RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) : its members have knowingly taken hundreds of millions of dollars of other peoples’ songwriter royalties over the past few years.
The RIAA used to be the singular voice of the music industry but no longer. The majority of music 70% being distributed, bought, sold, shared and streamed today is coming from outside the traditional industry.
“Black Box Money” The old school music industry (EMI, UNIVERSAL, WARNER, SONY) has found a way to get your money – they actually steal it. It's called “Black Box Money” Everytime YOUR music is heard in stream radio, television, downloaded etc. It generates money. If you don't collect this money,Warner, EMI, Universal, Sony will legally steal it.
…more than 50 police, tax officials and staff from Spain’s Audit Office were involved in Operation Saga, the culmination of a two-year investigation into the dealings of Spanish music rights and anti-piracy groups SGAE .The complaint alleges that SGAE operatives set up companies and used revenue destined for artists to generate profit for themselves and their families, and that money bound for artists living abroad was diverted to personal Swiss bank accounts.”
It doesn't matter what the math is. They have no method of tracking live performances but collect and "distribute" to the correct writer of the song....right. In someone's dream.
@RhythmJMusic PROs in a nutshell. They collect 16% of the revenue from people, giving it mainly to the top 200 acts in the US. Personally, I'm an engineer, but the math involved in calculating what people need to spend on PROs versus what they spend on being sued for copyright is ridiculous. Not only that, EMI just dropped them, and most new record labels don't use them. PROs are going the way of the do-do and I'm glad for it.
@Jyagos1 16% is not accurate, thru the years is has been about 8-11%. Also there are much more than the top 200 acts are getting paid five to 6 figure checks every month by these PROs (deserving). Producers, TV music writers, jingle writers, muzak writers etc. People who's name you will never know because they don't perform live or have a hit on top 40 Radio. You don't have to be known to get money. Also, artists who don't write their music (ie. Rihanna) are not getting paid by PROs either
@RhythmJMusic There's a lot more to be said about this but I'm mainly limited to the 500 char. here. The rest I'll take to PM, but as I've seen the PROs, they are doing more harm to society than good. Sure, they're helping a few backstage artists, but going for the maximum amount that the copyright board allows has very bad side effects of helping close down places that young musicians play. Actually happened in my area, and I'm NOT happy about it.
@Jyagos1 Again, none of this is accurate. And your source information you sent me is not consistent with what you are posting here. Please stop confusing people trying to learn.
@Jyagos1 EMI did not drop any PROS either. Also record labels don't pay PROs. Radio, TV, websites, and venues do - where are you getting your information from? Please try not to throw off people.
Some of this is false, these member reps need to stop saying that people get paid for "every time" your song is performed. Not accurate. There are intricate surveys that are involved. Fair surveys but defiantly not every performance - that would be impossible.
You collect money from club owners and do NOT distribute royalties to the musicians. You do not keep track of the songs being performed live in venues and do NOT distribute collected funds to the musicians you CLAIM to represent!! Please tell musicians the truth about this practice.... shame on you!
You collect money from club owners and do NOT distribute royalties to the musicians. You do not keep track of the songs being performed live in venues and do NOT distribute collected funds to the musicians you CLAIM to represent!! Please tell musicians the truth about this practice.... shame on you!
They threaten club owners on the mere presumption that one of their songs is being played. The common rationalization provided by their hired internet trolls is that it's inconceivable that a venue exists that's never played one of ascap/bmi's millions of songs, as though it counts as proof.
The most important thing to consider when choosing a PRO is "will they help me?" Try to get to an event where you can meet artist reps for all three. Get a feel for them. Do you like them? Do they like you? PROs can do a lot to help you but they have to know who you are...you need a relationship with your rep. SESAC is the smallest and some people think better because of it...
@eventsinmusic The PROs are a leach on the very people they claim to represent. Ask them right up front to show you how they distribute money they collect from live venues, and watch the flower/card disappear up their sleeves.
@FLstudioMexico avoid this service...as it is NOT a service. It is a disservice to the very people they claim to serve. They can't go away quickly enough for me.
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RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) : its members have knowingly taken hundreds of millions of dollars of other peoples’ songwriter royalties over the past few years.
The RIAA used to be the singular voice of the music industry but no longer. The majority of music 70% being distributed, bought, sold, shared and streamed today is coming from outside the traditional industry.
Onecoffe1 1 week ago
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“Black Box Money” The old school music industry (EMI, UNIVERSAL, WARNER, SONY) has found a way to get your money – they actually steal it. It's called “Black Box Money” Everytime YOUR music is heard in stream radio, television, downloaded etc. It generates money. If you don't collect this money,Warner, EMI, Universal, Sony will legally steal it.
Onecoffe1 1 week ago
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SGAE (Ladrones)from Spain
…more than 50 police, tax officials and staff from Spain’s Audit Office were involved in Operation Saga, the culmination of a two-year investigation into the dealings of Spanish music rights and anti-piracy groups SGAE .The complaint alleges that SGAE operatives set up companies and used revenue destined for artists to generate profit for themselves and their families, and that money bound for artists living abroad was diverted to personal Swiss bank accounts.”
Onecoffe1 1 week ago
It doesn't matter what the math is. They have no method of tracking live performances but collect and "distribute" to the correct writer of the song....right. In someone's dream.
humminglake 1 month ago
@RhythmJMusic PROs in a nutshell. They collect 16% of the revenue from people, giving it mainly to the top 200 acts in the US. Personally, I'm an engineer, but the math involved in calculating what people need to spend on PROs versus what they spend on being sued for copyright is ridiculous. Not only that, EMI just dropped them, and most new record labels don't use them. PROs are going the way of the do-do and I'm glad for it.
Jyagos1 8 months ago
@Jyagos1 16% is not accurate, thru the years is has been about 8-11%. Also there are much more than the top 200 acts are getting paid five to 6 figure checks every month by these PROs (deserving). Producers, TV music writers, jingle writers, muzak writers etc. People who's name you will never know because they don't perform live or have a hit on top 40 Radio. You don't have to be known to get money. Also, artists who don't write their music (ie. Rihanna) are not getting paid by PROs either
RhythmJMusic 6 months ago
@RhythmJMusic There's a lot more to be said about this but I'm mainly limited to the 500 char. here. The rest I'll take to PM, but as I've seen the PROs, they are doing more harm to society than good. Sure, they're helping a few backstage artists, but going for the maximum amount that the copyright board allows has very bad side effects of helping close down places that young musicians play. Actually happened in my area, and I'm NOT happy about it.
Jyagos1 5 months ago
@Jyagos1 Again, none of this is accurate. And your source information you sent me is not consistent with what you are posting here. Please stop confusing people trying to learn.
RhythmJMusic 5 months ago
@Jyagos1 EMI did not drop any PROS either. Also record labels don't pay PROs. Radio, TV, websites, and venues do - where are you getting your information from? Please try not to throw off people.
RhythmJMusic 6 months ago
Provide publicity?! PROs are not Marketing services. Misleading.
RhythmJMusic 9 months ago
Some of this is false, these member reps need to stop saying that people get paid for "every time" your song is performed. Not accurate. There are intricate surveys that are involved. Fair surveys but defiantly not every performance - that would be impossible.
RhythmJMusic 9 months ago
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is this just for songwriters that wrote songs for other artist...or can a artist that write his own songs sign up too?
spark505 9 months ago
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You collect money from club owners and do NOT distribute royalties to the musicians. You do not keep track of the songs being performed live in venues and do NOT distribute collected funds to the musicians you CLAIM to represent!! Please tell musicians the truth about this practice.... shame on you!
humminglake 11 months ago
You collect money from club owners and do NOT distribute royalties to the musicians. You do not keep track of the songs being performed live in venues and do NOT distribute collected funds to the musicians you CLAIM to represent!! Please tell musicians the truth about this practice.... shame on you!
humminglake 11 months ago
@humminglake
They threaten club owners on the mere presumption that one of their songs is being played. The common rationalization provided by their hired internet trolls is that it's inconceivable that a venue exists that's never played one of ascap/bmi's millions of songs, as though it counts as proof.
leeharveyosmosis 4 months ago
The most important thing to consider when choosing a PRO is "will they help me?" Try to get to an event where you can meet artist reps for all three. Get a feel for them. Do you like them? Do they like you? PROs can do a lot to help you but they have to know who you are...you need a relationship with your rep. SESAC is the smallest and some people think better because of it...
eventsinmusic 1 year ago
@eventsinmusic The PROs are a leach on the very people they claim to represent. Ask them right up front to show you how they distribute money they collect from live venues, and watch the flower/card disappear up their sleeves.
humminglake 1 month ago
So... Which should I go for? BMI, ASCAP or SESAC?
HAMayoral 1 year ago 2
thanks for this
Janusonly 2 years ago
Im from mexico, ive been recieving some contracts for licensing my music, but i dont have joined ascap, bmi or sesac.
how can i do it?
FLstudioMexico 2 years ago
@FLstudioMexico avoid this service...as it is NOT a service. It is a disservice to the very people they claim to serve. They can't go away quickly enough for me.
humminglake 1 month ago