I think you are a jerk. Instead of spending time taping, help him. Sell your motorcycles, computers, and everything else he has given you and hire him a maid.
Are you kidding?? Your sweet Dad has his laundry all neatly folded, CLEAN in piles, just gotta put in dressar or closet! I have A FUCKING MOUNTAIN of clean laundry sitting on my laundry table, waiting for me to EVEN FOLD THE SHIT!!!! I said forget that, and read a book instead, today.....This is small stuff that does not even matter in the big scheme of things in life!! Trust me! There will always be more laundry!! WHO CARES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you could show him by doing what you're talking about, taking a sack and sorting while you watch tv... If he sees someone doing this often enough his could have a new picture in his mind. It might help him if he consistently sees someone doing it. Remember, this is a layer of insulation for some people to protect them from what is really bothering them, maybe you need to see if something else is really bothering him.
Let me understand this---this is your Dad's house. You have your own place? Cuz you have other video saying you are a hoarder. So if you are a hoarder also, why are you complaining your Dad is a slob?????
@fan80sgirl ====HAHAHAHAHA!!! Thanks for the fucking GOOD LAUGH, Liebchette---Anyways, BITCH-ASS PUNK is complaining his sweet DAD has 3 vaccuum cleaners, and reason why? I say, WHY doesn't Bitch pick up one, start fucker up, and start cleaning??? WHAT is mother-fucker's problem??? He can't help out????
this house is nothing compared to many others out there where there is so much crap, there only a single path barely wide enough for a single person to walk on in any given area in the house, and the piles are very very very very high.
I have seen a LOT worse than your dad's place. WHERE was your dad while you were snooping through his house? I think you are an ungrateful bastard. Just my opinion.
Orbisec what have YOU done to HELP your Dad? besides walking around with your New Camera showing your Fathers buisiness online?How old is your father now?how old are You Bet you will be real happy if you get HIS Home when he is gone! how about helping clean up for your Father or make him a thank you for raising me dinner? that way YOU can set the table.....
not the worst I have seen. looks like he does make a lot of effort to keep it somewhat organized and not filthy. seems your mother is gone now. it may be his loss that keeps him hanging on to his junk. really though, not as bad as it could be as far as hoarding. his effort my mean you are having an affect on him. maybe you should study why people hoard, and then help him go through the stuff.
by the way, you really need to throw out those sitting computer monitors out as soon as possible. They are very high on radiation and will severely affect your health.
yes, he clearly has a problem. I am fighting with this problem myself. It is a never ending battle. I think going through stuff and sorting what's needed and what's not, will not really help. You need to rent a dumster and throw EVERYTHING out, and then start a fresh. I think that's the only solution.
You sound like a very consciencious loving organized individual.
...and your Dad sounds like he is a man who finds value in everything. I think that finding value in all things is a human quality that has great value in our culture. Perhaps you (we all could) could see value in these items rather than garbaging them. Post consumer paper fibers, organics, metals, glass and plastics are all post consumer natural resource. Garbage is the myth.
Lets develop systems for identifying and dealing with these natural resources rather than "throwing them away"
Incidently where is away?
...these natural resources are valuable commodities today and have been for years but there are people who have been hiding this truth to their advantage. We as consumers could be putting money back into our own pockets.
@gaiagale ===I know, I wonder about our landfills?? These hoarding tv shows---they throw out everything in big dumpsters or garbage trucks. Nothing is getting recycled! If it was, I'm sure they would point that out!
I am keeping you in my prayers and I am praying to God to give you the strength. Just don't try to de-clutter everything right away! It's not going to last long if you do. A "shock" theray is not the best way here. A gradual change will lead to longer lasting results. Give yourself some time, & make a change gradually. Also, throw everything out, needed & not needed. If you throw out some important paper - it is not going to kill you. Sorting through the stuff will overwhelm you. Keep in touch!
It's depressing and embarrassing for the children so why don't parents clean it up? Why? ... because the parents are not thinking about their children, they are only thinking of their bond with the junk and how the junk pleases them and brings them pride of posession. It's a sickness and can't be cured so don't go to their home, but invite them to yours where they can come see what the top of a table looks like.
I divorced in 2000 because of this very same thing. The pictures of house were the same as in my house (eerily similar) but not only was the pictures similar but the voice of the young man speaking is so similar to what my son says. My son now keeps a "blank house" as he calls it. It is one where you see nothing out on a table, on the floor, on a counter and nothing hanging on the walls... just blank. My house is not quite like that.
I don't know if somebody has already mentioned this, but on the clutter-hoarding scale (yes, there is a scale to measure chronic disorganization) your father seems at worst a 2 (out of 4. He is nowhere near 4). Google "clutter hoarding scale" to read the whole thing. He needs a professional organizer who specializes in chronic disorganization; your efforts to help, while well-intentioned, will probably increase his anxiety and actually make it harder for him to deal w/ the clutter.
If the person is a hoarder that's just about the worst thing you can do. For one thing, it won't last, because it won't change the hoarding behavior. And for another, it's intensely distressing to the hoarder, because you're basically throwing away parts of that person (in their mind). It will increase their anxiety, often leading to an increase in the severity of the behavior. A professional can work with the hoarder to change thinking and behavior, in addition to helping w/ organization.
kim, what causes a person to become a hoarder? If by throwing away the things "you are throwing away parts of that person" then that person has integrated the things into his life in such a way that he is dependant on those things. How does that happen? Dose he turn to things because he has no people support? He gets no value from the people around him therefore he turns to things? Maybe he was treated as an object? I would like to get the the heart of this as I have 4 relatives who hoard
I'm a hoarder. People hoard for different reasons. For one insecurity. A fear that if you loose an item you loose the memory attached to it. You should read "it's all too much" by peter walsh. He describes the real reasons behind peoples hoarding. and it is designed for you to clean your own house but also how to talk to a hoarder.
Being a hoarder affects quality of life. Having themess make one more insecure. Loose the memory? If I "loose" the memory, I wouldn't know that I had lost it. But that is why I held onto some things, then I realiz I can see the same thing at an antique store (or a picture) and get the same memory. Some of my hoarding was an excuse for just plopping things down and not putting them away or throwing them away. Let it go now and feel better. You will let it go eventually. What's important?
@thiskidglows I don't feel like I'm a hoarder, but my apt is very cluttered to the point where I don't bring people over. Whats the different between a hoarder and just having a clutter apt.
Being a hoarder is (in my opinion) when you can't let go of objects for whatever reason. not that things are out of place. Also when there is more things than you have room for ie bursting closets. no place to put things, keeping more than your means. Clutter can turn into that possibly. Are you wiling to let go of the things you have? could you go through and "trash" a lot of it and you're just too lazy or disorganized or do you feel you might need most of it or don't want to throw it out?
Sorry I didn't respond sooner. I think part of the issue is probably functionality. Can you still get to all your appliances and do they function? Can you use your rooms for their intended purposes or are they completely lost to clutter? Is your clutter a safety issue, blocking exits etc? Somebody else here recommended Peter Walsh's book "It's All Too Much": and I'd second that recommendation, it's a great book with a lot of insight and practical advice. Best of luck to you!
Hoarding (chronic disorganization in general, really) is not a laziness issue. It is a mental health issue.
A messy house can certainly be a laziness issue; however, the obvious patterns in what this man's father is accumulating suggest his problem, while perhaps not severe enough to be considered "hoarding" (yet) goes beyond simple "mess."
@kimiwtx could you please explain more in detail when you say hoarding is a mental health issue? My apt is very cluttered, and I must admit that I went through a deep state of depression, but my apt was a little clutter before the depression, and became more clutter after. I don't feel like I have a mental problem, or that I'm a hoarder. Help me out with what you think could be going on.
whoever made this video should be beaten... hes picking on his dad and being a little pussy boy. so its not perfect so what WHHHHAAAAA!!! what a baby!! help your old man out you asshole.. I GREW UP WITH A REAL HORDER.. this is just a bitching son
omg. my parents house is like this but in a lot of ways theirs is worse. Theirs is like your dads basement, everywhere in the house. and their garage is what you said your dads used to look like- shit piled chest high (and in many places, higher) [. Makes me sick and they just don't get it.
to be honest, i don't think it's as bad as you think. a lot of the stuff is kept in neat piles, and the clutter on the various tables would take a few hours to sort out. why not let your dad off the hook? it's his stuff, let him enjoy it. it's certainly not as bad as some literally life-endangering examples you can see on youtube. chill out!!
Thank you Orbisec for taking the time to video your fathers clutter/hoarding. I just discovered that I'm a hoarder/clutterer myself about 3 weeks ago and am trying like hell to de-clutter/de-hoard.
I didn't realize the gravity of the situation and believe that the task is much too big to tackle. But I believe that my quality of life is at stake and I must continue to de-hoard/de-clutter.
Thank you for posting this vital and necessary videot. One of the better ones. God Bless you.
9:12 "He thinks he's gonna take aaaallll of this SHIT and..." LOL!!!!!!!
Ur so cute...and i feel your pain, I do. I grew up with a hoarding parent and learned to be that way myself until my thirties, when my mom (who was the hoarder) and my aunt (who became one too late in life) both passed away within a few years of each other, and it took me MONTHS....MONTHS to deal with their estates and stuff.
I had to even quite my JOB and it cost me dearly in every area of my life, personally and professionally and financially...and that was the straw that broke the camels back. I was CURED from that time on of my own hoarding...and I have been purging my own stuff as we speak today..and came in to rest and watch OTHER people doing the same!!! You may not be able to change your dad, but thank God you realize the problem and didnt carry it into your own life!!
my dad's 74. he has been hoarding forever. if i get rid of stuff he yells and makes me feel stupid. he's very abusive. if i do nothing my other family makes me feel stupid. i am inbetween.
Make them go and deal with it if their so bloody concerned. What do they want you to do? Wave your magic wand! Cut them all a key each, and tell them they should call by for a visit.
Our son has a ton of car parts stored at our house. We also have one of his cars. At one time we had two vehicles of his here. I can't even use one corner of our yard because of the car parts he has accumulated. Orbisec, deal with the stuff that is yours in your dad's house. It's your responsibility.
your father is not bad yet . as he gets older it will get worse . if your brother was not there your father would be worse . your dad has ADD . he wants to organize but he can't .there are so many things going on he just puts every thing to the side and never gets to them . so the shit builds up because he never gets to it . now he does not know where to start .
I completely agree. You can't just skim over the stuff and call it junk either - especially when it comes to papers. You can bet there are some important papers in the middle of it, but who knows where. It is a matter of not getting to it and putting it aside. I would suggest that if this son acknowledges some of it was his - then he should take the initiative to deal with it.
Those who say your dad is not hoarding are in denial themselves.You need better understanding yourself. Time during commercials is not the answer. Professional help is. I will also bet your father has a touch of A.D.D. I hope he is young enough that he can still respond to help.
I notice someting similar between your dad's house and my mother's - Vaccum cleaners. Image that. They have this desire to be clean, but CAN NOT. Please study the affliction and sympathize. Good luck to your father.
You have really good common sense. I mean the part about how a person could make significant progress within a month or so just by sorting through paper and other things during commercial breaks. The problem is that there is a lack of rationality and logic with people who suffer from this condition. You are not alone. Many people have loved ones who are similar to your father. Some are worse. Good luck with encouraging him to do better!
it's very cluttered and it's not normal at all, but i don't think your dad is quite at the "hoarding" level. my sister and I actually grew up through our mom's hoarding problem and be thankfull you didint' have to deal with our parents!
You are not alone, Orbisec. My mom is worse. Unfortunately, she will have a fit and go into a deeper depression if we try to throw away or give away anything. We currently have two bedrooms that cannot be used as bedrooms-- one of which is my mom's bedroom. I pray everyday for my mom.
It isn't as easy as you think. Your dad needs some help.....in many areas including an organizer. How about getting him some help. Grab trash bag yourself and clean up the garbage.
It seems like your dad is running out of living space! People have said it's not as bad as other cases, but it could be if given enough time with no attention to the problem...I send positive thoughts to you and your dad - at this point he probably feels overwhelmed by all of it and doesn't know where to start. Some people actually have a fear of throwing stuff away, too! Good luck!
I am going through 40 years of my husband's accumulations. He is now unable to do this himself because of illness. My parents grew up during the Depression. My in-laws suffered through WW2 in Europe. Many people of those times in our history felt compelled to save everything. Clutter and hoarding drains one of potential and creativity. My best to you and anyone who has to deal with someone who is a hoarder. Read up on this and try to understand the psychology behind hoarding.
wow. my dad has 3 computer monitors, many many feel of random telephone wire hanging in huge coils in the basement...the scraps of paper all over the computer...we own about 4 vaccums, one works, a second kind of works... my dad can fix everything and I think that's where the problem starts. The collecting of parts to create the master machine that will never be made... I recently threw out about 5 huge garbage bags filled with old junk. 3 more bags and a fishtank to Goodwill...
for my Aunt I donated 89 golf bags and over 44 sewing machines ........so far. I think over 100 sewing machines were donated before I started helping!
Some earlier posts stated this isn't hoarding, which is absolutely wrong. Just because the house here is larger and can hold more debris doesn't mean that keeping so many useless items isn't hoarding. OCD hoarding isn't defined by how bad it looks to outsiders. I encourage Orbisec to get help for his father before the situation becomes even more out of control, which happens as those suffering from OCD get older. Good luck and thanks for posting!
Wow, I'd be doing backflips if my Dad's house was this clean! Sure he has room for improvement, but as a packrat he is just starting.....my parents can't even see or enter their kitchen! They haven't been able enter their kitchen for 5-10 years! Not TV watching, but playing your favorite music while working will make it easier.
@giaisbomb Are you stupid? If you cant park a car in the garage thats fucking hoarding. My dad has the same shit and its bad. I dont want to bring friends over anymore since theres junk everywhere.
@AlucardZero ===No, are you fucking stupid?? Pick on the rest of the people here who also say they've seen worse on videos or shows. If you don't like bringing your fucking asshole friends over to your Dad's house----GET YOUR OWN FUCKING APARTMENT LOSER!!!!! FUCK YOU....LEAVE ME ALONE BITCH.
@giaisbomb HAHAHA, so would I, he is a big Zero and will always be, probably knows himself already cuz of the username. Will never be able to have an own apartment or house, born as a loser, die as a loser.
@fan80sgirl ===LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!! DAMN BABY!!!! Read comment down here lower. Funny! Someone tells whoever made this video he might think it's garbage, but probably important papers and bills your DAD paid FOR YOU!!! LOL!!!!
@fan80sgirl ====Maybe punk kid will be found dead under a huge pile of papers or piles of junk and crap, bitch-ass PUNK is complaining about, at his Dad's house. MOVE OUT
@fan80sgirl wtf are you talking about? Are you some fat bitch that comes around insulting people? yeah, my dad has a problem, deal with it. Im still in school and ill live here until I move out. Like i said I AM STILL IN HIGH SCHOOl. HIGH SCHOOl. HIGH SCHOOL. HIGHHH SCHOOOOL. You know what that means? The only job i can get will get me a studio apartment in some jackasses's basement. I'd rather live here.
@AlucardZero Hey I'm Hollander, we are not fat like you Americans, so don't you also judge. You should help your dad instead of complaining, get off your fat lazy ass!
Im triying to not hoard in my house. Help my mother the other day to reorganice the kitchen and give away the things we dont needed. My room was a little trashed in time to time, but one sister helps me to clean. Sometimes is just apathy to keep the things in place. Good luck with your father.
I just wanted to say I can relate. My mother was not this way until long after we had all grown up and moved out. We finally got her out of a large house, went through all of the stuff ourselves, which was much worse than what you've shown. I'm talking dumpsters, dum truckss, bon fires, dozens of trash bags, etc.
It probably seems too incredibly overwhelming to your father. Best wishes. Check out Children of Hoarders website.
Your father's house isn't that bad, I've seen worse cases of hoarding. Thankfully he's not living in squalor but his cluttering problem could grow into full-blown hoarding if he doesn't get help. You advice of decluttering papers during commercials is a very good idea. Broken electronics should all be tossed, nobody is going to fix those. Good luck.
My pops is the same way. I showed him youtube videos of hoarding & it somehow made him angry @ me and the rest of my family for trying to get him help. I dont know what to do but it has cause me and my family much stress.
Just a gentle suggestion, hire a professional organizer for your dad to come in and prioritize his house. the guy that does the show on TLC, Peter whatshisname does this for a living. Help yourself, help him.
My pops reacts by finding out who did threw his valuable crap away and cursing them out.He has went as far as threats of violence and calling the police on his own family.
My dads shit isnt this bad but the basement garage his room and computer room arent even recognizable, and this shit is seriuos when its been going on for so long. I want to have him committed to a mental health facility.
No.Hoarding is hoarding weather its animals, papers and boxes or food. Anyway it goes its unwanted crap and if that person collecting it cant realize it then they need professional help.
I recommend psychotherapy. There is obviously a serious problem here, that being that you're obsessed with your dad's life. Get a life of your own and quit whining. As hoarding goes this is nothing.
I don't even know why this video is on youtube under Hoarding????
You really don't have that much stuff. You have no idea what a real packrat house is.
You attitude is good! Keep it up!
I hope you become a MINIMALIST.
Do we really need more than 100 items to live our life?
Everyone knows what they would spend their lottery winnings on------as for me, I would buy my Dad a 10,000 sq. foot warehouse, with space to build a 2nd one.
Unfortunately this may just be a beginning. I would recommend psychotherapy for yourself starting now, before you have a problem. It might be hard to believe but my aunt's home was 100 times worse, no exagerating. You couldn't see the sofa or bed much less get anywhere near it, you couldn't see the stairs & the path through the house was 2' - 3' high, squashed down, the surrounding areas were 5' - 6' high. I'm 5'4" & I could touch the ceiling.
Wow.. My Mom is the opposite She is a neat freak.. If we go over for dinner she is clearing off the table before we are even finished eating. But me, my brother and my sister all are clutter bugs.. odd huh.
I would strongly recommend that you take pictures of areas that seem to be getting worse. Then take a picture of the same place every few months. You need to DOCUMENT that the place is getting worse, otherwise he won't see it.
You are not alone, My father is the same way. He has many storage buildings rented to store just junk, he even had a huge building built just to store junk, it is now so full that there are just trails to get around.
I feel for you. My parent's home is very cluttered, perhaps not as bad as what I see here, but almost as bad, and getting there one day. My parents just don't like to get rid of things, my mom buys too much nonsense, and they both take in all the property from their deceased parents. That has added on a LOT in the past 10 years. Good luck helping your dad. Give to goodwill when you can.
I think you are a jerk. Instead of spending time taping, help him. Sell your motorcycles, computers, and everything else he has given you and hire him a maid.
sicofphoneys 3 months ago 2
Are you kidding?? Your sweet Dad has his laundry all neatly folded, CLEAN in piles, just gotta put in dressar or closet! I have A FUCKING MOUNTAIN of clean laundry sitting on my laundry table, waiting for me to EVEN FOLD THE SHIT!!!! I said forget that, and read a book instead, today.....This is small stuff that does not even matter in the big scheme of things in life!! Trust me! There will always be more laundry!! WHO CARES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
giaisbomb 4 months ago
If you could show him by doing what you're talking about, taking a sack and sorting while you watch tv... If he sees someone doing this often enough his could have a new picture in his mind. It might help him if he consistently sees someone doing it. Remember, this is a layer of insulation for some people to protect them from what is really bothering them, maybe you need to see if something else is really bothering him.
jonssweetlady 7 months ago
This is not hoarding.
TeacherTudi 8 months ago
there is nothing there i've seen worse
pathj1 8 months ago
your dad probably needs sopme love in his life...
nikkiidaniels 11 months ago
That's not hoarding! That's just some clutter :/
Kookoocachu 1 year ago
Let me understand this---this is your Dad's house. You have your own place? Cuz you have other video saying you are a hoarder. So if you are a hoarder also, why are you complaining your Dad is a slob?????
giaisbomb 1 year ago
@giaisbomb Like father like son HOARDERS HAHAHA
fan80sgirl 1 year ago
@fan80sgirl ====HAHAHAHAHA!!! Thanks for the fucking GOOD LAUGH, Liebchette---Anyways, BITCH-ASS PUNK is complaining his sweet DAD has 3 vaccuum cleaners, and reason why? I say, WHY doesn't Bitch pick up one, start fucker up, and start cleaning??? WHAT is mother-fucker's problem??? He can't help out????
giaisbomb 1 year ago
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AlucardZero 1 year ago
you moron thats not the home of a hoarder,he just has difficulty with organization...btw,i agree with the others,you dont like it?get the fuck out
1C7Z3H5X 1 year ago
this house is nothing compared to many others out there where there is so much crap, there only a single path barely wide enough for a single person to walk on in any given area in the house, and the piles are very very very very high.
grandplans 1 year ago
seriously, how does this help your father?
Offer to help him clean up, and I would like to see your bedroom.
Theses papers may be junk to you, but are probably bills he paid and school reports about you.
anyway.................
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lilrubyshoes 1 year ago
@lilrubyshoes ====HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
giaisbomb 1 year ago
I have seen a LOT worse than your dad's place. WHERE was your dad while you were snooping through his house? I think you are an ungrateful bastard. Just my opinion.
iodine1949 1 year ago
@iodine1949 ====LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!!!! Why doesn't this punk help his Dad?
giaisbomb 1 year ago
I wouldn't say "hoarding" - I would say slob and lazy.
trinketbox1 1 year ago
ummm a bit disorganized, and not very hygenic.....but hes not that bad
coldplays179 1 year ago
your father must be very lonely
jetaju 1 year ago
Orbisec what have YOU done to HELP your Dad? besides walking around with your New Camera showing your Fathers buisiness online?How old is your father now?how old are You Bet you will be real happy if you get HIS Home when he is gone! how about helping clean up for your Father or make him a thank you for raising me dinner? that way YOU can set the table.....
StormCloud511 1 year ago
@StormCloud511 ===No doubt!!
giaisbomb 1 year ago
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giaisbomb 1 year ago
not the worst I have seen. looks like he does make a lot of effort to keep it somewhat organized and not filthy. seems your mother is gone now. it may be his loss that keeps him hanging on to his junk. really though, not as bad as it could be as far as hoarding. his effort my mean you are having an affect on him. maybe you should study why people hoard, and then help him go through the stuff.
bassbugg7 1 year ago
how is this the boys business? not it is his dads house.
bitemypillow 2 years ago
by the way, you really need to throw out those sitting computer monitors out as soon as possible. They are very high on radiation and will severely affect your health.
olesya71 2 years ago
yes, he clearly has a problem. I am fighting with this problem myself. It is a never ending battle. I think going through stuff and sorting what's needed and what's not, will not really help. You need to rent a dumster and throw EVERYTHING out, and then start a fresh. I think that's the only solution.
olesya71 2 years ago
You sound like a very consciencious loving organized individual.
...and your Dad sounds like he is a man who finds value in everything. I think that finding value in all things is a human quality that has great value in our culture. Perhaps you (we all could) could see value in these items rather than garbaging them. Post consumer paper fibers, organics, metals, glass and plastics are all post consumer natural resource. Garbage is the myth.
gaiagale 2 years ago
@gaiagale
Lets develop systems for identifying and dealing with these natural resources rather than "throwing them away"
Incidently where is away?
...these natural resources are valuable commodities today and have been for years but there are people who have been hiding this truth to their advantage. We as consumers could be putting money back into our own pockets.
Just a thought : )
gaiagale 2 years ago
@gaiagale ===I know, I wonder about our landfills?? These hoarding tv shows---they throw out everything in big dumpsters or garbage trucks. Nothing is getting recycled! If it was, I'm sure they would point that out!
giaisbomb 1 year ago
not bad at all compared to the HEAVY homes with shit all over. dude your dad isnt saving old diapers and garbage..some do....
doberfag 2 years ago 6
I love Peter Walsh's book!
kimiwtx 2 years ago
Whats the differents between a hoarder and just a badly clutter apt?
dinadanna 2 years ago
no one knows the difference yet. This disorder is still being invesgtigated.
olesya71 2 years ago
Thanks!! Pray for me that I get busy and start cleaning and de-clutter my apt, cuz I don't want t o die like this, I really don't.
knowledgeispowerfful 2 years ago
I am keeping you in my prayers and I am praying to God to give you the strength. Just don't try to de-clutter everything right away! It's not going to last long if you do. A "shock" theray is not the best way here. A gradual change will lead to longer lasting results. Give yourself some time, & make a change gradually. Also, throw everything out, needed & not needed. If you throw out some important paper - it is not going to kill you. Sorting through the stuff will overwhelm you. Keep in touch!
olesya71 2 years ago
@olesya71 ===I remember being SO overwhelmed and FILLED with anxiety about sorting thru boxes. Just gotta do it, you can cure yourself.
giaisbomb 1 year ago
It's depressing and embarrassing for the children so why don't parents clean it up? Why? ... because the parents are not thinking about their children, they are only thinking of their bond with the junk and how the junk pleases them and brings them pride of posession. It's a sickness and can't be cured so don't go to their home, but invite them to yours where they can come see what the top of a table looks like.
HatRatt 2 years ago
I divorced in 2000 because of this very same thing. The pictures of house were the same as in my house (eerily similar) but not only was the pictures similar but the voice of the young man speaking is so similar to what my son says. My son now keeps a "blank house" as he calls it. It is one where you see nothing out on a table, on the floor, on a counter and nothing hanging on the walls... just blank. My house is not quite like that.
HatRatt 2 years ago
I don't know if somebody has already mentioned this, but on the clutter-hoarding scale (yes, there is a scale to measure chronic disorganization) your father seems at worst a 2 (out of 4. He is nowhere near 4). Google "clutter hoarding scale" to read the whole thing. He needs a professional organizer who specializes in chronic disorganization; your efforts to help, while well-intentioned, will probably increase his anxiety and actually make it harder for him to deal w/ the clutter.
kimiwtx 2 years ago
However, Orbisec made a very good point and they is, why not organize the things that are needed and get rid of the rest.
HatRatt 2 years ago
If the person is a hoarder that's just about the worst thing you can do. For one thing, it won't last, because it won't change the hoarding behavior. And for another, it's intensely distressing to the hoarder, because you're basically throwing away parts of that person (in their mind). It will increase their anxiety, often leading to an increase in the severity of the behavior. A professional can work with the hoarder to change thinking and behavior, in addition to helping w/ organization.
kimiwtx 2 years ago
kim, what causes a person to become a hoarder? If by throwing away the things "you are throwing away parts of that person" then that person has integrated the things into his life in such a way that he is dependant on those things. How does that happen? Dose he turn to things because he has no people support? He gets no value from the people around him therefore he turns to things? Maybe he was treated as an object? I would like to get the the heart of this as I have 4 relatives who hoard
HatRatt 2 years ago
I'm a hoarder. People hoard for different reasons. For one insecurity. A fear that if you loose an item you loose the memory attached to it. You should read "it's all too much" by peter walsh. He describes the real reasons behind peoples hoarding. and it is designed for you to clean your own house but also how to talk to a hoarder.
thiskidglows 2 years ago
Being a hoarder affects quality of life. Having themess make one more insecure. Loose the memory? If I "loose" the memory, I wouldn't know that I had lost it. But that is why I held onto some things, then I realiz I can see the same thing at an antique store (or a picture) and get the same memory. Some of my hoarding was an excuse for just plopping things down and not putting them away or throwing them away. Let it go now and feel better. You will let it go eventually. What's important?
HatRatt 2 years ago
@thiskidglows I don't feel like I'm a hoarder, but my apt is very cluttered to the point where I don't bring people over. Whats the different between a hoarder and just having a clutter apt.
dinadanna 2 years ago
Being a hoarder is (in my opinion) when you can't let go of objects for whatever reason. not that things are out of place. Also when there is more things than you have room for ie bursting closets. no place to put things, keeping more than your means. Clutter can turn into that possibly. Are you wiling to let go of the things you have? could you go through and "trash" a lot of it and you're just too lazy or disorganized or do you feel you might need most of it or don't want to throw it out?
thiskidglows 2 years ago
Sorry I didn't respond sooner. I think part of the issue is probably functionality. Can you still get to all your appliances and do they function? Can you use your rooms for their intended purposes or are they completely lost to clutter? Is your clutter a safety issue, blocking exits etc? Somebody else here recommended Peter Walsh's book "It's All Too Much": and I'd second that recommendation, it's a great book with a lot of insight and practical advice. Best of luck to you!
kimiwtx 2 years ago
Watch the Hoarders TV shows on TLC and A and E.I guess you could be a Hoarder 2.
HattieLovesCattie 2 years ago
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backinthehole 2 years ago
Again, it's a matter of organising stuff and not being too lazy to throw things out that one really doesn't need anymore...
Eirene001 2 years ago
Hoarding (chronic disorganization in general, really) is not a laziness issue. It is a mental health issue.
A messy house can certainly be a laziness issue; however, the obvious patterns in what this man's father is accumulating suggest his problem, while perhaps not severe enough to be considered "hoarding" (yet) goes beyond simple "mess."
kimiwtx 2 years ago
@kimiwtx could you please explain more in detail when you say hoarding is a mental health issue? My apt is very cluttered, and I must admit that I went through a deep state of depression, but my apt was a little clutter before the depression, and became more clutter after. I don't feel like I have a mental problem, or that I'm a hoarder. Help me out with what you think could be going on.
dinadanna 2 years ago
whoever made this video should be beaten... hes picking on his dad and being a little pussy boy. so its not perfect so what WHHHHAAAAA!!! what a baby!! help your old man out you asshole.. I GREW UP WITH A REAL HORDER.. this is just a bitching son
2boddah 2 years ago
omg. my parents house is like this but in a lot of ways theirs is worse. Theirs is like your dads basement, everywhere in the house. and their garage is what you said your dads used to look like- shit piled chest high (and in many places, higher) [. Makes me sick and they just don't get it.
TheLuckyGadget 2 years ago
@TheLuckyGadget Are you ever gonna help them clean up their mess?
HattieLovesCattie 2 years ago
to be honest, i don't think it's as bad as you think. a lot of the stuff is kept in neat piles, and the clutter on the various tables would take a few hours to sort out. why not let your dad off the hook? it's his stuff, let him enjoy it. it's certainly not as bad as some literally life-endangering examples you can see on youtube. chill out!!
shojinryori 2 years ago
Seeing this messy house,I wonder how those " hoarders " pay their utility bills on time?I'm sure they've lost bills in their pig stys.
HattieLovesCattie 2 years ago
Thank you Orbisec for taking the time to video your fathers clutter/hoarding. I just discovered that I'm a hoarder/clutterer myself about 3 weeks ago and am trying like hell to de-clutter/de-hoard.
I didn't realize the gravity of the situation and believe that the task is much too big to tackle. But I believe that my quality of life is at stake and I must continue to de-hoard/de-clutter.
Thank you for posting this vital and necessary videot. One of the better ones. God Bless you.
vlaty 2 years ago
9:12 "He thinks he's gonna take aaaallll of this SHIT and..." LOL!!!!!!!
Ur so cute...and i feel your pain, I do. I grew up with a hoarding parent and learned to be that way myself until my thirties, when my mom (who was the hoarder) and my aunt (who became one too late in life) both passed away within a few years of each other, and it took me MONTHS....MONTHS to deal with their estates and stuff.
kibbitznbitz 2 years ago
I had to even quite my JOB and it cost me dearly in every area of my life, personally and professionally and financially...and that was the straw that broke the camels back. I was CURED from that time on of my own hoarding...and I have been purging my own stuff as we speak today..and came in to rest and watch OTHER people doing the same!!! You may not be able to change your dad, but thank God you realize the problem and didnt carry it into your own life!!
kibbitznbitz 2 years ago
my dad's 74. he has been hoarding forever. if i get rid of stuff he yells and makes me feel stupid. he's very abusive. if i do nothing my other family makes me feel stupid. i am inbetween.
reddreds1 2 years ago
Your father and family clearly have problems.I'd just stay away for awhile.Stop feeling guilty and letting others blame you.
HattieLovesCattie 2 years ago
Make them go and deal with it if their so bloody concerned. What do they want you to do? Wave your magic wand! Cut them all a key each, and tell them they should call by for a visit.
JollyMunkie 2 years ago
Our son has a ton of car parts stored at our house. We also have one of his cars. At one time we had two vehicles of his here. I can't even use one corner of our yard because of the car parts he has accumulated. Orbisec, deal with the stuff that is yours in your dad's house. It's your responsibility.
Laurieb2851 2 years ago
your father is not bad yet . as he gets older it will get worse . if your brother was not there your father would be worse . your dad has ADD . he wants to organize but he can't .there are so many things going on he just puts every thing to the side and never gets to them . so the shit builds up because he never gets to it . now he does not know where to start .
viciousbill 2 years ago
I completely agree. You can't just skim over the stuff and call it junk either - especially when it comes to papers. You can bet there are some important papers in the middle of it, but who knows where. It is a matter of not getting to it and putting it aside. I would suggest that if this son acknowledges some of it was his - then he should take the initiative to deal with it.
Laurieb2851 2 years ago
Those who say your dad is not hoarding are in denial themselves.You need better understanding yourself. Time during commercials is not the answer. Professional help is. I will also bet your father has a touch of A.D.D. I hope he is young enough that he can still respond to help.
I notice someting similar between your dad's house and my mother's - Vaccum cleaners. Image that. They have this desire to be clean, but CAN NOT. Please study the affliction and sympathize. Good luck to your father.
7131949 2 years ago
You have really good common sense. I mean the part about how a person could make significant progress within a month or so just by sorting through paper and other things during commercial breaks. The problem is that there is a lack of rationality and logic with people who suffer from this condition. You are not alone. Many people have loved ones who are similar to your father. Some are worse. Good luck with encouraging him to do better!
jennyg2007 2 years ago
it's very cluttered and it's not normal at all, but i don't think your dad is quite at the "hoarding" level. my sister and I actually grew up through our mom's hoarding problem and be thankfull you didint' have to deal with our parents!
msmeltzer 2 years ago
You are not alone, Orbisec. My mom is worse. Unfortunately, she will have a fit and go into a deeper depression if we try to throw away or give away anything. We currently have two bedrooms that cannot be used as bedrooms-- one of which is my mom's bedroom. I pray everyday for my mom.
ankstarr 2 years ago
It isn't as easy as you think. Your dad needs some help.....in many areas including an organizer. How about getting him some help. Grab trash bag yourself and clean up the garbage.
MP99312 2 years ago
Cleaned up, this place would be a really cool split-level home. I love those 1970's-era split levels. Wish I lived in one that nice.
Cadillacjack01 2 years ago
It seems like your dad is running out of living space! People have said it's not as bad as other cases, but it could be if given enough time with no attention to the problem...I send positive thoughts to you and your dad - at this point he probably feels overwhelmed by all of it and doesn't know where to start. Some people actually have a fear of throwing stuff away, too! Good luck!
sonadorhermosa 2 years ago
I am going through 40 years of my husband's accumulations. He is now unable to do this himself because of illness. My parents grew up during the Depression. My in-laws suffered through WW2 in Europe. Many people of those times in our history felt compelled to save everything. Clutter and hoarding drains one of potential and creativity. My best to you and anyone who has to deal with someone who is a hoarder. Read up on this and try to understand the psychology behind hoarding.
jeweleegirl 2 years ago
wow. my dad has 3 computer monitors, many many feel of random telephone wire hanging in huge coils in the basement...the scraps of paper all over the computer...we own about 4 vaccums, one works, a second kind of works... my dad can fix everything and I think that's where the problem starts. The collecting of parts to create the master machine that will never be made... I recently threw out about 5 huge garbage bags filled with old junk. 3 more bags and a fishtank to Goodwill...
i12jump 2 years ago
I like very much the comments made at 9:00 to 9:50
GilliganOX 3 years ago
for my Aunt I donated 89 golf bags and over 44 sewing machines ........so far. I think over 100 sewing machines were donated before I started helping!
GilliganOX 3 years ago
Some earlier posts stated this isn't hoarding, which is absolutely wrong. Just because the house here is larger and can hold more debris doesn't mean that keeping so many useless items isn't hoarding. OCD hoarding isn't defined by how bad it looks to outsiders. I encourage Orbisec to get help for his father before the situation becomes even more out of control, which happens as those suffering from OCD get older. Good luck and thanks for posting!
norasee 3 years ago
Wow, I'd be doing backflips if my Dad's house was this clean! Sure he has room for improvement, but as a packrat he is just starting.....my parents can't even see or enter their kitchen! They haven't been able enter their kitchen for 5-10 years! Not TV watching, but playing your favorite music while working will make it easier.
GilliganOX 3 years ago 5
Holy crap, do they eat nothing but takeout if they can't get to the kitchen?
sonadorhermosa 2 years ago
@GilliganOX ===BACKFLIPS!!! HAHAHA!! If this dude thinks this is hoarding---maybe he himself has OCD--clean freak. this ain't even bad at all!!!!
giaisbomb 1 year ago
@giaisbomb Are you stupid? If you cant park a car in the garage thats fucking hoarding. My dad has the same shit and its bad. I dont want to bring friends over anymore since theres junk everywhere.
AlucardZero 1 year ago
@AlucardZero ===No, are you fucking stupid?? Pick on the rest of the people here who also say they've seen worse on videos or shows. If you don't like bringing your fucking asshole friends over to your Dad's house----GET YOUR OWN FUCKING APARTMENT LOSER!!!!! FUCK YOU....LEAVE ME ALONE BITCH.
giaisbomb 1 year ago
@giaisbomb I'm 17 and in highscool, LOSER! You think i can get my own apartment? Ever think about that?
AlucardZero 1 year ago
@AlucardZero ====FUCKFACE====I had my own apartment at 17 years old, LOSER! GET FUCKED MOTHER-FUCKER!!!!!! Ever think about that???
giaisbomb 1 year ago
@giaisbomb Yeah, I dont have enough money for that dipshit.
AlucardZero 1 year ago
@giaisbomb I dont sell enough weed to have an apartment.
AlucardZero 1 year ago
@AlucardZero You´re a loser now and you will always be for the rest of your stupid life, I feel sorry for your Daddy.
fan80sgirl 1 year ago
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giaisbomb 1 year ago
@giaisbomb HAHAHA, so would I, he is a big Zero and will always be, probably knows himself already cuz of the username. Will never be able to have an own apartment or house, born as a loser, die as a loser.
fan80sgirl 1 year ago
@fan80sgirl ===LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!! DAMN BABY!!!! Read comment down here lower. Funny! Someone tells whoever made this video he might think it's garbage, but probably important papers and bills your DAD paid FOR YOU!!! LOL!!!!
giaisbomb 1 year ago
@fan80sgirl ====Maybe punk kid will be found dead under a huge pile of papers or piles of junk and crap, bitch-ass PUNK is complaining about, at his Dad's house. MOVE OUT
giaisbomb 1 year ago
@fan80sgirl wtf are you talking about? Are you some fat bitch that comes around insulting people? yeah, my dad has a problem, deal with it. Im still in school and ill live here until I move out. Like i said I AM STILL IN HIGH SCHOOl. HIGH SCHOOl. HIGH SCHOOL. HIGHHH SCHOOOOL. You know what that means? The only job i can get will get me a studio apartment in some jackasses's basement. I'd rather live here.
AlucardZero 1 year ago
@AlucardZero Hey I'm Hollander, we are not fat like you Americans, so don't you also judge. You should help your dad instead of complaining, get off your fat lazy ass!
fan80sgirl 1 year ago
@fan80sgirl ----FAT AMERICANS......LAUGH OUT FUCKING LOUD......
giaisbomb 4 months ago
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@AlucardZero Grow up before you call other people stupid and get your own place!
fan80sgirl 1 year ago
Im triying to not hoard in my house. Help my mother the other day to reorganice the kitchen and give away the things we dont needed. My room was a little trashed in time to time, but one sister helps me to clean. Sometimes is just apathy to keep the things in place. Good luck with your father.
Lex60 3 years ago
our dads probably feel one day they will need this stuff...that down comfortable looks comfty tho
MissJudah 3 years ago
I just wanted to say I can relate. My mother was not this way until long after we had all grown up and moved out. We finally got her out of a large house, went through all of the stuff ourselves, which was much worse than what you've shown. I'm talking dumpsters, dum truckss, bon fires, dozens of trash bags, etc.
It probably seems too incredibly overwhelming to your father. Best wishes. Check out Children of Hoarders website.
Anglofilly 3 years ago
Your father's house isn't that bad, I've seen worse cases of hoarding. Thankfully he's not living in squalor but his cluttering problem could grow into full-blown hoarding if he doesn't get help. You advice of decluttering papers during commercials is a very good idea. Broken electronics should all be tossed, nobody is going to fix those. Good luck.
kataisa3 3 years ago
i really really really hate hoarding....its so annoying.
TSXboy26 3 years ago
My pops is the same way. I showed him youtube videos of hoarding & it somehow made him angry @ me and the rest of my family for trying to get him help. I dont know what to do but it has cause me and my family much stress.
Bankrollsmith 3 years ago
Just a gentle suggestion, hire a professional organizer for your dad to come in and prioritize his house. the guy that does the show on TLC, Peter whatshisname does this for a living. Help yourself, help him.
LeslieMomma 3 years ago
And re: how not to become this, you have to understand some things about life:
that you can't consume more than you produce (without being a parasite), and realize that by definition, "over-economizing" is lazyness.
fryingsok 3 years ago
Dude my dad's house is way worse. It sucks, but then I don't pay rent.
fryingsok 3 years ago
Ugh just like my father. I'm really sorry. :/
Acerbitas 3 years ago
yes this looks like a good beginning to a bigger problem , how does he react when you throw stuff out? Thats the question.....
hejira33312 3 years ago
My pops reacts by finding out who did threw his valuable crap away and cursing them out.He has went as far as threats of violence and calling the police on his own family.
Bankrollsmith 3 years ago
This is not hoarding. Just messy. Can't YOU help him?
tonimuck 3 years ago 2
My dads shit isnt this bad but the basement garage his room and computer room arent even recognizable, and this shit is seriuos when its been going on for so long. I want to have him committed to a mental health facility.
Bankrollsmith 3 years ago
i used to have that same desk from the 80s!
luvschris 3 years ago
This is clutter but not hoarding dude. Check out Dr. Phil.
gypsianna 3 years ago
No.Hoarding is hoarding weather its animals, papers and boxes or food. Anyway it goes its unwanted crap and if that person collecting it cant realize it then they need professional help.
Bankrollsmith 3 years ago
I recommend psychotherapy. There is obviously a serious problem here, that being that you're obsessed with your dad's life. Get a life of your own and quit whining. As hoarding goes this is nothing.
muldrake 3 years ago 2
I don't even know why this video is on youtube under Hoarding????
You really don't have that much stuff. You have no idea what a real packrat house is.
You attitude is good! Keep it up!
I hope you become a MINIMALIST.
Do we really need more than 100 items to live our life?
Everyone knows what they would spend their lottery winnings on------as for me, I would buy my Dad a 10,000 sq. foot warehouse, with space to build a 2nd one.
GilliganOX 3 years ago
Unfortunately this may just be a beginning. I would recommend psychotherapy for yourself starting now, before you have a problem. It might be hard to believe but my aunt's home was 100 times worse, no exagerating. You couldn't see the sofa or bed much less get anywhere near it, you couldn't see the stairs & the path through the house was 2' - 3' high, squashed down, the surrounding areas were 5' - 6' high. I'm 5'4" & I could touch the ceiling.
Good luck, work it out for yourself now.
Stella215a 3 years ago
I've watched all your videos as I inherited my grandmothers clutter and am horrified to realise I have started to become a hoarder.
You have every good reason to worry about yourself and I admire the fact you are fighting against your tendency to fill your life with stuff.
Good luck, Orbisec, and thanks for posting.
kiwikatipo 4 years ago 3
Wow.. My Mom is the opposite She is a neat freak.. If we go over for dinner she is clearing off the table before we are even finished eating. But me, my brother and my sister all are clutter bugs.. odd huh.
GuildOfAbundance 4 years ago
I would strongly recommend that you take pictures of areas that seem to be getting worse. Then take a picture of the same place every few months. You need to DOCUMENT that the place is getting worse, otherwise he won't see it.
MessoftheHouse 4 years ago
You are not alone, My father is the same way. He has many storage buildings rented to store just junk, he even had a huge building built just to store junk, it is now so full that there are just trails to get around.
suzys911 4 years ago
If your Dad married my Mom the doors in that nice house would never be able to open.
Rocketman16 4 years ago
I feel for you. My parent's home is very cluttered, perhaps not as bad as what I see here, but almost as bad, and getting there one day. My parents just don't like to get rid of things, my mom buys too much nonsense, and they both take in all the property from their deceased parents. That has added on a LOT in the past 10 years. Good luck helping your dad. Give to goodwill when you can.
PragueVlogg 4 years ago