catholicsm is completely contradictory to christianity. i sometimes wonder how so many people can believe, very much, something that they have not investigated by reading. then i realized almost, if not all, religions', including and emphasizing christianity, members are guilty of this. as a christian i dont fing get it. the crucifix itself breaks Gods law. buying forgiveness is ridiculous in theory. selling forgiveness in practice(indulgence) is evil. roman cathsodomism, in & of itself, is evil
@WP88457 For someone who can't speak beyond a second grade level you have some nerve calling Christians dumb. What do you care anyway? How does faith in God bother you? You speak venomous words to children of God with what purpose? Clearly you are blinded by the devil. I pray God has mercy on your pitiful soul and that you see the truth before it is too late.
The Roman Catholic church is a disreputable institution. Many of the clergy are sexually frustated sad individuals who prey upon others. Believe me - I was one of their victims and I depise them.
Hideous and unspiritual! Wretched guitars, tawdry aesthetics, if I had to worship here I would throw up! How badly the Catholic Church needs to re-establish the timeless treasure of the traditional Latin Mass!
When Jesus was referencing to his body and blood it was symbolic. It is preposterous to think that Jesus turned a piece of bread into Himself. When Jesus said "this is my body" or "blood," He did not change the substance, but was explaining that He is the one "represented" by the passover bread and wine.
Christ spoke in figurative terms, referring to Himself as "the door," "the vine'', "the light," "the root," "the rock," "the bright and morning star," et cetera.
@Mcstroke57 Right, you've got it, "McStroke57"... You know better than St. Paul. You are definitely more authoritative than the earliest of Church Fathers. You know better than the first one thousand five hundred years of exegesis and tradition. Don't forget, your faith was apart of the Catholic Church until 1521 AD. That's 1521 Anno Domini, or the Year of Our Lord... guess where that came from? You guessed it. The Catholic Church.
@BallisticPenetration "You know better than the first one thousand five hundred years of exegesis and tradition." You follow the traditions of men instead of God.
"Don't forget, your faith was apart of the Catholic Church until 1521 AD." I follow Jesus Christ.
I was not and never will be a part of pagan sun worshipping pedophiles who make false teachings, celebrate pagan holidays, change God's commandments.
Do some research on the Roman Catholic Church and wake up.
Love God, with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your spirit. Love your neighbors as you love yourself.. These are the greatest commandments.
@NewsonGK Praying to saints are a misconception. We are always directing to god but what we want is for the saints to pray for us, They are of course in heaven and are closer to god. They Intercede for us.
I recently began exploring Christianity after years of atheism. I began exploring the Catholic Church because in my mind it represented traditionalism, history, and a sense of the sacred. I've always loved cathedrals, ritual, chanting etc. If this is Catholicism, then this is quite disappointing. It looks like a bunch of goofy people trying to compromise and be "relevant" to modern culture. I began looking into Catholicism as an ANTIDOTE to modern culture. I am quite disappointed.
@bawright462 Don't be disappointed. There are many different Catholic churches and this is only one. Plus there are different types of masses. For example, the neocatechumenal way is another one besides this. Anyway, this is but one mass (I haven't watched this video). So don't be disappointed. The Catholic Church is great! :)
the catholic church is great, what you have today is the vatican 2 sect, it's not catholic, you must not attend the new mass as it's a sin, you can go to a traditional latin mass
the "catholic" church of today is not catholic,it's the vatican 2 sect that has taken over, the mass of today is not valid, you must go to a traditional latin mass, the pope is not catholic, he's a heretic, we live in crazy times
@davidemtl - Latin? LOL! Eastern Orthodox has kept the tradition, Catholicism is in apostasy! What nonsense, you must have mass in Latin, a language, the people do not even understand. Laughable!
@davidemtl - Of course we reject the lying papacy, the pope was never above all, he was first among equals. Speaking in Latin is beyond stupid, no wonder most Catholics do not know what is going on.
most "catholics" today don't listen to the mass in latin but are nonetheless clueless about what has really happened to the true church, you don't know what you are talking about, Peter was first pope read Matthew 16, John 21, Luke 22, Isaias 22,
@EvertonFooty Wrong. The Primacy of Peter was always there as complete and supreme authority. Read the Early Church Fathers, including the Eastern ones. They all support this view, and Rome has always been authoritative. The Epistle of Clement from the 1st century shows this.
babies cannot be baptised because they dont understand. They dont understand that is why you have to wait until they are like 10 or so when they can understand. their water is not holy either! sorry to bust you bubble. The ONLY way that you can be saved is to be BORN AGAIN! you need to! that is the only way to heven
Catholics have issues. They are a religion who is lost and confused. The pray to mary. That is wrong on so many levels they praise people "saints". the think that the "pope" can "bless" things. No he cant u idiots!!!! You think after some stanger say " i bless this flower" you retards think that it is holy!!! Does anyone else notice how they sound llike robots? lol! Catholics and lutherans think that if when you are a baby and you are not babtised you go to hell. that is not right!
"I say to you that everyone who...says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell." (Matthew 5:22, NASB)
According to Jesus, by calling Catholics "idiots" you are worthy of hell.
Not that I believe the Bible -- I'm an atheist; nevertheless, I believe you would do well to learn some common decency. How do you feel when atheists call you an idiot for believing in God? Catholics are people -- people with feelings. Show some kindness.
@05lowell05 why only catholics? God doesnt only speak for catholics, he speaks for all christians in general. catholicism is only one type of christianity.
Sorry, I don't know exactly what part of my comment you're addressing.
If you mean that Jesus meant calling any Christian an idiot was a sin, whether they were Catholic or any other denomination, then yes, I agree with that interpretation.
The Catholics are obviously trying to attract the Unreformed Protestants like the Lutheran and Episcopal with the changes in the much more formal liturgy with altar boys and the lighting of the candles and the ringing of the bells and burning of incense which they will gladly dismiss to fill their coffers which are going empty because they were heavily invested in Italian bonds which is about to go belly up. Watch as the Vatican becomes anxious to improve their bank accounts
@JesusNonEnviromental To be fair to Anglicans there services, on the whole, are more 'catholic' in terms of traditional service than this one. This is a major stumbling block that many don't realise. Vatican ll was heavily influenced by a 1960's mindset - the world has changed. (I do believe a lot of people claim changes were made that were not mandated also, including catholics. I doubt many have even read these documents).
Ask a Catholic if Jesus Christ has saved him from His Sin. He will reply that no such doctrine exists because we must confess our sins to the priesthood and do penance and then appeal to Mary to ask Christ if He might forgive our sins and we must eat the eucharist for the forgiveness of our weekly venial sins and we must continue this until we depart this life and even then our sins follow us into purgatory where we must work to gain forgiveness. What has Christ done for me says the Catholic
@JesusNonEnviromental you have no understanding of true Catholic theology whatsoever. check out the Catechism of the Council of Trent ( with scriptural references that support it fully ) for the real deal. forget anything that comes out of the corrupt vatican II church.
@JesusNonEnviromental We do not believe any such thing. Mary does not forgive us our sins. We believe that outside of the cross of Christ, there is no salvation. Only by grace earned the crucifixion, death, burial, and ressurection of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ are we saved. You are blasphemously interpreting the Catholic role of salvation. And don't reply me sayin, "No, this is what you believe cuz I said so." horsecrap. I should know what I believe. You are a deceived blasphemer.
@JesusNonEnviromental@JesusNonEnviromental The problem with the 1960's mentality was they thought everyone was moving towards ecumenical cohesion and unity. This aspiration began to die in the 70's and is now only being resuscitated by people who haven't caught up with the realities facing the churches. Evangelical Anglicans would never be Catholics 'period'. Conservative Anglo Catholics dislike the Roman liturgical changes and the liberals are killing every denomination they touch.
@JesusNonEnviromental Really? Because I'm Catholic and I believe that Jesus saved me from my sins. We are not supposed to receive the Eucharist if we are in a state of mortal sin until we confess our sins through a priest to the Lord. Christ died on the cross to forgive my sins
this is an invalid, illicit novus order PROTESTANTISED mass . Father Malachi Martin RIP- " 4 of the cardinals responsible for instituting the novus order mass were PROTESTANT FREEMASONS." truly DISGUSTING ! CHRISTUS REGNAT !!!
Roman Catholicism is not hiding anything. All you have to do is get a copy of the Catachism of the Catholic Church (easily attainable on the internet). CCC 1324 the eurchrist is the source and summit of the christian life. 1374 ...the eurchrist " the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity, of our lord jesus christ"..."real"...entirely present. This IS your man created god. A different jesus. 1378 to be worshipped. Idolatry plain and simple. Repent and believe the Gospel
After learing Ave Maria I guess he would have to learn to use his Rosary which is provided by the church at no cost but they don't provide bibles that would be unneccesary according to tradition. He would then be told baptism and confirmation must take place so that he could eat and drink Jesus, excuse me, I meant eat because the drinking part is exclusive now to the Upper Elite.
@JesusNonEnviromental The cup is offered to the faithful at most Masses celebrated nowadays. The reason that the cup was not offered for many years was to guard against the heresy that the Body and Blood of Christ were somehow separate after the consecration. Suffice it to say, it had nothing to do with some bent notion of hierarchical superiority.
I can only imagine and conclude that noone who has been conversing with me has ever shared the Gospel with another person. Im assuming none of my combatants would even know how to share the Gospel of Jesus Christ with a lost person and this is the problem with the Catholic church. I guess you would tell him that he would have to join the Catholic church but first renounce any prior faith he might have in Jesus Christ and that he will need to learn to recite Ave Maria for penance
@JesusNonEnviromental He should learn to recite the Ave Maria for love of Our Lady, not simply for penance. The false gospel you preach, no, I have never shared that with anyone. The Faith preserved whole and entire by the Apostles and their successors, yes, I share that often.
@NihilNominis The Lord asks you to go and confess His name before men, How do you share the Gospel which all men are told to advance. Share with me the message that was delivered by the Apostles to Judea and the uttermost parts of the earth. Let me remind you this was long before the Vatican or the papal authority which you follow. Pretend you are Phillip and speaking to the eunuch, What did Phillip share with him that he would be baptized and go away rejoicing
@JesusNonEnviromental One thing he certainly shared was the necessity of baptism, which apparently (if I am not gravely mistaken in my reading of your posts) you do not profess. Why otherwise would it be Our Lord's command not simply to convert them, but explicitly to baptise them? And these little departures grow and grow as the schism persists until the Gospel preached no longer resembles at all that of Christ.
@NihilNominis I can tell you with confidence that I am a child of God by Gods Will and not my own. My understanding is by revelation and not study. Anything we read cannot be digested unless the Holy Spirit approves its inspiration in our hearts and minds. I am a work of God and not of my own will and creation so your judgement of my confidence is merely an accusation against the handy work of God. I am nothing and Christ is everything and I stand today at peace with God because of Grace
@JesusNonEnviromental You say this as if your subjective interpretation of the Will of God based on internal movements within yourself should hold any weight with anyone else. If your witness is your life, rather than your words, then despair now of ever converting anyone online, as we have no window to your life. If, however, you mean to convict us of our error in writing, then appeal not to what we see not. I correct your misapprehensions of Catholic dogma. You carry on misapprehending.
I can only interpret this as a certain obstinance on your part, not to convert, but rather even to see clearly what it is you are attacking. A son of God who has been set free from sin and death and lives in the grace of God, it does not seem to me, should appear to be so frightened of the truth that he resorts over and over again to attacking strawmen, and never levels a single valid charge against the Church. Yet because of your "grace," you expect me to call your calumny truth?
@NihilNominis You type a whole lot but say very little, I on the other hand speak very boldly about my faith and confidence and rebuke with authority. You seem to be hesitant to proclaim anything but my ignorance or your sect born from Rome and perserved with the sword and at the cost of the blood of saints. Your rituals can be practiced by Hilter himself but its only Grace that changes the Heart and causes men to love God. Keep your traditions and continue your apologies at nauseum
@JesusNonEnviromental You undermine any authority you may have by erring on the most basic facts, and you rebuke us for errors to which we do not hold.
I dare any Catholic to try and investigate the Wealth of the Vatican. In doing so, you might not find God but you might come to your senses about who you are serving.
.. Catholics are conditioned to praise their church instead of Jesus Christ, when they do speak of Jesus it is related only to Jesus giving keys to Peter or that Peter is the Foundation of the Church. They are conditioned to think of Mary as the giver of Grace and Peter having dominion over death and hell and not Jesus. Jesus is merely a coworker or sacrifice to be mocked and scourge on a weekly basis instead of being Worshiped as King of Kings and Lord of Lords
@JesusNonEnviromental That is a ridiculous assertion to make. Christ is praised and adored without ceasing in the Catholic Church. What church would proclaim Herself the Bride of Christ and then lapse into narcissism, and neglect Her Husband? Peter's "dominion" over death and hell you seem to have picked up from lousy jokes. Peter's keys were given to him by Christ, and all the graces which Mary dispenses likewise come to her from Christ. Without Him, Mary, Church, Peter, are nothing.
@NihilNominis Again, Religious babble and talking with a forked tongue. Christ is not praised and adored in your Church. He is crucified anew every Sunday on your altar as a lamb to the slaughter and instead of the Romans and Unbelieving Jews crucifying Him its your priesthood. That Mass is an abomination and you cover its darkness with flowery speech. Peter had no literal keys you unlearned people, it was a metaphor. All christians enter through the Door (Christ) by faith
@JesusNonEnviromental Do you honestly believe that we think Peter has literal keys??!! We believe that Peter's keys were literal as much as you believe that Christ has a doorknob and keyhole! They are both figurative!
You are a polemicist extraordinaire, who cut yourself off from any reasonable discourse, locked and lost in your schism as you cling to almost comical calumnies about the Church. It grieves me that you have cut yourself off from the harbour of truth and unity of faith.
@NihilNominis Love that one, Harbour of Truth, Im assuming you meant Harbor. I thought Jesus was the Truth? (Jn 14:6) and I thought it was the Holy Spirit that reveals "Truth" to the believe (Jn 15:26) and God (Ph 3:15) But it seems the Catholic church has substituted itself in the place of God in these verses. No man knoweth the Father except the Son who revealeth the Father to whomsoever he will. (Luke 10:22) And the Word of God shall make you perfect in Truth (2 Tim 3:15-16)
No, he meant harbour. FYI either spelling is correct, harbour is the UK spelling and acceptable English, or I should say harbor is acceptable English. JNE should not bring up spelling and grammar. It is not your forte.
@TheChurchAuthentic In America we spell it Harbor. I claim to be the most ignorant man who walks the earth and the most sinful of all men as my brother Paul claimed. I have no pride or ego or boasting except in Gods Grace to the weakest of men to confound the mighty and the rich and the haughty
@JesusNonEnviromental Good. You'll find that sentiment in many of our saints, as well, and Doctors of the Church. Although I'm sure that you will have some excuse for why they can't really mean it, while you can.
@NihilNominis Look at your Vicars, Look at the Vaticans bank which has ties to Italian mafia. Im waiting to see what the Vatican will do with its Italian Bonds as Italy goes belly up. It seems the Vatican bank is heavily invested in JP Morgan, Gold and of course real estate. Its amazing what you can learn if you hit an enter key, its seems there is some conspiracy rumors about your Pope John Paul I being murdered by your hiearchy, but don't go there you might lose your faith in them
@JesusNonEnviromental I can read a lot of mad opinions if I hit an enter key. I tend not to believe all of them, or indeed most of them. Judging, however, by your complete rejection of Catholic doctrine, I should suppose that you do not believe anything you read, either, but only that which accords with or supports what you already believe.
@NihilNominis You are exactly right, we are all conditioned to believe what is in our hearts. The wicked heart of man rejoices and celebrates the gratification of the flesh. My heart was changed by Grace from a hardened heart to a heart which rejoices in righteousness and a love for the Father. I received the Gospel as the power unto salvation because I was preconditioned by the Holy Spirit who opened my ears and gave me faith to believe spiritual things which the natural man has no ability
@JesusNonEnviromental I am of course not going to deny that any of the sort of thing you are talking about happens. Nevertheless, I find it very dubious that the Holy Spirit would lead to you a particular denomination (or keep you out of communion with it) on the basis of rank calumnies about another.
@NihilNominis We are separated because we have different Authorities. My authority is the Word of God (Sola Scriptura). You have chosen to add to that Authority a trust and adherence to the words of men because you believe that God still speaks through men as in the days of the OT. My scriptures teach me that in these "Last days" God has spoken to us through His Son and there is no more "Revelation" of Truth. (Heb 1:2)
@JesusNonEnviromental Not at all. I discern (and I think the multiplicity of denominations justifies this) that the Scriptures are difficult to interpret, and that men alone relying on the Holy Spirit to guide them have come to vastly different conclusions. And so I take God at His word, that He will be with His Church until the end of time, and will guard it from error (and before you lay into that, it is meant in a very specific sense). This is not the same as continual revelation.
@NihilNominis We have no unity in Faith, My faith rests entirely on the Finished Work of my Savior and Lord and your Faith rests in sacraments, Mary's intercession, your priest, your eucharist and confessionals, your infant baptism and your alms. There is a chasm between us larger than the chasm in Hell between Abrahams bosom and the Rich man
. The Mass or Massacre of Christ on a weekly basis on their altar of abominations is a mockery of Christs death and sacrifice on the Cross. They franchise this demonstration of mockery to influence its followers that their Priest is gaining favor with God and gaining grace for their sins. This is so dark and so demonic that the devil laughs and even unbelievers can discern its superstition and self glorification of their priesthood.
@Efrasios It has surely changed and its morphed this way to attrack floundering protestants who are seeking a religious fleshly experience that the Body of Christ does not offer. They are drawn by the pageantry and eloquent babblings of sinful men who lead them like sheep without minds or hearts for God
@Efrasios Listen how they repeat the words of the Priests, This is complete control of the mind and heart that is demonstrated in all cults. They are willingly led because they find no ability to love God or know him in a personal way in their own personal devotions. Catholics are actually unregenerated souls who find comfort in the religious teachings and study of others who appear by all senses to be godly
Hi,neat hey did anyone visit that web site amazingdiscoveries well they have his series on total onslaught.Well the man walter veith is a former Catholic.Check out the one on the islamic connection. Wow I did not know Catholism invented Islam.
Any one who calls themselves a Catholic should read the about the "Catholic Inquisition" and if you can read this History and still embrass the Catholic religion as the "One Holy and Apostolic Church" then you are lying to your own conscience. Even the followers of Hilter who still live today are in hiding and have changed their names for shame of the inhumanity of their former emperor.
Any one who calls themselves an American should read about the "Civil War" and if you can read this History and still embrass [sic] the United States as the "One Nation under God" then you are lying to your own conscience. Even the decendents of slave owners are in hiding today and have changed their names for shame of the inhumanity of their ancestors.
@JesusNonEnviromental The fact that Protestant Reformers also created inquisitions to root out Catholics and others who didn't follow the doctrines of local Protestant sects means no Protestant can make such claims without having it backfire on himself. Also, like all churches, the Catholic church happens to contain sinners, some of which are in positions of power. Paul and Christ himself warned against "ravenous wolves" among church leaders.
@PerciVN The Lord says is you lay with a Harlot then you are a Harlot. Every church which is defined as an Autonomous Congregation of Believers and not a denomination. My Pastor has never tortured or slaughter whole families of Catholics. My brethren I fellowship would never and have never associated with any group or sect that murdered men, women and children and burned them at the stake for loving Jesus and not the Pope. You bow to your Vicar in Rome and know his history
Respond to this video... I am reading the Writings of William Tyndale and his crime was translating the scriptures into English for the common man. The Catholic religion only presented the scriptures in Latin which was understood by few to keep the people in bondage to their priest. Tyndale was burned at the stake by the Pope's decree. The blood of the Catholic religion runs higher than the holocausts of Hilter or the religion of Islam
@JesusNonEnviromental No, his crime was translating the scriptures into English in a way favourable to his own particular heresies and spreading the confusion, schism, and corruption which, unbounded, have destroyed Christian civilisation.
@NihilNominis Obviously they haven't destroyed the Church, which God will protect until the end of time, but they have also brought many souls to perdition.
@NihilNominis Oh really, How did he do that? I think Moore who was a Catholic apologist had a problem with Tyndale's translation because it was made available to the public in their own language instead of the dead language of Latin. Tyndales translated the word "ecclesia" to "congregation" instead of "church" which took away from the catholic's deception that there is only one oligarchy "church" to rule over the whole world which is totally unscriptural and brought about the Inquistions
@NihilNominis Think about what you just typed, You just agreed that a man should be burned at the stake in the name of our Lord and Savior. If you believe that Christ taught the Apostles to burn alive those who did not believe their report then you are so blind that even darkness is too bright for you. Read your Gospels if you haven't and see if that is the teaching of our Lord who told Peter to put up his sword. The wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God (James 1:20)
I disagreed with your interpretation of what his crime was. You can continue to adopt an outdated, debunked, polemic, Protestant historical dialectic, or you can actually try to understand why people behaved as they did, instead of constructing the wickedest strawman you can conceive of and call it Catholicism.
@NihilNominis Your remark did not rebuke your mother church, you spoke as if you would have personally lit the fire. When I show you the error of your thinking, you amazing come out of your hypnosis. Catholicism is the Harlot of the World and the pope its AntiChrist. Your gospel of sacraments and sacrifices of our Lord on your altar of abomination shall burn in hell and all those who bow at that Altar of Works and boastings
@JesusNonEnviromental The Catholic Church is the Bride of Christ, His own Body, born of the blood which poured forth from His Side during His sleep of death upon the Cross as Eve was taken from the side of the first Adam in his slumber. She is one, she is holy, although her members cause division and are unholy, she is universal, catholic, proclaiming to all men the same Gospel which She Herself has received, apostolic, from the Apostles through their successors.
@NihilNominis The Apostles would not have burnt those who did not accept the Gospel, nor does the Church Herself ever undertake to execute anybody, nevertheless, throughout history certain states, cognizant of the fact that Catholicism was intimately bound up their social order, have made crimes against Christian unity crimes against the state, and such obtained in Tyndale's time. The Church has recognized the justice of these laws, though they are inconceivable in a modern, secular state.
@NihilNominis These conditions emphatically no longer obtain, thanks to the fact that the unity of Christians has been disrupted to such an extent that the Faith can no longer suffice for the common ground on which a society can be built. As such, we find ourselves reduced to associations built on the vaguest of natural law principles, and this compromise state, the secular state, although born of the Augsburg peace between Christians, has been weaponised against us by Christ's foes.
@NihilNominis We shall see at Christs Return who will stand in that Judgement. You with your works and keeping of sacraments and worshiping of Mary, Saints and Statues and Pope or Me by the Grace of God alone granted to me by faith in Christs atoning death for my sins. I shall GLORY in Gods grace in Christ while you shall boast of the Grace given by your Rosary, Infant baptism, eucharist and prayers to Mary.
@JesusNonEnviromental At the Last Judgment, we will both stand before the throne of God and be judged by how much we responded to his gratuitous grace, poured out upon us for our salvation. God's grace is a free gift, unmerited. None is saved by his own works, and these works only gain merit once the one working has been sanctified by God's grace. A sinner's works profit him nothing, nor can they ever make him any but a sinner. This is Catholic dogma.
@NihilNominis You are obviously ignorant of Catholic Doctrine or you're confused. Catholics must partake of the Eucharist for the forgiveness of Sin, the Eucharist is a nonbloody sacrifice of their Jesus on the Altar and His blood shed for the remission of sin (Venial). Your church also teaches baptism is necessary for Salvation as well as the veneration of Mary for Grace. These are works that are necessary for Salvation in your denomination.
The works of the God-man Jesus Christ whereby He reconciles us to God and makes us partakers in His divine life are not the same as the works of the law which St. Paul speaks of. That Baptism is necessary for Salvation is attested by the Scriptures, for a man must be born again of water and the Holy Spirit. John the Baptist baptises with water, and Christ Himself, although sinless, is baptised to give us an example and emphasise its importance. He commands His apostles to go out and baptise.
@NihilNominis Catholics also teach that Salvation is not promised to anyone and faithful catholics can expect to work out their salvation in purgatory. Their time in purgatory is of course shortened by their works of Grace to include Veneration to Mary, alms, Mass attendance. The Catholic Christ has not attained anything for its followers and his blood must be offered every sunday and every service for remission of sin.
Read your Ecumenical Council teachings or you will be Anethama
Salvation is promised to all of those who die in sanctifying grace, and those in Purgatory have died in that state; no one in purgatory is still "working out" his salvation, rather, he is being prepared, purified, for the vision of God in the face. A life full of charity and penance on earth, of course, conforms us closer to Christ, and so naturally is meritorious and reduces the amount of purification that is necessary. Christ obtained for us remission of sins and eternal life. Not nothing.
@JesusNonEnviromental I can only tell you what the Church has always confessed. It grieves me that you have been deceived into hating Her by a vile caricature. If you are so entrenched that you cannot even take me at my word as to what the Church teaches, then there is nothing I could do to reach you. If, however, you can at least see that some of your notions of Catholic belief are inaccurate polemics, then perhaps we might actually begin to cover some theological ground.
@NihilNominis Again, you mention the "church" there is no such teaching in scripture. Give me scriptures which talks about "The church" and Im not speaking about the figurative church of all believers from Pentecost to the Return of Christ and its refered to in scripture as "the body of Christ" or Bride. You'll see in scripture autonomous congregations under no central oligarchy like Rome, the word "Churches" is used over 40 times. Revelations shows 7 churches with different problems.
@JesusNonEnviromental The Catholic Church at that time was comprised of seven autonomous particular churches. Now there are 23. These churches are all in full communion with one another, and together they comprise the Catholic Church. Peter, who among the Apostles had the primacy (for Christ prayed for him that his faith might not fail), and his historical sees were at Antioch and then at Rome, where he was martyred. And to the Roman See has, from the beginning, been given his primacy.
@NihilNominis I am amazed at these statements, its obviously a consorted efforted by Catholics zealots to have an answer for everything lol Its amazing and quite sad Now theres 23?? not 24 or 24,000 or 500,000 but just 23 lol Sir, you sound as if you're reading from a script or something handed to you. I would burn that paper if I were you
@NihilNominis There are 23 independent local churches which comprise the Church catholic, or universal, which is the visible Body of Christ in the world. There were at one time 7. This is just a straight fact. The Body which they comprise is under the headship of Christ, although He rules Her through a visible hierarchy here on earth, just as He confers His grace upon us through visible signs, the Sacraments.
@NihilNominis Christ said, Love your enemies, Pray for those who persecute you and live peaceably with ALL men. Go now and be wise as serpents but HARMLESS as doves
The laity of the catholic religion watchs as one man offers a false sacrifice to our Lord and Savior. The Lords Supper was ordered to commemorate His Death and Suffering as we all partake of his suffering in this world and are washed in his blood. The Canon of the Catholics now orders all to worship this wafer not to just consume it. They do not allow the laity to drink the wine because that would destroy the visual of the liturgy. At the center of the Catholic church the Mass is idolatry
You are uninformed about the Catholic Mass and the teachings of the Church. Why do you propagate what is false as if it were fact?
First, Catholics do not worship a wafer, but the risen Christ in his Real and True Presence. Second, Catholics at times consume Holy Communion under both species. The Eastern Rite always consumes both. Educate yourself.
@TheChurchAuthentic I attended Mass as a young boy and teen and was never offered that grape juice. My Family on my Fathers side are all Irish Catholic and my father has 5 sisters and 2 brothers. I am well aquainted with the liturgy and the pageantry and visual experience of the church which is designed to entice the flesh and does little for the Spirit. I have bowed to the statues as a boy and lit the candles if I could get a quarter from my Grandfather, May God have mercy on his soul
@TheChurchAuthentic I suggest you read the Councils of the Catholic church, It says to specifically vernerate the elements as well as art or drawings or carvings of Saints, Mary or Jesus. No Catholic church can be erected with relics and pieces of art for veneration. Get with the program that you so sincerely defend
@TheChurchAuthentic My point, Come to know the minds of those you follow. In the OT if a prophet were not 100% correct he would be put to death as a false prophet and stoned. The bible says that those who instruct or teach shall be judged more harshly, I see the brethren mesmorized by these doctrines which I find blasphemous so I go to the source to validate my judgement or to be corrected. I have already found a clue, Ambrose taught in a mystalogical way unlike others before him
@JesusNonEnviromental For any church or congregation to be so popular and honored and rich in a World that profanes the name of Christ, any followers must ask themselves why?? How can the secular world who doesn't know Chirst speak so reverently and honorable about the Pope. This world has killed the prophets, Jesus Christ, His Apostles and an uncountable number of the brethren, Why is this Pope and his Bishops and Cardnals so respected and revered in an unbelieving world
@TheChurchAuthentic If you weren't so Catholic indoctrinated, I would find most of what you say to be very insincere. We are two men on two different paths and these paths have crossed it appears for some vain babbling of church doctrinal positions, but since God is the author and finisher of our faith I can only assume that it has benifited us both. May Gods Grace be with you
@JesusNonEnviromental Thank you, and with you too. You're right. I am indoctrinated by my Catholic faith, and I indoctrinate my 5th grade catechism students so the next generation of Catholics will be well equipped to defend their faith. They will be praying for you.
Crackin mass!! He really starts to hit his stride at 15.35. Ive watched a few of this priests masses now and he never fails to impress me. I'd love to see him live one day, seeing him in person would be something to behold I'd say.
i love this i was raise catholic by my mom and i love catholic service i love the when the Father sings in Gregorian chant and my dad who is Jewish i go to temple with him on Saturdays and hearing the Rabbi chant in Hebrew is the same i love both my parents faiths
@AdversusHaereses I have lost my faith, pal. I have been to some amazing Masses. I suppose all Masses are intellectually amazing, if one believes what is claimed to happen at Mass. I`ve been to a Mass celebrated by a priest with the Stigmata - in San Vittorino ( September 1985 ). Been to Mass in St. Peters,` Rome. Plus at the Tomb of St.James in Santiago de Compostela, and many other amazing Masses besides - including some said in the Traditional Latin Rite.
@AdversusHaereses I have lost my faith, pal. I have been to some amazing Masses. I suppose all Masses are intellectually amazing, if one believes what is claimed to happen at Mass. I`ve been to a Mass celebrated by a priest with the Stigmata - in San Vittorino ( September 1985 ). Been to Mass in St. Peters,` Rome. Plus at the Tomb of St.James in Santiago de Compostela, and many other amazing Masses besides - including some said in the Traditional Latin Rite.
@valarmanwe Well you need to go gain your faith back and realize that it is a CHOICE. And it is about obedience as much as it is about "thinking" the Catholic Church is the truth. Just thinking Christ is the truth is nothing if you do not choose to follow him. Also dont make the mistake of inverting good with evil. Some people loose their faith after they commit sins because they feel they cannot be forgiven. You can always be forgiven if you want forgiveness and are willing change your ways.
@valarmanwe Jesus healed those who believed first. Those who believe without seeing are blessed. You must believe first to initiate that gift. That is why God gave us the gift of free will first. You are your spirit and your spirit decides what it wants to believe.
@frost122585 Ps. I`ve been thinking about what you wrote. Obedience ? Obedience to what ? Obedience to a chap with a red hat in Rome, because he tells you that Christ has told him to tell you that you must obey him because what he says is the word of a God ?
No thank you. I will use my own God given eyes and nose to spot a rat.
@valarmanweYou certainly have the right of free will, given to you by God, to accept or reject his Church. I have my own personal doubts about the modern Popes, and V2 but I still believe in Christ and that Peter was the first Pope of his Church who's tradition would be carried on until his return. I am sorry that the well documented miracles of Fatima, and Lourdes and Guadalupe, along with the Shroud of Turin and the truth of scripture are not enough for you to accept Christ...
@frost122585 but when Christ healed the deaf and dumb man he said "ephphatha" which means "to be open." First we have to be open to a savior, to Christ, then we have to take the leap of faith, after that one grows in faith and that is when the miracles happen. Take care.
@valarmanwe You certainly have the right of free will, given to you by God, to accept or reject his Church. I have my own personal doubts about the modern Popes, and V2 but I still believe in Christ and that Peter was the first Pope of his Church who's tradition would be carried on until his return. I am sorry that the well documented miracles of Fatima, and Lourdes and Guadalupe, along with the Shroud of Turin and the truth of scripture are not enough for you to accept Christ...
@AdversusHaereses Amen bother. When I started going to the Latin Mass I gained my desire to go to Chruch back. It is just much more religious and serious.
OMG - I look at some of these amazingly closed-minded and intellectually-challenged comnments about how this is "NOT" a mass and what is driving people from the Church. Good grief, open your eyes - masses like this exist to get more people in, to make it a little lest formal. I guess, according to all of you, that mass does not count unless it's Latin or 100% traditional. Ridiculous that you *think* you are in a position to pass judgemet - let's save that for someone a little higher in rank.
@1320in8 The problem is that the mass is no longer represented as the Holy Sacrifice of Our Lord on the Cross. The irreverence shown in masses like this make it seem as if the laity are going to a gathering rather to participate in the solemn sacrifice of Our Lord. The Roman Rite's language is Latin exclusively and the fact that the new mass threw so many prayers out goes to say something at least of the theological richness and what it can offer to the faithful. It is a liturgical crisis.
This is just so awful - why has the catholic church abandoned its musical heritage for this banality. It's a sad fact that when traditional hymns are used in the liturgy that no-one sings. This sort of music doesn not lend itself to the dignity of a RC mass.
Lighten up! Yes, I wish this was the Mass I remember as a child in the late 1960s but it's not. I prefer to see the incense and the choir but alas these 'hootenanny' type Masses seem to be all the rage at this time.
@szqsk8 Well we got the Latin Mass where I am at and I go to it. I went for a night Mass during the Feast of the Assumption (which is no longer a Feast, sadly and incredibly) and it was a great Mass. Gregorian Chant incense and all. The Homily was on "being like Mary" in that we need to try and say yes to God's will in all things as She did without fail. Take care and God bless.
You may not be a supporter of Hitler or the KKK but you are a bigot nonetheless. Posts like this have no place on a video Catholic Mass. Remember Jesus' words: "I give you peace, my peace I give you.". Words to live by my brother, especially today 9/11.
...that there is such a thing as "rites" of the Holy Eucharist. There are different rites, different ways of offering the Sacrifice, but there is one common theme, and that is the Institution Narrative. If the words, "This is my Body, This is My Blood" are pronounced over the bread and wine, this N.O. Mass functions as a rite- albeit a deficient one.
@pj100003 You know I think when they add the words "for ALL" it changes the meaning and the form of the consecration. I am sorry that makes perfect sense to me. Now from what I gather they are going back to the Latin "for manny" and that would adress my objection there. As far as the new Mass I agree with you that it is deficient- and there there is nothing "in it" that makes it invalid. However, the argument is that it was said that the Latin Mass was to be used as the one Mass until the end.
catholicsm is completely contradictory to christianity. i sometimes wonder how so many people can believe, very much, something that they have not investigated by reading. then i realized almost, if not all, religions', including and emphasizing christianity, members are guilty of this. as a christian i dont fing get it. the crucifix itself breaks Gods law. buying forgiveness is ridiculous in theory. selling forgiveness in practice(indulgence) is evil. roman cathsodomism, in & of itself, is evil
pfog 1 day ago
This is not catholic mass. this is protestant jew-masonish mass. True rites is tridentine and old believers russian.
DanielBondarev78 2 days ago
WP88457 I will pray for you
SkyBoy937 3 days ago
He gives good mass.
colinjjbarry 6 days ago
This is catholic church?Catholic holy mass?No way:)))))
adlucemX 2 weeks ago
THE CATHOLIC RELIGION IS MORE DANGEROUS TO CHRISTIANITY THAN SATANISM...WAKE UP YOU CATHOLICS who can be compared to the pharisees in the bible
IdigAponyONtheROOF 2 weeks ago
@WP88457 For someone who can't speak beyond a second grade level you have some nerve calling Christians dumb. What do you care anyway? How does faith in God bother you? You speak venomous words to children of God with what purpose? Clearly you are blinded by the devil. I pray God has mercy on your pitiful soul and that you see the truth before it is too late.
seanipie 3 weeks ago
GOD I FAKE!!!!!! FUCK RELIGION!!!! FUCK ALL OF YOU FOR BELIEVING IN SOMETHING FAKE!!! STUPID DUMB ASSES!!!
WP88457 3 weeks ago
@WP88457 You might need some serious help.
punchdrunkatheist 2 weeks ago
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The Roman Catholic church is a disreputable institution. Many of the clergy are sexually frustated sad individuals who prey upon others. Believe me - I was one of their victims and I depise them.
hotelflamingo 4 weeks ago
Hideous and unspiritual! Wretched guitars, tawdry aesthetics, if I had to worship here I would throw up! How badly the Catholic Church needs to re-establish the timeless treasure of the traditional Latin Mass!
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ScoobyLeeTracy 1 month ago
Jokes on you all, God isn't real.
MistrKyle 1 month ago
@MistrKyle You make that statement with the same FAITH that I have in his existence!
TheRougeHawksClan 1 month ago
When Jesus was referencing to his body and blood it was symbolic. It is preposterous to think that Jesus turned a piece of bread into Himself. When Jesus said "this is my body" or "blood," He did not change the substance, but was explaining that He is the one "represented" by the passover bread and wine.
Christ spoke in figurative terms, referring to Himself as "the door," "the vine'', "the light," "the root," "the rock," "the bright and morning star," et cetera.
Mcstroke57 1 month ago
@Mcstroke57 Right, you've got it, "McStroke57"... You know better than St. Paul. You are definitely more authoritative than the earliest of Church Fathers. You know better than the first one thousand five hundred years of exegesis and tradition. Don't forget, your faith was apart of the Catholic Church until 1521 AD. That's 1521 Anno Domini, or the Year of Our Lord... guess where that came from? You guessed it. The Catholic Church.
BallisticPenetration 1 month ago
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@BallisticPenetration "You know better than the first one thousand five hundred years of exegesis and tradition." You follow the traditions of men instead of God.
"Don't forget, your faith was apart of the Catholic Church until 1521 AD." I follow Jesus Christ.
I was not and never will be a part of pagan sun worshipping pedophiles who make false teachings, celebrate pagan holidays, change God's commandments.
Do some research on the Roman Catholic Church and wake up.
Mcstroke57 1 month ago
Love God, with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your spirit. Love your neighbors as you love yourself.. These are the greatest commandments.
priceisright1204 1 month ago 2
The bible is a guide of how to treate ppl in life to how u would want to be treated. I dont take every word seriously.
willstaruss22 1 month ago
dude catholicity is creepy. sorry
NewsonGK 1 month ago
@NewsonGK Why is catholicism creepy, want to give examples?
VVe11erMichae1 1 month ago
@VVe11erMichae1 yall is just creepy. and you pray to saints, which you're NOT supposed to do.
NewsonGK 1 month ago
@NewsonGK Praying to saints are a misconception. We are always directing to god but what we want is for the saints to pray for us, They are of course in heaven and are closer to god. They Intercede for us.
VVe11erMichae1 1 month ago
@VVe11erMichae1 OOOOH thats funny, i'm pretty sure it says in the bible not to pray to any other but God ;p
NewsonGK 1 month ago
@NewsonGK We do not pray to saints!!! You should learn about a religion before you judge it. We are Christian!!
Nicole3900 3 weeks ago
@Nicole3900 lol all that tradition is too much. and confessions? people want to be loved, not to be judged
NewsonGK 3 weeks ago
I recently began exploring Christianity after years of atheism. I began exploring the Catholic Church because in my mind it represented traditionalism, history, and a sense of the sacred. I've always loved cathedrals, ritual, chanting etc. If this is Catholicism, then this is quite disappointing. It looks like a bunch of goofy people trying to compromise and be "relevant" to modern culture. I began looking into Catholicism as an ANTIDOTE to modern culture. I am quite disappointed.
bawright462 1 month ago
@bawright462 Don't be disappointed. There are many different Catholic churches and this is only one. Plus there are different types of masses. For example, the neocatechumenal way is another one besides this. Anyway, this is but one mass (I haven't watched this video). So don't be disappointed. The Catholic Church is great! :)
Nicole3900 1 month ago
@Nicole3900
the catholic church is great, what you have today is the vatican 2 sect, it's not catholic, you must not attend the new mass as it's a sin, you can go to a traditional latin mass
davidemtl 3 weeks ago
@bawright462
the "catholic" church of today is not catholic,it's the vatican 2 sect that has taken over, the mass of today is not valid, you must go to a traditional latin mass, the pope is not catholic, he's a heretic, we live in crazy times
davidemtl 3 weeks ago
@davidemtl - Latin? LOL! Eastern Orthodox has kept the tradition, Catholicism is in apostasy! What nonsense, you must have mass in Latin, a language, the people do not even understand. Laughable!
EvertonFooty 3 weeks ago
@EvertonFooty
eastern orthodox rejects the papacy,since you're not catholic why would you comment. you don't know what you're talking about
davidemtl 3 weeks ago
@davidemtl - Of course we reject the lying papacy, the pope was never above all, he was first among equals. Speaking in Latin is beyond stupid, no wonder most Catholics do not know what is going on.
EvertonFooty 3 weeks ago
@EvertonFooty
most "catholics" today don't listen to the mass in latin but are nonetheless clueless about what has really happened to the true church, you don't know what you are talking about, Peter was first pope read Matthew 16, John 21, Luke 22, Isaias 22,
davidemtl 3 weeks ago
@EvertonFooty Wrong. The Primacy of Peter was always there as complete and supreme authority. Read the Early Church Fathers, including the Eastern ones. They all support this view, and Rome has always been authoritative. The Epistle of Clement from the 1st century shows this.
TridentinumZealot 1 week ago
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Be born again and you will be saved
bacon647 2 months ago
babies cannot be baptised because they dont understand. They dont understand that is why you have to wait until they are like 10 or so when they can understand. their water is not holy either! sorry to bust you bubble. The ONLY way that you can be saved is to be BORN AGAIN! you need to! that is the only way to heven
bacon647 2 months ago
@bacon647 amen brothaaaaaa
NewsonGK 1 month ago
Catholics have issues. They are a religion who is lost and confused. The pray to mary. That is wrong on so many levels they praise people "saints". the think that the "pope" can "bless" things. No he cant u idiots!!!! You think after some stanger say " i bless this flower" you retards think that it is holy!!! Does anyone else notice how they sound llike robots? lol! Catholics and lutherans think that if when you are a baby and you are not babtised you go to hell. that is not right!
bacon647 2 months ago
@bacon647,
"I say to you that everyone who...says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell." (Matthew 5:22, NASB)
According to Jesus, by calling Catholics "idiots" you are worthy of hell.
Not that I believe the Bible -- I'm an atheist; nevertheless, I believe you would do well to learn some common decency. How do you feel when atheists call you an idiot for believing in God? Catholics are people -- people with feelings. Show some kindness.
05lowell05 1 month ago
@05lowell05 why only catholics? God doesnt only speak for catholics, he speaks for all christians in general. catholicism is only one type of christianity.
thenoobscape1 1 month ago
@thenoobscape1,
Sorry, I don't know exactly what part of my comment you're addressing.
If you mean that Jesus meant calling any Christian an idiot was a sin, whether they were Catholic or any other denomination, then yes, I agree with that interpretation.
05lowell05 1 month ago
If there was a god he wouldn't make us sit threw mass.............
soogle1000 2 months ago
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HEIL MARY.
There is NO SUCH THING as clerical child abuse, it is ALL LIES.
No Priest of the Church has ever done any wrong in the eyes of Our Lady!
Up the IRA
VATICANVEVO 2 months ago
Ah ha ha the last song sounds like an Irish ballad
rayjlawlor 2 months ago
Im watching this video for the music throughout the mass some good some bad. Where is Here I am Lord damn it
rayjlawlor 2 months ago
zzz.......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
NyxRedvines 2 months ago
The Catholics are obviously trying to attract the Unreformed Protestants like the Lutheran and Episcopal with the changes in the much more formal liturgy with altar boys and the lighting of the candles and the ringing of the bells and burning of incense which they will gladly dismiss to fill their coffers which are going empty because they were heavily invested in Italian bonds which is about to go belly up. Watch as the Vatican becomes anxious to improve their bank accounts
JesusNonEnviromental 2 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental To be fair to Anglicans there services, on the whole, are more 'catholic' in terms of traditional service than this one. This is a major stumbling block that many don't realise. Vatican ll was heavily influenced by a 1960's mindset - the world has changed. (I do believe a lot of people claim changes were made that were not mandated also, including catholics. I doubt many have even read these documents).
BungleZippie 2 months ago
Ask a Catholic if Jesus Christ has saved him from His Sin. He will reply that no such doctrine exists because we must confess our sins to the priesthood and do penance and then appeal to Mary to ask Christ if He might forgive our sins and we must eat the eucharist for the forgiveness of our weekly venial sins and we must continue this until we depart this life and even then our sins follow us into purgatory where we must work to gain forgiveness. What has Christ done for me says the Catholic
JesusNonEnviromental 2 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental you have no understanding of true Catholic theology whatsoever. check out the Catechism of the Council of Trent ( with scriptural references that support it fully ) for the real deal. forget anything that comes out of the corrupt vatican II church.
jcbluefunk 2 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental We do not believe any such thing. Mary does not forgive us our sins. We believe that outside of the cross of Christ, there is no salvation. Only by grace earned the crucifixion, death, burial, and ressurection of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ are we saved. You are blasphemously interpreting the Catholic role of salvation. And don't reply me sayin, "No, this is what you believe cuz I said so." horsecrap. I should know what I believe. You are a deceived blasphemer.
HomeSkillet489 2 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental @JesusNonEnviromental The problem with the 1960's mentality was they thought everyone was moving towards ecumenical cohesion and unity. This aspiration began to die in the 70's and is now only being resuscitated by people who haven't caught up with the realities facing the churches. Evangelical Anglicans would never be Catholics 'period'. Conservative Anglo Catholics dislike the Roman liturgical changes and the liberals are killing every denomination they touch.
BungleZippie 2 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental Really? Because I'm Catholic and I believe that Jesus saved me from my sins. We are not supposed to receive the Eucharist if we are in a state of mortal sin until we confess our sins through a priest to the Lord. Christ died on the cross to forgive my sins
4077MASHRadar 2 months ago
@4077MASHRadar
Don't waste your breath brother. That guys just looking for an argument.
pboisei 2 months ago
Wow this is a long video. :|
TheZurinator 2 months ago
this is an invalid, illicit novus order PROTESTANTISED mass . Father Malachi Martin RIP- " 4 of the cardinals responsible for instituting the novus order mass were PROTESTANT FREEMASONS." truly DISGUSTING ! CHRISTUS REGNAT !!!
jcbluefunk 2 months ago
Roman Catholicism is not hiding anything. All you have to do is get a copy of the Catachism of the Catholic Church (easily attainable on the internet). CCC 1324 the eurchrist is the source and summit of the christian life. 1374 ...the eurchrist " the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity, of our lord jesus christ"..."real"...entirely present. This IS your man created god. A different jesus. 1378 to be worshipped. Idolatry plain and simple. Repent and believe the Gospel
only1wayJC 2 months ago
The Holy Father has ordered the burning of all guitars used in Mass; no exceptions.
RepentAmerica454 3 months ago
@RepentAmerica454 when did he say this? could you please give me a specific reference ? thx. Pax CHRISTI
jcbluefunk 2 months ago
@jcbluefunk --I was just kidding, but guitars and all non-sacral instruments have no place in the Holy Liturgy anyway.
RepentAmerica454 2 months ago
@RepentAmerica454
What an incredibly ridiculous thing to say.
AlicepulledAsunder 2 months ago
the beauty of the Gospel is that we are forgiven and receive forgivness from God by Grace through faith alone!
TheBraxton61 3 months ago
@TheBraxton61 Wrong! Faith and works!
assasincomedy 3 months ago
Please tell me what version this Sanctus Holy Holy Holy is in? I can't find it to tell my music director for my wedding. THanks!
wmhs02dm 3 months ago
It's just a shadow of the Christ you should be,
like the Virgin in the forest whom only the Devil sees.
skanemermaid 3 months ago
After learing Ave Maria I guess he would have to learn to use his Rosary which is provided by the church at no cost but they don't provide bibles that would be unneccesary according to tradition. He would then be told baptism and confirmation must take place so that he could eat and drink Jesus, excuse me, I meant eat because the drinking part is exclusive now to the Upper Elite.
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental The cup is offered to the faithful at most Masses celebrated nowadays. The reason that the cup was not offered for many years was to guard against the heresy that the Body and Blood of Christ were somehow separate after the consecration. Suffice it to say, it had nothing to do with some bent notion of hierarchical superiority.
NihilNominis 3 months ago
I can only imagine and conclude that noone who has been conversing with me has ever shared the Gospel with another person. Im assuming none of my combatants would even know how to share the Gospel of Jesus Christ with a lost person and this is the problem with the Catholic church. I guess you would tell him that he would have to join the Catholic church but first renounce any prior faith he might have in Jesus Christ and that he will need to learn to recite Ave Maria for penance
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental He should learn to recite the Ave Maria for love of Our Lady, not simply for penance. The false gospel you preach, no, I have never shared that with anyone. The Faith preserved whole and entire by the Apostles and their successors, yes, I share that often.
NihilNominis 3 months ago
@NihilNominis The Lord asks you to go and confess His name before men, How do you share the Gospel which all men are told to advance. Share with me the message that was delivered by the Apostles to Judea and the uttermost parts of the earth. Let me remind you this was long before the Vatican or the papal authority which you follow. Pretend you are Phillip and speaking to the eunuch, What did Phillip share with him that he would be baptized and go away rejoicing
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental One thing he certainly shared was the necessity of baptism, which apparently (if I am not gravely mistaken in my reading of your posts) you do not profess. Why otherwise would it be Our Lord's command not simply to convert them, but explicitly to baptise them? And these little departures grow and grow as the schism persists until the Gospel preached no longer resembles at all that of Christ.
NihilNominis 3 months ago
@NihilNominis I can tell you with confidence that I am a child of God by Gods Will and not my own. My understanding is by revelation and not study. Anything we read cannot be digested unless the Holy Spirit approves its inspiration in our hearts and minds. I am a work of God and not of my own will and creation so your judgement of my confidence is merely an accusation against the handy work of God. I am nothing and Christ is everything and I stand today at peace with God because of Grace
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental You say this as if your subjective interpretation of the Will of God based on internal movements within yourself should hold any weight with anyone else. If your witness is your life, rather than your words, then despair now of ever converting anyone online, as we have no window to your life. If, however, you mean to convict us of our error in writing, then appeal not to what we see not. I correct your misapprehensions of Catholic dogma. You carry on misapprehending.
NihilNominis 3 months ago
I can only interpret this as a certain obstinance on your part, not to convert, but rather even to see clearly what it is you are attacking. A son of God who has been set free from sin and death and lives in the grace of God, it does not seem to me, should appear to be so frightened of the truth that he resorts over and over again to attacking strawmen, and never levels a single valid charge against the Church. Yet because of your "grace," you expect me to call your calumny truth?
NihilNominis 3 months ago
@NihilNominis You type a whole lot but say very little, I on the other hand speak very boldly about my faith and confidence and rebuke with authority. You seem to be hesitant to proclaim anything but my ignorance or your sect born from Rome and perserved with the sword and at the cost of the blood of saints. Your rituals can be practiced by Hilter himself but its only Grace that changes the Heart and causes men to love God. Keep your traditions and continue your apologies at nauseum
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental "I...rebuke with authority"
Whose authority? Who gave you this authority and can you offer proof?
TheChurchAuthentic 3 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental You undermine any authority you may have by erring on the most basic facts, and you rebuke us for errors to which we do not hold.
NihilNominis 3 months ago
I dare any Catholic to try and investigate the Wealth of the Vatican. In doing so, you might not find God but you might come to your senses about who you are serving.
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
.. Catholics are conditioned to praise their church instead of Jesus Christ, when they do speak of Jesus it is related only to Jesus giving keys to Peter or that Peter is the Foundation of the Church. They are conditioned to think of Mary as the giver of Grace and Peter having dominion over death and hell and not Jesus. Jesus is merely a coworker or sacrifice to be mocked and scourge on a weekly basis instead of being Worshiped as King of Kings and Lord of Lords
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental That is a ridiculous assertion to make. Christ is praised and adored without ceasing in the Catholic Church. What church would proclaim Herself the Bride of Christ and then lapse into narcissism, and neglect Her Husband? Peter's "dominion" over death and hell you seem to have picked up from lousy jokes. Peter's keys were given to him by Christ, and all the graces which Mary dispenses likewise come to her from Christ. Without Him, Mary, Church, Peter, are nothing.
NihilNominis 3 months ago
@NihilNominis Again, Religious babble and talking with a forked tongue. Christ is not praised and adored in your Church. He is crucified anew every Sunday on your altar as a lamb to the slaughter and instead of the Romans and Unbelieving Jews crucifying Him its your priesthood. That Mass is an abomination and you cover its darkness with flowery speech. Peter had no literal keys you unlearned people, it was a metaphor. All christians enter through the Door (Christ) by faith
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental Do you honestly believe that we think Peter has literal keys??!! We believe that Peter's keys were literal as much as you believe that Christ has a doorknob and keyhole! They are both figurative!
You are a polemicist extraordinaire, who cut yourself off from any reasonable discourse, locked and lost in your schism as you cling to almost comical calumnies about the Church. It grieves me that you have cut yourself off from the harbour of truth and unity of faith.
NihilNominis 3 months ago
@NihilNominis Love that one, Harbour of Truth, Im assuming you meant Harbor. I thought Jesus was the Truth? (Jn 14:6) and I thought it was the Holy Spirit that reveals "Truth" to the believe (Jn 15:26) and God (Ph 3:15) But it seems the Catholic church has substituted itself in the place of God in these verses. No man knoweth the Father except the Son who revealeth the Father to whomsoever he will. (Luke 10:22) And the Word of God shall make you perfect in Truth (2 Tim 3:15-16)
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental
No, he meant harbour. FYI either spelling is correct, harbour is the UK spelling and acceptable English, or I should say harbor is acceptable English. JNE should not bring up spelling and grammar. It is not your forte.
TheChurchAuthentic 3 months ago
@TheChurchAuthentic In America we spell it Harbor. I claim to be the most ignorant man who walks the earth and the most sinful of all men as my brother Paul claimed. I have no pride or ego or boasting except in Gods Grace to the weakest of men to confound the mighty and the rich and the haughty
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental "I claim to be the most ignorant man who walks the earth"
Now we're making headway.
TheChurchAuthentic 3 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental Good. You'll find that sentiment in many of our saints, as well, and Doctors of the Church. Although I'm sure that you will have some excuse for why they can't really mean it, while you can.
NihilNominis 3 months ago
@NihilNominis Look at your Vicars, Look at the Vaticans bank which has ties to Italian mafia. Im waiting to see what the Vatican will do with its Italian Bonds as Italy goes belly up. It seems the Vatican bank is heavily invested in JP Morgan, Gold and of course real estate. Its amazing what you can learn if you hit an enter key, its seems there is some conspiracy rumors about your Pope John Paul I being murdered by your hiearchy, but don't go there you might lose your faith in them
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental I can read a lot of mad opinions if I hit an enter key. I tend not to believe all of them, or indeed most of them. Judging, however, by your complete rejection of Catholic doctrine, I should suppose that you do not believe anything you read, either, but only that which accords with or supports what you already believe.
NihilNominis 3 months ago
@NihilNominis You are exactly right, we are all conditioned to believe what is in our hearts. The wicked heart of man rejoices and celebrates the gratification of the flesh. My heart was changed by Grace from a hardened heart to a heart which rejoices in righteousness and a love for the Father. I received the Gospel as the power unto salvation because I was preconditioned by the Holy Spirit who opened my ears and gave me faith to believe spiritual things which the natural man has no ability
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental I am of course not going to deny that any of the sort of thing you are talking about happens. Nevertheless, I find it very dubious that the Holy Spirit would lead to you a particular denomination (or keep you out of communion with it) on the basis of rank calumnies about another.
NihilNominis 3 months ago
@NihilNominis We are separated because we have different Authorities. My authority is the Word of God (Sola Scriptura). You have chosen to add to that Authority a trust and adherence to the words of men because you believe that God still speaks through men as in the days of the OT. My scriptures teach me that in these "Last days" God has spoken to us through His Son and there is no more "Revelation" of Truth. (Heb 1:2)
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental Not at all. I discern (and I think the multiplicity of denominations justifies this) that the Scriptures are difficult to interpret, and that men alone relying on the Holy Spirit to guide them have come to vastly different conclusions. And so I take God at His word, that He will be with His Church until the end of time, and will guard it from error (and before you lay into that, it is meant in a very specific sense). This is not the same as continual revelation.
NihilNominis 3 months ago
@NihilNominis We have no unity in Faith, My faith rests entirely on the Finished Work of my Savior and Lord and your Faith rests in sacraments, Mary's intercession, your priest, your eucharist and confessionals, your infant baptism and your alms. There is a chasm between us larger than the chasm in Hell between Abrahams bosom and the Rich man
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
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. The Mass or Massacre of Christ on a weekly basis on their altar of abominations is a mockery of Christs death and sacrifice on the Cross. They franchise this demonstration of mockery to influence its followers that their Priest is gaining favor with God and gaining grace for their sins. This is so dark and so demonic that the devil laughs and even unbelievers can discern its superstition and self glorification of their priesthood.
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
This mass seems very informal compared to what I am used to at the Roman Rite!
Efrasios 3 months ago
@Efrasios It has surely changed and its morphed this way to attrack floundering protestants who are seeking a religious fleshly experience that the Body of Christ does not offer. They are drawn by the pageantry and eloquent babblings of sinful men who lead them like sheep without minds or hearts for God
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
@Efrasios Listen how they repeat the words of the Priests, This is complete control of the mind and heart that is demonstrated in all cults. They are willingly led because they find no ability to love God or know him in a personal way in their own personal devotions. Catholics are actually unregenerated souls who find comfort in the religious teachings and study of others who appear by all senses to be godly
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
LORD LUCIFIER, BEBIAL, LEVIATHAN, AND SATAN WILL BURN YOU ALL.
With blood and rage of crimson red, Ripped from a corpse so freshly dead,Together with our hellish hate, we'll burn you all, THAT IS YOUR FATE
Stoner69ification 3 months ago
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Hi,neat hey did anyone visit that web site amazingdiscoveries well they have his series on total onslaught.Well the man walter veith is a former Catholic.Check out the one on the islamic connection. Wow I did not know Catholism invented Islam.
marinegrunt76 3 months ago
Any one who calls themselves a Catholic should read the about the "Catholic Inquisition" and if you can read this History and still embrass the Catholic religion as the "One Holy and Apostolic Church" then you are lying to your own conscience. Even the followers of Hilter who still live today are in hiding and have changed their names for shame of the inhumanity of their former emperor.
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental
Any one who calls themselves an American should read about the "Civil War" and if you can read this History and still embrass [sic] the United States as the "One Nation under God" then you are lying to your own conscience. Even the decendents of slave owners are in hiding today and have changed their names for shame of the inhumanity of their ancestors.
TheChurchAuthentic 3 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental The fact that Protestant Reformers also created inquisitions to root out Catholics and others who didn't follow the doctrines of local Protestant sects means no Protestant can make such claims without having it backfire on himself. Also, like all churches, the Catholic church happens to contain sinners, some of which are in positions of power. Paul and Christ himself warned against "ravenous wolves" among church leaders.
PerciVN 3 months ago
@PerciVN The Lord says is you lay with a Harlot then you are a Harlot. Every church which is defined as an Autonomous Congregation of Believers and not a denomination. My Pastor has never tortured or slaughter whole families of Catholics. My brethren I fellowship would never and have never associated with any group or sect that murdered men, women and children and burned them at the stake for loving Jesus and not the Pope. You bow to your Vicar in Rome and know his history
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
Respond to this video... I am reading the Writings of William Tyndale and his crime was translating the scriptures into English for the common man. The Catholic religion only presented the scriptures in Latin which was understood by few to keep the people in bondage to their priest. Tyndale was burned at the stake by the Pope's decree. The blood of the Catholic religion runs higher than the holocausts of Hilter or the religion of Islam
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental No, his crime was translating the scriptures into English in a way favourable to his own particular heresies and spreading the confusion, schism, and corruption which, unbounded, have destroyed Christian civilisation.
NihilNominis 3 months ago
@NihilNominis Obviously they haven't destroyed the Church, which God will protect until the end of time, but they have also brought many souls to perdition.
NihilNominis 3 months ago
@NihilNominis Oh really, How did he do that? I think Moore who was a Catholic apologist had a problem with Tyndale's translation because it was made available to the public in their own language instead of the dead language of Latin. Tyndales translated the word "ecclesia" to "congregation" instead of "church" which took away from the catholic's deception that there is only one oligarchy "church" to rule over the whole world which is totally unscriptural and brought about the Inquistions
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
@NihilNominis Think about what you just typed, You just agreed that a man should be burned at the stake in the name of our Lord and Savior. If you believe that Christ taught the Apostles to burn alive those who did not believe their report then you are so blind that even darkness is too bright for you. Read your Gospels if you haven't and see if that is the teaching of our Lord who told Peter to put up his sword. The wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God (James 1:20)
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental Did I agree to that? No.
I disagreed with your interpretation of what his crime was. You can continue to adopt an outdated, debunked, polemic, Protestant historical dialectic, or you can actually try to understand why people behaved as they did, instead of constructing the wickedest strawman you can conceive of and call it Catholicism.
NihilNominis 3 months ago
@NihilNominis Your remark did not rebuke your mother church, you spoke as if you would have personally lit the fire. When I show you the error of your thinking, you amazing come out of your hypnosis. Catholicism is the Harlot of the World and the pope its AntiChrist. Your gospel of sacraments and sacrifices of our Lord on your altar of abomination shall burn in hell and all those who bow at that Altar of Works and boastings
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental The Catholic Church is the Bride of Christ, His own Body, born of the blood which poured forth from His Side during His sleep of death upon the Cross as Eve was taken from the side of the first Adam in his slumber. She is one, she is holy, although her members cause division and are unholy, she is universal, catholic, proclaiming to all men the same Gospel which She Herself has received, apostolic, from the Apostles through their successors.
NihilNominis 3 months ago
@NihilNominis The Apostles would not have burnt those who did not accept the Gospel, nor does the Church Herself ever undertake to execute anybody, nevertheless, throughout history certain states, cognizant of the fact that Catholicism was intimately bound up their social order, have made crimes against Christian unity crimes against the state, and such obtained in Tyndale's time. The Church has recognized the justice of these laws, though they are inconceivable in a modern, secular state.
NihilNominis 3 months ago
@NihilNominis These conditions emphatically no longer obtain, thanks to the fact that the unity of Christians has been disrupted to such an extent that the Faith can no longer suffice for the common ground on which a society can be built. As such, we find ourselves reduced to associations built on the vaguest of natural law principles, and this compromise state, the secular state, although born of the Augsburg peace between Christians, has been weaponised against us by Christ's foes.
NihilNominis 3 months ago
@NihilNominis We shall see at Christs Return who will stand in that Judgement. You with your works and keeping of sacraments and worshiping of Mary, Saints and Statues and Pope or Me by the Grace of God alone granted to me by faith in Christs atoning death for my sins. I shall GLORY in Gods grace in Christ while you shall boast of the Grace given by your Rosary, Infant baptism, eucharist and prayers to Mary.
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental At the Last Judgment, we will both stand before the throne of God and be judged by how much we responded to his gratuitous grace, poured out upon us for our salvation. God's grace is a free gift, unmerited. None is saved by his own works, and these works only gain merit once the one working has been sanctified by God's grace. A sinner's works profit him nothing, nor can they ever make him any but a sinner. This is Catholic dogma.
NihilNominis 3 months ago
@NihilNominis You are obviously ignorant of Catholic Doctrine or you're confused. Catholics must partake of the Eucharist for the forgiveness of Sin, the Eucharist is a nonbloody sacrifice of their Jesus on the Altar and His blood shed for the remission of sin (Venial). Your church also teaches baptism is necessary for Salvation as well as the veneration of Mary for Grace. These are works that are necessary for Salvation in your denomination.
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
The works of the God-man Jesus Christ whereby He reconciles us to God and makes us partakers in His divine life are not the same as the works of the law which St. Paul speaks of. That Baptism is necessary for Salvation is attested by the Scriptures, for a man must be born again of water and the Holy Spirit. John the Baptist baptises with water, and Christ Himself, although sinless, is baptised to give us an example and emphasise its importance. He commands His apostles to go out and baptise.
NihilNominis 3 months ago
@NihilNominis Catholics also teach that Salvation is not promised to anyone and faithful catholics can expect to work out their salvation in purgatory. Their time in purgatory is of course shortened by their works of Grace to include Veneration to Mary, alms, Mass attendance. The Catholic Christ has not attained anything for its followers and his blood must be offered every sunday and every service for remission of sin.
Read your Ecumenical Council teachings or you will be Anethama
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
Salvation is promised to all of those who die in sanctifying grace, and those in Purgatory have died in that state; no one in purgatory is still "working out" his salvation, rather, he is being prepared, purified, for the vision of God in the face. A life full of charity and penance on earth, of course, conforms us closer to Christ, and so naturally is meritorious and reduces the amount of purification that is necessary. Christ obtained for us remission of sins and eternal life. Not nothing.
NihilNominis 3 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental I can only tell you what the Church has always confessed. It grieves me that you have been deceived into hating Her by a vile caricature. If you are so entrenched that you cannot even take me at my word as to what the Church teaches, then there is nothing I could do to reach you. If, however, you can at least see that some of your notions of Catholic belief are inaccurate polemics, then perhaps we might actually begin to cover some theological ground.
NihilNominis 3 months ago
@NihilNominis Again, you mention the "church" there is no such teaching in scripture. Give me scriptures which talks about "The church" and Im not speaking about the figurative church of all believers from Pentecost to the Return of Christ and its refered to in scripture as "the body of Christ" or Bride. You'll see in scripture autonomous congregations under no central oligarchy like Rome, the word "Churches" is used over 40 times. Revelations shows 7 churches with different problems.
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental The Catholic Church at that time was comprised of seven autonomous particular churches. Now there are 23. These churches are all in full communion with one another, and together they comprise the Catholic Church. Peter, who among the Apostles had the primacy (for Christ prayed for him that his faith might not fail), and his historical sees were at Antioch and then at Rome, where he was martyred. And to the Roman See has, from the beginning, been given his primacy.
NihilNominis 3 months ago
@NihilNominis I am amazed at these statements, its obviously a consorted efforted by Catholics zealots to have an answer for everything lol Its amazing and quite sad Now theres 23?? not 24 or 24,000 or 500,000 but just 23 lol Sir, you sound as if you're reading from a script or something handed to you. I would burn that paper if I were you
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental I am relating mostly from memory. Would you now burn me?
You have accused us of heresy, blasphemy, and murder. Shall we not answer those charges?
NihilNominis 3 months ago
@NihilNominis There are 23 independent local churches which comprise the Church catholic, or universal, which is the visible Body of Christ in the world. There were at one time 7. This is just a straight fact. The Body which they comprise is under the headship of Christ, although He rules Her through a visible hierarchy here on earth, just as He confers His grace upon us through visible signs, the Sacraments.
NihilNominis 3 months ago
@NihilNominis Sounds like a script handed to you by a Catholic lawyer lol
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
@NihilNominis Christ said, Love your enemies, Pray for those who persecute you and live peaceably with ALL men. Go now and be wise as serpents but HARMLESS as doves
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
The laity of the catholic religion watchs as one man offers a false sacrifice to our Lord and Savior. The Lords Supper was ordered to commemorate His Death and Suffering as we all partake of his suffering in this world and are washed in his blood. The Canon of the Catholics now orders all to worship this wafer not to just consume it. They do not allow the laity to drink the wine because that would destroy the visual of the liturgy. At the center of the Catholic church the Mass is idolatry
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental
You are uninformed about the Catholic Mass and the teachings of the Church. Why do you propagate what is false as if it were fact?
First, Catholics do not worship a wafer, but the risen Christ in his Real and True Presence. Second, Catholics at times consume Holy Communion under both species. The Eastern Rite always consumes both. Educate yourself.
TheChurchAuthentic 3 months ago
@TheChurchAuthentic I attended Mass as a young boy and teen and was never offered that grape juice. My Family on my Fathers side are all Irish Catholic and my father has 5 sisters and 2 brothers. I am well aquainted with the liturgy and the pageantry and visual experience of the church which is designed to entice the flesh and does little for the Spirit. I have bowed to the statues as a boy and lit the candles if I could get a quarter from my Grandfather, May God have mercy on his soul
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
@TheChurchAuthentic I suggest you read the Councils of the Catholic church, It says to specifically vernerate the elements as well as art or drawings or carvings of Saints, Mary or Jesus. No Catholic church can be erected with relics and pieces of art for veneration. Get with the program that you so sincerely defend
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental Should have read, .... without relics and pieces. The Catholics didnt want to look like the Protestant church down the road
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
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And your point?
TheChurchAuthentic 3 months ago
@TheChurchAuthentic My point, Come to know the minds of those you follow. In the OT if a prophet were not 100% correct he would be put to death as a false prophet and stoned. The bible says that those who instruct or teach shall be judged more harshly, I see the brethren mesmorized by these doctrines which I find blasphemous so I go to the source to validate my judgement or to be corrected. I have already found a clue, Ambrose taught in a mystalogical way unlike others before him
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental For any church or congregation to be so popular and honored and rich in a World that profanes the name of Christ, any followers must ask themselves why?? How can the secular world who doesn't know Chirst speak so reverently and honorable about the Pope. This world has killed the prophets, Jesus Christ, His Apostles and an uncountable number of the brethren, Why is this Pope and his Bishops and Cardnals so respected and revered in an unbelieving world
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental "Why is this Pope and his Bishops and Cardnals so respected and revered in an unbelieving world"
Really? There are many detractors inside and outside the Church. The faithful love them.
TheChurchAuthentic 3 months ago
@TheChurchAuthentic If you weren't so Catholic indoctrinated, I would find most of what you say to be very insincere. We are two men on two different paths and these paths have crossed it appears for some vain babbling of church doctrinal positions, but since God is the author and finisher of our faith I can only assume that it has benifited us both. May Gods Grace be with you
JesusNonEnviromental 3 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental Thank you, and with you too. You're right. I am indoctrinated by my Catholic faith, and I indoctrinate my 5th grade catechism students so the next generation of Catholics will be well equipped to defend their faith. They will be praying for you.
TheChurchAuthentic 3 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental " Ambrose taught in a mystalogical way"
Do you mean "mystagogic"? If you do, I can't answer because I'm in way over my head.
I hope you find truth reading the Church Fathers.
TheChurchAuthentic 3 months ago
Crackin mass!! He really starts to hit his stride at 15.35. Ive watched a few of this priests masses now and he never fails to impress me. I'd love to see him live one day, seeing him in person would be something to behold I'd say.
thekeith1 3 months ago
The quaint nature of simple folk worshipping our Lord is something that I just find inspiring
ErnieFairchild1 4 months ago
god bless all...can you please list the songs in a complete mass????it will be highly appreciated,,thanks
jhasonify 4 months ago
Is this in Colorado?
YovilleProductions1 4 months ago
i love this i was raise catholic by my mom and i love catholic service i love the when the Father sings in Gregorian chant and my dad who is Jewish i go to temple with him on Saturdays and hearing the Rabbi chant in Hebrew is the same i love both my parents faiths
Becky123190 4 months ago
I haven`t been to Mass in fucking years. Two minutes listening to this, and I remember why.
valarmanwe 4 months ago
@valarmanwe Perhaps you should look up the Traditional Latin Mass, you would change your mind probably. I know I did.
AdversusHaereses 4 months ago
@AdversusHaereses I have lost my faith, pal. I have been to some amazing Masses. I suppose all Masses are intellectually amazing, if one believes what is claimed to happen at Mass. I`ve been to a Mass celebrated by a priest with the Stigmata - in San Vittorino ( September 1985 ). Been to Mass in St. Peters,` Rome. Plus at the Tomb of St.James in Santiago de Compostela, and many other amazing Masses besides - including some said in the Traditional Latin Rite.
They now mean nothing to me.
valarmanwe 4 months ago
@AdversusHaereses I have lost my faith, pal. I have been to some amazing Masses. I suppose all Masses are intellectually amazing, if one believes what is claimed to happen at Mass. I`ve been to a Mass celebrated by a priest with the Stigmata - in San Vittorino ( September 1985 ). Been to Mass in St. Peters,` Rome. Plus at the Tomb of St.James in Santiago de Compostela, and many other amazing Masses besides - including some said in the Traditional Latin Rite.
They now mean nothing to me.
valarmanwe 4 months ago
@valarmanwe Well you need to go gain your faith back and realize that it is a CHOICE. And it is about obedience as much as it is about "thinking" the Catholic Church is the truth. Just thinking Christ is the truth is nothing if you do not choose to follow him. Also dont make the mistake of inverting good with evil. Some people loose their faith after they commit sins because they feel they cannot be forgiven. You can always be forgiven if you want forgiveness and are willing change your ways.
frost122585 4 months ago
@frost122585 I thought faith was a gift. You`re calling it a choice. God is welcome into my life, any time God chooses.
valarmanwe 4 months ago
@valarmanwe Jesus healed those who believed first. Those who believe without seeing are blessed. You must believe first to initiate that gift. That is why God gave us the gift of free will first. You are your spirit and your spirit decides what it wants to believe.
frost122585 4 months ago
@frost122585 Ps. I`ve been thinking about what you wrote. Obedience ? Obedience to what ? Obedience to a chap with a red hat in Rome, because he tells you that Christ has told him to tell you that you must obey him because what he says is the word of a God ?
No thank you. I will use my own God given eyes and nose to spot a rat.
valarmanwe 4 months ago
@valarmanweYou certainly have the right of free will, given to you by God, to accept or reject his Church. I have my own personal doubts about the modern Popes, and V2 but I still believe in Christ and that Peter was the first Pope of his Church who's tradition would be carried on until his return. I am sorry that the well documented miracles of Fatima, and Lourdes and Guadalupe, along with the Shroud of Turin and the truth of scripture are not enough for you to accept Christ...
frost122585 4 months ago
@frost122585 but when Christ healed the deaf and dumb man he said "ephphatha" which means "to be open." First we have to be open to a savior, to Christ, then we have to take the leap of faith, after that one grows in faith and that is when the miracles happen. Take care.
frost122585 4 months ago
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@valarmanwe You certainly have the right of free will, given to you by God, to accept or reject his Church. I have my own personal doubts about the modern Popes, and V2 but I still believe in Christ and that Peter was the first Pope of his Church who's tradition would be carried on until his return. I am sorry that the well documented miracles of Fatima, and Lourdes and Guadalupe, along with the Shroud of Turin and the truth of scripture are not enough for you to accept Christ...
frost122585 4 months ago
@AdversusHaereses Amen bother. When I started going to the Latin Mass I gained my desire to go to Chruch back. It is just much more religious and serious.
frost122585 4 months ago
47 people aren't fully Christian. They're lost between 30, 000 sects trying to find The Church.
ChrisDaron 4 months ago
oh my God! rediscover gregorian and organ please!
CruxMeaLux 4 months ago 7
OMG - I look at some of these amazingly closed-minded and intellectually-challenged comnments about how this is "NOT" a mass and what is driving people from the Church. Good grief, open your eyes - masses like this exist to get more people in, to make it a little lest formal. I guess, according to all of you, that mass does not count unless it's Latin or 100% traditional. Ridiculous that you *think* you are in a position to pass judgemet - let's save that for someone a little higher in rank.
1320in8 4 months ago
@1320in8 The problem is that the mass is no longer represented as the Holy Sacrifice of Our Lord on the Cross. The irreverence shown in masses like this make it seem as if the laity are going to a gathering rather to participate in the solemn sacrifice of Our Lord. The Roman Rite's language is Latin exclusively and the fact that the new mass threw so many prayers out goes to say something at least of the theological richness and what it can offer to the faithful. It is a liturgical crisis.
AdversusHaereses 4 months ago
This is just so awful - why has the catholic church abandoned its musical heritage for this banality. It's a sad fact that when traditional hymns are used in the liturgy that no-one sings. This sort of music doesn not lend itself to the dignity of a RC mass.
foodie65 4 months ago
@frost122585
Lighten up! Yes, I wish this was the Mass I remember as a child in the late 1960s but it's not. I prefer to see the incense and the choir but alas these 'hootenanny' type Masses seem to be all the rage at this time.
szqsk8 4 months ago
@szqsk8 Well we got the Latin Mass where I am at and I go to it. I went for a night Mass during the Feast of the Assumption (which is no longer a Feast, sadly and incredibly) and it was a great Mass. Gregorian Chant incense and all. The Homily was on "being like Mary" in that we need to try and say yes to God's will in all things as She did without fail. Take care and God bless.
frost122585 4 months ago
@happyghost2011
You may not be a supporter of Hitler or the KKK but you are a bigot nonetheless. Posts like this have no place on a video Catholic Mass. Remember Jesus' words: "I give you peace, my peace I give you.". Words to live by my brother, especially today 9/11.
szqsk8 4 months ago
...that there is such a thing as "rites" of the Holy Eucharist. There are different rites, different ways of offering the Sacrifice, but there is one common theme, and that is the Institution Narrative. If the words, "This is my Body, This is My Blood" are pronounced over the bread and wine, this N.O. Mass functions as a rite- albeit a deficient one.
pj100003 4 months ago
@pj100003 You know I think when they add the words "for ALL" it changes the meaning and the form of the consecration. I am sorry that makes perfect sense to me. Now from what I gather they are going back to the Latin "for manny" and that would adress my objection there. As far as the new Mass I agree with you that it is deficient- and there there is nothing "in it" that makes it invalid. However, the argument is that it was said that the Latin Mass was to be used as the one Mass until the end.
frost122585