fuel consumption also in electricity generators by using wind, sea, waterfall, solar, and others because they'r trying to find other things to substitute for the stuff that only uses only fossil fuel, you don't have to worry about the earth
caossio 1 year ago
@Symbrio the earth is self sustaining organism we never been around since it came to existence, and if even so we don't have either manpower or technological advancement or time to keep the earth from getting destroyed but that doesn't mean we live like pigs but also i don't believe that the recent burst of rising in the earth temp. in the last 100 years is all because of the use of fossil consuming it's a bit . . . well it's not a bit it's just plain bullshit we're not that POWERFUL,
caossio 1 year ago
@caossio sadly, what you believe doesn't change the reality that we are releasing carbon that has been captive underground for millions of years. And we are doing it at such a rate that in 30 years all of earth's oil will be gone.
Still think we are not that powerful? millions of years of carbon, released into the atmosphere in just about 100 years.
If a scale is at equilibrium with 2 tons on each side, you don't need another ton to put it of-balance. Just a few kg (or pounds if you like).
kriptonis 1 year ago
@caossio first of by waterfall do you mean hydroelectric dam. and second you can use vegetable oil at the right concentration and mixed with chemicals to lube mechanical things too.
TheCHMoore 9 months ago
this engine is the answer to all of our prays . and engine that has power its friendly to our planet. i will still have the beautiful engine sound that we love bc as we all know a hydrogen combustion expands more violently than air fuel mixture , there for hydrogen engines can be more powerful. its just a master piece
96integra02 1 year ago 2
it looks nice but as long as we have governments like we have today , this hydro cars will come if the very last drip of fuckin shel oil is sold .......its all aboout the biggest mistake on earth a human couild ever connect to life needs....its called money , and money should not get involved with progress on any kind of level ....cause it slows down the real progression on earth ...if money whas not a sickness , a greed itself ....we all would have used clean cars , or hydrocars . fuck govs
euphoritch 1 year ago 2
thanks a lot for sharing!!!!!!!!!!!!!
domyaska 2 years ago
I am a student mastering in electronics witn a side venture in Hydrogen production and use in vehicles, the only way I have found to make a hydrogen car explode is to puncture the storage tanks ( after traveling through the body of the car), and have a simultaneous and instantaneous spark in the general lovation of said leak. Therefore rendering it plausible but not likely.
Junior0393 2 years ago
Back off boys, the future is here, hydrogen fuel is plentyful, you can brew it in your basement. BMW is way ahead of the curve on this. I'll take those keys!
jimmytube2010 2 years ago
what y ou are seeing for use here is compressed Hydrogen. Compressing and storing it takes a lot od equipment and is expensive. Dont expect hydrogen you run a car on to be 'brewed' in your basement.
lynel1985 1 year ago
this video sucks. and so do all other hydrogen videos. the only useful information about hydrogen is an explanation of how to cheaply and efficiently produce hydrogen. we all know how to use it...put it in a car engine. but a way to efficiently produce it will always be information well kept from the public. the big companies know this already and they arent about to make superefficient hydrogen cars which could easily be done. the government wont allow it
driscol1818 2 years ago 2
jews wont let us to do it... "Government" = Jews...
dartasweideris 2 years ago
@driscol1818 : actually, we know how to efficiently create it...and we barely scratched the surface on efficiently using it (hydrogen + oxygen + ignition explodes for about 1/3 of a second and then actually causes a vacuum, which is why regular ICEs don't work well). The primary problem though among everything is storage of hydrogen, it dosn't liquify very well (@20K, where nitrogen is at 77K), and what we can compress isn't much volumetrically. Plus hazardous in an accident.
sabriath 1 year ago
THANK YOU GOD!
do you know how many idiots on these videos know nothing about hydrogen, or for that matter how gasoline is able to ignite. they all just ramble on about things in chemistry and physics that don't exist.
sensaybob 2 years ago
EXACTLYB its up to people like us with common sence to shot it down when we see it
JackRABBITslim27 2 years ago
FOR ALL THOSE WHO THINK THIS IS A BOMB ARE IDOITS! An Hydrogen Bomb is the Fusion of 2 (Yes Count that 2) Hyrdogen Isotops. These Isotopes are Dence Metals ( Tritium & Deuterium). Burning Hydrogen in the form of GAS! will not cause an Nuclear Fusion Reaction. Is gas as dence as metals? NOOO!! For Chrst sake are our schools still teaching science,
JackRABBITslim27 2 years ago 3
This is the future. More reliable than electric cars. Plus way more power than electric.
Charles2337 2 years ago
indeed, and no worries about the storage of the electricity
alain001 2 years ago
Good idea but is hydrogen in liquid form stable?
jayanindia 2 years ago
Good weapon for terrorist! I think it is most stupid idea i ever see. High explosive car kkk. No one try to ride that bomber car. maybe animation303 wants who is 100% behind hydrogen bomber car!
sakcheegii 2 years ago
2500 pounds of hydrogen in a tank.... very stupid!!! crash that car against a school bus and you will see how half of a city block disappear.. we do not see this as a problem until one of our own is riding in the bus. hydrogen, think again guys. that could be use for the wron purposes in the future. create for a better world tomorrow, not to destroy it. IM WORKING FOR A BETTER FUTURE!!! are you?
futuristictech 2 years ago
I prefer this combustion, not the other hydrogen cars that are powered by electricity. electric powered cars suck!!!!
nariplan 2 years ago
I hate electric cars, but I'm 100% behind hydrogen cars.
animation303 2 years ago 22
hydrogen cars ARE electric cars
adirm18 2 years ago
Adirm, that's not true. You can get elektricity out of hydrogen, but it is also, if combined with a right amount of oxygen, VERY explosive!
sijmenjan 2 years ago 14
yes you are right
i forgot the word "most"
but still the electric hydrogen cars are better then this kind of hydrogen cars
adirm18 2 years ago
@sijmenjan when you make the gas using elecktrolosys it is already HHO gas. so it does not need any extra oxygen to explode as when it explodes its just changing form, back to H2O, so it doesnt need an air intake/supply. and like you said Very Explosive!.
TheCHMoore 9 months ago
Hydrogen is gas! Dude!
Wjeko 2 years ago
what's youre point?
it depends on the tmp and
it is kept in liquid form in the fuel tank
adirm18 2 years ago
No they are not. There is hydrogen combustion like this one, than hydrogen fuel cell.
Charles2337 2 years ago
you're a retard?
i know about the hydrogen combustion and the full cell
but in both the hydrogen is kept liquid in the tank!!!
adirm18 2 years ago
I think building a car that can run both on all hydrogen and electric alone is great.
heartlessvietboy 1 year ago
@animation303 I totally agree on that because electric cars are far worse for the enviroment.
deccno 3 months ago
why the fuck is the fueling so complex?
adirm18 2 years ago
because of the high pressures needed to store H ...
doldei 2 years ago
still.
there are easier ways to transfer high pressure matirials
adirm18 2 years ago
it's got to be fast, safe, reliable and userfriendly ... it's not that easy believe me cos i'm in auto engineering ... first year though ; )
doldei 2 years ago
because for hydrogen to be kept in liquid form it must be at (−423.17 °F/−252.87°C)
xxalmasterxx 2 years ago
sorry i ment Nasoncio is a retard. you think by that time people are driving there going to worry about roads freezing then the price of gas .. anyway im done
rambo631 2 years ago
danway .. wow retard. dont you think if its that cold the road will be slippery anyway fucking motard. and who cares if theres ice you for to be an idiot to be driving like a fuck tard.. drive slower Duh.. Wow i hate dumb comments.
rambo631 2 years ago
is hydrogen liquid or gas?
and i see a bit of a problem in theese cars....if water comes out on a cold day it will freeze the road making it dangerous!
nasoncio 2 years ago
It should be released as a vapor.
PrplPplEatr 2 years ago
Hydrogen is a gas at room temperature, then when its cooled, like most gases, it turns to a liquid.
And thats a very good point about the freezing.
danway60 2 years ago
it's gas but under compression it gets liquid
wenzelsopinion 2 years ago
(i maybe saying something very stupid but nevermind) so if its liquid under compression........when the tank is almost empty it would turn to gas?
nasoncio 2 years ago
the hydrogen is at about -253°C while being liquid. It has to be turned into a gas to be used (it's supposed to explode...)
wenzelsopinion 2 years ago
aaaaaaahhhhhhhh got ya!.......i thought it could explode anyway.......but i suppose an engine at that temperature wouldent work as well........thanx!
nasoncio 2 years ago
no problem
wenzelsopinion 2 years ago
put the tail pipe in the air
wolfgang8u 2 years ago
oh i miss my Engine Noise already ;(
ViperVenomACR 2 years ago
Only 50% of the oil consumed is consumed by personal vehicles, so even if we do fix those, we WILL inevitably run out of oil. And when that day comes, getting to work will be the least of our worries, when the grocery stores are devoid of the supplies we take for granted. We need oil for more things than we can possibly imagine, and for most of these things there is no economically viable substitute.
seinfeldfan411 2 years ago 2
i don't get this vid does it mean that half the engine is running on H2 and the other half is running on gas?? and does H2 burn like gas and does it make the same noise? and still u will need oil to lubrecat the engine.
ViperVenomACR 2 years ago
No - it can either run on regular gas mode "benzine modus" or hydrogen "H2 modus". H2 "combusts" like gas but the end product is water vapor instead of carbon dioxide - MUCH LESS noise. Oil is still required for lubrication but it's not burned and there's no pollution from it.
panther17x 2 years ago
so does H2 makes the same amount of power in the explosion in side the engine
ViperVenomACR 2 years ago
I have not researched the subject, but my guess would be that yes, because otherwise it would require a different engine to create the same torque to drive the car as the gas would otherwise.
seinfeldfan411 2 years ago
Hydrogen (H2) plus oxygen (O) = WATER???
what thing flowing in the muffler???
is that water?
is benzin not harmful to both human and in inviroment??? i saw they put benzin and mix it with hydrogen and oxygen....
i think this is better than gasoline...
kino261988 2 years ago
lol imagine car accidents with these. There'd be so much more shrapnel :)
T1000squared 2 years ago
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Totally useless. Won't sell.
seinfeldfan411 2 years ago
Actualy this is the best engine ever. Since it's internal combustion, you can tune it like you would a normal car, but since it runs on H2, it's clean. EVEN WITH 1000HP 0 EMISSION!!! Much better than Fuel Cell Car!
Symbrio 2 years ago 13
Hmm... And where may I ask are you going to get compressed H2 from? Last time I checked gas stations don't sell it... Additionally, the per-liter energy content of gasoline is MUCH higher than that of hydrogen, so it would be ineffective to use as a fuel in an ICE.
seinfeldfan411 2 years ago
at the moment, hydrogen is expensive and rare to buy at the pumps because there isnt a demand for it. as soon as more hydrogen cars are produced, there will be a demand for hydrogen at the pumps and the price will fall.
strapamotortoit 2 years ago
And how will you be producing it? With electrolysis, which uses electricity derived from "dirty" coal...
Not really helpful to the environment is it?
Furthermore, it is a MUCH more dangerous chemical to have in your tank, because it would have to be EXTREMELY compressed, so the slightest leak would be an enormous fire hazard, and coupled with the fact that it is an incredibly volatile element, you would need extraordinary amounts of safety precautions just to get your car through the pump.
seinfeldfan411 2 years ago
hodrogen is the most abundent thing in the universe. its usualy stuck to some other element which is the hard part of getting it. we managed to drill oil from UNDERNEATH the sea. so are you saying that having 75 litres of bomb material, petrol, in the boot of your car is safe? we will crack it one day, just like we did with petrol.
strapamotortoit 2 years ago
Well, for one, gasoline in cars is under no compression whatsoever, and when hydrogen is compressed it contains much more energy than gasoline, therefore it is an extremely hazardous, fast-burning fuel, ready to EXPLODE should it leak out. And why exactly does drilling for oil make it unsafe? Additionally, tell me where there are hydrogen equivalents of oil elephant fields. They do not exist.
seinfeldfan411 2 years ago
i didnt mean to say that drilling for oil is unsafe, i meant it was hard and so is parting hydrogen from another element. i dont know what you mean by, "elephant fields"????????
strapamotortoit 2 years ago
Elephant fields are enormous, easily tapped oil fields found in various places across the globe. And by enormous, I mean ENORMOUS. Just google them and you'll see. And about oil rigs, once the underwater fields have been reached, extraction is fairly cheap and simple, whereas with hydrogen, electrolysis requires 2.5 to 4 times the energy produced by the hydrogen simply to extract it. Then we get into the problem of building the facilities and services required to transport it. It doesn't add up.
seinfeldfan411 2 years ago
then we have to make the oil into petrolium. it will happen one day, as technology advances, and be alot more efficent than the process of making petrolium.
strapamotortoit 2 years ago
Ok? Refining is a very energy-intensive process... The raw power yield of post-refinery oil is ENORMOUSLY greater than the input energy, and what's more it's contained in a molecule whose properties make it the PERFECT tool for 98% of transportation. And how can you make the prediction that "it will happen one day?"
"One day," the laws of economics are going to meet the laws of mechanical engineering, and guess which one will win?
seinfeldfan411 2 years ago
mechanical engineering will win, you cant change the people who insist on driving eveywere, they could walk, but they cant be bothered, you cant make everyone walk or clycle, there will always be a unenviromental way of making a fuel. if its making petrol of hydrogen.
strapamotortoit 2 years ago
Wait...what? Please rephrase your comment. I can't understand it.
seinfeldfan411 2 years ago
im saying that mechanical engineering will win over economics because there will always be people who insist on using a non-eco way of travel. there will always be a un-economical way of fuel, weather it be hydrogen or oil refining.
strapamotortoit 2 years ago
I didn't mean it that way, I meant that it is next-to-impossible to extract hydrogen from other materials, and to get a net energy gain as well as a monetary gain. Therefore hydrogen is NOT a plausible alternative to oil. I ask you this question: How are you going to get an 18-wheeler up the sierra nevada without oil? It can't be done.
seinfeldfan411 2 years ago
money will be the last thing on the governments mind when the polar ice caps are gone and acid rain is killing crops and people. there will have to be a loss of money some were. i dont know what you mean by "How are you going to get an 18-wheeler up the sierra nevada without oil?"
of corse you cant, the engine would seise stolid.
strapamotortoit 2 years ago
What? Explain to me how you're going from sea levels rising a few feet to "the day after tomorrow," with acid rain eating people alive (which isn't what happens BTW) and truck engines freezing up in -100 degree weather. I'm not following the logical process here.
seinfeldfan411 2 years ago
i never said it will be -100 degree weather. if there is too much carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, heat canot get out and everywere turns into the equator. belive me, the governments will rather loose a couple billion in research into hydrogen that all be cooked to death.
strapamotortoit 2 years ago
Well then why did you say the engine of the truck would seize up then? Heat doesn't stop car engines you know... Anyways, hydrogen is an implausible alternative to oil. If you're worried about producing too much CO2, then burning coal to create the electricity to create hydrogen isn't a good solution either. Hydrogen will NEVER supplant oil as our transportation resource.
seinfeldfan411 2 years ago
btw, you dont make electricity to make hydrogen.
it wont be a supplament of oil as it canot lubricate. it will however be a supplament fo petrol, one day.
strapamotortoit 2 years ago
Umm... Yes you do... The process of electrolysis requires an electric current to separate hydrogen from oxygen in water. When I said oil, I meant petrol. No, hydrogen will NOT supplant petrol as the resource that moves 98% of things that DO move.
seinfeldfan411 2 years ago
then what will???. this is the best thing that has happened to the fuel industrie since petrol. battery power sucks and there is NO WAY that everyone will give in and use bicycles and start walking.
strapamotortoit 2 years ago
Nothing will. And actually batteries are a better idea than hydrogen because the process to create electricity for batteries is far simpler and safer than to make hydrogen. It's a bleak future, but nothing will ease the burden on oil.
seinfeldfan411 2 years ago
There are other ways to get hydrogen. One easy and clean would be hydro wind plants, the electricity is achieved from the wind and the H2 is obvious Instead of looking at the US energy industry (witch is extremely out of date and inefficient) check the scandinavian, the hydro wind in Denmark works quite good.And your super truck would run the same way as the petrol one,just different fuel.Imagine it as a 5 of the fuel's.NOT petrol/diesel/gas/bio but Hydrogen.The idea is easy.Just open your mind.
tiknoriumatyti 2 years ago
I have opened my mind. And I have seen that hydrogen cannot be produced on a large enough scale in enough time to replace oil as the resource which moves trucks and airplanes. Our society is addicted to oil, and we can't replace it because it's so cheap and unique. Have you ever thought about just how much work we get done for such low cost? There is nothing else that will drive a car 35 miles for 4 dollars (or like 10 euros). NOTHING.
seinfeldfan411 2 years ago
electricity? like 5 times the efficiency of gas.
nightsoul2003 2 years ago
Show me some statistics, please. Because as far as I know, electricity (in batteries) is MUCH less powerful than gas.
seinfeldfan411 2 years ago
Oh, you want figures too. Well a gas engine is known to have about 15-20% ish efficiency and like 1% of that energy is just to move your body alone. Now an electric car have about 80% or more efficiency like most well designed electronics. So that is how you get that 100+ mpg equivalent for electric cars like the Tesla roadster which uses something like 135mpg worth of energy but I could be mistaken on that number.
nightsoul2003 2 years ago
Alright, you're right on that count. Electricity WILL plausibly move a personal vehicle. HOWEVER, batteries do not have enough energy density to move an 18 wheeler or an airplane, which is the real issue at hand.
seinfeldfan411 2 years ago
But it is possible to make pretty much all personal transport electric. Since 90% of our commuting is within the range of batteries with the lead acid we use in our cars. Now getting into other types of batteries the range only increases. If the Eestor or the likes would ever go into production we'd have plenty of power for the long haul.
nightsoul2003 2 years ago
That seems implausible, but I'm going to assume we pull it off. We still have to power trucks and airplanes (not to mention all the military vehicles). How do you suggest we do that?
seinfeldfan411 2 years ago
Thats the thing, I'm not talking about mass transport but if we start somewhere we're bound to improve and if you actually looked up the stats on the Eestor then you'd know planes and trucks would be next, however nothing is proven for it so thats speculation, I just know most people do not commute more then like 50 miles a day or something to that effect and we CAN make these cars and cheaply. Look at the EV1 which noone wanted to get rid of and were forced to give them up.
nightsoul2003 2 years ago
Ok, we can improve our methods of acquiring hydrogen, but we cannot improve hydrogen's physical properties. ONLY liquid hydrocarbons can move an airplane hundreds of miles an hour, generating hundreds if not THOUSANDS of horsepower. ONLY liquid hydrocarbons can move a semi loaded with 80,000 pounds of cargo essential to our survival up and down massive mountain ranges and across vast deserts.
seinfeldfan411 2 years ago
This would therefore show your narrow mind, I'm not saying electric is the answer but a stepping stone and I guarantee we do not have the answer for our energy needs since I believe zero point energy is possible. Obviously your missing all the points anyone makes.
nightsoul2003 2 years ago
Ahem. It is not a narrow mindset but a REALISTIC mindset. There are no other energy sources even remotely capable of powering a truck (let alone an airplane) but electricity. There is no miracle resource we're going to discover which will fix all our energy needs. Fusion is the only solution I can foresee, and since the US govt withdrew funding for the project in the south of France, I see no end in sight for fusion research. Sometimes communtities commit ecocide, and that is what has happened.
seinfeldfan411 2 years ago
@Symbrio water vapor also contributes to global warming
isrsan 1 year ago
@Symbrio
Technically not, a piston engine is still only 30% efficient.
user136002 1 year ago
@Symbrio thats not a purly hydrogen powered engine, its a hybrid which uses petrol or hydrogen but you have control over the change.
TheCHMoore 9 months ago
Drive the thing already.
Anothercoilgun 2 years ago
go to the popular mechanics website and search The truth about hydrogen
pipepr76 2 years ago
Wtf, I tought this was a Hydrogen engine?!
As long as this engine can run on gasoline, I am not impressed.
RolsenRoyce 2 years ago
what's the benzine for?
yanzodadon 3 years ago
Benzine makes up a large part of Petroleum or Gasoline. In this instance "Benzin Modus" means it is has been switched to petrol mode and the engine is running on petrol, hit the switch again and it changes to "H2 Modus" and is running on Hydrogen. This is a dual fuel engine.
skooteroo 3 years ago
looks like a hydrogen hybrid, whilst waiting for the fuel cells to kick in. Would be a great idea to boost the H2 network.
ViaPiaggio 3 years ago
Is that a 5,000 PSI tank or a 10,000 PSI tank? Either way there is no way I would ride or drive in a car with such a tank on board. If that thing goes it will take out an entire city block!
ndyt 3 years ago
it is 100% H2. it can just run on gasoline too...
NIRFlux 3 years ago
How do you expect it to refuel? I agree gasoline is unnecessary, but you need to realize that you can't have abrupt change. In Germany there are 5 Hydrogen filling stations, which means when you run low on said fuel, you'd be hard pressed to find a hydrogen filling station. Which is where gasoline comes into play. You can run on gasoline until you reach a hydrogen filling station, and as more hydrogen filling stations are built, you won't have to run on gasoline as much, if at all.
smithy4067 3 years ago
the best idea is to produce hydrogen on demand from water...
that way you just need to store electricity
or hav a conventional gas engine which starts the hydrogen production and switches off after production level (of hydrogen) is high enough to run the car...
when electrolysis gets higher in temp, it becomes more efficient-
ycats1000 3 years ago
you're obviously not getting the idea. The reason it runs on gasoline (benzin) as well is because of the vast majority of gasoline stations around the country, as compared to hydrogen stations. If you start to run low on hydrogen, and cannot find a hydrogen station you can simply switch to gasoline and run that until you find a hydrogen station.
smithy4067 3 years ago
its just like air to air refueling
19BlackLord91 3 years ago
By the way, hydrogen can be made from natural gas. The USA has an abundance of natural gas. Also hydrogen fuel cells produce electric energy. The hydrogen atom is the most abundant in the world. So why the fuck do we use oil?????????
chairde 3 years ago
> The USA has an abundance of natural gas.
But we use more than we produce and import the difference.
rollswrangler 3 years ago
I think you are confusing oil with natural gas.
chairde 3 years ago
Well, hydrogen has its problems, but if you were to use hydrogen, why the hell would you want it in an internal combustion vehicle when you could use the smoothness, and simplicity of an electric motor with fuel cells?
JustPlaneNuts 3 years ago
Why do you still need fossil fuel in hydrogen tech, would'nt corn or sugercane be a perfact example of greener technology.
fuzzybliss 3 years ago
To produce biofuel some say you use up 50% of produced fuel, some say that you need 3 times more, due to the transportation issues. Biofuel does not run in pipes.You need more fuel to power trucks to distribute it.
Production uses vast amount of water and chemicals. Biofuel is cleaner than fossil fuel, but it production process is much more polluting.Its a utopian alternative.
System thats driven by our civilization is uncapable of changing to 100% h2 in a year thus so the fossil alternative.
tazmaniainc 3 years ago
the same argument you give to biofuels is applicable to H2, to produce H2 you need more energy than the energy u get from it. plus, to maintain H2 in liquid state, u need a tank to hold arounf 10K psi and -400 def F aproximately. that kindof sucks.
pipepr76 2 years ago
the difference is arguments against biofuel have been documented, yours? can you source that please?
tazmaniainc 2 years ago
yes, yes i can document it, just get a quemistry book and look for properties of hydrogen , specially in liquid state. if you dont think that to maintain hydrogen in a stable liquid form is not a problem, then theres no issue.
pipepr76 2 years ago
there you go, you answred the question yourself. as far as i know ( on example of one homemade hydrogen ) they stored it in its natural state, not liquid. Still, thoes tanks an be simply made, nothing sucky bout it.
Besides, production and usage of H2 from h2o is absolutely pollution free.
tazmaniainc 2 years ago
H2 in gas form contains approx 1/300 th the energy that gasoline contains. you need to concentrate H2 enogh so it can containg approx the same energy density (energy/volume) of gas fot it to be an alternative to use in a gas engine. as far as a 10K PSI tank, i know it is not a problem to manufacture, but it is not safe to drive around with a tank containing a mass at 10K psi, that would be like a time bomb.
pipepr76 2 years ago
im not so deep into it. i know that people in Island France and Germany are driving thoes cars. Tehy are for sale and there are some fuel stations estamblised.
IF BMW can realise its car to the public, that says everything about safety. dont you think?
tazmaniainc 2 years ago
chek the Pop Mechanics article.
pipepr76 2 years ago
Popular mechanics have an answer to everything thats suits thoes who lobby them.
I would check who that is
tazmaniainc 2 years ago
ok, dont believe popular mechanics, i bet you even have not read the article. at least read what they say and get someone you trust (engineer or chemist) and ask him or her what they think about the arguments in the article. im not against hydrogen. i just think the risks and production costs outweight the benefits.
pipepr76 2 years ago
oh gosh. i got my trust, i got my trust in my eyes
look at that car, its running and its sold, what other evidence you need?
tazmaniainc 2 years ago
you are absolutely right, what was I thinking?
pipepr76 2 years ago
BTW, just do a search on BMWs hydrogen car and look if they use H2 gas or liquid.
pipepr76 2 years ago
How come Im the only one that has a problem with all of this . this car is perfact beautiful, the united state's has been at war over oil for 8 years now . the people of this country has watch oil prices climb to it's all time high .I don't want to rant just feel's scrued.
fuzzybliss 3 years ago
Well thing about hydrogen is that you need to use electricity to seperate it from water, so you're going to need a power plant to do that, im guessing for large quantaties of hydrogen one may use a power plant powered by fossil fuels
saleri 3 years ago
im just speaking theoretically, but couldn't they just make power plants powered by hydrogen,and those made by motors powered by hydrogen and on and on and on... i think its just a question a money,fucking masons.
Whit3King 3 years ago
Well if you make power plants powered by hydrogen, you're going to need to produce hydrogen to power those power plants in the first place. Unlike natural gas or oil, Hydrogen doesn't exist naturally, well it does but in small quantities and usually mixed with something else. You have to produce hydrogen, its not just already there.
saleri 3 years ago
hum...indeed
Whit3King 3 years ago
Well, not on earth, but there's a shitload of it in the sun. Too bad we can't borrow some.
madpaintbalerx 3 years ago
Present means of production electricity are sufficient to create h2. it is also cheaper - you dont need to transport it from end of the world, you can make it.
Fossil fuels are just one alternative. Sun light, wind power and titlewave power are just few ideas of infinitive amount of energy.
there is also my favorite - memory metal engine ;]
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naaah 3 years ago
luft?
saleri 3 years ago 2
Air.
roxxas5 3 years ago
I tought of something like that but a little different.
roxxas5 3 years ago
So... they just use hydrogen in the internal combustino process? WHY THE HELL DID'NT ANYONE THINK OF THIS BEFORE??? WHAT THE HELL!
roxxas5 3 years ago 4
Why didn't you?
Regimond 3 years ago
They did. Hydrogen rotary engines have been around for decades.
astronmr20 3 years ago
Then that means I can just inject hydrogen into my car and not pay for gas.
roxxas5 3 years ago
2:44...check engine light is on lol hahaha
mariosti 3 years ago
that's because the engine isn't running
blue03r6 3 years ago 2
I just had visions of all the 'fly boys' in their Peugot Saxos and Nova's trying to retro-fit their cars to run on hydrogen :)
KA-BOOOM.
solarday 3 years ago 2
One more thing,the modern Lithium ion batteries,are more powerful,completely safe,recyclable and less pollutant than a high efficient internal combustion engine...
marcos13af 3 years ago
The problem with hydrogen will soon be the same as with oil: everyone wants it, and the prices will grow exactely like they do in oil business.
zaporator 3 years ago
Hydrogen will suffer the same pricing problem as oil, just like any other commodity. So what? The difference is that hydrogen will last millenia, it produces water as a waste product, and the oil companies will lose their stranglehold. Not everyone can drill for oil, but with the right equipment anyone can separate hydrogen from water. It's the way of the future, if I had the money I would get a hydro car.
sicklesickle 3 years ago 4
Dear Marcos13af How will we power airplanes with electricity? What about ocean ships? Electricity produced by solar or nano solar energy,in ad-hoc plants, can produce hydrogen, and hydrogen has the power to move anything -- without the use of heavy, toxic batteries. Powerful hydrogen turbines are available since the 1950s. Make a search by "Pratt & Whitney's model 304" Cheers
4aHealthyPlanet 3 years ago 2
Alcohol is the smartest solution to solve those problems,and cheaper too...
marcos13af 3 years ago
Why build Hydrogen cars?
Hydrogen Technology "disadvantages":Expensive,Complicated,inefficient and unsafe.
Electric Technology "advantages":Cheap,Easy to build,no emissions,silent and safe.
The future is Electric Cars...
marcos13af 3 years ago
It takes more emissions to make the batteries in a electric car than it does do buy and use a standard American Automobile.
streetsludge 3 years ago
Hydrogen Tech. has been ready for more than half a century. Nothing new BMW. The car industry has not had the integrity to protect the planet and the population making Hydrogen tech. available. The deadly hydrocarbon technology is a great business, right?. How long will we wait? Until the destruction of the ecosystem creates also suffering in those responsible for this unacceptable delay? Let us all stop buying new cars 'till ZERO emission cars are available -- we will see a very FAST change!
4aHealthyPlanet 3 years ago 2
Lame, electric cars are the future. Li-ions are already providing the latest line of EVs with over 200 miles and it's only matter of time before new battery tech reduce the charging to time to acceptable waits.
subach 3 years ago
That's going to be one fucking expensive gas pump.
KiloByte69 3 years ago
pktickz, I think your being a little dramatic. I personally don't think a little bit of water vapour will make any climate changes.
buddywackett 3 years ago
well there is a problem with these types of cars if that much amount of water is evaporated by a city a dramatic increase of preciption will occur. This may even flood city.
pktrickz 3 years ago
I don't think it would flood a city but it may increase levels of water vapour.
It wouldn't matter - a bit of water vapour isn't going to harm anyone. It may even help the local environment.
energyadvertiser 3 years ago
Suggest you have a look at Stanley Meyers work in this area. He has several patents on the gas generation technology. I believe he was murdered because if his technology was adopted it would ruin the oil companies.
He was able to run a dune buggy on pure hydrogen generated on board, and also other cars. By the way Patents aren't granted unless they are real and true.
pilgrim3927 3 years ago
that's not true.
Patents are granted if you follow the proper submitting procedure, that's all.
abigillygal 3 years ago