Every argument you give for Christianity have also been presented for Islam. Islam has the advantage in that al-Qu'ran has not been edited thousands of times as the Christian texts have.
All this video proves is that you've failed to analyse other faiths claims and arguments and have simply done as you implied, chosen one at random (not quite random, I imagine your culture, location, and upbringing has a lot to do with it) and then disregarded all the rest without study.
@DieudonneSeal The kalam cosmological argument, for example, is consistent with the existence of Allah as you rightly point out. To make the the step to Christianity we turn to the life, miracles, and teachings of Jesus. Though the Bible has in a sense been edited, textual criticism has been able to peer back through the editing process to restore the original text. My culture does not care about God and I was not brought up to be a Christian, by the way.
This is why the world needs the cristians and Atheists because if we were all the same there would be chaos so i respect the athiests however i am a cristian and you can try to prove me wrong but i wont care il keep my religion out of your face if you keep your science out of mine
@MrHobiecat The Bible itself says that there are gaps in the genealogies. Moreover it is not explicitly stated that Adam was created immediately after the creation of the earth and the rest of the biosphere. So you are not treating the text fairly. Conclusions based on faulty interpretations are themselves faulty.
@evangelical1 it does NOT say that. It SPECIFICALLY calls out the names of father => Son, Father =>, Father => son from adam to abraham in the old testiment, and even says how old each father was when the next in line son was born, so you can nail down the timeline exactly from adam to abraham.
the new testiment has two DIFFERENT geneologys for jesus, going back to adam, which puts jesus 77 generations after the first human.
@evangelical1 and if there is any question as to what genesis means by 'one day', the ten commandments make if perfectly clear, that you shall work for 6 DAYS and rest on the 7th DAY.. WHY? Because god created the world in six DAYS and rested on the 7th DAY.
Not 6 thousand years, not 6 million years, the penaly for working on a saturday was death by stoning, they were SERIOUS about this
and they were TOTALLY WRONG, killing people for stupid mythology violations.
@MrHobiecat You need to interpret creation in light of the Bible as a whole. If you isolate one verse in Exodus 20, you aren't doing that. Also, who says the days have to be consecutive?
@evangelical1 if someone else had snarfed your video and slowed it down to make it look like you are drunk and/or a WiiTard, you would be screaming bloody murder
@ltaicagunes Christianity professes Jesus rose from the dead. Islam denies that. These are central claims of two religions and they could not be more diametrically opposed.
and yeshu will save your life if you belive in him.. there will come many .. and no peace.. first the decieving.. and then if u stay with yehshu and DO NOT BELIVE IN THE DECIEVERS than u will see what's happening =)
belive me.. they wanna decieve me too men.. i am your proof.. let me be the one who tell you in the name of ישוע that they tried to decieve me haaard and badly.. but now .. i'm still praying to Ḡòḍ and belive in ישוע
I believe that the higher levels of consciousness offered by meditation, prayer, saying grace etc are valuable, however, they don't provide insight into the objective world. Any subjective experience that causes you to love your neighbor and treat others well is a good thing. But the Christian obsession with homosexuality shows that it is an imperfect morality. Regarding divinity all religions offer no evidence and rely on stories from a violent period of history that have limited modern use.
@Dawhitegangstagrl Religion = lies repeated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over since you were born. If you were born a Muslim, would you have converted to Christianity?
[BLANK] + [BLANK] = christianity. work the problem, also the bible was re:writen by ceasar, or so I have been told. I have also been told the only waay I will get into "heaven" is by taking jesus into my heart as "my lord and savior", well I dont think I can be saved by a death thousands of years ago maybe the people of that time but not us today. but solve the problem I gave you sir. btw I'm not an athiest
@wyattb995 Well, some people think Constantine censored the Bible. I suppose he was a Ceasar too. With men, your salvation is not possible on the basis of one man's death thousands of years ago. But with God all things are possible. Not sure what your original problem means. Could you spell out your point more clearly?
@evangelical1 I think his point was if there was a god that wanted you to know,love, worship him or anything like that, then it seems like it would directly manifest to every person in a way that is impossible to misinterpret,miss, or ignore. It wouldn't need written word to deliver its message to everyone. On a side note requiring written documentation would give people the chance to corrupt gods word. If he is omnipotent he could create us already having the whole bible memorised .
I wish all the haters understood that they only agitate the situation. People are like treasure chests. One must be tactical and diplomatic in order to come to agreement.
As long as one side of an argument is not powerful enough to completely stop all other sides of an argument, and stop what people want to do and achieve.
stop arguing over religion. how fucking long is it going to take before people realize that it will never be proven and its a worthless battle that causes all the wars in the world. why the fuck are you unable to see that you will never, EVER convince somebody that your religion is better than theirs. grow the fuck up and stop already. the world is going to end soon because of religion. look at the wars today in the world, all because of religion. believe what you want and shut the fuck up
@Bbfishman {believe what you want and shut the fuck up}
That's a very immature stance. 'Arguing' is not a bad thing -- its how people discern the truth. Lots of people change their stance and convictions because of it.
{grow the fuck up and stop already}
Time for you to take your own advice. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen and take your pacifier with you.
@mindprism The "debate" that you speak of, has been going on since the beginning of time. Where has it gotten us? Whos winning this debate? Will there ever be a winner of the debate? Whose religion is the best? Whose religion is better?....These are all questions that are irrelevant to everyday life, yet they are the exact reasons that we have wars and conflict in the world. So please, please enlighten me on what I'm missing out on by not debating(violently arguing) about religion.
@Bbfishman Well I would say that the debate will be continual too, every new generation gets its indoctrination.
But I don't think the fall of the power of the church would have happened without debate- this is natural. The enlightenment didn't 'just happen'.
I think a lot of people are seeking shelter in religion and we are going backwards at the moment due to loss in faith in our secular govt model, and multiculturalism.
@AbortedCannibalTOM I certainly appreciate the kind tone of your comments! While it is true that people often believe the same thing as their culture we should not overgeneralize. There are at least two people who did not follow the ways of their parents. You in rejecting Catholocism and me in rejecting apatheism. Also, if we want something to be true really strongly and are under social pressures to accept it, that does not, in and of itself, make it false. That would commit the genetic fallacy
It's funny you use a Muslim argument for proof of Christianity ......The Kalām argument was named after the Kalām tradition of Islamic discursive philosophy through which it was first formulated. In Arabic, the word Kalām means "words, discussion, discourse."
This is obvious. If you're a christian, you dont believe in islam. If you're a hindu, you dont believe in christianity. If you're a buddhist you dont believe in judaism and so on. This is obvious, you cant believe in two religions at the same time. Its not arguable, t h i s i s o b v i o u s.
Wow. I really thought you had something better than this.
You do realize that there are other apologists in other religions who think exactly the same thing, don't you?
A good example is, as you mentioned, KCA, which is used by Muslims as evidence for their god just as often as Christians try to use it (and might make some headway if it hadn't been blown out of the water so many times already).
Well, even if we somehow came to the conclusion that there was a God, and we somehow ruled out every religion but Christianity, this definitely to resolve anything significant. It only raises the question, which flavor of Christianity is the right one? There are thousands of versions of Christianity, and none of them see eye to eye. Some say God is a Trinity. Others say he's not. Some say God tortures people. Some say that's not true. Some believe in evolution, some say the earth is young...
@anzwertree I'd be happy with what Lewis called mere Christianity or what Augustine called the invisible church. That is good enough for me. BTW no Christians has ever denied the Trinity.
@evangelical1 No Christian has ever denied the trinity? Ever heard of Michael Servetus? Oh, but he must have not be a "real Christian." No offense, but that was probably the most ignorant comment I've heard in a long time. It's so easy to dismiss others as "not Christian" because they do believe as you do. You're just as hyporcitical as JW's and other cults who pass judgment on others. Even if I did believe in God, I wouldn't believe in a trinity.
@anzwertree A Christian is by definition a follower of Christ. To follow Christ includes following His teachings. Amongst His teachings is the doctrine of the Trinity. So a true Christian by definition must accept the doctrine of the Trinity. BTW believing in a non-Triune God is self contradictory, so you may wish to rethink that last comment you made.
@evangelical1 The Trinity doctrine makes absolutely no sense. God who is his own son, sends himself to die, in order to redeem humankind from a rule he himself designed. He sends himself to be obedient to himself to die as a sacrifice. Since God couldn't die as God, he magically transformed himself into a human, but was still God in heaven only on earth as Jesus where he prayed to himself for strength. Yea... I've "rethought" it quite a bit, and it still sounds stupid
@anzwertree This is why you need to rethink things. Nothing that you've said here in describing Trinitarianism remotely resembles what actual Trinitarians really believe. Of course its easy to knock down a straw man. I did a series on the Trinity. Maybe you should watch that before we continue this line of dialogue so you know where I am comming from.
@evangelical1 Okay, I'll have a look. It seems not everyone sees the Trinity the same way. However, no one has yet to make any sense out of it. But I'll give it a shot and let you know on the last video
You aren't allowed to make logical arguments against mystryboxs videos. For one they are self refuting and any attempt to dismantle his arguments will get you blocked from posting there. But then, what else can that ass clown do after being proven wrong numerous times?
You didn't quite understand MystryBox video did you?
All or at least most religions are the same ideologically talking.
Refuting one religion by using arguments and the lack of evidence (atheist point of view) requires refuting the ideology of all religions (the existence of a god).
Refuting one religion without using arguments (theist point of view) is just a selfish action imposed by dogmatic thinking.
Why is it that those who failed to understand that evolution and statistical probability prove there is no Allah or Thor or Yahweh or whatever are statically more likely to look less evolved? There's a puzzle...
Why there is no god: gods would be more complicated than humans. Humans came into being from simple steps to much more complex ones because we are FAR to complicated to just come into existence as we are by luck. If a god were to exist, he'd be even more complicated than us... 2+2=__
@Truthiness231 Now, granted, a god could have came from an even older Universe (and keep in mind he would have to either have 1) no creator himself (thus evolution and living in a universe without a god to begin with is possible) or 2) another god created him (and now we're talking about "turtles all the way down")... but now we're just added completely ungrounded and silly steps to create a universe with a god using a god that came from a universe by evolution like we did...
aaah, i get it, instead of saying i dont know, you insert the word god. Ok, so god is dying, the more we learn. Right? so is god already dead or what?
Oh yeah, and good job to mystrybox for the original argument! I have had this exact thought myself many times, although not quite as eloquently articulated as by yourself! I think this argument is essentially flawless in itself, but relies too heavily upon the intellect and honesty of the deist involved.
Wow! I really hope that you never convert to atheism (or quit being a christian), because I would hate for some poor kid someplace to see you and think,"oh, no! that's an atheist?". I would much rather that you represent the other side of the coin. Basically I think you're just too stupid for science and reason and that is what makes you dependent upon god or jebus. Religion is the result of ignorance, plain and simple. Ignorance, can be, but is not in this case, due to the lack of knowledge.
As far as an argument for the existence of god based on evidence, is the deist argument. This is strictly non-religious they do not claim to know anything about "god" just that a god existing makes sense to them.
This is the most appropriate alternative to theism, as far as the guessing about god game goes. You cannot know anything about god you must rely on a book written by men no one alive has ever met.
Science also goes along with deism many scientists chose this over agnostic atheism.
why is there good reason to believe in christianity? there is absolutely no proof of the existence of god. the bible was put togter 400 years after jesus's death from a collection of stories that suited constantine at the time. In putting together the bible 92 versions were ignored that had conflicting information in them. In fact the 4 books of the nt conflict all over the place. This is the sign of a collection of urban legends
The resurrection of Jesus, a matter of history, is good reason to believe in Christianity. There are at least a dozen proofs of the existence of God. Liebnizean cosmological, Thomistic cosmological, Kalam cosmological, Biological Teleological, Physical Teleological, Anselmian Ontological, Modal Ontological, Axiological, and Psychological proofs all demonstrate that God exists and each of these has multiple variations. So no rational person can deny there is a God.
As for the Bible, the OT canon was established prior to the birth of Jesus. The NT cannon may have been recognised at a Nicean council organised by Constantine in 325 (less than 300 years after they were written) but they were written during the lifetime of Jesus' followers. The reason why 92 books (not versions) were not included was because they were written too long after the events they describe by non-eyewitnesses, who lied and claimed to be people long since dead. In addition they...
...contained teachings contrary to what the Church always beleived. Finally, the Church had rejected these texts, more or less, from day one (not 300 years later) as being non-biblical. The scriptures were available early on just not in a single volume. Constantine had nothing to do with the NT canon decision as he would not be born until at least two hundred years later. Everything I've said about the Bible itself is uncontroversial and a matter of history so you can check it out for yourself.
Not to mention that the authors of the books not put into the Bible were self-proclaimed that they were NOT inspired by God. For example the 11 books added into the Catholic Bible, are all self-admitted not to be God inspired. Not only that, they violate Revelations 22:18 "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book." God bless your ministry and keep spreading the truth.
um...... Just so you don't make the impression that you don't know what you're talking about..... NOT ONE SINGLE BOOK OF THE BIBLE WAS AUTHORED BY AN EYEWITNESS OF jebus' LIFE OR DEATH!!!!!
So you mean that Hindus are idiots to follow the religion. I'm a Hindu by birth BTW.
You reject Muslim because one man could have been lying. Then, you can't reject Hindusim, can you? 33 crore (330 million) Gods and so many people who have written religious books and all. Now beat that.
I think you may have just proved MystryBox's point. Claiming that the kalam cosmological argument is somehow evidence for the Christian god, but not evidence for Islam (which is, ironically, the original source of the argument) is a striking example of the very cognitive dissonance that MystryBox was referring to.
The kalam, in and of itself, is certainly consistent with the existence of Allah. Indeed, the God of kalam may be Allah, for all kalam says. Please do not put words into my mouth. And you are also right when you point to Muslims as the founders of kalam. No dispute on that point.
@evangelical1 the only evidence or historical facts that you mention are in the bible. And that is no proof at all. Its an old group of books written by men to try to control the rest of the people. Nothing more. If you say you believe in Jesus you should also believe in Horus... since the story of Jesus is a nice copy from the the story of Horus... Egiptian God of the sun. Same date of birth, 12 Deciples, died on the cross, resurected etc etc.
Your claims about mormonism are false. I recommend that before you takk crap on a religion you claim to not be christian (it is by the way) you actually learn about it. Send me a message some time or a video and i can explain why your wrong about mormonism. Thank you
OK - show me something that begun. The universe? Maybe, but we can only trace the universe back to the Planck length and the first law of thermodynamics states that matter can neither be created nor destroyed. So where is the beginning again?
I hate to rehash this with you again. But you asked, so here goes. The beginning, again, is exactly where Steven Hawking says it is (and you agreed he said this). Namely, the big bang singularity. I am not an astrophysicist and I presume you aren't either. We must rely on expert testimony. Steven Hawking is generally regarded as an expert when it comes to astrophysics. Presumably, he has no Christian bias clouding his judgement either. Premise 1 stands and kalam goes through. It is undeniable.
Beyond the Planck length this is purely mathematical (at the moment). However, once you get to a universe of zero dimensions what else to you call it apart from a beginning? In any case, this is everything we know of the universe compressed into zero space, which is far from nothing, so still no beginning. And when exactly did Hawkins throw away the first law?
Nice reply, thanks for the response. I'll think about what you said and respond in a bit... I'm not sure if I'll make a video response or just add comments to your video yet.
Every argument you give for Christianity have also been presented for Islam. Islam has the advantage in that al-Qu'ran has not been edited thousands of times as the Christian texts have.
All this video proves is that you've failed to analyse other faiths claims and arguments and have simply done as you implied, chosen one at random (not quite random, I imagine your culture, location, and upbringing has a lot to do with it) and then disregarded all the rest without study.
Regards,
Dieudonne
DieudonneSeal 2 months ago
@DieudonneSeal The kalam cosmological argument, for example, is consistent with the existence of Allah as you rightly point out. To make the the step to Christianity we turn to the life, miracles, and teachings of Jesus. Though the Bible has in a sense been edited, textual criticism has been able to peer back through the editing process to restore the original text. My culture does not care about God and I was not brought up to be a Christian, by the way.
evangelical1 2 months ago
This is why the world needs the cristians and Atheists because if we were all the same there would be chaos so i respect the athiests however i am a cristian and you can try to prove me wrong but i wont care il keep my religion out of your face if you keep your science out of mine
15VCfan 2 months ago
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Are you retarded!? You "feel" therefor its Truth? What? Your not serious?
tapesquare 4 months ago
The bible says a creator/god established the world and all life 77 generations before the time of jesus,
based on what we know about the universe and all life, the bible is not EVEN wrong, its totally absurd.
Nothing else needs to be said. If you want to base your life on absurd ancient mythology there MUST be something mentally wrong with you.
MrHobiecat 5 months ago
@MrHobiecat The Bible itself says that there are gaps in the genealogies. Moreover it is not explicitly stated that Adam was created immediately after the creation of the earth and the rest of the biosphere. So you are not treating the text fairly. Conclusions based on faulty interpretations are themselves faulty.
evangelical1 5 months ago
@evangelical1 it does NOT say that. It SPECIFICALLY calls out the names of father => Son, Father =>, Father => son from adam to abraham in the old testiment, and even says how old each father was when the next in line son was born, so you can nail down the timeline exactly from adam to abraham.
the new testiment has two DIFFERENT geneologys for jesus, going back to adam, which puts jesus 77 generations after the first human.
Its not EVEN wrong, its totally ABSURD!
MrHobiecat 5 months ago
@evangelical1 and if there is any question as to what genesis means by 'one day', the ten commandments make if perfectly clear, that you shall work for 6 DAYS and rest on the 7th DAY.. WHY? Because god created the world in six DAYS and rested on the 7th DAY.
Not 6 thousand years, not 6 million years, the penaly for working on a saturday was death by stoning, they were SERIOUS about this
and they were TOTALLY WRONG, killing people for stupid mythology violations.
MrHobiecat 5 months ago
@MrHobiecat You need to interpret creation in light of the Bible as a whole. If you isolate one verse in Exodus 20, you aren't doing that. Also, who says the days have to be consecutive?
evangelical1 5 months ago
the 3 frames per second video capture rate matches your mental capacity perfectly!
MrHobiecat 5 months ago
@MrHobiecat That is such a compelling argument I think I'll have to reconsider my position.
evangelical1 5 months ago
@evangelical1 if someone else had snarfed your video and slowed it down to make it look like you are drunk and/or a WiiTard, you would be screaming bloody murder
but you did it to yourself!
HAHAHAHHAHAHAAA!
MrHobiecat 5 months ago
@ltaicagunes Christianity professes Jesus rose from the dead. Islam denies that. These are central claims of two religions and they could not be more diametrically opposed.
evangelical1 6 months ago
Have fun in hell ya'llz!
iTzMyFancySauce 7 months ago
I am not quite good at English and I can't hear clearly when you pause and hesitate a lot. I hope to hear a good response. Can you post your script?
goatunnheim 7 months ago
check it out please.. /watch?v=jmyYAPeyfFY
and yeshu will save your life if you belive in him.. there will come many .. and no peace.. first the decieving.. and then if u stay with yehshu and DO NOT BELIVE IN THE DECIEVERS than u will see what's happening =)
belive me.. they wanna decieve me too men.. i am your proof.. let me be the one who tell you in the name of ישוע that they tried to decieve me haaard and badly.. but now .. i'm still praying to Ḡòḍ and belive in ישוע
ItalyStyler07 7 months ago
I believe that the higher levels of consciousness offered by meditation, prayer, saying grace etc are valuable, however, they don't provide insight into the objective world. Any subjective experience that causes you to love your neighbor and treat others well is a good thing. But the Christian obsession with homosexuality shows that it is an imperfect morality. Regarding divinity all religions offer no evidence and rely on stories from a violent period of history that have limited modern use.
jgonsalk 7 months ago
Religion+truth= Christianity
Dawhitegangstagrl 8 months ago
@Dawhitegangstagrl Religion = lies repeated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over since you were born. If you were born a Muslim, would you have converted to Christianity?
ahughejazz24 7 months ago
lame asshole
Libertarian44 8 months ago
I think you just proved MystryBox's argument.
Stevoukos 9 months ago
[BLANK] + [BLANK] = christianity. work the problem, also the bible was re:writen by ceasar, or so I have been told. I have also been told the only waay I will get into "heaven" is by taking jesus into my heart as "my lord and savior", well I dont think I can be saved by a death thousands of years ago maybe the people of that time but not us today. but solve the problem I gave you sir. btw I'm not an athiest
wyattb995 9 months ago
@wyattb995 Well, some people think Constantine censored the Bible. I suppose he was a Ceasar too. With men, your salvation is not possible on the basis of one man's death thousands of years ago. But with God all things are possible. Not sure what your original problem means. Could you spell out your point more clearly?
evangelical1 9 months ago
I liked how you presented your agrument in such a civil manner. That's hard to find when it comes to this type of subject matter.
RestlessMalevolance 10 months ago
@RestlessMalevolance Indeed!
evangelical1 10 months ago
I refuse to believe anything that requires suspension of logic and all religions I know do. Oh and also I am allergic to ignorance
hakaboy6924 11 months ago
Um... if you were never TAUGHT about your specific God, you would NEVER even know it existed... THINK ABOUT IT!!!!
augustmoon0004 11 months ago
@augustmoon0004 I think I can agree with this statement. Not sure the point you were trying to make though. Could you elaborate a bit, please?
evangelical1 11 months ago
@evangelical1 I think his point was if there was a god that wanted you to know,love, worship him or anything like that, then it seems like it would directly manifest to every person in a way that is impossible to misinterpret,miss, or ignore. It wouldn't need written word to deliver its message to everyone. On a side note requiring written documentation would give people the chance to corrupt gods word. If he is omnipotent he could create us already having the whole bible memorised .
fishtankbank 7 months ago
Tuh tuh tuh tuh tuh today junoir!
Airmanf7 11 months ago
I wish all the haters understood that they only agitate the situation. People are like treasure chests. One must be tactical and diplomatic in order to come to agreement.
90JohnDoe 11 months ago
-.- a muslim would say that islam has evidence and all others don't and that it all goes back to jesus
your argument fails completely
lordofpete 1 year ago
"Everything is true in a sense, false in a sense and meaningless in a sense"
Unfortunately, religion falls mostly in the final category for all practical purposes.
mindprism 1 year ago
As long as one side of an argument is not powerful enough to completely stop all other sides of an argument, and stop what people want to do and achieve.
All that matters to me.
tHecOmMeNtErSrEtUrN 1 year ago
stop arguing over religion. how fucking long is it going to take before people realize that it will never be proven and its a worthless battle that causes all the wars in the world. why the fuck are you unable to see that you will never, EVER convince somebody that your religion is better than theirs. grow the fuck up and stop already. the world is going to end soon because of religion. look at the wars today in the world, all because of religion. believe what you want and shut the fuck up
Bbfishman 1 year ago
@Bbfishman {believe what you want and shut the fuck up}
That's a very immature stance. 'Arguing' is not a bad thing -- its how people discern the truth. Lots of people change their stance and convictions because of it.
{grow the fuck up and stop already}
Time for you to take your own advice. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen and take your pacifier with you.
mindprism 1 year ago
@mindprism ok Mr high and mighty...you really understood what i was saying i see. you dont have a fucking clue
Bbfishman 1 year ago
@Bbfishman {you dont have a fucking clue}
1) You think that debate about religion is counterproductive
2) You think conflict in religious terms is a danger to world peace
3) You want everyone to 'shut the fuck up' about it
If there is something else I missed, feel free to let me know
mindprism 1 year ago
@mindprism The "debate" that you speak of, has been going on since the beginning of time. Where has it gotten us? Whos winning this debate? Will there ever be a winner of the debate? Whose religion is the best? Whose religion is better?....These are all questions that are irrelevant to everyday life, yet they are the exact reasons that we have wars and conflict in the world. So please, please enlighten me on what I'm missing out on by not debating(violently arguing) about religion.
Bbfishman 1 year ago
@Bbfishman Well I would say that the debate will be continual too, every new generation gets its indoctrination.
But I don't think the fall of the power of the church would have happened without debate- this is natural. The enlightenment didn't 'just happen'.
I think a lot of people are seeking shelter in religion and we are going backwards at the moment due to loss in faith in our secular govt model, and multiculturalism.
Little is solved by silence.
mindprism 1 year ago
@AbortedCannibalTOM I certainly appreciate the kind tone of your comments! While it is true that people often believe the same thing as their culture we should not overgeneralize. There are at least two people who did not follow the ways of their parents. You in rejecting Catholocism and me in rejecting apatheism. Also, if we want something to be true really strongly and are under social pressures to accept it, that does not, in and of itself, make it false. That would commit the genetic fallacy
evangelical1 1 year ago
hey evangelical1 look at this video "The Uniqueness of Christianity (legendado) " by philos71
S1nApS3 1 year ago
It's funny you use a Muslim argument for proof of Christianity ......The Kalām argument was named after the Kalām tradition of Islamic discursive philosophy through which it was first formulated. In Arabic, the word Kalām means "words, discussion, discourse."
mrgetrealpeople 1 year ago
This is obvious. If you're a christian, you dont believe in islam. If you're a hindu, you dont believe in christianity. If you're a buddhist you dont believe in judaism and so on. This is obvious, you cant believe in two religions at the same time. Its not arguable, t h i s i s o b v i o u s.
LarsTheHonest 1 year ago
Mystrybox owned you
srvfan04 1 year ago
whats on ur heart is what you believe period
heythisrocks 1 year ago
Wow. I really thought you had something better than this.
You do realize that there are other apologists in other religions who think exactly the same thing, don't you?
A good example is, as you mentioned, KCA, which is used by Muslims as evidence for their god just as often as Christians try to use it (and might make some headway if it hadn't been blown out of the water so many times already).
download333 1 year ago
You made enough of a try for my thumbs up.
movingtodie 1 year ago
@movingtodie Thanks!
evangelical1 1 year ago
Well, even if we somehow came to the conclusion that there was a God, and we somehow ruled out every religion but Christianity, this definitely to resolve anything significant. It only raises the question, which flavor of Christianity is the right one? There are thousands of versions of Christianity, and none of them see eye to eye. Some say God is a Trinity. Others say he's not. Some say God tortures people. Some say that's not true. Some believe in evolution, some say the earth is young...
anzwertree 1 year ago
@anzwertree I'd be happy with what Lewis called mere Christianity or what Augustine called the invisible church. That is good enough for me. BTW no Christians has ever denied the Trinity.
evangelical1 1 year ago
@evangelical1 No Christian has ever denied the trinity? Ever heard of Michael Servetus? Oh, but he must have not be a "real Christian." No offense, but that was probably the most ignorant comment I've heard in a long time. It's so easy to dismiss others as "not Christian" because they do believe as you do. You're just as hyporcitical as JW's and other cults who pass judgment on others. Even if I did believe in God, I wouldn't believe in a trinity.
anzwertree 1 year ago
@anzwertree A Christian is by definition a follower of Christ. To follow Christ includes following His teachings. Amongst His teachings is the doctrine of the Trinity. So a true Christian by definition must accept the doctrine of the Trinity. BTW believing in a non-Triune God is self contradictory, so you may wish to rethink that last comment you made.
evangelical1 1 year ago
@evangelical1 The Trinity doctrine makes absolutely no sense. God who is his own son, sends himself to die, in order to redeem humankind from a rule he himself designed. He sends himself to be obedient to himself to die as a sacrifice. Since God couldn't die as God, he magically transformed himself into a human, but was still God in heaven only on earth as Jesus where he prayed to himself for strength. Yea... I've "rethought" it quite a bit, and it still sounds stupid
anzwertree 1 year ago
@anzwertree This is why you need to rethink things. Nothing that you've said here in describing Trinitarianism remotely resembles what actual Trinitarians really believe. Of course its easy to knock down a straw man. I did a series on the Trinity. Maybe you should watch that before we continue this line of dialogue so you know where I am comming from.
evangelical1 1 year ago
@evangelical1 Okay, I'll have a look. It seems not everyone sees the Trinity the same way. However, no one has yet to make any sense out of it. But I'll give it a shot and let you know on the last video
anzwertree 1 year ago
You aren't allowed to make logical arguments against mystryboxs videos. For one they are self refuting and any attempt to dismantle his arguments will get you blocked from posting there. But then, what else can that ass clown do after being proven wrong numerous times?
xst68 1 year ago
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naddams 1 year ago
You didn't quite understand MystryBox video did you?
All or at least most religions are the same ideologically talking.
Refuting one religion by using arguments and the lack of evidence (atheist point of view) requires refuting the ideology of all religions (the existence of a god).
Refuting one religion without using arguments (theist point of view) is just a selfish action imposed by dogmatic thinking.
That's why his argument failed to convince you.
87eto 1 year ago
Horse pucky!
Inteligento 1 year ago
Mystrybox asked you to think about it. Try doing that before you make another response.
fearguis 1 year ago
Why is it that those who failed to understand that evolution and statistical probability prove there is no Allah or Thor or Yahweh or whatever are statically more likely to look less evolved? There's a puzzle...
Why there is no god: gods would be more complicated than humans. Humans came into being from simple steps to much more complex ones because we are FAR to complicated to just come into existence as we are by luck. If a god were to exist, he'd be even more complicated than us... 2+2=__
Truthiness231 1 year ago
@Truthiness231 Now, granted, a god could have came from an even older Universe (and keep in mind he would have to either have 1) no creator himself (thus evolution and living in a universe without a god to begin with is possible) or 2) another god created him (and now we're talking about "turtles all the way down")... but now we're just added completely ungrounded and silly steps to create a universe with a god using a god that came from a universe by evolution like we did...
Truthiness231 1 year ago
aaah, i get it, instead of saying i dont know, you insert the word god. Ok, so god is dying, the more we learn. Right? so is god already dead or what?
Multimorten 1 year ago
Thunderf00t, anyone? In a paralel universe? But Thunderf00t went through a time portal? To... clean up what evangelic work he did? No?
No I dont think so...
bangNL94 1 year ago
1:40 - 1:50
lol wtf? When is something neither true nor false?
Iknowamy 2 years ago
You COMPLETELY missed the point.
christo930 2 years ago 7
Mystry box didn't offer a proof but he was just making a point about
Your points that you use to support your proofs for your God are also used by all the other religions and their Gods.
jim6584 2 years ago
Oh yeah, and good job to mystrybox for the original argument! I have had this exact thought myself many times, although not quite as eloquently articulated as by yourself! I think this argument is essentially flawless in itself, but relies too heavily upon the intellect and honesty of the deist involved.
theincrediblesparky 2 years ago
Wow! I really hope that you never convert to atheism (or quit being a christian), because I would hate for some poor kid someplace to see you and think,"oh, no! that's an atheist?". I would much rather that you represent the other side of the coin. Basically I think you're just too stupid for science and reason and that is what makes you dependent upon god or jebus. Religion is the result of ignorance, plain and simple. Ignorance, can be, but is not in this case, due to the lack of knowledge.
theincrediblesparky 2 years ago
As far as an argument for the existence of god based on evidence, is the deist argument. This is strictly non-religious they do not claim to know anything about "god" just that a god existing makes sense to them.
This is the most appropriate alternative to theism, as far as the guessing about god game goes. You cannot know anything about god you must rely on a book written by men no one alive has ever met.
Science also goes along with deism many scientists chose this over agnostic atheism.
RealistAtheist 2 years ago
Deserve 5 stars. Good job
Tutreview 2 years ago
why is there good reason to believe in christianity? there is absolutely no proof of the existence of god. the bible was put togter 400 years after jesus's death from a collection of stories that suited constantine at the time. In putting together the bible 92 versions were ignored that had conflicting information in them. In fact the 4 books of the nt conflict all over the place. This is the sign of a collection of urban legends
amadain17 2 years ago
The resurrection of Jesus, a matter of history, is good reason to believe in Christianity. There are at least a dozen proofs of the existence of God. Liebnizean cosmological, Thomistic cosmological, Kalam cosmological, Biological Teleological, Physical Teleological, Anselmian Ontological, Modal Ontological, Axiological, and Psychological proofs all demonstrate that God exists and each of these has multiple variations. So no rational person can deny there is a God.
evangelical1 2 years ago
As for the Bible, the OT canon was established prior to the birth of Jesus. The NT cannon may have been recognised at a Nicean council organised by Constantine in 325 (less than 300 years after they were written) but they were written during the lifetime of Jesus' followers. The reason why 92 books (not versions) were not included was because they were written too long after the events they describe by non-eyewitnesses, who lied and claimed to be people long since dead. In addition they...
evangelical1 2 years ago
...contained teachings contrary to what the Church always beleived. Finally, the Church had rejected these texts, more or less, from day one (not 300 years later) as being non-biblical. The scriptures were available early on just not in a single volume. Constantine had nothing to do with the NT canon decision as he would not be born until at least two hundred years later. Everything I've said about the Bible itself is uncontroversial and a matter of history so you can check it out for yourself.
evangelical1 2 years ago
Not to mention that the authors of the books not put into the Bible were self-proclaimed that they were NOT inspired by God. For example the 11 books added into the Catholic Bible, are all self-admitted not to be God inspired. Not only that, they violate Revelations 22:18 "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book." God bless your ministry and keep spreading the truth.
ndockett81 2 years ago
Thanks for the kind words ndockett81!
evangelical1 2 years ago
um...... Just so you don't make the impression that you don't know what you're talking about..... NOT ONE SINGLE BOOK OF THE BIBLE WAS AUTHORED BY AN EYEWITNESS OF jebus' LIFE OR DEATH!!!!!
theincrediblesparky 2 years ago 5
So you mean that Hindus are idiots to follow the religion. I'm a Hindu by birth BTW.
You reject Muslim because one man could have been lying. Then, you can't reject Hindusim, can you? 33 crore (330 million) Gods and so many people who have written religious books and all. Now beat that.
:D
PS: I'm an atheist.
khoya911 2 years ago
I think you may have just proved MystryBox's point. Claiming that the kalam cosmological argument is somehow evidence for the Christian god, but not evidence for Islam (which is, ironically, the original source of the argument) is a striking example of the very cognitive dissonance that MystryBox was referring to.
bottlezone 2 years ago 11
The kalam, in and of itself, is certainly consistent with the existence of Allah. Indeed, the God of kalam may be Allah, for all kalam says. Please do not put words into my mouth. And you are also right when you point to Muslims as the founders of kalam. No dispute on that point.
evangelical1 2 years ago
@evangelical1 the only evidence or historical facts that you mention are in the bible. And that is no proof at all. Its an old group of books written by men to try to control the rest of the people. Nothing more. If you say you believe in Jesus you should also believe in Horus... since the story of Jesus is a nice copy from the the story of Horus... Egiptian God of the sun. Same date of birth, 12 Deciples, died on the cross, resurected etc etc.
Gioindarkness 1 year ago
Your claims about mormonism are false. I recommend that before you takk crap on a religion you claim to not be christian (it is by the way) you actually learn about it. Send me a message some time or a video and i can explain why your wrong about mormonism. Thank you
XkRaZy4KoRnX 2 years ago
I posted a video response. If you didn't receive it as a response to this video let me know and I'll re-reply with it.
MystryBox 2 years ago
Multiple witnesses? You're cracked.
You have a collection of campfire stories.
indignant99 2 years ago
We have been over the Kalam, yet you are still spouting this as evidence of a god?
askegg 2 years ago
I went over the kalam. You went over a different argument, you mistook for the kalam, then attempted to refute a straw man.
evangelical1 2 years ago
1) Everything that begins has a cause.
OK - show me something that begun. The universe? Maybe, but we can only trace the universe back to the Planck length and the first law of thermodynamics states that matter can neither be created nor destroyed. So where is the beginning again?
Over to you. Again.
askegg 2 years ago
I hate to rehash this with you again. But you asked, so here goes. The beginning, again, is exactly where Steven Hawking says it is (and you agreed he said this). Namely, the big bang singularity. I am not an astrophysicist and I presume you aren't either. We must rely on expert testimony. Steven Hawking is generally regarded as an expert when it comes to astrophysics. Presumably, he has no Christian bias clouding his judgement either. Premise 1 stands and kalam goes through. It is undeniable.
evangelical1 2 years ago
Beyond the Planck length this is purely mathematical (at the moment). However, once you get to a universe of zero dimensions what else to you call it apart from a beginning? In any case, this is everything we know of the universe compressed into zero space, which is far from nothing, so still no beginning. And when exactly did Hawkins throw away the first law?
To try again?
askegg 2 years ago
I go to church every Sunday and after watching and listening to this drivel I am seriously considering becoming an atheist.
gzX9bVq6k 2 years ago
@gzX9bVq6k: Go go go!
ericleb01 2 years ago
Nice reply, thanks for the response. I'll think about what you said and respond in a bit... I'm not sure if I'll make a video response or just add comments to your video yet.
MystryBox 2 years ago