It’s not the British People that aren’t to be trusted it’s the British Government. Look for a film called ‘Innocence Betrayed – A History of Gun Cotnrol.’ Then understand the true meaning of the US 2nd Amendment: ‘A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of A FREE STATE, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.’ In other words, an armed society will never be oppressed by its government.
The British people were duped into thinking that the Zionist-controlled and puppet government would protect them, when in reality what they wanted was to DISARM the people. Now Britons are vulnerable to anything.
when the US government banned alcohol, they did so because they thought it would stop crime. it did not, it in fact lead to a huge crime surge. this is the same.
when the US government banned alcohol, they did so because they thought it would stop crime. it did not, it in fact lead to a huge crime surge. this is the same.
Notice, the cop at the beginning is wearing a bullet proof vest. Officer at 3:08 is what the world needs more of. "I feel at present I cannot give the public service they demand and expect." This is a real police officer, not some puffed up, power hungry fatty who pepper sprays women and feels he is above the law and that because he has a badge he's somehow better than the average citizen.
We are being forced to accept the importation of populations who live by violence to replace us - if this is the case we should at least be able to defend our own for the time the British have left before we are a hated minority in our own land. The right to bear arms is essential (politics aside), a person should be able to defend themselves, thier family, others. Our old values where people lived as a community & settled disputes with talk or fists then a handshake is sadly a quaint memory.
The UK's gun laws worked while a tiny minority of White criminals threatened thier own and the majority lived apart from all this, with mass immigration & the breakdown of traditional values (no community, less family, no religion, no work ethic, drugs etc. etc.) violence has spread and taken new forms, while the blade or cudgel is more common guns are now available to just the people who should not have them.
I've known people to be shot & threatened by blacks with guns.. I've seen them showing off guns - the UK is not as safe as people claim & although people don't like to admit this, it IS a racial issue. There is crime in all communities but the posturing & posing of black youth in particular transitions to irresponsible gun use all too easily (Pakistanis etc. are almost as bad though more sophisticated in thier crimes - the rape gangs for example).
Your country, our motherland has lost its God given right to protect yourself. Stand up for youselfs already. You can walk around your city streets getting drunk... buy all the cronic seeds you want but own a gun and your a criminal.
Thats one of the reason that I am glad that we rebelled against the queen, but I feel bad for all of the historic weapons that have been destroyed due to some of Englands gun laws..
As for gun control . . You have gun control in the US . . The government have the real hardware . . and the people have the pea-shooters.
In the UK you can get hold of a gun if you really want one.
I'm just glad my neighbour doesn't have one (although he might) . . but then I suppose if he had one, I could buy one . . . and so on and so forth . . . all sounds very stressful and unnecessary.
All this talk of black market guns, i live in the uk and find it hard to believe on that scale,yes i know some gangs are armed.But hundreds of guns a month?. A question is this goverment hype or is there a market as the video shows for that type of weapon aks etc.
@357jock Think of the thousands,hundreds of thousands of gun,s that went walkabout when the old Warsaw pact dissolved,anyone who subscribed to them was supplied with arms aplenty.Every thirld world country replicated all the designs,many versions of the AK produced by loads of countries.The army lose them,police lose them too.No brainer really.
@WillShakespeare2007 it is pretty easy becouse i got it without a licence becouse my brother had 2 so he game me one. i dont know if he had a licence for it or not
@traceradam - Well in my home city of 1 million people there was one shooting last year. I have never ever seen a gun in the U.K.
I am aware that some people can get them but obviously very few and they are hardly ever used. But the Mac 10 is an example of a weapon brought over from the U.S. and so proves their gun laws are effecting every country on earth. If they had the same laws it would also reduce gun crime everywhere else.
@traceradam do you have any idea how complicated it is to turn a blank firing pistol back into a real one? it is easier to make your own out of plumbing materials and scraps than that
@lockbreak12 there is a certain "blank gun" witch you can buy online from a certain contorty and the barrels are not blocked they are made out of steel so its a simple as putting a 9mm into it no modfaction they sell for £90
@WillShakespeare2007 A Mac-10 in the US costs at least $3,000. If we do get it, it has to be registered, we have to be finger printed and extensively background checked, as well as waiting months for the paper work to go through the system.Virtually no violent crimes have been committed with legally owned automatic firearms in the U.S. I know of 2 happening since 1934, one by a police officer. Blaming the US for black market firearms is absurd. Generic "Blame the US for our problems." argument.
@LifeisGood762 - If the guns are legally sold in the U.S. and then end up on the black market then who do you suggest I blame? Are you aware that there are 650 gun shops along the boarder with Mexico that a fueling the gun deaths there and the U.S. government does nothing about it. The U.S. has to take responsibility for the weapons the manufacture and where they end up. Why should people get killed all around the world because the U.S. has no control over its weapons.
@WillShakespeare2007 There are no Mac-10s being bought on the US market, then sold to crimminals. It would be pointless, as you can get an illegal gun for a fraction of the price you would buy the legal Mac. Are YOU aware that the US government knowingly let over 1000 guns cross the border into the hands of the cartels and did nothing to stop it? Is this the organization you want controlling guns?
@LifeisGood762 - My point is that all those guns start off legal. They are legally produced in the USA. If they were not making them then they would not exist to be bought either legally or illegally. And yes I am aware that the U.S. did that and that the U.S. allows hundreds of gun shops on the boarder also. This is my point about Americans gun policy causing gun deaths across the globe.
Im a 21 year old male, and I have future plans to move out into a housing association flat (I.E an ex council flat, housing project to you yanks) I have no criminal record other than an expired speeding fine but would police be likely to grant me an FAC? And if the housing association wouldnt allow fitting of a gun safe, is it possible I could come to an agreement with the local police station to store my gun and ammo for me? And then I can collect it when I want to go to the shooting club?
FACs in the UK are granted on the basis of what you want a gun for and on your character. Some police forces are more hardarse than others (typically the Met), but as long as you comply with their requirements, housing association flats won't affect their decision to grant.
America supports your right to bear arms!!! I sound like a red neck but its true lol I'm more likely to get robbed at gun point in England than in New York. Thats saying something. Not to mention how drastically more home invasions (with occupants currently in the home) there are in the UK.
"I'm more likely to get robbed at gun point in England than in New York. Thats saying something."
Not true. You are extremely unlikely to be robbed at gunpoint in either places. The only thing it "says" is that you are ignorant of the realities of gun crime, both in New York and in England.
@billburns2 no im not, that's fact. I mean sure I'm counting an entire country against one city but England is small as fuck so it's some what fare lol
@billburns2 look i read that shit somewhere and I'm not gonna waste my time figuring out where. I'm not in to this whole youtube debate team bullshit. Find your own cites lazy fuck.
@billburns2 Really, because NYC has PROHIBITIVE FIREARM LAWS. Their firearm laws in NYC are very similar in practice to the UK's as NYC's virtually prohibitve law abiding from owning a pistol and they prohibit law abiding subjects in London. Let's take where I live for example where break-ins, where robbery, rape, and homicide are all virtually non-existent while our firearm laws are LAX compared to either NYC or London.
@MrGta12367 Well, it may take some time where you live but it is their intent to eventually replace your way of life with theirs. Hence, the reference to cancer.
@themainproblem they are not a cancer but i do belive that the ones that already are here sould not be chucked out of the country but the peopel who want to enter are country should fuck off the ones that want to enter are the pakis black cunts but the ones who are already here have a right to stay
@giftedkidrules what does the riots have to do with gun control? When did I say I do no care about people dieing in riots? Murder with guns in England is one of lowest in Europe. Because people find it hard to get guns. Thats what im going by, meaning people are finding it hard to get guns. gun control is working. Swiss only has 6 mill people, everyone has a gun because of the military system. There is obviously less poverty and people are raised better. Also helps having a smaller population.
@mrmilleniumproof i can't say for the rest of the uk but knife crime is quite bad where i'm from, if you go to newport for a night out you got to be careful what you say cause they won't think twice to stab you or bottle you or just beat the shit out of you, even with a heavy police presence.
gun crime has increased in the UK as the amount of issued shotgun and sect 1 firearm certificates has decreased and the laws have become more strict. this suggests that gun control is a f***ing joke and it does not work
The police think its all bad because they always look to the negative; '3-400 round a minute on a crowded environment...this is deadly.' Who said anything about shooting people. All we want to do is target practice and keeping those fucking foxes off our lawn. Then again the police are very trigger happy these days!
@mrmilleniumproof For the same reason you would wear a bullet proof vest.
And they are not always carrying those vests. Don't forget that knifes are still legal, and you DON'T want to get stabbed with a kitchen knife. If you do, please post a video.
Don't try to patronize me because you have no better knowledge about UK than I do- Have you even been there before? I replied to your question in a civil manner but if you refuse to behave I will just assume you're a child.
@mrmilleniumproof I take it you are just misinformed and not just plain retarded.
It's a stab vest. It doesn't do much against bullets because high speed impacts are not the same as "ice pick" or "slash" wounds. Just like a regular bullet proof vest won't stop most stabs. Because since guns are "controlled", kids carry knives to pretend they are cool.
I HAVE HAD ENOUGH, IN THE UNITED KINGDOM WE HAVE LOST THE RIGHT TO DEFEND OURSELVES, OUR FRIENDS AND OUR FAMILIES .
LIKE MANY OF YOU MY DREAM IS TO HELP THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED KINGDOM WIN OUR RIGHTS BACK. IF YOU BELIEVE THAT AS A COMMUNITY WE CAN REGAIN THE RIGHT TO DEFEND OURSELVES, SUBSCRIBE TO MY CHANNEL AND SOON I WILL UPLOAD A PETITION FOR US TO SIGN. ONCE I GAIN ENOUGH SUPPORT I WILL SEND THIS TO THE HOME OFFICE AND ASK THEM TO RETHINK ABOUT THEIR POLICY ON FIREARMS.
@notrickroll becuase you are lucky even in the usa or russia thats uncommon and in the uk at least crime was always low even when you could get machine guns
@notrickroll Fucking logical fallacy. In my country guns are not bad and I never had a gun pointed at me.
On the other hand, I had knives pointed at me, and even got shanked once. Unfortunately, there are not concealed carry permits so I couldn't pull a legal gun from under my jacket and spit some legal jacketed hollow point bullets into the scum of society.
Had a camera right behind me, didn't do shit to clean the community. Self defence law would.
I am a US Citizen that lived in Italy and the UK. You have to remember that everything they know about Americans and Guns is from what the see or hear in our action movies and music. I witnessed more crime, drugs, and violence over there than here and there police forces are horribly less interested in personal rights or protections of their citizens. But their Media and Governments have been pushing the "American Gun Nuts" ideal to support their agendas for decades. Just my personal experience
Once some rapper who was probably high as fuck didn't stop when the police told him too, he almost ran over an officer, and got shot. Since he was part of a racial minority, huge media coverage out of nowhere.
He was shot with a rubber slug, what caused his death was a sub-consequent car crash. He was an ex-con and probably touched more guns than I did. Basically, police officers are only interested in your safety if they know they can get away with it.
@CanDoSeabee1 The problem is that I am not really sure if it was "MC Snake" the victim. The links are not in English, but from what I had searched the tox screen did not accuse drugs or alcohol, and friends say he was not carrying any weapon.
Basically, if that was entirely true he would not have tried to run from the police. They were 7 or 8, and one tried to shoot the tires, I can't find if the hit that made him crash was rubber or lead.
@CanDoSeabee1 What happened was that the law did not contemplate that kind of event and the victim was not a suspect of any crime, so the police officer did not make a "righteous" self-defence. The cop almost got charged with murder but it was later "downgraded" to involuntary homicide.
The case was probably hushed because the links are a little old.
The UN, the EU have repeatedly shown the UK to be more violent than the US.
The UK figures don't include any crimes where the victim is under 15.
The UK figures have been repeatedly questioned (by folks in the UK) for being white-washed.
Rape is so rarely prosecuted and even more rarely is a conviction obtained that there are serious questions about whether or not 50% of all rapes are even reported
all you guys who think we cant have guns in uk we can by signing for a FAC (Fire Arms Certificate) you will be legally able to buy a gun for use on a range...
I asked for the statistics for gun crime from 1969 to 2009 from the Home Office, which they provided for me. The figures show a massive increase in firearms offences in the last 40 years. There were 717 offences with guns recorded by police in 1969. By 2009, that figure had increased to 9,865 crimes.
That's an increase of more than 1,270 percent in just 40 years. For a copy of the FOI request letter that I received from the Home Office, send me a message with your email address.
I think you've missed the point. People like you told us that we would have a safer society if guns were banned. You said that gun crime would plummet. An increase of 1,446 percent shows that you lied to us.
which gun ban do you mean? and in 1969 how many people had air rifles and imitation weapons, which make up 50% of the gun crime today. How many gun murders where there in 1969?
@mufc4527 There have been several gun bans since 1969, semi-auto rifles were banned in 1988, and handguns in 1997. My opinion is that you know fuck all about guns and are simply scared of them. Can you name 4 different calibres of handgun bullets and put them in order from least to most powerful ? Have you ever even fired a gun ?
why don't you fill out a load of paper work? join a gun club for a couple of months and then you could own a gun, why exactly do you need a specific type of gun?
@mufc4527 Because different guns are used for different purposes. If someone could train you up and teach you to use a gun safely and confidently would that change your opinion ? You cannot ban something simply because you are scared of it or don't understand it. Training people to use guns responsibly is thet key here.
@mufc4527 I am a veteran of the Iraq War (US Air Force) and am well used to being around guns. I am now a civilian. I recently bought a gun for the first time last week. Part of the reason I did this was to spite people like you who claim law abiding citizens can't be trusted. Your side always tries to stereotype gun owners as paranoid nut jobs but if it is you who do not feel safe living near someone who owns a weapon then you are the one who is paranoid.
@warhawkjah It's only in the UK that people see gun owners as freaks/nutters.Strangely they become converts when they find an intruder in their homes late at night or come home to find they have been burgled and think to themselves that they could have been in when it happened.With increasing use of drugs in the UK comes increasing violent crime.Dealers can only protect themselves/drugs with firearms and users go to any extent to get money for drugs.The police provide no protection to the public
@silver760 The left wing media has brainwashed them. They want to live in a world as it should be, you know where everyone is good, as in a fantasy world. Utopia's only exist in their minds, not in reality.
@silver760 Try Australia and Japan too.This blighted country isnt the only gun paranoid nation out there.Also France ban military calibre weapons and ammo too,from what ive heard.
@mufc4527 I don't really care if people own guns, as long as they don'y use them to threaten or harm others. People should have the right to own guns to protect themselves from anyone that wants to cause them harm. What type of weapon a criminal uses to commit that harm is irrelevant.
@gentlegee1976 Well said. It's amazing that people don't understand the facts. Law abiding citizens don't go around shooting people. Criminals do. ...and you're right. Criminals will always find a way to harm the innocent. Knives, bats pipes and even their bare hands. Guns don't kill people, criminals do.
@mufc4527 The US has more than 80 million gun owners and around 15,000 murders each year. Lets say for the sake of argument that all of these murders are being carried out by legal gun owners. That means that each year around 0.018 percent of gun owners use their guns to kill. Does that justify disarming the other 99.98 percent of gun owners who use their weapons responsibly ?
How do you work that one out ? Semi-automatic rifles were banned in 1988, handguns in 1997. In 1980, the only weapons that civilians could not legally own were fully automatic machine guns . Are you scared of guns by any chance and do you know anything about them ? It seems to me that the problem might not be one of guns, but rather one of you being unable to deal with your irrational fears.
Every government that wishes to own it's people forbid citizens from owning weapons. It has nothing to do with safety. I feel for the UK. They should issue every citizen a simi-auto ar15 or ak and watch the criminals squirm away. Nobody wants to go into a house if they know someone is in there waiting to shoot them.
I lold when they gave every household a gun kn Kennesaw GA and crime rate - not firearm homicide- dropped 90%? something like that. I'm not worried about specifics. look it up for yourself
Please do me a favour. Explain how gun control works in Great Britain without referring to any other country or even mentioning another country. Concentrate your argument on the UK and the UK alone.
The use of firearms in violent crime has risen almost yearly since since 1980.
The true test of gun control lies not with what's happening 3,000 miles away, but with what's happening on our own dorrstep. Consider this - Gun related crimes (excluding air weapons) increased from 1,525 offences in 1980 to around 10,330 crimes in 2004.
That's an increase of more than 570 percent in just 24 years.
These figures were provided to me following a request to the Home Office
@Corporatism The homicide rate in the US is relatively high because the high availability of firearms means they're used in most murder attempts, and since firearms are more efficient and destructive weapons, more of those murders are successful. Guns still don't motivate the crimes and banning guns wouldn’t take away the motivations people have to commit crimes. It's a non-solution. There are 2 guns in the US for every 3 citizens, so if guns motivated crime we'd all be dead.
@Snipe4261 - We could make a direct comparison between the US and the UK. That’s how many anti-gun activists try to win debates. But how many of these people know that the murder rate in the US has dropped by 48 percent and overall violent crime by 40 percent since 1991, despite the fact that gun sales have increased and gun laws have become more relaxed during this time ?
@gentlegee1976 Put it this way we arent allowed guns in the UK and the Murder rate is way lower than America and even though the murder rate has lowered in America its still VERY high compared to most countries ,look at how many ghettos there are in America with gangs armed to there teeth and that are no go areas for police UK police dont even need to carry guns.
@Corporatism The overall homicide rate and even the gun homicide rate are not relevant unless you want to ban guns on the basis that they’re more destructive than other types of weapons. It's not relevant because firearms are tools and don't themselves motivate crimes. People will still attempt to murder one another at the same rate regardless of the availability of firearms. Besides,1 in 10,000 firearms in the US is used in a homicide annually, why should 10,000 lose a right because of 1?
@Snipe4261 The USA murder rate is higher than the UK so tell me how Gun control hasn't worked? In the US (population c. 298.5m) there were an estimated 16,137 homicides in 2004 (FBI, 2006a) – a rate of about 5.4 per 100,000. Of these, 10,654 were carried out with guns (FBI, 2006b).
@Snipe4261 Because im proving a point that the USA has a high murder rate its always around 4.0 or 5.0 per 100,000 and thats 4 or 5 times higher than the UK and MOST murders in America come from the Gun.Heres a little fact for you - "There has been an 11 per cent fall in gun crime since 2005 and provisional figures for firearm offences recorded by the police show they account for 0.2 per cent of all recorded crime" - British Home office in 2010
If what you say is true, why has the US murder rate dropped by 51 percent since 1991, because gun sales have increased and gun laws have become more relaxed. And if tight gun laws lead to lower rates of gun violence, why has crime involving handguns increased by 780 percent since 1980. (Home Office Statistics). Surely as we tighten our gun laws, gun violence should come down. With our laws, we should have the lowest rate of gun violence ever recorded.
@gentlegee1976 Why do you link murder rate to gun ownership going up? Many things can contribute to the rise and fall of murder rate like better policing and even the economy i mean right now the UK murder rate is at its lowest in 12 years.Only 6% of criminal Homicides in the UK are from a gun...... and Gun homicides in England and Wales are at 0.10 per 100,000 population compared, for example, with 0.69 in Canada, 0.93 in Switzerland and 3.52 in the USA (data compiled from WHO)
So even though gun violence has increased in the UK every time gun laws have been tightened, as long as its stays lower than a country that's thousands of miles away we can called it a success ? You have mentioned the US a lot, why haven't you mentioned Ciudad Jurarez in Mexico, where gun laws are very strict (even stricter than ours) yet gun violence has reached levels that have NEVER been seen in any US city, ever.
@gentlegee1976 Ciudad Juarez is RIGHT on the US boarder and is obviously and battle ground for Drug cartels the Gun crime there has nothing to do with Gun control its ALL to do with criminal gangs from the US and Mexico smuggling Drugs so thats a stupid comparison
@TheGameBWS09 So if gun control works (as you claim it does) why are the Mexican drug cartels so heavily armed ? You cannot carry a gun in public in Mexico, but the cartel members do. You cannot own a fully automatic weapon in Mexico, or own more than 2 guns at any one time, but the cartel members do. You can claim that guns are smuggled into Mexico from the US, but you need permission and a licence from the Mexican Authorites to do so. Why is gun control not working in Mexico ?
@gentlegee1976 Because there is no one to enforce the law,the police in mexico have lost control of certain areas and its due to the fact the drug cartels are making so much money and are becoming so powerful the police simply just cant deal with it and also there is plenty of corruption with the drug cartels using that drug money to bribe local police and government officials.
@TheGameBWS09 - So why are the drug cartels ignoring the law ? I'll tell you why, gun control doesn't work because criminals don't obey laws. How would you enforce the law, anyway ? Are you going to violate people's right to proivacy by searching every car, house and person in Mexico ? There is no way at all to stop bad guys carrying and using weapons without turning the country into a Japanese style police state. Do you want to live like that ?
@gentlegee1976 Now look at Japan there law says "No-one shall possess a fire-arm or fire-arms or a sword or swords" and there Gun crime in amongst the LOWEST in the world ,Gun ownership in Japan is minuscule, and so is gun crime
@TheGameBWS09 - You do know that Japan is a police state, don't you ? After you are arrested, you may be detained without bail for up to 28 days before being put before a judge. Even after the 28 day period is completed, rearrest may occur while you are still being held at the police station on the first charge, meaning they can hold you for another 30 days without charge. Some defendants may be held for several months without ever being brought before a judge. Fancy living like that ?
@gentlegee1976 You're avoiding the facts,the facts are that in countries like the UK and Japan gun crime is extremely low,and in America the country with the least amount of gun control they have the highest gun related injuries in the world.and high gun violence...Also a study by the UN says that "Firearms are used in this threatening capacity 4 to 6 times more than firearms used as a means of protection in fighting crime" ....Gun control works its been proven in countries all around the world
@TheGameBWS09 It's not valid in any way to compare 1 country to another. The murder rate in the UK was lower than the US before the ban and it didn't go down after the ban. No country has lowered murder rates with gun laws. Comparing the US & UK only shows the UK has lower murder rates. It doesn't give us any reason why. Florida has more oranges & more violence than the UK. Does this mean oranges cause crime? No. Because we haven't isolated a variable & can't establish cause & effect.
@TheGameBWS09 " - Motor vehicles are responsible for many deaths in America with around 43,000 accidental deaths each year, compared to around 700 from gun misuse. On another note, you clearly support gun laws, but have so far failed to explain how tightening gun laws will reduce the murder rate of a particular country. I mean, how will gun laws protect us from people that don't obey the law ?
@gentlegee1976 Because the people who dont obey the law dont have guns because they are tightly regulated yes a few get through but on the most part in the criminal world guns are hard to come by and the ones that are around are expensive because they are so valuable.-"Most of the 42 gun-related deaths last year took place in London, the West Midlands, Manchester or Merseyside, with swathes of the country recording no homicides, suicides or accidental deaths from firearms." - From 2009
@TheGameBWS09 OK, so explain the massive increase in handgun crime over the past 20 + years. There were 620 crimes with handguns recorded by police in 1980. By 2002, that figure had increased to 5,549. .
That's an increase of more than 790 percent in just 22 years. And what's a "gun murder" anyway. How does that differ from any other type of murder. If someone is beaten to death is that less serious in your opinion ?
@gentlegee1976 But in 1980 guns were still basically illegal in the UK,also all crime has increased in the past 20 years so gun crime is bound to increase aswell.Now tell me how everyone being able to own a gun would stop the very little gun crime there is? and if gun crime is so out of control why is there still no need for our police to carry guns? and why isnt the UK just a 3rd world lawless country with armed gangs roaming the streets?
@TheGameBWS09 In 1980 there was no such thing asArmed Response Units,as there was no need to form them,as gun crime was very low,as there was little immigration happening,no human rights rubbish(Allowing those crafty foreign criminals to play our system&do -gooders telling us not slap about scumbags:-),fewer benefit scroungers too.Gun crime for London in 1991,was 127 recorded incidents,which was low.In 1980 guns were never illegal as you've claimed,as licenses existed for them then&nowdays too
@Corporatism Weaker? Not really. You actually don't need to be a deer hunter to get an 8mm. You can get anything like a .22 .243 .303 7.62mm or whatever if you obtain a Section after becoming a member of a gun club, which usually takes six months. Technically rifles are more dangerous than shotguns, since they are deadly at much longer ranges than buck-shot. Shotguns are only effective to about 30-40 yards at best.
I laugh whenever someone brings up the state of crime in the UK as an argument in favor of gun control because it means they don't actually know what the state of crime is in the UK. Disarming the victms doesn't prevent crime.
@paulspydar It's not impossible to reduce the rof and I bet it's actually better to conserve ammo and make the gun more controllable. It's not like 7.62x39 is that cheap to smuggle into the UK.
Or the gun was never messed with, he just doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.
Imagine you have 2 cities, both with 1.5 million residents. These cities are 450 miles apart, but in different countries. One of these cities has virtually no gun laws and the other has tougher laws that the UK. (These cities are real places, by the way.)
Whic h one had 3000 murders last year, and which one had 125 murders ?
@gentlegee1976 the one with out guns has the highest as the criminals are armed yet the city with people armed will have the 125 as people can defend themselves
He calls them dangerous like these guns are wild animals or something.
ihaterabbits696 20 hours ago
It’s not the British People that aren’t to be trusted it’s the British Government. Look for a film called ‘Innocence Betrayed – A History of Gun Cotnrol.’ Then understand the true meaning of the US 2nd Amendment: ‘A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of A FREE STATE, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.’ In other words, an armed society will never be oppressed by its government.
crutley2 3 days ago
i just want a shootgun for shoting moving targets so much crap to get a license i gust got a air gun insted
asiq1987 4 days ago
The British people were duped into thinking that the Zionist-controlled and puppet government would protect them, when in reality what they wanted was to DISARM the people. Now Britons are vulnerable to anything.
Argiz1 1 week ago
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when the US government banned alcohol, they did so because they thought it would stop crime. it did not, it in fact lead to a huge crime surge. this is the same.
Morganistalking 1 week ago
when the US government banned alcohol, they did so because they thought it would stop crime. it did not, it in fact lead to a huge crime surge. this is the same.
Morganistalking 1 week ago
Notice, the cop at the beginning is wearing a bullet proof vest. Officer at 3:08 is what the world needs more of. "I feel at present I cannot give the public service they demand and expect." This is a real police officer, not some puffed up, power hungry fatty who pepper sprays women and feels he is above the law and that because he has a badge he's somehow better than the average citizen.
LifeisGood762 1 week ago
We are being forced to accept the importation of populations who live by violence to replace us - if this is the case we should at least be able to defend our own for the time the British have left before we are a hated minority in our own land. The right to bear arms is essential (politics aside), a person should be able to defend themselves, thier family, others. Our old values where people lived as a community & settled disputes with talk or fists then a handshake is sadly a quaint memory.
andy7666 1 week ago
The UK's gun laws worked while a tiny minority of White criminals threatened thier own and the majority lived apart from all this, with mass immigration & the breakdown of traditional values (no community, less family, no religion, no work ethic, drugs etc. etc.) violence has spread and taken new forms, while the blade or cudgel is more common guns are now available to just the people who should not have them.
andy7666 1 week ago
I've known people to be shot & threatened by blacks with guns.. I've seen them showing off guns - the UK is not as safe as people claim & although people don't like to admit this, it IS a racial issue. There is crime in all communities but the posturing & posing of black youth in particular transitions to irresponsible gun use all too easily (Pakistanis etc. are almost as bad though more sophisticated in thier crimes - the rape gangs for example).
andy7666 1 week ago
Your country, our motherland has lost its God given right to protect yourself. Stand up for youselfs already. You can walk around your city streets getting drunk... buy all the cronic seeds you want but own a gun and your a criminal.
AZFreedomParty 1 week ago
Thats one of the reason that I am glad that we rebelled against the queen, but I feel bad for all of the historic weapons that have been destroyed due to some of Englands gun laws..
oneyeopn 2 weeks ago
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As for gun control . . You have gun control in the US . . The government have the real hardware . . and the people have the pea-shooters.
In the UK you can get hold of a gun if you really want one.
I'm just glad my neighbour doesn't have one (although he might) . . but then I suppose if he had one, I could buy one . . . and so on and so forth . . . all sounds very stressful and unnecessary.
English0pium 3 weeks ago
All this talk of black market guns, i live in the uk and find it hard to believe on that scale,yes i know some gangs are armed.But hundreds of guns a month?. A question is this goverment hype or is there a market as the video shows for that type of weapon aks etc.
357jock 3 weeks ago
@357jock Think of the thousands,hundreds of thousands of gun,s that went walkabout when the old Warsaw pact dissolved,anyone who subscribed to them was supplied with arms aplenty.Every thirld world country replicated all the designs,many versions of the AK produced by loads of countries.The army lose them,police lose them too.No brainer really.
MrBulldogtools 2 weeks ago
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it makes me luagh i have never heard of a massacre on a gun range
MrGta12367 4 weeks ago
haha pricks i still got mine they can ban them but they cant get rid of them
m1n1moto1 1 month ago
@m1n1moto1 - What an air riffle? There is no way you have a banned gun. Your full of it.
WillShakespeare2007 2 weeks ago
@WillShakespeare2007 what makes you think you dont even know me so if i were you i would just be quiet
m1n1moto1 2 weeks ago
@m1n1moto1 - Hey prove it. Post a video with your gun. It is that easy. You know why you won't? Because you are gull of it son.
WillShakespeare2007 2 weeks ago
@WillShakespeare2007 it is pretty easy becouse i got it without a licence becouse my brother had 2 so he game me one. i dont know if he had a licence for it or not
m1n1moto1 2 weeks ago
@WillShakespeare2007 its not hard i could buy a mac 10 for £400 easy
traceradam 2 weeks ago
@traceradam - Well in my home city of 1 million people there was one shooting last year. I have never ever seen a gun in the U.K.
I am aware that some people can get them but obviously very few and they are hardly ever used. But the Mac 10 is an example of a weapon brought over from the U.S. and so proves their gun laws are effecting every country on earth. If they had the same laws it would also reduce gun crime everywhere else.
WillShakespeare2007 1 week ago
@WillShakespeare2007 no it wouldn't people in the uk dont smuggle weapons form the us
they buy them in Bulgaria as blank pistols and then easily convert them some of them go for less than £15 Brittan is flooded with them
traceradam 1 week ago
@traceradam do you have any idea how complicated it is to turn a blank firing pistol back into a real one? it is easier to make your own out of plumbing materials and scraps than that
lockbreak12 1 week ago
@lockbreak12 there is a certain "blank gun" witch you can buy online from a certain contorty and the barrels are not blocked they are made out of steel so its a simple as putting a 9mm into it no modfaction they sell for £90
traceradam 1 week ago
@traceradam wow...... you live in a fantasy world don't you?
lockbreak12 1 week ago
@WillShakespeare2007 A Mac-10 in the US costs at least $3,000. If we do get it, it has to be registered, we have to be finger printed and extensively background checked, as well as waiting months for the paper work to go through the system.Virtually no violent crimes have been committed with legally owned automatic firearms in the U.S. I know of 2 happening since 1934, one by a police officer. Blaming the US for black market firearms is absurd. Generic "Blame the US for our problems." argument.
LifeisGood762 1 week ago
@LifeisGood762 - If the guns are legally sold in the U.S. and then end up on the black market then who do you suggest I blame? Are you aware that there are 650 gun shops along the boarder with Mexico that a fueling the gun deaths there and the U.S. government does nothing about it. The U.S. has to take responsibility for the weapons the manufacture and where they end up. Why should people get killed all around the world because the U.S. has no control over its weapons.
WillShakespeare2007 1 week ago
@WillShakespeare2007 There are no Mac-10s being bought on the US market, then sold to crimminals. It would be pointless, as you can get an illegal gun for a fraction of the price you would buy the legal Mac. Are YOU aware that the US government knowingly let over 1000 guns cross the border into the hands of the cartels and did nothing to stop it? Is this the organization you want controlling guns?
LifeisGood762 1 week ago
@LifeisGood762 - My point is that all those guns start off legal. They are legally produced in the USA. If they were not making them then they would not exist to be bought either legally or illegally. And yes I am aware that the U.S. did that and that the U.S. allows hundreds of gun shops on the boarder also. This is my point about Americans gun policy causing gun deaths across the globe.
WillShakespeare2007 5 days ago
Im a 21 year old male, and I have future plans to move out into a housing association flat (I.E an ex council flat, housing project to you yanks) I have no criminal record other than an expired speeding fine but would police be likely to grant me an FAC? And if the housing association wouldnt allow fitting of a gun safe, is it possible I could come to an agreement with the local police station to store my gun and ammo for me? And then I can collect it when I want to go to the shooting club?
parrotcar 1 month ago
@parrotcar
I know my dad used to keep a .22 rifle at the local police station, could try phoning them.
otester 1 month ago
@parrotcar
Would the shooting club not have a gun safe?
FACs in the UK are granted on the basis of what you want a gun for and on your character. Some police forces are more hardarse than others (typically the Met), but as long as you comply with their requirements, housing association flats won't affect their decision to grant.
billburns2 1 month ago
@parrotcar - sure they will be happy for you to have a gun on your crappy council estate. They always allow peasants to arm themselves.
WillShakespeare2007 2 weeks ago
2:30 bawwwwbies
robinhvej 1 month ago
3:16 FTW
ironcityblue 1 month ago
America supports your right to bear arms!!! I sound like a red neck but its true lol I'm more likely to get robbed at gun point in England than in New York. Thats saying something. Not to mention how drastically more home invasions (with occupants currently in the home) there are in the UK.
SAMSIZZLE123 1 month ago
@SAMSIZZLE123 it is not nearly as bad as that makes out believe me
nedk09 1 month ago
@SAMSIZZLE123
"I'm more likely to get robbed at gun point in England than in New York. Thats saying something."
Not true. You are extremely unlikely to be robbed at gunpoint in either places. The only thing it "says" is that you are ignorant of the realities of gun crime, both in New York and in England.
billburns2 1 month ago
@billburns2 no im not, that's fact. I mean sure I'm counting an entire country against one city but England is small as fuck so it's some what fare lol
SAMSIZZLE123 1 month ago
@SAMSIZZLE123
"that's fact"
Then cite some sources for this "fact". You an look up the phrase "per capita" while you're at it.
billburns2 1 month ago
@billburns2 look i read that shit somewhere and I'm not gonna waste my time figuring out where. I'm not in to this whole youtube debate team bullshit. Find your own cites lazy fuck.
SAMSIZZLE123 1 month ago
@SAMSIZZLE123
LMFAO.
Well if you read that shit somewhere I suppose that clinches it. Idiot.
billburns2 1 month ago
@billburns2 lazy
SAMSIZZLE123 1 month ago
@SAMSIZZLE123
lazy fuck Friar Tuck
l2a3sterling 1 month ago
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@billburns2 Really, because NYC has PROHIBITIVE FIREARM LAWS. Their firearm laws in NYC are very similar in practice to the UK's as NYC's virtually prohibitve law abiding from owning a pistol and they prohibit law abiding subjects in London. Let's take where I live for example where break-ins, where robbery, rape, and homicide are all virtually non-existent while our firearm laws are LAX compared to either NYC or London.
CRTV1982 3 weeks ago
The brits need guns to deal with the muslim cancer.
themainproblem 1 month ago
@themainproblem that saying muslim is a cancer is really ofensive i am not a muslim and i do not know any muslims but that is cold blooded
MrGta12367 1 month ago
@MrGta12367 Well, it may take some time where you live but it is their intent to eventually replace your way of life with theirs. Hence, the reference to cancer.
themainproblem 1 month ago
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MrGta12367 1 month ago
@themainproblem they are not a cancer but i do belive that the ones that already are here sould not be chucked out of the country but the peopel who want to enter are country should fuck off the ones that want to enter are the pakis black cunts but the ones who are already here have a right to stay
MrGta12367 1 month ago
@MrGta12367
well as long as their not causing any trouble their ayt i mean i have muslim friends and their alright
kolinmartz 1 month ago
@MrGta12367 im muslim and thanks
SAMSIZZLE123 1 month ago
@SAMSIZZLE123 are you being sarcastic or do you really mean thanks
MrGta12367 1 month ago
@MrGta12367 i mean it. thanks for not being a complete a hole lol
SAMSIZZLE123 1 month ago
@themainproblem you digusting bastard im english you aint english people aint racist you are fuck off
GK22psn 1 month ago
@GK22psn So you're english? Your spelling and sentence structure suck. BTW, numbnuts... Muslims are not a race, you clueless imbecile.
themainproblem 1 month ago
@giftedkidrules what does the riots have to do with gun control? When did I say I do no care about people dieing in riots? Murder with guns in England is one of lowest in Europe. Because people find it hard to get guns. Thats what im going by, meaning people are finding it hard to get guns. gun control is working. Swiss only has 6 mill people, everyone has a gun because of the military system. There is obviously less poverty and people are raised better. Also helps having a smaller population.
telephoneboxmusic 1 month ago
I hope California NEVER gets up to this point with gun control.
BigJ782011 1 month ago
guns shud be legal goverment is just a gangster an loves the money comin inn wen ppl get shot
SuperTurk92 1 month ago
@mrmilleniumproof i can't say for the rest of the uk but knife crime is quite bad where i'm from, if you go to newport for a night out you got to be careful what you say cause they won't think twice to stab you or bottle you or just beat the shit out of you, even with a heavy police presence.
crazydude1631 2 months ago
The ban has been effective, shootings are rare and UK has some of the lowest gun crime in Europe.
telephoneboxmusic 2 months ago
@telephoneboxmusic
gun crime has increased in the UK as the amount of issued shotgun and sect 1 firearm certificates has decreased and the laws have become more strict. this suggests that gun control is a f***ing joke and it does not work
trailtarget 2 months ago
I really hope that webley didnt go to the muncher.
ArmedBrit 2 months ago
GUN Ban is shit in Englang, gun are allowed only for bad guys in UK :-(
Gangster88232 2 months ago
The police think its all bad because they always look to the negative; '3-400 round a minute on a crowded environment...this is deadly.' Who said anything about shooting people. All we want to do is target practice and keeping those fucking foxes off our lawn. Then again the police are very trigger happy these days!
EmpireofBritain96 2 months ago
@mrmilleniumproof For the same reason you would wear a bullet proof vest.
And they are not always carrying those vests. Don't forget that knifes are still legal, and you DON'T want to get stabbed with a kitchen knife. If you do, please post a video.
Don't try to patronize me because you have no better knowledge about UK than I do- Have you even been there before? I replied to your question in a civil manner but if you refuse to behave I will just assume you're a child.
bf2lover42 2 months ago
@mrmilleniumproof I take it you are just misinformed and not just plain retarded.
It's a stab vest. It doesn't do much against bullets because high speed impacts are not the same as "ice pick" or "slash" wounds. Just like a regular bullet proof vest won't stop most stabs. Because since guns are "controlled", kids carry knives to pretend they are cool.
The more you know...
bf2lover42 2 months ago
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I HAVE HAD ENOUGH, IN THE UNITED KINGDOM WE HAVE LOST THE RIGHT TO DEFEND OURSELVES, OUR FRIENDS AND OUR FAMILIES .
LIKE MANY OF YOU MY DREAM IS TO HELP THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED KINGDOM WIN OUR RIGHTS BACK. IF YOU BELIEVE THAT AS A COMMUNITY WE CAN REGAIN THE RIGHT TO DEFEND OURSELVES, SUBSCRIBE TO MY CHANNEL AND SOON I WILL UPLOAD A PETITION FOR US TO SIGN. ONCE I GAIN ENOUGH SUPPORT I WILL SEND THIS TO THE HOME OFFICE AND ASK THEM TO RETHINK ABOUT THEIR POLICY ON FIREARMS.
trailtarget 2 months ago
if gun control is a myth, then why haven't i, or any of my friends or family ever had a gun pointed in their face or shot?
notrickroll 2 months ago
@notrickroll becuase you are lucky even in the usa or russia thats uncommon and in the uk at least crime was always low even when you could get machine guns
TheAlexagius 2 months ago
@notrickroll Fucking logical fallacy. In my country guns are not bad and I never had a gun pointed at me.
On the other hand, I had knives pointed at me, and even got shanked once. Unfortunately, there are not concealed carry permits so I couldn't pull a legal gun from under my jacket and spit some legal jacketed hollow point bullets into the scum of society.
Had a camera right behind me, didn't do shit to clean the community. Self defence law would.
bf2lover42 2 months ago
SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!
SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.
SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!
EcotecUSA 2 months ago
in the uk the only guns that are legal are shotguns and bolt action rifles
bobbert890 3 months ago
@bobbert890
wrong. You are forgeting Section 5 & Section 7 firearms. Plus the section 1 humane dispatch pistols.
ArmedBrit 2 months ago
@bobbert890 semi auto .22 lever actions stightpull then there are the section 5 and 7 weapons
TheAlexagius 2 months ago
I am a US Citizen that lived in Italy and the UK. You have to remember that everything they know about Americans and Guns is from what the see or hear in our action movies and music. I witnessed more crime, drugs, and violence over there than here and there police forces are horribly less interested in personal rights or protections of their citizens. But their Media and Governments have been pushing the "American Gun Nuts" ideal to support their agendas for decades. Just my personal experience
CanDoSeabee1 3 months ago
@CanDoSeabee1 You know why?
Once some rapper who was probably high as fuck didn't stop when the police told him too, he almost ran over an officer, and got shot. Since he was part of a racial minority, huge media coverage out of nowhere.
He was shot with a rubber slug, what caused his death was a sub-consequent car crash. He was an ex-con and probably touched more guns than I did. Basically, police officers are only interested in your safety if they know they can get away with it.
bf2lover42 2 months ago
@bf2lover42 thanks for the reply, do you have any links of the incident you mentioned?
CanDoSeabee1 2 months ago
@CanDoSeabee1 The problem is that I am not really sure if it was "MC Snake" the victim. The links are not in English, but from what I had searched the tox screen did not accuse drugs or alcohol, and friends say he was not carrying any weapon.
Basically, if that was entirely true he would not have tried to run from the police. They were 7 or 8, and one tried to shoot the tires, I can't find if the hit that made him crash was rubber or lead.
bf2lover42 2 months ago
@CanDoSeabee1 What happened was that the law did not contemplate that kind of event and the victim was not a suspect of any crime, so the police officer did not make a "righteous" self-defence. The cop almost got charged with murder but it was later "downgraded" to involuntary homicide.
The case was probably hushed because the links are a little old.
bf2lover42 2 months ago
The UN, the EU have repeatedly shown the UK to be more violent than the US.
The UK figures don't include any crimes where the victim is under 15.
The UK figures have been repeatedly questioned (by folks in the UK) for being white-washed.
Rape is so rarely prosecuted and even more rarely is a conviction obtained that there are serious questions about whether or not 50% of all rapes are even reported
MrTurkeybird09 3 months ago
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silver760 3 months ago
Glad I live in the USA. My household owns around 20 guns. God bless America
FiiNaLvReFLeX 3 months ago
If you have a criminal record you should never be able to buy a gun!
But this is a question:
If i move to the USA from the UK and if i get into the USA will i be able to buy and own a gun?
overlord970 4 months ago
@overlord970 Depending what state you live in, Yes.
TeoZMuff313 4 months ago
@TeoZMuff313
Can you tell me which states?
Thanks.
overlord970 4 months ago
@overlord970 cant find one
Benweaves 4 months ago
@overlord970 en wikipedia org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_(by_state)
TeoZMuff313 4 months ago
all you guys who think we cant have guns in uk we can by signing for a FAC (Fire Arms Certificate) you will be legally able to buy a gun for use on a range...
Blender3dvids 4 months ago
If you outlaw guns then only outlaws will have guns...
squidvis 4 months ago
ITS NOT FAIR
MRWALKER500000 4 months ago
I asked for the statistics for gun crime from 1969 to 2009 from the Home Office, which they provided for me. The figures show a massive increase in firearms offences in the last 40 years. There were 717 offences with guns recorded by police in 1969. By 2009, that figure had increased to 9,865 crimes.
That's an increase of more than 1,270 percent in just 40 years. For a copy of the FOI request letter that I received from the Home Office, send me a message with your email address.
gentlegee1976 4 months ago
@gentlegee1976
the increase doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the banning of guns.
mufc4527 4 months ago
@mufc4527
I think you've missed the point. People like you told us that we would have a safer society if guns were banned. You said that gun crime would plummet. An increase of 1,446 percent shows that you lied to us.
gentlegee1976 3 months ago
@gentlegee1976
which gun ban do you mean? and in 1969 how many people had air rifles and imitation weapons, which make up 50% of the gun crime today. How many gun murders where there in 1969?
mufc4527 3 months ago
@mufc4527 There have been several gun bans since 1969, semi-auto rifles were banned in 1988, and handguns in 1997. My opinion is that you know fuck all about guns and are simply scared of them. Can you name 4 different calibres of handgun bullets and put them in order from least to most powerful ? Have you ever even fired a gun ?
gentlegee1976 3 months ago
@gentlegee1976
why don't you fill out a load of paper work? join a gun club for a couple of months and then you could own a gun, why exactly do you need a specific type of gun?
mufc4527 3 months ago
@mufc4527 Because different guns are used for different purposes. If someone could train you up and teach you to use a gun safely and confidently would that change your opinion ? You cannot ban something simply because you are scared of it or don't understand it. Training people to use guns responsibly is thet key here.
gentlegee1976 3 months ago
@gentlegee1976
would you really want to live next door to somebody who owns a gun? i wouldn't. I just don't see any reason somebody should own a gun today.
mufc4527 3 months ago
@mufc4527 I am a veteran of the Iraq War (US Air Force) and am well used to being around guns. I am now a civilian. I recently bought a gun for the first time last week. Part of the reason I did this was to spite people like you who claim law abiding citizens can't be trusted. Your side always tries to stereotype gun owners as paranoid nut jobs but if it is you who do not feel safe living near someone who owns a weapon then you are the one who is paranoid.
warhawkjah 3 months ago
@warhawkjah It's only in the UK that people see gun owners as freaks/nutters.Strangely they become converts when they find an intruder in their homes late at night or come home to find they have been burgled and think to themselves that they could have been in when it happened.With increasing use of drugs in the UK comes increasing violent crime.Dealers can only protect themselves/drugs with firearms and users go to any extent to get money for drugs.The police provide no protection to the public
silver760 3 months ago
@silver760 The left wing media has brainwashed them. They want to live in a world as it should be, you know where everyone is good, as in a fantasy world. Utopia's only exist in their minds, not in reality.
fitz207 3 months ago
@silver760 Try Australia and Japan too.This blighted country isnt the only gun paranoid nation out there.Also France ban military calibre weapons and ammo too,from what ive heard.
MarineAqua45 3 months ago
@warhawkjah
well it says a lot about America doesn't it? that what 1/3 of the population needs guns for protection.
mufc4527 3 months ago
@mufc4527 I don't really care if people own guns, as long as they don'y use them to threaten or harm others. People should have the right to own guns to protect themselves from anyone that wants to cause them harm. What type of weapon a criminal uses to commit that harm is irrelevant.
gentlegee1976 3 months ago
@gentlegee1976 Well said. It's amazing that people don't understand the facts. Law abiding citizens don't go around shooting people. Criminals do. ...and you're right. Criminals will always find a way to harm the innocent. Knives, bats pipes and even their bare hands. Guns don't kill people, criminals do.
fitz207 3 months ago
@mufc4527 The US has more than 80 million gun owners and around 15,000 murders each year. Lets say for the sake of argument that all of these murders are being carried out by legal gun owners. That means that each year around 0.018 percent of gun owners use their guns to kill. Does that justify disarming the other 99.98 percent of gun owners who use their weapons responsibly ?
gentlegee1976 3 months ago
How do you work that one out ? Semi-automatic rifles were banned in 1988, handguns in 1997. In 1980, the only weapons that civilians could not legally own were fully automatic machine guns . Are you scared of guns by any chance and do you know anything about them ? It seems to me that the problem might not be one of guns, but rather one of you being unable to deal with your irrational fears.
gentlegee1976 4 months ago
Every government that wishes to own it's people forbid citizens from owning weapons. It has nothing to do with safety. I feel for the UK. They should issue every citizen a simi-auto ar15 or ak and watch the criminals squirm away. Nobody wants to go into a house if they know someone is in there waiting to shoot them.
1835msd 4 months ago
That officer muzzle swept the camera man several times.
RuthlessZabusa 5 months ago
It's about freedom, not whether guns are good or bad.
otester 5 months ago
@otester Thank god. some from the UK that understands it.
gentlegee1976 5 months ago
@gentlegee1976
Problem is the stupid people heavily outnumber us, at least the Americans have a Bill Of Rights to sit behind.
otester 5 months ago
I lold when they gave every household a gun kn Kennesaw GA and crime rate - not firearm homicide- dropped 90%? something like that. I'm not worried about specifics. look it up for yourself
DoctorAsshole1 5 months ago
Oh god the bad,bad gun . ooh scary
fabianstraregy 5 months ago
This is sad
gunnut1405 5 months ago
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@TheGameBWS09
Please do me a favour. Explain how gun control works in Great Britain without referring to any other country or even mentioning another country. Concentrate your argument on the UK and the UK alone.
gentlegee1976 5 months ago
what is this documentry
mrmRnicebarstard 5 months ago
i know this is a stupid question i wan to get a gun i live in the uk i want to get a black blank gun is it illegal
ManLikeKhadar 5 months ago
The use of firearms in violent crime has risen almost yearly since since 1980.
The true test of gun control lies not with what's happening 3,000 miles away, but with what's happening on our own dorrstep. Consider this - Gun related crimes (excluding air weapons) increased from 1,525 offences in 1980 to around 10,330 crimes in 2004.
That's an increase of more than 570 percent in just 24 years.
These figures were provided to me following a request to the Home Office
gentlegee1976 5 months ago
@Corporatism The homicide rate in the US is relatively high because the high availability of firearms means they're used in most murder attempts, and since firearms are more efficient and destructive weapons, more of those murders are successful. Guns still don't motivate the crimes and banning guns wouldn’t take away the motivations people have to commit crimes. It's a non-solution. There are 2 guns in the US for every 3 citizens, so if guns motivated crime we'd all be dead.
Snipe4261 5 months ago
@Snipe4261 - We could make a direct comparison between the US and the UK. That’s how many anti-gun activists try to win debates. But how many of these people know that the murder rate in the US has dropped by 48 percent and overall violent crime by 40 percent since 1991, despite the fact that gun sales have increased and gun laws have become more relaxed during this time ?
That never seems to be mentioned, does it ?
gentlegee1976 5 months ago
@gentlegee1976 Put it this way we arent allowed guns in the UK and the Murder rate is way lower than America and even though the murder rate has lowered in America its still VERY high compared to most countries ,look at how many ghettos there are in America with gangs armed to there teeth and that are no go areas for police UK police dont even need to carry guns.
TheGameBWS09 5 months ago
@Corporatism The overall homicide rate and even the gun homicide rate are not relevant unless you want to ban guns on the basis that they’re more destructive than other types of weapons. It's not relevant because firearms are tools and don't themselves motivate crimes. People will still attempt to murder one another at the same rate regardless of the availability of firearms. Besides,1 in 10,000 firearms in the US is used in a homicide annually, why should 10,000 lose a right because of 1?
Snipe4261 5 months ago
@Snipe4261 The USA murder rate is higher than the UK so tell me how Gun control hasn't worked? In the US (population c. 298.5m) there were an estimated 16,137 homicides in 2004 (FBI, 2006a) – a rate of about 5.4 per 100,000. Of these, 10,654 were carried out with guns (FBI, 2006b).
TheGameBWS09 5 months ago
@TheGameBWS09 What does 7 year old data on US homicide rates for a single year have to do with the affects of gun control in the UK?
Gun ownership and violent crime tend to have an inverse realtionship.
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Snipe4261 5 months ago
@Snipe4261 Because im proving a point that the USA has a high murder rate its always around 4.0 or 5.0 per 100,000 and thats 4 or 5 times higher than the UK and MOST murders in America come from the Gun.Heres a little fact for you - "There has been an 11 per cent fall in gun crime since 2005 and provisional figures for firearm offences recorded by the police show they account for 0.2 per cent of all recorded crime" - British Home office in 2010
TheGameBWS09 5 months ago
@TheGameBWS09
If what you say is true, why has the US murder rate dropped by 51 percent since 1991, because gun sales have increased and gun laws have become more relaxed. And if tight gun laws lead to lower rates of gun violence, why has crime involving handguns increased by 780 percent since 1980. (Home Office Statistics). Surely as we tighten our gun laws, gun violence should come down. With our laws, we should have the lowest rate of gun violence ever recorded.
gentlegee1976 5 months ago
@gentlegee1976 Why do you link murder rate to gun ownership going up? Many things can contribute to the rise and fall of murder rate like better policing and even the economy i mean right now the UK murder rate is at its lowest in 12 years.Only 6% of criminal Homicides in the UK are from a gun...... and Gun homicides in England and Wales are at 0.10 per 100,000 population compared, for example, with 0.69 in Canada, 0.93 in Switzerland and 3.52 in the USA (data compiled from WHO)
TheGameBWS09 5 months ago
@TheGameBWS09
So even though gun violence has increased in the UK every time gun laws have been tightened, as long as its stays lower than a country that's thousands of miles away we can called it a success ? You have mentioned the US a lot, why haven't you mentioned Ciudad Jurarez in Mexico, where gun laws are very strict (even stricter than ours) yet gun violence has reached levels that have NEVER been seen in any US city, ever.
gentlegee1976 5 months ago
@gentlegee1976 Ciudad Juarez is RIGHT on the US boarder and is obviously and battle ground for Drug cartels the Gun crime there has nothing to do with Gun control its ALL to do with criminal gangs from the US and Mexico smuggling Drugs so thats a stupid comparison
TheGameBWS09 5 months ago
@TheGameBWS09 So if gun control works (as you claim it does) why are the Mexican drug cartels so heavily armed ? You cannot carry a gun in public in Mexico, but the cartel members do. You cannot own a fully automatic weapon in Mexico, or own more than 2 guns at any one time, but the cartel members do. You can claim that guns are smuggled into Mexico from the US, but you need permission and a licence from the Mexican Authorites to do so. Why is gun control not working in Mexico ?
gentlegee1976 5 months ago
@gentlegee1976 Because there is no one to enforce the law,the police in mexico have lost control of certain areas and its due to the fact the drug cartels are making so much money and are becoming so powerful the police simply just cant deal with it and also there is plenty of corruption with the drug cartels using that drug money to bribe local police and government officials.
TheGameBWS09 5 months ago
@TheGameBWS09 - So why are the drug cartels ignoring the law ? I'll tell you why, gun control doesn't work because criminals don't obey laws. How would you enforce the law, anyway ? Are you going to violate people's right to proivacy by searching every car, house and person in Mexico ? There is no way at all to stop bad guys carrying and using weapons without turning the country into a Japanese style police state. Do you want to live like that ?
gentlegee1976 5 months ago
@gentlegee1976 Now look at Japan there law says "No-one shall possess a fire-arm or fire-arms or a sword or swords" and there Gun crime in amongst the LOWEST in the world ,Gun ownership in Japan is minuscule, and so is gun crime
TheGameBWS09 5 months ago
@TheGameBWS09 - You do know that Japan is a police state, don't you ? After you are arrested, you may be detained without bail for up to 28 days before being put before a judge. Even after the 28 day period is completed, rearrest may occur while you are still being held at the police station on the first charge, meaning they can hold you for another 30 days without charge. Some defendants may be held for several months without ever being brought before a judge. Fancy living like that ?
gentlegee1976 5 months ago
@gentlegee1976 You're avoiding the facts,the facts are that in countries like the UK and Japan gun crime is extremely low,and in America the country with the least amount of gun control they have the highest gun related injuries in the world.and high gun violence...Also a study by the UN says that "Firearms are used in this threatening capacity 4 to 6 times more than firearms used as a means of protection in fighting crime" ....Gun control works its been proven in countries all around the world
TheGameBWS09 5 months ago
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gentlegee1976 5 months ago
@TheGameBWS09 It's not valid in any way to compare 1 country to another. The murder rate in the UK was lower than the US before the ban and it didn't go down after the ban. No country has lowered murder rates with gun laws. Comparing the US & UK only shows the UK has lower murder rates. It doesn't give us any reason why. Florida has more oranges & more violence than the UK. Does this mean oranges cause crime? No. Because we haven't isolated a variable & can't establish cause & effect.
shananagans5 5 months ago
@shananagans5 But Oranges arent the cause of most deaths in America,you failed at trying to be a smart arse.
TheGameBWS09 4 months ago
@TheGameBWS09 Can you isolate guns as a variable & show that gun laws reduce violent death? Does comparing one country to another show anything?
shananagans5 4 months ago
@TheGameBWS09 " - Motor vehicles are responsible for many deaths in America with around 43,000 accidental deaths each year, compared to around 700 from gun misuse. On another note, you clearly support gun laws, but have so far failed to explain how tightening gun laws will reduce the murder rate of a particular country. I mean, how will gun laws protect us from people that don't obey the law ?
gentlegee1976 4 months ago
@gentlegee1976 Because the people who dont obey the law dont have guns because they are tightly regulated yes a few get through but on the most part in the criminal world guns are hard to come by and the ones that are around are expensive because they are so valuable.-"Most of the 42 gun-related deaths last year took place in London, the West Midlands, Manchester or Merseyside, with swathes of the country recording no homicides, suicides or accidental deaths from firearms." - From 2009
TheGameBWS09 4 months ago
@TheGameBWS09 OK, so explain the massive increase in handgun crime over the past 20 + years. There were 620 crimes with handguns recorded by police in 1980. By 2002, that figure had increased to 5,549. .
That's an increase of more than 790 percent in just 22 years. And what's a "gun murder" anyway. How does that differ from any other type of murder. If someone is beaten to death is that less serious in your opinion ?
gentlegee1976 4 months ago
@gentlegee1976 But in 1980 guns were still basically illegal in the UK,also all crime has increased in the past 20 years so gun crime is bound to increase aswell.Now tell me how everyone being able to own a gun would stop the very little gun crime there is? and if gun crime is so out of control why is there still no need for our police to carry guns? and why isnt the UK just a 3rd world lawless country with armed gangs roaming the streets?
TheGameBWS09 4 months ago
@TheGameBWS09 In 1980 there was no such thing asArmed Response Units,as there was no need to form them,as gun crime was very low,as there was little immigration happening,no human rights rubbish(Allowing those crafty foreign criminals to play our system&do -gooders telling us not slap about scumbags:-),fewer benefit scroungers too.Gun crime for London in 1991,was 127 recorded incidents,which was low.In 1980 guns were never illegal as you've claimed,as licenses existed for them then&nowdays too
MarineAqua45 4 months ago
@TheGameBWS09 no
GrizzPaul 4 months ago
@Corporatism Weaker? Not really. You actually don't need to be a deer hunter to get an 8mm. You can get anything like a .22 .243 .303 7.62mm or whatever if you obtain a Section after becoming a member of a gun club, which usually takes six months. Technically rifles are more dangerous than shotguns, since they are deadly at much longer ranges than buck-shot. Shotguns are only effective to about 30-40 yards at best.
TaZ101SAGA 5 months ago
It actually takes 3 seconds to empty an AK47 magazine on fully automatic and they have a fire-rate of 600 rounds per minute average, not 300-400.
TaZ101SAGA 5 months ago
@Corporatism Actually you can, ever heard of a Section 1 FAC? It permits you to own a non-automatic rifle with a calibre of up to 8mm.
TaZ101SAGA 5 months ago
I laugh whenever someone brings up the state of crime in the UK as an argument in favor of gun control because it means they don't actually know what the state of crime is in the UK. Disarming the victms doesn't prevent crime.
Snipe4261 5 months ago
dont need more gun control . just need harsher punishments for criminals that use them in crime.
quicklady 5 months ago
did anyone else cringe when the reporter said the word "Bobbies" = "BARBIES" whats that supposed to men?
Radman23078 5 months ago
Americans think we can't get guns legally, ever heard of a gun licence, easy to obtain, then you can have almost anything!
mitmotridezbikez 5 months ago
Wow those gun laws really work! Good job England!
g1942transient 6 months ago
Exactly true. British private military companies possess so many guns to operate in other countries. Government is conspiring with them
LostnChill 6 months ago
my country, my right, my gun.
Grunt922 6 months ago
3 or 4 hundred a Minute ! fuck that is a slow rate of fire!
paulspydar 6 months ago
@paulspydar It's not impossible to reduce the rof and I bet it's actually better to conserve ammo and make the gun more controllable. It's not like 7.62x39 is that cheap to smuggle into the UK.
Or the gun was never messed with, he just doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.
DeathAdder187 5 months ago
@paulspydar That's 5 to 6 rounds per second, it's perfectly fine for a rifle. It can kill things without emptying a magazine in the blink of an eye.
1337soldiahs 5 months ago
its funny cus alot of these weapons were prolly stolen in the US.
jimmyhoffa9 6 months ago
Imagine you have 2 cities, both with 1.5 million residents. These cities are 450 miles apart, but in different countries. One of these cities has virtually no gun laws and the other has tougher laws that the UK. (These cities are real places, by the way.)
Whic h one had 3000 murders last year, and which one had 125 murders ?
gentlegee1976 6 months ago
@gentlegee1976 the one with out guns has the highest as the criminals are armed yet the city with people armed will have the 125 as people can defend themselves
TheAlexagius 6 months ago