The Virgin Queen BBC 2005 Ep 1 / 3-6

[chykim1]

ewww! did king philip smell his fingers after touching elizabeths hair??

[TheMatchstick123]

I thought Mary's husband was spanish not french.

[AlexandraKuper]

@TheMatchstick123 you are right he is was King Philip of Spain the same one who attacked england years later and failed miserably

[kingslegion1]

well more scenes of catholic love like christ, yes we can all just see how christ would burn unbelievers, how in the living hell can anyone call another person christian who would condone something as evil as this,,, burning other human beings.. this is pure political evil doers using christ and his name to do their evil,, and it can get no more evil than that.. so far tho.. the movie is good and pretty well done.. i like it.

[ladycontrary725]

Elizabeth reminds me of both her parents while in a rage!

[ladycontrary725]

Ohhhhh, NOW I get why Mary was wearing that weird bodice. It was for protection since she would be alone with Elizabeth.

I was like, "Wow Mary, I know you set some questionable fashion trends later in life but c'mon!"

[ladycontrary725]

Kinda nitpicky but wasn't Phillip like 24 or 26 when he was King of England?

[1976valy]

well ... Had Henry allowed mary to Marry, he would have had prefectly several grandsons to inherit de throne, just as Hennry ll succeded through his mother. PS: why is Pillip portrayed so old?

[MegaWolfgang]

Bloody Mary. Bloody, Bloody Mary.

[xocraziixo]

im sorry...i cant pay attention to the dialogue...her forehead is just so huge its distracting.

[lelem92]

why did they burn the two men?

[RMayA46]

@lelem92 because they were protestant ministers - mary was trying to make England catholic again and so killed hundreds of protestants.

[iorixs]

humanity is a sick barbaric loser

[Renton6echo]

As much as Mary seems to hate her sister, it was she who actually took care of Elizabeth as a child when Henry would not.

Poor Mary. I bet she felt that it was the fact that she was not born a male that cause the rift between Henry and her mother, and Henry and the Church. She felt obligated to "fix" the nation just because Henry didn't think a woman could rule on the throne. Men...

[hatefullll]

omg...this girl's depiction of Elizabeth looks like ZELDA (the scary sister) on the movie Pet Cemetary!!!!

YOU'LL NEVER GET OUT OF BED AGAIN! NEVER GET OUT OF BED AGAIN!!!!!

[heikkipoo]

say what you want about redheads. they obv rule :)

[EnglishRose719]

@heikkipoo Hell yes!

[astrofabio68]

what's this crap? Phillip was a handsome and young guy...he was 27 years old and here is like 50! this series like all th eothers are always black and white the dark and evil spaniards agaist the pure, white and liberals english ..come on!

this is a tlaes to scary childs...

[mckfrr]

One sister will do well as the other, well sorry you were wrong.

[AstriaICOW]

Phillip actually doesn't care about protestant/catholic one way or the other. He finds Mary repulsive and hardly ever slept with her, and he doesn't actually care if Elizabeth ascends to the throne. He was outta the picture (went traveling) at this point historically.

[HandmaidenEowyn96]

" How can I endure this purgeratory without stimulation?Without conversation? Without the rigour of debate?" I love that line, it shows Elizabetg's spirit well.

[ErykahBadu1]

@HandmaidenEowyn96 i like that line 2!

[yossariancomplex]

I love the way the English media still demonises the Papists- not that there isn't reason to see them in that light.

[hedonistic2008]

Princess Mary wears an armor. Fear for her life?

[captainmandy]

i think she plays elizabeth veerrry well. <3 props.

[MsAlicelouise]

OMG!

"god rest mary who excecuted far less people that any other tudor!

WRONG.

i think you'll find elizabeth executed the least amount of people.

[MelinaPendulum]

@MsAlicelouise That's not true either

[MsAlicelouise]

@MelinaPendulum not sure it matters tbh..

[MelinaPendulum]

@MsAlicelouise Since that is what she is infamous for I think it does

[Renton6echo]

@MsAlicelouise Actually the amount are pretty much equal. Mary put to death (burned) around 250+ Protestant, and Elizabeth hung, drew and quartered 300+ Priests. I cannot really be a judge as to which is worse since it is all history, but I will say that they do as monarchs do...

[shesu89]

@Renton6echo but Mary reigned for 5 years while Elizabeth reigned 44 years

[EnglishRose719]

@Renton6echo But Elizabeth ruled 44 years and Mary only 5, how many more would Mary have had burned had she reigned so long? Having read about Mary I find it highly doubtful that she would have abandoned her ardent devotion to her religion and changed her ways.

[MsAlicelouise]

wtf, mary was freakin' insane.

no wonder.. but nothing that happened to her justifies how she burnt all of those protestants.

as for elizabeth she lost her mother too.

and anne boleyn wasn't necesarily a harridan.

this is all history so don't pass judgement on people who lived bloody hundreds of years ago!

[mckfrr]

Let's all agree that King Henry was cruel to all his wives and daughters in different ways. Let's not favor Elizabeth or Mary, because they both suffered under hands. They both lost their mothers.

[nassauguy48]

Poor Mary. Separated from her mother when the latter was breathing her last, forced to wait upon the harridan Anne Boleyn and to baby sit and comfort the ungrateful Elizabeth and Edward, forced into spinsterhood by her father, persecuted for her faith by her brother, nearly overthrown by the conniving supporters of Jane Grey, married to a cheating and negligent Philip, and dealing with a plotting sister. God rest Queen Mary, who executed far less people than any other Tudor.

[miffysniffy]

lol

she didnt even communicate with eliz and edward

they lived separately....

[ligreekguy]

Not true, especially during the time when Catherine Parr was married to Henry, and united all the children under one roof. Also, during the time of Anne Boleyn, Mary was compelled to reside at the same manor as Elizabeth, and of course, to wait upon her needs. She evidently did so with eagerness, as she loved children, and had nothing against the baby Elizabeth despite the cruelty of Anne.

[MelinaPendulum]

@miffysniffy Incorrect. They made Mary live with Elizabeth and she helped raise both her siblings.

[DIGS179]

Thats gotta be SO FUCKING HOTT!

[BloomingSparrow]

I feel bad for both Elizabeth and Mary (after what Henry VIII did to both of them). Elizabeth was an excellent queen, however, I don't believe she was completely innocent when it came to the Wyatt Rebellion during Mary's reign. Elizabeth had a lot of ambition, which led her to become one of the greatest monarchs in British history. Both Elizabeth and Mary were very similar in many ways, they both just didn't realize it.

[alonelychild]

I hope and I pray to GOD that never again we torture and burn people in His Name!

[kinnoul123]

Thats whats happening in Islamic countries and communities as we speak.

[Jamestopboy]

I hope and Pray to god that William finds a wife that cna give him a son or this could happen again if the daughter holds a grudge

I know how Elizabeth feels. I am the ONLY protestant in my family ever person from every generation before me has been catholic, all except my aunt and her husband and children, so if i do get kicked out then i can live with them

[TheBeachbum03]

I think Anne-Marie Duff is beautiful. I also agree that out of all the actresses that have played The Queen, she may be the one that looks the most like her from all the paintings I have seen of her.. But I think she is gorgeous, and she plays this role wonderfully! YOU GO ANNE-MARIE DUFF!!

[glodsbride86]

well said my friend.

[TheBeachbum03]

thanks honey! I really think that out of all the movies (old and new) that Ms Duff portrayed her perfectly, and looks soo much like her. But again, she is far from ugly! Thanks! ;)

[Jaihdev]

I don't know... I personally believe that Elizabeth was probably pretty when she was young. For one, BOTH her grandmas were official renowned beauties. Her father, his sister Mary, and possibly Arthur were also very attractive. Also, Henry was attracted to intelligence but I highly doubt he'd favour Anne Boleyn if she were UNattractive (and since he was quite a shallow man, he probably had high standards). I think she was probably at least pretty in her youth... possibly until late 30s or 40s.

[AikokoXD]

Anne-Marie Duff has a different kind of beauty. But she is the most accurate Elizabeth in looks and her performance is quite good. But Cate Blanchett was probably the best Elizabeth. Plus Elizabeth wasn't considered to be a classical beuty. She had eyeproblems and she needed a nose job. Anne-marie is perfect in this role.

[alonelychild]

No way, Glenda Jackson is the BEST Elizabeth! Blanchett was the most beautiful undoubtly.

[chaircat]

to Hhostclub a pretty elizabeth i thought of for a seck and than i realized the real elizabeth was not that beautiful so i think they chose the right person for the job.

[MewoAndTheCrow]

A prettier elizabeth? :S

I think this actress(anne-marie) does a wonderful job, and portrays her amazingly well. She is beautiful.

[hijodepu]

she´s talented but shé NOT beautiful, don´t get carried away. joanne wahlley is beautiful.

[MewoAndTheCrow]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, my friend. :)

[hijodepu]

that´s what ugly people say, my friend! peace.

[lamenzies]

How fortunate we are to have you to help us judge beauty!

[mirrorofsin]

Why? If you're really interested in history you wouldn't care how pretty the actress is... Ann Marie Duff is probably quite close to the real Elizabeth... at least she's realistic. And she does a great job.

[speciesamused]

In real life she is James McAvoy's long time girlfriend.

[NaerLin]

wife, as I read

[fleurgi]

grr i'm jealous. i love him in children of dune and atonement

[Panicfan54]

They're married

[speciesamused]

That is grand.

[littlesushii]

maybe he looked older then Mary....it could have happened

[focusonimage]

Will u be posting the rest of The Virgin Queen"?...I love this movie!

[Jaihdev]

eww he has grey hair... She's too young for you Philip! (I mean, in this unhistorical portrayal of the two he is). Damn they sure made the historical six-year-difference look more like a 40 year one!)

[tikala2000]

I really like how they have Elizabeth speaking Spanish in this version as she really was a fluent speaker. In most TV or film versions of her life the writers just have her speaking English, although she spoke half a dozen languages fluently.

[emrldeyez]

1:18...why is Mary wearing a breastplate as if she were going into battle? I know it is a constant battle of trust and wills with Elizabeth, but honestly, the subtle hint in wardrobe that says Elizabeth is the enemy really annoys me

[histroy58]

I think it might be because they are trying to emphasize that, at this point, Mary was so crazy and paranoid that she thought she was in danger of attack from everyone.

[xxcookiejord]

she ias wearing that because she thinks elizabeth will try and attack her

[munichlady]

The world would be a better place if people stopped being religious and started being human.

[letgo2217]

totally agree no offense to anyone but if u look at history and even now in modern times so many terrible things happen becuase people are so torn about something like religion its sad people should just do and believe in what they want and stop trying to force their ideas on others

[aniqika]

this is not accurate...first of all elizabeth conformed to the catholic faith to aviod execution. second, when she DID come out of captivity (after time in the tower plus subsequent house arrest) mary was not nearly as hostile or hateful upfront. good show though.

[PhillyGal4Ever]

Well Mary is always portrayed as the crazy, paranoid, hateful middle-aged shrew versus beautiful, young and brilliant Elizabeth. It's rather annoying in a way because by all contemporary accounts Mary was kind to Elizabeth even up to her coronation-and after suspicion of Elizabeth's part in the rebellion had passed Mary continued to send Elizabeth gifts and treated her well though she naturally remained wary-who wouldn't in the same circumstances?

[prideorion7]

Good job,Anne!You really look like Bess

[Jaihdev]

This is extremely unhistorical!!! Elizabeth and Philip were born 6 years earlier and he really was quite handsome with swarthy looks; he was never fat and he was never that much older than Bess! Elizabeth didn't actually like him, but she was probably attracted to his looks and crept into his favour by charming him. It was very public that the two were horsing around, but not anything in the bedroom. Because of Bess' smarts to charm the "Inquisition Prince," she was protected from Mary's wrath.

[thesweettudorrose]

wow!!Ann-Marie duff plays Elizabeth perfectly

[Jaihdev]

Ive read a lot on Mary and though she was intolerant of beliefs that was the only thing she disliked about Bess. She forgave her sister for the rebellions, cuz often it was clear Bess had committed treason by just talking to the wrong people. Bess could even have been tried for talking to another "traitor" in the Tower, Sir Robert Dudley. Mary spared her sister, though she was frustrated by Bess' religious tolerance. England hated her for marrying a Spaniard and for her brutality of Protestants.

[babyklee66]

there was no real proof against elizabeth and as for mary there was more then one reason she hated elizabeth... elizabeths mother was henreys wife after catherine, mary was forsed to be elizabeths mere sevent when she was a baby and then there was there different beleifs.. also elizabeth was young, beautiful,intelligent, loved and wanted... things mary didnt have

[ekthebomb]

poor mary all she wanted was a baby and some love !!!

[Luthce]

Mary should be uglier

[IloveRichardArmitage]

No she shouldn't. I don't believe there's any evidence that Mary was ugly. Adaptations about Elizabeth just like to portray her that way just to make us sympathise morewith Elizabeth.

[Luthce]

Maybe not. But in the biography of Elizabeh and in the biography of Mary Stuart and in another book I've read, she was described as such.

[fabmad48]

Though Mary was trying to be kind in a wierd way by burning them, she believed that this purfied their souls and allowed them to go to heaven;they'd burn in this world to be saved from burning in purgatory

[ABoleynFan1505]

is that Philip the second!!!! He was never fat, in fact he was much younger the Queen Mary and was said to be very handsome and charming.

[Biggsy1988]

I agree. I thought that when i first saw the show he was like 10 years younger then Mary wasn't he.

[PhillyGal4Ever]

IIRC Phillip was 27 and Mary 38 when they married. And portraits show he was a slim man and actually rather attractive if one likes the type.

[Luthce]

They met a few times.

[IloveRichardArmitage]

ye they did meet and she got pregnant twice with him but it was a phantom pregnancy.

[cupcake101]

Being burned alive is just too frightening to watch!

[alien1123]

this is much much much better than all those comercial hollywood blockbusters,even though it is a tv miniseries

[MikeBorley]

Wow both Ann-Marie Duff & Joanne Whalley are amazing as the characters! Such great sister chemistry!

[PhillyGal4Ever]

What I love is that physically both actresses bare a resemblance as sisters-and to the real Tudor Quenes of old. :)

[Biggsy1988]

I like this too...Deffo one of my fave productions :)

[faeryquene]

Wow! I just wrote about the same thing Philly! That's exactly what I was thinking when I watched the two Tudor sisters together.

[lilypotter111]

uhhh burning people alive is plain evil can't watch ahhhhhhhh!!

[yammyrob]

the fire scene sends a shiver through me. an amazing series though

[Ladissea]

The actress playing Mary, Ive seen her before in Scarlett I just cant remember her name, is really doing a he** of a good job during these scenes.

[roxallanna]

She is Joanne Whalley (ex Val Klmer's wife).

[roxallanna]

Sorry, /Kilmer.

[PhillyGal4Ever]

I think Joanne is well-cast. She gives a hint of Mary's former good looks (per contemporary accounts) having faded away with stress, and worry.

[roxallanna]

Yes, I think that, too. She is a great actress. :)

Best wishes to you!

[anaofaragon]

Nice! I was thinking that too. All that stress and worry put a HUGE strain on Mary's looks. She was actually very lovely to look at as a young girl, then years of hardship touched her and drained her. She looked so much older than her actual age. If you didn't know her age, you might think she was in her mid to late 60s. Word to the wise: Stress is not a healthy beauty product.

[littlesushii]

I think it's a bit too much only the part when Mary's Husband appears older then Mary herself

[wierdsquirrelgirl]

6:05 Through 7:17 was just plain evil. I don't care what they did!