The really impressive thing about this video is the way that Father Barron fearlessly grabs the bull by the horns in discussing the "Global Government", and expresses his personal disapproval in a very thoughtful way. "Conspiracy theorists" rightfully pointing out the dangers of the New World Order tend to tar everything with the same brush, but they must realize that it is not Christianity or bankers or governments which are evil---it is only that many things have been INFILTRATED by evil.
I read this recently, and I was struck by the pope's response to one concern in particular. Faced with the question of how the poor could feed an unlimited amount of children without birth control, he simply says "God will provide." He may as well have said "let them eat cake!" Until we have universal health care and food security, there will be no practical alternative for birth control.
I recently read the encyclical Caritas Veritate and had to read Humanae Vitae and other encyclicals referenced therein to get my bearings...if you keep reading the references in the other Encyclials they always go back to scriptures. That's what I like about the Church. That we are built on the Rock of salvation, Christ Jesus. "Peter, on this Rock I build My Church"
I see no substantial difference between artificial contraception and natural forms of contraception, such as NFP, which are permitted by the Catholic Church. The result is the same: the avoidance of conception. It seems to me that the Church has placed an intolerable burden on many devout Catholics, especially those like me who have no desire for children because my own family life was profoundly traumatic, as was my wife's.
New world order is NOT a part of authentic Catholic doctrine, but that seems to be of lesser importance these days in the Vatican. Mgr.Lefebvre was right to step out of the second vatican council and don't be a part anymore of the breakdown of real Christian values. He died a saint in 1991 after securing the catholic priesthood,and real catholic doctrine in his Fraternity ssPX.The more the Vatican is betraying real Christianity, the more they will call upon themselves the wrath of Almighty God.
@lithopoonwit I strongly urge you to read Issaiah 11 in Scriptures regarding "a spirit of knowledge and fear of the Lord". I pray you will know that the celebration of the Holy Mass - whether it's the Traditional Tridentine or the Roman Catholic Mass or the New Roman Missal; the Eastern Churches celebrate Mass also - the central point of the celebration is the Holy Eucharist. The Sacrafice of Christ shedding his Blood for you and for all that He may be our spiritual drink; our source.
Pope John XXIII was a Freemason, and called for a powerful UN. Pope Paul VI sympathised with Communism. The second vatican Council did not condemn Communism, though many, many Bishops had written a petition for precisely that, and had demanded Communism to be condemned firmly. It did not happen (Holy Spirit, or Freemasonry?). Same here. It looks like the Pope is steered by the unseen NWO agenda, and there is nothing Christian about it, and indeed very dangerous.
Father Barron, thank you for your videos here on You Tube. I wanted to say that I was raised Catholic, but haven't been a "practicing" Catholic for a long time. However, I do have the desire to return to the church. That being said, my apprehension increases when I see all of these videos on here about the Catholic Church that is leading us to the NWO, and that frightens me. That these encyclicals are based on love and good of the church, and now the Pope is calling for a NWO in this encyclical?
What is good about it? It calls for the disarming of the people, social justice in redistribution of wealth which means taking from the wealthy giving it to the poor, and calling for a global "political" dictator. Hardly good Christian attributes is it? Our Lord Jesus would say: "Get thee behind me Satan"!
2 things Father: a) you keep mistranslating "Caritas" as "love", when the best translation is still "charity" or possibly "compassion". b) you try to distance yourself from the parts you don't like by insinuating that they probably weren't even written the Pope anyway. Bad show.
I would counter your "black helicopter" conspiracy sentiment saying that the Catholic church was in effect a super-government for over a millenium. It seems he is arguing for further Catholic influence in the UN.
Charity is from the Latin word Caritas which refers to a self-giving love. Amore (to love) is a different sort, more of a romantic love, and is more commonly known in the English speaking world.
In other languages, in particular Latin and Greek, there are many words for Love and each are differentiated. This is why the Catholic Church still uses Latin as its language, because it is precise and consistent since no one else uses it now.
You don't need a lesson from me. How about the Vatican, you know the country that uses Latin as it's official language.
"1. Charity in truth, to which Jesus Christ bore witness by his earthly life and especially by his death and resurrection, is the principal driving force behind the authentic development of every person and of all humanity. Love — caritas — is an extraordinary force which leads people to opt for courageous and generous engagement in the field of justice and peace."
Charity and love are not interchangeable. Once again, this is a bad translation to the English. I know what I am talking about here. When you can speak Latin, then you can have a legitimate opinion on the subject.
Charity is Agape. It is the theological virture of love, not to be confused with Eros, which is romantic love. The problem is the New Testament was written in Greek which has 4 words for love, each a specific kind of love. Agape, which is the self sacrificial love that God is, is Caritas in Latin and Charity in English. Sadly, Charity has lost much of its theological meaning, as has Love, in the English language. This is how the Church uses Caritas and has for centuries.
You might want to review your lesson concerning deponent verbs! (I'm kidding with you). But I wouldn't press the issue of the right translation of "caritas" too far. "Love" is a perfectly valid rendering, as long as we're careful not to sentimentalize the term.
It's painful for me to hear you describe love as a 'rendering.' To rent is to tear apart, like divorce which is loves opposite. Love is more like a synthesis of agape and eros. Both fully present, yet unmixed and one. Like a marriage! :)
Use the Chalcedonian definition like a key to unlock reality :). Christ is the way is he not?
Well done :P. Marriage, true love, requires both a tearing and a giving. Like the Sacred Hear. Getting married is the most terrible and amazing which surprised even God. God never thought that Adam would Fall - in love - with Eve... That he would follow her into death itself by giving her the apple that she had passed to him - the first moment of an unbroken tradition of love. Amen to that brother :)
@Hobbes314 a 'rendering' is also an artist's conception; for example, the CAD department where I work creates 'renderings' or computer generated images of structures that my company then fabricates. I believe this definition of 'rendering' applies to Fr. Barron's use in his comment.
No. My complaint concerning the style of the letter is restricted to matters of literary form. There is only one substantive issue that I disagree with, and I was eminently clear on that point. And my critique there has to do with the practicality of the Pope's proposal, not its theoretical content.
I agree that practicality is an issue. Of course, for love (and God IS Love) all things possible ;). You care to disagree? :)
On a practical level, I think that we should look to Toyota and how their Prius Synergy Hybrid cars work. The have managed to seamless combine two radically opposed sources of energy (battery and combustion) to provide power to the wheels. I imagine the kingdom that way: A True Hybrid of Church and State. Separate, equal, and both total and necessary :).
Frankly, I'm mildly disappointed in your very-American skepticism regarding a world-wide political order, Father :).
I'm mildly kidding, or course. However, I think that a world-wide political order/government is quite consistent with the principles of Catholic Social Doctrine - especially the principle of subsidiarity. I'm sure that we can all agree that there are certain dimensions to our common life that truly affect us all and thus call for a certain universal level of government. No?
This isn't a new problem. The relationship between the Church and the Empire is quite an old problem. In the East the settlement favored the Emperor, while in the West it tended to favor the Papacy. I'd prefer a non-hierarchical relationship between World-State/Empire and Church that is more akin to friendship. Clearly, I'm assuming that by this time the Church has been reunified, the world Christian, and sanctity the norm rather than the exception: Also known as the Kingdom of God. :)
On a more critical note. I don't think its proper for the Pope to assume that we must make an everlasting compromise with sin. The political order that you describe is the solution of Babel - a sort of emergency solution. The lasting solution desired by God (God's will is creative and doesn't fail, does it?) is Pentecost and the Kingdom. This is what the Pope should be tirelessly promoting, even if it's unattainable to sinful humanity. Holiness is God's gift, not our accomplishment.
I don't think anyone is asking anyone to wave their sovreignty. It is simply arguing for greater accountability. For instance, the US army can commit war crimes anywhere and not be accountable to anyone, since the US does not acknowledge the world court or the hague war crimes tribunal.
I hope that the Pope would reject the idea of a One World Government. It's just give me the chills. And you are correct, its very utopian and unrealistic. We must reject the temptation of an idea that a person or a centralized system can work in a global scale. We might one day ended up having leaders that will be so bad that would make Hitler and Stalin like common street thugs. Again, very nice commentary.
Rome was the ancient equivalent of a one world government. Without it, there would be no Christian church as we know it today. While initially persecuted by this world government, the church later coopted it. So, good can come from a one world goverment.
Its not the OWG per se that is the problem. Right now, almost everyone recognizes the importance of having a global view of things. But what I don't like from this OWG is the fact that we are giving too much power to some global body that has no accountability and we don't have the capacity to make any audit on their activities. Giving powers to the very few to govern our everyday lives is not the way I like to live.
Remember the all famous saying: "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". We don't need a OWG as we are already in a de facto OWG. Through the internet and improved communications and trasportation systems, we are in effect a smaller world. What we need is a global body that serves as a referee and not as a body that dictates our every move. Even God when He mentions about the Kingdom of God, He merely inviting us, not forcing us to enter to His Kingdom. This OWG is different.
I would like to make an example: Climate Change. Yes, its a global problem and we are all affected by it. But just imagine if we are in a OWG environment and this government is ruled by the extreme left. We know their ideology on climate change, they want to reduce population drastically by hounding us everyday with information that we are the problem and even babies are a problem. The result, a global ordinance on abortion and forced sterilisation. Now that is OWG and I don't like it.
The really impressive thing about this video is the way that Father Barron fearlessly grabs the bull by the horns in discussing the "Global Government", and expresses his personal disapproval in a very thoughtful way. "Conspiracy theorists" rightfully pointing out the dangers of the New World Order tend to tar everything with the same brush, but they must realize that it is not Christianity or bankers or governments which are evil---it is only that many things have been INFILTRATED by evil.
TibbieT 5 months ago
@wordonfirevideo thoughts?
fartonmeee 6 months ago
I read this recently, and I was struck by the pope's response to one concern in particular. Faced with the question of how the poor could feed an unlimited amount of children without birth control, he simply says "God will provide." He may as well have said "let them eat cake!" Until we have universal health care and food security, there will be no practical alternative for birth control.
fartonmeee 6 months ago
Thanks Father Barron. Keep on commenting. Don't let the turkey's get you down. Perfect Love casts out all Fear. Shalom! Peace be with you. :D
FromAcrossTheDesert 7 months ago
I recently read the encyclical Caritas Veritate and had to read Humanae Vitae and other encyclicals referenced therein to get my bearings...if you keep reading the references in the other Encyclials they always go back to scriptures. That's what I like about the Church. That we are built on the Rock of salvation, Christ Jesus. "Peter, on this Rock I build My Church"
cjhite 1 year ago
I see no substantial difference between artificial contraception and natural forms of contraception, such as NFP, which are permitted by the Catholic Church. The result is the same: the avoidance of conception. It seems to me that the Church has placed an intolerable burden on many devout Catholics, especially those like me who have no desire for children because my own family life was profoundly traumatic, as was my wife's.
bayreuth79 1 year ago
New world order is NOT a part of authentic Catholic doctrine, but that seems to be of lesser importance these days in the Vatican. Mgr.Lefebvre was right to step out of the second vatican council and don't be a part anymore of the breakdown of real Christian values. He died a saint in 1991 after securing the catholic priesthood,and real catholic doctrine in his Fraternity ssPX.The more the Vatican is betraying real Christianity, the more they will call upon themselves the wrath of Almighty God.
lithopoonwit 2 years ago
@lithopoonwit I strongly urge you to read Issaiah 11 in Scriptures regarding "a spirit of knowledge and fear of the Lord". I pray you will know that the celebration of the Holy Mass - whether it's the Traditional Tridentine or the Roman Catholic Mass or the New Roman Missal; the Eastern Churches celebrate Mass also - the central point of the celebration is the Holy Eucharist. The Sacrafice of Christ shedding his Blood for you and for all that He may be our spiritual drink; our source.
cjhite 1 year ago
Pope John XXIII was a Freemason, and called for a powerful UN. Pope Paul VI sympathised with Communism. The second vatican Council did not condemn Communism, though many, many Bishops had written a petition for precisely that, and had demanded Communism to be condemned firmly. It did not happen (Holy Spirit, or Freemasonry?). Same here. It looks like the Pope is steered by the unseen NWO agenda, and there is nothing Christian about it, and indeed very dangerous.
lithopoonwit 2 years ago
Father Barron, thank you for your videos here on You Tube. I wanted to say that I was raised Catholic, but haven't been a "practicing" Catholic for a long time. However, I do have the desire to return to the church. That being said, my apprehension increases when I see all of these videos on here about the Catholic Church that is leading us to the NWO, and that frightens me. That these encyclicals are based on love and good of the church, and now the Pope is calling for a NWO in this encyclical?
gourmetmn 2 years ago
What is good about it? It calls for the disarming of the people, social justice in redistribution of wealth which means taking from the wealthy giving it to the poor, and calling for a global "political" dictator. Hardly good Christian attributes is it? Our Lord Jesus would say: "Get thee behind me Satan"!
herbertwarmstrong 2 years ago
Cherrypicking from an pro-capitalist pro US first perspective
SaschaRegensburg 2 years ago
Corinthians 13:13 Nunc autem manent fides, spes, caritas, tria hæc: major autem horum est caritas.
If you go to the Greek, you'll find that the word caritas is Agape.
BaronvonKorf 2 years ago
2 things Father: a) you keep mistranslating "Caritas" as "love", when the best translation is still "charity" or possibly "compassion". b) you try to distance yourself from the parts you don't like by insinuating that they probably weren't even written the Pope anyway. Bad show.
I would counter your "black helicopter" conspiracy sentiment saying that the Catholic church was in effect a super-government for over a millenium. It seems he is arguing for further Catholic influence in the UN.
capone70 2 years ago
No, he is most correct about the translation.
Charity is from the Latin word Caritas which refers to a self-giving love. Amore (to love) is a different sort, more of a romantic love, and is more commonly known in the English speaking world.
In other languages, in particular Latin and Greek, there are many words for Love and each are differentiated. This is why the Catholic Church still uses Latin as its language, because it is precise and consistent since no one else uses it now.
BaronvonKorf 2 years ago
Ego loquero in lingua latina. Sum MULTO callidus interverbum caritam et amorem.
I don't need a latin lesson from a random user on the internet. My translation stands.
capone70 2 years ago
You don't need a lesson from me. How about the Vatican, you know the country that uses Latin as it's official language.
"1. Charity in truth, to which Jesus Christ bore witness by his earthly life and especially by his death and resurrection, is the principal driving force behind the authentic development of every person and of all humanity. Love — caritas — is an extraordinary force which leads people to opt for courageous and generous engagement in the field of justice and peace."
BaronvonKorf 2 years ago
Charity and love are not interchangeable. Once again, this is a bad translation to the English. I know what I am talking about here. When you can speak Latin, then you can have a legitimate opinion on the subject.
capone70 2 years ago
Charity is Agape. It is the theological virture of love, not to be confused with Eros, which is romantic love. The problem is the New Testament was written in Greek which has 4 words for love, each a specific kind of love. Agape, which is the self sacrificial love that God is, is Caritas in Latin and Charity in English. Sadly, Charity has lost much of its theological meaning, as has Love, in the English language. This is how the Church uses Caritas and has for centuries.
BaronvonKorf 2 years ago
You might want to review your lesson concerning deponent verbs! (I'm kidding with you). But I wouldn't press the issue of the right translation of "caritas" too far. "Love" is a perfectly valid rendering, as long as we're careful not to sentimentalize the term.
wordonfirevideo 2 years ago
It's painful for me to hear you describe love as a 'rendering.' To rent is to tear apart, like divorce which is loves opposite. Love is more like a synthesis of agape and eros. Both fully present, yet unmixed and one. Like a marriage! :)
Use the Chalcedonian definition like a key to unlock reality :). Christ is the way is he not?
Hobbes314 2 years ago
No, no! I use the word "rendering" to mean "giving."
wordonfirevideo 2 years ago
Well done :P. Marriage, true love, requires both a tearing and a giving. Like the Sacred Hear. Getting married is the most terrible and amazing which surprised even God. God never thought that Adam would Fall - in love - with Eve... That he would follow her into death itself by giving her the apple that she had passed to him - the first moment of an unbroken tradition of love. Amen to that brother :)
Hobbes314 2 years ago
@Hobbes314 a 'rendering' is also an artist's conception; for example, the CAD department where I work creates 'renderings' or computer generated images of structures that my company then fabricates. I believe this definition of 'rendering' applies to Fr. Barron's use in his comment.
sterlingrose33 2 years ago
No. My complaint concerning the style of the letter is restricted to matters of literary form. There is only one substantive issue that I disagree with, and I was eminently clear on that point. And my critique there has to do with the practicality of the Pope's proposal, not its theoretical content.
wordonfirevideo 2 years ago
I agree that practicality is an issue. Of course, for love (and God IS Love) all things possible ;). You care to disagree? :)
On a practical level, I think that we should look to Toyota and how their Prius Synergy Hybrid cars work. The have managed to seamless combine two radically opposed sources of energy (battery and combustion) to provide power to the wheels. I imagine the kingdom that way: A True Hybrid of Church and State. Separate, equal, and both total and necessary :).
Hobbes314 2 years ago
Frankly, I'm mildly disappointed in your very-American skepticism regarding a world-wide political order, Father :).
I'm mildly kidding, or course. However, I think that a world-wide political order/government is quite consistent with the principles of Catholic Social Doctrine - especially the principle of subsidiarity. I'm sure that we can all agree that there are certain dimensions to our common life that truly affect us all and thus call for a certain universal level of government. No?
Hobbes314 2 years ago
To whom would this global order answer too?
At the very least right now, we have the threat of mutual destruction that keeps the peace (so far as it can be kept).
If you wave your soverignty, for a one world government, you are asking for trouble.
scotsocool 2 years ago
This isn't a new problem. The relationship between the Church and the Empire is quite an old problem. In the East the settlement favored the Emperor, while in the West it tended to favor the Papacy. I'd prefer a non-hierarchical relationship between World-State/Empire and Church that is more akin to friendship. Clearly, I'm assuming that by this time the Church has been reunified, the world Christian, and sanctity the norm rather than the exception: Also known as the Kingdom of God. :)
Hobbes314 2 years ago
On a more critical note. I don't think its proper for the Pope to assume that we must make an everlasting compromise with sin. The political order that you describe is the solution of Babel - a sort of emergency solution. The lasting solution desired by God (God's will is creative and doesn't fail, does it?) is Pentecost and the Kingdom. This is what the Pope should be tirelessly promoting, even if it's unattainable to sinful humanity. Holiness is God's gift, not our accomplishment.
Hobbes314 2 years ago
I don't think anyone is asking anyone to wave their sovreignty. It is simply arguing for greater accountability. For instance, the US army can commit war crimes anywhere and not be accountable to anyone, since the US does not acknowledge the world court or the hague war crimes tribunal.
capone70 2 years ago
I hope that the Pope would reject the idea of a One World Government. It's just give me the chills. And you are correct, its very utopian and unrealistic. We must reject the temptation of an idea that a person or a centralized system can work in a global scale. We might one day ended up having leaders that will be so bad that would make Hitler and Stalin like common street thugs. Again, very nice commentary.
archgin742000 2 years ago
Rome was the ancient equivalent of a one world government. Without it, there would be no Christian church as we know it today. While initially persecuted by this world government, the church later coopted it. So, good can come from a one world goverment.
capone70 2 years ago
Its not the OWG per se that is the problem. Right now, almost everyone recognizes the importance of having a global view of things. But what I don't like from this OWG is the fact that we are giving too much power to some global body that has no accountability and we don't have the capacity to make any audit on their activities. Giving powers to the very few to govern our everyday lives is not the way I like to live.
archgin742000 2 years ago
Remember the all famous saying: "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". We don't need a OWG as we are already in a de facto OWG. Through the internet and improved communications and trasportation systems, we are in effect a smaller world. What we need is a global body that serves as a referee and not as a body that dictates our every move. Even God when He mentions about the Kingdom of God, He merely inviting us, not forcing us to enter to His Kingdom. This OWG is different.
archgin742000 2 years ago
I would like to make an example: Climate Change. Yes, its a global problem and we are all affected by it. But just imagine if we are in a OWG environment and this government is ruled by the extreme left. We know their ideology on climate change, they want to reduce population drastically by hounding us everyday with information that we are the problem and even babies are a problem. The result, a global ordinance on abortion and forced sterilisation. Now that is OWG and I don't like it.
archgin742000 2 years ago
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pmrodden 2 years ago