@KJVsteve Hiya, I find your comment really interesting especially as I am a Christian myself. My dad is a Baptist Minister and the first person I told about my idea to raise money he has been supportive and encouraging throughout. I was baptised last March and I am now a member of my local church.
@KJVsteve I hope this puts my life into context for you.
The first argument I have for you is a biblical one. In Corinthians 11 vs 6-9 it says (this is taken from the Youth Bible) 'If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off. But since it is shameful for a woman to cut off her hair or to shave her head, she should cover her head.
@KJVsteveBut a man should not cover his head, because he is the likeness and glory of God. But woman is man's glory. Man did not come from woman, but woman came from man. And man was not made for woman, but woman was made for man.'The first issue I would like to raise is that by this logic I indeed should shave my head as I do not cover it by wearing a hijab or a similar garment.
@KJVsteve However the passage indicates that this is a shameful thing to do which causes me to question it further, who finds it shameful?God or the society? I think that it is far more likely for the society to find it shameful although this is my own conclusion, which despite being drawn from experiences of society and a knowledge of the way society works as result of a sociology GCSE is still not a certain conclusion that I can be sure of.
@KJVsteve The second issue I would like to raise is that this passage also clearly states that woman are below men, and that for me is enough to disregard the rest. If you feel that this passage is correct and suggests that I shouldn't shave my head for whatever reason then logic implies that you also agree that women have been made for men, a statement I totally disagree with.
@KJVsteve This comes down to the classic debate on how much of the bible is the word of God. Jesus said everyone was equal, causing me to doubt that this passage is correct in suggesting that women are below men which in turn causes me to doubt the entire passage's validity including the small section which instructs women not to shave their heads.
@KJVsteve The second argument I would like to raise with you is one of logic, common sense, and one which comes from having a personal relationship with God and Jesus Christ. I believe that we can all have our place in certain elements of life in the same way that we all have our place in the church (1 Corinthians 12) with this in mind I'm not particularly fit, I can't run a marathon.
@KJVsteve Yet this I can do, and if it's the best way to raise money and ultimately help others I don't really think God would care that it's not a particularly beautiful thing to do or as you put it 'dignified'. In the end God didn't call us to be dignified, he didn't call us to go out and put a few pennies into a tin. He called us to help others and be neighbours, and I'm going to do that whatever the cost.
@KJVsteve Thank you for your time, I'm looking forward to your reply :) oh and by the way I think you might need to read them backwards to get the right order, start at the bottom under your comment and work your way up!
@sparkarina [2] Brother John Gill, famous Baptist Pastor of the Metropolitan Tabernacle in London in the 1700's deals quite sufficiently with the part of 1 Cor 6 in question;
"let her also be shorn; let her hair be cut short; let her wear it as men do theirs; and let her see how she will look, and how she will like that, and how she will be looked upon, and liked by others; everybody will laugh at her, and she will be ashamed of herself: "
@sparkarina [3] You speak of logic, and common sense, but does not nature itself tell us that there should be clear distinctions between man and woman - hair length is but one of those distinctions.
Men should be as men, and women as women. It is a worry when you look at an individual, and you can't immediately tell the gender of that person.
There is a certain glory that is achieved by a woman being as a woman, and doing the things of a woman.
@sparkarina [5] Who finds it shameful? To a degree, I would say both, although now, society is in moral decline, and a woman walking down the street with short or no hair is nothing new. Once upon a time, this was not the case.
Public opinion changes like the weather.
The Lord your God on the other hand never changes, and that which he made perfect in the begining, is still perfect today, and always. His standards never change, nor can His standards be changed when we fail to meet them.
@sparkarina [6] Is it not morally wrong to change that which God has made? It says her hair is given for a covering, is it right, then, to remove that which God has given?
It is never wise to doubt the validity of scripture, and let us never cherry-pick our way through, selecting only that which 'sounds right' to the human ear.
We have 66 books that make up our bible, and each verse has come from God, either in the form of spoken word by Jesus Christ or inspired writings.
@sparkarina [7] I have little hope, or expectation, that I can convince you to change your mind, but the Christian always has a duty to preach [Isa 58.1, 2 Tim 4.2], thus my time is your time for as long as I have His words to preach.
In the words of Charles Spurgeon; "Oh, look to Him; to Him alone; to Him simply; to Him at once!"
hi sarah, i'm milly's cousin jasmine and as milly has probably told you, i had leukaemia. I think you're amazing for doing this, as i lost all my hair having chemo and that, i could never go through loosing all my hair again. I think i speak for all the teenagers that have had or have cancer that this is an amazing thing to do and for an amazing cause!
Sarah, you are doing a wonderful thing for a terrific cause. As someone who is beyond his teenage years and is battling cancer himself, I applaud you.
Heyyyyy. I'm about ur age and gonna shave my head too... for my mom! hope this makes you feel better!!!
MyVinylLove 1 year ago
Why do you hate God so much?
Have you never read 1 Corinthians 11? In particular verses 10 and 15, to wit;
10) For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
15) But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for here hair is given her for a covering.
It is a rebelious act against God to do what you plan to do.
Perhaps you can find a more dignified way to raise money???
KJVsteve 1 year ago
@KJVsteve Hiya, I find your comment really interesting especially as I am a Christian myself. My dad is a Baptist Minister and the first person I told about my idea to raise money he has been supportive and encouraging throughout. I was baptised last March and I am now a member of my local church.
sparkarina 1 year ago
@KJVsteve I hope this puts my life into context for you.
The first argument I have for you is a biblical one. In Corinthians 11 vs 6-9 it says (this is taken from the Youth Bible) 'If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off. But since it is shameful for a woman to cut off her hair or to shave her head, she should cover her head.
sparkarina 1 year ago
@KJVsteveBut a man should not cover his head, because he is the likeness and glory of God. But woman is man's glory. Man did not come from woman, but woman came from man. And man was not made for woman, but woman was made for man.'The first issue I would like to raise is that by this logic I indeed should shave my head as I do not cover it by wearing a hijab or a similar garment.
sparkarina 1 year ago
@KJVsteve However the passage indicates that this is a shameful thing to do which causes me to question it further, who finds it shameful?God or the society? I think that it is far more likely for the society to find it shameful although this is my own conclusion, which despite being drawn from experiences of society and a knowledge of the way society works as result of a sociology GCSE is still not a certain conclusion that I can be sure of.
sparkarina 1 year ago
@KJVsteve The second issue I would like to raise is that this passage also clearly states that woman are below men, and that for me is enough to disregard the rest. If you feel that this passage is correct and suggests that I shouldn't shave my head for whatever reason then logic implies that you also agree that women have been made for men, a statement I totally disagree with.
sparkarina 1 year ago
@KJVsteve This comes down to the classic debate on how much of the bible is the word of God. Jesus said everyone was equal, causing me to doubt that this passage is correct in suggesting that women are below men which in turn causes me to doubt the entire passage's validity including the small section which instructs women not to shave their heads.
sparkarina 1 year ago
@KJVsteve The second argument I would like to raise with you is one of logic, common sense, and one which comes from having a personal relationship with God and Jesus Christ. I believe that we can all have our place in certain elements of life in the same way that we all have our place in the church (1 Corinthians 12) with this in mind I'm not particularly fit, I can't run a marathon.
sparkarina 1 year ago
@KJVsteve Yet this I can do, and if it's the best way to raise money and ultimately help others I don't really think God would care that it's not a particularly beautiful thing to do or as you put it 'dignified'. In the end God didn't call us to be dignified, he didn't call us to go out and put a few pennies into a tin. He called us to help others and be neighbours, and I'm going to do that whatever the cost.
sparkarina 1 year ago
@KJVsteve Thank you for your time, I'm looking forward to your reply :) oh and by the way I think you might need to read them backwards to get the right order, start at the bottom under your comment and work your way up!
sparkarina 1 year ago
@sparkarina [1] Hi! Thanks for your 'sensible' reply; In my experience, many professing Christians just get angry when confronted with scripture.
I did actually write to the pastor of Abingdon Baptist Church about this, but never got a reply.
This is serious business, the very fact it is spoken about in scripture shows it is serious.
Anyway, let's look at some points.
KJVsteve 1 year ago
@sparkarina [2] Brother John Gill, famous Baptist Pastor of the Metropolitan Tabernacle in London in the 1700's deals quite sufficiently with the part of 1 Cor 6 in question;
"let her also be shorn; let her hair be cut short; let her wear it as men do theirs; and let her see how she will look, and how she will like that, and how she will be looked upon, and liked by others; everybody will laugh at her, and she will be ashamed of herself: "
KJVsteve 1 year ago
@sparkarina [3] You speak of logic, and common sense, but does not nature itself tell us that there should be clear distinctions between man and woman - hair length is but one of those distinctions.
Men should be as men, and women as women. It is a worry when you look at an individual, and you can't immediately tell the gender of that person.
There is a certain glory that is achieved by a woman being as a woman, and doing the things of a woman.
KJVsteve 1 year ago
@sparkarina [4] It is not that a woman is 'below' a man, but view it as each has a role to fulfill.
All have sinned, and come short of the glory of God [Romans 3.23], ergo; man can not be any intrinsically better than a woman.
As per Genesis 2, Adam was first created, then of Adam came Eve, as a 'help meet'.
The relationship between a husband and wife is symbolic of the relationship between Jesus Christ, and his virgin bride, the Church.
KJVsteve 1 year ago
@sparkarina [5] Who finds it shameful? To a degree, I would say both, although now, society is in moral decline, and a woman walking down the street with short or no hair is nothing new. Once upon a time, this was not the case.
Public opinion changes like the weather.
The Lord your God on the other hand never changes, and that which he made perfect in the begining, is still perfect today, and always. His standards never change, nor can His standards be changed when we fail to meet them.
KJVsteve 1 year ago
@sparkarina [6] Is it not morally wrong to change that which God has made? It says her hair is given for a covering, is it right, then, to remove that which God has given?
It is never wise to doubt the validity of scripture, and let us never cherry-pick our way through, selecting only that which 'sounds right' to the human ear.
We have 66 books that make up our bible, and each verse has come from God, either in the form of spoken word by Jesus Christ or inspired writings.
KJVsteve 1 year ago
@sparkarina [7] I have little hope, or expectation, that I can convince you to change your mind, but the Christian always has a duty to preach [Isa 58.1, 2 Tim 4.2], thus my time is your time for as long as I have His words to preach.
In the words of Charles Spurgeon; "Oh, look to Him; to Him alone; to Him simply; to Him at once!"
In Christian love;
Steve
KJVsteve 1 year ago
hi sarah, i'm milly's cousin jasmine and as milly has probably told you, i had leukaemia. I think you're amazing for doing this, as i lost all my hair having chemo and that, i could never go through loosing all my hair again. I think i speak for all the teenagers that have had or have cancer that this is an amazing thing to do and for an amazing cause!
Good luck and well done you! :) xx
jasminnaa22 2 years ago
Sarah, you are doing a wonderful thing for a terrific cause. As someone who is beyond his teenage years and is battling cancer himself, I applaud you.
GreenMonster89 2 years ago
Thanks!!!! :D
sparkarina 2 years ago
i cant believe your going to do this sarah! but go you!!!!
XxchipmunkxX 2 years ago