CDs are only good for portabillity and fair play they do sound good but nothing compares to vinyl records. Not a single vid on youtube can do records justice because youtube is digital and probably the camera you use is also digital so it's already been converted before it sees the light of day on youtube! People have to actually be there to appreciate the sound of vinyl and theres nothing like sitting in your favorite chair and listening to it and thats how records should be listend to.
By the way, I like the sound of Vinyl and some earlier stuff definitely 'sounds better' to my ears. Sadly this is a subjective test and the laboratory tests will shoot me down. I have to say that I do have issues with CD performance, for me it's the 'glare' that many of them exhibit (to my ears).
This debate fascinates me. We have the Vinyl lovers claiming that the medium sounds better, without any technical data to back it up beyond "CD misses the stuff between the dots". Do any of the vinyl crew know how many limitations the format is subject to? Has anyone ever heard a 20kHz signal from a TT? Do you know that after a couple of plays, it will be worn away? What about tracking error, which can only be corrected with a linear tracking system. The mono bass channel, the RIAA curve issues.
Metallica's Master Of Puppets vinyl won over the cd when it knocked over the shampoo bottles on the side of the tub and into it. and that was 2 floors below. the song The Thing That Should Not Be (i used the 45 rpm version of the album pressing)
An audio CD is based on the practical limits of 1970's technology. Although technically, digital recording has evolved way beyond the capabilities of the typical CD player, recorded music has to (unfortunately) be downgraded to 16-bit/44.1khz CD specifications in order to become accessible to most consumers. However, it is very much a compromise. Now, while (good) vinyl does not suffer these same limitations, it's still hampered by other factors. Never mind, I'll just get on with the music.
@cursedswordsman Clearly you haven't compared their respective waveforms. "Solid state" guitar amplifiers "should be" scientifically better, but the vast majority of high end guitar amplification equipment runs entirely on vacuum tube-based technology.
@cursedswordsman With vinyl you can correct a scratch, try that with a CD. I ought to upload the skipping sounds of the old Rick James and Friends CD, or the skipping track 11 of my C&C Music Factory gonna make you sweat CD I bought at Best Buy back in 1991. Not scratched once, but track 11 would skip. If vinyl has a scratch you can press down on the scratch with the record needle, sure it will make surface noise but you can play the whole track.
WOW People don't get mad, If you want Vinyl buy Vinyl if you want CD then get CD. I said Vinyl is like a softly lit Lounge room with carpet and a big sofa. The fact is I collect old 1970"s dance and most is not on CD that I want. I like vinyl and the sound and it's fun to use, with or without it's respective crackles. You know for a fact that those old recordings haven't been messed around with.
Vinyl sux ass - cd's are better in every way, the only people that would suggest vinyls are better are people who don't like being prooved wrong. That's not taking into consideration that vinyls scratch easily and soon become useless after a few plays.
Even a cassette recording from CD is better than vinyl - you are so out of touch with reality.
@Corrupt5358 please hang yourself and die. Who gives a shit about what you think? Somebody who uploads Lazy Town videos. faggot. You don't deserve to live.
Anyway, explain why a CD is better? It's more portable and allows for better spacing and simpler use, and is less likely to break. Vinyl isn't for the irresponsible music listener anyway. It's meant for the true audiophile, because it is true that it holds better sound than CD.
@BiIk0n11 Little boy please just shutup your opinions are worthless.... Google it, only a complete spac would say records beat cd, and that's not EVEN a decent turntable, im comparing 1200 quid decks to cd and they still fail. Get a clue!
@BiIk0n11 No matter what you do, a digital recording will always be an approximation of an analog waveform. Does it always make a difference? No. But you can bet it does sometimes.
A well mastered CD can sound DAMN GOOD, though in my opinion those who suggest that it can compete with vinyl have either never heard vinyl or have heard it on an awful system. A properly made vinyl record is in fact a physical representation of the actual waveform created by the original recording. It's the closest sound you're going to get to the sound of the master tape the band heard in the studio prior to release. Vinyl certainly has it's drawbacks,though sound quality is not one of them.
Our ears work "in analog" so to speak. Vinyl records work "in analog".
CD's work "in digital". A small amount of information is lost, "in translation" from D-A.
The secret is QUALITY VINYL, which is NOT FOUND on 99% of POP/ROCK/COUNTRY etc "reprints" (mass produced, & "discount recordings" . Of course some exceptions (like "Audiophile LP's).
Quality vinyl has little to NO inherent noise. If no care in PROPER CLEANING or use or OVERUSE/overweight of stylus, sours the grooves!
Pop pop crackle!!! I think oldies music sounds alot better on 78rpm vinyl records. It seems alot more genuine and sets the oldies mood alot better. I also like 1970s reggae on vinyl records like trojan records for example. 33rpm seem to have the best sound quality while it diminishes the faster they spin like on 45rpm singles it starts to sound more tinny. I would say vinyl is more about mood setting then sound quality.
What we are appreciating is the fact that vinyl engineers were forced to do a careful job, coz the medium is badly unforgiving. We are listening to more elegant compression, sweeter eq, more careful gain staging, better spectrum balance, conservative levels... In order to have a vinyl sound good one has to really nail the craft. Just take a first edition CD (before they started to re-master) of an album you have in vinyl to see what I mean.
I prefer the the increased dynamic range, the warmth, the vibe....the whole experience of collecting a record, opening it, reading the information. I even like the retro cover designs. There is something beautiful about vinyl...its greater than the sum of its parts.
Im 32 yrs old and very new to vinyl - I have just discovered it and Im blown away. I've now bought 4 records and Im going to grow my collection. I need to save up for a turntable too lol
@DIGITALSCREAMS Vinyl has a smaller dynamic range; CDs have a better inherent quality. BUT; record companies, producers, sound technicians and the bands themselves (the all too common bad ones, at least) dynamic-range-compress the fuck out of the music and push everything into the upper limits of the available range, so not only does it end up having less after it's run through production but it can end up a clipped, distorted, muddy mess. Try and pull that shit on vinyl and it's unplayable.
@MGlBlaze Your comment made me angry. Its not you, but the way of production u just summed up. It pisses me off knowing people have sex with their feces and put it in their ears to forget what something good sounds like. Thats how i describe nowadays audio production.
I would also like to point out the CD is far outdated for record albums, they should move on to releasing audio albums on Blu-Ray discs where nothing would have to be compressed or limited to just 600MB of data, on a Blu-Ray an entire song could take up 600MB or 1GB of memory without any space issues.
I have a sound system from 1999, a turntable that costs $320 and a $80 phonocartridge and even some 40 to 50 year old records I have cream CD sound quality.
CD's all the way. Now we have some dusty old audiophiles who say differently. When CD's first came out nearly 30 years ago, everyone said how great it sounded. Especially magazines in the business of testing new electronics. What is going on now is historical revisionism.
There is no definite answer... There are too many factors at play... It's not just the equipment you play the media on. For example, how good was the equipment the vinyl was cut on? One thing is for sure, digital gave a higher degree of control to engineers and it is easier to maintain than analog...
Personally, I like vinyl not because it sounds better (which is true in many cases), but I can get music on vinyl that I may never be able to get otherwise.
I remember putting my Steely Dan Aja Vinyl album against the same album only the CD version, and the vinyl sounded a whole lot better, no kidding!! The CD sounded very dull compared to the record.
I love my records. You find artist, back in the days, pulled much better albums. Now artist are just hoping to make a hit and the rest of the songs are crap.
@nigletgook I have to disagree, death magnetic is an improvement on the cd...less distortion and the drums sound a little more organic and you can listen to the album through without suffering the fatigue the cd provides.
Although I must say computerized digital records of bands don't sound so good on vinyl sometimes, take Metallica Death Magnetic, that sucks on vinyl but the CD sounds good so I dunno...
I like both i collect records and would love to walk around with a portable turntable playing my records but I just can't do that so yes I have an ipod. So I'm stuck with crap quality Mp3's but I love music so it really doesn't bother me I'm not a audio geek. I still blast my old punk metal hardcore rock vinyl all the time. CD's are just a back up I have versions of both sometimes. I like to rip my vinyl to wav files. I play CD's mainly in my car. I used to be a huge cassette geek in the 80's.
Bang for the buck, CDs usually sound better than vinyl.
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But if you have the resources to properly set up a quality analogue front end, vinyl will blow away CDs.
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Not all records sound the same. Two brand new copies will sound different. Side 1 will sound different than side 2, etc. So finding that, sometimes elusive, quality pressing, made in one country or another, will make a world of difference. Cleaning the record is a must.
I had a huge collection, then CD's, now Mp3's, I love music and love having GB's of music, but, and it's a BIG BUT, CD's are clinical and horribly packaged, Mp3's are... well nothing, absolutely nothing! LP's sound superb even on a modest system, on a HI-FI they will blow your mind. I'm now starting to re-collect my Vinyl and I haven't even got a turntable or a budget, but I would rather have 20 good LP's than 20 Gizillion GB's of MP3! ...apart from live music LP's rule!
Today I compared highest quality digital mp3 music to the same music I have a copy of on vinyl. (It was some gabber. electronic music fan here) And holy shit the difference was so great I don't think I'll ever look at the digital format file the same way ever again. The sound is just so much more pure and powerful on vinyl, it's the way music is meant to be played. If you can't hear and feel the difference, you're deaf.
yip yip, for sure its better. and I`m happy to see, that around 88-90 (in Germany) the music industry digged its own grave with the CD or digital music (see nowadays-ripping music from the net for free etc), twas ttheir own fault. they`d only see a fast profit back then.
Nowadays music is industial fast food (metapher) worth nothing.
What happen to a fast food junkie? gets fat, unhealthy, aggressive and dumb.
So now lot at generation 0-30 of age...fat, unhealthy, without values and dumb.
I`m a studio and live musician. A digital recording is always a bit flatter (make sure you do not use discount tapes for recording). Its not only what you hear but also feel. Digital cuts a lot, but its cheaper to produce/record, you dont have to be a professional and you can rip the sound from the net for free (the musical industriy`s own mistake in end 80s, idiots, now they are bankrupt-nearly-, hahaha)
I buy the vinyl for use at home and work, and burn it to CD for use in the car.... there is nothing better than VINYL!! So glad it is making a comeback!!!!
While it never went away completely, a lot of releases were CD/Cassette only thruought the 1990's and the bigger chains stopped carrying the few vinyl releases that were still available... at least in my area...
@Scotter1971 I was joking :) ..... sadly over my area too it got harder to find some vinyl records during the 90s :/ specially singles, double set or triple set albums, but hehehe, I never stopped to listen to vinyl, I had to get a couple of albums on cd because I couldn't find the vinyl release back then, in some cases it took me years of searching, or I could get the vinyl edition just in recent times thanks to the internet.
I started with vinyl in 1977 and reluctantly moved to cds because one of my favorite artists started deleting vinyl from his release schedule and there was no way I was going to spend that kind of money on cassettes (which I considered disposable). If I have the choice, I will pick up a new release on vinyl every time. Note: Tom Wait's Glitter & Doom KILLS on vinyl.
Vinyl sounds much clearer than CD if the vinyl is in perfect condition but still even if it isn't top quality or skips in some area due to being old and a little warped it still sounds better to me. Today I bought a smooth jazz release by The Rippingtons on vinyl and what a different experience than with mp3 or CD it was. I think that everyone should collect vinyl, you really start to get more of a passion for music in general and every one you own is a piece of art.
@MintVinyl Depends on what music you're listening too. I've got music from Brian Eno on Mp3 that'll make me float in the clouds.Slill got all my vinyl,but rarely play it,I find the digital medium a god's gift, an equalizer is nessecary though, to get rid of the shrill middle frequencies,and turn up the bass.
@jazzlicka it is a matter of taste, but when you listen to vinyl your way more buisy with music.
Cds sounds cold in my eyes, i agree that it is a matter of taste still vinyl is much better.
If you dont believe vinyl whas proven better, why should i believe one person called MAX BLABLAB who says cds are better? then thats bollox to, there are also interviews where it is claimed that vinyl is much better :), its al about taste and how much love you got for music.
@jazzlicka yes many times look on youtube, i dont know the guy or guys names ive seen several intervieuws actually.
yes i dont called him max blabla :) because i didnt knew him and almost dont listen to cds anyway and i wont also have some cds but sound shitty compared to my vinyl. actually im talking also from my own experience and yes taste also.
but i will read it just for fun and might learn something indeed.
vinyl is way better i dont buy cds anymore when i whas younger i did, didnt knew what i whas missing vinyl has to do with the feeling and nostaligia a cd is just a peace of plastic nothing more nothing less.
what i love of listening record (even when they are a little trashy)
is that the analog sound actually makes me feel like i'm beside the player(s)
i get really excited while playing them... and the voices (let's say Buddy Holly's) sound "real" =) i dont know how to explain it... it's really wonderful
I like vinyl more than cds. I still love cds, but to me, vinyl just has a richer sound. Maybe it's all in my head because of nostalgia or something, but I will NEVER stop listening to records...I'm listening to one right now! Kenny Rogers' Love Will Turn You Around 1982. It hit number one in america, and has sold platinum. Cds already look platinum! What's that about?!
I like vinyl more than cds. I still love cds, but to me, vinyl just has a richer sound. Maybe it's all in my head because of nostalgia or something, but I will NEVER stop listening to records...I'm listening to one right now! Kenny Rogers' Love Will Turn You Around 198. It hit number one in america, and has sold platinum. Cds already look platinum! What's that about?!
Vinyl is analogue and CD is digital, Analogue is like a light dimmer the light on then a little bit on then off. Digital is alight switch the light is on or off no in between. Cds 20 years ago had poor sampling rates compared to current technology therefore older Cds are not as pleasant to listen to as modern Cds. Then there is the speakers 18inch woofers and modern 3inch digital enhanced sound. Its all like doing 100MPH or 160KPh in a Mini and a Rolls Royce Same speed different sensations.
for people who say vinyl is better, i have 2 answer, first there was an RIAA pre emphasis curve, those stuff was made to solve the problem of uncutable low frequencies, the result is your phono amplifier do a reverse emphasis of the RIAA curve. and all the frequencie was warm during playback. second it's a full analog playing using a stylus with magnet pickup like on electric guitar, that's why the sound is lively. I also agree with the people say sometimes you can have better sound with CD.
I like vinyl, but some of the best records I have are a mix of digital and analog technology. Some were recorded and mastered digitally, then converted to analog for the lp pressing. Some others were recorded on analog tape, some as long as 50 years ago. They were remastered digitally, then converted back to analog , again, for the lp pressing. Both types sound incredibly lifelike on my turntable. I also have some pure analog lp's that sound amazing. Enoch Light , for example.
Continuing, (from below) the digital state of the art is probably better than vinyl. But all audio recording systems distort the signal. Some just distort more than others. And some types of distortion may actually sound pleasing to the listener. I'm sure vinyl is much more distorted than digital, (for the most part) but the vinyl "sound" most likely imparts a kind of distortion that sounds "good" to some people. Hence, the claim that vinyl sounds "better".
I don't think it's necessarily as black and white as some folks make it out to be. There are a lot of variables that affect the fidelity along the whole audio chain, from the mikes at the beginning, to the speakers. Also, mastering plays a huge part of what the final product will sound like. A poorly mastered digital recording will sound crappy, no matter how many bits or how high the sampling frequency.
Hey, take your ear muffs off. So what about the sampling rate? An engineer should be able to reel off figures regarding THD and amp resonance, class D operation etc. "Recording engineers" generally know jack shit IME. "Being impartial" is only required, in a sense, for location audio. Even here impartiality would result in failure. So what about sampling rates? Remember to defend your right to be called a PRO in the dark. Remember also, not a discussion about mic placement and eq.
@TheBeebopper I'm done with you. Sampling rates? In session work we use 192kHz 32 bit floating point. Mastering is 96kHz 24bit for the most part. Amplification specs are for sound reinforcement. We use Class A in studio. Class D is for live sound application. THD is an equipment spec, not relevant. You are missing something. With the proper dithering logarithm, 44.1 kHz 16 bit, transcoded from 96kHz 24 bit has the potential to exceed (and will) analog. Nice try poseur.
@stratocat9999 It doesn't matter what you record, the CD reproduction medium is so limited, 'CD standard'. Class D operation is part of the replay circuitry from a digital medium, harmonic distortion typically instigated by ringing in the liimiting or feedback loops. This is also source of compression. The hypothesis of a superior digital sound does not bear out in the real world. The Convenient Disc cannot match a moderate vinyl reproducer which has been set up correctly.
For me, EQ makes or breaks the recording, no matter what format it's on, along with compression. And how the record is cut along with the vinyl compound itself makes a difference too.
I get tired of this stupid pissing contest between vinyl addicts and digital gurus.
I'm a mastering engineer by profession and I come from a musical and audiophile background, and I'll tell you, the CD format can exceed the performance of an LP. It's a matter of who is doing the mastering and with what. When I master for CD, I use almost no processing. When I master for LP , it requires a lot of processing to stay within the limits of the media. Either can sound great. I prefer tape to both.
@stratocat9999 I am an audio technician (live and recorded) and understand your input, however my studies and experiments( with young and perfect hearing) into PCM (before the birth of CD) clearly indicated that a sampling rate in excess of 80,000/s was required to transmit a HI-FI sound. The format definition of CD precludes the use of appropriate HI-FI sampling rates. Poor mastering makes a bad job worse. Vinyl though has a long history and Hi-Fi standards are accepted as part of the medium
@TheBeebopper With respect, I'm a mastering engineer. I do this for a living. At home I still have a fine turntable, CD player and open reel tape for my leisure and serious listening sessions. I have CD's that outperform vinyl and LP's that can outperform CD's, and tape that can outperform both.
I've created analog masters for LP's as well as CD pre-masters for replication. Despite the technical theories and stats, properly mastered, I defy anyone to tell the difference between the two.
@stratocat9999 It's your job means you defend your work, you are not impartial. A good and experienced ear on a young head will prefer the accurately set up hi-fi turntable system to any CD system. It is not likely that many teenagers will hear a precisely set up vinyl system outside of a nightclub. Despite attempts to introduce CD equipment to the nightclub scene, it's the quality sound of the vinyl which continues to draw, nearly all on Technics/Stanton combinations at high spls.
@TheBeebopper That's quite insulting. I don't appreciate being analyzed as part of the subject. You are basing your point from a highly subjective methodology as opposed actual working scenario, and as such, is not credible analysis. Don't bother to respond unless you want to participate in an intelligent argument, as opposed to judgement calls about the individual making the point. Stanton carts! Really? Those are low compliance DJ carts and not suitable for reference.
@stratocat9999 There lies the problem with "engineers". They ignore what they don't want to hear, CD SAMPLING RATE IS INSUFFICIENT FOR TRUE HI-FI REPRODUCTION. Sound IS a subjective medium, each persons hearing is slightly different. It doesn't matter how much you try to analyse a reproduction format, the money lies with the punter and he wants vinyl. Which sounds better is what the punters pay for every weekend at the nightclub with mediocre vinyl setups.
@TheBeebopper Yeah right. What do the pro's know? By your logic the professionals are in the dark but you have all the answers? How many mastering sessions have you done? Have you ever produced a record or overseen a cutting session? 30 + years in it myself , but hey, what do I know? Sound is subjective for audiophiles and reviewers. For the pro, it's both art and science, and skill of application. And being impartial is absolutely necessary to succeed. You are way off.
you really can't recreate the sound of vinyl on youtube... but this does sound pretty cool. ever heard of os mutantes? kind of like a mariachi indie rock band, if you can wrap yr brain around that one.
ok...buy a CLEAN copy of "The Steve Miller Bands Greatest Hits" on record, then go buy a cd of it...Hook up an oscilloscope and track the actual frequency response....the record sounds MUCH truer than the digitized cd!! ONE thing I DO like about cd's, tho, is you can take a scratchy ol' LP, record it into your PC, then, clean it up with software & get rid of all the scratches, then burn it onto a cd & PRESTO!...a CLEAN recording of a scratched up rare record! YAAAY!
CD's lack transparency and ease. They offend my ears. Even rock LP's from the 60's sound better than their CD reissues. CD's may have more power and punch, but they don't have the musicality of vinyl.
@wrabit70 More "punch" with vinyl over CD is just impossible, no matter who says it. Inevitably, the dynamics of vinyl can be represented with 12 bits, at best, while CD had 16bit of depth. The "punch" you talk about is most problably your impression of it since most phono stage amps are eq'ed a bit more "rounded" than line inputs, giving the impression of "loudness". Then comes the frequency response and linearity of the cartridge itself... THEN the LP itself which might or not be in shape.
music aficionados say vinyl has more punch than cd...meaning that cd sounds more dryier even if it is a clear sound....today's music is recorded at high trebbled settings and high volume...that's why music sounds horrible
NO one can tell the difference between a Vinyl and a CD that I made with the same vinyl played on the same turntable played both on the very same high-end system. Not saying that the CD sounds better, just that both mediums at their best is above our hearing capabilities. In the end, if your vinyl is in good shape, it plays beautifully. Put it on CD with the properly setup equip. and you'll enjoy it like that forever. CD has the clear adv of sig. to noise ratio and its dynamics are better.
@gznubouit As a big collector of vinyl (I have about 2000 records, new and old) this may come as a shock, but I agree with you. I read all these comment about people dogging CDs, but I actually think CDs are alright. I remember when CDs actually came out and really hated them and preferred tapes or vinyl. I though they were too clear and had too much high end. But, the more that CDs got excepted the more I realized that they are a good medium, especially when you have really good equipment.
I own a Marantz CD6000OSE Limited edition doesn't even come close to my Linn Axis let alone a LP12 or better. Analogue forever for me. Remember, all digital systems are synthetic and therefore cannot transcribe the reallity of music analogue CAN!
@ninjabluewings Its not a technical fact. Also, why are you typing like a retard? Hard to take your comment seriously when you make it look like trolling.
@MuayThaiViking It IS a physical and technical fact. Vynil or any pure analogue sound does not compress or "analyse" the sound before playing it. To make you a picture, digital sound will analyse the sound wave at some points, making sort of a "stair" in the sound wave. Not the vynil. It is pure representation of the sound wave. And it has a way better depth of sound. But dont get me wrong, digital music has a lot of advantages too.
its all about front end Mint Condition Vinyl on a amstad deck would not be better than the sound from my tv. there if you got a good deck like a michell orbe planer 3 then yer maybe.
@ninjabluewings Well, yeah. Digital is inherently lossy. Analogue is not lossy. The only thing is that nowadays even analogue sourced material is transferred digitally. So where does that leave us vinyl lovers? I agree that vinyl is better than CD, but I'm not so sure about vinyl being better than blu ray audio.
@bugleboy5 Glad You Agree With Me, Yes The Digital Transfer To Vinyl Would Confuse The Situation I Think And I Feel The Nation Of Vinyl Lovers Is Being Bullied Into Using Digital Media But No Fear Coz Vinyl Is Slowly Making A Come Back Because Some DJ's Only Use Vinyl And Refuse To Be Dragged Along With Everyone Else To The Digital Age ;-) As For The Blu-Ray Issue I'm Afraid I Cannot Possibly Comment As I Have Not Heard It Yet But It's An Interesting Thought Though
It was a technical fact, but since 2 or 3 years, with the new DAC's, CD or Vinyl it's the same, and here it's not a technical but a physical fact. That's the advise of Jean-Michel Jarre. Of course, only same level/standing products must be compared. And naturally, it depends also of the quality of the conversion. So it needs a serious tests again, before speaking of troubles. It was the object, to make digital sound like analogic, and JM Jarre says it's done. i just say 4 info.
Vinyl does sound different to a CD Sound and coming from a musical family i dont think my ears are impaired yet. what is different about vinyl which most people agree is the mellow warm sound it produces im not a fan of crackles and scratched vinyl so i too like to hear my music as clear as possible. The CD has a totally different sound plus i dont like the cd format its cheap looking compared to a album 12inch single or even the old 7 inches i guess vinyl is back in demand the CD ?.
C'mon guys, lets be reasonable. It has been scientifically proven that the human ear cannot distinguish between a CD's quality and a Vinyl record's quality. Even though I love vinyls, I can accept the truth.
@kevinkm77 it's been suggested, based on studies of frequencies detected by the human hear, that we cannot hear the difference. there's a difference between suggested and proven. Also, a lot of older records, the mixes of the songs are completely different than what is being put out on CD, The Beatles are a prime example, so it may not be the sound quality in all cases, but the quality of the audio engineers.
@kevinkm77 They (and you) think it's scientifically proven. It has a way better frequency response virtually unlimited and not limited to 3db steps (for each half bit). It has no aliasing and filter, no jitter, no quantisation errors. Mid and high tones are favored on vinyl. Good thing to me about digital is efficient amplification and filtering, to me it's a very good preamp with a low noisefloor. But the technique is a lot more costly so you should compare some high end setups
my gosh the mid range frequencie of this LP is just awesome, on cd i think you cannot have that feel of warmness but when the mix of the cd was good you can have similar result, but with less warm in the mid range definition.
LOL this is hilarious. A CD can reproduce the sound of a vinyl or you can have a mixer that gives an audio source the imperfections of vinyl that you guys apparently love.
fhussain, I like your view on vinyl as being a art form. Personally I feel that the sound of a good analog recorded vinyl record might be less accurate then CD reproduction, but It's more pleasing to the ear. And that's what really important. You could compare this to a tube guitar amp VS solid state. The solid state is more accurate, but 99% of the guitar player prefer the inaccurate but warm sound of the tube amp. So it's all about the feeling it gives, and not the hard cold numbers.
Depends on the Vinyl and the CD and the player. Vinyl at it's best played back on a reference calibre record player has a realism I don't hear in CDs.
Great song and nice turntable. I've heard fantastic sound from both CDs and vinyl, but I haven't yet had the privilege of listening to an SACD or a DVD-A. To me, vinyl sounds much better than CD on most recordings, if the vinyl is in good condition. Even a relatively cheap turntable will sound better than most CD players on any system. All in all, it depends on the original recording and the mastering/remastering process. Some CD remasters sound great and some terrible. I prefer vinyl.
Don't take for granted that analog vinyl is better then digital CDs. U do know that music is recorded in digital media first and then transfered back to analog for a vinyl or to put in on a CD record there is no such conversion step taking place... Hmmm ok true there is a downconversion but still it stays in digital domain and no alteration to the sound is made (at least not as big as the analog pickup makes)
@Vittumikajatka vinyle is greter than cd only because f the grooves in the vinyl but LP damage easily and are prone to noise from any amount of dust.Vinyle degrade quicker.DVD audio is far better than cd,but for now record companies will keep using cds for music,but we have SACDs for now.Get some great speakers or headphones and expensive player,then use DVD audio dick and there will be minimal lose between vinyl and DVD
I think the main reason that some people like vinyl is because of the noise and high fidelity. It sounds more realistic than crystal clean digital audio.
That doesn't make sense as a reason, since "crystal clean" is what the master recording sounds like and what all releases of that recording should sound like. So "crystal clean" would be the most "realistic" sound, and anything that introduces distortion into that sound is necessarily less "realistic."
Amazing guitar playing. I've just ordered my copy from Amazon (CD though!) I've just resurrected my vinyl collection through my old Systemdek IIX and am thoroughly enjoying the experience. I shall be trawling the charity shops for vinyl now!
12 years ago when my mother was in her 70s, I played her some vinyl LPs and she commented that she liked the sound better than CDs. Born in 1925, she hadn't heard an LP for the past 25 years. She has NO CONCEPT of the debates about bit-rate or vinyl vs digital. She grew up with LPs and knows what sounds good just by listening. My mother isn't poisoned by the audiophile disease and I'll trust her ears over some audio pro who has ego issues, sexual addiction, and jacks-off in his darkened studio.
When Audio CD vas invented in 1979 (By Philips & Sony) it was used a "today" obsolete technology that captures 44,100 Khz of Audio Spectrum that have revolutionary on these times, years later the people and Engineers Sound discover that audio CD does not offer al audio spectrum of a Vinyl Record o analog tapes, Sony/Philips works again on the Classic Audio CD and Launch a SACD "Super Audio CD"
@josuenava SACD´s are "hybrid" can play on regular CD Players (16 bit & 44,100 Khz sound) and have other "layer" that contains data of sound "playable on SACD Players" tha offer Stereo or 5.1 Sound to 300,000 Khz, of pure clear crystal sound, the SACD titles in market have sound transferred "Directly" of Master Analogue Tapes to SACD without reducing "Resolution" (sorry have bad english)
@CollectorOfMusic WROTE ON THIS VIDEO MONTHS AGO AND STILL THINK VINYL IS HORSESHIT!!!! 2010 DIGITAL IS LIGHTYEARS AWAY FROM VINYL !!!!!!!!!!! PRO DIGITAL IS MORE ACCURATE THAN POS RECORDS!!!! YOU REPLAY TO THIS MESSAGE YOU BETTER KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU TALKING ABOUT ! I AM A AUDIO PROFESSIONAL WITH 7 YEARS EXP!!! I WILL BREAK YOU OFF !!!!!!!!!!!!!
In terms of sound quality and accuracy, digital audio is superior to analog audio(vinyl, cassettes, 8-tracks, etc.). Take it from an engineer and record collector, although it may sound different and warmer, analog quality is not better.
Although, some people's ears do not enjoy pristine sounding audio which is why they might chose vinyl which is a good choice.
@TheRimeOfIcarus There's the old saying that guns don't kill people, people kill people... I'd adapt that to say that digital doesn't kill sound, but the people who produce digital kill sound. They crank up the recording volume until there's no dynamic range left, and what's left is way louder than vinyl for sure, but the quality is destroyed. It's sad. I hope it changes. It sure doesn't have to be that way.
Yeah that's true about dynamic range. But there are a lot of older analog recordings that have been properly digitally mastered for CDs.
These days, record companies abuse the dynamic range capabilities of the CD. Instead, they should use it to their advantage for sound quality, rather than a gross paycheck.
Unfortunately, the amount of releases that are affected by the loudness war will not end. I hope it does, but it's very unlikely that it will.
@CollectorOfMusic That may be true of the old days but not anymore. Most of the music I download is 24bit 96khz and sounds really good. Most of the time is direct from the master tapes or master vinyl. PM me if you want to know where to find true HI-Fi downloads.
@CollectorOfMusic all media today is in a digital state before being recorded onto cds or vinyl. So really it should sound best it its pure form where it was born in its digital medium, OR on a cd / harddrive where all its sound is preserved.. Digital form or live is actully the purest forms in todays world. just because music is digital dosent mean its in a format like mp3 where it loses its sound.
Dont get me wrong, I love records, I own a thorens td150 :)
LainOTN is just dead wrong and a perfect example of the axiom a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Nyquists Theorem states that you can perfectly reconstruct a wave form if the sampling rate is above 2(frequency) and you have AN INFINITE SERIES OF SAMPLES. It is a mathematical statement concerning information theory and does not apply to the real world for obvious reasons. CD waveforms are not analog in any sense.
square waveform is only in cd data which is written on it ( 1 and 0 ) as in all digital devices. The sound wave which is transformated from digital data to analog output wave isn't square, and isn't totally sinus wave like on vinyl record. By listening in normal bit rate you won't feel difference, because like LainOTN had writen human ear can't hear higher freuency than 20khz so clearely. The difference you can only feel playing record in slow motion or scratching.
CD Are FAR Superior to vinyl, in terms of dynamic ratio CD just blows the Vinyl, for the sample rate 44,1 KHz is also twice as the human ear can process, and with a good DAC the sound is clearly better. Now the real problem with the CD Audio quality has nothing to do with technical data is all about the Loudness War of the record companies. Search for loudnesswar here in youtube or in google.
Vinyl is able to produce far more frequencies than a CD as a CD is digital and digital waveforms are square, meaning they will never be able to 100% replicate the actual analogue frequencies of the original recording!
Digital waveforms are NOT square, when digital samples are processed through the DAC the output waveform is actually a total EXACT representation of the analog waveform between 0HZ and 22050HZ, and when I say exact I mean EXACTLY THE SAME ANALOG WAVE, this is because the NyquistShannon thorem (1928), that says: if you want to exactly determinate a waveform you only need to sample data at 2x the frequency. The human ear can only hear till 20KHz so 44.1KHz it's enough.
CDs are only good for portabillity and fair play they do sound good but nothing compares to vinyl records. Not a single vid on youtube can do records justice because youtube is digital and probably the camera you use is also digital so it's already been converted before it sees the light of day on youtube! People have to actually be there to appreciate the sound of vinyl and theres nothing like sitting in your favorite chair and listening to it and thats how records should be listend to.
morrismagic08 1 week ago
By the way, I like the sound of Vinyl and some earlier stuff definitely 'sounds better' to my ears. Sadly this is a subjective test and the laboratory tests will shoot me down. I have to say that I do have issues with CD performance, for me it's the 'glare' that many of them exhibit (to my ears).
techno1972 3 weeks ago
This debate fascinates me. We have the Vinyl lovers claiming that the medium sounds better, without any technical data to back it up beyond "CD misses the stuff between the dots". Do any of the vinyl crew know how many limitations the format is subject to? Has anyone ever heard a 20kHz signal from a TT? Do you know that after a couple of plays, it will be worn away? What about tracking error, which can only be corrected with a linear tracking system. The mono bass channel, the RIAA curve issues.
techno1972 3 weeks ago
Metallica's Master Of Puppets vinyl won over the cd when it knocked over the shampoo bottles on the side of the tub and into it. and that was 2 floors below. the song The Thing That Should Not Be (i used the 45 rpm version of the album pressing)
PrankZabba 3 weeks ago
An audio CD is based on the practical limits of 1970's technology. Although technically, digital recording has evolved way beyond the capabilities of the typical CD player, recorded music has to (unfortunately) be downgraded to 16-bit/44.1khz CD specifications in order to become accessible to most consumers. However, it is very much a compromise. Now, while (good) vinyl does not suffer these same limitations, it's still hampered by other factors. Never mind, I'll just get on with the music.
nibiru48 3 weeks ago
If you have good gear, the CD will NEVER be a true analog of the original. Almost the same as great film cannot be equaled by digi-cams
sheltiemanva 1 month ago
If you think vinyls sound better, you are experiencing placebo. If anything, CDs are scientifically better.
cursedswordsman 1 month ago
@cursedswordsman i dont think. I know vinyl sounds better
EXTREME4YEARSTOCOME 1 month ago
@cursedswordsman Clearly you haven't compared their respective waveforms. "Solid state" guitar amplifiers "should be" scientifically better, but the vast majority of high end guitar amplification equipment runs entirely on vacuum tube-based technology.
vash1053 1 month ago
@cursedswordsman With vinyl you can correct a scratch, try that with a CD. I ought to upload the skipping sounds of the old Rick James and Friends CD, or the skipping track 11 of my C&C Music Factory gonna make you sweat CD I bought at Best Buy back in 1991. Not scratched once, but track 11 would skip. If vinyl has a scratch you can press down on the scratch with the record needle, sure it will make surface noise but you can play the whole track.
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CrystalMixing 1 month ago
vinyls have a whole different feel to them... it's a special feeling.
xbcnfujv 1 month ago
WOW People don't get mad, If you want Vinyl buy Vinyl if you want CD then get CD. I said Vinyl is like a softly lit Lounge room with carpet and a big sofa. The fact is I collect old 1970"s dance and most is not on CD that I want. I like vinyl and the sound and it's fun to use, with or without it's respective crackles. You know for a fact that those old recordings haven't been messed around with.
MintVinyl 2 months ago
Vinyl sux ass - cd's are better in every way, the only people that would suggest vinyls are better are people who don't like being prooved wrong. That's not taking into consideration that vinyls scratch easily and soon become useless after a few plays.
Even a cassette recording from CD is better than vinyl - you are so out of touch with reality.
Corrupt5358 2 months ago
@Corrupt5358 please hang yourself and die. Who gives a shit about what you think? Somebody who uploads Lazy Town videos. faggot. You don't deserve to live.
Anyway, explain why a CD is better? It's more portable and allows for better spacing and simpler use, and is less likely to break. Vinyl isn't for the irresponsible music listener anyway. It's meant for the true audiophile, because it is true that it holds better sound than CD.
BiIk0n11 2 months ago
@BiIk0n11 Get a life u retard!
Corrupt5358 1 month ago
@Corrupt5358 I have one. Please die.
BiIk0n11 1 month ago
@BiIk0n11 Little boy please just shutup your opinions are worthless.... Google it, only a complete spac would say records beat cd, and that's not EVEN a decent turntable, im comparing 1200 quid decks to cd and they still fail. Get a clue!
Corrupt5358 1 month ago
@Corrupt5358 Explain how.
BiIk0n11 1 month ago
@BiIk0n11 No matter what you do, a digital recording will always be an approximation of an analog waveform. Does it always make a difference? No. But you can bet it does sometimes.
vash1053 1 month ago
@Corrupt5358 vinyls scratch easily and become useless after a few plays?pffffhahahahaha tell that to a scratch DJ.
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@Corrupt5358 No Cassette Recording on a 1987 TDK SD audiotape hookup up from a IT cheapo USB Turntable sounds way better and has a lot more BASS.
willdav713 3 weeks ago
Vinyl is real music.
Neksotus 2 months ago
A well mastered CD can sound DAMN GOOD, though in my opinion those who suggest that it can compete with vinyl have either never heard vinyl or have heard it on an awful system. A properly made vinyl record is in fact a physical representation of the actual waveform created by the original recording. It's the closest sound you're going to get to the sound of the master tape the band heard in the studio prior to release. Vinyl certainly has it's drawbacks,though sound quality is not one of them.
djs259 2 months ago
@djs259 CORRECT!
Our ears work "in analog" so to speak. Vinyl records work "in analog".
CD's work "in digital". A small amount of information is lost, "in translation" from D-A.
The secret is QUALITY VINYL, which is NOT FOUND on 99% of POP/ROCK/COUNTRY etc "reprints" (mass produced, & "discount recordings" . Of course some exceptions (like "Audiophile LP's).
Quality vinyl has little to NO inherent noise. If no care in PROPER CLEANING or use or OVERUSE/overweight of stylus, sours the grooves!
RetroCaptain 2 months ago
Pop pop crackle!!! I think oldies music sounds alot better on 78rpm vinyl records. It seems alot more genuine and sets the oldies mood alot better. I also like 1970s reggae on vinyl records like trojan records for example. 33rpm seem to have the best sound quality while it diminishes the faster they spin like on 45rpm singles it starts to sound more tinny. I would say vinyl is more about mood setting then sound quality.
micheals1992 2 months ago
What we are appreciating is the fact that vinyl engineers were forced to do a careful job, coz the medium is badly unforgiving. We are listening to more elegant compression, sweeter eq, more careful gain staging, better spectrum balance, conservative levels... In order to have a vinyl sound good one has to really nail the craft. Just take a first edition CD (before they started to re-master) of an album you have in vinyl to see what I mean.
foketesz 2 months ago
Vinyl is more pleasing to the ears....
I prefer the the increased dynamic range, the warmth, the vibe....the whole experience of collecting a record, opening it, reading the information. I even like the retro cover designs. There is something beautiful about vinyl...its greater than the sum of its parts.
Im 32 yrs old and very new to vinyl - I have just discovered it and Im blown away. I've now bought 4 records and Im going to grow my collection. I need to save up for a turntable too lol
DIGITALSCREAMS 3 months ago
@DIGITALSCREAMS Vinyl has a smaller dynamic range; CDs have a better inherent quality. BUT; record companies, producers, sound technicians and the bands themselves (the all too common bad ones, at least) dynamic-range-compress the fuck out of the music and push everything into the upper limits of the available range, so not only does it end up having less after it's run through production but it can end up a clipped, distorted, muddy mess. Try and pull that shit on vinyl and it's unplayable.
MGlBlaze 3 months ago 4
@MGlBlaze Your comment made me angry. Its not you, but the way of production u just summed up. It pisses me off knowing people have sex with their feces and put it in their ears to forget what something good sounds like. Thats how i describe nowadays audio production.
zwareshag 2 months ago
I would also like to point out the CD is far outdated for record albums, they should move on to releasing audio albums on Blu-Ray discs where nothing would have to be compressed or limited to just 600MB of data, on a Blu-Ray an entire song could take up 600MB or 1GB of memory without any space issues.
DxBecks 3 months ago
@CanadianChronic,
I have a sound system from 1999, a turntable that costs $320 and a $80 phonocartridge and even some 40 to 50 year old records I have cream CD sound quality.
DxBecks 3 months ago
the point is, if you "rip" vinyl and put it on CD, it will sound the same as vinyl, the problem is mastering and loudness wars.
zlac 3 months ago 4
@zlac yes, that's all there is to it. Really.
foketesz 2 months ago
CD's all the way. Now we have some dusty old audiophiles who say differently. When CD's first came out nearly 30 years ago, everyone said how great it sounded. Especially magazines in the business of testing new electronics. What is going on now is historical revisionism.
itsmegp46 3 months ago
Vinyl only sounds good if its on a brand new player , with loud speakers & an expensive stereo , the needle must be in good condition aswell ..
I had to spend close to $10,000 on equiptment just so i could finally have a decent sounding record...
CanadianChronic2121 4 months ago
@CanadianChronic2121 Then you're doing it wrong.
133shane 3 months ago
@133shane
theres only 1 way to do it dumbass... lol
CanadianChronic2121 3 months ago
A well mastered CD will sound better than vynil, the problem is in the mastering stage and compression is why many CD's sound flat and shrill.
xNIPPOx 4 months ago
Having a decent DAC improves CD sound,but vinyl is still king in the end.Shame its so delicate :(
stevobath 4 months ago
Vinyl is better!
megaohmz 4 months ago
There is no definite answer... There are too many factors at play... It's not just the equipment you play the media on. For example, how good was the equipment the vinyl was cut on? One thing is for sure, digital gave a higher degree of control to engineers and it is easier to maintain than analog...
Personally, I like vinyl not because it sounds better (which is true in many cases), but I can get music on vinyl that I may never be able to get otherwise.
tolgaabaci 4 months ago
I remember putting my Steely Dan Aja Vinyl album against the same album only the CD version, and the vinyl sounded a whole lot better, no kidding!! The CD sounded very dull compared to the record.
perlewitzaudio 4 months ago
just google "are vinyls better than cds" and the first search result explains everything .. vinyls are better, fact
rhn94 5 months ago
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I love my records. You find artist, back in the days, pulled much better albums. Now artist are just hoping to make a hit and the rest of the songs are crap.
Bassmaster970 5 months ago
sorry vinyl is an improvement on the cd version
JasonHolcroft 5 months ago
@nigletgook I have to disagree, death magnetic is an improvement on the cd...less distortion and the drums sound a little more organic and you can listen to the album through without suffering the fatigue the cd provides.
JasonHolcroft 5 months ago
Although I must say computerized digital records of bands don't sound so good on vinyl sometimes, take Metallica Death Magnetic, that sucks on vinyl but the CD sounds good so I dunno...
nigletgook 5 months ago
@nigletgook i meant to say "digital recordings of bands"...
nigletgook 5 months ago
I like both i collect records and would love to walk around with a portable turntable playing my records but I just can't do that so yes I have an ipod. So I'm stuck with crap quality Mp3's but I love music so it really doesn't bother me I'm not a audio geek. I still blast my old punk metal hardcore rock vinyl all the time. CD's are just a back up I have versions of both sometimes. I like to rip my vinyl to wav files. I play CD's mainly in my car. I used to be a huge cassette geek in the 80's.
nigletgook 5 months ago
Bang for the buck, CDs usually sound better than vinyl.
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But if you have the resources to properly set up a quality analogue front end, vinyl will blow away CDs.
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Not all records sound the same. Two brand new copies will sound different. Side 1 will sound different than side 2, etc. So finding that, sometimes elusive, quality pressing, made in one country or another, will make a world of difference. Cleaning the record is a must.
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Heavy vinyl usually sucks.
MP3s are sacrilegious.
NoEgg4u 6 months ago
I had a huge collection, then CD's, now Mp3's, I love music and love having GB's of music, but, and it's a BIG BUT, CD's are clinical and horribly packaged, Mp3's are... well nothing, absolutely nothing! LP's sound superb even on a modest system, on a HI-FI they will blow your mind. I'm now starting to re-collect my Vinyl and I haven't even got a turntable or a budget, but I would rather have 20 good LP's than 20 Gizillion GB's of MP3! ...apart from live music LP's rule!
rokgrafix 6 months ago
Today I compared highest quality digital mp3 music to the same music I have a copy of on vinyl. (It was some gabber. electronic music fan here) And holy shit the difference was so great I don't think I'll ever look at the digital format file the same way ever again. The sound is just so much more pure and powerful on vinyl, it's the way music is meant to be played. If you can't hear and feel the difference, you're deaf.
squezey1 7 months ago
Fuck yeah! Cds mp3s are just for convenience
ERASER1091988 7 months ago
yip yip, for sure its better. and I`m happy to see, that around 88-90 (in Germany) the music industry digged its own grave with the CD or digital music (see nowadays-ripping music from the net for free etc), twas ttheir own fault. they`d only see a fast profit back then.
Nowadays music is industial fast food (metapher) worth nothing.
What happen to a fast food junkie? gets fat, unhealthy, aggressive and dumb.
So now lot at generation 0-30 of age...fat, unhealthy, without values and dumb.
finmarc 7 months ago
My Japanese Bob Dylan Blood On The Tracks LP sounded better than the American CD
capitolemiproducer 7 months ago
It's not about vinyl vs cd formats. Its the quality of the recordings and masterings on each respective formats that make the difference.
canitasteyou321 7 months ago
@canitasteyou321
thats not quiet right.
I`m a studio and live musician. A digital recording is always a bit flatter (make sure you do not use discount tapes for recording). Its not only what you hear but also feel. Digital cuts a lot, but its cheaper to produce/record, you dont have to be a professional and you can rip the sound from the net for free (the musical industriy`s own mistake in end 80s, idiots, now they are bankrupt-nearly-, hahaha)
finmarc 7 months ago
I buy the vinyl for use at home and work, and burn it to CD for use in the car.... there is nothing better than VINYL!! So glad it is making a comeback!!!!
Scotter1971 8 months ago
@Scotter1971 comeback?, when was it gone? :)
kainthevampireduck 7 months ago
@kainthevampireduck
While it never went away completely, a lot of releases were CD/Cassette only thruought the 1990's and the bigger chains stopped carrying the few vinyl releases that were still available... at least in my area...
Scotter1971 7 months ago
@Scotter1971 I was joking :) ..... sadly over my area too it got harder to find some vinyl records during the 90s :/ specially singles, double set or triple set albums, but hehehe, I never stopped to listen to vinyl, I had to get a couple of albums on cd because I couldn't find the vinyl release back then, in some cases it took me years of searching, or I could get the vinyl edition just in recent times thanks to the internet.
kainthevampireduck 7 months ago
cds being better then a vynil record is a cart full of piss
VYNIL LIKE A BOSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dustYCartridge 8 months ago
I started with vinyl in 1977 and reluctantly moved to cds because one of my favorite artists started deleting vinyl from his release schedule and there was no way I was going to spend that kind of money on cassettes (which I considered disposable). If I have the choice, I will pick up a new release on vinyl every time. Note: Tom Wait's Glitter & Doom KILLS on vinyl.
BognarRegis 8 months ago
Vinyl sounds much clearer than CD if the vinyl is in perfect condition but still even if it isn't top quality or skips in some area due to being old and a little warped it still sounds better to me. Today I bought a smooth jazz release by The Rippingtons on vinyl and what a different experience than with mp3 or CD it was. I think that everyone should collect vinyl, you really start to get more of a passion for music in general and every one you own is a piece of art.
squezey1 9 months ago 2
Now... feed that vinyl sound into a tube pre-amp and tube power amp, then into something like loaded horn type speakers. - Good bye CD player.
wqpeb 9 months ago 2
vinyl has soul
bilsp1337 9 months ago 23
CD's are like a BRIGHT neon lit white sterile room. Vinyl is like a softly lit Lounge room with carpet and a big sofa.
MintVinyl 9 months ago 30
@MintVinyl I really liked your comparison. That's "more right than right" :)
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@MintVinyl Depends on what music you're listening too. I've got music from Brian Eno on Mp3 that'll make me float in the clouds.Slill got all my vinyl,but rarely play it,I find the digital medium a god's gift, an equalizer is nessecary though, to get rid of the shrill middle frequencies,and turn up the bass.
PAULLONDEN 2 months ago
All a matter of taste
and what front end your using
alot of people are saying its proven vinyl is better....
BOLLOX
it is proven that digital replay has better bass and blackness (silence)
anyone thinks this is incorrect should read an interview with Max Townshend
jazzlicka 10 months ago
@jazzlicka it is a matter of taste, but when you listen to vinyl your way more buisy with music.
Cds sounds cold in my eyes, i agree that it is a matter of taste still vinyl is much better.
If you dont believe vinyl whas proven better, why should i believe one person called MAX BLABLAB who says cds are better? then thats bollox to, there are also interviews where it is claimed that vinyl is much better :), its al about taste and how much love you got for music.
TimeMachine1984 9 months ago
@TimeMachine1984 2 things firstly when was vinyl proven better?
secondly I stated it was a matter of taste
Mr.blah blah??? tells me you have no clue about vinyl replay
google the mans name , find out what he has achieved and then see his opinion......and learn something
jazzlicka 9 months ago
@jazzlicka yes many times look on youtube, i dont know the guy or guys names ive seen several intervieuws actually.
yes i dont called him max blabla :) because i didnt knew him and almost dont listen to cds anyway and i wont also have some cds but sound shitty compared to my vinyl. actually im talking also from my own experience and yes taste also.
but i will read it just for fun and might learn something indeed.
TimeMachine1984 9 months ago
vinyl is way better i dont buy cds anymore when i whas younger i did, didnt knew what i whas missing vinyl has to do with the feeling and nostaligia a cd is just a peace of plastic nothing more nothing less.
TimeMachine1984 10 months ago
cd and mp3 is shit if you listen to a vinyl you can feel the music it sounds great
Mois41 10 months ago
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Mois41 10 months ago
what i love of listening record (even when they are a little trashy)
is that the analog sound actually makes me feel like i'm beside the player(s)
i get really excited while playing them... and the voices (let's say Buddy Holly's) sound "real" =) i dont know how to explain it... it's really wonderful
you have to hear it to understand
0000song0000 10 months ago
when high and low frequences, all non-hearable, overlay, they also form tones, the human ear can hear. so mp3 IS a lossy format for your ears
Blinkwing 10 months ago
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I like vinyl more than cds. I still love cds, but to me, vinyl just has a richer sound. Maybe it's all in my head because of nostalgia or something, but I will NEVER stop listening to records...I'm listening to one right now! Kenny Rogers' Love Will Turn You Around 1982. It hit number one in america, and has sold platinum. Cds already look platinum! What's that about?!
Bobassa0903 11 months ago
I like vinyl more than cds. I still love cds, but to me, vinyl just has a richer sound. Maybe it's all in my head because of nostalgia or something, but I will NEVER stop listening to records...I'm listening to one right now! Kenny Rogers' Love Will Turn You Around 198. It hit number one in america, and has sold platinum. Cds already look platinum! What's that about?!
Bobassa0903 11 months ago 2
Vinyl is analogue and CD is digital, Analogue is like a light dimmer the light on then a little bit on then off. Digital is alight switch the light is on or off no in between. Cds 20 years ago had poor sampling rates compared to current technology therefore older Cds are not as pleasant to listen to as modern Cds. Then there is the speakers 18inch woofers and modern 3inch digital enhanced sound. Its all like doing 100MPH or 160KPh in a Mini and a Rolls Royce Same speed different sensations.
gubbadog 11 months ago
for people who say vinyl is better, i have 2 answer, first there was an RIAA pre emphasis curve, those stuff was made to solve the problem of uncutable low frequencies, the result is your phono amplifier do a reverse emphasis of the RIAA curve. and all the frequencie was warm during playback. second it's a full analog playing using a stylus with magnet pickup like on electric guitar, that's why the sound is lively. I also agree with the people say sometimes you can have better sound with CD.
Meteotrance 11 months ago 2
I like vinyl, but some of the best records I have are a mix of digital and analog technology. Some were recorded and mastered digitally, then converted to analog for the lp pressing. Some others were recorded on analog tape, some as long as 50 years ago. They were remastered digitally, then converted back to analog , again, for the lp pressing. Both types sound incredibly lifelike on my turntable. I also have some pure analog lp's that sound amazing. Enoch Light , for example.
doncirelli 11 months ago 2
Continuing, (from below) the digital state of the art is probably better than vinyl. But all audio recording systems distort the signal. Some just distort more than others. And some types of distortion may actually sound pleasing to the listener. I'm sure vinyl is much more distorted than digital, (for the most part) but the vinyl "sound" most likely imparts a kind of distortion that sounds "good" to some people. Hence, the claim that vinyl sounds "better".
doncirelli 11 months ago
I don't think it's necessarily as black and white as some folks make it out to be. There are a lot of variables that affect the fidelity along the whole audio chain, from the mikes at the beginning, to the speakers. Also, mastering plays a huge part of what the final product will sound like. A poorly mastered digital recording will sound crappy, no matter how many bits or how high the sampling frequency.
doncirelli 11 months ago
Hey, take your ear muffs off. So what about the sampling rate? An engineer should be able to reel off figures regarding THD and amp resonance, class D operation etc. "Recording engineers" generally know jack shit IME. "Being impartial" is only required, in a sense, for location audio. Even here impartiality would result in failure. So what about sampling rates? Remember to defend your right to be called a PRO in the dark. Remember also, not a discussion about mic placement and eq.
TheBeebopper 11 months ago
@TheBeebopper I'm done with you. Sampling rates? In session work we use 192kHz 32 bit floating point. Mastering is 96kHz 24bit for the most part. Amplification specs are for sound reinforcement. We use Class A in studio. Class D is for live sound application. THD is an equipment spec, not relevant. You are missing something. With the proper dithering logarithm, 44.1 kHz 16 bit, transcoded from 96kHz 24 bit has the potential to exceed (and will) analog. Nice try poseur.
stratocat9999 11 months ago
@stratocat9999 It doesn't matter what you record, the CD reproduction medium is so limited, 'CD standard'. Class D operation is part of the replay circuitry from a digital medium, harmonic distortion typically instigated by ringing in the liimiting or feedback loops. This is also source of compression. The hypothesis of a superior digital sound does not bear out in the real world. The Convenient Disc cannot match a moderate vinyl reproducer which has been set up correctly.
TheBeebopper 11 months ago
For me, EQ makes or breaks the recording, no matter what format it's on, along with compression. And how the record is cut along with the vinyl compound itself makes a difference too.
electrokinesis 11 months ago
I get tired of this stupid pissing contest between vinyl addicts and digital gurus.
I'm a mastering engineer by profession and I come from a musical and audiophile background, and I'll tell you, the CD format can exceed the performance of an LP. It's a matter of who is doing the mastering and with what. When I master for CD, I use almost no processing. When I master for LP , it requires a lot of processing to stay within the limits of the media. Either can sound great. I prefer tape to both.
stratocat9999 11 months ago
@stratocat9999 I am an audio technician (live and recorded) and understand your input, however my studies and experiments( with young and perfect hearing) into PCM (before the birth of CD) clearly indicated that a sampling rate in excess of 80,000/s was required to transmit a HI-FI sound. The format definition of CD precludes the use of appropriate HI-FI sampling rates. Poor mastering makes a bad job worse. Vinyl though has a long history and Hi-Fi standards are accepted as part of the medium
TheBeebopper 11 months ago
@TheBeebopper With respect, I'm a mastering engineer. I do this for a living. At home I still have a fine turntable, CD player and open reel tape for my leisure and serious listening sessions. I have CD's that outperform vinyl and LP's that can outperform CD's, and tape that can outperform both.
I've created analog masters for LP's as well as CD pre-masters for replication. Despite the technical theories and stats, properly mastered, I defy anyone to tell the difference between the two.
stratocat9999 11 months ago
@stratocat9999 It's your job means you defend your work, you are not impartial. A good and experienced ear on a young head will prefer the accurately set up hi-fi turntable system to any CD system. It is not likely that many teenagers will hear a precisely set up vinyl system outside of a nightclub. Despite attempts to introduce CD equipment to the nightclub scene, it's the quality sound of the vinyl which continues to draw, nearly all on Technics/Stanton combinations at high spls.
TheBeebopper 11 months ago
@TheBeebopper That's quite insulting. I don't appreciate being analyzed as part of the subject. You are basing your point from a highly subjective methodology as opposed actual working scenario, and as such, is not credible analysis. Don't bother to respond unless you want to participate in an intelligent argument, as opposed to judgement calls about the individual making the point. Stanton carts! Really? Those are low compliance DJ carts and not suitable for reference.
stratocat9999 11 months ago
@stratocat9999 There lies the problem with "engineers". They ignore what they don't want to hear, CD SAMPLING RATE IS INSUFFICIENT FOR TRUE HI-FI REPRODUCTION. Sound IS a subjective medium, each persons hearing is slightly different. It doesn't matter how much you try to analyse a reproduction format, the money lies with the punter and he wants vinyl. Which sounds better is what the punters pay for every weekend at the nightclub with mediocre vinyl setups.
TheBeebopper 11 months ago
@TheBeebopper Yeah right. What do the pro's know? By your logic the professionals are in the dark but you have all the answers? How many mastering sessions have you done? Have you ever produced a record or overseen a cutting session? 30 + years in it myself , but hey, what do I know? Sound is subjective for audiophiles and reviewers. For the pro, it's both art and science, and skill of application. And being impartial is absolutely necessary to succeed. You are way off.
stratocat9999 11 months ago
vinyl is best
TheSpeediestsnail 1 year ago
you really can't recreate the sound of vinyl on youtube... but this does sound pretty cool. ever heard of os mutantes? kind of like a mariachi indie rock band, if you can wrap yr brain around that one.
DJtelekinesis 1 year ago
I've got about 30,000 records and lately I've been playing Mastered .wav files on CD, and although I hate to say this, they sound better than Vinyl.
In the process of cutting the .wav file to Vinyl, it loses a generation in sound.
tinghaling 1 year ago
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tinghaling 1 year ago
ok...buy a CLEAN copy of "The Steve Miller Bands Greatest Hits" on record, then go buy a cd of it...Hook up an oscilloscope and track the actual frequency response....the record sounds MUCH truer than the digitized cd!! ONE thing I DO like about cd's, tho, is you can take a scratchy ol' LP, record it into your PC, then, clean it up with software & get rid of all the scratches, then burn it onto a cd & PRESTO!...a CLEAN recording of a scratched up rare record! YAAAY!
seatboi 1 year ago
CD's lack transparency and ease. They offend my ears. Even rock LP's from the 60's sound better than their CD reissues. CD's may have more power and punch, but they don't have the musicality of vinyl.
49kasey 1 year ago
ive started to collect vinyls and they are so much better. its like one piece of history is yours and noone else has that piece
pedro911212 1 year ago
It all depends on the quality of the mastering and pressing.
You're more likely to find better quality in releases that are less pop-related.
Karlfalcon 1 year ago
OOH That smell.!!!
Notis58 1 year ago
@wrabit70 More "punch" with vinyl over CD is just impossible, no matter who says it. Inevitably, the dynamics of vinyl can be represented with 12 bits, at best, while CD had 16bit of depth. The "punch" you talk about is most problably your impression of it since most phono stage amps are eq'ed a bit more "rounded" than line inputs, giving the impression of "loudness". Then comes the frequency response and linearity of the cartridge itself... THEN the LP itself which might or not be in shape.
gznubouit 1 year ago
music aficionados say vinyl has more punch than cd...meaning that cd sounds more dryier even if it is a clear sound....today's music is recorded at high trebbled settings and high volume...that's why music sounds horrible
wrabit79 1 year ago
NO one can tell the difference between a Vinyl and a CD that I made with the same vinyl played on the same turntable played both on the very same high-end system. Not saying that the CD sounds better, just that both mediums at their best is above our hearing capabilities. In the end, if your vinyl is in good shape, it plays beautifully. Put it on CD with the properly setup equip. and you'll enjoy it like that forever. CD has the clear adv of sig. to noise ratio and its dynamics are better.
gznubouit 1 year ago
@gznubouit As a big collector of vinyl (I have about 2000 records, new and old) this may come as a shock, but I agree with you. I read all these comment about people dogging CDs, but I actually think CDs are alright. I remember when CDs actually came out and really hated them and preferred tapes or vinyl. I though they were too clear and had too much high end. But, the more that CDs got excepted the more I realized that they are a good medium, especially when you have really good equipment.
fatcatbuzz 1 year ago
I own a Marantz CD6000OSE Limited edition doesn't even come close to my Linn Axis let alone a LP12 or better. Analogue forever for me. Remember, all digital systems are synthetic and therefore cannot transcribe the reallity of music analogue CAN!
angelodagnolo 1 year ago
ok screw CD's...
But do vinyl's sound better than WAV or FLAC files?
drionshk 1 year ago
Mint Condition Vinyl Is Far Better Than CD And It's A Technical Fact Also. Anyone Who Disagrees Obviously Has Hearing Trouble Or Is Deranged
ninjabluewings 1 year ago 45
@ninjabluewings - I agree that vinyl tends to sound superior, but that is a subjective opinion and not a technical fact...
THEmotownboy 1 year ago
@ninjabluewings Its not a technical fact. Also, why are you typing like a retard? Hard to take your comment seriously when you make it look like trolling.
MuayThaiViking 1 year ago
@MuayThaiViking Here's One For You Dick Head Shut The Fuck Up
ninjabluewings 1 year ago
@ninjabluewings Sorry i dont understand what you are trying to say. Reply when you have learned how to type :)
MuayThaiViking 1 year ago
@MuayThaiViking It IS a physical and technical fact. Vynil or any pure analogue sound does not compress or "analyse" the sound before playing it. To make you a picture, digital sound will analyse the sound wave at some points, making sort of a "stair" in the sound wave. Not the vynil. It is pure representation of the sound wave. And it has a way better depth of sound. But dont get me wrong, digital music has a lot of advantages too.
CharlesJobinQc 1 year ago
@ninjabluewings Not exactly. The mids on vinyl don't sound too great, expecially with most cheap cartridges. Most notably on guitars and vocals.
electrokinesis 11 months ago
@ninjabluewings Technical Fact ????
its all about front end Mint Condition Vinyl on a amstad deck would not be better than the sound from my tv. there if you got a good deck like a michell orbe planer 3 then yer maybe.
sixstringrock 8 months ago
@ninjabluewings Well, yeah. Digital is inherently lossy. Analogue is not lossy. The only thing is that nowadays even analogue sourced material is transferred digitally. So where does that leave us vinyl lovers? I agree that vinyl is better than CD, but I'm not so sure about vinyl being better than blu ray audio.
bugleboy5 7 months ago
@bugleboy5 Glad You Agree With Me, Yes The Digital Transfer To Vinyl Would Confuse The Situation I Think And I Feel The Nation Of Vinyl Lovers Is Being Bullied Into Using Digital Media But No Fear Coz Vinyl Is Slowly Making A Come Back Because Some DJ's Only Use Vinyl And Refuse To Be Dragged Along With Everyone Else To The Digital Age ;-) As For The Blu-Ray Issue I'm Afraid I Cannot Possibly Comment As I Have Not Heard It Yet But It's An Interesting Thought Though
ninjabluewings 7 months ago
@ninjabluewings dON'T yOU gET tIRED oF cAPITALIZING eVERY sINGLE wORD yOU tYPE?
rocketempire 5 months ago
@rocketempire thats what CAPS LOCK is for! :) lol
stevobath 4 months ago
@ninjabluewings
It was a technical fact, but since 2 or 3 years, with the new DAC's, CD or Vinyl it's the same, and here it's not a technical but a physical fact. That's the advise of Jean-Michel Jarre. Of course, only same level/standing products must be compared. And naturally, it depends also of the quality of the conversion. So it needs a serious tests again, before speaking of troubles. It was the object, to make digital sound like analogic, and JM Jarre says it's done. i just say 4 info.
omnivorace 5 months ago
Vinyl does sound different to a CD Sound and coming from a musical family i dont think my ears are impaired yet. what is different about vinyl which most people agree is the mellow warm sound it produces im not a fan of crackles and scratched vinyl so i too like to hear my music as clear as possible. The CD has a totally different sound plus i dont like the cd format its cheap looking compared to a album 12inch single or even the old 7 inches i guess vinyl is back in demand the CD ?.
anddz 1 year ago
C'mon guys, lets be reasonable. It has been scientifically proven that the human ear cannot distinguish between a CD's quality and a Vinyl record's quality. Even though I love vinyls, I can accept the truth.
kevinkm77 1 year ago
@kevinkm77 it's been suggested, based on studies of frequencies detected by the human hear, that we cannot hear the difference. there's a difference between suggested and proven. Also, a lot of older records, the mixes of the songs are completely different than what is being put out on CD, The Beatles are a prime example, so it may not be the sound quality in all cases, but the quality of the audio engineers.
nmycon 1 year ago
@kevinkm77 They (and you) think it's scientifically proven. It has a way better frequency response virtually unlimited and not limited to 3db steps (for each half bit). It has no aliasing and filter, no jitter, no quantisation errors. Mid and high tones are favored on vinyl. Good thing to me about digital is efficient amplification and filtering, to me it's a very good preamp with a low noisefloor. But the technique is a lot more costly so you should compare some high end setups
spikkel70 1 year ago
my gosh the mid range frequencie of this LP is just awesome, on cd i think you cannot have that feel of warmness but when the mix of the cd was good you can have similar result, but with less warm in the mid range definition.
Meteotrance 1 year ago
LOL this is hilarious. A CD can reproduce the sound of a vinyl or you can have a mixer that gives an audio source the imperfections of vinyl that you guys apparently love.
darkNiGHTS0 1 year ago
VINYL ALL THE WAY!!!!
mckfchicken 1 year ago 37
fhussain, I like your view on vinyl as being a art form. Personally I feel that the sound of a good analog recorded vinyl record might be less accurate then CD reproduction, but It's more pleasing to the ear. And that's what really important. You could compare this to a tube guitar amp VS solid state. The solid state is more accurate, but 99% of the guitar player prefer the inaccurate but warm sound of the tube amp. So it's all about the feeling it gives, and not the hard cold numbers.
MacXpert74 1 year ago
Depends on the Vinyl and the CD and the player. Vinyl at it's best played back on a reference calibre record player has a realism I don't hear in CDs.
sweetsweatyfeet 1 year ago
Vinal I find has a warmer sound, like tubes vs solidstate
forbearsake 1 year ago
Great song and nice turntable. I've heard fantastic sound from both CDs and vinyl, but I haven't yet had the privilege of listening to an SACD or a DVD-A. To me, vinyl sounds much better than CD on most recordings, if the vinyl is in good condition. Even a relatively cheap turntable will sound better than most CD players on any system. All in all, it depends on the original recording and the mastering/remastering process. Some CD remasters sound great and some terrible. I prefer vinyl.
revokdaryl1 1 year ago 2
Don't take for granted that analog vinyl is better then digital CDs. U do know that music is recorded in digital media first and then transfered back to analog for a vinyl or to put in on a CD record there is no such conversion step taking place... Hmmm ok true there is a downconversion but still it stays in digital domain and no alteration to the sound is made (at least not as big as the analog pickup makes)
TilenKow 1 year ago
Vinyl > CD
Vittumikajatka 1 year ago
@Vittumikajatka vinyle is greter than cd only because f the grooves in the vinyl but LP damage easily and are prone to noise from any amount of dust.Vinyle degrade quicker.DVD audio is far better than cd,but for now record companies will keep using cds for music,but we have SACDs for now.Get some great speakers or headphones and expensive player,then use DVD audio dick and there will be minimal lose between vinyl and DVD
Keepskatin 1 year ago
analog sound is better you hear every sharpness of the soundwave. digital "flattens" it and takes away a tiny bit of the sound
farerse 1 year ago
coño!!!! que bueno!!!!... prefiero el vinyl, no importa que me llamen viejo jejejeje
jgimenez50 1 year ago
I think the main reason that some people like vinyl is because of the noise and high fidelity. It sounds more realistic than crystal clean digital audio.
jrylands 1 year ago
That doesn't make sense as a reason, since "crystal clean" is what the master recording sounds like and what all releases of that recording should sound like. So "crystal clean" would be the most "realistic" sound, and anything that introduces distortion into that sound is necessarily less "realistic."
courdabedum 1 year ago
Amazing guitar playing. I've just ordered my copy from Amazon (CD though!) I've just resurrected my vinyl collection through my old Systemdek IIX and am thoroughly enjoying the experience. I shall be trawling the charity shops for vinyl now!
flashaaahaaah 1 year ago
12 years ago when my mother was in her 70s, I played her some vinyl LPs and she commented that she liked the sound better than CDs. Born in 1925, she hadn't heard an LP for the past 25 years. She has NO CONCEPT of the debates about bit-rate or vinyl vs digital. She grew up with LPs and knows what sounds good just by listening. My mother isn't poisoned by the audiophile disease and I'll trust her ears over some audio pro who has ego issues, sexual addiction, and jacks-off in his darkened studio.
Entropy56 1 year ago
@Entropy56 WTF?
SuperTongpo 1 year ago
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Entropy56 1 year ago
When Audio CD vas invented in 1979 (By Philips & Sony) it was used a "today" obsolete technology that captures 44,100 Khz of Audio Spectrum that have revolutionary on these times, years later the people and Engineers Sound discover that audio CD does not offer al audio spectrum of a Vinyl Record o analog tapes, Sony/Philips works again on the Classic Audio CD and Launch a SACD "Super Audio CD"
josuenava 1 year ago
@josuenava SACD´s are "hybrid" can play on regular CD Players (16 bit & 44,100 Khz sound) and have other "layer" that contains data of sound "playable on SACD Players" tha offer Stereo or 5.1 Sound to 300,000 Khz, of pure clear crystal sound, the SACD titles in market have sound transferred "Directly" of Master Analogue Tapes to SACD without reducing "Resolution" (sorry have bad english)
josuenava 1 year ago
vinyl is the way to go...love it
Deeeeds 1 year ago
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CollectorOfMusic 1 year ago 35
@CollectorOfMusic WROTE ON THIS VIDEO MONTHS AGO AND STILL THINK VINYL IS HORSESHIT!!!! 2010 DIGITAL IS LIGHTYEARS AWAY FROM VINYL !!!!!!!!!!! PRO DIGITAL IS MORE ACCURATE THAN POS RECORDS!!!! YOU REPLAY TO THIS MESSAGE YOU BETTER KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU TALKING ABOUT ! I AM A AUDIO PROFESSIONAL WITH 7 YEARS EXP!!! I WILL BREAK YOU OFF !!!!!!!!!!!!!
jimg0007 1 year ago
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CollectorOfMusic 1 year ago
@CollectorOfMusic
Hahaha. Sorry.
In terms of sound quality and accuracy, digital audio is superior to analog audio(vinyl, cassettes, 8-tracks, etc.). Take it from an engineer and record collector, although it may sound different and warmer, analog quality is not better.
Although, some people's ears do not enjoy pristine sounding audio which is why they might chose vinyl which is a good choice.
TheRimeOfIcarus 1 year ago
@TheRimeOfIcarus There's the old saying that guns don't kill people, people kill people... I'd adapt that to say that digital doesn't kill sound, but the people who produce digital kill sound. They crank up the recording volume until there's no dynamic range left, and what's left is way louder than vinyl for sure, but the quality is destroyed. It's sad. I hope it changes. It sure doesn't have to be that way.
janus303 1 year ago
@janus303
Yeah that's true about dynamic range. But there are a lot of older analog recordings that have been properly digitally mastered for CDs.
These days, record companies abuse the dynamic range capabilities of the CD. Instead, they should use it to their advantage for sound quality, rather than a gross paycheck.
Unfortunately, the amount of releases that are affected by the loudness war will not end. I hope it does, but it's very unlikely that it will.
TheRimeOfIcarus 1 year ago
@CollectorOfMusic That may be true of the old days but not anymore. Most of the music I download is 24bit 96khz and sounds really good. Most of the time is direct from the master tapes or master vinyl. PM me if you want to know where to find true HI-Fi downloads.
cdnaudiophile 1 year ago
@CollectorOfMusic CDs are not that bad, they ha ve nothing compared to downloads.
Gywhard 1 year ago
@CollectorOfMusic i dont know whats more ridiculous the fact that you said that or the fact that 31 people gave you a thumbs up !!!!!!!
jimg0007 1 year ago
@CollectorOfMusic all media today is in a digital state before being recorded onto cds or vinyl. So really it should sound best it its pure form where it was born in its digital medium, OR on a cd / harddrive where all its sound is preserved.. Digital form or live is actully the purest forms in todays world. just because music is digital dosent mean its in a format like mp3 where it loses its sound.
Dont get me wrong, I love records, I own a thorens td150 :)
snelpiller 1 year ago
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CollectorOfMusic 1 year ago
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CollectorOfMusic 1 year ago
This guy played with Al DiMeola a few times, amazing stuff.
Whist75 1 year ago
LainOTN is just dead wrong and a perfect example of the axiom a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Nyquists Theorem states that you can perfectly reconstruct a wave form if the sampling rate is above 2(frequency) and you have AN INFINITE SERIES OF SAMPLES. It is a mathematical statement concerning information theory and does not apply to the real world for obvious reasons. CD waveforms are not analog in any sense.
wlrogers2 1 year ago 2
square waveform is only in cd data which is written on it ( 1 and 0 ) as in all digital devices. The sound wave which is transformated from digital data to analog output wave isn't square, and isn't totally sinus wave like on vinyl record. By listening in normal bit rate you won't feel difference, because like LainOTN had writen human ear can't hear higher freuency than 20khz so clearely. The difference you can only feel playing record in slow motion or scratching.
dspicked 1 year ago
it can be but if the master tapes deteorate, then you have to find vinyl
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
CD Are FAR Superior to vinyl, in terms of dynamic ratio CD just blows the Vinyl, for the sample rate 44,1 KHz is also twice as the human ear can process, and with a good DAC the sound is clearly better. Now the real problem with the CD Audio quality has nothing to do with technical data is all about the Loudness War of the record companies. Search for loudnesswar here in youtube or in google.
LainOTN 1 year ago
Vinyl is able to produce far more frequencies than a CD as a CD is digital and digital waveforms are square, meaning they will never be able to 100% replicate the actual analogue frequencies of the original recording!
spikeman14 1 year ago
Digital waveforms are NOT square, when digital samples are processed through the DAC the output waveform is actually a total EXACT representation of the analog waveform between 0HZ and 22050HZ, and when I say exact I mean EXACTLY THE SAME ANALOG WAVE, this is because the NyquistShannon thorem (1928), that says: if you want to exactly determinate a waveform you only need to sample data at 2x the frequency. The human ear can only hear till 20KHz so 44.1KHz it's enough.
LainOTN 1 year ago
Digital waveforms are square moron! they have two states (on and off) hence it being square! You are stupid!
spikeman14 1 year ago
Wow, your arguments are so detailed and explain a lot of things, you are right in everything.
CD audio digital waveforms are sampled with 16bits no 1bit, that means 65536 posible values for each sample
BTW: I have a master in computer science. You can teach me nothing.
PS: Vinyl sounds great but CD are close to the original sound.
LainOTN 1 year ago