I am very familiar with the history of Choi Hong Hi, and Taekwondo Chang Heon. However, I have never seen the hyung performed from the Kara-te point of execution!
Dear friend : In the 70's we practiced this way, concerning the rythm, lack of sine wace etc ... To be honest, I changed some movements to match with the applications I conceived at this time. Anything really important ...
May I ask your martial arts lineage. That hyung was preformed much in the same way as a would be a Shotokan Kata. Also, may I ask...the photo in the window, looks as if it may be Funakoshi-sensei.
Dear batemanTKD : Your remark is very pertinent. By 1942, founder of TKD, Choi Hong Hi, was a 2nd grade student of Gishin Funakoshi, the founder of Shoto Kan. When became a general, he first taught what he called "real Shoto Kan", mixed with Tae Kyon techniques, notably in the 29th Infantry Division, before spreading to the entire korean army.
Tang Soo, Karate, but not Taekwon-Do. First thing you ned to look at is that the pattern begins and ends in the same spot. Mark the floor with tape and use it as a focus point.
@viewer1964 : Indeed, for TKD exams, returning to the beginning point was an important criterion. An anecdote : Sensei Tsukada said that originally Naifanchin kata (look like Po Eun in TKD) did not include the return pattern. Ancient masters found it too tiring to have follow their students, so they invented a return pattern to make them get back to the beginning point ... :) Happy Easter !
um yeh lots of power. but i think its better to do patterns slower because it allows you to break the technieqs down and show acurasy. and it improves your overall TKD training. it may be realistic but when you do use the moves in life they will be much better.
Speed is here the priority, closer to a real combat. You can opt for another priority, like tidiness, and work more slowly. You may sometimes change your option to enrich your practice. See also my Tang Lang video (faster) and my last Shito ryu videos (more power)
Dear BL1TZEN, I apologize for having unintentionally delete your message. We can work hyungs with different priorities : speed,power,calm in movement..changing periodically. Blocks must privilege speed. It's an emergency,even if not fully strong. K1, full contact karate block with just a very short movement, no intentional strength. Moreover, blocks must deflect the attack not oppose to it. Blocks may also be the moment of storing power to restitute in counter attack(see my rec Saifa,Kururunfa)
Old TKD, long time before ITF, look like Shotokan Karate (gen Choi Hong Hi was 2nd Dan Shotokan). My favorite style is Tang Lang Chuan and in the "TKD-Karate complex" I give preference to Shito Ryu.
This is an ITF form, but if you watch actual ITF practitioners do it...well...it looks like crap. OTF, which also practices the Chang Hon Hyung (sp?) looks a little more like this.
He is my first teacher, in 1967. I remember his mother ruling his Dojang, Hwa Rang Kwan ... A few years later, he became Asian Champion in combat. To celebrate that, I get plastered for the fist time !Master Dang Huy Duc is indisputably the greatest vietnameese TKD master of his generation.
Thanks for your interest. When I started TKD, in 1967, there was no ITF. My teachers was M.Dang Huy Duc (Hwa Rang Kwan) then the instructors group of the Korean Army's Headquarter in Viet Nam (Sgts Cho, Chang, Cpt Kim, Lt Lee ... teaching at Taberd school). The style has changed a lot ! May the old way become interesting again (the cycle ...) ? Learning Karate could be useful for comprehension of TKD patterns, just like Chineese martial arts help to understand Karate. Excellent week end !
wow, I had no idea this is how the early Taekwon-do used to used to look like, amazing. I'm pretty sure ITF will never look like this again, it's shaping its own way and has a completely different feel now, every detail is being discussed nowadays and TKD ITF will probably be now changing less rapidly but surely into something original and as different from other styles as possible.
"As different as possible" should not be a goal, but I understand what you mean : a really original approach to major problems of martial arts : power, speed, distance ... Helpful for general advance.
He looks like Charlie Sheen.
joshpasley123 9 months ago
I am very familiar with the history of Choi Hong Hi, and Taekwondo Chang Heon. However, I have never seen the hyung performed from the Kara-te point of execution!
Very nice depiction of a Korean-Kata!
batemanTKD 1 year ago
Dear friend : In the 70's we practiced this way, concerning the rythm, lack of sine wace etc ... To be honest, I changed some movements to match with the applications I conceived at this time. Anything really important ...
nghoaivan2 1 year ago
Dear Sir,
May I ask your martial arts lineage. That hyung was preformed much in the same way as a would be a Shotokan Kata. Also, may I ask...the photo in the window, looks as if it may be Funakoshi-sensei.
Humble Regards
batemanTKD 1 year ago
Dear batemanTKD : Your remark is very pertinent. By 1942, founder of TKD, Choi Hong Hi, was a 2nd grade student of Gishin Funakoshi, the founder of Shoto Kan. When became a general, he first taught what he called "real Shoto Kan", mixed with Tae Kyon techniques, notably in the 29th Infantry Division, before spreading to the entire korean army.
nghoaivan2 1 year ago
Tang Soo, Karate, but not Taekwon-Do. First thing you ned to look at is that the pattern begins and ends in the same spot. Mark the floor with tape and use it as a focus point.
viewer1964 1 year ago
@viewer1964 : Indeed, for TKD exams, returning to the beginning point was an important criterion. An anecdote : Sensei Tsukada said that originally Naifanchin kata (look like Po Eun in TKD) did not include the return pattern. Ancient masters found it too tiring to have follow their students, so they invented a return pattern to make them get back to the beginning point ... :) Happy Easter !
nghoaivan2 1 year ago
um yeh lots of power. but i think its better to do patterns slower because it allows you to break the technieqs down and show acurasy. and it improves your overall TKD training. it may be realistic but when you do use the moves in life they will be much better.
ddandbd 3 years ago
Excellent reflection !
nghoaivan2 3 years ago
Sooks like Tangsoodo. Which is probably very close.
zwathiroth 3 years ago
hey?why this Ge-Baek pattern movement so fast?less ready movement....can tell me why?very blurr...i also taekwon-do member...
chinquan 3 years ago
Speed is here the priority, closer to a real combat. You can opt for another priority, like tidiness, and work more slowly. You may sometimes change your option to enrich your practice. See also my Tang Lang video (faster) and my last Shito ryu videos (more power)
nghoaivan2 3 years ago
Dear BL1TZEN, I apologize for having unintentionally delete your message. We can work hyungs with different priorities : speed,power,calm in movement..changing periodically. Blocks must privilege speed. It's an emergency,even if not fully strong. K1, full contact karate block with just a very short movement, no intentional strength. Moreover, blocks must deflect the attack not oppose to it. Blocks may also be the moment of storing power to restitute in counter attack(see my rec Saifa,Kururunfa)
nghoaivan2 3 years ago
Is this ITF Taekwon-Do? Looks very strange and awkward.
panny66 4 years ago
Old TKD, long time before ITF, look like Shotokan Karate (gen Choi Hong Hi was 2nd Dan Shotokan). My favorite style is Tang Lang Chuan and in the "TKD-Karate complex" I give preference to Shito Ryu.
nghoaivan2 4 years ago
This is an ITF form, but if you watch actual ITF practitioners do it...well...it looks like crap. OTF, which also practices the Chang Hon Hyung (sp?) looks a little more like this.
zfighter030490 3 years ago
so faster aaa
cyyzz 4 years ago
kata from taekwondo look not so good like karate´s kata
crazydragon81 4 years ago
hes my teacher
dang huy duc
NightHawk15346K 4 years ago
Hello, fellow student. Don't show him all that, he will find them very bad !
nghoaivan2 4 years ago
wow this is much different from the ge-baek i know :S
cosmichorn 4 years ago
lol ngo posted in this. hes my current teacher now too.
jtb1 4 years ago
OMG DANG HUY DUC'S MY TEACHER RIGHT NOW
wngo70 5 years ago
He is my first teacher, in 1967. I remember his mother ruling his Dojang, Hwa Rang Kwan ... A few years later, he became Asian Champion in combat. To celebrate that, I get plastered for the fist time !Master Dang Huy Duc is indisputably the greatest vietnameese TKD master of his generation.
nghoaivan2 5 years ago
Karate guy doing TKD ITF form, hmm :P interesting
turusan02 5 years ago
Thanks for your interest. When I started TKD, in 1967, there was no ITF. My teachers was M.Dang Huy Duc (Hwa Rang Kwan) then the instructors group of the Korean Army's Headquarter in Viet Nam (Sgts Cho, Chang, Cpt Kim, Lt Lee ... teaching at Taberd school). The style has changed a lot ! May the old way become interesting again (the cycle ...) ? Learning Karate could be useful for comprehension of TKD patterns, just like Chineese martial arts help to understand Karate. Excellent week end !
nghoaivan2 5 years ago
wow, I had no idea this is how the early Taekwon-do used to used to look like, amazing. I'm pretty sure ITF will never look like this again, it's shaping its own way and has a completely different feel now, every detail is being discussed nowadays and TKD ITF will probably be now changing less rapidly but surely into something original and as different from other styles as possible.
turusan02 5 years ago
"As different as possible" should not be a goal, but I understand what you mean : a really original approach to major problems of martial arts : power, speed, distance ... Helpful for general advance.
nghoaivan2 5 years ago