Circumcision Ban: Violating Religious Freedom?

[alleywants]

genital mutilation... is wrong... what a powerful gang to be able to defend it, so much for enlightenment.

[meshel2012]

Eaars pinned back? Or has a religous belief sour face pinned back the true message from Yahshua? Who tainted what first?

[meshel2012]

Where does it say in the bible to circumsize the penis? Is it not about the heart? God warned to have no part of their traditions? Does the bible say not to cut the flesh of our bodies? Is the meaning, the true meaning lost in the traditions and translations? I am glad I came across this video, it is very enlightening.

[superesterhazy]

Anyone should be prevented by the force of the law to mutilate anyone else,regardless of the reason.The law is fully entitled to coerce people who seek mutilation of other individuals.The right to the integrity of your own body is a basic human right in every modern society.

Each and every ''argument'' brought by that rabbi is utterly fake.The rabbis may very well perform only the ''hatafat dam brit'',without getting the new ''brit shalom'',but they are too afraid to challenge that superstition.

[TheYellowtulip]

This rabbi is talking about a person's rights? What a rights of the child? How about we let rapists rape young girls because it is their right.

[Chadolution]

Adults have no right to use knives on children's genitals!!!!

[mediaoverloadbillion]

Religion... sure. Do your dance. Sing your songs. But you put that fucking knife down. That's where it all goes wrong. You can roll around on the floor... speak in tongues if you want, but you put that knife down right now or you're going to jail!

[TheWorstWarlock]

@14omega28ok You don't know any different, though. This guy you cite is just one guy, to most men who still have their whole penis, the idea of getting it sliced up is anathemea. You say it was only done because your mother wanted it that way, but assuming youre an adult, your mother probably hasn't seen your penis in at least a decade. It doesn't affect her directly, whereas you have to look at it every day.

[14omega28ok]

@TheWorstWarlock she did it because my uncle isnt and he persuaded her to get it done. And continues to wish he had got it done. Get off this video andleave circumsized people the fuck alone

[TheWorstWarlock]

@14omega28ok I'm not harassing anyone, I'm just curious about people's thoughts. Did your uncle simply wish he were circumcised, but couldn't face the pain, or did he have a legitimate health problem that needed addressing?

[14omega28ok]

@TheWorstWarlock He wishes he was circumsized but wasn't sure how it would affect his health or the pain, I'm sorry but I honestly do not see nothing wrong with it. Not because I am, But because the big picture is it has no Positive or Negative effects. I see where you are coming from. But the simple fact is its my dick, I'm happy with the thing and it brings me no problems or negative effects. I have a good sex life my life is good so keep your nose out of it.

[Brushles83]

the rabbi basically just said its a way of religion branding the livestock. This disgusting practice must be stopped and anyone involved in inflicting it on a helpless child should be thrown in jail.

[mattybock]

bottom line- if it's not your dick, don't cut on it.

[tweexican]

I guess if someone decided to form a religion that involved punching their children in the face, these people would be pissed that someone is telling them not to harm their kids.

[TheAtheistFuture]

First of all, Muhammad only said it was recommended, for these wankers to suggest that this is an ultimate part of their religion that must be adhered to is bullocks for starters. It can easily be another part of their religion to consider unnecessary in this day and age. And even if it's not america is secular, how dare they allow people to force their religious garbage onto innocents.

[gingowitch]

END CIRCUMCISION!

[idkuri]

At the end the Rabbi makes the point of the opposite side. About taking away people's right to choose...."What about the parents?.......wahhhhhhhhh" WHAT ABOUT THE BABY'S PENIS!!!!!

Don't let anyone subjogate your child in the name of anything!

[wdmm94]

Circumcision removes the most sensitive part of a man's penis. The five most sensitive areas of the penis are on the foreskin. The transitional region from the external to the internal foreskin is the most sensitive region of the fully intact penis, and more sensitive than the most sensitive region of the circumcised penis.

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Fine-Touch Pressure Thresholds In The Adult Penis

British Journal of Urology International,

2007, Vol. 99, No. 4, 864-869

Sorrells et al.

[annoloki]

"It's my child to do with as I wish" -- also known as "the Fritzel Defense"

[silkaem]

So, we can abort our kids but we can't circumcise them? This world is bass ackwards.

[Nifrayu]

@silkaem This bill is irrelivant to abortion. Whats wrong with abortion anyway?

[gingowitch]

@Nifrayu

It is bad to do both abortion and circumcision.

[Nifrayu]

@gingowitch That did not answer my question. What is wrong with abortion? I have never heard a reasoned argument against abortion. I also can't think of one. I just don't get it.

"circumcision" I assume you meant infant circumcision. There is nothing wrong with circumcision in general.

[Nifrayu]

@gingowitch That did not answer my question. What is wrong with abortion? I have never heard a reasoned argument against abortion. I just don't get it.

"circumcision" I assume you meant infant circumcision. There is nothing wrong with circumcision in general.

[gingowitch]

@Nifrayu Oh yes there is. it is a plot to make a man masturbate, be weaker than he should be, and be incapable of defending himself against the forces of evil.

And abortion is murder. Which is wrong, don't you know?

[Nifrayu]

@gingowitch Conspiracy theories! Really?

"abortion is murder." No it isn't. Abortion is perfectly legal. Legal everywhere as far as I know. Am I wrong?

[gingowitch]

@Nifrayu Circumcised people have smaller heads and they masturbate more because their foreskin is retracted all the time. It is a plot to make a man's head smaller than it should be. THAT is scary to you perhaps, but it is sadly true.

[Nifrayu]

@gingowitch That ridicules. Most people don't circumcision for that reason. If anybody does at all.

[gingowitch]

@Nifrayu That is the real reason, that is what I am telling you. The stupid reasons that it is good for hygiene and looks better - all that is a bunch of crap made up by dirty Jews.

[Nifrayu]

@gingowitch Seriously. You are just going to blame this madness on Jews. How about you back this up with facts. For all you know you're talking to a Jew.

Watch this video. ( U.S. Administration Violates Human Rights ) The beggining of this video explains the reason circumcision is so popular in the united states.

[gingowitch]

@Nifrayu Jews started the practice. Fishbein is the doctor jew credited with starting the madness.

[PLupa2]

@gingowitch Nope. Evidence suggests that Egyptians started the practice, and it may even date to before them. Try some research next time. And by research I mean legitimate research, not Wikipedia.

[PLupa2]

@gingowitch Not only bad, but literally impossible.

[gingowitch]

@PLupa2 no it is possible for one of you evil americans to do both to two children. americans are dumb masturbating cripples.

[PLupa2]

@gingowitch 1. Not American, but even if I was I wouldn't be offended by your failed attempt to classify every single American as one being. No society, American or not, is inherently "evil". It's like saying all Muslims are terrorists or all Canadians love hockey. Hooray for ignorant prejudice.

2. Your sentence was vague, so I could legitimately read it as performing both an abortion and a circumcision on one child, but thanks for clarifying by using prejudices and inaccurate generalizations.

[gingowitch]

@PLupa2 it's funny, because i can characterize americans as: circumcised, masturbating, and or fat.

[rainights2975]

Yes Rabbi, I suppose you do all circumcision free of charge. Parents have no right to abuse a child. PERIOD! And yes you must think the world is flat.

[haveright]

Stupid mohels afraid to loose their job...

[TheChallenger2011]

Right to Religion or FREEDOM OF RELIGION?

You mean to tell me that a man (or parents) who is from America and who adopts a religion that deems it necessary to remove the prepuce of his or any newborn infant girls clitoris is not going to be told he cannot do this!?

Disgusting how people can't open their eyes to see these are children we are talking about here and they deserve a RIGHT to their own body.

Modifying the genitals of a healthy child should be illegal, Male or Female

[SkullOfYorick]

Only in the warped mind of a religious believer, could the religious rights of parents trump the child's right of bodily integrity and freedom from physical harm.

[madbr3991]

if this ban does not pass. then if a baby dies from circumcision in San Fransisco. the people that kept the ban from passing would all be partly responsible for that child's death. this ban is not anti jew or anti muslim. this ban is for preventing death and suffering. this ban is only anti semitic in the way that laws against murder, rape, and slavery are anti semitic.

[kotfrank]

Final goal of AB768 & HR2400 is to codify making circ legal thus preventing ANY lawsuits especially those 18yo born 1997 who will be suing for inequality. Of course, this SF court case & CALIF AB768 & USA HR2400 are also to shut the hell up! any dissension on circumcision. Meaning they don't care about anyone except themselves. Down with Fiona Ma, Mike Gatto, Brad Sherman, Mark Leno - Pro Jews Anti Others

[damnitboyzz]

religion is a crime. spirituality, not!

love from India...

[LannaDru]

It's so funny to see that jews and muslims, who would normally be at each others throats, will join forces when something insane, gruesome and disgusting is being defended

[francisnblake]

A quick internet search reveals that all three issues of "Foreskin Man" can be downloaded in pdf form from the publishers official website.

[pseudobliss]

This man's rhetoric is mind numbing. We all deserve equal protection. Even Jewish children or Muslim children. Allowing the procirc lobby to advocate for RIC is reminiscent of slavery. This is where the practice started in the first place. Cutting slaves to brand them into a group is in complete disregaurd of modern day human rights. Accepting RIC for religious reasons is tantamount to accepting the fundemental tentant of slavery, "I can own/brand my human any way I want." We are not cattle!

[wakeit60]

Stop cutting the genitals of children. End of story. Go San Fran! Go foreskin man!

[alleywants]

protect all children from genital mutilation... since the muslims wait until the boys are in their teens... what's a couple more years for them and the jews ; 18 years of age is the age of legal consent ...

[brajamtho757]

@alleywants

What's a couple more years? A loss of control. If you don't chose for them, maybe they won't chose to have it done?

[Hugh7777]

@brajamtho757 Exactly! And if they choose not to have it done, isn't that their perfect right? (And if they choose not to have it done then, who has any right to choose for them at any time before then?

[alleywants]

@brajamtho757 let girls and boys decide when they are adults if they want sexual surgury... let them have that control over their own bodies, don't you think?

[brajamtho757]

@alleywants

It barely requires thought, but yes. You obviously have more than a few brain cells working in unison. It's surprising how many people don't.

[chelbelle77]

@alleywants The risks of circumcision increase the older the child is, that's the difference...

[madbr3991]

@chelbelle77 the risk actually goes down as the child ages. but the amount of circumcisions at later ages is much lower so there is much less data. at later ages the foreskin is in the process of becoming retractable. and when retractable the doctor could make a better cut. the person would also get pain meds. and the risk of infection would be much lower. because antibiotics are given and the wound would not be in a diaper.

[dts6b]

Where was this coalition 14 years ago when it became illegal to circumcise female children in the U.S.? Female circumcisions are virtually always done for religious reasons. There are many Muslims, Coptic Christians, and Falasha Jews who circumcise their daughters and use a religious requirement as their justification. Why weren't the people in this coalition opposing the ban screaming about religious freedom before? It is time to protect the basic Human Rights of all children.

[MenDoComplain]

To argue that circumcision is a child's religious right ignores the fact that children are not competent to form a considered opinion on religious belief and so a child has no religion he is just born into a community with certain beliefs which he may or may not share when he grows up.

Circumcision also ignores a child's right to ethical medical treatment. A child who is not competent to consent and has no disease or injury has no need of medical treatment.

Richard Duncker, London UK

[tommy124100]

The most disturbing part is the words from Rabbi Brad Hershfield.

"Using laws, whether in the name of religion, or no religion, to coerce peoples' conscience, is always destructive, and often deadly." "Not the cycle of circumcision good or circumcision bad, but the cycle of coercion, which would dictate to others what to do with their very bodies, their very children, and with their very souls", without the slightest irony. What is circumcision, if not coercing an amputation on someone else?

[gp9086]

HARMING SOMEONES BODY SHOULD NOT BE A RELIGIOUS RIGHT.... PARENTS SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS DECISION EITHER SINCE THERE ARE NO MEDICAL REASONS TO DO A CIRCUMCISION. IT IS HIS BODY HE SHOULD MAKE A DECISION ON A COSMETIC SURGERY WHEN HE IS AN ADULT.

BOYS DESERVE THE SAME RIGHTS A GIRLS IF MALE INFANT CIRCUMCISION IS NOT MAKE ILLEGAL IN THE FUTURE SOMEONE COULD CLAIM THEY SHOULD HAVE A RELIGIOUS RIGHT TO CIRCUMCISE THEIR BABY GIRL..

[tommy124100]

You couldn't welcome or name the child, without a ritual partial genital amputation? Russian Jews are welcome in Israel, foreskins and all. How is genital surgery on girls, which is illegal, different than genital surgery on boys?  It is all removing healthy genital tissue from someone against their will. Why is one religions' genital cutting bad, and the other one good? Nobody asked the owner of the genital. This video is like a kid crying because his favorite toy is being taken away.

[tommy124100]

How does an amputation of a part which was created by God, remind someone that their body is a sacred vehicle? Abigail Porth calls circumcision "one of the most sentimental of our faith, our tradition". My foreskin is one of the most sentimental parts of my body. A rich history and a village tradition also describe female circumcision.

[TheWorstWarlock]

Religious freedom? What about a man's freedom not to have a damaged dick?

[kotfrank]

The rabbi speaks eloquently about the role of circumcision in Judaism, but speaks as though the infant is the one making the decision, e.g., "people have practiced circumcision for thousands of years . . . as a way to remind themselves that their own bodies are sacred vehicles." But that's just the point: it is not "their own body," it is a helpless infant boy's own body (indeed, his penis) that is being permanently altered without his consent.

Please stop cutting little boys' genitals.

[kotfrank]

the Northern California ACLU is supporting gagging the voters of San Francisco by preventing them to voice their thoughts on male circumcision in San Francisco. And in doing so, this ACLU_NORCAL (twitter) thus also supports continuing the existing sexism the initiative SFmgmbill org seeks to overcome. ACLU NC thus supports religious forced scarification, forced sacrificial of body parts, and using only boys’ bodies as billboards to advertize religion. Ban it! Tell ACLU_NORCAL!!

[kotfrank]

the Northern California ACLU is supporting gagging the voters of San Francisco by preventing them to voice their thoughts on male circumcision in San Francisco. And in doing so, this ACLU NORCAL (twitter) thus also supports continuing the existing sexism the initiative SFmgmbill org seeks to overcome. ACLU NC thus supports religious forced scarification, forced sacrificial of body parts, and using only boys’ bodies as billboards to advertize religion. Ban it! Tell ACLU of NORCAL!!

[madbr3991]

if these jewish people want so much to follow their book. then why don't the go and kill all non-believers, and witches, and gays, they could also keep slaves. there book tells the jewish people to do all of this. these "holy books" are so stained with blood that im surprised blood does not pour out win the book is opened.

circumcision is child rape and it must be stopped.

[brajamtho757]

Anyone who supports circumcision is an idiot.

[jenvirtual]

Rabbi Hirschfield says that Circumcision is "a way to remind themselves that their own bodies are sacred vehicles"... really? your faith's requirement for the treatment of the sacred body is to mutilate your body? And Rabbi, pinning a kids ears back for esthetics is not the same as cutting off a functioning body part that robs the child of a life of good health and sexual pleasure.

[BewbInspector]

You know what violates religious freedom? Hacking off the body parts of a child to appease a blood ritual 2000 years in the making. Where is the child's religious freedom? Why are we the ones who have to fight for them, and not the leaders of the faith themselves? Ok, that was rhetorical. They don't care about the child's religious freedom. They care about their own.

[SteveC935]

They're so afraid of what they people will want, they're not even going to wait and see how the vote ends up. They're afraid that democracy will show the way.

[brajamtho757]

Circumcision is violent disfiguring child rape. Period.

[PlantigradeBiped]

@brajamtho757 Rape is a more candid description than it's usually given. The sublimated sexual assault and battery of children and of the men that they become, and the permanent violation of religious rights of the individual; the only meaningful construal that the phrase 'religious rights' could have. If by religious freedom we mean some else gets to choose for you than we have to ask (religious rights a opposed to what? Why even bother speaking in terms of rights if that's what we could mean.

[parkwoodlounge]

The rabbi in the video 6:37 is a supreme hypocrite, cutting the genitals of a child is coercion and "dictating to others what to do with their bodies," you idiot!

[Gwynsek]

Babies cannot speak for themselves nor are allowed to choose,so we have to stand up for their right to have their penises intact ! If they choose to do so when 18 or 16 then it's their own choice but not something which is irreversible and painful,practiced on babies without any anesthesia at all !

[PlantigradeBiped]

The corollary of one right is often the denial of another one. If you have the right to free expression, for instance, you lack the right to silence others who offend you. In such cases we have to determine which right is the more just, your right to do with yourself as you see fit, or the right to do to others as you please. The practice of involuntary foreskin excision can be described as an example of the exercise of religious freedom. It is also religious compulsion. Autonomy or subjugation?

[Hugh7777]

6:40 Coercion? What could be more coercive than strapping a baby down and cutting off part of his or her genitals?

[Hugh7777]

5:30 Repair of hip dysplaysia? Good grief! How common is that? I'd never heard of it being done to a child. And ear tucking would not be done to a non-consenting child, would it,, but to one who complained about being teased and could be told the issues? Whereas circumcision is done to 1.2 million American boys a year (one every 26 seconds) with no medical dianosis at all.

[Hugh7777]

And yes, rabbi the history is as rich for Muslims. They believe Ibrahim (Abraham) orderd that Hagar be circumcised, setting a historical precedent for female cutting (which the Prophet reportedly said should be not too severe) - so will you be calling for the repeal of the federal law against female cutting?

[Hugh7777]

Yes, rabbi, the same scripture that requires circumcision of sons, also requires it of slaves and everyone in the household. The Mexican live-in gardener might have something to say about that.

[Hugh7777]

Rabbi Hirscheild, people have practised many evils on others for thousands of years, not realising they were evil at the time, only in retrospect.

"As a way to remind themselves that their own bodies are sacred vehicles"? - then let them do it to their own bodies, not the bodies of uncomprehending babies. That would sure remind them!

"As a way of marking literally in indelible ways into their flesh that they are part of a community" But only males? If that is the reason, why not girls too?

[pilotlightdan]

deadly?? what can be deadly is the very circumcision itself! No the mentality to get rid of circumcision is a breath of fresh air. I bet Jewish people don't think FGM is proper.... but oh yeah I forgot, that's because it is done by Muslims. They only support the Muslims on circumcision because they also do this themselves. hypocritical...

[pilotlightdan]

pinning the ears kids is not routinely done in America you fucking idiot!!

[Bonobo3D]

Carving religion into the genitals of children is a sexual perversion. Cutting off normal healthy sexual parts of children is sexual abuse.

It is time, long overdue, to protect the religious freedom of children from the myths of their parents religion and medical fraud of infant circumcision.

Forced circumcision is coercion Brad Hirschfied, and circumcision itself is often deadly.

Time to end it.

[hudna1]

@Bonobo3D Genesis 17 and Joshua 5

[madbr3991]

@hudna1 so what the bible is just a book . that same book also tells people to kill non believers, witches, gays, and children and people that work on sunday . the bible also tells people to keep slaves, that women are inferior to men. the bible is a book that is dripping with blood.

don't torture babies because a 2,000 year old book tells you too.

[Bonobo3D]

@hudna1 And don't forget the passages that allow you to keep human slaves, stone women and other violations of human beings. God said so.

[kleenex3000]

@hudna1 Now, learn the FACTS. CyrrCummCission was introduced into Genesis, Centuries later after the original story of "G-D an Abra[ha]m" had been compiled. Your appreciation of the whole CyrrCummCission idea is the ERROR, that you center your hole life around. Actually it is a SCAM, that had been included by the PRIESTHOOD. That they are for long dead and hélas cannot become CHARGED for their LIES.

Please do us the favor and research what GOOGLE

"book of J" "circumcision"

says.

[gingowitch]

@hudna1 JESUS and PAUL told you not to circumcise. Besides, Abraham is not even in heaven, as Jesus himself tells you. Imagine the karma involved with starting this backward tradition that ruins lives.

[madbr3991]

the majority of people in the us are not jewish or muslim. and yet it is done to them as well. this ban is not anti muslim or anti jewish because it does not target. this ban protects all children. a baby's body does not belong to a religion or to the parents. no parent should be allowed to remove healthy tissue from a baby. let the child choose after he is 18. its his body not the parents or the religions.

this ban if done federally would save the lives of more then 200 children per year.

[pseudobliss]

@madbr3991 It is done to American babies whether or not they are Jewish because many MDs (Trained in traditional religious schools) use medicine as a smoke screen to impliment gen 17:23, 17:27