@Shadowmaster888 its a give and take... targeting medevacs with stimed marines can be the death of you.. not to mention its better to take out units that attack rather than the ones supporting if your on the defencive side... not to mention this players obviously good and would have flown the medivacs off after they got attacked... thus causing unessesary damage and waisting your forces...
if the terran player didn't have such micro skills, the strategy might have not worked after all.. this build might seem simple and easy, but you need decent skills to pull this off
hey, thanks for you awesome videos. I was wondering if you could make videos on what NOT to do, say if you're terran vs zerg, don't make two barracks at the very begining without making a few marines and setting up more supply depots... something like that, pointing errors like: "see, he built wayy too many supply depots, he doesnt even have enough units to need that many, plus, he wasted the money so now he doesnt have any attacking units"
Bratok is really good. I have watched 2 of his games with White-Ra 1-1. His micro is really great, I think on most games against normal players he can even do a bad strategy and win because of his great micro.
I've learned a lot from these videos, even if I'm not using these precise strategies.
Decided I would play Protoss for the first time today; got put up against another Protoss player and won using bits and pieces of knowledge I picked up from watching these videos regularly.
I've been utilizing the strategies coming out of Force for a while now and they've been a huge help. I'm not one to spends hours on end to make up my own strategy and written strategies are a bit hard hard to follow at a certain point. These video's have been a big help on my W/L ratio and make the game a load of fun to play (Atleast more-so than when you're losing). Ty Force and Team.
@redunkalous i think it is because they aren't using it to produce units. They make it so that they can build their starport for medivacs asap. Since it isn't being used for production they may as well scout with it.
The reason people scout with their factory is that in this build, you will never be needing any Factory units. It is also much cheaper than scanning, which costs you 270 minerals in opportunity cost from the lost MULE. The factory is also high hp so it is possible to get a lot of scouting information with it.
You don't expect someone who is watching this video to learn something from it (not very good players) to be able to pull off what some of the best SC2 players in the world do with their crazy micro skills and ~250 APM, do you? Don't get me wrong, it is a good example of a nice highskill game but not a good tutorial/strategy guide.
@svyatUA not very good players? Brat_Ok is arguably the best terran in europe and definitely one of the best terrans in the world.
I do agree that the actual tutorial isnt the best. You can be a pretty good gold player by watching these tutorials maybe low platinum but by no means will you become diamond from watching this. At the end of the day it all comes down to practice and playing against players who are better than you is where you're going to improve your skills
@ForceSC2strategy Hehe, yeah you're totally right. It's just my opinion that high level play can't be taken as a tutorial or a step-by-step guide. I personally think that it's even better to just play yourself against CPU while demonstrating some strategy. Nevertheless it's not like I'm bashing your work. Your guides are awesome, keep up the good work ;)
@ForceSC2strategy I am one of the most pleased person with this videos. Thanks to you I am able to actually win some matches. Im Zerg Player, and your Zerg Reactionary tutorial have been awesome. Keep up the Good Work. Thanks for everything!
I'm a terrible SC2 player (In fact i didn't even play SC1 so what do you expect). But watching these video's has taught me a lot, and I AM able to implement the strategies Force posts up, so I really don't know what you're talking about.
I lost my first 5 placement matches and went straight to Bronze league, in fact my win:loss ratio was about 1 win : 10 losses when I first started playing. Since watching Force's video's I've won about 15 times for only a few loses. =)
@svyatUA lol the main point is you will learn something from it. yea its a pro technique but i rather watch this over and over again and learn little things from it rather than watching replays from another noob like me.. you are the type that goes to forums and youtube and copy everything you see..just learn from it dont copy it lolz
Pretty slick, I'm going to try this out. I understand now why the barracks at choke instead of walling off. What are the pros doing regarding that with TVT and TVZ? Nice strat vid as always!
@foobarmaru imo you should almost always wall off tvz.. if they rush with 6 zerglings and you're not walled off then it's pretty much gg.. personally i wall off against toss as well.. but i'm nowhere near as good as bratok.. just look at how he throws scv's into the choke to block off zealots while he ranges with his 2 marines.. i would have been done for
I just fought a 4gate toss as terran, I just got 3 barracks, 2 techs 1 reactor, and a factory with seige tanks. They rushed with a much larger force with 4gate but the seige tanks murdered them early. Then I just pushed with my MM ball with tanks in the back and won.
@Nathrazel That sounds like a solid terran win, but remember that all Protoss will not play the same way. A few immortals and a few collossis and the game will change considerably. Yet, that is only one possible outcome.
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HoverBoatwright425 2 months ago
When did you get Stimpack?
dsemiraro 8 months ago
@dsemiraro @4:37.. at 32 supply
KueberDragon 7 months ago
why not wall?
gochujong 8 months ago
so the protos player simply couldn't target the medivacs?
Shadowmaster888 9 months ago
@Shadowmaster888 its a give and take... targeting medevacs with stimed marines can be the death of you.. not to mention its better to take out units that attack rather than the ones supporting if your on the defencive side... not to mention this players obviously good and would have flown the medivacs off after they got attacked... thus causing unessesary damage and waisting your forces...
xXGodsEnemyXx 8 months ago
@xXGodsEnemyXx
what about ghost's lock down ability.One shot and your mechanical unit is useless.Do they still have that in starcraft 2?
Shadowmaster888 8 months ago
Bronze league=
Terran=mm/m
Zerg=6 pool
Protoss= acctually does more than 4gate, depending on how the game goes.
And that is bronze league, rofl.
ObLiViOnZThEkIllEr 9 months ago
@ObLiViOnZThEkIllEr
I use MMM timing pushes in Diamond league.
LolCaramelz 7 months ago
@LolCaramelz I know, works every league. Even good masters players can pull it off .
ObLiViOnZThEkIllEr 7 months ago
you cant run 4 gate on one base... it only works for like 3-4 production cycles
erbemitderkerbe 11 months ago
@erbemitderkerbe yes u can. usually u have spare resources too for upgrades or expansions
pirateking83 10 months ago
Wtf tutorial? you dont say 1 word about the build order ?
Frederikthor1989 1 year ago
@Frederikthor1989 You could look in the description...
Fatkiller22 1 year ago
@Frederikthor1989 did you not watch the whole video?
togato 11 months ago
the title of this video is mmm build yet u talk nonstop about everything eles
stussyboys 1 year ago
if the terran player didn't have such micro skills, the strategy might have not worked after all.. this build might seem simple and easy, but you need decent skills to pull this off
paulinac92 1 year ago
Wow you rock i love this strategy :d.
Zarnot 1 year ago
How is this "Fast Medivac" when the Starport only comes @ 40 supply?
djdoru666 1 year ago
God could not have micro'd that better. GG
Gummybearred 1 year ago
That was awesome, sometimes after a P rush likethat its easy to give up, and neglect how much of a risk P was taking.
SulfurCitizen 1 year ago
hey, thanks for you awesome videos. I was wondering if you could make videos on what NOT to do, say if you're terran vs zerg, don't make two barracks at the very begining without making a few marines and setting up more supply depots... something like that, pointing errors like: "see, he built wayy too many supply depots, he doesnt even have enough units to need that many, plus, he wasted the money so now he doesnt have any attacking units"
thanks
HeadShot360IN 1 year ago
the strategy is very good but the micro JESUS! D:!
arlaco 1 year ago
Man why does every replay you post have sakey getting pwned :P?
scottybot2003 1 year ago
working StarCraft II, available "lnkgt. com/4Ep"
Osbert6313 1 year ago
mad micro O_o
TarnishedMedia66 1 year ago
@Michaelangelooo You have to record the replay. Try gamecam
FishThatDrown 1 year ago
IIRC Socke said the e at the end is silent.
mrsoultwister 1 year ago
Bratok is really good. I have watched 2 of his games with White-Ra 1-1. His micro is really great, I think on most games against normal players he can even do a bad strategy and win because of his great micro.
andre83310 1 year ago
@Force, ignore those whiner...u did just fine, I find this info video beneficial, will DL the replay closely monitoring their BO too.
sektube 1 year ago
What program do you use to record the replays?
NetCodeBlue 1 year ago
awesome effort force. Excellent videos.
Virtuouskilling 1 year ago
I've learned a lot from these videos, even if I'm not using these precise strategies.
Decided I would play Protoss for the first time today; got put up against another Protoss player and won using bits and pieces of knowledge I picked up from watching these videos regularly.
Eleo235 1 year ago
can anybody show me how i can upload my replays ?
chinh101 1 year ago
Great video, Force. Thanks!
jgolbez 1 year ago
@svyatUA stfu anyone who has the slightness amount of skill can harras effectively with protoss
ThePCGameHunter 1 year ago
I've been utilizing the strategies coming out of Force for a while now and they've been a huge help. I'm not one to spends hours on end to make up my own strategy and written strategies are a bit hard hard to follow at a certain point. These video's have been a big help on my W/L ratio and make the game a load of fun to play (Atleast more-so than when you're losing). Ty Force and Team.
yatayatayata 1 year ago
why do people scout with their factory?
redunkalous 1 year ago
@redunkalous i think it is because they aren't using it to produce units. They make it so that they can build their starport for medivacs asap. Since it isn't being used for production they may as well scout with it.
1decline 1 year ago
@redunkalous probably because they dont need the factory anymore. they only needed it to build the stargate
CuethesunA 1 year ago
@redunkalous
The reason people scout with their factory is that in this build, you will never be needing any Factory units. It is also much cheaper than scanning, which costs you 270 minerals in opportunity cost from the lost MULE. The factory is also high hp so it is possible to get a lot of scouting information with it.
LolCaramelz 7 months ago
i've learned real fast even in bronze, walling vs terran and protoss will screw you if they have proxy gateways
or they reaper rush it's a pretty humbling way to learn
wesker723 1 year ago
God damn no wander I've seen this build been trown at me a few times this week!! Lucky mass zerglings and them being been helped haha
Filo011 1 year ago
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You don't expect someone who is watching this video to learn something from it (not very good players) to be able to pull off what some of the best SC2 players in the world do with their crazy micro skills and ~250 APM, do you? Don't get me wrong, it is a good example of a nice highskill game but not a good tutorial/strategy guide.
svyatUA 1 year ago
@svyatUA not very good players? Brat_Ok is arguably the best terran in europe and definitely one of the best terrans in the world.
I do agree that the actual tutorial isnt the best. You can be a pretty good gold player by watching these tutorials maybe low platinum but by no means will you become diamond from watching this. At the end of the day it all comes down to practice and playing against players who are better than you is where you're going to improve your skills
SynisterDrake 1 year ago
@SynisterDrake You know Force was rank 1 diamond in his league right?
Flowerdong 1 year ago
@SynisterDrake He's saying the strat is too difficult for not very good players, not otherwise.
unfeared11 1 year ago
@SynisterDrake No, I mean not very good players watch this and try to learn from it ;)
svyatUA 1 year ago
@svyatUA
It seems that the old saying holds true: You can't please everybody!
We post strategy guides of games from players of average skill - people complain that they are noobs and the strategy sucks.
We post strategy guides from professional players - people complain and say no normal player can implement the strategy.
Regardless however, we are going to keep on doing what we're doing. =)
Love it or hate it.
Cheers!
ForceSC2strategy 1 year ago 117
@ForceSC2strategy Hehe, yeah you're totally right. It's just my opinion that high level play can't be taken as a tutorial or a step-by-step guide. I personally think that it's even better to just play yourself against CPU while demonstrating some strategy. Nevertheless it's not like I'm bashing your work. Your guides are awesome, keep up the good work ;)
svyatUA 1 year ago
@ForceSC2strategy I am one of the most pleased person with this videos. Thanks to you I am able to actually win some matches. Im Zerg Player, and your Zerg Reactionary tutorial have been awesome. Keep up the Good Work. Thanks for everything!
Pkmnrulz899 1 year ago
@ForceSC2strategy here here
beautwahine 1 year ago
@ForceSC2strategy what i like from these videos is that i can infact improve myself in sc2 and getting information how to this and that strategy :D
P.S cheers guys love the work
heavyballs187 1 year ago
@ForceSC2strategy Could you guys upload a newer version of this tactic???
cause considering the recent nerfs against Terran.
This build feels outdated.
Pls do it. I got demoted to gold from plat cause I got so rusty at the MMM and MTM build due to the lack of play time and nerfs.
Ezi0AuditoreDiFirenz 2 weeks ago
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Heroreh 1 year ago
@svyatUA
I'm a terrible SC2 player (In fact i didn't even play SC1 so what do you expect). But watching these video's has taught me a lot, and I AM able to implement the strategies Force posts up, so I really don't know what you're talking about.
I lost my first 5 placement matches and went straight to Bronze league, in fact my win:loss ratio was about 1 win : 10 losses when I first started playing. Since watching Force's video's I've won about 15 times for only a few loses. =)
frysy712 1 year ago
@svyatUA lol the main point is you will learn something from it. yea its a pro technique but i rather watch this over and over again and learn little things from it rather than watching replays from another noob like me.. you are the type that goes to forums and youtube and copy everything you see..just learn from it dont copy it lolz
petalerrorrr 1 year ago
@svyatUA any1 can do it... just some faster then others
giantsnake2 1 year ago
Why did you post that... Now even more people will use this, make videos on how to counter it with any races please.
StixProd 1 year ago
@StixProd agree! 99% of terrans play like this. now 100% will do it
elvin2130 1 year ago
Many one finger a+ click noobs will born, for that i hate you.
But cool vids, keep doing this great work
AnselmoLB 1 year ago
im not good enough to do exactly what is in this vid but i can still learn from it, thx dude
lgscsc 1 year ago
nvm i heard the answer
deeterfly 1 year ago
Pretty slick, I'm going to try this out. I understand now why the barracks at choke instead of walling off. What are the pros doing regarding that with TVT and TVZ? Nice strat vid as always!
foobarmaru 1 year ago
@foobarmaru imo you should almost always wall off tvz.. if they rush with 6 zerglings and you're not walled off then it's pretty much gg.. personally i wall off against toss as well.. but i'm nowhere near as good as bratok.. just look at how he throws scv's into the choke to block off zealots while he ranges with his 2 marines.. i would have been done for
R34LiSM 1 year ago
So why dont pro players wall off??
deeterfly 1 year ago
@deeterfly Because its not really nice to rush in Diamond league.
LeNger101 1 year ago
That is definately some very sexy micro by BratOK. Thanks for another great video ForceSCStrat :)
affectus 1 year ago
cool thanks man
warstomper 1 year ago
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Auxillia 1 year ago
BratOK had some sexy ass micro.
ZhaoyunStarcraft 1 year ago 26
loves MMM. i've gotten from bronze rank to platinum league with just pure MMM strategy against all races!
xGore220 1 year ago
how often are you creating scvs?
mikedonahue19902008 1 year ago
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@mikedonahue19902008 keep making until your fingers hurt
rudyk1008 1 year ago
is MMM cheese?
nicolas1999444 1 year ago
@nicolas1999444
MMM is not cheese.
snowstorm9091moua 1 year ago
@nicolas1999444 Nope
warhawk241241241 1 year ago
I just fought a 4gate toss as terran, I just got 3 barracks, 2 techs 1 reactor, and a factory with seige tanks. They rushed with a much larger force with 4gate but the seige tanks murdered them early. Then I just pushed with my MM ball with tanks in the back and won.
Nathrazel 1 year ago
@Nathrazel in that case the toss player sucked dick cuz a 4 gate push comes before factory tech let alone a tech lab and siege tech and tanks
Joesterisk 1 year ago
@Nathrazel That sounds like a solid terran win, but remember that all Protoss will not play the same way. A few immortals and a few collossis and the game will change considerably. Yet, that is only one possible outcome.
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PivotPort 1 year ago
Firts spelled incorrectly.
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first with a MIX OF LOWER AND capital letters
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