@cupcake The British committed a lot of atrocities in different parts of the world, killing millions of people in the process: the colonization of India, the "Oppium War" in China, the suppresion of the Mau-Mau in Kenya, etc. But, I am sure, in your eyes, they are very nice people. This is how western propaganda has poisoned every single cell of your brain.
@wingwaabullshit You can believe whatever your propagandistic, distorted media feeds you; in other words, you got the right to be as imbecile and ignorant as the moron who calls himself "2idiot4uandher".
@2idiot4uandher FYI, only an imbecile believes that there is a heaven and hell. Besides, you should always keep in mind the following: Gods are those who liberate the people; hence, Mao-Zedong and Lenin are greater than the hollow, hypocrite and negative Jesus Christ.
Mao murdered 80 million people; Hitler murdered 12 million. How dare you bastards make Moa look like a hero! Moa is responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of innocent Buhdists, Christians, Muhammiduns, and Hindus. Moa Zedong is the biggest mass murderer in the history of the world! Burn in hell Mao!
@Lukege15 the most dreadful godless ideology ever made up by man that killed in excess of 100 million people in the 20th century alone i believe? i could be wrong
@happosai27 Um, that's not answering my question, that's has absolutely nothing to do with communism -plus- you pulled that figure outta your arse! But, if you want to go down that rocky road, let's break down how many people capitalism has killed:
- 45 million American Indians killed (95% of entire pop) killed by capitalist colonization.
- 12 million African slaves, and subsequent affect on the prosperity on Africa: tens of millions killed in civil wars and genocides.
@happosai27 - Capitalism in Europe (particularly UK and Ireland), was basically the legalized slavery of 90% of the population. Those killed by starvation: 10 million.
- Those killed fighting for their freedom in Latin America against the US imperialist and corporatist power: 500,000.
- 5 million killed in India during Britain's sustained occupation.
- Etc...
I might also point out that the USSR and China are or were by no means 'proper' communism, as in what what outlined by Marx.
@Lukege15 yeah you should totally move to north korea and help them spread world revolution so everyone can be as free as they are. whats wrong with propagandized gullible people running after collectivist terror regimes like its something good? you should be thankful that you don't live in a commieshithole. ask eastern europeans how "awesome" it was back then under commie tyranny
@happosai27 Yet again you fail to address ANY of the points I've made. I fear it's people like you which have been 'propagandized'.
As for eastern Europe, my grandparents and father lived through Soviet oppression. Do you know what my father is now? A socialist politician. Because, as I have already mentioned, the USSR was not communism, rather a veiled imperial power.
I also find it funny how your eyes must have glazed over at the thought of capitalism's victims. You're a sheep.
@Lukege15 lol oh god.. commies escaping commietyranny is still clinching to this collectivist ideology. the worlds is doomed. i expect ww3 and the most bloody turmoil for the 21st century
@happosai27 Why, oh why do you insist on making up shit? You must have not actually read a single thing I have said. I can excuse ignorance, but not those who CHOOSE to be ignorant - to live in a bubble.
When did I say I agree with mass-murder? I detest Mao, Stalin and the leftists that support them - similar ideology does not excuse murder (capitalism, though, has been the death of many more).
Those which support those perpetrators of genocide lose all my respect - Commie or no.
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I think neither Chiang Kai Shek nor Mao Zedong should be called coward. Both of them are great. I prefer Chiang Kai Shek because the press photos of his appear to be more valuable then those of Maos'. You may check on Ebay. The truth says it all!
'Im not a communist but I support and take great joy watching Chairman Mao kick this arsehole hard in the balls so many times throughout this documentary!'
@trance technosucks Are you going to teach me about History? A fucking idiot like you who swallows western propaganda through every anatomical orifice that Nature gave you? Go read books by fellow Americans like Edgar Snow, William Hinton, et al, and perhaps you might learn something. And when you read your fisrt book, do it with your eyes and an open mind, not your sphincter.
it's only because we are in the west that we can look at these documentaries so easily with just a little search, Youtube is forbidden in china. Not much coercive value to propaganda when acces to information is free and easy, including the auhtors you mention.
@TheRhinehart86 I guess you haven't read about the conference that took place in Xunyi, and how Mao's military tactics came to replace the disastrous tactics implemented by Li Teh (aka Otto Braun) which cost the CCP dearly.
Mao was a military genius, he managed to outmanoeuvre the japanese and nationalist forces with meager resources. What he couldnt do was to rule a country......
@newtonsecondlaw I am not criticizingly the use of the long march as propaganda. I am criticizing the complete disregard China showed and continues to show for the many many victims of the long march in portraying the long march as a victory. There are moments which the Chinese communist party SHOULD be proud of. The long march is not one of them, it was a moment where the party turned upon its supporters and forced them on a death march to preserve itself.
@newtonsecondlaw Well the point of a war is to kill the enemy. Don't get me wrong - no country is without ugly history. For example Churchill ordered the navy to fire on the French preemptively, America constantly kills civilians through neglectful use of drones etc. Point is no nation is without atrocities in their history but most don't wear their atrocities as badges of honour.
Not being critical of China or Attacking china here - just how they treat the long march.
@jeremyIfisher History really is only an account a story told based on what people know or saw and History is an approximation to explain situations that are to be remembered,celebrated,or that cannot be ignored or left unexplained. History is never complete,it is never accurate and it does not tell the whole story or even reflect the truth, my point is this history episode is good for chinese people to know their history no matter long march saved Mao Zedong and the communist party either.
@newtonsecondlaw Also remember - soldiers' lives were favoured over those of civilians. There is nothing "good" about the long march. In celebrating the long march you are not celebrating the achievement of the communist party you are celebrating an atrocity.
The Long March is perhaps the greatest human feat ever accomplished by any army throughout history. Chairman Mao is indeed the "Great Helmsman" of the Chinese people. Heroes like him and those who followed him to victory will live forever in the hearts of every Chinese who loves their country.
@theredsmurf13 I agree that the long march is one of the greatest accomplishments in history, however I think people should be careful not to give Mao too much credit, he was just one man among thousands
@theredsmurf13 What the fuck is this shit... Mao killed over 70 million of his own people and you call him a hero? You are a fucking maniac and you need to learn some history.
@theredsmurf13 ur a retard chinese people should be ashamed about Mao he has the record for most people killed in history! He should burn in hell with fucking hitler and those other assholes if u r proud of that hav fun burning with ur hero.
@theredsmurf13 Mao is single greatest mass murderer in history....sure the long march is amazing...but mao is an idiot...who barely walked a foot during the march
@chromelemon It WAS a major defeat. Communist propaganda painted it as a victory. Most of Mao's initial supporters perished on the long march. Chinese communism was set back for years after the long march - it took almost a decade for the Communists to recover. It was in reality the low point of communist power during the Chinese civil war. I find it sad and somewhat funny that you would believe everything your government tells you about everything.
Actually Chiang Kai Shek was never a democratic leader at heart, if he ruled china, he would establish a dictatorship no doubt, whether it would be worse than the communist regime, no one would know.
The two part documentary really shows great courage & determination of the comrades to travel more than 6700 km(more than double the distance between Indian cities of Srinagar & Trivandrum) in most difficult conditions.Of course China is much better in under Communist rule than Chiang Kai Shek.
The Long march was an 'astounding human accomplishment' !?! probably not for the 80,000 ill equipped communists that died in a disorganised attempt to flee from Nationalist troops.
@midnightminutes Well, if you discount the enormous human casualties, the Red Army managed to preserve the main core of their political/officer corps and the majority of troops. The main goal was to reach their main stronghold in the mountains where the Nationalists could not get them.
@Noobssuckass300 Then we would be like India. I always have this thinking that if Chiang and the KMT won the civil war, China would end up like modern India or Pakistan.
China was bound to go through some really hard times no matter which side won, Chiang's reign was marked by massive corruption and stupidity. His biggest mistake was concentrating his efforts on the more prosperous cities, which were a minority of the Chinese population. If he could've won the countryside.....
it was described as "the disaster of the 20th century"
the CCP did do good things like bring the inflation rate from 80,000% to 15%
but the fact is 30 million died. This was because of the competition amongst the communes, all the communes would of artificially inflate there production.
This is such interesting stuff. :) I like that the documentary seems unbiased too. It's hard to find a documentary about Mao or in any way related to him that doesn't come off biased. I have to go to bed right now, but i'll watch the other 5 parts tomorrow. Many thanks for posting it!
By the way, say what you will about Mao, but he turned China from a fractured, weak, plaything for foreign empires (which it had been for a very long time) into a united, strong, dignified and prestigious country.
the communist was a better army. If nationalist won china might have become another puppet of the west. Mao liberate Chinese people. He gives a big middle finger to the west.
It is hardly fair to call Chiang a "coward". He recognised, correctly, that the Communists were ultimately a bigger threat than the Japanese. As for pulling back his troops when the Japanese advanced on Nanking, he had no choice after the lost battle of Shanghai. Again, it was a correct military decision.
The biggest irony in all this is that the China of today is actually much closer to Chiang's vision than to Mao's. Historians like Jay Taylor or Rana Mitter make a very good case for that.
It says the communists were trained in the Soviet Union, then gave us the names of the two "main" leaders - Zhou Enlai and Mao Zedong. In fact, neither of these were educated in the USSR. Mao never went overseas, and Zhou Enlai, like many other communists, was educated in Japan.
Thanks for uploading this, it will help in my History Presentation which is very soon =] too bad it doesn't cover those German generals like Hans Von Seeckht or Braun (Li De), maybe it will cover them in the next part =O
@spupapi China needed a new order really, ofcourse Chiang Kai Shek was a strong leader of the Guomintang but why did he lose to the Chinese Red Army in the end? People supported the Communists over the Nationalists as the Chinese Red Army did more for the people
@mlk3y Supported? Or, coerced plus cheated? Let's see: to dirt poor peasants, land was promised. to intellectuals, US-styled total democracy was promised. CCP was selling Utopia with Leninistic communism as model and true core. Communist's trademarks are still inpractice in China --- a ministry of propaganda with tight media control and party-controlled judiciary system. "Do more for the people?" or, "our ignorance is their arrogance?" or, "they lie we die?"
@mlk3y and look what the Mao and his communism did to the people for the following 20 years. In contrary , Taiwan had exploded economically over that period of time. This documentary screams biases and it smells communist.
@DDavidDVD Good for Taiwan then. But the mainland is not the same Taiwan. If Chiang hasn't lost the civil war, then he won't have learnt his mistakes and make Taiwan properous, right? (I quoted words of Chiang Wee-kuo, son of CKS)
@DDavidDVD And just how much economic help was due to US involvement in keeping a counter force in Asia by supplying loans and armaments? I agree that this documentary, not to mention the uploader, is subtly biased.
The Nationalists were terrible, while the Communists were good when they came in 1949.Too bad they degenarated to the lowest points with the Great Leap and the Cultural Revolution
(Part6)The photos, Simmen said, will most likely reopen the wounds of war for many Japanese and Chinese with connections to Shanghai in 1937. But unlike the atrocities committed by the German Nazis during World War II, he said, too many have forgotten what happened in China.
(Part5)Others, mostly Chinese nationals accused of aiding the Japanese, were beheaded with a large sword. "For a Chinese," Simmen said, "somebody collaborating at that time with Japanese was worse than the Japanese because he sold out his own people."
Simmen said that his father destroyed the negatives before leaving China, and that his then-pregnant mother smuggled the prints out under her clothing.
(Part4)"They enjoyed it," Simmen said. "They (were) waiting for the head to get cut off, then they took the head and played football ... I mean that was a terrible thing." Simmen's father told him that the Chinese soldiers used a variety of torture methods on prisoners, including suspending them in wooden cages by the neck until they died of starvation. Some were shot, and their bodies stacked for mass burials.
(Part3)"It was his wish that I publish it," said John Simmen. "He said it would finance his stay in the hospital." John Simmen is now trying to find a publisher for the graphic photos. He said that he has been offered 3,000 German marks per photo, but that his primary concern is to let people know what his father told him happened in Shanghai.
(Part2)The photos, taken by a Swiss photographer near Shanghai in 1937, all depict the brutality of Chinese soldiers toward Japanese prisoners and Shanghai residents accused of helping the Japanese as they began their military conquest of China. The photos are so disturbing that Tom Simmen, who was in Shanghai on business and asked to witness the executions by the Chinese, kept them hidden away. But he told his son to make them public.
(Part1)Photos document brutality in Shanghai September 23, 1996
From Bangkok Bureau Chief Tom Mintier
BANGKOK, Thailand (CNN) -- Relations between Japan and China, strained in recent months over a disputed chain of uninhabited islands, may fray even further because of 18 small, grainy black and white photos taken 59 years ago.
(Part3)Among the records in the aforementioned Documents of the Safety Zone are detailed complaints about misconduct attributed to Japanese military personnel. They include a total of 26 murders, only one of which was witnessed (to that account is appended a note describing the murder as a lawful execution). Also, recent research has proven that there is absolutely no basis for the claim that there was a massacre in that city. How does China claim that 300,000 Chinese were killed by Japanese?
(Part2)That figure remained unchanged, at 200,000, throughout the remainder of 1937. By the end of January, it had increased to 250,000. These statistics completely and utterly destroy the credibility of any accusation of a massacre that claimed 300,000 victims.
(Part1)The International Committee administered to the civilians remaining in Nanking, who were gathered in the Safety Zone. Records of the International Committees activities were published in 1939 as Documents of the Nanking Safety Zone by a British company in Shanghai, under the auspices of the Nationalist Governments Council of International Affairs. According to those records, the population of Nanking prior to its occupation by the Japanese was 200,000.
Showing too much praise for one man over another shows its agenda. Mao was awful! Chaing was too trusting and didnt work hard enough. People under Mao LEFT china, while under Chaing they stayed. Remember this. People need to read REAL history
(Part7)Among the records in the aforementioned Documents of the Safety Zone are detailed complaints about misconduct attributed to Japanese military personnel. They include a total of 26 murders, only one of which was witnessed (to that account is appended a note describing the murder as a lawful execution). Also, recent research has proven that there is absolutely no basis for the claim that there was a massacre in that city. How does China claim that 300,000 Chinese were killed by Japanese?
(Part6)That figure remained unchanged, at 200,000, throughout the remainder of 1937. By the end of January, it had increased to 250,000. These statistics completely and utterly destroy the credibility of any accusation of a massacre that claimed 300,000 victims.
(Part5)The International Committee administered to the civilians remaining in Nanking, who were gathered in the Safety Zone. Records of the International Committees activities were published in 1939 as Documents of the Nanking Safety Zone by a British company in Shanghai, under the auspices of the Nationalist Governments Council of International Affairs. According to those records, the population of Nanking prior to its occupation by the Japanese was 200,000.
(Part4) About 35 foreign journalists and diplomats attended there. However, Chinese didnt explain the fact which was so-called the Nanking Massacre even once during any of these 300 conferences was a statement or announcement.
(Part3)In Nov. 1937, during the Battle of Nanking, the Nationalist Party established The International Propaganda Section (IPS). According to the top-secret document entitled Outline of International Propaganda Operations, the IPS held 300 press conferences in Hankou between Dec 1, 1937 and Oct 24, 1938.
(Part2)If there had been slaughter in Nanking of a magnitude so great (300,000 civilian victims) as to prompt the description holocaust of the century, there is not the slightest chance that he would have been silent on the matter.
(Part1)Chinese Communist Party Chairman Mao Zedong never referred to a massacre in Nanking. He made exactly one mention of the Battle of Nanking during a lecture delivered at Yanan six months after the conflict, reproduced in On Protracted War. Chairman Mao criticized the Japanese for failing to annihilate Chinese troops after having surrounded them.
Photographs purported to be evidence of a massacre in Nanking are on display at the Nanjing Massacre Memorial Hall, at other exhibitions, and in printed publications. However, Analyzing Photographic Evidence of the Nanking Massacre by Higashinakano Shudo (Soshisha, 2005) and other recent scientific research reveal that there are no photographs attesting to a massacre in Nanking. At least 143 pictures are distorted by Chinese government.
Oh my god. This is fucking insane. You guys have all been brainwashed by Communist propaganda. It is true that the winners of the war get to write the history. No shit the Communists are gonna tell the world about the Long March in their favor. They fucked over the Nationalists so everyone will listen to them. Who fought the Japanese? Who overthrew the Manchus? It was the Nationalists. Every single school history book that is pro-PRC will preach about the Commies because they won the war.
It's good to see that you also haven't been brainwashed yet. The winners of the war gets to write history, not the good guys. The Nationalists lost, so they lost their chance. The downfall of the Republic of China started when Chiang left the mainland. The ROC became an outcast within the world.
Why did the Communists have to alter Chinese writing? Why couldn't they have just left it alone instead of simplifying it? I heard that Mao wasn't the one who wanted to simplify the language. Someone please respond and tell me who was the asshole that decided to simplify the glorious Chinese writing into that simplified horseshit garbage.
@juliaisafilmbuff123 That's because It didn't happen...You can excuse actions by saying, well...it could have been worse, you have to judge what actually happened!
@martthesling a good proposal is it'll be similar to what is now... taiwan (nationalist china) become free only because it is on a island, much fewer people, much less power and needs to distinguish itself from china. all the while communist look more and mroe like the natioanlists... I'd say ROC might do the crackdown, stay between USSR and US as an independent superpower, lots of corruption (like today), lots of social disparity (like today), and lots of GDP (like today).
@martthesling btw, international wise tibet, uighur and mongolia would be on the "free xxx" list. having border issues with vietnam, russia, japan and india, probably conduct several wars on those... lots of human right pressure, and probably the escaped CCP member would the ones protesting at UN for "illegal imprisonment, torture, and killings"...
The nationalist ruled china from 1912-1949 and failed miserably. Life expectancy was only 35, literacy was 7% when they left, excessive corruption, foot binding was still the norm and many brutal massacres of rural peasants, who flocked to Mao Zedong banner of freedom in the Civl war.
Only a moron would describe a nation of a billion people "small."
Life expectancy worldwide was not much higher than thirty. Mao was the worst person in history. God you're a FUCKING MORON. Mao was a typical red subversive, he was trained in Moscow and he killed millions of his own citizens, even in the Sino-Japan war, and many more after he become chairman.
So maybe you should check life expectancy, literacy rates and GDP since the Mao's death. He was a curse to that country and every sane person knows it.
Mao didn't kill 70 million, its a lie created by the very people he defeated!
Under Mao life expectancy went from 35(parting gift from the failed KMT) to 65 at the time of his death, literacy went from 7% to 90%,the economy grew rapidly and the population increased by more than 100%, blowing a big hole in the lies of the fascists and revisionists.
Dont forget Chang Kai sheks relationship with the Nazi regime in Germany!
@andrelebaron not really, it would be a lot poorer. taiwan is only rich because 1 the koumintang rulers took loads of chinas money and concentrated it in taiwan, and 2 the US invested heavily in their asian alies (taiwan, japan, southkorea,etc) to make strong countries to counter the huge communist influence in the region. without the red threat those countries would probably be third world
@juliaisafilmbuff123 I hate the past communist leaders. They were so stuborn, there refused to fold ideas that failed. They had to stick to the communist book no matter how many suffered or died, Mao should have starved with those people, the leaders always ride in on our there glory. You will be known as one of the worst 3, actually the 1st of the 3
@juliaisafilmbuff123 it would have been like a huge Taiwan, therefore much better and prosperous than Communist China. As for Chiang Kai Shek's hypothetical dictatorship, had it taken place it could hardly have been worse than the Communist dictatorship. Look at Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Kim Il Sung, for instance. Hard to imagine Chiang Kai Shek being worse than those men.
@Tangoman82 no educated professor or economist would agree with you on china under the nationalist would be a big taiwan. a government that fail to win the support of the masses = fail, period.
China CCP is the World Leader in: 1) Lying 2) Torture 3) Racism 4) Brutality 5) Executions 6)? Repression 7) Slave Prisons 8) Internet Censorship 9) Human Rights Abuse 10) Disgusting Vulgar Speech 11) Brainwashed Uneducated Morons ( CHINESEHEART, GOLDENKEY007, HANCHINEZE...) 12) Killing : 50 mil Chinese &1 Mil
@cupcake The British committed a lot of atrocities in different parts of the world, killing millions of people in the process: the colonization of India, the "Oppium War" in China, the suppresion of the Mau-Mau in Kenya, etc. But, I am sure, in your eyes, they are very nice people. This is how western propaganda has poisoned every single cell of your brain.
theredsmurf13 2 weeks ago
@wingwaabullshit You can believe whatever your propagandistic, distorted media feeds you; in other words, you got the right to be as imbecile and ignorant as the moron who calls himself "2idiot4uandher".
theredsmurf13 1 month ago
@2idiot4uandher FYI, only an imbecile believes that there is a heaven and hell. Besides, you should always keep in mind the following: Gods are those who liberate the people; hence, Mao-Zedong and Lenin are greater than the hollow, hypocrite and negative Jesus Christ.
theredsmurf13 1 month ago
@AlienBusDriver SHUT UP & KEEP DRIVING!
theredsmurf13 1 month ago
This tells you Chinese can achieve the impossible if lead by the right people. Fuck u if u disagree, like I would give a shit what u think ;-)
tonycl568 1 month ago
Mao murdered 80 million people; Hitler murdered 12 million. How dare you bastards make Moa look like a hero! Moa is responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of innocent Buhdists, Christians, Muhammiduns, and Hindus. Moa Zedong is the biggest mass murderer in the history of the world! Burn in hell Mao!
TheComyslayer 1 month ago
i'm indonesian n i love mao.. is that a sin?
agielkamerad 2 months ago
Jiang Jie Shia was a coward murderer
radurambo 2 months ago
you non asian people will never understand our ASIAN people.
KahiaulaninuiloaTai 3 months ago
I wore out a few pairs of shoes on this trip.
dorjee168 3 months ago
The major reason why Communists won was because the nationalists were very corrupt.
gbatemper123 4 months ago
wow amazing. commies really are like vermin lol hard to kill and very stubborn
happosai27 4 months ago
@happosai27 Do even know what communism is?
Lukege15 1 month ago
@Lukege15 the most dreadful godless ideology ever made up by man that killed in excess of 100 million people in the 20th century alone i believe? i could be wrong
happosai27 1 month ago
@happosai27 Um, that's not answering my question, that's has absolutely nothing to do with communism -plus- you pulled that figure outta your arse! But, if you want to go down that rocky road, let's break down how many people capitalism has killed:
- 45 million American Indians killed (95% of entire pop) killed by capitalist colonization.
- 12 million African slaves, and subsequent affect on the prosperity on Africa: tens of millions killed in civil wars and genocides.
Cont...
Lukege15 1 month ago
@happosai27 - Capitalism in Europe (particularly UK and Ireland), was basically the legalized slavery of 90% of the population. Those killed by starvation: 10 million.
- Those killed fighting for their freedom in Latin America against the US imperialist and corporatist power: 500,000.
- 5 million killed in India during Britain's sustained occupation.
- Etc...
I might also point out that the USSR and China are or were by no means 'proper' communism, as in what what outlined by Marx.
Lukege15 1 month ago
@Lukege15 yeah you should totally move to north korea and help them spread world revolution so everyone can be as free as they are. whats wrong with propagandized gullible people running after collectivist terror regimes like its something good? you should be thankful that you don't live in a commieshithole. ask eastern europeans how "awesome" it was back then under commie tyranny
happosai27 1 month ago
@happosai27 Yet again you fail to address ANY of the points I've made. I fear it's people like you which have been 'propagandized'.
As for eastern Europe, my grandparents and father lived through Soviet oppression. Do you know what my father is now? A socialist politician. Because, as I have already mentioned, the USSR was not communism, rather a veiled imperial power.
I also find it funny how your eyes must have glazed over at the thought of capitalism's victims. You're a sheep.
Lukege15 1 month ago
@Lukege15 lol oh god.. commies escaping commietyranny is still clinching to this collectivist ideology. the worlds is doomed. i expect ww3 and the most bloody turmoil for the 21st century
happosai27 1 month ago
@happosai27 Pfffft-Bahahahaha! Oh my, thanks for the laugh.
I would love to believe you're joking - making comments like that - but I have an inkling you may actually be as stupid as you seem.
Lukege15 1 month ago
@Lukege15 yes funny how everyone thinks about the other side that they are stupid :D
but im not changing my opinion. massmurder in some way or another is coming for sure
happosai27 1 month ago
@happosai27 Why, oh why do you insist on making up shit? You must have not actually read a single thing I have said. I can excuse ignorance, but not those who CHOOSE to be ignorant - to live in a bubble.
When did I say I agree with mass-murder? I detest Mao, Stalin and the leftists that support them - similar ideology does not excuse murder (capitalism, though, has been the death of many more).
Those which support those perpetrators of genocide lose all my respect - Commie or no.
Lukege15 1 month ago
china vs america (1 on 1), america will fall in 3 days.......without her allies? america is nothing
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TheServiceWeb 5 months ago
The commies didn't fight japan either. Chiang Kai is my hero. And I'm american.
fitzerald297 5 months ago 2
@fitzerald297 they did when the coomunist and nationlist finally had an agreement because coomunist saved chiang from northern warlords
ihavesomerice 5 months ago
I think neither Chiang Kai Shek nor Mao Zedong should be called coward. Both of them are great. I prefer Chiang Kai Shek because the press photos of his appear to be more valuable then those of Maos'. You may check on Ebay. The truth says it all!
yaliubuliu 5 months ago
china is great
Ranasharif786 6 months ago
@Ranasharif786 Isn't it great? Communist China is going to own the United States soon. :D
8mmzzs 4 months ago
'Im not a communist but I support and take great joy watching Chairman Mao kick this arsehole hard in the balls so many times throughout this documentary!'
haha great description ;)
TurtlezHD 7 months ago
@trance technosucks Are you going to teach me about History? A fucking idiot like you who swallows western propaganda through every anatomical orifice that Nature gave you? Go read books by fellow Americans like Edgar Snow, William Hinton, et al, and perhaps you might learn something. And when you read your fisrt book, do it with your eyes and an open mind, not your sphincter.
theredsmurf13 8 months ago 4
@theredsmurf13
it's only because we are in the west that we can look at these documentaries so easily with just a little search, Youtube is forbidden in china. Not much coercive value to propaganda when acces to information is free and easy, including the auhtors you mention.
borninparis 4 months ago
chinawarriors1 thanks for uploading those episodes, is important history
Strugglle 8 months ago
@TheRhinehart86 I guess you haven't read about the conference that took place in Xunyi, and how Mao's military tactics came to replace the disastrous tactics implemented by Li Teh (aka Otto Braun) which cost the CCP dearly.
theredsmurf13 8 months ago
The damn Mao should have died in Long March! what a miracle he didn't what an asshole!
NgJackal1990 8 months ago
Mao was a military genius, he managed to outmanoeuvre the japanese and nationalist forces with meager resources. What he couldnt do was to rule a country......
lordangelic 8 months ago
This is about .... Some economi crisiss at that time.
All the countries around the world got a shock.
That's the background of WW2, which tech by the middle school student's
textbook.
newtonsecondlaw 9 months ago
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taught
newtonsecondlaw 9 months ago
People must have some ways to live, even live through hard time.
You can't let your people die and lose their hope which is the most basic idea for chinese people.
newtonsecondlaw 9 months ago
@newtonsecondlaw
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newtonsecondlaw 9 months ago
Never say it's about the propaganda please.
60%-70% news is written in English you know.
We have our reason to do it.
If you like to use it to do something, china has to block to protect itself.
newtonsecondlaw 9 months ago
@newtonsecondlaw I am not criticizingly the use of the long march as propaganda. I am criticizing the complete disregard China showed and continues to show for the many many victims of the long march in portraying the long march as a victory. There are moments which the Chinese communist party SHOULD be proud of. The long march is not one of them, it was a moment where the party turned upon its supporters and forced them on a death march to preserve itself.
jeremyIfisher 9 months ago
@jeremyIfisher
This is war. You should not use today's peaceful point to view it.
I don't know when did checks and balances happen, but i think if Washington did not have
a good Army, the foundation of the country should be a dream.
If without France and Spain to against the British, so.... ok i don't know.
newtonsecondlaw 9 months ago
@newtonsecondlaw Well the point of a war is to kill the enemy. Don't get me wrong - no country is without ugly history. For example Churchill ordered the navy to fire on the French preemptively, America constantly kills civilians through neglectful use of drones etc. Point is no nation is without atrocities in their history but most don't wear their atrocities as badges of honour.
Not being critical of China or Attacking china here - just how they treat the long march.
jeremyIfisher 9 months ago
@jeremyIfisher
The staff sallary is 600 Fiat Money a year（maybe)
Which just afford a Soap at last.
newtonsecondlaw 9 months ago
@jeremyIfisher
oh ~ good afternoon.
newtonsecondlaw 9 months ago
@jeremyIfisher History really is only an account a story told based on what people know or saw and History is an approximation to explain situations that are to be remembered,celebrated,or that cannot be ignored or left unexplained. History is never complete,it is never accurate and it does not tell the whole story or even reflect the truth, my point is this history episode is good for chinese people to know their history no matter long march saved Mao Zedong and the communist party either.
Strugglle 7 months ago
@Strugglle I haven't been following your discussion at all but read this comment and really liked it. Well done noble steed.
allytron 6 months ago
@allytron thank you!
Strugglle 6 months ago
@newtonsecondlaw Also remember - soldiers' lives were favoured over those of civilians. There is nothing "good" about the long march. In celebrating the long march you are not celebrating the achievement of the communist party you are celebrating an atrocity.
jeremyIfisher 9 months ago
@jeremyIfisher
I made a mistake.
It should be the information.
newtonsecondlaw 9 months ago
@jeremyIfisher
Ok .. I will say Chiang's govenment is so bad that
the 'good' staff of the Gov's sallary just afford 3 roosters a year.
Check the Fiat Money during 1935-1946 if you like.
newtonsecondlaw 9 months ago
It is Japan to save the Communist China.
mastmanageangelatsui 9 months ago
The Long March is perhaps the greatest human feat ever accomplished by any army throughout history. Chairman Mao is indeed the "Great Helmsman" of the Chinese people. Heroes like him and those who followed him to victory will live forever in the hearts of every Chinese who loves their country.
theredsmurf13 9 months ago 14
@theredsmurf13 I agree that the long march is one of the greatest accomplishments in history, however I think people should be careful not to give Mao too much credit, he was just one man among thousands
TheRhinehart86 8 months ago
@theredsmurf13 What the fuck is this shit... Mao killed over 70 million of his own people and you call him a hero? You are a fucking maniac and you need to learn some history.
TranceTechnoSucks 8 months ago
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@theredsmurf13 "Heroes like him and those who followed him to victory will live forever in the hearts of every Chinese who loves their country."
All those whose ancestors weren't massacred or starved to death by his arrogance and flawed policies, of course...
Lukege15 1 month ago
@theredsmurf13 ur a retard chinese people should be ashamed about Mao he has the record for most people killed in history! He should burn in hell with fucking hitler and those other assholes if u r proud of that hav fun burning with ur hero.
2cool4uandher 1 month ago
@theredsmurf13 I hope you down own your computer smurf, otherwise I be taking that off you.
AlienBusDriver 1 month ago in playlist Mao Zedong Documentary
@theredsmurf13 Mao is single greatest mass murderer in history....sure the long march is amazing...but mao is an idiot...who barely walked a foot during the march
wingwaabuddha 1 month ago
@theredsmurf13 He is not that great. Research more... He is a bad person killed many (70 million.) LEARN MORE!
Cupcakemonter723 3 weeks ago
Now I understood China's greatness
astridbelge 9 months ago
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Is it true that Chiang Kai Shek consulted German military advisors??
astridbelge 9 months ago
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astridbelge 9 months ago
emm most of the people on the march died... why does china celebrate the long march.
jeremyIfisher 10 months ago
@jeremyIfisher because the Communists turned what should have been a major defeat into a victory.
chromelemon 9 months ago
@chromelemon It WAS a major defeat. Communist propaganda painted it as a victory. Most of Mao's initial supporters perished on the long march. Chinese communism was set back for years after the long march - it took almost a decade for the Communists to recover. It was in reality the low point of communist power during the Chinese civil war. I find it sad and somewhat funny that you would believe everything your government tells you about everything.
jeremyIfisher 9 months ago
@jeremyIfisher
It's a crossing. Only one direction is to the victory.
Yes it's a defeat. But we like looking all the things as a whole to make this event seems much meaningful,
different, experienced than other similar things ever happened in the history.
newtonsecondlaw 9 months ago
@jeremyIfisher
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This is a video about Korea war. Which called south bound. Your commander said this to cheer the army up.
We just did the same thing. To remember how hard environment these people lived in before. To let the young cherish today's treasure and peace.
newtonsecondlaw 9 months ago
Actually Chiang Kai Shek was never a democratic leader at heart, if he ruled china, he would establish a dictatorship no doubt, whether it would be worse than the communist regime, no one would know.
lordangelic 10 months ago
i feel sorry for those horses seriously!!! chinese wanted a change in life, THEY DONT!!!
HorsecrazyMichelle 11 months ago
PRC IS NOT THE REAL CHINA! THE PRC ARE COWARDS WHO WON BY RUNNING CALLED "THE GREAT LONG MARCH"!
Real china is the democratic and free! The Nationalists CHINA!
spupapi 11 months ago
Long live the Great Chinese Revolution!
theboyuan0jcfan 11 months ago
Sigh....People should just talk it over and learn to live in peace. War is stupid. Especially civil war.
zprodigalson 1 year ago
The two part documentary really shows great courage & determination of the comrades to travel more than 6700 km(more than double the distance between Indian cities of Srinagar & Trivandrum) in most difficult conditions.Of course China is much better in under Communist rule than Chiang Kai Shek.
redstarcn 1 year ago
The Long march was an 'astounding human accomplishment' !?! probably not for the 80,000 ill equipped communists that died in a disorganised attempt to flee from Nationalist troops.
midnightminutes 1 year ago
@midnightminutes Well, if you discount the enormous human casualties, the Red Army managed to preserve the main core of their political/officer corps and the majority of troops. The main goal was to reach their main stronghold in the mountains where the Nationalists could not get them.
romanlegions 11 months ago
I DONT GET IT...SO MUCH MACHO IN THEM YET SO LITTLE PENIS LOL
818indaEaStSid3 1 year ago
Chiang Kai-shek (Jiang Jieshi) was *not* "well-educated" apart from his mandatory officer's academy studies, his wife was well educated.
LeHuyAnh 1 year ago
this screams bias
ChuggerX 1 year ago
@ChuggerX it is not meant for political purpose, but human achievement purpose.
theboyuan0jcfan 11 months ago
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Noobssuckass300 1 year ago
@Noobssuckass300 Then we would be like India. I always have this thinking that if Chiang and the KMT won the civil war, China would end up like modern India or Pakistan.
theboyuan0jcfan 11 months ago
China was bound to go through some really hard times no matter which side won, Chiang's reign was marked by massive corruption and stupidity. His biggest mistake was concentrating his efforts on the more prosperous cities, which were a minority of the Chinese population. If he could've won the countryside.....
SpudForce 1 year ago
Again, look up economic growth under Mao you poor dunce.
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MrReco12 1 year ago
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tom19939 1 year ago
@MrReco12
Mate you're an idiot,
it was described as "the disaster of the 20th century"
the CCP did do good things like bring the inflation rate from 80,000% to 15%
but the fact is 30 million died. This was because of the competition amongst the communes, all the communes would of artificially inflate there production.
hence there was severe famine
hence you're an idiot.
tom19939 1 year ago
@tom19939
Idiot
Look at the population growth under Mao,the population increased by more than 60% you dunderhead!
MrReco12 1 year ago
@MrReco12
Honestly mate you have no clue...
i don't see how, even if the population did increase
you can call 30-38 million dead a good thing?
and your sub-par put-downs do suck
tom19939 1 year ago
@tom19939
population growth under Mao:
# 1950: 552,000,000
# 1960: 648,000,000
# 1970: 820,000,000
# 1975: 924,000,000
Your 30 million figure is a lie, read Mobo Goa's "Battle for China's past"
MrReco12 1 year ago
@MrReco12
Yeah so your going to believe propaganda?
i suppose your view on the Long March was also
"A win for us and a loss for them"?
tom19939 1 year ago
This is such interesting stuff. :) I like that the documentary seems unbiased too. It's hard to find a documentary about Mao or in any way related to him that doesn't come off biased. I have to go to bed right now, but i'll watch the other 5 parts tomorrow. Many thanks for posting it!
By the way, say what you will about Mao, but he turned China from a fractured, weak, plaything for foreign empires (which it had been for a very long time) into a united, strong, dignified and prestigious country.
ComradeLenin1289 1 year ago
Mao was carried around during the KM according to Jiang Chang
hillarychapman1 1 year ago
the communist was a better army. If nationalist won china might have become another puppet of the west. Mao liberate Chinese people. He gives a big middle finger to the west.
neonaction 1 year ago
It is hardly fair to call Chiang a "coward". He recognised, correctly, that the Communists were ultimately a bigger threat than the Japanese. As for pulling back his troops when the Japanese advanced on Nanking, he had no choice after the lost battle of Shanghai. Again, it was a correct military decision.
The biggest irony in all this is that the China of today is actually much closer to Chiang's vision than to Mao's. Historians like Jay Taylor or Rana Mitter make a very good case for that.
godagast 1 year ago
nationalists lost because full of corruption
saadownz 1 year ago
i like the sound track.....can you tell me the theme song of the this documentary....it sounds epic
XLnotsofunny 1 year ago
I'm not communist, but this documentary is amazing, I love historical stuff like this.
bjr43 1 year ago
LONG LIVE CHAIRMAN MAO. WE LOVE YOU FOREVER. FROM CANADA
steve200003 1 year ago
It says the communists were trained in the Soviet Union, then gave us the names of the two "main" leaders - Zhou Enlai and Mao Zedong. In fact, neither of these were educated in the USSR. Mao never went overseas, and Zhou Enlai, like many other communists, was educated in Japan.
herunarivelice 1 year ago
Thanks for uploading this, it will help in my History Presentation which is very soon =] too bad it doesn't cover those German generals like Hans Von Seeckht or Braun (Li De), maybe it will cover them in the next part =O
mlk3y 1 year ago
What is the name of this series, or is it just the long march. I googled it and couldent find any information on it
Topgun39000 1 year ago
Fuck you, Chiang kai Shek is the national hero. You're talking shit.
spupapi 1 year ago
@spupapi China needed a new order really, ofcourse Chiang Kai Shek was a strong leader of the Guomintang but why did he lose to the Chinese Red Army in the end? People supported the Communists over the Nationalists as the Chinese Red Army did more for the people
mlk3y 1 year ago 12
@mlk3y Supported? Or, coerced plus cheated? Let's see: to dirt poor peasants, land was promised. to intellectuals, US-styled total democracy was promised. CCP was selling Utopia with Leninistic communism as model and true core. Communist's trademarks are still inpractice in China --- a ministry of propaganda with tight media control and party-controlled judiciary system. "Do more for the people?" or, "our ignorance is their arrogance?" or, "they lie we die?"
closertotruth 1 year ago
@mlk3y and look what the Mao and his communism did to the people for the following 20 years. In contrary , Taiwan had exploded economically over that period of time. This documentary screams biases and it smells communist.
DDavidDVD 1 year ago
@DDavidDVD Good for Taiwan then. But the mainland is not the same Taiwan. If Chiang hasn't lost the civil war, then he won't have learnt his mistakes and make Taiwan properous, right? (I quoted words of Chiang Wee-kuo, son of CKS)
theboyuan0jcfan 11 months ago
@DDavidDVD And just how much economic help was due to US involvement in keeping a counter force in Asia by supplying loans and armaments? I agree that this documentary, not to mention the uploader, is subtly biased.
romanlegions 11 months ago
The Nationalists were terrible, while the Communists were good when they came in 1949.Too bad they degenarated to the lowest points with the Great Leap and the Cultural Revolution
TatooineBoy 1 year ago
Fuck mao
FXThug 1 year ago
@FXThug Fuck Corrupt-ness but you got to love Mao ;D
mlk3y 1 year ago
Great video series!
Thanks for posting!
euch27 1 year ago
(Part6)The photos, Simmen said, will most likely reopen the wounds of war for many Japanese and Chinese with connections to Shanghai in 1937. But unlike the atrocities committed by the German Nazis during World War II, he said, too many have forgotten what happened in China.
oddballrach 1 year ago
(Part5)Others, mostly Chinese nationals accused of aiding the Japanese, were beheaded with a large sword. "For a Chinese," Simmen said, "somebody collaborating at that time with Japanese was worse than the Japanese because he sold out his own people."
Simmen said that his father destroyed the negatives before leaving China, and that his then-pregnant mother smuggled the prints out under her clothing.
oddballrach 1 year ago
(Part4)"They enjoyed it," Simmen said. "They (were) waiting for the head to get cut off, then they took the head and played football ... I mean that was a terrible thing." Simmen's father told him that the Chinese soldiers used a variety of torture methods on prisoners, including suspending them in wooden cages by the neck until they died of starvation. Some were shot, and their bodies stacked for mass burials.
oddballrach 1 year ago
(Part3)"It was his wish that I publish it," said John Simmen. "He said it would finance his stay in the hospital." John Simmen is now trying to find a publisher for the graphic photos. He said that he has been offered 3,000 German marks per photo, but that his primary concern is to let people know what his father told him happened in Shanghai.
oddballrach 1 year ago
(Part2)The photos, taken by a Swiss photographer near Shanghai in 1937, all depict the brutality of Chinese soldiers toward Japanese prisoners and Shanghai residents accused of helping the Japanese as they began their military conquest of China. The photos are so disturbing that Tom Simmen, who was in Shanghai on business and asked to witness the executions by the Chinese, kept them hidden away. But he told his son to make them public.
oddballrach 1 year ago
(Part1)Photos document brutality in Shanghai September 23, 1996
From Bangkok Bureau Chief Tom Mintier
BANGKOK, Thailand (CNN) -- Relations between Japan and China, strained in recent months over a disputed chain of uninhabited islands, may fray even further because of 18 small, grainy black and white photos taken 59 years ago.
oddballrach 1 year ago
long live maosim
Grungy3651 1 year ago
long live maosim
Grungy3651 1 year ago
most succesful communism after soviet union.
Grungy3651 1 year ago
most succesful communism after soviet union.
Grungy3651 1 year ago
The whole world lost when Mao Zedong survived the Long March. Mao and his gang turned their country in to hell.
genrail1 1 year ago
fucking coward try to run away from being slaughtered, what is the bravery?
lastmohicanfromchina 1 year ago
(Part3)Among the records in the aforementioned Documents of the Safety Zone are detailed complaints about misconduct attributed to Japanese military personnel. They include a total of 26 murders, only one of which was witnessed (to that account is appended a note describing the murder as a lawful execution). Also, recent research has proven that there is absolutely no basis for the claim that there was a massacre in that city. How does China claim that 300,000 Chinese were killed by Japanese?
oddballrach 1 year ago
@oddballrach LOL aint bothered to read tht
beeeeeeper 1 year ago
(Part2)That figure remained unchanged, at 200,000, throughout the remainder of 1937. By the end of January, it had increased to 250,000. These statistics completely and utterly destroy the credibility of any accusation of a massacre that claimed 300,000 victims.
oddballrach 1 year ago
(Part1)The International Committee administered to the civilians remaining in Nanking, who were gathered in the Safety Zone. Records of the International Committees activities were published in 1939 as Documents of the Nanking Safety Zone by a British company in Shanghai, under the auspices of the Nationalist Governments Council of International Affairs. According to those records, the population of Nanking prior to its occupation by the Japanese was 200,000.
oddballrach 1 year ago
Showing too much praise for one man over another shows its agenda. Mao was awful! Chaing was too trusting and didnt work hard enough. People under Mao LEFT china, while under Chaing they stayed. Remember this. People need to read REAL history
tfrogley1 1 year ago
(Part7)Among the records in the aforementioned Documents of the Safety Zone are detailed complaints about misconduct attributed to Japanese military personnel. They include a total of 26 murders, only one of which was witnessed (to that account is appended a note describing the murder as a lawful execution). Also, recent research has proven that there is absolutely no basis for the claim that there was a massacre in that city. How does China claim that 300,000 Chinese were killed by Japanese?
oddballrach 1 year ago
(Part6)That figure remained unchanged, at 200,000, throughout the remainder of 1937. By the end of January, it had increased to 250,000. These statistics completely and utterly destroy the credibility of any accusation of a massacre that claimed 300,000 victims.
oddballrach 1 year ago
(Part5)The International Committee administered to the civilians remaining in Nanking, who were gathered in the Safety Zone. Records of the International Committees activities were published in 1939 as Documents of the Nanking Safety Zone by a British company in Shanghai, under the auspices of the Nationalist Governments Council of International Affairs. According to those records, the population of Nanking prior to its occupation by the Japanese was 200,000.
oddballrach 1 year ago
(Part4) About 35 foreign journalists and diplomats attended there. However, Chinese didnt explain the fact which was so-called the Nanking Massacre even once during any of these 300 conferences was a statement or announcement.
oddballrach 1 year ago
(Part3)In Nov. 1937, during the Battle of Nanking, the Nationalist Party established The International Propaganda Section (IPS). According to the top-secret document entitled Outline of International Propaganda Operations, the IPS held 300 press conferences in Hankou between Dec 1, 1937 and Oct 24, 1938.
oddballrach 1 year ago
(Part2)If there had been slaughter in Nanking of a magnitude so great (300,000 civilian victims) as to prompt the description holocaust of the century, there is not the slightest chance that he would have been silent on the matter.
oddballrach 1 year ago
(Part1)Chinese Communist Party Chairman Mao Zedong never referred to a massacre in Nanking. He made exactly one mention of the Battle of Nanking during a lecture delivered at Yanan six months after the conflict, reproduced in On Protracted War. Chairman Mao criticized the Japanese for failing to annihilate Chinese troops after having surrounded them.
oddballrach 1 year ago
Photographs purported to be evidence of a massacre in Nanking are on display at the Nanjing Massacre Memorial Hall, at other exhibitions, and in printed publications. However, Analyzing Photographic Evidence of the Nanking Massacre by Higashinakano Shudo (Soshisha, 2005) and other recent scientific research reveal that there are no photographs attesting to a massacre in Nanking. At least 143 pictures are distorted by Chinese government.
oddballrach 1 year ago
Chiang Kai-shek was a National Hero!!
EmperorTiger 1 year ago
Oh my god. This is fucking insane. You guys have all been brainwashed by Communist propaganda. It is true that the winners of the war get to write the history. No shit the Communists are gonna tell the world about the Long March in their favor. They fucked over the Nationalists so everyone will listen to them. Who fought the Japanese? Who overthrew the Manchus? It was the Nationalists. Every single school history book that is pro-PRC will preach about the Commies because they won the war.
GretzkyTheWonderDog 1 year ago
too bad the nationalist never truly unified the country. Giving the opportunity for Japanese invasion and communist insurrection.
panzersherman 1 year ago
@panzersherman
It's good to see that you also haven't been brainwashed yet. The winners of the war gets to write history, not the good guys. The Nationalists lost, so they lost their chance. The downfall of the Republic of China started when Chiang left the mainland. The ROC became an outcast within the world.
GretzkyTheWonderDog 1 year ago
I'm thankful it was actually the Communists that won, although I'm no Commie.
Pigeonzbomb12 1 year ago
I'm not a maoist, but I couldn't imagine what China would have been like if the nationalists had won.
juliaisafilmbuff123 2 years ago 18
Why did the Communists have to alter Chinese writing? Why couldn't they have just left it alone instead of simplifying it? I heard that Mao wasn't the one who wanted to simplify the language. Someone please respond and tell me who was the asshole that decided to simplify the glorious Chinese writing into that simplified horseshit garbage.
GretzkyTheWonderDog 1 year ago
@juliaisafilmbuff123 That's because It didn't happen...You can excuse actions by saying, well...it could have been worse, you have to judge what actually happened!
ykoshy 1 year ago
@juliaisafilmbuff123 fascism..then crackdown... then a free society. look at taiwan...japan...italy...south korea.
martthesling 1 year ago
@martthesling a good proposal is it'll be similar to what is now... taiwan (nationalist china) become free only because it is on a island, much fewer people, much less power and needs to distinguish itself from china. all the while communist look more and mroe like the natioanlists... I'd say ROC might do the crackdown, stay between USSR and US as an independent superpower, lots of corruption (like today), lots of social disparity (like today), and lots of GDP (like today).
EPsuperFan 1 year ago
@martthesling btw, international wise tibet, uighur and mongolia would be on the "free xxx" list. having border issues with vietnam, russia, japan and india, probably conduct several wars on those... lots of human right pressure, and probably the escaped CCP member would the ones protesting at UN for "illegal imprisonment, torture, and killings"...
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DFrizzleNizzle 1 year ago
@juliaisafilmbuff123
Like Taiwan, nice and democratic.... Fucking MORON.
TaqiyyaExposer 1 year ago
@TaqiyyaExposer
I am afraid that you are the "Fucking MORON".
The nationalist ruled china from 1912-1949 and failed miserably. Life expectancy was only 35, literacy was 7% when they left, excessive corruption, foot binding was still the norm and many brutal massacres of rural peasants, who flocked to Mao Zedong banner of freedom in the Civl war.
Only a moron would describe a nation of a billion people "small."
Moron!
MrReco12 1 year ago
@MrReco12
Life expectancy worldwide was not much higher than thirty. Mao was the worst person in history. God you're a FUCKING MORON. Mao was a typical red subversive, he was trained in Moscow and he killed millions of his own citizens, even in the Sino-Japan war, and many more after he become chairman.
Go fly a red flag cock smoker.
TaqiyyaExposer 1 year ago
@TaqiyyaExposer Compare China to india you "Fucking MORON"
In the mid-1970s, life expectancy in China reached 63.6 for men and 66.3 for women, compared to an average of only 49.4 in India.
The Far right have never got over the fact that the GREAT MAO ZEDONG defeated them!
MrReco12 1 year ago
@MrReco12
So maybe you should check life expectancy, literacy rates and GDP since the Mao's death. He was a curse to that country and every sane person knows it.
TaqiyyaExposer 1 year ago
@TaqiyyaExposer
Under Mao, the average rate of economic growth was over 10%
You are a goose.
MrReco12 1 year ago
@MrReco12
WOW, what a fucking joke. The growth of what? famine related deaths?
TaqiyyaExposer 1 year ago
@TaqiyyaExposer
Economic growth you moronic dunce. Look it up!
MrReco12 1 year ago
@MrReco12
My god, the great leap forward was a disaster, millions died and the economy collapsed, where do you get your facts?
TaqiyyaExposer 1 year ago
@juliaisafilmbuff123
Agreed with TaqiyyaExposer.
Like Taiwan. Small and rich
spupapi 1 year ago
@juliaisafilmbuff123
yeah probably 70 millions deads and some other millions on gulags and brainwashed to love their leader... wait... wasn´t that Mao´s china¿?
VitalMusic217 1 year ago
@VitalMusic217
Idiot!
Mao didn't kill 70 million, its a lie created by the very people he defeated!
Under Mao life expectancy went from 35(parting gift from the failed KMT) to 65 at the time of his death, literacy went from 7% to 90%,the economy grew rapidly and the population increased by more than 100%, blowing a big hole in the lies of the fascists and revisionists.
Dont forget Chang Kai sheks relationship with the Nazi regime in Germany!
MrReco12 1 year ago
@juliaisafilmbuff123 Maybe what Tchaiwan is?
MrLasicak 1 year ago
@juliaisafilmbuff123 more like Taiwan I imagine
andrelebaron 1 year ago
@andrelebaron not really, it would be a lot poorer. taiwan is only rich because 1 the koumintang rulers took loads of chinas money and concentrated it in taiwan, and 2 the US invested heavily in their asian alies (taiwan, japan, southkorea,etc) to make strong countries to counter the huge communist influence in the region. without the red threat those countries would probably be third world
scarletghoul 11 months ago
@juliaisafilmbuff123 If Kuomintang have won ,the worst anticipation is,you just live as Indians not Taiwanese.
slivedkillu 11 months ago
@juliaisafilmbuff123 I hate the past communist leaders. They were so stuborn, there refused to fold ideas that failed. They had to stick to the communist book no matter how many suffered or died, Mao should have starved with those people, the leaders always ride in on our there glory. You will be known as one of the worst 3, actually the 1st of the 3
meronmotors 11 months ago
@juliaisafilmbuff123 Something closer to democratic Taiwan than to one of history's worst massacres of innocent life maybe?
Rimbe210280 11 months ago
@juliaisafilmbuff123 it would have been like a huge Taiwan, therefore much better and prosperous than Communist China. As for Chiang Kai Shek's hypothetical dictatorship, had it taken place it could hardly have been worse than the Communist dictatorship. Look at Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Kim Il Sung, for instance. Hard to imagine Chiang Kai Shek being worse than those men.
Tangoman82 10 months ago
@Tangoman82 no educated professor or economist would agree with you on china under the nationalist would be a big taiwan. a government that fail to win the support of the masses = fail, period.
hanwenzero 9 months ago
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burn these sons of bitches into hell.
trueman1984 2 years ago
Nice documentary! so the two characters certainly shaped the course of china's future
thechosenrabbit 2 years ago
fuck you and your anti-russian sentiment.
Racists bastards are the scum of the earth, not russian people.
ramberghini 2 years ago 2
Chinese students are so propagandized that conversation with them is not possible. NOTE: youtube is blocked inside China.
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