You are by far the worst human ?? On earth. Guys this person he does not live on this planet he wants you to believe that Israeli are the nicest people on earth like him. They have been the cause of all troubles for the last hundred years here I mean Jews . Zionist .
Pat you make it look so simple to understand? but the question is, have the Muslims always hated Jews? I don't think they hate Jews because they have co-existed for thousands of years in peace, I think they hate the Israeli policy harvesting of Palestinian lives and land since 1948, and to be honest pointing fingers at others while you have three pointing back at you? that's stupid.
I think your point of view is coming from a man that watches to much Tv.
Yes, muslims have always hated Jews - it is written in the Qur'an many times.
Neither have they coexisted for "thousands of years in peace" - the 36 pogroms between 1840 and 1926 alone put the lie to this propagandist claim - as do the incidents of slaughter in al-Andalus, modern Spain, where in one incident alone, 5000 Jews were said to have been put to the sword.
The beheading of between 600 and 900 of the Qurayza tribe, some by Mad Mo himself, show the early start
"harvesting of Palestinian lives and land" - well, there's a neutral, well researched and reasoned statement.......!!
Of course you have the evidence that Israel "harvests" Palestinian lives, don't you?
As for the land, Judea and Samaria constitute land taken in a war started by Jordan, Syria and Egypt. I would suggest that "harvesting" is not in the slightest applicable and is really just part of your propagandist demonization of Israel.
that must be why he made all those islamic countries into such advanced and civilized nations, leading the world in peace, tolerance, human rights, creativity, productivity, equality and education...
@djs259, I have two questions for you that I know you will refuse to answer.
Israel has FIVE facilities from "Intel" where Israeli engineers invented the Centrino CPU yet 440,000,000 Arabs in 22 countries have no such facility, let alone sewing factories to even make doll clothes.
Israeli agricultural products fill the shelves of Europe but 22 Arab countries with 444,000,000 people, combined, do not have the same export power.
@SatchmoSings thanks for your reply. I just get tired of these crazy idiots with their tape loops. You ask them to substantiate a claim and then they say something else on top of it like a whinging 5 year old child. They are toxic scum. They have no basis for ANYTHING that pops out of their mouths and they don't know history at all. It gets futile arguing with them but I must admit I do like shutting them down.
@GirlonFilm1969 It is frightfully rare that Israel is ever criticized from the point-of-view of "RealPolitik" and on those frightfully rare occasions when it does happen, that critic does get my whole and undivided attention.
You are correct of course; 99.99% of the negative criticism hurled at Israel is all demonization and ultimately that critic also really does mean Jews.
and "palestine didn't exist until after the fact"? neither did the usa. it used to be called virginia until sufficient indigenous people were cheated and killed.
@MustafaBiggun During the time of The Mandate, the Jews created a complete "shadow government" that was able to step in once Israel was declared a country; the Arabs never did any such thing.
@AntiShitMitiC That Israel shouldn't exist as per Jewish religious law is perhaps the only intellectually honest thing you'll say in this entire matter and I do mean ONLY.
@AntiShitMitiC Your comment to @SatchmoSings: ",,,bullshit,,its Palestine,,israel should never exist acording to torah"!!!
According to the Torah, Muhammad is a FALSE PROPHET and his religion of PISS also needs to be crushed for ETERNITY!! When will you start this DIVINE RITUAL (of burying PISSlam back into the CAVE HIRA)?!!
@SatchmoSings Yes, this "shadow shadow government" consisted primarily of the ranks of Jewish terrorist groups such as the Irgun and the Stern gang, which later went into forming the precursor to today's criminal IDF forces, the Hagganah.
@djs259 I want to thank you for your continued lies and demonization of Zionism, Israel and Jews in general; the whole issue of "Realpolitik" totally escapes you
You are living proof that The Holocaust has never ended only now, we Jews have our own country complete with at least 125 nukes, many of them on cruise missiles on submarines, all ready and waiting.
It is because most people who criticize Israel are just like you, this gives Israel every impetus to justify everything it does.
@ArmorDinnerJacket You will notice that any criticism of Israel from a totally "realpolitik" point-of-view is generally non-existent; 99.9% of criticism of Israel (and also Jewish people) merely consist of demonization.
In fact, on the frightfully rare occasion that a "realpolitik" criticism of Israel DOES appear, the person making it has my complete and devoted attention.
@SatchmoSings Perhaps this is because many critics of Israel refuse to to lend the intellectual legitimacy that a "realpolitik" critique would necessarily imply, and moreover refuse to concede that the whole shitty Zionist project is in any real way an irreversible "fait accompli".
You and the rest of your Jewish extremist fanatic buddies should realize that Zionism can and will eventually be destroyed. And it isn't only Jew haters who want this. It's many Jews themselves.
@djs259 Ah, so now you admit that Israel is "the whole shitty Zionist project."
A minimum of 125 nukes, many of them on cruise missiles on submarines makes Israel a "fait accompli."
Another perhaps more tangible "fait accompli" involving Israel is that Israel has FIVE facilities from "Intel," one of which is where the Intel Centrino CPU was invented but 440,000,000 Arabs in 22 countries can't even attract a factory to sew DOLL CLOTHES!!!
it's quite amazing the amount of hysteria and hyperbole employed by israel's opponents, yet the complete refusal to back up these fantastical claims with any evidence is a stunning indictment of the mental incapacity of those same people
@ArmorDinnerJacket This coming from someone who has made the preposterous claim that the 'holocaust against Jews continues today", that "Israel is not occupying anyone", and that the heavily pro-Israel media which diligently maintains the current state of ignorance on the part of the looted American public of Israel's violent historical campaign of ethnic cleansing is "against Israel".
If it weren't costing so many innocent deluded people their lives it would be timelessly comedic.
@ArmorDinnerJacket Then that's the way you must answer any of these "demonization" critics of Israel; there is nothing to refute because they just end up repeating it all over again.
They are so blinded by their hatred of Jews they cannot see that this endless demonization of Jews and Israel is precisely what motivates Israel to keep doing and more importantly, being what it is.
the mind of the moslem really does appear to be quite lacking in the benefits of evolution in rational thought that the rest of civilization has embraced
I agree with him for most part, but he speaks as if Israel cares about human life (other than Israelis). I see both Israelis and Palestinians equally violent. neither is better.
@ArmorDinnerJacket You may make use of incendiary epithets like "fakestinians" if you wish, but common sense and logic seem to dictate pretty clearly that an Arab whose family has a history in either Israel proper or the occupied territories going back generations has a greater moral claim to the disputed land than Jews from Brooklyn and Eastern Europe whose ancestors likely never stepped foot in Palestine.
given that over a million jews in israel are ethnic middle eastern jews, (the majority of whom were expelled from surrounding countries, unlike the arabs who fled) then they clearly have a right to be there
@ArmorDinnerJacket Moreover, the Palestinian pop rockets have caused a mere 28 documented casualties from 2001-2009. Contrast that number with the more than 1200 casualties (mostly civilian) which resulted from Israel's infamous Gaza raid alone.
So you're clearly an idiot for characterizing the disparity between the level of violence inflicted between the two sides as favoring Israel. Israel's use of force has been massively disproportionate. The lopsided death toll clearly bears this out.
where does it say that israel is only allowed to retaliate with the same force?
the figures show that up to 700+ casualties were "fakestinian" fighters - cowards who dress in civilian clothes, use civilians as human shields and ambulances as troop transport
you are an idiot for suggesting that anyone is only allowed to fight back with the same level of violence - the idea of retaliating against your attacker is to win - with this in mind israel are foolish not to carpet bomb
@ArmorDinnerJacket Israel has no right to retaliate, PERIOD. It is an occupying power, and is therefore obligated to withdraw its armies. Save for that, it has absolutely no moral justification (much less a legal one) for the horrific death and mayhem it is inflicting on the Palestinian REFUGEES which aggressive Zionists nationalists have succeeded in ethnically cleansing from their homes to make way for the largely European Ashkenazim comprising the bulk of Israel's "Jews".
Show me where it says that in international law and then kindly show me where it says that israel are only allowed to kill the same number of attackers as it's own people killed as previously asked
@ArmorDinnerJacket The Israelis bomb a tightly packed, ghettoized civilian population armed with virtually nothing, save for a few who manage to appropriate a few small arms, with Hellfire missiles and various other noxious ordnance from the air, and you have the audacity to call the Palestinian resistance "cowards"? If you want to see cowards, take a moment to review the brigade of IDF bozos who went into Lebanon in '06 and got their asses kicked by a rag tag group of camel riding Hizballah.
so, what you are effectively saying is that, even though the fakestinians continually attack israel and israeli civilians on an almost daily basis, have the destruction of israel and the genocide of it's population as part of its charter, israel is not allowed to fight back against these attacks??
@ArmorDinnerJacket Who's attacking whom? The Israelis are the occupiers. If they want the attacks to stop, they must withdraw. That's a basic principle of international law. Military occupation is not a protected right. All this genocide rhetoric is just that--empty rhetoric. There are all sorts of radicals spewing hate on all sides. I don't blame the Palestinians for wanting an end to the current Israeli regime, though that is far from calling for the "genocide of Jews".
@ArmorDinnerJacket According the U.N., every single territory currently under Israeli control that was not granted by the original U.N. charter. Israeli apologists can't speak out of both sides of their filthy mouths. Either U.N. has the relevant authority to declare your "disputed territories" to constitute an illegal acquisition or they cannot, in which case Israel has no "right" to exist, having been illegitimately "given" to the Jews against the will of indigenous Arabs
@djs259 "Indigenous Arabs" is a load of shit; Arabs cannot be indigenous to these areas because Arabs come from Arabia!!!
Ask any Berber, Copt, Nubian, Phoenician, Assyrian or Chaldean this; oh wait, you don't believe that these people are "indigenous" only ARabs, who are from Arabia really indigenous!!!
@SatchmoSings I PWNED that prick @djs259 beyond recognition but being a shameless TAPE-RECORDER that he is, he kept rewinding and playing the same old LEFTIST and ISLAMIST TUNES like an UNITERRUPTED ONE-WAY RADIO STATION!!
I'll counter with a question that is slightly more relevant to the discussion:
If the people Israel is occupying, dispossessing, and murdering with impunity happen to be opposing said dispossession, occupation, and murder-with-impunity, on the grounds that their religion forbids it and instructs them to fight against people who do such things, does the fact that they invoke religion make their dispossession, occupation, etc., any more justifiable?
@SatchmoSings If we adopt your line of idiotic reasoning, the only place that the chosen could ever justify occupying would perhaps be Africa, since all humans historically emerged from there anyhow, right?
Sorry, but it is illegitimate to expect the civilized nations of the world to redraw maps and cause massive upheaval among peoples everywhere just to satisfy the prejudices of crazed ideologues stuck in the VERY DISTANT past. And most "Jews" are not of Middle Eastern extraction at all! HA
@ArmorDinnerJacket The truth is that the Israelis won't withdraw to their original U.N. sanctioned borders, not because of a supposed "threat" (which Israel has manufactured through its brutal policies to begin with) from neighbors, but because they wish to expropriate the land and resources. If not, why build permanent Israeli settlements and a network of apartheid roads upon land which is not theirs and is causing perpetual war? The truth is that it is about Eretz Israel, not Jew-hate.
the un resolution that deals with judea and samaria quite clearly states that israel must ceasefire along "defensible lines" - there are no "UN sanctioned borders"
you continue to fail
aren't you in the least bit embarrassed about continually proving what an abject failure you are?
what are "apartheid roads"? LMAO!
is that like the roads to mecca and medina that only moslems are allowed on?
The truth is, as the lack of attacks against jordan shows, that it is islamic jew hate
@ArmorDinnerJacket Last time I checked, Saudi Arabia was not occupying anyone else's territory or building homes for there citizens thereon. Neither do the Saudis claim the exalted mantle of "benevolent, enlightened" democracy, as does your shitty little blood-soaked Israel, which is what makes all this posturing of rational government and international legitimacy so appalling and so hypocritical.
last time i checked, neither was israel, as i have already told you, the requirement was "defensible lines" and this wording was deliberately chosen by those who wrote the resolution
@ArmorDinnerJacket those who wrote the resolution, if I recall correctly, also make mention, in the same context as the resolution, of some pesky principle according to which it is inadmissible to "acquire territory by war".
@ArmorDinnerJacket It's in the resolution, look it up. It's right in the preamble.
Going back to my earlier point about the Palestinian's refusal to recognize a "right to exist" (putting aside the deceitful equivocation commonly at play here which fails to distinguish between citizens and their respective regimes), the Palestinians have recognized Israel in the same de facto way in which the U.S. recognized the Soviets during the 30's.
@ArmorDinnerJacket nice try. There is nothing in the resolution about "starting wars".
In any case, Israel started the war with the terrorist tactics through which it ethnically cleansed the indigenous Arab Christian, Muslim, and Druze populations to make way for the "poisecuted chosen pimples" of NY and Poland.
@ArmorDinnerJacket You are so full of shit. The preamble plainly states that "territories acquired through war cannot be held". The West Bank and the Golan heights were acquired through war. They cannot be legally held, much less settled by bloodthirsty Jewish fanatic chauvinist hordes from Brooklyn.
and as i have also pointed out, the requirement was for ceasing fire on "defensible lines" - not a withdrawal to pre 1967 lines - is this really so hard for you to understand?
i like your admission of bigotry in your last line
@ArmorDinnerJacket I know you wear a perpetual set of Zionist goggles, but try to think clearly for a moment. The "defensible lines" can only be understood inside the context of the intention of the resolution, spelled out explicitly in the preamble, to call on Israel to give up the territories it seized during the hostilities. Hence the U.N.'s clear articulation of the principle that "territories acquired through war cannot be held". This includes all the pre-1967 territories, nothing less.
"Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force."
I believe that answers several of your alleged points and questions - the belligerency and threats are eternally emanating from the moslems
the difficulty being the 1967 lines are not secure
@ArmorDinnerJacket Hold on---which member nation has attacked Israel since 1967?
The only one I can think of is Iraq, and that's was merely in retaliation to attack from it's Zionist superpower benefactor, the U.S., and for Israel's refusal to abide by the U.N.'s resolution to withdraw from southern Lebanon.
Whereas Israel has been attacking and threatening its neighbors (not to speak of the hapless Palestinians whose lands and water its been stealing) for decades.
@djs259 Your comment: "Whereas Israel has been attacking and threatening its neighbors (not to speak of the hapless Palestinians whose lands and water its been stealing) for decades"
If you would have read something called HISTORY, you would realize that the so-called "Palestinians" are the ORIGINAL INVADERS who STOLE the JEWISH LAND?! Unlike the toothless NATIVE AMERICANS and ZOROASTERIANS, the JEWS had something called BALLS to FIGHT and "SNATCH" (yes, SNATCH and NOT STEAL) BACK their LAND!!!
@rationalindian10 So you think that the Native Americans who once lived on Long Island should be morally emboldened (following the irredentist logic of Zionism), to raze my extravagant 6 bedroom luxury home and erect upon the charred ruins a warren of rustic native tee pees in its stead?
@ArmorDinnerJacket Israel has deliberately perpetuated the belligerency in order to facilitate shoring up its colonialist assets in the occupied territories.
If this were not true, then Israel would never be building settlement complexes and offering "victims of poisecution" from Brooklyn box loads of cash to pack it up and live on stolen land in the West Bank, which fact is the very source of the so called "belligerency" Israel cites as grounds for continuing it's belligerent occupation.
oh right - israel has deliberately perpetuated the belligerency - the continuous rocket and mortar attacks, suicide bombings, refusal to negotiate, refusal to recognize the right of israel to exist, the continuing jew hatred, the lies are all israel's doing
LMFAO! what a complete twat you are
can you tell me why jordan is never attacked, even though it occupies 75% of palestine and killed more "palestinians" in black september than israel have in over 20 years?
@ArmorDinnerJacket Here we go again with your litany of refuted arguments.
1) Israel is has seized during war and is illegally occupying territory not granted to it by the U.N., and has been admonished by the U.N. per resolution 242 that it cannot lawfully retain these lands. Israel is maintaining a brutal and illegal occupation.
2) Under international law, the Palestinians have a right to resist this occupation by force.
3) The Palestinians are not obligated under international law to
@djs259 Your comment: "Israel is has seized during war and is illegally occupying territory not granted to it by the U.N., and has been admonished by the U.N. per resolution 242 that it cannot lawfully retain these lands."!!!!
UN?!!! Hahahahahahahaha!! There is NO BIGGER JOKE on this planet than something called the UN!!! Who takes them seriously? NOT A SINGLE SOUL!! NOT EVEN its own 5 PERMANENT MEMBERS of SECURITY COUNCIL who periodically URINATE, DEFECATE and MASTURBATE on UN!!
and the fakestinians haven't ceased their belligerency, yet israel has established secure and defensible borders
therefore this is not an occupation by force, it was a counter attack and despite anything the un might or might not say, they are not required to withdraw from the land won from an aggressor
And who cares what you think they should or should not be forced to do.
They can keep the territories if they wish. They would do well to keep in mind however that the 5 Billion per/year U.S. aid gravy train WILL run dry and the Palestinians will continue to explode themselves and shoot off their pop rockets until God finally comes and sends us all to hell.
@djs259 "So you think that Native Americans who once lived on Long Island should be morally emboldened...to raze my extravagant 6 bedroom luxury home & erect upon the charred ruins a warren of rustic native tee pees in its stead?"
1. That is for the NATIVE AMERICANS to DECIDE (they anyway DONT have the BALLS/BRAINS/RESOURCES to do it) and NOT ME!
2. I would NEVER BLAME them if they ACTUALLY DO IT!
Afterall, U should be ready to TASTE the SAME MEDICINE ("MIGHT IS RIGHT") that U gave them!!!
that's because "palestinians" didn't exist in 1967 - as zahir muhsein clealy stated - "palestinian" is a construct to continue attacks against israel
and the billions a year to moslem countries will therefore run dry at the same time, at which point, i would say the technological sophistication of israel will easily overcome the 7th century tribal mentality of the fakestinians.
@ArmorDinnerJacket Israeli technological sophistication was a gift from the West.
The the Muslim world the west gave the gift of bankrolling petty tyrant that did its bidding and played ball with Israel while keeping the oil flowing and its angry population nice and oppressed. So get your facts straight you deluded pathological liar.
@djs259 Your comment to @ArmorDinnerJacket: "Israeli technological sophistication was a gift from the West."!!!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! The West would NEVER have had the NUCLEAR TECHNOLOGIES if not for the very same JEWS!!! Does the name Robert Oppenheimer ring bells??!!
you have evidence for israeli technological sophistication being a gift from the west?
the west pours billions into many moslem countries, yet for some reason, they are incapable of developing anything approaching the israeli level of sophistication.
even india was able to develop it's own atomic bomb, while pakistanis, despite being of the same ethnicity, were unable to achieve this and had to buy their technology from china!
@ArmorDinnerJacket Israel has only given money to Arab countries like Egypt, to support petty tyrants who played ball with Israel and kept their people in check. I've addressed this, but just keep repeating the same refuted shit over and over again--you're not even beginning to tire me out.
@djs259 Correction: The US has only given money to Arab countries like Egypt, to support petty tyrants who played ball with Israel and kept their people in check. I've addressed this, but just keep repeating the same refuted shit over and over again--you're not even beginning to tire me out.
@SatchmoSings The NEW Islamist government is a product of the wave of radicalization which Muslims in the region have experienced in response to Western meddling and blind support of blood-soaked scofflaw nation of Israel. After pumping billions of dollars into Egypt to prop up a hostile Zionist lackey like Mubarak, I'm not exactly shocked to see that Muslims in Egypt want blood. Frankly, it's quite understandable. Again, MUBARAK was a TYRANT that the US funded BECAUSE he DEALT with ISRAEL
@djs259 Again, you have a comprehension problem because it blows your non-existent argument out of the water.
You make all these claims about US largesse to the former Mubarak government but you still can't answer how the new, more supposedly populist Islamic government of Egypt still wants the US to send it the annual billions.
@ArmorDinnerJacket More ad hominem bullshit and slander. I have already made short work of your "moral hypocrisy" charge, besides reducing your silly claim about "refusing to accept Israel's right to exist" as a justification for occupying the West Bank under the terms of U.N. Res. 242. So what do you have left? Bullshit one-upmanship and immature ad hominem epithets like "fakestinian".
@ArmorDinnerJacket Yes you did. Either you or that Satcho asshole you were commiserating with before. Though I am tempted to think you're much more the asshole in view of the fact that he has a dog in this fight, being Jewish, while you're just a brainwashed shabbos Goy prick parroting your master's requisite propaganda line.
show me where the usa stated that the ussr did not have the right to exist
what are "apartheid roads"?
can you tell me why jordan is never attacked, even though it occupies 75% of palestine and killed more "palestinians" in black september than israel have in over? 20 years?
evidence for the alleged occupation being brutal
where i used the refusal to accept israel's right to exist as a justification for occupation
@ArmorDinnerJacket I asked this shit-fuck, @djs259 about his "Jews-Only" roads in The West Bank and I pointed out to him that Arabs who are Israeli citizens can and do drive on these roads all the time.
I told him that his recitation of this lie proves his hatred of Jewish people and he got angry about this so I asked him to explain why my feelings about him are so wrong this way and I've asked this about FIVE TIMES and he still hasn't answered.
that is the list of your unsubstantiated claims, that i can find
go on, make a start at putting your money where your mouth is - or are you just all talk and no substance, like most delusional supporters of the palestinian barbarism?
@ArmorDinnerJacket You're so full of shit. What you've produced is essentially a catalog of the all the nonsense arguments from your side which I have spent quite a bit of time amply rebutting. Rebuttals, incidentally, which you artlessly attempted to put to rest with lots of hand-waving and obfuscation, before resuming your idiotic rehearsal of the same jaded crap. All of which forces the conclusion that you are either illiterate or a fool, though I suspect it may very well be both. Buh-bye.
@djs259 You've still no answered me regarding your lying accusation about certain West Bank roads being "Jews Only" when, in fact, Arabs who are citizens of Israel freely drive on these roads all the time.
I called you a liar and a Jew-hater over this canard and you got all huffy; you've yet to give me the explanation as to why my feelings about you are all wrong this way; this is like the FIFTH TIME I've asked you about this.
@ArmorDinnerJacket Resisting occupation cannot be considered " a state belligerancy" under international law. Besides, the Palestinians don't have a state, so their so called "belligerancy" could not be cited as grounds for perpetuating IDF control of the 1967 territories.
any attack is considered belligerency - state or no state - those doing the attack wish to have their own state recognised, yet refuse to recognise the state of israel - hmm - how strange LOL!
have you shown where the links are wrong yet?
have you shown where it says israel can only kill as many attackers as attackers kill israelis?
any attack is belligerency - state or no state - those doing the attack wish to have their own state recognised, yet refuse to recognise the state of israel - hmm - how strange LOL!
have you shown where the links are wrong yet?
have you shown where it says israel can only kill as many attackers as attackers kill israelis?
@ArmorDinnerJacket to recognize "an absolute right to exist" of the Zionist regime as a condition of the withdrawal of occupying forces and cessation of military strictures.
(we already dealt with this so your memory is very short)
If Israel doesn't like being pelted with pop rockets, then it can easily desist from it's occupation, which in itself is a form of state violence, and which preceded the pop rockets and suicide bombings by many decades.
i would hazard a guess that you are just too stupid to understand: "and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State"
@ArmorDinnerJacket Palestine is not a recognized state, thanks to your Zionist puppet U.S. president Obama. So I guess on your logic that it isn't required to make all the exalted acknowledgments you cite as a condition of not being brutally occupied by land grabbing Jewish fanatics.
@djs259 Your comment: "Resisting occupation cannot be considered " a state belligerancy" under international law."!!!
1. The ORIGINAL OCCUPIERS of the "JEWISH LAND" are the ARABS!!!
2. INTERNATIONAL LAW is a COLOSSAL JOKE which has been repeatedly FLUSHED DOWN THE COMMODE by the whole INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY including the 5 PERMANENT PERMANENT MEMBERS (US, Russia, UK, China and France) of the UNITED NATIONS!!!
Your talking about JUSTICE is the same as a WHORE lecturing on CHASTITY!!
@rationalindian10 I would just like to remind you that the five biggest arms-dealing nations on this earth are the five permanent members of the UN Security Council, followed by, of course, Germany and Japan.
@rationalindian10 Correction you dick: there is no such thing as a "Palestinian state". That's because Jewish extremists have exercised their considerable influence to make sure there is never any land left upon which Palestinians can build a functioning state with discrete borders. That's because the political agenda in Israel is set by a bunch of inbred fanatical border-line retards and psychopaths who think that God gave them the real estate title to formerly Arab lands.
@djs259 Your comment: "That's because the political agenda in Israel is set by a bunch of inbred fanatical border-line retards and psychopaths who think that God gave them the real estate title to formerly Arab lands."!!!
The "FORMERLY ARAB LANDS" were even more "FORMERLY JEWISH LANDS"!! Just lemme know where does your "SELECTIVE HISTORY" stop??!! 2000 BC?? 1 AD?? 700 AD?? 1917 AD?? 1948 AD?? or 2012 AD?!!
@djs259 Your comment: "Here's another moron trotting out the witheringly refuted canard about "not accepting Israel's right to exist"."!!!
What are these then, ISLAMONAZI circumcised DICKhead?
1. "'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (HAMAS PREAMBLE)!
2. "Complete liberation of Palestine, and eradication of Zionist economic, political, military and cultural existence." (Article-12 of FATAH CONSTITUTION)!
how strange that the land was jordanian from 1948 when jordan invaded until 1967 - again, why were there no attacks against jordan - it can't be that irrational jew hatred agin, now can it?
strange that egypt and jordan never allowed self government when they occupied the "palestinian" territories........
@djs259 If Israel doesn't like being pelted with pop rockets, it can act towards Gaza and Hamas in such a way that all such attacks forever cease and hopefully, this time, there will be no Col. Kemp talking about Israeli restraint in this matter.
@ArmorDinnerJacket The Palestinians who are negotiating with Israel in an attempt to redress grievances and reach a settlement are through this very act "recognizing" the Israeli regime.
@ArmorDinnerJacket They have a right to demand the destruction of the Israeli REGIME, as it has oppressed, killed, occupied, and ethnically cleansed it's people for over half a century.
Show me where HAMAS calls for the death of ALL JEWS or for the "crime" of BEING JEWS. Until then, you can just as well shut that lying mental diarrhea spewing spigot of a mouth, you moron.
@djs259 It is quite admisable to acquire land by war; last I heard German Danzig and Breslau are now POLISH Gdansk and Wroclaw; why is this okay for Poland but not Israel?
The only conclusion I have this way is that you're lying, AGAIN and your motivation for this is to fuck over Jewish people.
@SatchmoSings If I were alive when it occurred I would have opposed it. But I wasn't. The argument you're making is fallacious to the core, in that it consists at bottom of nothing more than a simple ad hominem charge. If it is pointed out that a critic has shown selectivity, bias, or even hypocrisy in making his criticism, this does not begin to address the criticisms themselves, much less refute them.
@djs259 The argument that I/m making is hardly fallacious because, after all, the Allied nations WERE "The United Nations" and the peace treaties and border resolutions were made not long before Israel came about.
Germany resettled 15.5 million refugees but somehow the Arab world couldn't resettle a few hundred thousand Arabs; it's all a double-standard and you've just given an answer that is one very big cop out.
@SatchmoSings Your argument basically amounts to this:
"Other nations in the past engaged in ethnic cleansing [you employ the Orwellian "resettle"], so it is legitimate for Israel to do it too"
I don't need to tell you how stupid that part is.
The rest is just a charge of hypocrisy, which is just an ad hominem. It doesn't address the issue, but the person discussing the issue. Pretty straightforward stuff I think.
@djs259 Your comment: "In any case, my personal allegiance is hardly relevant to the rightness or wrongness of Israel's brutality and quasi-fascist policies."!!!
Who decides WHAT IS RIGHT and WHAT IS WRONG and based on WHAT??!! YOU, ME, UN, ISRAEL, PALESTINE....??!! WHO baby WHO??
And WHAT gives them (whoever is the MORAL GATEKEEPER) that RIGHT to be WORLD POLICEMEN to decide what is RIGHT and what is WRONG and again "BASED" on "WHAT"??!!
@rationalindian10 Based on the principle of international legitimacy upon which Israel has hanged it's existential hat in 1948, which is supposed to embody the aspirations and values of decency, good will, and moral common sense, of the world's assorted nations and peoples.
@djs259 Your comment: "Based on the principle of international legitimacy upon which Israel has hanged it's existential hat in 1948, which is supposed to embody the aspirations and values of decency, good will, and moral common sense, of the world's assorted nations and peoples"
LOL! First and foremost, ask your 5 PERMANENT MEMBERS of the UN SECURITY COUNCIL to "FOLLOW THEM" and then give your SERMON to others!!! If you CANNOT "practise what you preach", ATLEAST "preach what you practise"!!
@djs259 Your comment: "If Israel the people Israel is occupying, dispossessing, and murdering with impunity...does the fact that they invoke religion make their dispossession, occupation any more justifiable?"!!!!
You are an UNGRATEFUL PIG who doesn't even want to be THANKFUL to Israel for booking FREE ONE-WAY-TICKETS to CELESTIAL BROTHEL of the most merciful PIMP Allah for his "I love DEATH more than INFIDELS love LIFE" Allahu-Akbar Palestinian VIRGIN-SEEKERS!!!
@rationalindian10 Islam isn't the only religion which glorifies death and the so-called future life of the soul, so chill out.
In any event, I'm sure their celestial brothel is quite a bit more agreeable than the racket some Israelis have currently got going with the kidnapped Eastern European girls it routinely pimps out to perverts around the world. Very seldom discussed subject, but if you research it, you'll see that Israel is an epicenter of international gangsterism, besides other things
@djs259 Your comment: "In any event, I'm sure their celestial brothel is quite a bit more agreeable than the racket some Israelis have currently got going with the kidnapped Eastern European girls it routinely pimps out to perverts around the world."!!
Does "ARAB SLAVE TRADE" (where TOOTHLESS OLD-AGE ARABS are deflowering KINDERGARTEN CHILDREN as per the PISSlamic style called "MUT'AH" aka "PAID ONE-NIGHT TEMPORARY MARRIAGE" aka "PROSTITUTION") ring bells in your "SELECTIVE AMNESIA" EARS??!!
You made the claim that the roads in The West Bank are for "Jews Only" and I then told you that Arabs, who are Israeli citizens, can also freely drive on those roads.
I then proceeded to tell you what a lie this was and that you were a Jew-hater for making such an outrageous claim.
You got all huffy so I then asked you how else should I consider you for making such a blatant lie and you've yet to answer this.
@SatchmoSings Moral responsibility can only be exercised by people in relation to things in which they somehow are able to meaningfully participate. Discussions of past atrocities and grievances are therefore purely academic in the context of any discussion relating to current moral obligations and responsibilities in connection with the conflict unfolding at present.
Google "genetic fallacy" and "ad hominem" to learn just how worthless the principal arguments you have put forth have been.
@djs259 Here you go again telling the lie, all motivated by your hatred of Jews, that the roads in The West Bank are "Jews Only."
You say this lie because you insist on the demonization of Jewish people; you'll never win an argument with any fair-minded person that will immediately see your lie and understand your motivation for reiterating it.
@SatchmoSings I never said all roads in the West Bank are "Jews only", but the ones connecting the insidious network of illegal Jewish colonialist settlements interspersed within the Palestinian occupied territories are, at least, de facto Jews only. Unless by "not Jews only" you mean that the people who are non-Jewish citizens of the occupying nation can cross, sorry, but that doesn't mean much to the occupied inhabitants who actually reside there and are restricted from travelling by the IDF
how much do they pay to to spout this horrendous filth and upvote your videos?
Jijichamploo 4 minutes ago
U fucking zionist piece of shit , u fucking old faggot
Jijichamploo 6 minutes ago
You are by far the worst human ?? On earth. Guys this person he does not live on this planet he wants you to believe that Israeli are the nicest people on earth like him. They have been the cause of all troubles for the last hundred years here I mean Jews . Zionist .
rajorey 2 hours ago
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so ur only hope to feel special is to wait for an idiot to make u feel good lol haha great accomplishment
crook4real 14 hours ago
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Pat : another jews littel bitCh lol,,,bastards down their pants to zionists
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ur wife is shaggin a pakistani a black man right now lmaooo
crook4real 15 hours ago
@crook4real congratulations, you are the fool we are waiting for.
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Pat : useful idiot for israel...terrorist stae by execellence,,free Palestine
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Pat you make it look so simple to understand? but the question is, have the Muslims always hated Jews? I don't think they hate Jews because they have co-existed for thousands of years in peace, I think they hate the Israeli policy harvesting of Palestinian lives and land since 1948, and to be honest pointing fingers at others while you have three pointing back at you? that's stupid.
I think your point of view is coming from a man that watches to much Tv.
smokesceen124 21 hours ago
@smokesceen
Yes, muslims have always hated Jews - it is written in the Qur'an many times.
Neither have they coexisted for "thousands of years in peace" - the 36 pogroms between 1840 and 1926 alone put the lie to this propagandist claim - as do the incidents of slaughter in al-Andalus, modern Spain, where in one incident alone, 5000 Jews were said to have been put to the sword.
The beheading of between 600 and 900 of the Qurayza tribe, some by Mad Mo himself, show the early start
MrReconquista 17 hours ago 4
@smokesceen124
"harvesting of Palestinian lives and land" - well, there's a neutral, well researched and reasoned statement.......!!
Of course you have the evidence that Israel "harvests" Palestinian lives, don't you?
As for the land, Judea and Samaria constitute land taken in a war started by Jordan, Syria and Egypt. I would suggest that "harvesting" is not in the slightest applicable and is really just part of your propagandist demonization of Israel.
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God loves Muslims
& Let Hitler to GASS the evil jews...Chosens ?¿ LOL
AntiShitMitiC 1 day ago
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@AntiShitMitiC
that must be why he made all those islamic countries into such advanced and civilized nations, leading the world in peace, tolerance, human rights, creativity, productivity, equality and education...
oh, wait..........
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Pat : useful idiot for israel lol
kengguere 1 day ago
Palestine was around before WW2 and Wall of Truth is a complete NUTTER. That being said, Pat Condell you rule! :)
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This jew is funny
ssgsej 1 day ago
Muslims are the cancer of the world.
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@djs259, I have two questions for you that I know you will refuse to answer.
Israel has FIVE facilities from "Intel" where Israeli engineers invented the Centrino CPU yet 440,000,000 Arabs in 22 countries have no such facility, let alone sewing factories to even make doll clothes.
Israeli agricultural products fill the shelves of Europe but 22 Arab countries with 444,000,000 people, combined, do not have the same export power.
Could you explain this to me?
SatchmoSings 2 days ago
@SatchmoSings thanks for your reply. I just get tired of these crazy idiots with their tape loops. You ask them to substantiate a claim and then they say something else on top of it like a whinging 5 year old child. They are toxic scum. They have no basis for ANYTHING that pops out of their mouths and they don't know history at all. It gets futile arguing with them but I must admit I do like shutting them down.
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@GirlonFilm1969 It is frightfully rare that Israel is ever criticized from the point-of-view of "RealPolitik" and on those frightfully rare occasions when it does happen, that critic does get my whole and undivided attention.
You are correct of course; 99.99% of the negative criticism hurled at Israel is all demonization and ultimately that critic also really does mean Jews.
@djs259 is a superb example of this.
SatchmoSings 1 day ago 3
You might be the last human being with some common sense. Great video, keep spreading the truth.
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@ArmorDinnerJacket
and "palestine didn't exist until after the fact"? neither did the usa. it used to be called virginia until sufficient indigenous people were cheated and killed.
so does that mean the usa doesn't exist?
obvious faggot is faggot.
MustafaBiggun 2 days ago
@MustafaBiggun
i didn't say that "palestine didn't exist until after the fact", soi i don't know why you are using quotation marks
as stated by zahir muhsein, "palestine" is a construct to give the moslems more excuses to slaughter jews
but, given your tendency to ad hominem, you are obviously not capable of understanding simple statements
it could be due to brain damage from banging your head on the floor so much
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago 4
@MustafaBiggun During the time of The Mandate, the Jews created a complete "shadow government" that was able to step in once Israel was declared a country; the Arabs never did any such thing.
SatchmoSings 2 days ago 5
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@SatchmoSings ,,,bullshit,,its Palestine,,israel should never exist acording to torah
AntiShitMitiC 2 days ago
@AntiShitMitiC That Israel shouldn't exist as per Jewish religious law is perhaps the only intellectually honest thing you'll say in this entire matter and I do mean ONLY.
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@AntiShitMitiC Your comment to @SatchmoSings: ",,,bullshit,,its Palestine,,israel should never exist acording to torah"!!!
According to the Torah, Muhammad is a FALSE PROPHET and his religion of PISS also needs to be crushed for ETERNITY!! When will you start this DIVINE RITUAL (of burying PISSlam back into the CAVE HIRA)?!!
rationalindian10 1 day ago 3
@SatchmoSings Yes, this "shadow shadow government" consisted primarily of the ranks of Jewish terrorist groups such as the Irgun and the Stern gang, which later went into forming the precursor to today's criminal IDF forces, the Hagganah.
djs259 2 days ago
@djs259 I want to thank you for your continued lies and demonization of Zionism, Israel and Jews in general; the whole issue of "Realpolitik" totally escapes you
You are living proof that The Holocaust has never ended only now, we Jews have our own country complete with at least 125 nukes, many of them on cruise missiles on submarines, all ready and waiting.
It is because most people who criticize Israel are just like you, this gives Israel every impetus to justify everything it does.
SatchmoSings 2 days ago 2
@SatchmoSings
well said
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago
@ArmorDinnerJacket Thank you.
SatchmoSings 2 days ago
@ArmorDinnerJacket You will notice that any criticism of Israel from a totally "realpolitik" point-of-view is generally non-existent; 99.9% of criticism of Israel (and also Jewish people) merely consist of demonization.
In fact, on the frightfully rare occasion that a "realpolitik" criticism of Israel DOES appear, the person making it has my complete and devoted attention.
@djs259
SatchmoSings 2 days ago
@SatchmoSings Perhaps this is because many critics of Israel refuse to to lend the intellectual legitimacy that a "realpolitik" critique would necessarily imply, and moreover refuse to concede that the whole shitty Zionist project is in any real way an irreversible "fait accompli".
You and the rest of your Jewish extremist fanatic buddies should realize that Zionism can and will eventually be destroyed. And it isn't only Jew haters who want this. It's many Jews themselves.
djs259 2 days ago
@djs259 Ah, so now you admit that Israel is "the whole shitty Zionist project."
A minimum of 125 nukes, many of them on cruise missiles on submarines makes Israel a "fait accompli."
Another perhaps more tangible "fait accompli" involving Israel is that Israel has FIVE facilities from "Intel," one of which is where the Intel Centrino CPU was invented but 440,000,000 Arabs in 22 countries can't even attract a factory to sew DOLL CLOTHES!!!
What a good joke!!!
@ArmorDinngerJacket
SatchmoSings 2 days ago 2
@SatchmoSings
it's quite amazing the amount of hysteria and hyperbole employed by israel's opponents, yet the complete refusal to back up these fantastical claims with any evidence is a stunning indictment of the mental incapacity of those same people
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago
@ArmorDinnerJacket This coming from someone who has made the preposterous claim that the 'holocaust against Jews continues today", that "Israel is not occupying anyone", and that the heavily pro-Israel media which diligently maintains the current state of ignorance on the part of the looted American public of Israel's violent historical campaign of ethnic cleansing is "against Israel".
If it weren't costing so many innocent deluded people their lives it would be timelessly comedic.
djs259 2 days ago
@djs259
who made the claim that "the holocaust continues today" - certainly not me
you are evidently a deluded fuckwitted son of a pig who has spent too long banging his head against the floor
your continuous lies make me sincerely hope that your death is long, slow and excruciatingly painful
have you found out where it says israel are only allowed to kill the same number of attackers as its attackers kill?
do you have the facts that show the links to be wrong yet?
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago 2
@ArmorDinnerJacket Then that's the way you must answer any of these "demonization" critics of Israel; there is nothing to refute because they just end up repeating it all over again.
They are so blinded by their hatred of Jews they cannot see that this endless demonization of Jews and Israel is precisely what motivates Israel to keep doing and more importantly, being what it is.
@djs259
SatchmoSings 2 days ago 2
@SatchmoSings
the mind of the moslem really does appear to be quite lacking in the benefits of evolution in rational thought that the rest of civilization has embraced
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@ArmorDinnerJacket
nice try. obvious troll is obvious.
so, you're an arab who believes the israelis have a legitimate claim to all of 'israhell'?
and all you want to do is wipe them off the face of the earth? ahmedinejad didn't ever say that btw.
faggot troll is obvious troll
x mwah
MustafaBiggun 2 days ago
@MustafaBiggun
i didn't say ahmedinejad did say that - the rest of your comment doesn't even make sense
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago 2
I agree with him for most part, but he speaks as if Israel cares about human life (other than Israelis). I see both Israelis and Palestinians equally violent. neither is better.
sconet5 3 days ago
@sconet5
yeah - equally violent, right..
israel launch rocket and mortar attacks at gaza everyday, don't they...
oh, wait - that's only the fakestinians firing rockets everyday......
ArmorDinnerJacket 3 days ago 3
@ArmorDinnerJacket You may make use of incendiary epithets like "fakestinians" if you wish, but common sense and logic seem to dictate pretty clearly that an Arab whose family has a history in either Israel proper or the occupied territories going back generations has a greater moral claim to the disputed land than Jews from Brooklyn and Eastern Europe whose ancestors likely never stepped foot in Palestine.
djs259 3 days ago
@djs259
given that over a million jews in israel are ethnic middle eastern jews, (the majority of whom were expelled from surrounding countries, unlike the arabs who fled) then they clearly have a right to be there
the arab homeland is "arabia" - hence the name
simple
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago 5
@ArmorDinnerJacket Moreover, the Palestinian pop rockets have caused a mere 28 documented casualties from 2001-2009. Contrast that number with the more than 1200 casualties (mostly civilian) which resulted from Israel's infamous Gaza raid alone.
So you're clearly an idiot for characterizing the disparity between the level of violence inflicted between the two sides as favoring Israel. Israel's use of force has been massively disproportionate. The lopsided death toll clearly bears this out.
djs259 3 days ago
@djs259
where does it say that israel is only allowed to retaliate with the same force?
the figures show that up to 700+ casualties were "fakestinian" fighters - cowards who dress in civilian clothes, use civilians as human shields and ambulances as troop transport
you are an idiot for suggesting that anyone is only allowed to fight back with the same level of violence - the idea of retaliating against your attacker is to win - with this in mind israel are foolish not to carpet bomb
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago 6
@ArmorDinnerJacket Israel has no right to retaliate, PERIOD. It is an occupying power, and is therefore obligated to withdraw its armies. Save for that, it has absolutely no moral justification (much less a legal one) for the horrific death and mayhem it is inflicting on the Palestinian REFUGEES which aggressive Zionists nationalists have succeeded in ethnically cleansing from their homes to make way for the largely European Ashkenazim comprising the bulk of Israel's "Jews".
djs259 2 days ago
@djs259
Show me where it says that in international law and then kindly show me where it says that israel are only allowed to kill the same number of attackers as it's own people killed as previously asked
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago
@ArmorDinnerJacket The Israelis bomb a tightly packed, ghettoized civilian population armed with virtually nothing, save for a few who manage to appropriate a few small arms, with Hellfire missiles and various other noxious ordnance from the air, and you have the audacity to call the Palestinian resistance "cowards"? If you want to see cowards, take a moment to review the brigade of IDF bozos who went into Lebanon in '06 and got their asses kicked by a rag tag group of camel riding Hizballah.
djs259 2 days ago
@djs259
so, what you are effectively saying is that, even though the fakestinians continually attack israel and israeli civilians on an almost daily basis, have the destruction of israel and the genocide of it's population as part of its charter, israel is not allowed to fight back against these attacks??
LMFAO!!! you truly are an idiot!!
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago
@ArmorDinnerJacket Who's attacking whom? The Israelis are the occupiers. If they want the attacks to stop, they must withdraw. That's a basic principle of international law. Military occupation is not a protected right. All this genocide rhetoric is just that--empty rhetoric. There are all sorts of radicals spewing hate on all sides. I don't blame the Palestinians for wanting an end to the current Israeli regime, though that is far from calling for the "genocide of Jews".
djs259 2 days ago
@djs259
i repeat, what is being occupied?
you keep making claims without substantiation - as usual for idiots, i suppose
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago
@ArmorDinnerJacket According the U.N., every single territory currently under Israeli control that was not granted by the original U.N. charter. Israeli apologists can't speak out of both sides of their filthy mouths. Either U.N. has the relevant authority to declare your "disputed territories" to constitute an illegal acquisition or they cannot, in which case Israel has no "right" to exist, having been illegitimately "given" to the Jews against the will of indigenous Arabs
djs259 2 days ago
@djs259 "Indigenous Arabs" is a load of shit; Arabs cannot be indigenous to these areas because Arabs come from Arabia!!!
Ask any Berber, Copt, Nubian, Phoenician, Assyrian or Chaldean this; oh wait, you don't believe that these people are "indigenous" only ARabs, who are from Arabia really indigenous!!!
You make a sick joke!!
SatchmoSings 2 days ago
@SatchmoSings I PWNED that prick @djs259 beyond recognition but being a shameless TAPE-RECORDER that he is, he kept rewinding and playing the same old LEFTIST and ISLAMIST TUNES like an UNITERRUPTED ONE-WAY RADIO STATION!!
rationalindian10 2 days ago
@rationalindian10 You owned nothing , you are simply too obtuse to understand the arguments.
djs259 2 days ago
@djs259 Lemme ask you a simple question and answer it in a simple "YES" or "NO"? Is Islam a religion of PEACE?
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djs259 2 days ago
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@rationalindian10 An irrelevant question.
I'll counter with a question that is slightly more relevant to the discussion:
If the people Israel is occupying, dispossessing, and murdering with impunity happen to be opposing said dispossession, occupation, and murder-with-impunity, on the grounds that their religion forbids it and instructs them to fight against people who do such things, does the fact that they invoke religion make their dispossession, occupation, etc., any more justifiable?
djs259 2 days ago
@SatchmoSings If we adopt your line of idiotic reasoning, the only place that the chosen could ever justify occupying would perhaps be Africa, since all humans historically emerged from there anyhow, right?
Sorry, but it is illegitimate to expect the civilized nations of the world to redraw maps and cause massive upheaval among peoples everywhere just to satisfy the prejudices of crazed ideologues stuck in the VERY DISTANT past. And most "Jews" are not of Middle Eastern extraction at all! HA
djs259 2 days ago
@ArmorDinnerJacket by an foreign, illegitimate power.
djs259 2 days ago
@ArmorDinnerJacket The truth is that the Israelis won't withdraw to their original U.N. sanctioned borders, not because of a supposed "threat" (which Israel has manufactured through its brutal policies to begin with) from neighbors, but because they wish to expropriate the land and resources. If not, why build permanent Israeli settlements and a network of apartheid roads upon land which is not theirs and is causing perpetual war? The truth is that it is about Eretz Israel, not Jew-hate.
djs259 2 days ago
@djs25
the un resolution that deals with judea and samaria quite clearly states that israel must ceasefire along "defensible lines" - there are no "UN sanctioned borders"
you continue to fail
aren't you in the least bit embarrassed about continually proving what an abject failure you are?
what are "apartheid roads"? LMAO!
is that like the roads to mecca and medina that only moslems are allowed on?
The truth is, as the lack of attacks against jordan shows, that it is islamic jew hate
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago
@ArmorDinnerJacket Last time I checked, Saudi Arabia was not occupying anyone else's territory or building homes for there citizens thereon. Neither do the Saudis claim the exalted mantle of "benevolent, enlightened" democracy, as does your shitty little blood-soaked Israel, which is what makes all this posturing of rational government and international legitimacy so appalling and so hypocritical.
djs259 2 days ago
@djs259
last time i checked, neither was israel, as i have already told you, the requirement was "defensible lines" and this wording was deliberately chosen by those who wrote the resolution
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago
@ArmorDinnerJacket those who wrote the resolution, if I recall correctly, also make mention, in the same context as the resolution, of some pesky principle according to which it is inadmissible to "acquire territory by war".
djs259 2 days ago
@djs259
as israel did not initiate the war, i think you will find that principal doesn't apply
however, i don't recall anything about that in the resolution
do you have any evidence yet?
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago
@ArmorDinnerJacket It's in the resolution, look it up. It's right in the preamble.
Going back to my earlier point about the Palestinian's refusal to recognize a "right to exist" (putting aside the deceitful equivocation commonly at play here which fails to distinguish between citizens and their respective regimes), the Palestinians have recognized Israel in the same de facto way in which the U.S. recognized the Soviets during the 30's.
djs259 2 days ago
@djs259
well, if it is - lucky that israel didn't initiate the war then - so it doesn't apply
i repeat, the hamas charter calls for the destruction of the state of israel
this nullifies another of your farcical, fraudulent and fantastical claims!
have you got any substantiation yet?
didn't think so
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago
@ArmorDinnerJacket nice try. There is nothing in the resolution about "starting wars".
In any case, Israel started the war with the terrorist tactics through which it ethnically cleansed the indigenous Arab Christian, Muslim, and Druze populations to make way for the "poisecuted chosen pimples" of NY and Poland.
djs259 2 days ago
@djs259
that's funny - you were the one who claimed there was something in the resolution about starting wars - "in the preamble" you said
what a cunt you are
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago
@ArmorDinnerJacket You are so full of shit. The preamble plainly states that "territories acquired through war cannot be held". The West Bank and the Golan heights were acquired through war. They cannot be legally held, much less settled by bloodthirsty Jewish fanatic chauvinist hordes from Brooklyn.
djs259 2 days ago
@djs259
and as i have also pointed out, the requirement was for ceasing fire on "defensible lines" - not a withdrawal to pre 1967 lines - is this really so hard for you to understand?
i like your admission of bigotry in your last line
have you got the evidence for your claims yet?
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago
@ArmorDinnerJacket I know you wear a perpetual set of Zionist goggles, but try to think clearly for a moment. The "defensible lines" can only be understood inside the context of the intention of the resolution, spelled out explicitly in the preamble, to call on Israel to give up the territories it seized during the hostilities. Hence the U.N.'s clear articulation of the principle that "territories acquired through war cannot be held". This includes all the pre-1967 territories, nothing less.
djs259 2 days ago
@djs
"Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force."
I believe that answers several of your alleged points and questions - the belligerency and threats are eternally emanating from the moslems
the difficulty being the 1967 lines are not secure
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago
@ArmorDinnerJacket Hold on---which member nation has attacked Israel since 1967?
The only one I can think of is Iraq, and that's was merely in retaliation to attack from it's Zionist superpower benefactor, the U.S., and for Israel's refusal to abide by the U.N.'s resolution to withdraw from southern Lebanon.
Whereas Israel has been attacking and threatening its neighbors (not to speak of the hapless Palestinians whose lands and water its been stealing) for decades.
djs259 2 days ago
@djs259 Your comment: "Whereas Israel has been attacking and threatening its neighbors (not to speak of the hapless Palestinians whose lands and water its been stealing) for decades"
If you would have read something called HISTORY, you would realize that the so-called "Palestinians" are the ORIGINAL INVADERS who STOLE the JEWISH LAND?! Unlike the toothless NATIVE AMERICANS and ZOROASTERIANS, the JEWS had something called BALLS to FIGHT and "SNATCH" (yes, SNATCH and NOT STEAL) BACK their LAND!!!
rationalindian10 2 days ago
@rationalindian10 So you think that the Native Americans who once lived on Long Island should be morally emboldened (following the irredentist logic of Zionism), to raze my extravagant 6 bedroom luxury home and erect upon the charred ruins a warren of rustic native tee pees in its stead?
djs259 2 days ago
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rationalindian10 2 days ago
@ArmorDinnerJacket Israel has deliberately perpetuated the belligerency in order to facilitate shoring up its colonialist assets in the occupied territories.
If this were not true, then Israel would never be building settlement complexes and offering "victims of poisecution" from Brooklyn box loads of cash to pack it up and live on stolen land in the West Bank, which fact is the very source of the so called "belligerency" Israel cites as grounds for continuing it's belligerent occupation.
djs259 2 days ago
@djs259
LMAO!
oh right - israel has deliberately perpetuated the belligerency - the continuous rocket and mortar attacks, suicide bombings, refusal to negotiate, refusal to recognize the right of israel to exist, the continuing jew hatred, the lies are all israel's doing
LMFAO! what a complete twat you are
can you tell me why jordan is never attacked, even though it occupies 75% of palestine and killed more "palestinians" in black september than israel have in over 20 years?
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago
@ArmorDinnerJacket Here we go again with your litany of refuted arguments.
1) Israel is has seized during war and is illegally occupying territory not granted to it by the U.N., and has been admonished by the U.N. per resolution 242 that it cannot lawfully retain these lands. Israel is maintaining a brutal and illegal occupation.
2) Under international law, the Palestinians have a right to resist this occupation by force.
3) The Palestinians are not obligated under international law to
djs259 2 days ago
@djs259 Your comment: "Israel is has seized during war and is illegally occupying territory not granted to it by the U.N., and has been admonished by the U.N. per resolution 242 that it cannot lawfully retain these lands."!!!!
UN?!!! Hahahahahahahaha!! There is NO BIGGER JOKE on this planet than something called the UN!!! Who takes them seriously? NOT A SINGLE SOUL!! NOT EVEN its own 5 PERMANENT MEMBERS of SECURITY COUNCIL who periodically URINATE, DEFECATE and MASTURBATE on UN!!
rationalindian10 2 days ago
@djs259
and the fakestinians haven't ceased their belligerency, yet israel has established secure and defensible borders
therefore this is not an occupation by force, it was a counter attack and despite anything the un might or might not say, they are not required to withdraw from the land won from an aggressor
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago
@ArmorDinnerJacket The Palestians did not attack Israel.
And who cares what you think they should or should not be forced to do.
They can keep the territories if they wish. They would do well to keep in mind however that the 5 Billion per/year U.S. aid gravy train WILL run dry and the Palestinians will continue to explode themselves and shoot off their pop rockets until God finally comes and sends us all to hell.
djs259 2 days ago
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@djs259 "So you think that Native Americans who once lived on Long Island should be morally emboldened...to raze my extravagant 6 bedroom luxury home & erect upon the charred ruins a warren of rustic native tee pees in its stead?"
1. That is for the NATIVE AMERICANS to DECIDE (they anyway DONT have the BALLS/BRAINS/RESOURCES to do it) and NOT ME!
2. I would NEVER BLAME them if they ACTUALLY DO IT!
Afterall, U should be ready to TASTE the SAME MEDICINE ("MIGHT IS RIGHT") that U gave them!!!
rationalindian10 2 days ago
@djs259
when didn't the "palestinians" attack israel?
1967?
that's because "palestinians" didn't exist in 1967 - as zahir muhsein clealy stated - "palestinian" is a construct to continue attacks against israel
and the billions a year to moslem countries will therefore run dry at the same time, at which point, i would say the technological sophistication of israel will easily overcome the 7th century tribal mentality of the fakestinians.
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago
@ArmorDinnerJacket Israeli technological sophistication was a gift from the West.
The the Muslim world the west gave the gift of bankrolling petty tyrant that did its bidding and played ball with Israel while keeping the oil flowing and its angry population nice and oppressed. So get your facts straight you deluded pathological liar.
djs259 2 days ago
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@djs259 Your comment to @ArmorDinnerJacket: "Israeli technological sophistication was a gift from the West."!!!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! The West would NEVER have had the NUCLEAR TECHNOLOGIES if not for the very same JEWS!!! Does the name Robert Oppenheimer ring bells??!!
rationalindian10 2 days ago
@djs259
you have evidence for israeli technological sophistication being a gift from the west?
the west pours billions into many moslem countries, yet for some reason, they are incapable of developing anything approaching the israeli level of sophistication.
even india was able to develop it's own atomic bomb, while pakistanis, despite being of the same ethnicity, were unable to achieve this and had to buy their technology from china!
LMAO! poor things!
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago
@ArmorDinnerJacket Israel has only given money to Arab countries like Egypt, to support petty tyrants who played ball with Israel and kept their people in check. I've addressed this, but just keep repeating the same refuted shit over and over again--you're not even beginning to tire me out.
djs259 2 days ago
@djs259
i never said israel gave money to anyone
i think you have a serious comprehension problem
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago
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@djs259 Correction: The US has only given money to Arab countries like Egypt, to support petty tyrants who played ball with Israel and kept their people in check. I've addressed this, but just keep repeating the same refuted shit over and over again--you're not even beginning to tire me out.
djs259 2 days ago
@djs259 Yes, and this is precisely why the NEW Islamist government of Egypt wants US largesse to continue!
Your logic is totally non-existent.
@ArmorDinnerJacket
@rationalindian10
SatchmoSings 2 days ago
@SatchmoSings The NEW Islamist government is a product of the wave of radicalization which Muslims in the region have experienced in response to Western meddling and blind support of blood-soaked scofflaw nation of Israel. After pumping billions of dollars into Egypt to prop up a hostile Zionist lackey like Mubarak, I'm not exactly shocked to see that Muslims in Egypt want blood. Frankly, it's quite understandable. Again, MUBARAK was a TYRANT that the US funded BECAUSE he DEALT with ISRAEL
djs259 2 days ago
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@djs259 Again, you have a comprehension problem because it blows your non-existent argument out of the water.
You make all these claims about US largesse to the former Mubarak government but you still can't answer how the new, more supposedly populist Islamic government of Egypt still wants the US to send it the annual billions.
SatchmoSings 1 day ago 2
@djs259
looks like rational indian seriously busted your lying ass on that one
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago
@ArmorDinnerJacket More ad hominem bullshit and slander. I have already made short work of your "moral hypocrisy" charge, besides reducing your silly claim about "refusing to accept Israel's right to exist" as a justification for occupying the West Bank under the terms of U.N. Res. 242. So what do you have left? Bullshit one-upmanship and immature ad hominem epithets like "fakestinian".
Get a life.
djs259 2 days ago
@djs259
i didn't use the refusal to accept israel's right to exist as a justification for occupation
try again
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago
@ArmorDinnerJacket Yes you did. Either you or that Satcho asshole you were commiserating with before. Though I am tempted to think you're much more the asshole in view of the fact that he has a dog in this fight, being Jewish, while you're just a brainwashed shabbos Goy prick parroting your master's requisite propaganda line.
djs259 2 days ago
@djs259
show me where i did - you have still to show me the other statement you falsely attributed to me
are you just practicing lying or are you just crap?
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago
@ArmorDinnerJacket goodnight asswipe.
Don't forget to salute the Israeli flag when you get up tomorrow morning, you despicable traitor.
djs259 2 days ago
@djs259
traitor?
LOL!
i would only be a traitor to the human race if i supported the despicable "palestinian" barbarians and their islamic death cult
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago
@ArmorDinnerJacket Not all Palestinians are Muslims, some are Greek Orthodox Christians and Druze.
You just have to have the last word, don't you jackass? Ok, go ahead. Purge your bile.
djs259 2 days ago
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@djs259 Your comment to @ArmorDinnerJacket: "Not all Palestinians are Muslims, some are Greek Orthodox Christians and Druze."!!!
Then why ONLY "Allahu-Akbar" "RDX RANTS" resonate in Palestine and NOT "Jesus-Hu-Akbar" or "Druze-Hu-Akbar"??!!
rationalindian10 2 days ago
@djs259
the christians and druze are being persecuted and their numbers are falling rapidly
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago
@djs259
where did i say "the holocaust continues today"
show me:
where it says israel are only allowed to kill the same number of attackers as its attackers kill?
the facts that show the links to be wrong yet
where in international law it says that an occupying power cannot defend itself with force or that it must withdraw its armies
what large explosive ordnance?
where does israel state that it doesn't think iran has a right to exist?
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago
@djs259
show me where the usa stated that the ussr did not have the right to exist
what are "apartheid roads"?
can you tell me why jordan is never attacked, even though it occupies 75% of palestine and killed more "palestinians" in black september than israel have in over? 20 years?
evidence for the alleged occupation being brutal
where i used the refusal to accept israel's right to exist as a justification for occupation
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago
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@ArmorDinnerJacket I asked this shit-fuck, @djs259 about his "Jews-Only" roads in The West Bank and I pointed out to him that Arabs who are Israeli citizens can and do drive on these roads all the time.
I told him that his recitation of this lie proves his hatred of Jewish people and he got angry about this so I asked him to explain why my feelings about him are so wrong this way and I've asked this about FIVE TIMES and he still hasn't answered.
SatchmoSings 1 day ago 3
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@SatchmoSings
he is incapable - he is consumed by his ancient tribal hatred that was brainwashed into him since birth
ArmorDinnerJacket 1 day ago 2
@djs259
israeli technological sophistication being a gift from the west?
what is "baloney" about the "central thesis"
"overwhelmingly peaceful" relationship between arabs and jews
evidence of "appalling torture" and that people are imprisoned merely for peacefully protesting
evidence that zionist aggression created the explosive political atmosphere
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago
@djs259
that is the list of your unsubstantiated claims, that i can find
go on, make a start at putting your money where your mouth is - or are you just all talk and no substance, like most delusional supporters of the palestinian barbarism?
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago
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djs259 2 days ago
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@ArmorDinnerJacket You're so full of shit. What you've produced is essentially a catalog of the all the nonsense arguments from your side which I have spent quite a bit of time amply rebutting. Rebuttals, incidentally, which you artlessly attempted to put to rest with lots of hand-waving and obfuscation, before resuming your idiotic rehearsal of the same jaded crap. All of which forces the conclusion that you are either illiterate or a fool, though I suspect it may very well be both. Buh-bye.
djs259 2 days ago
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@djs259 You've still no answered me regarding your lying accusation about certain West Bank roads being "Jews Only" when, in fact, Arabs who are citizens of Israel freely drive on these roads all the time.
I called you a liar and a Jew-hater over this canard and you got all huffy; you've yet to give me the explanation as to why my feelings about you are all wrong this way; this is like the FIFTH TIME I've asked you about this.
SatchmoSings 1 day ago 2
@ArmorDinnerJacket Resisting occupation cannot be considered " a state belligerancy" under international law. Besides, the Palestinians don't have a state, so their so called "belligerancy" could not be cited as grounds for perpetuating IDF control of the 1967 territories.
So your logic is bullshit.
djs259 2 days ago
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rationalindian10 2 days ago
@djs259
any attack is considered belligerency - state or no state - those doing the attack wish to have their own state recognised, yet refuse to recognise the state of israel - hmm - how strange LOL!
have you shown where the links are wrong yet?
have you shown where it says israel can only kill as many attackers as attackers kill israelis?
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago
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@djs259
any attack is belligerency - state or no state - those doing the attack wish to have their own state recognised, yet refuse to recognise the state of israel - hmm - how strange LOL!
have you shown where the links are wrong yet?
have you shown where it says israel can only kill as many attackers as attackers kill israelis?
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago
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@djs259
LOL!
"states OF belligerency", you idiot - not "state belligerency"
state - as in condition or situation!!
LMAO! you really have no clue, do you?
ArmorDinnerJacket 1 day ago 2
@ArmorDinnerJacket to recognize "an absolute right to exist" of the Zionist regime as a condition of the withdrawal of occupying forces and cessation of military strictures.
(we already dealt with this so your memory is very short)
If Israel doesn't like being pelted with pop rockets, then it can easily desist from it's occupation, which in itself is a form of state violence, and which preceded the pop rockets and suicide bombings by many decades.
What Jordan did does not justify Israel now.
djs259 2 days ago
@djs259
i would hazard a guess that you are just too stupid to understand: "and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State"
another fail by you?
surely not!
LOL!
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago
@ArmorDinnerJacket Palestine is not a recognized state, thanks to your Zionist puppet U.S. president Obama. So I guess on your logic that it isn't required to make all the exalted acknowledgments you cite as a condition of not being brutally occupied by land grabbing Jewish fanatics.
djs259 2 days ago
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@djs259 Your comment: "Resisting occupation cannot be considered " a state belligerancy" under international law."!!!
1. The ORIGINAL OCCUPIERS of the "JEWISH LAND" are the ARABS!!!
2. INTERNATIONAL LAW is a COLOSSAL JOKE which has been repeatedly FLUSHED DOWN THE COMMODE by the whole INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY including the 5 PERMANENT PERMANENT MEMBERS (US, Russia, UK, China and France) of the UNITED NATIONS!!!
Your talking about JUSTICE is the same as a WHORE lecturing on CHASTITY!!
rationalindian10 2 days ago
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@rationalindian10 I would just like to remind you that the five biggest arms-dealing nations on this earth are the five permanent members of the UN Security Council, followed by, of course, Germany and Japan.
@djs259
SatchmoSings 1 day ago 2
@djs259 Your comment to @ArmorDinnerJacket: "Palestine is not a recognized state, thanks to your Zionist puppet U.S. president Obama."!!!
1. "PALESTINE STATE" was RECOGNIZED by ZIONISTS in 1917, 1948, 1967, 1993, 2008, 2012 and continuing.....
2. "JEWISH STATE" was NOT RECOGNIZED by ARABS in 1917, 1948, 1967, 1993, 2008, 2012 and continuing....
Ever heard of a saying: "Pot calling the kettle black"??!!
rationalindian10 2 days ago
@rationalindian10 Correction you dick: there is no such thing as a "Palestinian state". That's because Jewish extremists have exercised their considerable influence to make sure there is never any land left upon which Palestinians can build a functioning state with discrete borders. That's because the political agenda in Israel is set by a bunch of inbred fanatical border-line retards and psychopaths who think that God gave them the real estate title to formerly Arab lands.
YOU IDIOT!
djs259 2 days ago
@djs259 Your comment: "That's because the political agenda in Israel is set by a bunch of inbred fanatical border-line retards and psychopaths who think that God gave them the real estate title to formerly Arab lands."!!!
The "FORMERLY ARAB LANDS" were even more "FORMERLY JEWISH LANDS"!! Just lemme know where does your "SELECTIVE HISTORY" stop??!! 2000 BC?? 1 AD?? 700 AD?? 1917 AD?? 1948 AD?? or 2012 AD?!!
rationalindian10 2 days ago
@rationalindian10 Here's another moron trotting out the witheringly refuted canard about "not accepting Israel's right to exist".
Find another argument. This one won't work.
djs259 2 days ago
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@djs259 Your comment: "Here's another moron trotting out the witheringly refuted canard about "not accepting Israel's right to exist"."!!!
What are these then, ISLAMONAZI circumcised DICKhead?
1. "'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (HAMAS PREAMBLE)!
2. "Complete liberation of Palestine, and eradication of Zionist economic, political, military and cultural existence." (Article-12 of FATAH CONSTITUTION)!
rationalindian10 2 days ago
@djs259
how strange that the land was jordanian from 1948 when jordan invaded until 1967 - again, why were there no attacks against jordan - it can't be that irrational jew hatred agin, now can it?
strange that egypt and jordan never allowed self government when they occupied the "palestinian" territories........
LOL!
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago
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@djs259 If Israel doesn't like being pelted with pop rockets, it can act towards Gaza and Hamas in such a way that all such attacks forever cease and hopefully, this time, there will be no Col. Kemp talking about Israeli restraint in this matter.
SatchmoSings 1 day ago 2
@ArmorDinnerJacket The Palestinians who are negotiating with Israel in an attempt to redress grievances and reach a settlement are through this very act "recognizing" the Israeli regime.
djs259 2 days ago
@djs259
the "palestinians" have refused to negotiate with israel for over 8 years now, i believe
the statement in the hamas charter calling for the destruction of israel puts the lie to your claim
what a surprise......
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 days ago
@ArmorDinnerJacket They have a right to demand the destruction of the Israeli REGIME, as it has oppressed, killed, occupied, and ethnically cleansed it's people for over half a century.
Show me where HAMAS calls for the death of ALL JEWS or for the "crime" of BEING JEWS. Until then, you can just as well shut that lying mental diarrhea spewing spigot of a mouth, you moron.
djs259 2 days ago
@djs259 It is quite admisable to acquire land by war; last I heard German Danzig and Breslau are now POLISH Gdansk and Wroclaw; why is this okay for Poland but not Israel?
The only conclusion I have this way is that you're lying, AGAIN and your motivation for this is to fuck over Jewish people.
SatchmoSings 2 days ago
@SatchmoSings If I were alive when it occurred I would have opposed it. But I wasn't. The argument you're making is fallacious to the core, in that it consists at bottom of nothing more than a simple ad hominem charge. If it is pointed out that a critic has shown selectivity, bias, or even hypocrisy in making his criticism, this does not begin to address the criticisms themselves, much less refute them.
djs259 2 days ago
@djs259 The argument that I/m making is hardly fallacious because, after all, the Allied nations WERE "The United Nations" and the peace treaties and border resolutions were made not long before Israel came about.
Germany resettled 15.5 million refugees but somehow the Arab world couldn't resettle a few hundred thousand Arabs; it's all a double-standard and you've just given an answer that is one very big cop out.
SatchmoSings 2 days ago
@SatchmoSings Your argument basically amounts to this:
"Other nations in the past engaged in ethnic cleansing [you employ the Orwellian "resettle"], so it is legitimate for Israel to do it too"
I don't need to tell you how stupid that part is.
The rest is just a charge of hypocrisy, which is just an ad hominem. It doesn't address the issue, but the person discussing the issue. Pretty straightforward stuff I think.
djs259 2 days ago
@djs259 It is NOT an IRRELEVANT QUESTION ("Is Islam a religion of PEACE?"). It will only prove your NATURAL ALLEGIANCE!!
rationalindian10 2 days ago
@rationalindian10 I'll just say that I'm not a Muslim, nor am I particularly religious.
In any case, my personal allegiance is hardly relevant to the rightness or wrongness of Israel's brutality and quasi-fascist policies.
djs259 2 days ago
@djs259 Your comment: "In any case, my personal allegiance is hardly relevant to the rightness or wrongness of Israel's brutality and quasi-fascist policies."!!!
Who decides WHAT IS RIGHT and WHAT IS WRONG and based on WHAT??!! YOU, ME, UN, ISRAEL, PALESTINE....??!! WHO baby WHO??
And WHAT gives them (whoever is the MORAL GATEKEEPER) that RIGHT to be WORLD POLICEMEN to decide what is RIGHT and what is WRONG and again "BASED" on "WHAT"??!!
rationalindian10 2 days ago
@rationalindian10 Based on the principle of international legitimacy upon which Israel has hanged it's existential hat in 1948, which is supposed to embody the aspirations and values of decency, good will, and moral common sense, of the world's assorted nations and peoples.
djs259 2 days ago
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@djs259 Your comment: "Based on the principle of international legitimacy upon which Israel has hanged it's existential hat in 1948, which is supposed to embody the aspirations and values of decency, good will, and moral common sense, of the world's assorted nations and peoples"
LOL! First and foremost, ask your 5 PERMANENT MEMBERS of the UN SECURITY COUNCIL to "FOLLOW THEM" and then give your SERMON to others!!! If you CANNOT "practise what you preach", ATLEAST "preach what you practise"!!
rationalindian10 2 days ago
@djs259 Your comment: "If Israel the people Israel is occupying, dispossessing, and murdering with impunity...does the fact that they invoke religion make their dispossession, occupation any more justifiable?"!!!!
You are an UNGRATEFUL PIG who doesn't even want to be THANKFUL to Israel for booking FREE ONE-WAY-TICKETS to CELESTIAL BROTHEL of the most merciful PIMP Allah for his "I love DEATH more than INFIDELS love LIFE" Allahu-Akbar Palestinian VIRGIN-SEEKERS!!!
rationalindian10 2 days ago
@rationalindian10 Islam isn't the only religion which glorifies death and the so-called future life of the soul, so chill out.
In any event, I'm sure their celestial brothel is quite a bit more agreeable than the racket some Israelis have currently got going with the kidnapped Eastern European girls it routinely pimps out to perverts around the world. Very seldom discussed subject, but if you research it, you'll see that Israel is an epicenter of international gangsterism, besides other things
djs259 2 days ago
@djs259 Your comment: "In any event, I'm sure their celestial brothel is quite a bit more agreeable than the racket some Israelis have currently got going with the kidnapped Eastern European girls it routinely pimps out to perverts around the world."!!
Does "ARAB SLAVE TRADE" (where TOOTHLESS OLD-AGE ARABS are deflowering KINDERGARTEN CHILDREN as per the PISSlamic style called "MUT'AH" aka "PAID ONE-NIGHT TEMPORARY MARRIAGE" aka "PROSTITUTION") ring bells in your "SELECTIVE AMNESIA" EARS??!!
rationalindian10 2 days ago 10
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@djs259 Here's what is stupid.
You made the claim that the roads in The West Bank are for "Jews Only" and I then told you that Arabs, who are Israeli citizens, can also freely drive on those roads.
I then proceeded to tell you what a lie this was and that you were a Jew-hater for making such an outrageous claim.
You got all huffy so I then asked you how else should I consider you for making such a blatant lie and you've yet to answer this.
SatchmoSings 1 day ago
@SatchmoSings Moral responsibility can only be exercised by people in relation to things in which they somehow are able to meaningfully participate. Discussions of past atrocities and grievances are therefore purely academic in the context of any discussion relating to current moral obligations and responsibilities in connection with the conflict unfolding at present.
Google "genetic fallacy" and "ad hominem" to learn just how worthless the principal arguments you have put forth have been.
djs259 2 days ago
@djs259 Here you go again telling the lie, all motivated by your hatred of Jews, that the roads in The West Bank are "Jews Only."
You say this lie because you insist on the demonization of Jewish people; you'll never win an argument with any fair-minded person that will immediately see your lie and understand your motivation for reiterating it.
SatchmoSings 2 days ago
@SatchmoSings I never said all roads in the West Bank are "Jews only", but the ones connecting the insidious network of illegal Jewish colonialist settlements interspersed within the Palestinian occupied territories are, at least, de facto Jews only. Unless by "not Jews only" you mean that the people who are non-Jewish citizens of the occupying nation can cross, sorry, but that doesn't mean much to the occupied inhabitants who actually reside there and are restricted from travelling by the IDF
djs259 2 days ago