It's a damn shame that Green Chimneys RTC in Brewster NY gets a song. It is a sick abuse center that deserves no honors. I am one of generations of kids who was abused there, even sexual abuse. In May 2001 the local paper had an article about 3 Green Chimneys boys who raped another boy who was 8. I read online about Philip Zagarella and Eric Napoletano who were rapists too and they were also later serial killers and rapists. Green Chimneys survivors are silent no longer!
I think you've made your point and no one gives a shit. I'm sorry that his choice of a home town for this fictional character offends your sensabilities but that's 65 years ago. I don't think all Austrians are demented butchers and no one with a brain does.
oh man. that got boring quickly. just have a laugh and don't take it all so seriously. if you were in australia, everyone would be bored shitless listening to your self-important talk.
I tend to agree with you but I think every music has it's tradition. Even rock has a decorum and attitude that is expected and part of that tradition. That's how you identify a genre. I agree that recreating a style leads to stillbirth. But I think taking a language that has been developed over 100 years and saying something original is the goal. It's a tall order, really. As they say; "everyone can speak english but not everyone can be a poet".
ok, ok... I was just kidding. I'm not trying to start a war here. To each his own. The wonderful thing about art is that it is subjective. There is no final say as to whether it's good or bad, beautiful or ugly, etc. Beauty and profundity is in the eyes/ears/mind of the perceiver. I'm glad that there's a dialogue and discussion. That's also what art is supposed to do: make us think...
I suggest that you take a break from the studio a couple of days, getting some fresh air after all the "auto tune" sessions, and actually listen to for example Jeff Ballard as a drummer in different settings before you pass your ridicolous judgements, you know generalisations similar to the one I just gave...
this coming from a musician who plays jazz aswell as other things,p.s I got my first e/mu sampler in the 80"s
you talk of electronic music as something magical new... police?
It seems that you have a notion that electronic music is the way forward,personally I dont think that there is any point in planning a way forward or to try to hype trends or foresee and tell people what to play do , or how to act, all I see in this video is a guy who has a little bit of fun.
personally I think that the planning of "making something new and revoloutionary" is a negativwe thing unless it happens naturally, and learning a languadge with its nuances is a good thing
not that I think berkley is the ideal, but you seem to very generalistic and negative.
as for electronic music and jazz...there are just as many bands playing shitty drum and base with some jazz harmonies on top as people who "act" arty or "jazzy" and try to imitate somekind of image theyhave of what an artust is suppose to act like, both sucks
playing sincere is the point, weather you use some spead up JB beats or jazz tunes as the vehicle for expression isnt the deciding factor for quality
I might be stirring up a tempest in a teapot by responding to this commentary again. However, please, "Smalls generally books non-creative music"? I have to take offese at that. However, I would like to take this belated opportunity to apologize to the musician whom I mistook KingKarolus for. It's only that we had very similar conversation, nearly identical to what I had been reading here. My question to KingKarolus is this: why don't you just come hang out at Smalls and have a drink?
actually, it's not a personal issue with any of those cats. I happen to like them. Like all musicians, I treat them with respect and I never have felt disrespected by these guys, nor do I feel that they are disrespecting the club. I do feel that music, ultimately is about communication. In a jazz group, thatmeans communicating with eachother - feeding off eachother. I don't hear these guys doing that. I don't really hear the emotion that you speak of either. I just hear ego & inpertinence
highly of themselves, they are in fact average to mediocre. Of playing things that are either really stupid or just down right ugly. Veteran jazz musicians in the club laugh outright at them because it's really so pathetic. As far as these guys are concerned, I let them be. If they want to make asses of themselves in public then that's their right. I'd just like to see where they're at in say 10 years. Most likely working in an office some where. Music should be about beauty and joy.
We offer jam sessions for young musicians to come by and play. Often the common repertoire is "standards" or blues tunes. This is normal for all jam sessions. It's got to be something everyone knows. We do have a small group of "renegade" musicians that love to come by and "infiltrate". The see themselves as renegades making some kind of protest by essentially disregarding the basic premise of music which is communication with the other musicians. Even though they obviously think very
These comments amuse me. Actually, I happen to manage a jazz club that offers quite a wide range of jazz musicians and styles. We might have Bucky Pizzarelli one night and then Ari Hoenig with Jean-Michel Pilc another. Larry Goldings is a great musician and this was a special show that we did at his request. Not only was it successful, it was hilarious and delighted the audience. Musically, it was pretty amazing in it's own right. I really don't think there's any "recreation" going on.
"free jazz" is another way for business oriented critics to throw individuals in a box . you don't know me, i found this by chance and thought it was pretty dumb how this guy actually took a funny video and turned it into a real gig.
you'd HAVE to be an idiot to not know what a multi-faceted musician larry is. i don't think you take music too seriously, i think you take yourself too seriously. larry is obviously very serious about his music, or he wouldn't be such a bad ass. you are too concerned with yourself to notice other people's greatness...much less learn to laugh at yourself.
We should meet for lunch and discuss this further...I'll be in Manhattan tomorrow. It does matter that your young you dumb fuck. You with your " I'm a creative individual" self important bullshit! I, or no one else cares about you. GET OVER YOURSELF....
Lighten the fuck up and learn how to laugh asshole. You sound like the kind of uptight prick that no one would want to play with you miserable fuck. You lose with that shitty attitude..
I don't care who you played with. I have played with some great people too. Big fucking deal. I will admit that for me I was lucky in most of those cases and know I'm not on the same level as some of the guys I played with. Your a young self righteous little prick. There's some good stuff out there. Your opinion isn't the rule for everyone else. I can understand to some degree but get if you get dark about the shit, try doing something else. There are too many miserable dark jazz guys out there
Your like 22, right? Your parents probably still send you money to live on. Live another 20 yrs at least and then talk to me. You at that point have gained wisdom or just be worse than you are now. Those guys in that video can all play real well and doing well. I think someone who CAN play making a jazz comedy effort (I'll call it) is better than someone who can't play. If you don't think it's funny fine, but you got all bitchy and self righteous about it. That's where you made your mistake..
Fuck the loving warmth shit, that isn't where I'm coming from at all. You just sound like a little jazz fag nazi who thinks he's hip. Where are you from? Connecticut? or some shit like that? I can spot you mother fuckers a mile away..
And you are the reason jazz is failing, because people take the art form too seriously. Larry is just having fun, also playing with two of the best musicians on their instrument right now.
I dunno who the hell you think you are making assumptions of those kind, but you don't even know me. My family is far from wealthy, I can barely afford college as it is. I may not be as good of a musician as you, but atleast I know one thing. I'm not a self-righteous, insulting piece of dog shit like you, who thinks that they're better than everybody else.
It's a damn shame that Green Chimneys RTC in Brewster NY gets a song. It is a sick abuse center that deserves no honors. I am one of generations of kids who was abused there, even sexual abuse. In May 2001 the local paper had an article about 3 Green Chimneys boys who raped another boy who was 8. I read online about Philip Zagarella and Eric Napoletano who were rapists too and they were also later serial killers and rapists. Green Chimneys survivors are silent no longer!
UmbrellaGirl64 5 months ago
At last! A Victor Borge for the jazz world!
jimsjazzz 10 months ago
Clayderman-tastic
funkEntelechyPlacebo 1 year ago
Larry is an insanely gifted piano player. The shot of his hands at the keyboard is not a bad little lesson. Thanks!
horowizard 2 years ago
Sorry, but for me as an Austrian this fauxpas of Larry Goldings is just terrible, absolutely unnecessary and tasteless. T.C. Pfeiler
b356014 2 years ago
I think you've made your point and no one gives a shit. I'm sorry that his choice of a home town for this fictional character offends your sensabilities but that's 65 years ago. I don't think all Austrians are demented butchers and no one with a brain does.
msorensen54 2 years ago
I am feeling a deja vu
fedlech 2 years ago
oh man. that got boring quickly. just have a laugh and don't take it all so seriously. if you were in australia, everyone would be bored shitless listening to your self-important talk.
tilmanr 2 years ago
I tend to agree with you but I think every music has it's tradition. Even rock has a decorum and attitude that is expected and part of that tradition. That's how you identify a genre. I agree that recreating a style leads to stillbirth. But I think taking a language that has been developed over 100 years and saying something original is the goal. It's a tall order, really. As they say; "everyone can speak english but not everyone can be a poet".
spikewilner 3 years ago
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KingKarolus222 3 years ago
ok, ok... I was just kidding. I'm not trying to start a war here. To each his own. The wonderful thing about art is that it is subjective. There is no final say as to whether it's good or bad, beautiful or ugly, etc. Beauty and profundity is in the eyes/ears/mind of the perceiver. I'm glad that there's a dialogue and discussion. That's also what art is supposed to do: make us think...
spikewilner 3 years ago
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KingKarolus222 3 years ago
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KingKarolus222 3 years ago
I suggest that you take a break from the studio a couple of days, getting some fresh air after all the "auto tune" sessions, and actually listen to for example Jeff Ballard as a drummer in different settings before you pass your ridicolous judgements, you know generalisations similar to the one I just gave...
this coming from a musician who plays jazz aswell as other things,p.s I got my first e/mu sampler in the 80"s
you talk of electronic music as something magical new... police?
lolland30 3 years ago
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KingKarolus222 3 years ago
It seems that you have a notion that electronic music is the way forward,personally I dont think that there is any point in planning a way forward or to try to hype trends or foresee and tell people what to play do , or how to act, all I see in this video is a guy who has a little bit of fun.
personally I think that the planning of "making something new and revoloutionary" is a negativwe thing unless it happens naturally, and learning a languadge with its nuances is a good thing
lolland30 3 years ago
not that I think berkley is the ideal, but you seem to very generalistic and negative.
as for electronic music and jazz...there are just as many bands playing shitty drum and base with some jazz harmonies on top as people who "act" arty or "jazzy" and try to imitate somekind of image theyhave of what an artust is suppose to act like, both sucks
playing sincere is the point, weather you use some spead up JB beats or jazz tunes as the vehicle for expression isnt the deciding factor for quality
lolland30 3 years ago
that be drum n bass ...
anyway, have a good night
lolland30 3 years ago
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KingKarolus222 3 years ago
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KingKarolus222 3 years ago
do you concider Jeff ballard a "non creative musician"
whats with all this black white thinking, is this the mentality that will bring forth quality?
as for planning to make new music, yes I think it generally is a shitty idea to anounce revoloutionary new music on paper
new music is more about the mentality, breaking habits when you practise and being open minded
lolland30 3 years ago
"i never said electronic is the only way forward. i am saying that both electronic and acoustic needs to be embraced"
as in>"and by modern i'm referring to popular music, electronic music, music of TODAY. ?"
what are you talkingabout, something similar to jaga jazzist?
Bugge Wesseltoft?
or more like 80 s electronic jazz, hancock?
where the hell did you get the idea that
new styles HASNt been embraced by jazz artists?
jazz is diversity, and I hate music police,on both sides
lolland30 3 years ago
I might be stirring up a tempest in a teapot by responding to this commentary again. However, please, "Smalls generally books non-creative music"? I have to take offese at that. However, I would like to take this belated opportunity to apologize to the musician whom I mistook KingKarolus for. It's only that we had very similar conversation, nearly identical to what I had been reading here. My question to KingKarolus is this: why don't you just come hang out at Smalls and have a drink?
spikewilner 2 years ago
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KingKarolus222 3 years ago
You're right. It would be a good example of "clown jazz"
spikewilner 3 years ago
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KingKarolus222 3 years ago
actually, it's not a personal issue with any of those cats. I happen to like them. Like all musicians, I treat them with respect and I never have felt disrespected by these guys, nor do I feel that they are disrespecting the club. I do feel that music, ultimately is about communication. In a jazz group, thatmeans communicating with eachother - feeding off eachother. I don't hear these guys doing that. I don't really hear the emotion that you speak of either. I just hear ego & inpertinence
spikewilner 3 years ago
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KingKarolus222 3 years ago
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KingKarolus222 3 years ago
highly of themselves, they are in fact average to mediocre. Of playing things that are either really stupid or just down right ugly. Veteran jazz musicians in the club laugh outright at them because it's really so pathetic. As far as these guys are concerned, I let them be. If they want to make asses of themselves in public then that's their right. I'd just like to see where they're at in say 10 years. Most likely working in an office some where. Music should be about beauty and joy.
spikewilner 3 years ago
We offer jam sessions for young musicians to come by and play. Often the common repertoire is "standards" or blues tunes. This is normal for all jam sessions. It's got to be something everyone knows. We do have a small group of "renegade" musicians that love to come by and "infiltrate". The see themselves as renegades making some kind of protest by essentially disregarding the basic premise of music which is communication with the other musicians. Even though they obviously think very
spikewilner 3 years ago
These comments amuse me. Actually, I happen to manage a jazz club that offers quite a wide range of jazz musicians and styles. We might have Bucky Pizzarelli one night and then Ari Hoenig with Jean-Michel Pilc another. Larry Goldings is a great musician and this was a special show that we did at his request. Not only was it successful, it was hilarious and delighted the audience. Musically, it was pretty amazing in it's own right. I really don't think there's any "recreation" going on.
spikewilner 3 years ago
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KingKarolus222 3 years ago
Why do people freak out with total strangers arguing in "comments". .... ?
thinkingevil 3 years ago
"free jazz" is another way for business oriented critics to throw individuals in a box . you don't know me, i found this by chance and thought it was pretty dumb how this guy actually took a funny video and turned it into a real gig.
KingKarolus 3 years ago
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KingKarolus222 3 years ago
my, my hostile aren't we? you must be some kind of frustrated "free jazz" musician...
spikewilner 3 years ago
are you an idiot? this is larry goldings!
kdfan 3 years ago
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KingKarolus222 3 years ago
you'd HAVE to be an idiot to not know what a multi-faceted musician larry is. i don't think you take music too seriously, i think you take yourself too seriously. larry is obviously very serious about his music, or he wouldn't be such a bad ass. you are too concerned with yourself to notice other people's greatness...much less learn to laugh at yourself.
kdfan 3 years ago
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KingKarolus222 3 years ago
ok....so, obviously i won right?
kdfan 3 years ago
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KingKarolus222 3 years ago
...exactly.
kdfan 3 years ago
We should meet for lunch and discuss this further...I'll be in Manhattan tomorrow. It does matter that your young you dumb fuck. You with your " I'm a creative individual" self important bullshit! I, or no one else cares about you. GET OVER YOURSELF....
paradidd 3 years ago
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KingKarolus222 3 years ago
You suck at life. take some shrooms and then talk to me about music, or seriousness. Get your life chops up to speed with the rest of us, brah.
szumo1982 2 years ago
Lighten the fuck up and learn how to laugh asshole. You sound like the kind of uptight prick that no one would want to play with you miserable fuck. You lose with that shitty attitude..
paradidd 3 years ago
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KingKarolus222 3 years ago
I don't care who you played with. I have played with some great people too. Big fucking deal. I will admit that for me I was lucky in most of those cases and know I'm not on the same level as some of the guys I played with. Your a young self righteous little prick. There's some good stuff out there. Your opinion isn't the rule for everyone else. I can understand to some degree but get if you get dark about the shit, try doing something else. There are too many miserable dark jazz guys out there
paradidd 3 years ago
Your like 22, right? Your parents probably still send you money to live on. Live another 20 yrs at least and then talk to me. You at that point have gained wisdom or just be worse than you are now. Those guys in that video can all play real well and doing well. I think someone who CAN play making a jazz comedy effort (I'll call it) is better than someone who can't play. If you don't think it's funny fine, but you got all bitchy and self righteous about it. That's where you made your mistake..
paradidd 3 years ago
TRUE INDEED! C;mon, get happyy!
szumo1982 2 years ago
Fuck the loving warmth shit, that isn't where I'm coming from at all. You just sound like a little jazz fag nazi who thinks he's hip. Where are you from? Connecticut? or some shit like that? I can spot you mother fuckers a mile away..
paradidd 3 years ago
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KingKarolus222 3 years ago
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KingKarolus222 3 years ago
And you are the reason jazz is failing, because people take the art form too seriously. Larry is just having fun, also playing with two of the best musicians on their instrument right now.
EvanAllen91 3 years ago
um, that's Larry Goldings , he doesn't need to be a clown to get gigs, he just put out an album with jack dejohnette and john scofield.
EvanAllen91 3 years ago
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KingKarolus222 3 years ago
I dunno who the hell you think you are making assumptions of those kind, but you don't even know me. My family is far from wealthy, I can barely afford college as it is. I may not be as good of a musician as you, but atleast I know one thing. I'm not a self-righteous, insulting piece of dog shit like you, who thinks that they're better than everybody else.
EvanAllen91 3 years ago
Monk for Sarkozy
speciman70 3 years ago
unbelievable
volodyajazz 3 years ago