if a creator of the universe existed and was very powerful he isn't omnibenevolent(he doesn't stop suffering).... then why doesn't he mess with the laws of physics on a daily basis... it would be extremely fun to have a robber pull the trigger of a gun and instead of the bullet going forwards it goes backwards into the shooter... also mess with gravity(call it gravy for a laugh) and stuff ... why doesn't he do that?.... probably because he doesn't exist.
We all believe in different Gods but worship the same one. Each and every religion worships the same God in different ways. Believing in God is what God is looking for NOT choosing the right God because the only God that would be wrong to worship would be Satan... im only labeling him as a God because he gets stronger with every sin and every corrupt man that he obtains.
God does absolutely forgive sinner if you ask him with all your heart. Christians pray for those who don't grow up religious homes, so that they can go to heaven.
I dunno how an all-forgiving and all loving god can't even forgive sinners and aendsthem to hell. How about people that are not born in religious backgrounds, so they go to hell. God sounds like a merciless, evil bastard to me
@Awesomeduud God doesn't send people to hell. God gives them choices and they choose to not accept Him, therefore your choices send you to hell. And as for people who don't grow up in religious backgrounds, God reveals Himself through His creation.
everybody's right, but in their own beliefs. I personally believe that "god" is more accurately defined as a disambiguation rather than a concept (at least in the eyes of the religious). life is something you find out for yourself, not let a book define you. the future is not absolute, as it is effected by the present and the relative past, but the best and only way to accurately predict the future is to make it happen.
I would have to say I am certainly agnostic about almost everything that I don't have direct experience with. But I am definitely atheist about the subject of theism.
Anyway, thanks for saying I sound intelligent. You may be overstating the case, but I'll accept it. :)
@TheManWhoAwoke Yeah, labels suck, sorry. My favorite word of all time is "spectrum". I think you were really on to something with the 'if there is a God, we don't know anything about him". Also, the bit about basing life and arguments on a manual. I don't know how, but you've summarized all my problems with religion without utterly offending those who believe in God. Too many atheists take it a step too far it seems, to where they only offend without purpose.
@TheManWhoAwoke Godzilla? I laughed so hard. Almost woke the whole house up. So I've watched a few more of your videos. You should make more. Dead serious. I came to an epiphany with your "god is the devil" video.
Nice to banter about with an intelligent cognitive. You'll have to fill me in about this epiphany - though it may be time to take this to the private message realm.
"The Bible can be interpreted in many different ways." Show me the different ways to interpret this o enlightened one: "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only son." John 3:18
what are the different ways to interpret this: "Who is the liar? It is the man that denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist - he denies the Father and the Son." 1 John 2:22
True, many people deceive themselves and think they know who God is or that they are living as "Christians" when all they do is BELIEVE in God or A God. James says "You believe there is one God - good! Even the demons believe that, and shudder" James 2:19.... believing there is a God or even believing in God himself does not make you a Christian. "Do not merely listen to the word and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says."
Obeying Jesus means you love him and therefore live in his teachings, grace, and salvation. See some people worship money, actors, themselves, or even sports and sports teams. But as for us, we know who our Creator is and the God we worship is THE GOD. "I am the Alpha and the Omega, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:8 We worship the same God, the living True God who will return and will "Give to each person according to what he has done.
To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger." Romans 2:8
@BrandonG5993 haha, I thought it said honor and immorality. I will search for truth until I die. I wish I could say truth meant anything other than a five-letter word beginning with T to me. I invite you to enlighten me via pm if you desire. You will receive no wrath and anger from me but I may ask many questions. Convert me. Please.
@BrandonG5993 haha. I'll use that as an excuse when I meet God and he asks why I've been living in sin. "the first time i asked someone to convert me he said I figured it out already". Fair nuff. tatah.
or if this being would give a shit...or that life arose spontaneously taking this god being by surprise.... (who would invent a universe knowing everything that it contained...what a fucking waste of time)
perhaps if you would open your mind to the possibility that god exists instead of trying to find reasons why he cant, then you might grow closer to him. i'm not religious and i dont go to church. but i do seek truth, and to this day i have not found one person who could convince me that god doesnt exist or that we have no purpose.
I would suggest that you open your mind to the possibility that life is a staggering mystery without any real meaning. That way you could be closer to a more likely truth. But you probably wouldn't like that, so I won't suggest it.
@TheManWhoAwoke or to the possibility that it's not even a staggering mystery but a simple reality, and even a cold, hard, cruel reality to hundreds of millions if not billions of "souls" who wil never know anything but suffering, despair and misery in their short (if they're lucky) lives.
i wish i had a video camera because i would make you look retarded. saying that "all of us believe in a different god" may be true, but that doesnt rule out the possibility that god exists... perhaps god exists and we all perceive him in a different way.... because afterall, we are all different people.
and i think its funny, your video is edited quite a lot. foggy minded at all?? why should we take your opinion seriously? when you cant even effectively explain what it is...
I'm proposing that it's unlikely that he/she/it/them/etc is anything close to what we imagine.
And as follows, if it isn't what we imagine... maybe it's not a god in the first place.
You just don't like what I'm saying.
Yes the video is edited. I'm not a professional speaker. I tend to ramble on and stumble over words sometimes. If you want to see a real pro, go check out Pat Condell :)
@driscol1818 it's interesting that you feel you would need a video camera to make the poster look retarded, when you've done an amazing job of making yourself look retarded without one. the man couldn't have made it any clearer that he obviously doesn't rule out the possiblity of a god or gods. In fact, that was essentially the entire point of the video, and at no point did his sometimes meandering words suggest anything remotely contrary...unless, of course, you happen to be retarded. (you)
I will say i agree with u on your idea of no 1 can KNOW...which is why it does annoy me when people say i am an atheist, i know there is no god. Theism/atheism is all about BELIEF.if it was knowable,then it wouldnt b about belief.
I am 99.9% sure that there r no gods, including yhwh...do i know...absolutley not. I coudl be wrong...but i have seen nothing that woudl make me think otherwise.
Hey TheManWhoAwoke your great, may you have a wonderfull life. Bless you and your family. The hardest journey for a human being is about a foot long, from your mind to your heart.
"This question has been plaguing me and would love to hear your insight.
What's your thoughts on the idea of a God existing, without an actual afterlife?"
I'm a fellow agnostic But whenever I observe the universe, life begins to look overrated. I HATE having that thought. I think I'm gonna video blog about it. Anyways...what's your opinion?
A god without an afterlife is an interesting thought, but no more than that for me.
You appear to be making the assumption that I understand what you mean by the term "God".
I reject the question, simply because I don't understand what that particular term, "God", means to you - so I cannot address the question with any confidence.
Now, if you simply mean "creator" - sure, there could be a creator and no afterlife. That's all I can say because I know nothing of this "creator".
It's bold to assert that religious people have no -direct experience- with God... Some people have had spiritual experiences that they can only explain by attributing them to God, and they share these experiences with other religious folks, often with excitement and astonishment. It is one of the things that upholds their faith.
I don't think it's bold at all. I think it's a common sense reaction to the prospect of one claiming to have a direct experience with god.
Spiritual experience, as you so aptly put it (whatever that may actually be), may be interpreted by one as a direct experience with their personal deity, of course.
@TheManWhoAwoke In that case, though, there is nothing that -can- qualify an experience as devine. Well, maybe if you write a book about it that lasts a couple thousand years and gains a lot of followers... But that isn't proof. It's marketing.
@TheManWhoAwoke The thing is, though, that we talk and discuss things like sadness and anger and love as well. They, too, are subjective experiences, and we seek advice for dealing with them and understanding them. Still, no-one else can say with complete certainty what you are feeling right now. Does that make discussion of them obsolete? And how can anyone tell me with certainty that a subjective experience I had was not (or was) devine?
Also, I think it is important to stress here that I don't reject claims of divine experience, just the notion that the person having the experience has any idea what they are experiencing.
Well, I'm sure we wont come to an agreement about this.
I don't know why you want to argue in favor of an undefinable spiritual experience, but I will never agree that just because one has what can only be interpreted as the proverbial spiritual experience - one can claim to understand it's cause, it's meaning, or it's origin.
If I tell you I'm sad, I'm not making claims about my personal deity. I'm just sad.
I understand your idea... Not one person on this entire planet knows the truth about anything in isn't in the physical plane. People think they do... When every Human is willing to say "I know nothing with any certainty"... maybe then the world will be better. But that won't ever happen, so I'll just stand with those that do admit such, or by myself if I have to. Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that will never be questioned
This reminds me of the time my Fundamentalist History teacher taught that Islam, Christianity, and Judaism all worshipped the same God (implying that there is one God); I wanted to say, "Every single person on this Earth worships a different God or no God. No two people and especially no two religions follow the exact same God, because it's a subjective concept."
The Religion vs. Atheism debate ultimately cannot be won by either side. Religion is based on faith, which obviously does not offer proof of any kind. Otherwise it isn't faith. Science cannot prove everything yet, and the idea that it one day will be able to prove everything (the Big Bang, how life began, etc.) is just a theory.
Personally, I believe that neither stance is better than the other. Both offer good points and both have advantages/disadvantages.
I guess I agree with you. The debate about proof is absurd anyway. Science is merely word to describe the analytic process of understanding our material environment.
We don't "believe" in science, we practice it - we can build a nuclear submarine or bake some cookies.
"Religion" is a word that describes any hodge-podge of mythology, legend, ideology, morality, spirituality, etc. as a form of propaganda. We can make up a religion today and start promoting it.
1.a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena
From Dictionary(dot)com ;-P There are a few other definitions, but I didn't include them due to character constraints and non-practicality. This definition pretty much sums up the applicable ones. Feel free to look it up.
Science can't prove "everything" (nor will it) but the default position on things is not questions them...especially if they are important and the question of God is definitely important.
Atheism isn't saying "there is no God" it's saying "I don't believe in one as their is not evidence".
I think you're arguing with the wrong guy. I'm agnostic. But everywhere i've posted this everyone assumes I'm a Christian. I'd like to say that what I said was very neutral, but everywhere I post it I always end up having to defend religion. Your comment is at least thought out and educated, but most are just emotional, hateful reactions against religion. In fact, most of them are against Christianity. I'm starting to think there are more prejudice Atheists than Theists.
I'm not trying to attack you, I'm just wary of people that split the difference between two sides and want everyone to stop arguing. Argument can be productive.
I was trying to say that the default position of something is to not believe it. While technically I'm agnostic about leprechauns (I can't disprove them) in my day-to-day life I'm an a-leprechaunist for the same reasons I'm an atheist. These are quite big claims (there is a god, there are little green dudes) that require evidence.
I started loling at you repeating and dumbing down your...whatever this is. Makes me think you think all people who are religious are also retarded. Great job!
K. So stop persecuting Christians. You're making a generalization that all Christians are intolerant of non-Christian beliefs, which is an act of persecution in itsself.
I'm very supportive of tolerance, but tolerance goes both ways.
your an agnostic atheist. if you don't actively believe a god exists that means your an atheist. if you allow for the possibility that such a thing COULD exist, then that makes you agnostic. agnosticism and atheism are not mutually exclusive according to most definitions of these terms. if you believe god exists but admit that you don't know that for a fact, that would make you an agnostic theist. i hope that clears things up a little. not a criticism, just trying to dispel this misconception.
I appreciate your clarification. Language (especially modern english) is a very useful tool for clarification, but "labels" bother me. I don't consider myself an agnostic atheist - I mean, those two words do accurately describe my outlook on the world - but I'm uncomfortable with the idea of subscribing to a set of principles based on "agnostic atheism".
i share completely same belifs with you sir. i dont know if god is or is not exist, and i dont even really care. but i do know that there is now other being in this earth no man or animal, who can deside whats going to happen to me when i die
Actually, this much I do know....Christians, Jews, and Muslims all believe in the SAME GOD......we just believe different things about him. There are similar aspects within each one...
Now, I'm not saying God is real, that's just what I believe. However, I admire the fact that you believe in the possibility that God could exist; people just don't have the hard evidence to FULLY support one side or another.
In short, TheAmazingAtheist is kind of a jerk; your the TRUE Amazing athiest....
@Naxel4359 ...science believe the possibility of everything...religions dont believe the possibility of not being any god...im sry if you dont understand my bad english..ill say it differently just in case...everything science say is a theory and no theory can be 100% disproved so science believe that everything COULD be true...while any religions base is the removal of believing in anything else than this specific taught...
u fall under the catagory of kickass athiest u admit that there could be a god or there could not be a god u acept facts that anything could of happened inj the creation we werent there we dont know
Picture a perfect triangle. Now ask a friend of yours to picture a perfect triangle.
Are you both picturing something different? It would seem the answer must be no, simply by what the definition of a perfect triangle is. So you would concede that it is possible for two people to imagine the same thing.
I'm not suggesting that God is simple or easy to understand. But I think there may be certain things that can be universally understood.
No that's not an argument, that's deciding what people should imagine...if I said picture an Oldsmobile or a woman we all KNOW what beautiful cars or beautiful woman look like, RIGHT!!! Not really, because they are different from the one I'm picturing...and my triangle is going to have a diversity all it's own as well... WE will not believe in the same triangle, I can assure you of that.
@posismoke Well it stands to reason that if your triangle consists of anything other than a three sided object whose angles equal 180 degrees then you're not imaging a triangle, are you? There really isn't a lot of room for interpretation in the field of math.
You make a good point, except that mathematics are abstract conceptual attributes, for the purpose of describing and/or manifesting physical constructs.
I am imagining a perfect triangle made of chain link, supported by a bamboo scaffold, wrapped in pasted newspaper, painted yellow with blue stripes, and is 600 feet from angle to angle.
my triangle is made out of the actual numbers by which it is calculated, it can float only when imagined three dimensionally... if imagined in one dimension then it is always green...my triangle can be any size any time and there for can change it's mathematical dimensions, so you see... we will NOT agree on how a triangle presents it's self or from what it is calculated by. For any one person. anything short of that is telling people what to imagine...specifically
to me who really cares if some dude did or didn't, raise people from the dead or walk on water turn water to wine. Only things that ever really mattered is some dude saying to be compassionate to each other. and EVEN then IT STILL DOESN'T MATTER if the dude ever existed .That's the message all cultist followers miss that are too caught up on miracles and theocratic debates and killing each other over it. all the rest is nonsense and vainly inconsequential.
that cultists believe more about forcing their theocracy than the understanding the importance of the meaning of the words of their own mystical deity.
If there is/was a god, he was an actual creature just like we were. But through technology and betrayal he only managed to achieve immortality, power, and all the god-like qualities we give him.
After wasting time posting to the clueless folks arguing for and against god based on "evidence" or a lack thereof on TJ's vid-site, it's nice to know I'm not alone here. It's amazing how many people can't fathom the concept, "you can never know".
Oh well of course you can't ever truly know until the day comes when you pass away from this world and onto where-ever it is we truly do end up. But, as many say, "that's the purpose of Faith". Like, you have faith the floor will hold you up when you step on it, you have faith your key will let you in your house, you have faith that the government knows what its doing (ha, not so much anymore), and people have faith that there is God and that they're safe.
@Aftershines There's a subtle difference between faith and belief. I believe the floor will hold me up because I understand how it's built and what gravity is. I believe the key will work because the lock is well engineered and maintained. I can study and verify these things.
The presence of God on the other hand, is untestable and unknowable. Believing/not believing in god is an act of faith. Very different than believing the lock will work.
@Aftershines, people do not have faith that the floor will hold them, they have stepped on the floor before, you have time and time again seen that the floor will hold you up. Having faith in it would be if you had never seen the floor before and you are just trying it out. Faith is just hope that something is true. So why are you so confident to walk across your living room? You are not hoping that the floor will work, you know it will. And besides, at least you know how the floor works.
@phreon: readin the Bible is supposed to tell you generally how God works so you can better understand Him.
@frostedheart63: Fine, point taken. So, you don't always understand how people work, but when you tell someone a secret, do you have faith in them keeping it? You wouldn't (or shouldn't!) tell them if you didn't have faith in their ability to keep your secret. You trust that they'll do as you ask and keep it. And you also have faith that they'll be there for you and even be your friend.
@Aftershines I think I see what you are trying to say here--however, that way of thinking doesn't work for me, personally.
I don't call just anyone a friend of mine. A friend of mine has shown me what type of person they are before I consider them a friend. I've personally witnessed the deeds that they do, the things that they say, how they treat people, etc...I don't rely on the words and/or experiences of others or what I wish them to be to tell me what those potential friends really are.
@TheEndingx once again im forced to object. first of all, to say that i dont believe in jesus is 2 say that he is or was at some point god. even though this thought is a violation of the ten commandments supposedly carved by lightning by god himself, u still continue to state that atheist do not believe in jesus. and i am an atheist that believes there was a dude named jesus, i know a few now but they wont turn my clear spring water into champagne yet, he must be racist.
I'm just saying you are very uneducated because you doubt that there was a Jesus. You are too blinded. You sound like you are crying ... Searching my comment history (Cry?) lying (LOL?) Insulting me (Oh NOES!) Picking on typos (Cry me a river) Lol I'm attacking you're nationality? I asked you what kind of education do you receive in England? You are such an uneducated baby. Are you emotionally stable? You are pathetic really. A big hypocrite, who denies FACT.
Holding a Honours Degree does not make me uneducated.
I said there was little evidence to support that position, that does not translate to "I doubt." Again your inability to read is not my problem.
Whilst I don`t really care about your childish insults and certainly am not crying about them, I am using them to point out your inability to make an argument. BTW, "Brit" is disparaging.
Perhaps you could demonstrate my hypocrisy? Or are you using words heard in the playground?
Does it really matter? British Higher Education has a much lower standard than that of US higher education.
May I remind you of the Revolutionary War?
The decline of Britain?
How your country revolves a puppet monarchy?
Come on get real.
If you're offended by Brit, then you need a reality check. Atheists are so sensitive. Well maybe just you, after years of bullying, you take your so called intelligence on the internet.
You may remind me of what you will, sadly for you, being British means I don`t really give a shit. See other countries don`t take a retarded pride in the fact that they happened to be born on a specific piece of land.
I didn`t say I was offended by "Brit" I said it was disparaging. Once more, your inability to read is not my problem.
Goodness you are really sensitive. Take some pride in your country!
"being British means I don't really give a shit."
You are representing your country and your faith. You have FAITH that there is no God. You also have FAITH that being British to you has no meaning.
It is truly depressing to watch you deteriorate and show your true colors. Countries have pride, nationality if you will. It's being proud of your country, where you were born..
Sorry for asking you to study theology, I really meant go back to the 3rd grade and learn to type.
Keyboarding lessons anyone?
First of all, your argument was that there were no historical facts supporting that there was a Jesus.
I proved you wrong. In fact, the overwhelming majority of scholars know that there was in fact a Jesus of Nazareth living around that time period. Whether he was Christ or not is up to you.
Since I've been giving you arguments, give me yours? Proof against it.
Man, you don´t even know how to define God, how do you want anyone to believe in this???
And so what if he is 13? He can´t express his opinions? It´s not a competition, you should show what you think and your arguments, not how many ways of humiliation you know...this is a reaction of a 11 year-old-boy.
And you know that atheist is the one that don´t believe in God, not in Jesus or Santa, right?
Many people don´t believe in Jesus, but do so in God ( you heard about jews, right?). And many others don´t believe in Santa, witches and unicorns. That does´not make them atheists either.
Please answer with decent arguments, not a 'you must be a 5-year-old-spanish-girl'.
There actually was a person named Jesus of Nazareth.
So historically you need to learn your facts.
Another thing ..
You are so ignorant, if I asked a smart and intelligent atheist if historically a man named Jesus walked around the Earth 2000 years ago the answer would be YES.
Several Jewish writings also tell of His flesh-and-blood existence. Both Gemaras of the Jewish Talmud refer to Jesus. Although these consist of only a few brief, bitter passages intended to discount Jesus deity, these very early Jewish writings dont begin to hint that he was not a historical person.
One of antiquitys greatest historians, Cornelius Tacitus, affirmed that Jesus had suffered under Pilate. (He was a secular historian)
All of these independent accounts, religious and secular, speak of a real man who matches up well with the Jesus in the Gospels. Encyclopedia Britannica cites these various secular accounts of Jesus life as convincing proof of his existence. It states:
These independent accounts prove that in ancient times even the opponents of Christianity never doubted the historicity of Jesus.
All of these independent accounts, religious and secular, speak of a real man who matches up well with the Jesus in the Gospels. Encyclopedia Britannica cites these various secular accounts of Jesus life as convincing proof of his existence. It states: These independent accounts prove that in ancient times even the opponents of Christianity never doubted the historicity of Jesus.
if you don't believe in God and there is no God then you die and it's all over...if there is a God you go to hell since you didn't believe....if you believe in God and there is no God you die and it's all over...if there is a God you go to heaven since you did believe...might as well give it a shot..worst thing that could happen is the same thing that would've happened if there wasn't a God
@Jessikia527 well i wasn't saying that's why i do it...lol...really i think talking to people is a waste of time about things like this...they gotta make up their own mind...nothing i can say is gonna change it for them...
Some atheists can be just as stupid and bullying with telling everybody else what to think.
SuzLa1 2 weeks ago
@SuzLa1
Is that directed squarely at me or just a a general observation?
TheManWhoAwoke 2 weeks ago
if a creator of the universe existed and was very powerful he isn't omnibenevolent(he doesn't stop suffering).... then why doesn't he mess with the laws of physics on a daily basis... it would be extremely fun to have a robber pull the trigger of a gun and instead of the bullet going forwards it goes backwards into the shooter... also mess with gravity(call it gravy for a laugh) and stuff ... why doesn't he do that?.... probably because he doesn't exist.
doombybbr 2 months ago
We all believe in different Gods but worship the same one. Each and every religion worships the same God in different ways. Believing in God is what God is looking for NOT choosing the right God because the only God that would be wrong to worship would be Satan... im only labeling him as a God because he gets stronger with every sin and every corrupt man that he obtains.
lilpunk144 6 months ago
Your dialect makes you sound like you're from the northeast US... may around the Boston area. Am I close?
keter1234 6 months ago
Am I crazy or does the whole "Pffft, you're going to hell anyway" seem like the Christian equivalent to a thirteen year old girl saying "Whatever."
TranscendantShadows 8 months ago
Game Theory covers this sort of approach well.
chad93728 8 months ago
I'm not sure about god and what not and I agree on alot nice video
MCRxICP 8 months ago
God does absolutely forgive sinner if you ask him with all your heart. Christians pray for those who don't grow up religious homes, so that they can go to heaven.
UniformedFashionista 9 months ago
I dunno how an all-forgiving and all loving god can't even forgive sinners and aendsthem to hell. How about people that are not born in religious backgrounds, so they go to hell. God sounds like a merciless, evil bastard to me
Awesomeduud 9 months ago
@Awesomeduud God doesn't send people to hell. God gives them choices and they choose to not accept Him, therefore your choices send you to hell. And as for people who don't grow up in religious backgrounds, God reveals Himself through His creation.
EchoesInEternity989 9 months ago
@EchoesInEternity989: Agreed and 100% true. I am a Christian, and all Atheists just piss me fucking off.
erpuzzetta01 8 months ago
@erpuzzetta01 then prey to god asking for the punishment for all the atheist, and maybe, just maybe, all your wish come true soon
LALALALAAAAAAA lalalalaaaa shaaaalalala!!!!!
missyego 8 months ago
@missyego: Pfff, you're going to hell anyway... Sorry man.
erpuzzetta01 8 months ago
Excellent.
NIETZSCHEAN14 10 months ago
I'm atheist, but God to me is gun toting black bamf with l337 shades.
DruudeOwns 10 months ago
everybody's right, but in their own beliefs. I personally believe that "god" is more accurately defined as a disambiguation rather than a concept (at least in the eyes of the religious). life is something you find out for yourself, not let a book define you. the future is not absolute, as it is effected by the present and the relative past, but the best and only way to accurately predict the future is to make it happen.
zeldagamerDX6 10 months ago
TJ would have liked this video a lot.
willsevysmile 10 months ago
@willsevysmile is TJ gone or something?
amberview30 9 months ago
That was the most intelligent thing I've heard from an atheist in a long time. (Maybe it's cause you're agnostic). Well said, Good Sir.
fizzingwhizbeee 1 year ago
@fizzingwhizbeee
Ah, labels. What would we do without them?
I would have to say I am certainly agnostic about almost everything that I don't have direct experience with. But I am definitely atheist about the subject of theism.
Anyway, thanks for saying I sound intelligent. You may be overstating the case, but I'll accept it. :)
TheManWhoAwoke 1 year ago
@TheManWhoAwoke Yeah, labels suck, sorry. My favorite word of all time is "spectrum". I think you were really on to something with the 'if there is a God, we don't know anything about him". Also, the bit about basing life and arguments on a manual. I don't know how, but you've summarized all my problems with religion without utterly offending those who believe in God. Too many atheists take it a step too far it seems, to where they only offend without purpose.
fizzingwhizbeee 1 year ago
@fizzingwhizbeee
Hmmm... maybe I am intelligent! =)
My favorite word is Godzilla. Funny - that never struck me as quite so ironic as it does this moment.
TheManWhoAwoke 1 year ago
@TheManWhoAwoke Godzilla? I laughed so hard. Almost woke the whole house up. So I've watched a few more of your videos. You should make more. Dead serious. I came to an epiphany with your "god is the devil" video.
fizzingwhizbeee 1 year ago
@fizzingwhizbeee
Well this is fun, isn't it?
Nice to banter about with an intelligent cognitive. You'll have to fill me in about this epiphany - though it may be time to take this to the private message realm.
TheManWhoAwoke 1 year ago
"The Bible can be interpreted in many different ways." Show me the different ways to interpret this o enlightened one: "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only son." John 3:18
what are the different ways to interpret this: "Who is the liar? It is the man that denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist - he denies the Father and the Son." 1 John 2:22
BrandonG5993 10 months ago
"You all believe in a different God"
True, many people deceive themselves and think they know who God is or that they are living as "Christians" when all they do is BELIEVE in God or A God. James says "You believe there is one God - good! Even the demons believe that, and shudder" James 2:19.... believing there is a God or even believing in God himself does not make you a Christian. "Do not merely listen to the word and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says."
BrandonG5993 10 months ago
Obeying Jesus means you love him and therefore live in his teachings, grace, and salvation. See some people worship money, actors, themselves, or even sports and sports teams. But as for us, we know who our Creator is and the God we worship is THE GOD. "I am the Alpha and the Omega, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:8 We worship the same God, the living True God who will return and will "Give to each person according to what he has done.
BrandonG5993 10 months ago
To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger." Romans 2:8
BrandonG5993 10 months ago
@BrandonG5993 haha, I thought it said honor and immorality. I will search for truth until I die. I wish I could say truth meant anything other than a five-letter word beginning with T to me. I invite you to enlighten me via pm if you desire. You will receive no wrath and anger from me but I may ask many questions. Convert me. Please.
fizzingwhizbeee 10 months ago
@fizzingwhizbeee
pm? and how can I enlighten you, you seem to have it all figured out already
BrandonG5993 10 months ago
@BrandonG5993 haha. I'll use that as an excuse when I meet God and he asks why I've been living in sin. "the first time i asked someone to convert me he said I figured it out already". Fair nuff. tatah.
And PM is private messaging.
fizzingwhizbeee 10 months ago
or if this being would give a shit...or that life arose spontaneously taking this god being by surprise.... (who would invent a universe knowing everything that it contained...what a fucking waste of time)
arrogance would be the right word.
MumblingMickey 1 year ago
it's difficult indeed to put these kinds of thoughts into a form that somebody religious can understand, well said out
AForsakenHero 1 year ago
perhaps if you would open your mind to the possibility that god exists instead of trying to find reasons why he cant, then you might grow closer to him. i'm not religious and i dont go to church. but i do seek truth, and to this day i have not found one person who could convince me that god doesnt exist or that we have no purpose.
driscol1818 1 year ago
@driscol1818
I would suggest that you open your mind to the possibility that life is a staggering mystery without any real meaning. That way you could be closer to a more likely truth. But you probably wouldn't like that, so I won't suggest it.
TheManWhoAwoke 1 year ago
@TheManWhoAwoke or to the possibility that it's not even a staggering mystery but a simple reality, and even a cold, hard, cruel reality to hundreds of millions if not billions of "souls" who wil never know anything but suffering, despair and misery in their short (if they're lucky) lives.
PumpingSmashkins 1 year ago
@PumpingSmashkins
Well, that's harsh way of looking at it, but I suppose it is accurate for millions in this world.
However, I was addressing the mystery of life in and of itself, consciousness if you will. I don't think we'll ever learn "who" or "what" causes it.
I do believe we will be able to replicate it in the future, but that hardly answers the original question of where we got it in the first place.
TheManWhoAwoke 1 year ago
i wish i had a video camera because i would make you look retarded. saying that "all of us believe in a different god" may be true, but that doesnt rule out the possibility that god exists... perhaps god exists and we all perceive him in a different way.... because afterall, we are all different people.
and i think its funny, your video is edited quite a lot. foggy minded at all?? why should we take your opinion seriously? when you cant even effectively explain what it is...
driscol1818 1 year ago
@driscol1818
I think you miss the point entirely.
I am not saying that a god does not exist.
I'm proposing that it's unlikely that he/she/it/them/etc is anything close to what we imagine.
And as follows, if it isn't what we imagine... maybe it's not a god in the first place.
You just don't like what I'm saying.
Yes the video is edited. I'm not a professional speaker. I tend to ramble on and stumble over words sometimes. If you want to see a real pro, go check out Pat Condell :)
TheManWhoAwoke 1 year ago
@driscol1818 it's interesting that you feel you would need a video camera to make the poster look retarded, when you've done an amazing job of making yourself look retarded without one. the man couldn't have made it any clearer that he obviously doesn't rule out the possiblity of a god or gods. In fact, that was essentially the entire point of the video, and at no point did his sometimes meandering words suggest anything remotely contrary...unless, of course, you happen to be retarded. (you)
PumpingSmashkins 1 year ago
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chocolate8872 1 year ago
@chocolate8872
Are you looking for an argument? If so, you've come to the right place.
Your statement makes no sense at all. You just lost the argument.
TheManWhoAwoke 1 year ago
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chocolate8872 1 year ago
@chocolate8872
That's very hostile. Why are you so angry?
TheManWhoAwoke 1 year ago
A belief in an representational intercessory god gives one a false sense of sophistication.
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
Great video, really rare to find any one with half a brain. Especially on youtube.
KainsVison 1 year ago
@KainsVison
Thanks for the comment.
I'll take that as a compliment!
TheManWhoAwoke 1 year ago
@TheManWhoAwoke Yeah, sorry if I worded that wrong. You aren't a idiot, most people are. lol.
KainsVison 1 year ago
non believer here(hate the term atheist).
I will say i agree with u on your idea of no 1 can KNOW...which is why it does annoy me when people say i am an atheist, i know there is no god. Theism/atheism is all about BELIEF.if it was knowable,then it wouldnt b about belief.
I am 99.9% sure that there r no gods, including yhwh...do i know...absolutley not. I coudl be wrong...but i have seen nothing that woudl make me think otherwise.
jpapan1 1 year ago
Hey TheManWhoAwoke your great, may you have a wonderfull life. Bless you and your family. The hardest journey for a human being is about a foot long, from your mind to your heart.
Much Love
charizardisbeastly 1 year ago
@charizardisbeastly
OK, thanks.
TheManWhoAwoke 1 year ago
@TheManWhoAwoke don't think about god too mush
dragonfighter4171 1 year ago
I guess I can say the same thing too.
I have no knowledge of the Creator of the universe...Damn it.
HelloMrSal 1 year ago
Life is complex.
Ain't it?
-Question!
"This question has been plaguing me and would love to hear your insight.
What's your thoughts on the idea of a God existing, without an actual afterlife?"
I'm a fellow agnostic But whenever I observe the universe, life begins to look overrated. I HATE having that thought. I think I'm gonna video blog about it. Anyways...what's your opinion?
HelloMrSal 1 year ago
@HelloMrSal
A god without an afterlife is an interesting thought, but no more than that for me.
You appear to be making the assumption that I understand what you mean by the term "God".
I reject the question, simply because I don't understand what that particular term, "God", means to you - so I cannot address the question with any confidence.
Now, if you simply mean "creator" - sure, there could be a creator and no afterlife. That's all I can say because I know nothing of this "creator".
TheManWhoAwoke 1 year ago
It's bold to assert that religious people have no -direct experience- with God... Some people have had spiritual experiences that they can only explain by attributing them to God, and they share these experiences with other religious folks, often with excitement and astonishment. It is one of the things that upholds their faith.
SerpentStare 1 year ago
@SerpentStare
I don't think it's bold at all. I think it's a common sense reaction to the prospect of one claiming to have a direct experience with god.
Spiritual experience, as you so aptly put it (whatever that may actually be), may be interpreted by one as a direct experience with their personal deity, of course.
But that hardly qualifies the experience as such.
TheManWhoAwoke 1 year ago
@TheManWhoAwoke In that case, though, there is nothing that -can- qualify an experience as devine. Well, maybe if you write a book about it that lasts a couple thousand years and gains a lot of followers... But that isn't proof. It's marketing.
SerpentStare 1 year ago
@SerpentStare
It's hard to tell where you stand on the matter. Perhaps that is deliberate on your part.
TheManWhoAwoke 1 year ago
@TheManWhoAwoke The thing is, though, that we talk and discuss things like sadness and anger and love as well. They, too, are subjective experiences, and we seek advice for dealing with them and understanding them. Still, no-one else can say with complete certainty what you are feeling right now. Does that make discussion of them obsolete? And how can anyone tell me with certainty that a subjective experience I had was not (or was) devine?
SerpentStare 1 year ago
@SerpentStare
We do not, however, claim to understand these emotions - nor do we all experience identical emotional responses to the same things.
I don't support this analogy because it crosses a bridge we all understand (emotion) and have objective experience with.
A so-called "divine" experience is something we all don't understand and the details are utterly subjective.
TheManWhoAwoke 1 year ago
Also, I think it is important to stress here that I don't reject claims of divine experience, just the notion that the person having the experience has any idea what they are experiencing.
TheManWhoAwoke 1 year ago
@TheManWhoAwoke
How can you have objective experience of emotions?
Exactly the reason I use emotion as an example is that it is a subjective experience, just like any spiritual experience.
SerpentStare 1 year ago
@SerpentStare
Well, I'm sure we wont come to an agreement about this.
I don't know why you want to argue in favor of an undefinable spiritual experience, but I will never agree that just because one has what can only be interpreted as the proverbial spiritual experience - one can claim to understand it's cause, it's meaning, or it's origin.
If I tell you I'm sad, I'm not making claims about my personal deity. I'm just sad.
TheManWhoAwoke 1 year ago
I understand your idea... Not one person on this entire planet knows the truth about anything in isn't in the physical plane. People think they do... When every Human is willing to say "I know nothing with any certainty"... maybe then the world will be better. But that won't ever happen, so I'll just stand with those that do admit such, or by myself if I have to. Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that will never be questioned
AerisSirrus 1 year ago
@AerisSirrus Very well put, AerisSirrus. I like to think that philosophy and religion are not always mutually exclusive, and definitely shouldn't be.
SerpentStare 1 year ago
Fantastic
proof that aetheists are smarter than religous ppl
fromstart2finish 1 year ago
Love this. That's all I can say. You took the thoughts right out of my head.
KakaIruShipper 1 year ago
@KakaIruShipper
Glad you dig it!
TheManWhoAwoke 1 year ago
Plausibility?
kspencerg 1 year ago
@kspencerg
What are you referring to?
TheManWhoAwoke 1 year ago
This reminds me of the time my Fundamentalist History teacher taught that Islam, Christianity, and Judaism all worshipped the same God (implying that there is one God); I wanted to say, "Every single person on this Earth worships a different God or no God. No two people and especially no two religions follow the exact same God, because it's a subjective concept."
nocturnezero 1 year ago 2
hi, chk tis out same gospel of john,, can anybody know what is jesus talking??
"If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid.
John 5:31
I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me."
John 8:18
all same verses NIV,, there're more than meet the eye.. thanks
wutee64 2 years ago
You sir, have gotten my applause.
Din0Pancak3 2 years ago
God is just a mental abstraction. And everyone knows it.
FaganRoberts 2 years ago
The Religion vs. Atheism debate ultimately cannot be won by either side. Religion is based on faith, which obviously does not offer proof of any kind. Otherwise it isn't faith. Science cannot prove everything yet, and the idea that it one day will be able to prove everything (the Big Bang, how life began, etc.) is just a theory.
Personally, I believe that neither stance is better than the other. Both offer good points and both have advantages/disadvantages.
jimmyboo12 2 years ago
@jimmyboo12
I guess I agree with you. The debate about proof is absurd anyway. Science is merely word to describe the analytic process of understanding our material environment.
We don't "believe" in science, we practice it - we can build a nuclear submarine or bake some cookies.
"Religion" is a word that describes any hodge-podge of mythology, legend, ideology, morality, spirituality, etc. as a form of propaganda. We can make up a religion today and start promoting it.
TheManWhoAwoke 2 years ago
@jimmyboo12
Ah, but religion is LESS than a theory.
whittleddownbattery 2 years ago
the·o·ry noun,plural-ries.
1.a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena
From Dictionary(dot)com ;-P There are a few other definitions, but I didn't include them due to character constraints and non-practicality. This definition pretty much sums up the applicable ones. Feel free to look it up.
How does religion not fit that definition?
jimmyboo12 2 years ago
I see it a bit differently. I feel that religion absolutely does NOT fit that definition because
1)Religion relies heavily on incoherency and abstraction
2)General propositions in religion are used simply to authorize its principles, rather than attempt to explain anything.
3)Religion does not address any particular class of phenomenon.
Do you disagree with that?
TheManWhoAwoke 2 years ago
Science can't prove "everything" (nor will it) but the default position on things is not questions them...especially if they are important and the question of God is definitely important.
Atheism isn't saying "there is no God" it's saying "I don't believe in one as their is not evidence".
majinspy 2 years ago
I think you're arguing with the wrong guy. I'm agnostic. But everywhere i've posted this everyone assumes I'm a Christian. I'd like to say that what I said was very neutral, but everywhere I post it I always end up having to defend religion. Your comment is at least thought out and educated, but most are just emotional, hateful reactions against religion. In fact, most of them are against Christianity. I'm starting to think there are more prejudice Atheists than Theists.
jimmyboo12 2 years ago
I'm not trying to attack you, I'm just wary of people that split the difference between two sides and want everyone to stop arguing. Argument can be productive.
I was trying to say that the default position of something is to not believe it. While technically I'm agnostic about leprechauns (I can't disprove them) in my day-to-day life I'm an a-leprechaunist for the same reasons I'm an atheist. These are quite big claims (there is a god, there are little green dudes) that require evidence.
majinspy 2 years ago
I started loling at you repeating and dumbing down your...whatever this is. Makes me think you think all people who are religious are also retarded. Great job!
xKristianH 2 years ago
@xKristianH
Glad to know you found it humorous!
TheManWhoAwoke 2 years ago
EXACTLY. so hey, christians, STOP FUCKING PERSECUTING PEOPLE because you cant POSSIBLY know what any kind of deity wants! STFU. GTFO.
TheGreatStonedOne 2 years ago
K. So stop persecuting Christians. You're making a generalization that all Christians are intolerant of non-Christian beliefs, which is an act of persecution in itsself.
I'm very supportive of tolerance, but tolerance goes both ways.
jimmyboo12 2 years ago
Hey man ,if god exist please give his address I want put in my GPS,would you?
babri62 2 years ago
your an agnostic atheist. if you don't actively believe a god exists that means your an atheist. if you allow for the possibility that such a thing COULD exist, then that makes you agnostic. agnosticism and atheism are not mutually exclusive according to most definitions of these terms. if you believe god exists but admit that you don't know that for a fact, that would make you an agnostic theist. i hope that clears things up a little. not a criticism, just trying to dispel this misconception.
nevererevadid 2 years ago
@nevererevadid
I appreciate your clarification. Language (especially modern english) is a very useful tool for clarification, but "labels" bother me. I don't consider myself an agnostic atheist - I mean, those two words do accurately describe my outlook on the world - but I'm uncomfortable with the idea of subscribing to a set of principles based on "agnostic atheism".
TheManWhoAwoke 2 years ago
i share completely same belifs with you sir. i dont know if god is or is not exist, and i dont even really care. but i do know that there is now other being in this earth no man or animal, who can deside whats going to happen to me when i die
Kaljatynnyri 2 years ago
Actually, this much I do know....Christians, Jews, and Muslims all believe in the SAME GOD......we just believe different things about him. There are similar aspects within each one...
Now, I'm not saying God is real, that's just what I believe. However, I admire the fact that you believe in the possibility that God could exist; people just don't have the hard evidence to FULLY support one side or another.
In short, TheAmazingAtheist is kind of a jerk; your the TRUE Amazing athiest....
Naxel4359 2 years ago
@Naxel4359 ...science believe the possibility of everything...religions dont believe the possibility of not being any god...im sry if you dont understand my bad english..ill say it differently just in case...everything science say is a theory and no theory can be 100% disproved so science believe that everything COULD be true...while any religions base is the removal of believing in anything else than this specific taught...
DIVAD291 1 year ago
u fall under the catagory of kickass athiest u admit that there could be a god or there could not be a god u acept facts that anything could of happened inj the creation we werent there we dont know
gunsnsmith 2 years ago
Here's maybe an issue with your argument.
Picture a perfect triangle. Now ask a friend of yours to picture a perfect triangle.
Are you both picturing something different? It would seem the answer must be no, simply by what the definition of a perfect triangle is. So you would concede that it is possible for two people to imagine the same thing.
I'm not suggesting that God is simple or easy to understand. But I think there may be certain things that can be universally understood.
TheMethodSocratic 2 years ago
@TheMethodSocratic
No that's not an argument, that's deciding what people should imagine...if I said picture an Oldsmobile or a woman we all KNOW what beautiful cars or beautiful woman look like, RIGHT!!! Not really, because they are different from the one I'm picturing...and my triangle is going to have a diversity all it's own as well... WE will not believe in the same triangle, I can assure you of that.
posismoke 2 years ago
@posismoke Well it stands to reason that if your triangle consists of anything other than a three sided object whose angles equal 180 degrees then you're not imaging a triangle, are you? There really isn't a lot of room for interpretation in the field of math.
TheMethodSocratic 2 years ago
@TheMethodSocratic
You make a good point, except that mathematics are abstract conceptual attributes, for the purpose of describing and/or manifesting physical constructs.
I am imagining a perfect triangle made of chain link, supported by a bamboo scaffold, wrapped in pasted newspaper, painted yellow with blue stripes, and is 600 feet from angle to angle.
What does your "perfect triangle" look like?
TheManWhoAwoke 2 years ago
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posismoke 2 years ago
@TheMethodSocratic
my triangle is made out of the actual numbers by which it is calculated, it can float only when imagined three dimensionally... if imagined in one dimension then it is always green...my triangle can be any size any time and there for can change it's mathematical dimensions, so you see... we will NOT agree on how a triangle presents it's self or from what it is calculated by. For any one person. anything short of that is telling people what to imagine...specifically
posismoke 2 years ago
@posismoke im unsure but could we believe in maths....by example saying that 2+2=4...
DIVAD291 1 year ago
uneducated or unconditioned
to me who really cares if some dude did or didn't, raise people from the dead or walk on water turn water to wine. Only things that ever really mattered is some dude saying to be compassionate to each other. and EVEN then IT STILL DOESN'T MATTER if the dude ever existed .That's the message all cultist followers miss that are too caught up on miracles and theocratic debates and killing each other over it. all the rest is nonsense and vainly inconsequential.
galidorn1 2 years ago
@galidorn1 well your'message' way of forcing itself on everyone in itself i contradictory...
DIVAD291 1 year ago
@ DIVAD291
Wait.... whats "My message" ?...
that cultists believe more about forcing their theocracy than the understanding the importance of the meaning of the words of their own mystical deity.
galidorn1 1 year ago
ok... you lost me at about a minute and a half, fucking boring, man,
FUCKING BORING.
DjH4ck 2 years ago
Here's a cool way I like to think of it:
If there is/was a god, he was an actual creature just like we were. But through technology and betrayal he only managed to achieve immortality, power, and all the god-like qualities we give him.
ImTheKobold 2 years ago
After wasting time posting to the clueless folks arguing for and against god based on "evidence" or a lack thereof on TJ's vid-site, it's nice to know I'm not alone here. It's amazing how many people can't fathom the concept, "you can never know".
phreon1 2 years ago
Oh well of course you can't ever truly know until the day comes when you pass away from this world and onto where-ever it is we truly do end up. But, as many say, "that's the purpose of Faith". Like, you have faith the floor will hold you up when you step on it, you have faith your key will let you in your house, you have faith that the government knows what its doing (ha, not so much anymore), and people have faith that there is God and that they're safe.
it's all a matter of believing.
Aftershines 2 years ago
@Aftershines There's a subtle difference between faith and belief. I believe the floor will hold me up because I understand how it's built and what gravity is. I believe the key will work because the lock is well engineered and maintained. I can study and verify these things.
The presence of God on the other hand, is untestable and unknowable. Believing/not believing in god is an act of faith. Very different than believing the lock will work.
phreon1 2 years ago
@Aftershines, people do not have faith that the floor will hold them, they have stepped on the floor before, you have time and time again seen that the floor will hold you up. Having faith in it would be if you had never seen the floor before and you are just trying it out. Faith is just hope that something is true. So why are you so confident to walk across your living room? You are not hoping that the floor will work, you know it will. And besides, at least you know how the floor works.
frostedheart63 2 years ago
@phreon: readin the Bible is supposed to tell you generally how God works so you can better understand Him.
@frostedheart63: Fine, point taken. So, you don't always understand how people work, but when you tell someone a secret, do you have faith in them keeping it? You wouldn't (or shouldn't!) tell them if you didn't have faith in their ability to keep your secret. You trust that they'll do as you ask and keep it. And you also have faith that they'll be there for you and even be your friend.
Aftershines 2 years ago
@Aftershines I think I see what you are trying to say here--however, that way of thinking doesn't work for me, personally.
I don't call just anyone a friend of mine. A friend of mine has shown me what type of person they are before I consider them a friend. I've personally witnessed the deeds that they do, the things that they say, how they treat people, etc...I don't rely on the words and/or experiences of others or what I wish them to be to tell me what those potential friends really are.
frostedheart63 2 years ago
As you can see,
Atheists like Nakedhominid continually act ignorant and do not look over any facts.
Even if you do not believe in Christianity, you cannot deny that Jesus was a real person, from Nazareth.
Publicly crucified under Pontius Pilate, Jesus small band of disciples multiplied rapidly, spreading as far as Rome.
Jesus disciples denied polytheism, lived moral lives, and worshiped Christ as God,
Jesus enemies acknowledged that he performed unusual feats they called sorcery.
TheEndingx 2 years ago
@TheEndingx once again im forced to object. first of all, to say that i dont believe in jesus is 2 say that he is or was at some point god. even though this thought is a violation of the ten commandments supposedly carved by lightning by god himself, u still continue to state that atheist do not believe in jesus. and i am an atheist that believes there was a dude named jesus, i know a few now but they wont turn my clear spring water into champagne yet, he must be racist.
TheInfinitequestion 2 years ago
First of all, my responses were not towards you but to another ignorant atheist.
Now to shed some light...
You have no basis or analysis at all.
You said that you "believes there was a dude named jesus"
You sound very ignorant and stupid. My guess is that you are 13 years old? Possibly? Hmm? "he must be racist"
What????
And you call yourself an atheist? You probably haven't even passed the 7th grade yet.
Learn your facts and know your place.
TheEndingx 2 years ago
Its funny how you can provide nothing but childish insults to support your position.
I expect thats what Jesus would have done also?
Nakedhominid 2 years ago 2
No ... What I find funny now is that you have no response because now you BELIEVE that Jesus WAS a real person.
You know I'm correct and you know there is overwhelming evidence.
You're only saying what you are saying now because you have nothing else to say, so you want to attack what I said to someone else.
Desperate? Mhmm.
Well I'm glad I changed your ignorant mind.
I'm glad you believe in Jesus now.
Another ignorant atheist down ... A couple more to go ..
TheEndingx 2 years ago
People like you create atheists if anything.
apestaartje321 2 years ago
If trhere is "overwealming evidence" It should be a trivial matter to porduce some.
I wonder why you have not done so?
Nakedhominid 2 years ago
I won't answer someone who has already been answered.
I gave you three different secular sources.
By the way ... I don't want to be a grammar and spelling Nazi ... You have terrible spelling.
"trhere" "overwealming evidence" "porduce"
Get an education, learn to spell, learn your facts, study theology, learn about Jesus and maybe you will one day understand.
Very ignorant and uneducated atheist.
TheEndingx 2 years ago
@TheEndingx
So. Your argument is now based on typos?
Thats truly epic. Well played.
You did not give me a single source that was contemperanious with Jesus supposed life.
Care to try again? Or do you wish to simply pick typos or name call like a child?
Nakedhominid 2 years ago
Name me THREE sources to prove Jesus was NEVER ALIVE.
He never walked this Earth.
And then I'll be happy to believe you.
I can't believe how stupid you are.
You're actually denying that there was Jesus Christ walking on this Earth? A HUMAN BEING.
Reality check anyone?
TheEndingx 2 years ago
@TheEndingx
And yet you cannot produce any of this overwhelming evidence, nor can you offer any argument beyond insults. Thats sad.
Now you laughably demand negative evidence? Don`t be absurd, its not for me to disprove your claim.
So, where is this evidence that is so conclusive?
Nakedhominid 2 years ago
@Nakedhominid
Lol. You're completely going off the topic. I already showed you THREE sources.
Encyclopedia Britannica.
And TWO secular scholars.
Even TheAmazingAtheist knows that there was a historical Jesus around. You're just too stupid.
What you are saying is that there was never a Jesus walking on this Earth.
You keep trying to avoid the subject. You know I'm right. Tell me Brit, what are you trying to say?
What do they teach you there in the UK?
Hmm?
TheEndingx 2 years ago
@TheEndingx
No. You produced an encyclopedia. Not a contempary source.
Tacitus. Not a contempary source and doesn`t mention Jesus anyway.
The Talmud. Not contempary with Jesus and not secular.
You have not offered a single piece of this overwhelming evidence. I wonder why this is?
Nakedhominid 2 years ago
@Nakedhominid
Oh and by the way.
Don't be a hypocrite.
This is what you stated to someone else ... on another video at @oxkate .. And you tell me that I type nothing, but insults..
"You are an idiot"
"For fucks sake"
Lol hypocrite anyone?
Grow up man. You know you are wrong.
TheEndingx 2 years ago
@TheEndingx
I responded to oxkate calling me a "tit"
Thus I insulted him in response to him doing it to me.
I have not once offered any insult towards yourself, yet that is all you have hurled at me.
You have no argument, no evidence, nothing. That is why all you can do is insult me, pick on typos and search through my comment history.
If your argument was as great as you claim, you could have destroyed me long ago with facts. Funny how you haven`t
I await your evidence.
Nakedhominid 2 years ago
I can't change a stubborn mind that's already set on one thing.
All I'm going to tell you now ... and this is probably the last thing I will tell you ..
You are wrong.
No respected scholar today has rejected the notion of a historical Jesus.
Just Google it. You already have I bet, and you're just to pathetic to admit that I'm correct.
Case closed.
TheEndingx 2 years ago
@TheEndingx
Actually, you are entirely INCORRECT.
Note that I have not expressed an opinion on whether Jesus existed or not? I simply said that there is no contemporary evidence for him.
There isn`t.
I accept your apology.
Nakedhominid 2 years ago
Lol you call me incorrect?
I stated that Jesus was in fact real and this was your response ..
"There is little evidence to support that."
Don't change your words British boy.
Stop acting intelligent because you are too stubborn to admit that you are wrong.
What kind of education do you receive in England anyway?
Jesus EXISTED.
No scholar today has challenged that and that is a FACT. You are blinded by your arrogance.
Stupid, uneducated, and atheist ...
What a COMBO! =)
TheEndingx 2 years ago
@TheEndingx
I have changed no words, your inability to read is not my problem.
I asked you to provided ONE contemporary account of Jesus.
You have thus far responded by.
Searching my comment history,
Lying,
Attacking my nationality,
Insulting me,
Picking on typos.
What would your god have to say about that, I wonder?
Nakedhominid 2 years ago
TheEndingx 2 years ago
@TheEndingx
Holding a Honours Degree does not make me uneducated.
I said there was little evidence to support that position, that does not translate to "I doubt." Again your inability to read is not my problem.
Whilst I don`t really care about your childish insults and certainly am not crying about them, I am using them to point out your inability to make an argument. BTW, "Brit" is disparaging.
Perhaps you could demonstrate my hypocrisy? Or are you using words heard in the playground?
Nakedhominid 2 years ago
@TheEndingx
And its "Your nationality" not "You`re nationality" Mr spellcheck.
Nakedhominid 2 years ago
Does it really matter? British Higher Education has a much lower standard than that of US higher education.
May I remind you of the Revolutionary War?
The decline of Britain?
How your country revolves a puppet monarchy?
Come on get real.
If you're offended by Brit, then you need a reality check. Atheists are so sensitive. Well maybe just you, after years of bullying, you take your so called intelligence on the internet.
TheEndingx 2 years ago
@TheEndingx
You may remind me of what you will, sadly for you, being British means I don`t really give a shit. See other countries don`t take a retarded pride in the fact that they happened to be born on a specific piece of land.
I didn`t say I was offended by "Brit" I said it was disparaging. Once more, your inability to read is not my problem.
Nakedhominid 2 years ago
@Nakedhominid
Goodness you are really sensitive. Take some pride in your country!
"being British means I don't really give a shit."
You are representing your country and your faith. You have FAITH that there is no God. You also have FAITH that being British to you has no meaning.
It is truly depressing to watch you deteriorate and show your true colors. Countries have pride, nationality if you will. It's being proud of your country, where you were born..
There are those special ones.
TheEndingx 2 years ago
@TheEndingx
I am sensitive because I don`t take pride in the fact that I happened to be born on a certain bit of land? Your logic is "special"
I don`t have FAITH that there is no God. For the same reason you dont have FAITH that there is no Tooth Fairy.
Why would I need FAITH(tm) that Jingoistic stupidity has no meaning to me?
Nakedhominid 2 years ago
@TheEndingx...im just saying but:atheist have a generaly higher IQ than religious ppl in general...sorry....
DIVAD291 1 year ago
@TheEndingx
I really enjoy how you admonish me to study theology and learn about Jesus, when it is plain that you know next to nothing about the subject.
Nakedhominid 2 years ago
Sorry for asking you to study theology, I really meant go back to the 3rd grade and learn to type.
Keyboarding lessons anyone?
First of all, your argument was that there were no historical facts supporting that there was a Jesus.
I proved you wrong. In fact, the overwhelming majority of scholars know that there was in fact a Jesus of Nazareth living around that time period. Whether he was Christ or not is up to you.
Since I've been giving you arguments, give me yours? Proof against it.
TheEndingx 2 years ago
Dear @TheEndingx,
what do you think you are? An atheist killer?
"ok, one more, who is the next?"
Man, you don´t even know how to define God, how do you want anyone to believe in this???
And so what if he is 13? He can´t express his opinions? It´s not a competition, you should show what you think and your arguments, not how many ways of humiliation you know...this is a reaction of a 11 year-old-boy.
1991Gisela 2 years ago
And you know that atheist is the one that don´t believe in God, not in Jesus or Santa, right?
Many people don´t believe in Jesus, but do so in God ( you heard about jews, right?). And many others don´t believe in Santa, witches and unicorns. That does´not make them atheists either.
Please answer with decent arguments, not a 'you must be a 5-year-old-spanish-girl'.
1991Gisela 2 years ago
Was I speaking of all atheists when I responded?
No.
Was I talking to an atheist that did not believe there was a historical Jesus?
Yes.
Yes so what if he is 13? Well people learn from experiences.
Yes Jews actually do BELIEVE there was a Jesus, not that he was a messiah.
I just want to give you a quick fact that in your country, 97% of Brazilians believe in a God, 2% aren't sure, and 1% do NOT.
I think you fall in a very minute minority. Sorry =)
BTW St. Nicholas WAS real by the way.
TheEndingx 2 years ago
You are geting yourself confused with all these:
Jews do not BELIEVE in Jesus Christ, because to believe implys a miracle or something unbelievable. But for jews he was only another human being.
I do know that most people in my country BELIEVE in God, so what?
Most people in my country also tolerate corruption, don't know how to write, don't read books, don't speak another language etc etc
I am very diferent of most of people! Thanks (your) God!
1991Gisela 2 years ago
Another thing: when you put St. in front of his name, he is already not real(or christ). Maybe Mr. Nicholas, but not St.
OK, people learn from experiences, let 13-year-old boys have their own, why not to argue with them?
BTW thanks for answering with arguments.
1991Gisela 2 years ago
An Agnostic thought is a humble one.
An Atheist thought is an arrogant one.
A Religious thought is a deadly one.
dowshipwigga 2 years ago
Jesus Christ was a REAL PERSON.
Factually and historically REAL.
No one can deny it.
Proof? Possibly. Reason to believe?
YES
TheEndingx 2 years ago
Jesus was a REAL PERSON.
just like i m a real person
the only diffrenece is that he is dead
he was a normal human
adirm18 2 years ago
His miracles suggest he was divine ..
Normal?
Maybe in your book, but not in mine.
TheEndingx 2 years ago
he didn't do any more miracles then hudini
adirm18 2 years ago
Actually, there is very little evidence to support that position.
Nakedhominid 2 years ago
Very little evidence?
There actually was a person named Jesus of Nazareth.
So historically you need to learn your facts.
Another thing ..
You are so ignorant, if I asked a smart and intelligent atheist if historically a man named Jesus walked around the Earth 2000 years ago the answer would be YES.
Lol little evidence ... You're so ignorant.
You are truly the epitome of atheists.
TheEndingx 2 years ago
Present any non-biblical and contemporary reference to the historical Jesus.
Nakedhominid 2 years ago
You want references?
Several Jewish writings also tell of His flesh-and-blood existence. Both Gemaras of the Jewish Talmud refer to Jesus. Although these consist of only a few brief, bitter passages intended to discount Jesus deity, these very early Jewish writings dont begin to hint that he was not a historical person.
One of antiquitys greatest historians, Cornelius Tacitus, affirmed that Jesus had suffered under Pilate. (He was a secular historian)
Anything else to say?
Dumb atheist.
TheEndingx 2 years ago
Yes.
1) You are aware that Tacitus was born 20 years after the supposed death of Jesus? Thus anything he wrote was second hand and thus NOT contempory?
2) Tacitus does not refer once to Jesus, only Christ. Christ is a title, not a name.
3) There is still dispute over the authenticity of the passage.
The Talmud is at least 100 years younger than Jesus.
Is that the best you have?
Nakedhominid 2 years ago
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Did you not ready any of my other responses?
Encyclopedia Britannica stated this:
All of these independent accounts, religious and secular, speak of a real man who matches up well with the Jesus in the Gospels. Encyclopedia Britannica cites these various secular accounts of Jesus life as convincing proof of his existence. It states:
These independent accounts prove that in ancient times even the opponents of Christianity never doubted the historicity of Jesus.
You are really ignorant.
TheEndingx 2 years ago
jesus was a real human who pretended to do miracles!!! that is all he was
adirm18 2 years ago
Want some more dumb atheist?
Encyclopedia Britannica stated this:
All of these independent accounts, religious and secular, speak of a real man who matches up well with the Jesus in the Gospels. Encyclopedia Britannica cites these various secular accounts of Jesus life as convincing proof of his existence. It states: These independent accounts prove that in ancient times even the opponents of Christianity never doubted the historicity of Jesus.
Don't even bother to respond.
Dumb Atheist.
TheEndingx 2 years ago
the little evidence he said was about the miracles not the existence
adirm18 2 years ago
if you don't believe in God and there is no God then you die and it's all over...if there is a God you go to hell since you didn't believe....if you believe in God and there is no God you die and it's all over...if there is a God you go to heaven since you did believe...might as well give it a shot..worst thing that could happen is the same thing that would've happened if there wasn't a God
kilgoja 2 years ago
@kilgoja thats exactly my logic. but thats not technically beleiving, thats saying you beleive in case their is one.
Jessikia527 2 years ago
@Jessikia527 well i wasn't saying that's why i do it...lol...really i think talking to people is a waste of time about things like this...they gotta make up their own mind...nothing i can say is gonna change it for them...
kilgoja 2 years ago