@fxnooodle "The Constitution DOES NOT separate State and Religion. Some States have official religion."
Yes, it does. The term "seperation of church and state" has the following definition: "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." It's called the first amendment of the Constitution of the United States.
Not one single US state has an official religion.
You are engaging in typical right-wing historical revisionism.
We do not want government in control of marriage. We need to start treating each other as humans. Government free marriage is the pathway to equality. Government should have no control over religion or marriage. Leave marriage to the religions or to the people to freely contract with one another.
i flagged this video.ha ha. just because it looks peaceful deosnt mean anything. its a horrible notion. and it is offensive to the founding fathers of this country. i dont care how good they make it look. they make alcohol look good too. but it still kills thousands. homosexuals make you ask the question. what is a family? because if both ways are right than what is wrong. two extremes cant be right. one has to be wrong. and it is homosexuality. its too extreme.
@imreadyyo26 "it is offensive to the founding fathers of this country."
What kind of nonsense it that? The Founding Fathers never inteded the Unied States to be frozen in time in 18th century. That's why they made a Constitution that could be amended. They intended the nation to change with the times. You seem to be making the arugment that, because the Founding Fathers didn't envision same-sex marriage, we cannot have it. Well, they couldn't envision women voting either, or racial equality.
@TheStrong32 the founding fathers would have love to see women vote. it is good that women are treated as equal when it comes to voting. but i disagree with you about them excepting gay marriage. women voting is beneficial in many ways to society. but what is productive and beneficial about gay marriage? cant you see its a despised act? dont you have a conscience? there are also people who love dogs and want to marry. lets make that happen too. backward people no morals
@imreadyyo26 " the founding fathers would have love to see women vote."
What hisorical basis do you have for that statement?
"women voting is beneficial in many ways to society. but what is productive and beneficial about gay marriage?"
It is beneficial to a free society when all of its members are treated eqally. As Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. said, "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." LGBT citizens are beneficial contributers to society. They deserve equal treatment
Inter-racial marriage was a despised act also. At the time the Supreme Court decided Loving v. Virgnia, national polls showed that 73% of Americans were opposed to it. Many Germans were in favor of the Nazi's racial laws. Mere public opinion is insufficient reason for depriving a group of its civil rights.
@imreadyyo26 "homosexuals make you ask the question. what is a family? because if both ways are right than what is wrong."
This is a false dichotomy. You argue that if same-sex families are treated equally to opposite-sex families then there will no longer be a sense of right and wrong. That is simply false. It's the same ridiculous argument made in the 60s by people who opposed inter-racial marriages. And look: 44 years after Loving v. Virginia, people still know right from wrong. Amazing!
Gays can't get a religious marriage if the officiating priest, rabbi, etc denies them too. We do truly have a separation of Church and state, and that's why gays are fighting for civil marriage. Hell, I don't want a church wedding. I'm not even religious. Just because you are shouldn't deny me a civil marriage to a women I love one day.
This was a really nicely done video. We, as a country, need to acknowledge that "religious freedom" does not mean one religion (or several small subsets of one religion, in this case) calling the shots for everyone. That's precisely what the Puritans were trying to get away from when they came to America.
Sure, some religious groups oppose gay marriage (just as they opposed interracial marriage). But many do not.
u really think two woman and two men should have sex or kiss intensively in public? that means you dont care about children and there innocence. if u seen two men moaning and groaning outside you would puke. and what about a child? u people are selfish to ur own desires. u dont care about the future u only care about what u want and not the entire human race. selfish fags.gthell
@imreadyyo26 What makes me puke is people being ignorant, hateful bigots. Like you, right there, in that comment. (Also people with horrible grammar, but it's probably unfair to point that out.)
I don't think anybody should have sex or kiss "intensively" in public, gay or straight. It's pretty much equally gross to watch, no matter who is doing it. But that's really not what this discussion is about, anyway.
@artificialinanity another extreme person. when will you find a middle path? look, christians and muslims arent the only people you can call extreme. homosexuality is an extreme way of life. prove to me its not. and i dont believe anyone should be doing anything in public aswell. im a muslim. democracy is a religion. its a new world religion and in it are the most extreme people on the planet. zionists who want to turn the world upside down. freemason faggets and zionist whores.
@imreadyyo26 Homosexuality isn't an extreme way of life--unless you're using some strange meaning of the word "extreme" that I'm unfamiliar with. There are many stable, loving families that just happen to have two men or two women, instead of a man and a woman, at their core. They live the same life I do or you do, going to work, going to church/temple/mosque, taking kids to soccer practice, the whole normal deal. All they want is equality--recognition that their families have value, too.
@imreadyyo26 "u really think two woman and two men should have sex or kiss intensively in public? that means you dont care about children and there innocence."
Ridiculous assertion. A child no more loses innocence from seeing two men kiss than from seeing a man and a woman kissing. There is no moral difference. And you can't prove a moral difference, you can only give your opinion, which is of equal value to my own.
Thank you for the advice, I'll stick with reading the Bible.
I know there's a lot of dodging what it says, and attempts to find "make-it-go-away" verses, that do not exist.
But the FACT is, they ARE there, and cannot be twisted to say something which in actuality say the OPPOSITE.
I'm not homophobic, the literal explosion of all this in these days, is just another confirmation of the days in which we live. The increase of this is indeed spoken of in Romans 1.
I have no argument with what you believe and I support your right to believe and live the way you see fit. I do not support your right to force your beliefs on secular society. We do not all belong to your church. That's why the Puritans came to America, Freedom of Religion.
interesting reply, and nice try, but I do not belong to a church. This is because there-in lies the real problem. They are ALL given over to the antichrist ( satan) who is sitting in the temple of god, shewing himself, that HE is god
You know what? I'm sorry. That thing I said about your kids getting taken away from you was out of line. I apoligize.
Instead, I hope one of your kids ends up gay, wouldn't that just be the ultimate irony? You spend your life hating gays, and telling your children to hate gays, and one of them ends up gay.
I feel bad for your kids, they are going to be confused out of their minds when they wonder about their sexual orientation.
Even if I was gay, I could adopt a child, and get him or her out of the shitty system. Well, not in certain places in America, because bigoted bastards like you want kids to rot in foster homes.
A bigot is "one who regards or treats the members of a racial or ethnic group with hatred and intolerance". Gays are not an ethnic group. Being gay is not an immutable characteristic, any more than is being a smoker. It is a sexual desire that is given in to. And sometimes abandoned, as with Anne Heche. To compare the desire to have gay sex, which can be suppressed or yielded to, hidden or done openly, to the civil rights struggles of blacks is very insulting. Blacks couldn't change their color
Wrong in many ways. Some gays do not like the same sex for physical but emotional and mental reasons and have relationships that are not based on sexual desires but on love.
@FreepShop Your definition of bigot is (inentionally?) incomplete. People can be the victims of bigotry based on religion, right? Religion isn't immutable either; but that doesn't give us the right to discriminate against them.
No, Blacks couldn't change their color; but is that the only legitimate criterion? If a Jew was able to hide his Jewishness in Nazi Germany, does that make his struggle against anti-Semitism any less valid?
@FreepShop "A bigot is 'one who regards or treats the members of a racial or ethnic group with hatred and intolerance.'"
I have no idea where you got this strange definition. According to Webster's New World Dictionary, bigot is, " 1. a person who holds blindly and intolerantly to a particular creed, opinion, etc. 2. a narrow-minded, intolerant person."
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You got to be kidding me. A Catholic priest give me a brake. what is right will be wrong what is wrong will be right in the last days. guess What we are here. What an amazing time to be alive.
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Yep, they had to be a masonic star on the CourageCampaign slogan. Satan is trying to grip us. Freedom? What's next? Human to animals? Adult to child? Sad
Nicely done. It's about FREEDOM, EQUALITY and EQUAL PROTECTION under the law. I could have lived without the closeup shot of the priest's hand holding his cross...a bit much.
Great video. In fact it's exactly what has been on my mind lately. I think a lot of people are led to believe that this issue is about gays vs. religion and it's absolutely not. We can all live together peacefully and respectfully. :-)
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This sucks, You don't mention same-sex marriage enough, a random person watching this will not know what it is about! They will think it is some generic thing on America, not an argument for same-sex marriage. Your last ad, where you show GAY COUPLES!!! Was much better. It displayed us, and drove home an emotional connection. Generic talk about equal rights is what the NOon8 campaign did, and where did that get us?
The Constitution DOES NOT separate State and Religion. Some States have official religion. Fkn liberal morons!
fxnooodle 3 months ago
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@fxnooodle "The Constitution DOES NOT separate State and Religion. Some States have official religion."
Yes, it does. The term "seperation of church and state" has the following definition: "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." It's called the first amendment of the Constitution of the United States.
Not one single US state has an official religion.
You are engaging in typical right-wing historical revisionism.
TheStrong32 1 month ago
Excellent! This should be broadcast nationally on prime time for 3 months.
TheStrong32 10 months ago
@TheStrong32 yeah! as proof that liberalism is a mental disorder!
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sabithashasi 11 months ago
We do not want government in control of marriage. We need to start treating each other as humans. Government free marriage is the pathway to equality. Government should have no control over religion or marriage. Leave marriage to the religions or to the people to freely contract with one another.
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i flagged this video.ha ha. just because it looks peaceful deosnt mean anything. its a horrible notion. and it is offensive to the founding fathers of this country. i dont care how good they make it look. they make alcohol look good too. but it still kills thousands. homosexuals make you ask the question. what is a family? because if both ways are right than what is wrong. two extremes cant be right. one has to be wrong. and it is homosexuality. its too extreme.
imreadyyo26 1 year ago
@imreadyyo26 "it is offensive to the founding fathers of this country."
What kind of nonsense it that? The Founding Fathers never inteded the Unied States to be frozen in time in 18th century. That's why they made a Constitution that could be amended. They intended the nation to change with the times. You seem to be making the arugment that, because the Founding Fathers didn't envision same-sex marriage, we cannot have it. Well, they couldn't envision women voting either, or racial equality.
TheStrong32 1 month ago
@TheStrong32 the founding fathers would have love to see women vote. it is good that women are treated as equal when it comes to voting. but i disagree with you about them excepting gay marriage. women voting is beneficial in many ways to society. but what is productive and beneficial about gay marriage? cant you see its a despised act? dont you have a conscience? there are also people who love dogs and want to marry. lets make that happen too. backward people no morals
imreadyyo26 1 month ago
@imreadyyo26 " the founding fathers would have love to see women vote."
What hisorical basis do you have for that statement?
"women voting is beneficial in many ways to society. but what is productive and beneficial about gay marriage?"
It is beneficial to a free society when all of its members are treated eqally. As Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. said, "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." LGBT citizens are beneficial contributers to society. They deserve equal treatment
TheStrong32 1 month ago
@imreadyyo26 "cant you see its a despised act?"
Inter-racial marriage was a despised act also. At the time the Supreme Court decided Loving v. Virgnia, national polls showed that 73% of Americans were opposed to it. Many Germans were in favor of the Nazi's racial laws. Mere public opinion is insufficient reason for depriving a group of its civil rights.
TheStrong32 1 month ago
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@imreadyyo26 "homosexuals make you ask the question. what is a family? because if both ways are right than what is wrong."
This is a false dichotomy. You argue that if same-sex families are treated equally to opposite-sex families then there will no longer be a sense of right and wrong. That is simply false. It's the same ridiculous argument made in the 60s by people who opposed inter-racial marriages. And look: 44 years after Loving v. Virginia, people still know right from wrong. Amazing!
TheStrong32 1 month ago
How about this great fix:
If "your" God doesn't approve of same-marriage, DON'T PERFORM IT.
If "your" God sees no issue, then be free to perform same-sex marriage.
Things that same-sex marriage affects: Two homosexual adults.
Things that anti-equality legislation affects: millions of homosexuals.
Hm. Which agenda is more detrimental?
thealexalberti 1 year ago 2
I feel sorry for most of you in here. I will pray for you.
seethelightofgod 1 year ago
There really is no sane argument against anything in this video. Well Done.
K9limo3 1 year ago
Gays can't get a religious marriage if the officiating priest, rabbi, etc denies them too. We do truly have a separation of Church and state, and that's why gays are fighting for civil marriage. Hell, I don't want a church wedding. I'm not even religious. Just because you are shouldn't deny me a civil marriage to a women I love one day.
runningwater14 1 year ago 3
This was a really nicely done video. We, as a country, need to acknowledge that "religious freedom" does not mean one religion (or several small subsets of one religion, in this case) calling the shots for everyone. That's precisely what the Puritans were trying to get away from when they came to America.
Sure, some religious groups oppose gay marriage (just as they opposed interracial marriage). But many do not.
artificialinanity 2 years ago 2
@artificialinanity i appose gayism to the day i die.
u really think two woman and two men should have sex or kiss intensively in public? that means you dont care about children and there innocence. if u seen two men moaning and groaning outside you would puke. and what about a child? u people are selfish to ur own desires. u dont care about the future u only care about what u want and not the entire human race. selfish fags.gthell
imreadyyo26 1 year ago
@imreadyyo26 What makes me puke is people being ignorant, hateful bigots. Like you, right there, in that comment. (Also people with horrible grammar, but it's probably unfair to point that out.)
I don't think anybody should have sex or kiss "intensively" in public, gay or straight. It's pretty much equally gross to watch, no matter who is doing it. But that's really not what this discussion is about, anyway.
artificialinanity 1 year ago
@artificialinanity another extreme person. when will you find a middle path? look, christians and muslims arent the only people you can call extreme. homosexuality is an extreme way of life. prove to me its not. and i dont believe anyone should be doing anything in public aswell. im a muslim. democracy is a religion. its a new world religion and in it are the most extreme people on the planet. zionists who want to turn the world upside down. freemason faggets and zionist whores.
imreadyyo26 1 year ago
@imreadyyo26 Homosexuality isn't an extreme way of life--unless you're using some strange meaning of the word "extreme" that I'm unfamiliar with. There are many stable, loving families that just happen to have two men or two women, instead of a man and a woman, at their core. They live the same life I do or you do, going to work, going to church/temple/mosque, taking kids to soccer practice, the whole normal deal. All they want is equality--recognition that their families have value, too.
artificialinanity 1 year ago
@imreadyyo26 " homosexuality is an extreme way of life. prove to me its not."
Actually, you are the one making the claim: the burden of proof lies with you.
TheStrong32 10 months ago
@imreadyyo26 Then do us a favor and die now for you stupidity. People like you become child molesters.
TMBrd89 1 year ago
@TMBrd89 you sound like an extremist. your veiw is extreme. and you know it.
imreadyyo26 1 year ago
@imreadyyo26 Yep I am as extreme as you.
TMBrd89 1 year ago
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@TMBrd89 "Then do us a favor and die now for you stupidity. People like you become child molesters."
Not too different from the bigot who says to Muslims: "Then do us a favor and die now for your stupidity. People like you become terrorists."
TheStrong32 10 months ago
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@imreadyyo26 "u really think two woman and two men should have sex or kiss intensively in public? that means you dont care about children and there innocence."
Ridiculous assertion. A child no more loses innocence from seeing two men kiss than from seeing a man and a woman kissing. There is no moral difference. And you can't prove a moral difference, you can only give your opinion, which is of equal value to my own.
TheStrong32 10 months ago
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mark1tex 2 years ago
@mark1tex Troll. You get 1 out of 10.
Duskmelt 2 years ago
mark1tex
You need to read the Amazon com book titled:
THE BIG PICTURE: A Cure for Homophobia
starmaYker 2 years ago
@starmaYker
Thank you for the advice, I'll stick with reading the Bible.
I know there's a lot of dodging what it says, and attempts to find "make-it-go-away" verses, that do not exist.
But the FACT is, they ARE there, and cannot be twisted to say something which in actuality say the OPPOSITE.
I'm not homophobic, the literal explosion of all this in these days, is just another confirmation of the days in which we live. The increase of this is indeed spoken of in Romans 1.
mark1tex 2 years ago
I have no argument with what you believe and I support your right to believe and live the way you see fit. I do not support your right to force your beliefs on secular society. We do not all belong to your church. That's why the Puritans came to America, Freedom of Religion.
K9limo3 1 year ago
interesting reply, and nice try, but I do not belong to a church. This is because there-in lies the real problem. They are ALL given over to the antichrist ( satan) who is sitting in the temple of god, shewing himself, that HE is god
mark1tex 1 year ago
sorry you have gays and lesbians mistaken for you homophobes
idaman12345 1 year ago
a gay and lesbian lifestyle is mentioned in the Bible as a "vile affection" and of a "reprobate" mind. Homophobes are not mentioned
mark1tex 1 year ago
I hope this country gets these equality hating Christians and does a Rex 84 on them!
LaReinaDelBarrio 2 years ago
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What? This video just spouted a bunch of gibberish, Gays have the exact same rights as anyone else...
FLYDUCKY123 2 years ago
Yeah, but if they do turn out gay? Will you just disown them like most people?
I don't know how someone can find love wrong, but whatever.
I'm assuming your a christian, am I right?
EchoGamer 2 years ago 3
You know what? I'm sorry. That thing I said about your kids getting taken away from you was out of line. I apoligize.
Instead, I hope one of your kids ends up gay, wouldn't that just be the ultimate irony? You spend your life hating gays, and telling your children to hate gays, and one of them ends up gay.
I feel bad for your kids, they are going to be confused out of their minds when they wonder about their sexual orientation.
EchoGamer 2 years ago
Good for you, teach your children the value of hate.
I hope your kids get taken away from you. The next generation shouldn't get their minds poisoned by zealots like you.
EchoGamer 2 years ago 4
Uh, I'm not gay.
Even if I was gay, I could adopt a child, and get him or her out of the shitty system. Well, not in certain places in America, because bigoted bastards like you want kids to rot in foster homes.
EchoGamer 2 years ago
No, not bullshit.
Sorry your biggotted, evil mind can't wrap itself around the idea of people with the same genitals being in love. Too bad.
Luckily enough, in 100 years you'll be remembered like the assholes who made black people ride on the back of a bus.
EchoGamer 2 years ago
You have proof it's just lust? 2000 year old books don't count.
I have friends who are gay, that have been together longer then any strait couple I've known.
EchoGamer 2 years ago
So, if we allow two consenting adults who love eachother to marry, that means we need to allow people to marry trees?
Nope, they're all from earth, what planet are you from? Disgusting bigot land? Yeah, that sounds about right.
EchoGamer 2 years ago
That gay priest creeps me out. Imagine him with your child--NOT. Keep gays away from children!
FreepShop 2 years ago
Uh, just because he supports gay marriage, doesn't mean he's gay.
And why would we keep children away from someone who is gay? Are they just going to molest because their gay?
Nope, you're just a bigot.
EchoGamer 2 years ago 2
A bigot is "one who regards or treats the members of a racial or ethnic group with hatred and intolerance". Gays are not an ethnic group. Being gay is not an immutable characteristic, any more than is being a smoker. It is a sexual desire that is given in to. And sometimes abandoned, as with Anne Heche. To compare the desire to have gay sex, which can be suppressed or yielded to, hidden or done openly, to the civil rights struggles of blacks is very insulting. Blacks couldn't change their color
FreepShop 2 years ago
Your belief that gay sex is a desire is based on what?
jc1104 2 years ago
Wrong in many ways. Some gays do not like the same sex for physical but emotional and mental reasons and have relationships that are not based on sexual desires but on love.
BLCHGK4973 2 years ago
@FreepShop Your definition of bigot is (inentionally?) incomplete. People can be the victims of bigotry based on religion, right? Religion isn't immutable either; but that doesn't give us the right to discriminate against them.
No, Blacks couldn't change their color; but is that the only legitimate criterion? If a Jew was able to hide his Jewishness in Nazi Germany, does that make his struggle against anti-Semitism any less valid?
TheStrong32 1 month ago
@FreepShop "A bigot is 'one who regards or treats the members of a racial or ethnic group with hatred and intolerance.'"
I have no idea where you got this strange definition. According to Webster's New World Dictionary, bigot is, " 1. a person who holds blindly and intolerantly to a particular creed, opinion, etc. 2. a narrow-minded, intolerant person."
TheStrong32 1 month ago
keep religious bigots away from children
idaman12345 2 years ago 2
Jesus, Protect me from your followers.
K9limo3 1 year ago 2
It's ReRun with a wig! HAHAHA
FreepShop 2 years ago
Haha...is that fat black chick a man or woman? HAHAHA! FREAK!
FreepShop 2 years ago
The day of decision is here. Tuesday March 26th!
wickedalwayz82 2 years ago
Of course liberal Lutherans I should have known
soldatna 2 years ago
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You got to be kidding me. A Catholic priest give me a brake. what is right will be wrong what is wrong will be right in the last days. guess What we are here. What an amazing time to be alive.
soldatna 2 years ago
Lutheran pastor, not Catholic priest. : )
MontanaAnna 2 years ago
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Yep, they had to be a masonic star on the CourageCampaign slogan. Satan is trying to grip us. Freedom? What's next? Human to animals? Adult to child? Sad
popcur 2 years ago
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soundjonny 2 years ago
yeah because animals can enter into a legal binding contract
same with children
idaman12345 2 years ago
Great vid! I have no doubt that we will all one day share the same liberties and protections =)
wickedalwayz82 2 years ago 2
This is a really good video. Good job.
glafna 2 years ago
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this is SOO November 2008!!! lol...
it's 2009 now!
Nightwing20 2 years ago
Nicely done. It's about FREEDOM, EQUALITY and EQUAL PROTECTION under the law. I could have lived without the closeup shot of the priest's hand holding his cross...a bit much.
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soundjonny 2 years ago
Great video. In fact it's exactly what has been on my mind lately. I think a lot of people are led to believe that this issue is about gays vs. religion and it's absolutely not. We can all live together peacefully and respectfully. :-)
remix262 2 years ago 9
This is an excellent appeal to those who need to understand how to give rights, without taking rights away. Very Nice.
LaborTV 2 years ago 9
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txjoshinla 2 years ago
Great video - love the diversity of every day members of our community - very cool!
MITM4E 2 years ago
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This sucks, You don't mention same-sex marriage enough, a random person watching this will not know what it is about! They will think it is some generic thing on America, not an argument for same-sex marriage. Your last ad, where you show GAY COUPLES!!! Was much better. It displayed us, and drove home an emotional connection. Generic talk about equal rights is what the NOon8 campaign did, and where did that get us?
blackmetalqueer 2 years ago
double think...
amgFILM 2 years ago
Wonderful video. We *can* have marriage equality and religious freedom.
SeanChapin1 2 years ago 4
Thanks for making this beautiful moving video. I curate at the GCRM Media Center networks and sharing it there now.
patrickometry 2 years ago
Awesome! We the people support the freedom to marry!
atdnext 2 years ago
Well done....
willyboy4 2 years ago
Good work guys <3
The lady's singing was very pretty :)
donkeyo4 2 years ago 2