So if the LDS believe that there are many good churches, why should one join the LDS faith?
You say that "we believe that Christ has restored His church as he founded it on earth through a living prophet", then logically the LDS Church should mirror exactly the church as described in the book of Acts, correct? Please clarify.
Those men look mighty handsome, Minister Louis Faracon, President Obama, and the Islamic nation so called church of jesus christ unhand my men, the women too! You a liar and a crook, and a bunch of sex perverts!
I am a proud Mormon. But since I am black, I'm not allowed to eat at the adults table. I have to use the service entrance. Jesus came to America in 1981 and taught the lost Indians tribe how to play blackjack and drink. I worship a dog named Jeckyl and a cat name Moroni! Mormon! I go to BYU and I'm majoring in tree trimming.
"The Savior" as the speaker at the beginning of this video calls him and "His church", does that mean Mormons or Christians? Or are they one and the same?
Yes! He is talking about our Savior, Jesus Christ. The same Jesus we can learn about in the Bible; the living Son of God!
When the speaker says "His church"... Latter-Day Saints believe there are many good churches on earth today that teach faith in Jesus (Some of my BEST friends are baptist & pentacostal) However, we believe that Christ has restored His church as He founded it on earth through a living prophet. LDS 'mormons" ARE Christian. (Even if some deny it) -God bless!
And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory. - Ephesians 1:13-14
Please read your bible and put your faith in Jesus. He is the only one who will be able to save you on judgement day. No temple ritual or MAN made church can do it.
GZZZIZZZEEEEZZZZZ luves the masonic troll "chuch" who jails true prophet and offers fake ones. refuses the only atonement, and promotes a fake one. refuses healthy and upbuilding teaching for fake ass bullshit. ITS A HUGE RACKET THAT ONLY WORKS WHEN U HAVE AS MUCH SPACE AS THE MORMON TROLLS. and masonic judges and cops to protect them. FUCK THOSE CLOWNS:
This is good! Draw on human emotions, play them up to their fullest and avoid at all costs any real discussion of truth, accuracy, and evidence. You will win converts faster than Joel Osteen, Benny Hinn and Joyce Meyer combined. Get the girls crying, feed the boys some supper, and help an old woman across the street; great tactics. If they ask you about evidence just smile and tell them you have to go now. Book the next appointment and get out fast. Invite them to church; that's a winner.
I notice that LDS is sold as a social club. An extended family. A route to happiness. Those things are great. I wish them joy. But can't it be done without the overlay of fiction they call theology?
As they say...Nothing sweeps cleaner than a new broom... if you're not sure what that means in this context... there's no-one more animated or energised than a convert! It amazes me to this day how people would always defend a belief irrespective of the historical fact-based and organised information dutifully recorded and made available.
Poor naive black guy. I wonder if he knows what the "prophet" Brigham Young said about his kind and if he knows that the church didn't allow blacks to hold the preisthoood till 1978?
Apparently the black guy doesn't know they didn't allow blacks to the church till the 70s lol I know the church is not true lol read the bible people in fact you don't need read all of it you can find references on why the church Is not true and look for yourself but it is good to read it all then read the book of Mormon
bdplist, You need a job, or do you have the gov. pay for everything including that computer your using? Get a life and life your own. Your lucky to be free, You have no idea how good you have it, if you knew how other people lived you wouldnt be wasting your time here doing what your doing
I really have to question who the gullible ones are. You have all cited information that you have found on the internet (if its on the internet, it must be true!), or what you have heard that Mormons believe. Don't you do any research on your own and, heaven forbid, ask a Mormon what they really believe instead of assuming what your pastor told you was real or reading what an ex-Mormon with an axe to grind blogged about?
@TheMarkRK let me ask a true mormon then about joseph smith ur prophet. I read on the internet that he married teen age girls..is that true? i also read that he married women that were already married..is that also true? i also read online that he was convicted of being a stone seer..is that true? i also read that he drank wine and shot ppl while in jail..is that true? i also read that mormons believe that lucifer is jesus brother..is that true? i also read that mormons baptized the dead..true?
@mytv80 Thanks for the questions. However, I don't think that you are truly interested in the history of Joseph Smith. Your agenda is showing. But if am wrong, I would recommend this site to you: beta(dot)josephsmithpapers(dot)org. This is a NHCRP endorsed project to collect all things Joseph Smith and publish them. I would recommend this site for historical facts about Joseph Smith.
To your point, do I believe that Joseph Smith was an imperfect man and yet still a prophet: Yes.
@TheMarkRK i know polygamist joe's history that's why i said 'i read'. i asked u if it was true or not but u gave 2 separate replies with no answers. instead u point me to more 'internet sites' which you didn't agree with in the first place & stated that the 'gullible' ppl read fr it but here u are instructing me to go read fr one. i didn't mention anything about 'imperfect'. i asked if he did those things i read. u said 'ask a Mormon', i did, i asked u but u couldn't aswer. u are a true mormon!
@themark your point well taken that you "believe that Joseph Smith was an imperfect man and yet still a prophet". killing ppl, marrying teen girls, marrying married women, criminal convictions, burning building, swindling ppl out of their money, lying etc. those acts would i think qualify as actions of an 'imperfect man' but then again who are we to judge. what actions then would not qualify a person to be a 'mormon prophet'??
@mytv80 I answered your questions. 500 characters cannot do what I believe justice. Those videos and sites I referred you to are an accurate reflection of my beliefs. The problem with only looking at what Joseph's enemies have said is that you get a distorted view of the truth. The JS Papers Project is a scholarly work by both LDS and Non-LDS that encompasses both the good and the bad. If truth be your quest, then you would be well served getting a complete picture of the man you judge.
@TheMarkRK yes u answered by directing me to another site and YT vids. u need less that 500 char to answer yes or no. most of the information i know about polygamist joe & mormonism is fr your own mormon history documented by your own apostles & members. mormons considers everyone their 'enemy' when they report mormonism in a neg way they only reported the truth. if you considered Joe imperfect, what was his imperfections? when did i judge your 'prophet'?..u keep saying that..haha.
@mytv80 Heaven help us all if at the Judgement Day we are to be judged the same way that you judged Joseph Smith by relying on what his enemies thought of him.
I invite you to hear what a LDS Prophets and Apostles are teaching their followers. You can hear this morning live at 10 AM MDT. After hearing for yourself the actual words from their mouth, then you can judge all you want. lds.org/general-conference/watch?lang=eng
@TheMark again when did i judge Joe? u keep sayin his 'enemies', who do u consider his enemies? the ppl that say he was a polygamist?..but he was. that ppl reported that he married teen girls?..but he did. the ppl that reported that he was convicted of being a stone seer?..but he was convicted. the ppl that reported that he swindled ppl out of their money fr the failed bank?..but he did steal money. the ppl that reported he shot & killed ppl while jailed?..he did. That's true history & facts.
@mytv80 You have brought out historical facts. As you know, there are always at least two sides to every story, especially where disagreements between people exist. You have done well to show negative things Joseph Smith did or is said to have done.
In the interest of fairness, can you name any of the positive things he accomplished, even things which were deemed as miraculous, which are also corroborated by multiple witnesses?
@TheMarkRK 2 sides to every story? haha!. what kind of stupid statement is that? it's like me bringing up hilter and saying he killed a million jews..then u say.."well u do know there's at least two sides to every story & there's alwasys gna be disagreement between ppl". are you stupid? tell me the good things hitler did? does it outweigh the evils he did? "miracles corroborated by witnesses"? yesterday i found a gold books & it was witnessed by my brother & mom. I guess it's true my mom saw it!
@mytv80 I am sorry that you have this view. Your knowledge of Joseph Smith is nothing more than trivial anti-Mormon rhetoric. It's your right to believe as you do and if you believe that everything you said is free of hyperbole and paints an accurate picture of history, then I can't accuse of bearing false witness, at least knowingly.
This conversation has run its course. Good day, mytv80, and God bless.
For those who wish to do their homework before passing judgement: josephsmithpapers org
@TheMarkRK no need to be sorry. everyone knows the true story of Joseph Smith the "prophet". ..well except the mormons...and if they did know all the evil things he'd done...some could care less. that's the way that goes..ppl believe what they wanna believe inspite of truth. All the things i've mentioned are FACTS & ppl can do their own research. A good place to start is wwwutlm dot org.
For those who wants to know the facts about mormonism go to that site. they have articles & vids.
@mytv80 Wow, OK, couldn't let that one go, so one more post from me on the subject. The truth comes out about where you get your "facts" from. The UTLM was founded by the Tanner's; two of the most outspoken, yet discredited anti-Mormons around. If you want the whole truth and LDS scholars responses to UTML claims, check out fairlds org. If you want to continue to believe that the only your perspective is right, keep on keeping on, brother.
@TheMarkRK u were the one who said "this conversation has run its course" & u tellin me i couldn't let one go? how many 'good byes' are u gna post? Haha! mormons! "the truth comes out about where u get ur facts"? HAHA! was it somehow hidden? did i lie about it or deny it? u r dumb dude! outspoken yet discredited? by whom? let me guess LDS scholars? Ahaha! tell me mormon, what did the Tanners claim about ur cult that was wrong? mormons got big "claims" without a shred of evidence, thats a FACT!
@TubeNumber1USA yt doesn't lend well to this type of dialogue. Go to Maxwell institute and search for yourself if. You owe it to yourself to find out what truths these well intentioned, yet intentionally deceptive people have done.
@TubeNumber1USA Also a quote in an open letter in regards to the Tanners: "A non-Mormon historian who has spent many years studying Mormonism recently commented that the Tanners choose only the most negative evidence to portray the "reality" of Mormonism and its history, while ignoring evidence or entire issues that do not support their interpretations."
If you have ever read their work, it is not difficult to see the truth of that assessment.
@TubeNumber1USA Are you suggesting that someone would stake their professional career as a historian to show personal bias for a religion they don't believe in? R - I - D - I - C - U - L - O - U - S. Many schools have scholarly history chairs in Mormon history. They examine both the good and the bad, but in historical context. The Tanners are NOT historians.
They blatantly ignore evidence that disproves their argument. That, my friend, is PERSONAL BIAS that does not withstand scrutiny
@TubeNumber1USA Paul was preaching to the early church. But aside from that, Joseph Smith taught the everlasting gospel of Jesus Christ, not a different gospel. Read Revelation 14:6.
@TubeNumber1USA Go reread the Bible's teaching on salvation. We're saved by grace through faith and that same faith is dead without works. James 2. Read Mark 16:16 and John 3:5. Baptism is considered a work and those who aren't baptized cannot enter the kingdom of God.
@EpiDemic117 lol i am far from angry. your ignorance is amusing. I love my neighbour i love you and every person who persucutes me. "now im going to use that agaist every mormon fagot i see!" lool your very funny. u couldnt be christian because in matthew is states "You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven." So in conclusion i will pray for you.
@TubeNumber1USA what about repentance? repentance is a working process. say im addicted to having sex with my girl friend, then i realize thats wrong and i want to repent...the next time me and my girlfriend are alone in the house, and my hormones go crazy and i get super "horny"....i DONT have sex with her. we go out and do something else. thats an example of repentance..a changed heart. i agree with you about what Jesus said to the Pharisees,,,,but i dont think you should hate on us
@TubeNumber1USA the bible wasnt mistranslated that bad. king james's scribes translated it the best they could...the only problem is that people mis interpreted the bible or only picked out certain things they like and started their own churches...thats why there are so many different denominations on the earth today...and they all teach different things...if they dont teach different things, then why dont you join another denomination?
@TubeNumber1USA first of all you dumb FUCK! the mormon church was never responsible for the MMM,and second of all our history shows that early history of our church your cronies stomped on our rights for religious freedoms,andalot of members of the church back in the `1800 were innocently raped,murdered and severely beaten because they were mormon,and thirdly you havnt presented any truth just more of your false accusations get your shit straight before you look like a fucken dumb ass!
@TubeNumber1USA they appologized so people like you to stop whinning about it when we had no part in it, like you,we werent responsible for any of it as you accuse us of,yes some members in the church were involved but the church and its leaders had no involvement in it in any way,Joseph Smith was falsely arrested 37 times,you obviously know little to nothing about the mormons so stop telling us what we believe.
@mytv80 As for the question about Jesus and Satan, I would recommend this video: watch?v=GvIgUE7EjbI. It is geared towards kids, so sorry for the hokey pictures and what not, but it does a good job explaining what we believe about our pre-mortal existence.
As for Baptism for the Dead, I would recommend this watch?v=7om1Hs0qs54. It includes a Lutheran priest talking about the Mormon practice.
LDS (Morman) "Church" = FAKE Christian Church!!!! Beware of this Anti-Christ-Cult!!! Their leaders are Wolves in Sheeps Clothing, they Follow a False Prophet, They REALLY WANT YOUR "TITHING MONEY" and for you to go to Hell! They have racist teachings in their Doctrine & History(especially against blacks), They Are Liars!!1& Into Masonic Rituals & Occultism, they are the original KKK
Journal of Joseph Lee Robinson, October 6, 1854 said that In the October conference, Young clarified that ADAM and Eve were "natural father and mother of EVERY SPIRIT that comes to this planet, or that receives tabernacles on this planet, consequently we are brother and sisters, and that ADAM was God, our Eternal Father.
He (Joseph Smith) taught us that God was the great head of the human procreation--was really and truly the father of BOTH our SPIRITS and our BODIES. (Letter from Benjamin F. Johnson private secretary & personal friend of the prophet to George S. Gibbs)
CERTAINLY Brigham was NOT UNDERSTOOD as all of his counselors understood & believed his ADAM GOD DOCTRINE
"I have learned by experience that there is but one God that pertains to this people, and He is the God that pertains to this earth--the FIRST MAN. That FIRST MAN sent his OWN Son to redeem the world, to redeem his brethren; his life was taken, his blood shed, that our sins might be remitted." (Heber C. Kimball Journal of Discourses 4:1).
What testimonies?! Entirely based upon emotions and feelings. The book of mormon contradicts the Bible and is historically false. So what, the members of its "church" are nice. This cult leads to the path of death.
"When our father ADAM came into the GARDEN of Eden, he came into it with a CELESTIAL BODY, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is MICHAEL, the Archangel, the ANCIENT OF DAYS! about whom holy men have written and spoken—He is our FATHER and our GOD, and the only God with whom WE have to do. Every man upon the earth, professing Christians or non-professing, must hear it, and will know it sooner or later" Young 1852 JoD p50
@bdplist Finally you posted it. I'm guessing you don't know much about grammar. If you did you'd know when Brigham goes from talking about the Adam of the garden to the 2nd "Adam", Jesus Christ. Take a few english classes and then come back and read what Brigham said so you'll be able to understand what his statement says since you don't understand it right now.
“ADAM is OUR Father and God. HE IS THE GOD OF THE EARTH. So says Brigham Young. ADAM is the great archangel of this creation. He is Michael. He is the Ancient of Days. HE IS THE FATHER OF OUR ELDER BROTHER, JESUS CHRIST....” ( Edward Tullidge (quoting Brigham Young), Women of Mormondom, p. 179, 1877)
@bdplist If Brigham was referring to the Adam in the garden then it would be the same way Christ, in Exodus, says Moses is the god of Pharaoh. As I stated in another post, the Bible has it where people call their ancestors their father. Adam of the garden was put on earth before Christ was making Adam Christ's earthly ancestor but not spiritual ancestor.
@bdplist As I said and as you've shown, people, members of the church including prophets, usually do not understand what Brigham was saying. And it says "Adam came into the garden" not "Adam God". I keep explaining to you the error of your statements because you do not comprehend what this subject is about. You are ignorant to what others say.
@majinish ADAM came with ONE of his wives and he came with a CELESTIAL BODY therefore according to mormonISM he was a resurrected being! DUH!
NOW I thought we needed prophets to CLEARly expound the scriptures but now we find that the LDS "prophet" caused so much confusion that there are still followers of Smith that Worship Adam
The 1915 & 1916 General Conferences had more than a few talks that sought to replace the OLD ADAM GOD doctrine with the new Jehovah Elohim doctrine
@bdplist I already told you how you don't understand what he said or what the scriptures say. I didn't make an excuse. I referenced verses from the Bible. He and the other Prophets were true Prophets of God. They're not exclusively LDS Prophets. They are the Prophets of God for all the world, you included.
minutes of meeting of the Quorum of Twelve in which it was recorded: "It was Joseph's DOCTRINE that ADAM was God…God comes to earth and eats and partakes of fruit. Joseph could not reveal what was revealed to him, and if Joseph had it revealed, he was not told to reveal it"
Stop Prevaricating - Words mean something and I dont need MORMON EARS to hear what was being said. I know how to read dont be foolish.
“When our Father ADAM came into the Garden of Eden . . . He is Michael, the archangel, the Ancient Of Days. . . he is our Father and OUR God, and the Only God with whom we have to do”
(Gen. Conf., Journal of Discourses, 1:50-51, 1854)
@bdplist Not exactly. There's some grammar used you conveniently left out. Also, since Adam was the first man that would make him our ancestor. People in the Bible called their male ancestors their father. You take what Brigham said completely out of context.
(D&C 88:35) will allow Satan to lead “them by the neck with a flaxen cord, until he bindeth them with his strong cords forever” (2 Nephi 26:22) unless the spirit of repentance enters their hearts.
But a bad conscience is a blessing in that we immediately are reminded that it is time to repent. When we are humble and desire to do what is right, we will be anxious to act promptly to change our ways, while those who are proud and who may seek “to become a law unto [themselves]”
@bdplist Brigham was referring to more than one Adam. The one of he garden of Eden, the other being Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 15 starting with verse 45 calls Christ the second Adam. Brigham was speaking just how the scriptures do. Since Jesus Christ is the 2nd Adam and is the Son of God then that could result in calling God the Father an "Adam" as well. The Adam-God thing is something a lot of people, as you proved, misunderstand and shows their lack of knowledge of scriptures.
He said "ADAM IS the FATHER of our spirits" so obviously Brigham thought that ADAM was heavenly Father
Woodruff said BY said "God WAS Father ADAM"!
He said that our God WAS Father Adam. He was the Father of the Savior Jesus Christ--Our God was no more or less than Adam . . . Michael the Archangel (Wilford Woodruff - Journal, Feb 19. 1854)
In addition there are documents that show that LDS WORSHIPPED ADAM
@bdplist Wrong. Adam in that case is a name-title, not a name. Even apostles have misunderstood what Brigham said because it seems to say one thing but it doesn't say what you claim. The church has never worshiped the Adam of the garden. We worship the 2nd "Adam" which is Jesus Christ, the spiritual "Adam". Again, Brigham was not saying the Adam of he garden is God the Father. You worship "Adam" as well being the 2nd "Adam" which is Jesus Christ.
@bdplist No it doesn't. I didn't say title. I didn't say name. I said name-title. That's not the same thing. When 1 Corinthians refers to Christ as Adam it is using the name Adam as a name-title.
I'm speaking about the Mormon opposition to gay marriage. My feeling is that it does not matter what your religion (and I truly mean that). If your expression of that belief leads you to practice exclusion, something needs to be examined.
The Holy Ghost is manifested to men and women on the earth both as the power and as the gift of the Holy Ghost. The power can come upon a person before baptism; it is the convincing witness that Jesus Christ is our Savior and Redeemer.
Mitt Romney affirmed the centrality of his Mormon beliefs during an interview Tuesday on CNN's Piers Morgan Tonight show.
Morgan initiated a conversation with Romney about religion by showing his guest a recorded clip from the 2008 presidential campaign wherein Romney said, "I believe in my Mormon faith. ... Some believe that such a confession of my faith will sink my candidacy. If they're right, so be it."
WHY did he want to know if there was more than ONE in March 1838?
God shall give you knowledge by his Holy Spirit . . . A TIME TO COME in the which nothing shall be withheld, whether there be ONE God or MANY gods, they shall be manifest (D& C 121:26,28)
It is Obvious that the First VeRSION is a BIG FISH STORY!
“But even if we or an angel from heaven (moroni) should preach to you a gospel other than what we have preached to you, curse be on him!” Galatians 1:6-9 Morman’s are not prepared for the coming apocalypse, Huge Sorrow will be to the morman who refuse to see the truth, You have been warned your fall will be great. Read the BIBLE ONLY!
THE BOOK OF MORMON CONTRADICTS THE BIBLE!! God is perfect He does not contradict Himself, the Mormon book is a lie, Mormons WAKE UP and read the bible.
"I have always and in all congregations when I have preached on the subject of the Deity, it has been the plurality of Gods. It has been preached by the Elders for fifteen years. I have always declared God to be a distinct personage--Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and or Spirit, and these three constitute three distinct personages and THREE Gods'. Teachings prophet J Smith 1844
@bdplist Wrong little man. We believe in God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. You believe they are one single god, the man-made version of the trinity. The biblical version doesn't teach that at all, they're 3 separate beings of one purpose. You're a traditional christian & I use the term "christian" loosely. We're what you call true christians.
Prophets dont teach that the Father & Son were the same personage (ONE God) in 1830 then change to two personages after 1830 followed by multiple Gods with THREE GODS for LDS in 1844
@bdplist He never changed it. Saying Joseph Smith was a fraud is like saying Moses was a fraud. Joseph Smith was a true prophet of the Lord. You denying it doesn't mean he wasn't, it just shows your ignorance.
@bdplist Facts are what are true which is exactly what I've been saying. The Book of Mormon doesn't even say they're one person. It might if you misinterpret it but if you understand it then you'd know you're wrong. Sounds more like you're desperate to disprove a true prophet of the Lord.
@bdplist Fact the Book of Mormon doesn't give the account of Joseph Smith seeing God the Father and Jesus Christ. Before you say anything else make sure you know what comes from where so you're not using the wrong book. :) Denying a messenger of the Lord is your problem. Hope you have your excuses ready for judgment day.
While the BoM does not mention the first vErsion (joe had not invented it yet in 1830), it does mention the Father & the Son and when it does it says they are the SAME PERSON can you explain why Joe wrote this after he supposedly saw TWO personages 7 years earlier?
@bdplist Do you always take people's words out of context like you do the Bible? We Mormons, TRUE christians, worship the Lord Jesus Christ and teach His gospel. So you deny Joseph Smith, Abraham, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel, & the others as prophets of the Lord.
@majinish Do you TRUE LDS also Worship the Father?
That would be FALSE IDOLATROUS worship of TWO LDS "gods"
"THREE separate personages -Father, Son, and Holy Ghost- comprise the Godhead. As EACH of these persons is A God, it is evident that a PLURALITY of GodS exists. To us, speaking in the proper finite sense, these THREE are the only GodS WE WORSHIP"
Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, "Plurality of Gods"
Since the Apostle says Each of the THREE are "A GOD" which of the THREE do you worship?
@majinish I was indoctrinated from the time I was a child that Joseph Smith was a prophet, too. If you repeat something over and over... "I know the church is true, I know Joseph Smith was a prophet", you will believe it.
That's why the military prefers to enlist young men, they are very pliable and easy to indoctrinate. I found my way out of Mormonism without losing my faith in God and you can too.
@eeikman No thanks. I prefer to stay on the right path and not go away from the gospel of Jesus Christ just as you have. The church is true. I don't believe it because I say it, I believe it because I know it. Unlike you, I will not turn my back on the Lord.
@majinish Becoming a Christian is not turning your back to God. They have convinced you that if the LDS faith is not true, then nothing is true. Instead of negative things, look up. "Lady of Guadalupe" , where a single miracle converted 6 million Mexican natives to Christ's teachings. It's a big, spiritually diverse world out there, kid.
@eeikman I am a christian. And turning my back on the church Jesus Christ put on the earth would be turning my back on Jesus Christ. We Mormons aren't "traditional" christians like everyone else, we're true christians. As I said, I prefer to stay on the right path, being a TRUE christian, and following the Jesus Christ of scriptures, not the one created by tradition.
@majinish Ravi Zacharias was invited to speak at the SLC Tabernacle, so he has a good reputation with your church. Do a youtube search for: Ravi Zacharias Trinity Though troubled and splintered, Christendom, at it's core, has always been a monotheistic religion.
@majinish All of this I say in love. When mormons call themselves christians they are spitting in the face of christians. Why dont you guys call yourselves muslims or something else. The Christian chruch has officially renounced your doctrine and rejects Joseph Smith as a man of God. A few generations ago mormons wouldnt be caught dead calling themselves christian.I know christian is just a word. But it signifies those that believe that Jesus is the one true God and the only way to salvation.
@pedroelcarvron We call ourselves Christians because that's what we are. If you don't like it that's your problem. Who cares if traditional Christians do things? I don't. The problem with your statement is you cannot renounce another faith's doctrine, especially when you're denouncing the church Jesus Christ put on the earth. Joseph Smith was a man of God.
@pedroelcarvron My best guess as to why they didn't call themselves christians then is because how "christians", and I use that term loosely with those in history, treated others. They killed, raped, tortured, tarred & feathered, & did other things to the early LDS-Christians. We call ourselves Christians because that's what we are. We are the LDS-Christians.
@pedroelcarvron "those that believe that Jesus is the one true God" Please read the Bible. John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
John 17:3 is Jesus Christ praying to God the Father and acknowledging Him, God the Father, as the one true God. Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And we know Jesus Christ is the only way to obtain salvation. Again, we are Christians.
How do you justify this logic? .I know im not going to change your mind. But the differences in christianity and mormonsim are astronical. I have been honestly trying to understand mormonism, and through that i have discovered that you the bible and the book of mormon cannot both be true. Mormons do not worship the same God I do. I will continue to study mormonism. I plan on reading the book of mormon soon. What version of it do you recomend?
So if the LDS believe that there are many good churches, why should one join the LDS faith?
You say that "we believe that Christ has restored His church as he founded it on earth through a living prophet", then logically the LDS Church should mirror exactly the church as described in the book of Acts, correct? Please clarify.
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Those men look mighty handsome, Minister Louis Faracon, President Obama, and the Islamic nation so called church of jesus christ unhand my men, the women too! You a liar and a crook, and a bunch of sex perverts!
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LOOK UP "TESTIMONY OF A MORMON BISHOP ON HEART OF THE MATTER".
IT WILL BLOW YOUR MIND!
123adrspain 2 weeks ago
I am a proud Mormon. But since I am black, I'm not allowed to eat at the adults table. I have to use the service entrance. Jesus came to America in 1981 and taught the lost Indians tribe how to play blackjack and drink. I worship a dog named Jeckyl and a cat name Moroni! Mormon! I go to BYU and I'm majoring in tree trimming.
zoetropez76 1 month ago
"The Savior" as the speaker at the beginning of this video calls him and "His church", does that mean Mormons or Christians? Or are they one and the same?
MrAlanarns 1 month ago
@MrAlanarns
Yes! He is talking about our Savior, Jesus Christ. The same Jesus we can learn about in the Bible; the living Son of God!
When the speaker says "His church"... Latter-Day Saints believe there are many good churches on earth today that teach faith in Jesus (Some of my BEST friends are baptist & pentacostal) However, we believe that Christ has restored His church as He founded it on earth through a living prophet. LDS 'mormons" ARE Christian. (Even if some deny it) -God bless!
LDSTrueDoctrine 4 weeks ago 2
And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory. - Ephesians 1:13-14
Please read your bible and put your faith in Jesus. He is the only one who will be able to save you on judgement day. No temple ritual or MAN made church can do it.
bluebells128612 3 months ago
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What must a person do to be saved in the Kingdom of Heaven? Is baptism necessary?
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A break
Miss Universe Is Black , I am happy for the election.
and I am an LDS.
dorisfenella 3 months ago
Penis, yes thats right, penis.
MultiJake83 3 months ago 2
GZZZIZZZEEEEZZZZZ luves the masonic troll "chuch" who jails true prophet and offers fake ones. refuses the only atonement, and promotes a fake one. refuses healthy and upbuilding teaching for fake ass bullshit. ITS A HUGE RACKET THAT ONLY WORKS WHEN U HAVE AS MUCH SPACE AS THE MORMON TROLLS. and masonic judges and cops to protect them. FUCK THOSE CLOWNS:
markuslebt 4 months ago 2
This is good! Draw on human emotions, play them up to their fullest and avoid at all costs any real discussion of truth, accuracy, and evidence. You will win converts faster than Joel Osteen, Benny Hinn and Joyce Meyer combined. Get the girls crying, feed the boys some supper, and help an old woman across the street; great tactics. If they ask you about evidence just smile and tell them you have to go now. Book the next appointment and get out fast. Invite them to church; that's a winner.
freestanding1000 4 months ago
I believe in a living prophet , Thomas S Nonsense and swear Joseph Smith saw Jesus in america.
kramd1 5 months ago
i see an african american @ 2:34 . wasnt LDS racist or something or so i heard...? Excuse me for eventual misunderstaning (not intended)
photogeen 8 months ago
I'am exmormon mormon destory my life
woodcchuck2020 8 months ago
Awesome testimonies from converts into Jesus Christ's church.
majinish 8 months ago
I notice that LDS is sold as a social club. An extended family. A route to happiness. Those things are great. I wish them joy. But can't it be done without the overlay of fiction they call theology?
MightyCarnac 8 months ago
God bless you for sharing your testimony here with us.
RestoChristian 8 months ago
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TubeNumber1USA 8 months ago
Momons are nuts
Anointed7 8 months ago
As they say...Nothing sweeps cleaner than a new broom... if you're not sure what that means in this context... there's no-one more animated or energised than a convert! It amazes me to this day how people would always defend a belief irrespective of the historical fact-based and organised information dutifully recorded and made available.
54v115 9 months ago
Poor naive black guy. I wonder if he knows what the "prophet" Brigham Young said about his kind and if he knows that the church didn't allow blacks to hold the preisthoood till 1978?
crazy456eyes 9 months ago
Apparently the black guy doesn't know they didn't allow blacks to the church till the 70s lol I know the church is not true lol read the bible people in fact you don't need read all of it you can find references on why the church Is not true and look for yourself but it is good to read it all then read the book of Mormon
bobbyraejohnson 10 months ago
I am a Mormon, and life is good!
b2101058 10 months ago
bdplist, You need a job, or do you have the gov. pay for everything including that computer your using? Get a life and life your own. Your lucky to be free, You have no idea how good you have it, if you knew how other people lived you wouldnt be wasting your time here doing what your doing
bradbb311 10 months ago
@bradbb311 I have a job the LDs church pays me to strengthen the beliefs of members.
Problem is they pay in Kirtland Safety Society Notes ; )
bdplist 10 months ago
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In 1857, B. Young declared that apostates would "become .. black,.." (Journal of Discourses 5:332).
Mormonism and Christianity are totally DIFFERENT!
Mormonism is an 1800s racist man made religion.
If Mormons want to become Christians, there is good news! You still can be...
rickgigliotti 11 months ago
Count me a happy, gullible Mormon!
I really have to question who the gullible ones are. You have all cited information that you have found on the internet (if its on the internet, it must be true!), or what you have heard that Mormons believe. Don't you do any research on your own and, heaven forbid, ask a Mormon what they really believe instead of assuming what your pastor told you was real or reading what an ex-Mormon with an axe to grind blogged about?
My name is Mark, and I'm a Mormon.
TheMarkRK 11 months ago 2
@TheMarkRK let me ask a true mormon then about joseph smith ur prophet. I read on the internet that he married teen age girls..is that true? i also read that he married women that were already married..is that also true? i also read online that he was convicted of being a stone seer..is that true? i also read that he drank wine and shot ppl while in jail..is that true? i also read that mormons believe that lucifer is jesus brother..is that true? i also read that mormons baptized the dead..true?
mytv80 10 months ago
@mytv80 Thanks for the questions. However, I don't think that you are truly interested in the history of Joseph Smith. Your agenda is showing. But if am wrong, I would recommend this site to you: beta(dot)josephsmithpapers(dot)org. This is a NHCRP endorsed project to collect all things Joseph Smith and publish them. I would recommend this site for historical facts about Joseph Smith.
To your point, do I believe that Joseph Smith was an imperfect man and yet still a prophet: Yes.
TheMarkRK 10 months ago
@TheMarkRK i know polygamist joe's history that's why i said 'i read'. i asked u if it was true or not but u gave 2 separate replies with no answers. instead u point me to more 'internet sites' which you didn't agree with in the first place & stated that the 'gullible' ppl read fr it but here u are instructing me to go read fr one. i didn't mention anything about 'imperfect'. i asked if he did those things i read. u said 'ask a Mormon', i did, i asked u but u couldn't aswer. u are a true mormon!
mytv80 10 months ago
@themark your point well taken that you "believe that Joseph Smith was an imperfect man and yet still a prophet". killing ppl, marrying teen girls, marrying married women, criminal convictions, burning building, swindling ppl out of their money, lying etc. those acts would i think qualify as actions of an 'imperfect man' but then again who are we to judge. what actions then would not qualify a person to be a 'mormon prophet'??
mytv80 10 months ago
@mytv80 I answered your questions. 500 characters cannot do what I believe justice. Those videos and sites I referred you to are an accurate reflection of my beliefs. The problem with only looking at what Joseph's enemies have said is that you get a distorted view of the truth. The JS Papers Project is a scholarly work by both LDS and Non-LDS that encompasses both the good and the bad. If truth be your quest, then you would be well served getting a complete picture of the man you judge.
TheMarkRK 10 months ago
@TheMarkRK yes u answered by directing me to another site and YT vids. u need less that 500 char to answer yes or no. most of the information i know about polygamist joe & mormonism is fr your own mormon history documented by your own apostles & members. mormons considers everyone their 'enemy' when they report mormonism in a neg way they only reported the truth. if you considered Joe imperfect, what was his imperfections? when did i judge your 'prophet'?..u keep saying that..haha.
mytv80 10 months ago
@mytv80 Heaven help us all if at the Judgement Day we are to be judged the same way that you judged Joseph Smith by relying on what his enemies thought of him.
I invite you to hear what a LDS Prophets and Apostles are teaching their followers. You can hear this morning live at 10 AM MDT. After hearing for yourself the actual words from their mouth, then you can judge all you want. lds.org/general-conference/watch?lang=eng
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mytv80 10 months ago
@TheMark again when did i judge Joe? u keep sayin his 'enemies', who do u consider his enemies? the ppl that say he was a polygamist?..but he was. that ppl reported that he married teen girls?..but he did. the ppl that reported that he was convicted of being a stone seer?..but he was convicted. the ppl that reported that he swindled ppl out of their money fr the failed bank?..but he did steal money. the ppl that reported he shot & killed ppl while jailed?..he did. That's true history & facts.
mytv80 10 months ago
@mytv80 You have brought out historical facts. As you know, there are always at least two sides to every story, especially where disagreements between people exist. You have done well to show negative things Joseph Smith did or is said to have done.
In the interest of fairness, can you name any of the positive things he accomplished, even things which were deemed as miraculous, which are also corroborated by multiple witnesses?
TheMarkRK 10 months ago
@TheMarkRK 2 sides to every story? haha!. what kind of stupid statement is that? it's like me bringing up hilter and saying he killed a million jews..then u say.."well u do know there's at least two sides to every story & there's alwasys gna be disagreement between ppl". are you stupid? tell me the good things hitler did? does it outweigh the evils he did? "miracles corroborated by witnesses"? yesterday i found a gold books & it was witnessed by my brother & mom. I guess it's true my mom saw it!
mytv80 10 months ago
@mytv80 I am sorry that you have this view. Your knowledge of Joseph Smith is nothing more than trivial anti-Mormon rhetoric. It's your right to believe as you do and if you believe that everything you said is free of hyperbole and paints an accurate picture of history, then I can't accuse of bearing false witness, at least knowingly.
This conversation has run its course. Good day, mytv80, and God bless.
For those who wish to do their homework before passing judgement: josephsmithpapers org
TheMarkRK 10 months ago
@TheMarkRK no need to be sorry. everyone knows the true story of Joseph Smith the "prophet". ..well except the mormons...and if they did know all the evil things he'd done...some could care less. that's the way that goes..ppl believe what they wanna believe inspite of truth. All the things i've mentioned are FACTS & ppl can do their own research. A good place to start is wwwutlm dot org.
For those who wants to know the facts about mormonism go to that site. they have articles & vids.
mytv80 10 months ago
@mytv80 Wow, OK, couldn't let that one go, so one more post from me on the subject. The truth comes out about where you get your "facts" from. The UTLM was founded by the Tanner's; two of the most outspoken, yet discredited anti-Mormons around. If you want the whole truth and LDS scholars responses to UTML claims, check out fairlds org. If you want to continue to believe that the only your perspective is right, keep on keeping on, brother.
Thanks for tipping your hat on your intel. Love.
TheMarkRK 10 months ago
@TheMarkRK u were the one who said "this conversation has run its course" & u tellin me i couldn't let one go? how many 'good byes' are u gna post? Haha! mormons! "the truth comes out about where u get ur facts"? HAHA! was it somehow hidden? did i lie about it or deny it? u r dumb dude! outspoken yet discredited? by whom? let me guess LDS scholars? Ahaha! tell me mormon, what did the Tanners claim about ur cult that was wrong? mormons got big "claims" without a shred of evidence, thats a FACT!
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@TubeNumber1USA maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/search/?fulltext=jerald+tanner&search=Go
TheMarkRK 8 months ago
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TubeNumber1USA 8 months ago
@TubeNumber1USA yt doesn't lend well to this type of dialogue. Go to Maxwell institute and search for yourself if. You owe it to yourself to find out what truths these well intentioned, yet intentionally deceptive people have done.
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TubeNumber1USA 8 months ago
@TubeNumber1USA Also a quote in an open letter in regards to the Tanners: "A non-Mormon historian who has spent many years studying Mormonism recently commented that the Tanners choose only the most negative evidence to portray the "reality" of Mormonism and its history, while ignoring evidence or entire issues that do not support their interpretations."
If you have ever read their work, it is not difficult to see the truth of that assessment.
TheMarkRK 8 months ago
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TubeNumber1USA 8 months ago
@TubeNumber1USA Are you suggesting that someone would stake their professional career as a historian to show personal bias for a religion they don't believe in? R - I - D - I - C - U - L - O - U - S. Many schools have scholarly history chairs in Mormon history. They examine both the good and the bad, but in historical context. The Tanners are NOT historians.
They blatantly ignore evidence that disproves their argument. That, my friend, is PERSONAL BIAS that does not withstand scrutiny
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TubeNumber1USA 8 months ago
@TubeNumber1USA Paul was preaching to the early church. But aside from that, Joseph Smith taught the everlasting gospel of Jesus Christ, not a different gospel. Read Revelation 14:6.
majinish 8 months ago
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TubeNumber1USA 8 months ago
@TubeNumber1USA Go reread the Bible's teaching on salvation. We're saved by grace through faith and that same faith is dead without works. James 2. Read Mark 16:16 and John 3:5. Baptism is considered a work and those who aren't baptized cannot enter the kingdom of God.
majinish 8 months ago
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TubeNumber1USA 8 months ago
@TubeNumber1USA So you don't believe in baptism. It's a work after all.
majinish 8 months ago
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TubeNumber1USA 8 months ago
@TubeNumber1USA Jesus is the man of the year.
EpiDemic117 8 months ago
@TubeNumber1USA Yes, baptism is a work. And we follow Jesus Christ's teachings.
majinish 8 months ago
@TubeNumber1USA i like that term! 'whitewash" Now im going to use that against every mormon fagot i see!
EpiDemic117 8 months ago
@EpiDemic117 you are fueld by hate
nevascared123 7 months ago
@nevascared123 your just mad cuz your religion is fake. Also hate is an awesome instrument if focused properly.
EpiDemic117 7 months ago
@EpiDemic117 lol i am far from angry. your ignorance is amusing. I love my neighbour i love you and every person who persucutes me. "now im going to use that agaist every mormon fagot i see!" lool your very funny. u couldnt be christian because in matthew is states "You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven." So in conclusion i will pray for you.
nevascared123 7 months ago
@nevascared123 there you go brother. love them all :D you inspire my testimony :)
Screamo2095 6 months ago
@TubeNumber1USA what about repentance? repentance is a working process. say im addicted to having sex with my girl friend, then i realize thats wrong and i want to repent...the next time me and my girlfriend are alone in the house, and my hormones go crazy and i get super "horny"....i DONT have sex with her. we go out and do something else. thats an example of repentance..a changed heart. i agree with you about what Jesus said to the Pharisees,,,,but i dont think you should hate on us
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TubeNumber1USA 8 months ago
@TubeNumber1USA the bible wasnt mistranslated that bad. king james's scribes translated it the best they could...the only problem is that people mis interpreted the bible or only picked out certain things they like and started their own churches...thats why there are so many different denominations on the earth today...and they all teach different things...if they dont teach different things, then why dont you join another denomination?
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TubeNumber1USA 8 months ago
@TubeNumber1USA first of all you dumb FUCK! the mormon church was never responsible for the MMM,and second of all our history shows that early history of our church your cronies stomped on our rights for religious freedoms,andalot of members of the church back in the `1800 were innocently raped,murdered and severely beaten because they were mormon,and thirdly you havnt presented any truth just more of your false accusations get your shit straight before you look like a fucken dumb ass!
getdownto311 6 months ago
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TubeNumber1USA 6 months ago
@TubeNumber1USA they appologized so people like you to stop whinning about it when we had no part in it, like you,we werent responsible for any of it as you accuse us of,yes some members in the church were involved but the church and its leaders had no involvement in it in any way,Joseph Smith was falsely arrested 37 times,you obviously know little to nothing about the mormons so stop telling us what we believe.
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TubeNumber1USA 6 months ago
@mytv80 As for the question about Jesus and Satan, I would recommend this video: watch?v=GvIgUE7EjbI. It is geared towards kids, so sorry for the hokey pictures and what not, but it does a good job explaining what we believe about our pre-mortal existence.
As for Baptism for the Dead, I would recommend this watch?v=7om1Hs0qs54. It includes a Lutheran priest talking about the Mormon practice.
TheMarkRK 10 months ago
Only the most gullible could ever fall for Mormonism.
fredrockt47 11 months ago
LDS (Morman) "Church" = FAKE Christian Church!!!! Beware of this Anti-Christ-Cult!!! Their leaders are Wolves in Sheeps Clothing, they Follow a False Prophet, They REALLY WANT YOUR "TITHING MONEY" and for you to go to Hell! They have racist teachings in their Doctrine & History(especially against blacks), They Are Liars!!1& Into Masonic Rituals & Occultism, they are the original KKK
Carmelo1323 11 months ago
IT was CLEAR to those that HEARD BY!
Journal of Joseph Lee Robinson, October 6, 1854 said that In the October conference, Young clarified that ADAM and Eve were "natural father and mother of EVERY SPIRIT that comes to this planet, or that receives tabernacles on this planet, consequently we are brother and sisters, and that ADAM was God, our Eternal Father.
bdplist 11 months ago
He (Joseph Smith) taught us that God was the great head of the human procreation--was really and truly the father of BOTH our SPIRITS and our BODIES. (Letter from Benjamin F. Johnson private secretary & personal friend of the prophet to George S. Gibbs)
bdplist 11 months ago
CERTAINLY Brigham was NOT UNDERSTOOD as all of his counselors understood & believed his ADAM GOD DOCTRINE
"I have learned by experience that there is but one God that pertains to this people, and He is the God that pertains to this earth--the FIRST MAN. That FIRST MAN sent his OWN Son to redeem the world, to redeem his brethren; his life was taken, his blood shed, that our sins might be remitted." (Heber C. Kimball Journal of Discourses 4:1).
bdplist 11 months ago
What testimonies?! Entirely based upon emotions and feelings. The book of mormon contradicts the Bible and is historically false. So what, the members of its "church" are nice. This cult leads to the path of death.
steve3871 11 months ago
CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT
ADAM "Came INTO" the GARDEN!
He came with a "CELESTIAL BODY"
He FATHERED Jesus WITH the Virgin Mary
He was the Father of "ALL our Spirits" upon this Earth
bdplist 11 months ago
"When our father ADAM came into the GARDEN of Eden, he came into it with a CELESTIAL BODY, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is MICHAEL, the Archangel, the ANCIENT OF DAYS! about whom holy men have written and spoken—He is our FATHER and our GOD, and the only God with whom WE have to do. Every man upon the earth, professing Christians or non-professing, must hear it, and will know it sooner or later" Young 1852 JoD p50
bdplist 11 months ago
@bdplist Finally you posted it. I'm guessing you don't know much about grammar. If you did you'd know when Brigham goes from talking about the Adam of the garden to the 2nd "Adam", Jesus Christ. Take a few english classes and then come back and read what Brigham said so you'll be able to understand what his statement says since you don't understand it right now.
majinish 11 months ago
@majinish Get real LOL
How about giving a lesson on English grammar
Can you sentence diagram the sentences for us?
List the nouns the objects the pronouns, predicates etc.
You be the teach we b da students OH BOY
bdplist 11 months ago
ANXIOUSLY awaiting your instruction clearing up the ENGLISH
I'll bet you have a Masters degree in English!
QUESTION:
WHY IS IT THAT THE MODERN LDS "prophet" G B Hinckley understood the doctrine as Brigham teaching that ADAM was God?
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bdplist 11 months ago
WHO FATHERED JESUS?
Brigham was sure Adam held the position of God
“ADAM is OUR Father and God. HE IS THE GOD OF THE EARTH. So says Brigham Young. ADAM is the great archangel of this creation. He is Michael. He is the Ancient of Days. HE IS THE FATHER OF OUR ELDER BROTHER, JESUS CHRIST....” ( Edward Tullidge (quoting Brigham Young), Women of Mormondom, p. 179, 1877)
bdplist 11 months ago
@bdplist If Brigham was referring to the Adam in the garden then it would be the same way Christ, in Exodus, says Moses is the god of Pharaoh. As I stated in another post, the Bible has it where people call their ancestors their father. Adam of the garden was put on earth before Christ was making Adam Christ's earthly ancestor but not spiritual ancestor.
majinish 11 months ago
@majinish Brigham said so It is CLEAR that he refered to ADAM in the GARDEN:
"When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him"
Since this ADAM GOD came INTO the GARDEN & had a CELESTIAL BODY he must have been a resurrected being & a LDS god!
OTOH
Now why do LDS always try to distance themselves from the statements of their own LDS "prophets"?
Just the obvious ERRORS?
bdplist 11 months ago
@bdplist As I said and as you've shown, people, members of the church including prophets, usually do not understand what Brigham was saying. And it says "Adam came into the garden" not "Adam God". I keep explaining to you the error of your statements because you do not comprehend what this subject is about. You are ignorant to what others say.
majinish 11 months ago
@majinish ADAM came with ONE of his wives and he came with a CELESTIAL BODY therefore according to mormonISM he was a resurrected being! DUH!
NOW I thought we needed prophets to CLEARly expound the scriptures but now we find that the LDS "prophet" caused so much confusion that there are still followers of Smith that Worship Adam
The 1915 & 1916 General Conferences had more than a few talks that sought to replace the OLD ADAM GOD doctrine with the new Jehovah Elohim doctrine
bdplist 11 months ago
@majinish Do you have any more EXCUSES for the LDS "prophets" ADAM GOD DOCTRINE?
bdplist 11 months ago
@bdplist I already told you how you don't understand what he said or what the scriptures say. I didn't make an excuse. I referenced verses from the Bible. He and the other Prophets were true Prophets of God. They're not exclusively LDS Prophets. They are the Prophets of God for all the world, you included.
majinish 11 months ago
@majinish That does not work because his WHOLE FIRST PRESIDENCY Understood right well what he was saying
The next few LDS prophets who came after him UNDERSTOOD also and preached the same ADAM GOD DOCTRINE!
AND if they are real "prophets" what in the world are they talking about saying the First Man ADAM fathered Jesus with the Virgin Mary?
bdplist 11 months ago
@majinish LOOK THE WHOLE QUORUM!
minutes of meeting of the Quorum of Twelve in which it was recorded: "It was Joseph's DOCTRINE that ADAM was God…God comes to earth and eats and partakes of fruit. Joseph could not reveal what was revealed to him, and if Joseph had it revealed, he was not told to reveal it"
Stop Prevaricating - Words mean something and I dont need MORMON EARS to hear what was being said. I know how to read dont be foolish.
bdplist 11 months ago
“When our Father ADAM came into the Garden of Eden . . . He is Michael, the archangel, the Ancient Of Days. . . he is our Father and OUR God, and the Only God with whom we have to do”
(Gen. Conf., Journal of Discourses, 1:50-51, 1854)
bdplist 11 months ago
@bdplist Not exactly. There's some grammar used you conveniently left out. Also, since Adam was the first man that would make him our ancestor. People in the Bible called their male ancestors their father. You take what Brigham said completely out of context.
majinish 11 months ago
ADAM GOD & FATHER to Joe
Joseph said that ADAM was our Father and God
(Brigham Young, Journal History of the Church, May 14, 1876)
bdplist 11 months ago
(D&C 88:35) will allow Satan to lead “them by the neck with a flaxen cord, until he bindeth them with his strong cords forever” (2 Nephi 26:22) unless the spirit of repentance enters their hearts.
omiolo 11 months ago
But a bad conscience is a blessing in that we immediately are reminded that it is time to repent. When we are humble and desire to do what is right, we will be anxious to act promptly to change our ways, while those who are proud and who may seek “to become a law unto [themselves]”
omiolo 11 months ago
If you want to know what a LDS FALSE prophet believes ASK him!
The MAN - ADAM was "Father of our spirits" Brigham Young Feb 19 1854
ADAM came into the garden of Eden WITH a CELESTIAL BODY" & "CONCEIVED Jesus with the Virgin Mary" Brigham Young Gen Conf Apr 1852 JD v1 p50
a MAN "ADAM is the father of our spirits" B Young Oct 8 1854 Gen Conf
The MAN ADAM was a Resurrected being
bdplist 11 months ago
@bdplist Brigham was referring to more than one Adam. The one of he garden of Eden, the other being Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 15 starting with verse 45 calls Christ the second Adam. Brigham was speaking just how the scriptures do. Since Jesus Christ is the 2nd Adam and is the Son of God then that could result in calling God the Father an "Adam" as well. The Adam-God thing is something a lot of people, as you proved, misunderstand and shows their lack of knowledge of scriptures.
majinish 11 months ago
@majinish He did not say God "AN" Adam
He said "ADAM IS the FATHER of our spirits" so obviously Brigham thought that ADAM was heavenly Father
Woodruff said BY said "God WAS Father ADAM"!
He said that our God WAS Father Adam. He was the Father of the Savior Jesus Christ--Our God was no more or less than Adam . . . Michael the Archangel (Wilford Woodruff - Journal, Feb 19. 1854)
In addition there are documents that show that LDS WORSHIPPED ADAM
bdplist 11 months ago
@bdplist Wrong. Adam in that case is a name-title, not a name. Even apostles have misunderstood what Brigham said because it seems to say one thing but it doesn't say what you claim. The church has never worshiped the Adam of the garden. We worship the 2nd "Adam" which is Jesus Christ, the spiritual "Adam". Again, Brigham was not saying the Adam of he garden is God the Father. You worship "Adam" as well being the 2nd "Adam" which is Jesus Christ.
majinish 11 months ago
@majinish a Title like ADAM was "FATHER" of our Spirits?
That title makes him the Heavenly Father (another title - so what? that changes the essence? LOL)
bdplist 11 months ago
@bdplist No it doesn't. I didn't say title. I didn't say name. I said name-title. That's not the same thing. When 1 Corinthians refers to Christ as Adam it is using the name Adam as a name-title.
majinish 11 months ago
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IF joe really saw 2 in 1820 then why did he say they are ONE in 1830?
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1820 TWO personages?
OR
1830 ONE personage
Ether 3:14 Behold I am Jesus Christ. I am the Father AND the Son.
BoM says they are SAME PERSON
bdplist 11 months ago
I'm speaking about the Mormon opposition to gay marriage. My feeling is that it does not matter what your religion (and I truly mean that). If your expression of that belief leads you to practice exclusion, something needs to be examined.
saintben2008 11 months ago
@saintben2008 if your gay then why the exclusion ? mybe you understand why god finds homosexualaity a sin ?
let me ask you why would god find homosexual acts a sin ? whay should the church turn a blind eye to homosexualaity and not other sins ? im waiting !
housetaboo 11 months ago
I'm sorry, but my Mormon experience was not the best. As a gay man, I'm really disappointed in their behaviour lately.
saintben2008 11 months ago
@saintben2008 as a gay man your disappointed in mormon behaviour lately ? when you say as a gay man are speeking Politically or Biblically ?
housetaboo 11 months ago
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pedroelcarvron 11 months ago
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pedroelcarvron 11 months ago
The Holy Ghost is manifested to men and women on the earth both as the power and as the gift of the Holy Ghost. The power can come upon a person before baptism; it is the convincing witness that Jesus Christ is our Savior and Redeemer.
omiolo 1 year ago
Revelations from the Father and the Son are conveyed through the Holy Ghost. He is the messenger for and the witness of the Father and the Son
omiolo 1 year ago
Mitt Romney affirmed the centrality of his Mormon beliefs during an interview Tuesday on CNN's Piers Morgan Tonight show.
Morgan initiated a conversation with Romney about religion by showing his guest a recorded clip from the 2008 presidential campaign wherein Romney said, "I believe in my Mormon faith. ... Some believe that such a confession of my faith will sink my candidacy. If they're right, so be it."
omiolo 1 year ago
IF
Jo really saw TWO PERSONAGES in 1820
THEN
WHY did he want to know if there was more than ONE in March 1838?
God shall give you knowledge by his Holy Spirit . . . A TIME TO COME in the which nothing shall be withheld, whether there be ONE God or MANY gods, they shall be manifest (D& C 121:26,28)
It is Obvious that the First VeRSION is a BIG FISH STORY!
bdplist 1 year ago
i have mistaken the LDS with LSD mormon :D that was going to be fun
ancientbabe 1 year ago
We worship God as our Father in Heaven, Give respect to the assistance of the Holy Ghost, and Raise up Jesus as our savior for showing us the way.
anewnamewritten 1 year ago
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“But even if we or an angel from heaven (moroni) should preach to you a gospel other than what we have preached to you, curse be on him!” Galatians 1:6-9 Morman’s are not prepared for the coming apocalypse, Huge Sorrow will be to the morman who refuse to see the truth, You have been warned your fall will be great. Read the BIBLE ONLY!
imationqwest 1 year ago
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THE BOOK OF MORMON CONTRADICTS THE BIBLE!! God is perfect He does not contradict Himself, the Mormon book is a lie, Mormons WAKE UP and read the bible.
imationqwest 1 year ago
@imationqwest where does it contradict the bible?
otmjake 1 year ago
"ADAM is our FATHER AND GOD ... 'I want my children who are in the spirit world to come and live HERE" Brigham Young June 18, 1873
ADAM WANTED HIS "SPIRIT CHILDREN" TO "COME AND LIVE HERE" on this Earth!
BEWARE OF LDS FALSE PROPHETS!!!!!
bdplist 1 year ago
LDS are so CONFUSED they are not sure whether they have ONE God or THREE!
bdplist 1 year ago
LDS are POLYtheists with THREE GODS
"I have always and in all congregations when I have preached on the subject of the Deity, it has been the plurality of Gods. It has been preached by the Elders for fifteen years. I have always declared God to be a distinct personage--Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and or Spirit, and these three constitute three distinct personages and THREE Gods'. Teachings prophet J Smith 1844
bdplist 1 year ago
@bdplist Wrong little man. We believe in God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. You believe they are one single god, the man-made version of the trinity. The biblical version doesn't teach that at all, they're 3 separate beings of one purpose. You're a traditional christian & I use the term "christian" loosely. We're what you call true christians.
majinish 1 year ago
@majinish WRONG? ROTFL
Joe was "WRONG" ROTFL
bdplist 1 year ago
@bdplist And yet Joseph Smith was a prophet of the Lord.
majinish 1 year ago
@majinish If J() was a "prophet" then I am a poached egg
bdplist 1 year ago
@bdplist I guess that makes you a poached egg. :)
majinish 1 year ago
@majinish Sorry but NO TRUE Prophet would say that they had THREE GODS!
bdplist 1 year ago
@majinish I guess that makes J() a FALSE PROPHET & IDOLATER who taught that LDS have THREE GODS (Plural)
bdplist 1 year ago
@bdplist No, Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God.
majinish 1 year ago
@majinish Prophets dont LIE like J()e did
Prophets dont teach that the Father & Son were the same personage (ONE God) in 1830 then change to two personages after 1830 followed by multiple Gods with THREE GODS for LDS in 1844
Joe was a FRAUD
He was a demon possessed spirit chaneller
bdplist 1 year ago
@bdplist He never changed it. Saying Joseph Smith was a fraud is like saying Moses was a fraud. Joseph Smith was a true prophet of the Lord. You denying it doesn't mean he wasn't, it just shows your ignorance.
majinish 1 year ago
@majinish Facts are stubborn things MormonISM is much more pliable
Joe said the Father & Son are the SAME PERSONAGE in the 1830 Book 0 Mormon
How is that possible if J()e really saw TWO PERSONAGES in 1820?
Sounds like J()e was a LIAR
bdplist 1 year ago
@bdplist Facts are what are true which is exactly what I've been saying. The Book of Mormon doesn't even say they're one person. It might if you misinterpret it but if you understand it then you'd know you're wrong. Sounds more like you're desperate to disprove a true prophet of the Lord.
majinish 1 year ago
@majinish Fact is the BoM does not say there are TWO Personages.
If it were POSSIBLE then you could simply list some examples from the BoM
bdplist 1 year ago
@bdplist Fact the Book of Mormon doesn't give the account of Joseph Smith seeing God the Father and Jesus Christ. Before you say anything else make sure you know what comes from where so you're not using the wrong book. :) Denying a messenger of the Lord is your problem. Hope you have your excuses ready for judgment day.
majinish 1 year ago
@majinish Thanks for the demonstration.
LDS are all about Joe
Christians are all about the Lord Jesus Christ
While the BoM does not mention the first vErsion (joe had not invented it yet in 1830), it does mention the Father & the Son and when it does it says they are the SAME PERSON can you explain why Joe wrote this after he supposedly saw TWO personages 7 years earlier?
The only LOGICAL explanation was Joe was a FRAUD!
bdplist 1 year ago
@bdplist Do you always take people's words out of context like you do the Bible? We Mormons, TRUE christians, worship the Lord Jesus Christ and teach His gospel. So you deny Joseph Smith, Abraham, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel, & the others as prophets of the Lord.
majinish 1 year ago
@majinish Do you TRUE LDS also Worship the Father?
That would be FALSE IDOLATROUS worship of TWO LDS "gods"
"THREE separate personages -Father, Son, and Holy Ghost- comprise the Godhead. As EACH of these persons is A God, it is evident that a PLURALITY of GodS exists. To us, speaking in the proper finite sense, these THREE are the only GodS WE WORSHIP"
Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, "Plurality of Gods"
Since the Apostle says Each of the THREE are "A GOD" which of the THREE do you worship?
bdplist 1 year ago
@majinish I was indoctrinated from the time I was a child that Joseph Smith was a prophet, too. If you repeat something over and over... "I know the church is true, I know Joseph Smith was a prophet", you will believe it.
That's why the military prefers to enlist young men, they are very pliable and easy to indoctrinate. I found my way out of Mormonism without losing my faith in God and you can too.
eeikman 1 year ago
@eeikman No thanks. I prefer to stay on the right path and not go away from the gospel of Jesus Christ just as you have. The church is true. I don't believe it because I say it, I believe it because I know it. Unlike you, I will not turn my back on the Lord.
majinish 1 year ago
@majinish HOW exactly do you KNOW?
by subjective feelings?
AND how do you KNOW that leaving the LDS would be leaving the Lord?
bdplist 1 year ago
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@bdplist Because it was Jesus Christ that put the church on the earth.
majinish 1 year ago
@majinish Becoming a Christian is not turning your back to God. They have convinced you that if the LDS faith is not true, then nothing is true. Instead of negative things, look up. "Lady of Guadalupe" , where a single miracle converted 6 million Mexican natives to Christ's teachings. It's a big, spiritually diverse world out there, kid.
eeikman 1 year ago
@eeikman I am a christian. And turning my back on the church Jesus Christ put on the earth would be turning my back on Jesus Christ. We Mormons aren't "traditional" christians like everyone else, we're true christians. As I said, I prefer to stay on the right path, being a TRUE christian, and following the Jesus Christ of scriptures, not the one created by tradition.
majinish 1 year ago
@majinish Ravi Zacharias was invited to speak at the SLC Tabernacle, so he has a good reputation with your church. Do a youtube search for: Ravi Zacharias Trinity Though troubled and splintered, Christendom, at it's core, has always been a monotheistic religion.
eeikman 1 year ago
@majinish All of this I say in love. When mormons call themselves christians they are spitting in the face of christians. Why dont you guys call yourselves muslims or something else. The Christian chruch has officially renounced your doctrine and rejects Joseph Smith as a man of God. A few generations ago mormons wouldnt be caught dead calling themselves christian.I know christian is just a word. But it signifies those that believe that Jesus is the one true God and the only way to salvation.
pedroelcarvron 1 year ago
@pedroelcarvron We call ourselves Christians because that's what we are. If you don't like it that's your problem. Who cares if traditional Christians do things? I don't. The problem with your statement is you cannot renounce another faith's doctrine, especially when you're denouncing the church Jesus Christ put on the earth. Joseph Smith was a man of God.
majinish 1 year ago
@pedroelcarvron My best guess as to why they didn't call themselves christians then is because how "christians", and I use that term loosely with those in history, treated others. They killed, raped, tortured, tarred & feathered, & did other things to the early LDS-Christians. We call ourselves Christians because that's what we are. We are the LDS-Christians.
majinish 1 year ago
@pedroelcarvron "those that believe that Jesus is the one true God" Please read the Bible. John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
John 17:3 is Jesus Christ praying to God the Father and acknowledging Him, God the Father, as the one true God. Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And we know Jesus Christ is the only way to obtain salvation. Again, we are Christians.
majinish 1 year ago
How do you justify this logic? .I know im not going to change your mind. But the differences in christianity and mormonsim are astronical. I have been honestly trying to understand mormonism, and through that i have discovered that you the bible and the book of mormon cannot both be true. Mormons do not worship the same God I do. I will continue to study mormonism. I plan on reading the book of mormon soon. What version of it do you recomend?
pedroelcarvron 1 year ago