Well it's been weeks since you removed my perfectly cogent rebuttal and tried to lure me into a discussion with private messages instead of here. What's up with that?
Why censor my remarks - they weren't abusive or anything?
...to BE changed. To want to be changed. This is repentance, to change your mind, to become right minded. With the desire to be clean, and a want to be changed, one can put their hope in Christ Jesus and the Holy Spirit will do a work in them. This is assurance for all who are truly sincere.
I think one of the greatest problems that many non-believers have with the Gospel of Christ is that, for some reason (maybe what they take from what other Christians say) they think they have to change themselves in order to come to Christ and be saved. This is not true. I have enough faith in humanity to believe if mankind could be "good" (sin free) on their own, they would be - but they can't - it's not in their nature. No, you don't have to change, you only have to be willing...
This is what Einstein basically said, as well as many theoretical physicists at many times in history. It's not naive to think this, but it is a great assumption to say that God is like the one in the Bible without a bit of faith/trust. This merely points out a need for a God through contingency and causation. Not to be putting aside the possibility that it is the Christian God (or any personal God). I learned that in a secular school from an agnostic/atheist too.
Yet as a single quantised particle only went through one.
My point is, this universe is largely unexplained, and for you to stop asking questions and merely defend a pre-existing belief will only retard further scientific discovories.
Anyway, while this is a nice little bit of logic you've mashed together it in no way proves that the God you speak of exists. In fact, assuming your argument here was flawless, there is still the possibility for infinitely many Gods other than your own to exist.
@kitosborn "...there is still the possibility for infinitely many Gods other than your own to exist." Personally, I have no problem with your coming to that conclusion at all. But to use that possibility as your starting point, you have to being with the "truth" that God does indeed exist. From that beginning, to search out if there is only one God or maybe "infinitely many Gods", I feel confident you will find the one true God. Your greatest hurdle would have already been crossed.
@4GodSoLoves, it appears our opinions differ on this matter. I must first say that I do not believe (though nor am I strongly disbelieve) there is a God in any sense, let alone a personal God, and even further from my belief is that the Christian God exists.
If you have found the one true God, as you put it, then I do not believe it was through logic or reasoning, which is what I base my perception of this world upon.
*(though nor do I strongly disbelieve) - that's what I get for changing phrase mid sentance.
@4GodSoLoves. There are many explanations as to why you may believe you have found God, but as making a list of them may seem somewhat offensive I can only urge that you research such things yourself. As you hope I find the one true God, I hope that you do not live your life in expectation of something which will not come.
@kitosborn LOL - I do that all the time. As for my faith: I understand where you're coming from, but I have faith that anyone who is "sincerely" seeking the one true God will find Him in the Gospel - or they will not find Him at all. It is through faith that I have found the one true God, which is so much greater than logic. By this I have received more than evidence, but proof by means of the Holy Spirit. It is by the Holy Spirit, who leads us into all truth that we find God.
@kitosborn It seems you believe that knowledge is supreme – it is not. You don’t believe in God, so maybe you believe that to find the greatest knowledge, one has to search for the greatest human mind/s. So, I think, this in turn, keeps you from finding God. God doesn’t operate in such a way that the human mind can call logical – He is not limited in that way. His ways are not our ways. For example: Man’s way is, he must “see, to believe”, but God’s way…
@kitosborn This is not to say we can’t find logic or reason in many of God’s ways. In the story of redemption, for example: Because by one man’s act of disobedience (Adam), sin and death entered into the world; so by one man’s complete obedient life (Jesus), sin and death can be defeated. We find much logic in the ways of God as it would pertain to the scriptures, but God is not limited in such a way. Also we are told to reason together in Isaiah 1:18. So the Gospel is reasonable...
@kitosborn ...if you seek for that reason within the confines of scripture. What I mean is, if you seek to find reason or logic for the existence of God by seeking it in science, for example - you will find evidence, yes, but not God Himself. But once you find that evidence, you must seek Him in spirit and truth. He is found through faith. He can be found that way whether you have evidence or not.
@4GodSoLoves, it is as you say: 'believe, to see'. However if one were to truly believe in something then, regardless of its veracity, one would come to see what it is they believe. This is what I believe to be the illusion of God - as, I presume, you have been taught there is a God since birth and you firmly believe it to be so, would you agree that your mind may create the illusion of 'seeing' God regardless of his existance?
@4GodSoLoves. For to believe is to believe, and if said belief is not based upon an observation of something tangible then it will exist regardless of actuality.
@kitosborn If that is all there was, maybe yes. But, when we accept Christ, a change takes place and the old nature dies and we are reborn with a new nature - one that is formed in us by the Holy Ghost. His indwelling spirit then manifests in us by a rebuilding of the character of that new nature by means of the 9fold fruit of the spirit, which becomes our evidence, our knowing (which you can never have unless you also come) that God exists and that we are indeed His and saved. We...
@kitosborn ...can't show this evidence to you because it is self-evident, an experience or something that has to be experience to understand. We can only explain it the best we can, after all, how do you explain the taste of ice-cream to someone who has never tasted anything sweet - only have them taste if for themselves - self experience. So, it is understandable that you as a non-believer may not believe us in this, or that you would come up with some other explanation for it...
@kitosborn ...i.e. delusion, or a response of emotion or imagination - but you will never understand until you taste it for yourself, so-to-speak. God knows His own and we know His voice. We know - something you can never do unless you also come to believe - believe to see - you have to do it His way.
@4GodSoLoves. Well, only one of us can be right yet we both seem steadfast in our beliefs. I'm glad to have been given an insight into what you, and many like you, believe, but we both come at the same subject from such different directions that I do not think further discussion would effect either one of us in the slightest - as I'm sure you've realised. Perhaps one day science will show us God, or have such evidence to the contrary that you will become an atheist.
@kitosborn "Perhaps one day science will show us God, or have such evidence to the contrary that you will become an atheist." I wouldn't put much hope in the former and none in the latter. After all, once you know someone, how do you un-know them? But if you don't want to believe, you never will. But God bless, and thanks for the interesting conversation.
@kitosborn "...I presume, you have been taught there is a God since birth..." Yes, and no. I am a 4 or 5 time prodigal - a hard-header (I am 61). But like most Christians I know and associate with, we are learned - we are not pew-warmers who get our Christianity from a preacher and believe as we are told to. We study the Word of God and spend time in prayer.
@kitosborn Excuse me for one last intrusion, but something occurred to me, and it is something else you said: "though nor am I strongly disbelieve". You probably have no idea how very close you are - if you only will seek with real sincerity. One step further in to "little faith" is far enough if you will only act on it. Little faith is faith, after all and God honors all faith and will help it grow.
@4GodSoLoves When I said I do not strongly disbelieve, that was aimed at the idea of a God in any sense; while I cannot dismiss the idea of a personal God entirely it is, in my opinion, very unlikely.
My main problem with seeking God with sincerity is that to do so I must first admit that God exists, thus creating the illusion. Which is why, to maintain a scientific mind, I discipline myself to believe only what I see.
@kitosborn Would you really, really like to know if God exists? I mean, if there is a way, would you sincerely like to know for sure? Or do you either, don't want to know or don't care to know? Just asking.
@4GodSoLoves. While I am quite sure of my current beliefs, if there was a way to know, beyond all doubt, I would most definitely want to know.
I am not afraid that I would deceive myself, as I know I have the control to not become deceived; a control which I practise now by taking the stance 'see, to believe', rather than 'believe, to see'. If I 'fear' anything, it is knowing that should I sincerely 'look' for God I would find him regardless of his existence.
@kitosborn "If I 'fear' anything, it is knowing that should I sincerely 'look' for God I would find him regardless of his existence." Exactly - you're afraid of self deception. No, I'm afraid you will never know and you will continue to be deceived by wrong concepts. You block yourself, put up a wall to assure yourself that God cannot reach your heart. Knowledge is NOT supreme.
Ask, and it shall be given you; SEEK, AND YE SHALL FIND; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: -Matt.7:7
@kitosborn There is a way to know beyond all doubt - but it comes through faith, not knowledge. Faith in the fact that if God exists, He wants to reveal Himself to you. And it comes through trust. Trusting that He WILL reveal Himself, if you SINCERELY SEEK HIM in spirit and in truth. This happens by way of earnest prayer. Believe your prayer will be answered and watch for His hand to work. You'll know when He answers your prayer - you'll know - beyond all doubt - IF you are sincere.
@kitosborn I have told you, and I have prayed for you. Now you have to do your part. God will do the rest. You'll see - if you will believe these things. All this - through the FAITH that IF HE EXISTS - He will reveal Himself.
@4GodSoLoves Maybe buddha is the one revealing himself to me,to say to someone that he dosen't need evidence but only faith,is approving the fact that you don't have any evidence for the existence of your god,you just believe like your parents did,same thing with idol worshipers or other god worshipers,Prophets came with miracles and miracles are evidence,so to lie on god and say there is no miracle here in now days for people to see and to go to the right god,is just wrong !
@YamiYami17 If I am wrong, then he will know. Faith is required. Where is the evidence that a non-believer will accept? Sure there is evidence, miracles. There are NDE's for example, healings, visions, visitations - good enough? If they were, there would be no unbelievers. It takes faith, and many have come by faith alone having...
@4GodSoLoves Man i'm not sure what are the stories of the prophets in the bible,but when moses was send to pharaoh,he showed him a lot of miracles,and he didn't believe,a lot of nations saw a lot of miracles and just a few people believed,i give you an example of now days,you can show to an evolutionist that DNA is information,and he will understand that yet he will reject and disbelieve.
@YamiYami17 ...never witnessed a miracle, but the one that takes place in them. And I don't worry about Buddha or any of that. Just let God reveal Himself - He is who He is. Let it be as it will be for he who seeks Him. There is no fear, or reservation in faith. Let the Greeks defend their Gods and let Paul defend his - and let the fire fall. I am willing.
@4GodSoLoves Man if i don't seek evidence i will be fooled ,I mean look to the creation of god,it's all screaming of his greatness and power,it is an evidence that he exists,the same thing about the true religion of god the true way to him,it is screaming of how it's the truth and nothing is a like it,I can show you the evidence the miracle,it's on you to accept or reject like the evolutionists do with DNA.It's called the Qur'an.
@YamiYami17 Jesus said that the generation that seeks after a sign is a wicked and adulterous generation. People can be deceived by such and according to prophecy, many will be.
@4GodSoLoves Jesus healed the blind,revived the dead,walked on water .... and so on and on,he was a great prophet send to the children of israel,he showed them big sighns and they went on to kill him,but they couldn't ! So obviously jesus never said that,disblievers changed his word to fool people,to controll them,and i don't need to give you the stories of what the churchs used to do,you know them,God out of his mercey did send a last prophet,with an eternel miracle.
@YamiYami17 Look, I don't want to get into an argument over Jesus vs Mohamed, Christian vs Muslim. How can this help the seeker? If a non-believer doesn't see these miracles as evidence, in this case one who sees only science in creation, and sees Jesus' miracles as fables (even you claim the Bible was changed), how can these things be used to help him believe? I have agreed that life itself is a miracle - but he doesn't. Let him find God through faith, the same way you and...
@4GodSoLoves A disbeliever is someone who choosed to disbelief,for him there is no more test,he already made his mind,wether you warn him,or wether you showed him all the miracles,he dosen't care,god had sealed his heart,coz he knows that that servant won't change his mind,so he will let him enjiy the very small time he have in earth then he will puniche him in the after life.So please don't put an assumption over reason.
@YamiYami17 The assumption is yours - that he is lost before his time. As long as there is breath left in him, he may come. We were all lost before we came to God. Let no man judge another mans fate before God. Pray for lost souls, it is our reasonable service to God and to His everlasting Kingdom. God will decide a mans fate - it is not for us to do - it is for us to work and to pray.
@4GodSoLoves 100% true,that's why i said god is the one who knows and he is the one who guide his servants Or seales thier hearts because of thier disbelieve and thier choice of the immortal life over the eternel,don't get me wrong,if someone says to another that he will go to hell for sure,he will be risking himslef to going to hell and as you said it: "it is for us to work and to pray" god bless you !
@YamiYami17 ...have come. Even if you came to believe by miracles, you had to place your faith in them. Do you not believe that God can, and will, reveal himself to this non-believer through miracle or revelation, by some or any means by which this man will come to believe?
By the way...Matthew 16:4 -"A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas."
@4GodSoLoves "Even if you came to believe by miracles, you had to place your faith in them" Totaly agree,the brain reason and the heart believes,And no,god won't reveal himself to the disbelievers the ones that mock him,and fight him and his servants,exalted is he above all things, he doesn't need them,it's we the ones that need him,if we believed it's for our own good,we won't benefit god,we will only benefit ourselves!
@YamiYami17 "And no,god won't reveal himself to the disbelievers the ones that mock him,and fight him and his servants..." All of this can be forgiven a man; even we were once as these. Who are we, that our sins may be forgiven, but his cannot? And who are we that we should not be mocked? If a man cannot see God in those who claim to know Him, then where is the wonder that he would mock God Himself by virtue of this? All sins can be forgiven for blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
@4GodSoLoves Also agree,the problem with the disbelievers is that,they have illness in thier hearts,arrogants to the limits,blind no from their eyes but hearts,An evolutionist can't debunk an argument against evolution but he can reject it,with his heart,the same thing with the disbeliever,he can't argue agaist a miracle against a sigh,but he can only reject it with his heart,A revleation was sent to clear the conflicts of the jews and the christians,and to guide us back to god !
@4GodSoLoves We have sent revelation to you as We sent revelation to Noah, and the prophets after him, as We sent revelation to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and their descendants, including Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron and Solomon, and We gave David Psalms- of some Messengers before you We have told you, of others We have not- and God spoke to Moses as well.Messengers who gave good tidings as well as warnings, so that mankind, after the coming of Messengers,
Exist and not exist at the same time; impossible? Sounds a lot like quantum physics to me... By that I mean that all possibilities for our universe - no universe included - could have existed at once, such that only after all had existed at once did one exist.
Such as is experienced when firing a single photon at barrier with two parallel slits, when the light hits a farther wall an interference pattern can be seen, which implies the photon went through both slits at once...
@XGralgrathor So you came to the conclusion that evolution is not proven, but it has been observed so you would have to be stupid not to believe it. If it has been observed, wouldn't it have been proven already? The problem is that it hasn't been observed, and every day that we don't see any sort of gradual change in humans or animals, the date of the earth grows about a million years.
@iamtheplauge That makes no sense. If the universe has a cause, it has a creator...that's naturally what having a cause means. If what you're saying is true- that all atheists believe the universe has a cause- there would be no such thing as atheism. So, if megatron created the universe, he would be God. We know that is ridiculous, so we believe that the God of the Bible is the one true God, which is a lot less ridiculous if you actually look into it.
I think you'll find that most atheists agree with you that the big band had a cause. We know that. But there is absolutely NO evidence that it was a god that caused it. Until we have some sort of proof, it might as well have been Megatron.
@erynb That is one atheistic possibility but it is wrong. the sun would have burned out. It takes about 3.6 billion years to do that, but it is far less than infinity.
Scientist claim that matter and energy was always here, even before the big bang. And us Christians believe God has always existed before the universe. The concept of energy and matter in this universe had to arise from some where outside of the universe and not from matter and energy itself. Which is Shawn makes a great conclusion. Probability is not intelligent and it is not self self aware.
@gextreme8 God is love in whoever loves, and where there is love a spirit will be against love persecuting it trying to make it bad. That is where persecution comes from. A human that kills all life will be apposed or deny or think what you think about God. Death will always be apposed to life, and that is why man without the life giving spirit in the soul will in every way imaginable will be against God. Do bad to anyone, and hurt the heart of God. Those that do will not have heaven in them.
@playerwithfaith In essence, you're asking this person to step off of their worldview in order to argue yours from your worldview's standpoint. It's a losing battle. You're presupposing a godless world. We know the universe and the world was created because God tells us it was. Now proven science does back that up but even if it didn't it's still true because God told us so.
@Hoogz20 "We know the universe and the world was created because God tells us it was."
-How does he tell you? A voice in your head tells you this, or are you reading from the bible? If from the bible, how do you know it is true?
You don't "know", you believe.
"Now proven science does back that up"
-Proven science says that we evolved and arose from non-life, which contradicts the genesis account. Don't you feel hypocritical when you disingenuously appeal to "proven science"?
@playerwithfaith This isn't up for debate. If you have questions that you actually want answers to then I'd be more than happy to answer them. It's quite clear what your intentions are and that you won't be satisfied with any answer provided regardless of any "proof" that I could give you. I will ask you this though; is evolution really proven science? If so, then can you explain it to someone? How much of what they call "evolution" has been observed?
Science is the method by which we derive theories and hypotheses from facts. The purpose of science is to gather data, to construct hypotheses around them, and if possible, gather those hypotheses together in an explanatory framework called a theory.
Hypotheses and theories are confirmed through evidence. Tehy are not subject to "proof" however. No finding in science is ever claimed to be "true" with "absolute certainty".
Evolution is an observed biological phenomenon. It is simply change over time. Evolutionary theory attempts to explain observations in molecular and developmental biology, comparative genomics, zoology and palaeontology in terms of what principles we can derive from our observations of this phenomenon.
While evolutionary theory, like every other theoretical framework, will never be complete, its central hypotheses at least (common descent, descent with modification) have been confirmed and reconfirmed by so numerous independent lines of evidence that it is entirely unreasonable to doubt that they are at the very least accurate reflections of reality.
@playerwithfaith Does it really make sense? What is the probability that from the highly complex cells found on earth to the vastness of the universe that everything could just "evolve" with such order? You don't have to respond but ask yourself these questions.. I love science. I used to buy the evolution theory, even after I was a Bible believing Christian. If you want some resources then send me a message or let me know. I have really great stuff if you're interested.
@playerwithfaith If you choose to put your faith in modern science and the wisdom of men (both always changing) then you can do that but why ignorantly attack others? That being said, our concept of time itself is a limited concept with both a beginning and an end. God is eternal which means He had no beginning or end and strictly from a logical stand point, such a being is necessary. Everything can't come from nothing and order can't come from disorder. Humans are limited to the finite.
@playerwithfaith Don't mistake religon with reality. The God of the Bible isn't a "religous" God. Religiousity can and never will please God. The only way we become acceptable to God is through faith in His son, Jesus Christ who died on the cross for our sins to and was raised from the dead to reconcile fallen men to a perfectly just and loving God. All have sinned and will die because the wages of sin is death. Unless they put their trust in Jesus who, through his innocent blood, cleanses us.
You thought this through incredibly venomfangx. kudos to you! solid logic and flawless articulation is a winning mixture in the battle against atheism.
@Menak666 Wow, you really need to take a class if you think a rock is conscious. You really don’t know enough to evaluate anything based on first person crystalized intelligence. This is the most fundamental analysis of consciousness I know about on you tube, you should watch it, because you need to start at the beginning. watch?v=fjPoh2miGeE&feature=channel_video_title
@Menak666 Quantitative is not equal to “non-physical”. Swimming is quantitative, are you saying the qualitative process of swimming is "non-physical?" (you confused me, had me useing the inverse of quantitative too.)
Nothing needed to cause the universe, because Casuation was created after the birth of the universe, before the universe does not exist because there was no time, and yes as some have mentioned look up the antropic principle, that should clear up a few of your problems. Also why does the universes definate age require it to have a creator? Vacum energy has NO creator, and the universe was born from vacum energy and QM.
@19markle19 Then why do you ramble? I mean every post you've made so is nothing but one big long rant with absolutely no argument. Here is my advice if you don't have a single coherent argument just shut up.
@vindicato15 Alright, this is getting ridiculous, think what you wanna think, man. There's no point in trying to talk to someone like yourself. Have a nice life.
@19markle19 No the only thing ridicules is people like you wasting our time with your rants. Learn how to formulate arguments and present them coherently and then perhaps we can take you seriously. Until then shut up.
If it's "philosophically and intellectully impossible" to declare yourself the cause of your existence, than what created god? This question keeps popping up and theist all give the same answer: "god always existed." this is obviously hypocritical.
you know why people hate christianity!?? its because christians fight too much! they ignore the message of Jesus Christ, and forget to show compassion and love!
To all those effected and mistreated by christians, i tell you, do not believe in christians but put your faith in Christ Jesus!!!
You are a gifted speaker. I enjoyed your video. It's true that life itself is a scientific and mathematical impossibility. Yet here we are. Every day I look in the mirror and have to explain what I see. There is only one explanation: God made me.
So your alternative to the "impossible" explanation is just another impossibility? We don't know of anything existing outside of time any more than we know of there being an infinite regress.
How is infinite regress impossible? If everything up to this point continues, it will be infinite. If the universe is in fact an infinite regress we are only a part of its infinity that is never ending. If you were to say time is infinite, it does not change the fact that we are going through it.
@Falloutglitch An actual infinite can never be realized, so in reaching an infinite would be contradictory, it would be as if one is to reach a point that literally cannot be reached. So if our universe is either the cause of infinite oscillation, or an infinitely stable predecessor reaching the infinite future (this point in space and time) in an infinitely old universe is impossible. because in reaching this point of space and time would be contradictory to space being infinite.
@thechristianknights Infinite doesn't stop, thats why time is elapsed over it. If the Universe is finite, what gives its primal cause an exemption? Things happen over time, and we are doing things right now that are elapsing over it. We are part of the infinite, it hasn't ended, AND it has no starting point, which is why you cannot say "we would be here if there were an infinite amount of time before us". Since there was no starting point and there is no ending point, it must be infinite.
@Falloutglitch What you must understand is that if the universe if infinitely old it lacks a beginning as you already know, you also know that you cannot count to infinity. Now I'm sure you know that an infinite can exist potentially, like the fact that we can indeed perceive a point that is infinite. Now if the universe is infinitely old, we know that an actual infinite cannot be realized, so if our universe was infinitely old it would be contradictory to what is considered infinite.
@Falloutglitch Now in saying that we are part of the infinite, you are presuming the universe has a beginning because we are in a finite stage on an infinite timeline. So if we are on a finite stage of the timeline or "part of the infinite" as you so claim then we could count the amount of time, or finite stages back to beginning of space and time. Yes it's true the ideal of a "first cause" does initially sound preposterous, however if one is to realize that the universe must possess cause...
@Falloutglitch then the idea of an initial cause is not so alien. Because our universe exist finitely it needs a cause, there must be something on the chain of causation by which exists by necessity, whether it be quarks that exist out of necessity or God as some would like to presume, either way it still leaves us with two conclusions 1, the universe cannot be infinitely old and 2, there must exist something on the chain of causation by which exists by necessity.
@thechristianknights The evidence at hand for an infinite Universe, or a primal cause are both weak. I only make speculation that everything in the cosmos has a cause; and nothing is excused, unless evidence given otherwise. So far, there is always another cause to each effect in the Universe. Wether it the discovery of planets, solar systems, galaxies, there always seems to be something more. Yet the obvious flaw of an infinite regress is not in proportion, with that of a primal cause.
@Falloutglitch But what you must acknowledge is that an infinite regress cannot exist. There's simply no debating that. Now, a potential infinite can exist, for instance, you can begin counting, and in theory, you could continuously remain counting infinitely, without ever actually realizing an infinite. The same is true for an initial cause, when looked at from the perspective of a definite chronology it exists potentially, all without actually being bound by time
@Falloutglitch Then how did we get here from an infinite amount of time in the past? Tell me, can you count down to zero from infinity? No. It is impossible to traverse an infinite amount of time. A train, representing the progression of time, whose tracks start an infinite distance away from a station, representing the present moment, will never reach the present moment.
@CarlosMarti123 What is to say the tracks have to stop at you? We are on the train, and its moving right now. We don't come from time.... everything we do is elapsed over it. Meaning space is also infinite. Perhaps both have always co-existed...
@Falloutglitch They don't stop at me, when did I say that? I said the progression of time can only reach the present moment if there is a finite amount of time preceding the present moment.
@Falloutglitch "If everything up to this point continues, it will be infinite."
It is POTENTIALLY infinite, which is different from ACTUAL infinity. Think of a counter on the wall whose value in digits increases once per second. Will there be a point in time at which the value ACTUALLY becomes infinite? No, of course not. It will increase forever, but will ALWAYS have a finite value.
@CarlosMarti123 Lol. If it is a clock that has the potential to be infinite, and is given an infinite amount of time, and it has always existed, it is infinite.
"The probability of something being the way it is is 100%"
The analogy works if you're trying to predict something, but the problem with it is that it's already happened. We're not flipping the coin, we're just looking at a list of all the tosses made thusfar. An understandable mistake.
@JOTRKID Oh great, can't you use that explanation for anything else? "Why did Obama win the election?" Oh, because there's an infinite number of universes and we just happen to be in one of the infinite number of universes where Obama won the election. "Why are there those Chinese characters on the wall?" Oh, because there's an infinite number of universes and we just happen to be in one of the infinite number of universes where these characters are on the wall.
@CarlosMarti123 Infinite universes don't come into it. Pick a shirt and put it on. Now roll some dice on the probability of wearing that shirt. Roll again. Are you still wearing that shirt? If you aren't you may be onto something.
@JOTRKID So you're arguing that the physical constants of the universe are that way because they are that way? Oh great. What a fine explanation you have there.
I suppose the reason there are dinosaur bones is because there are dinosaur bones? LOL!
@CarlosMarti123 And most notably, you're a close-minded backbirth cretin who doesn't listen to any reason that contradicts his own because you're a close-minded backbirth cretin who doesn't listen to any reason that contradicts his own. That make you feel good? And yea, I just went ad-hominem on yo ass.
@CarlosMarti123 Now to be a bit more diplomatic, you are using a brutal oversimplification of my argument, which is partially correct. Things are the way they are. The past doesn't change. But doesn't "I am that I am" sound familiar?
@VenomFangX talking about mathematics in public when you clearly don't understand said mathematics is a very bad idea. Bear in mind that mathematics is the only field of human inquiry in which positive and certain proof exists.
The Universe as YOU know it is just a SPARK from a collision of 2 potentials and the JET created by this even also seen similar to QUASARS but on a massively larger scale shows NO CREATOR but a cycle. All we know of science say we are just inside a jet of a collision event...No big bang no God No eternaity no foolish errors of dimensions.
GOD DIED as prophecy said.
Jesus died In INDIA as it is written
Peter brings for the the REAL CHURCH from them in 1966 till 2011, no one cared! REPENT
God is DEAD long live god "IAM" founder of the kingdom and carrier of the cure to mankind. Cursed be Lucifer the SATAN for ADDING all past HISTORY to the found others and so corrupted them with all the wrongs of the past. Blessed are the BARREN for they shall balance mankind. Blessed are the Builders for they shall make the earth a web as if a mind to think and do what mankind should of long ago.
Blessed are they that build the churches of Jesus as PERFECT villages as he teach 2000 years ago.
god "IAm is a MAN and he is eternal by his kingdom and being recorded same as jesus and same as us. Jesus teach as a man to read and write and forget GODS but YOU as a PAGAN chose to ignore us and go with lies.
ONLY THE RECORDED LIVE IN THE RECORDINGS AND ONLY THE CAN THE BE PART OF THE OBSERVER OF ANY AGE!
Please learn the3 basics of the religions you follow because we f God do not like Pagans faking our glory to be lies and lies even to not grasp the Universe basics of collision of potentials
coins are NOT 100% face or tails and do have a rim that if you land on it can be nether head or tails as in a crack or a lean on a wall or plain roll to a stop standing.
So basic logic say DO NOT PLAY COINS WHEN YOU SKIP OVER THE THIRD SIDE! flip of a coin is event ENDING not starting and so has no intentions at all and is retro vision that is never 20/20. No such thing as 10 dimensions as we proven SIZE is the only other dimension. It is clearly a very poor logic effort missing 1/3 of the data.
@VenomFangX If such evidence does appear, i will happily explore all options and switch my views accordingly. I dont consider it a leap of faith rather i consider it the most educated guess possible.
@VenomFangX Is it not faith based to say god created the universe? I will take any evidence not self refuted in its own texts (bible) over no evidence at all. I have watched your video's VFX and never once commented in a negative light in what you believe or see as the truth so please do not take this as a hate message.
I simply have not seen scientific data that has not been dis-proven by other scientific data that supports a creationist theory.
@KadlerDraven So he just presented to you a legitimate reason that the Big Bang couldn't of occured and you're going to reply that it was inevitable without a valid reason? Please explain.
It is ridiculous; like comparing the other planets in the solar system to earth is ridiculous, or other goldilocks planets to any other satellite any place in just our sloar system. Earth is an ANOMALY, but not the only anomaly in the galaxy and probably but one of thousands in the universe. It is solely an anomaly because of its position within the solar system. Your mysterious "God" did nothing other than "create" what was already inevitable. Tell it to Pluto and see what they think.
In an infinite Universe everything is not only possible, it is probable... Venom's limited capacity for understanding complexities such as these ensures that he'll likely always be mired in ignorance and superstition... Pity...
Because the miracles contradict science. Besides, its moot point to try and debunk them, as I've said about fifty times now. You can't disprove the flying spaghetti monster or ghosts.
You are the one who said it was charred black, not me. Don't use the argument from ignorance, because it isn't an argument. Just because we may not know something(and I suspect that it is already scientifically explained) doesn't mean God did it. God of the gaps is the stupidest argument.
@SSBB12347 It's all too much evidence for it all to be a coinsidence for the trinity to be fake (for Jesus's testimony to be fake). You just seem to be ignoring your own conscience, everything in existence is a moral matter, a "heart" matter, not a superficial matter, you are ignoring your conscience.
There is no evidence, none at all, sorry. Just because life exists and I have a brain which controls my bodily functions, or a 'conscience' if you will, doesn't necessitate the existence of the supernatural. Matter is NOT moral, because if it were, innocent children would not die at childbirth.
It also depends what exactly you define as morality. If we followed biblical morals, we would have slavery, we would be involved in human sacrifice, we would be genocidal, infanticidal, we would have no respect for women, we would pillage towns who didn't agree with us, and so on. These were the morals of antiquity.
Morals have evolved over time due to concepts such as the golden/silver rules and adapting to what works the best as a society, not by religion.
@SSBB12347 You said, "Just because we may not know something (and I suspect that it is already scientificall explained) doesn't mean God did it."
-that sentense you just said IS argument from ignorance and it is proof that you rely on the product of "chance" as a back door to ignore God in your conscience. you are being influence by the devil.
Argument from ignorance is making a positive claim based on ignorance. I wasn't making a positive claim, I was using my general knowledge of what Christians usually try to do to prove their pre-suppositions. Also, there is a scientific explanation for everything, including morals. Read "The Moral Landscape" to see what I am talking about.
The Devil is an equally absurd figment of your imagination, and I've noticed that Christians tend to use the devil as a last resort.
I doubt you even read it. You probably just looked up a scathing review of it on a creationist website. Christianity is what you should really not trust at face value.
what if you dropped the coin? Then it would be probability that it would fall out off your hand and land on heads or tails so if a RANDOM act happened then it could have been chance. So your wrong, Sir
@Bananapielord Explain what natural causes COULD cause Mt Sinai to be chard black. Explain the physics behind Mt Sinai being the only mountain to be chard black that way.
@SSBB12347 The Roman gods have been debunked because the Romans themselves were convinced that the gods would ensure that their empire would last for 1000 years st least, the Roman empire crumbled before it lasted 800 years. The Koran claims that the muslims had the land before the Jews yet it is documented by Jewish and non jewish text that the Jews lived in Israel 1300 years before Mohammed was even born & hundreds of years before arabs even existed as a people
Jesus said to his followers that the apocalypse would come IN THEIR LIFETIMES(this didn't happen, by the way). Does that disprove God? The Bible also said that Israel would be remade about 400 years after it was destroyed(off by a factor of more than a thousand years).
BTW your Bible advocates human sacrifice, genocide, infanticide, slavery, and it doesn't even respect women.
Your Bible is just as logically inconsistent as the other religious texts, if not more.
Lets turn this argument in a different direction. The majority of your posts have been posting specific biblical scripture, all of which is open to interpretation, very ambiguous, and very opinionated. I am not an expert in scripture, but that doesn't mean I have to believe it. You don't have to be a medical expert to resist drugs.
Before we continue, though, you must acknowledge the possibility that you COULD be wrong and Christianity COULD be made up.
@SSBB12347 How is the bible ambiguous? I read the bible, the text actually names the nations when it prophecied about them without the prophets orchestrating the fulfillment of each prophecy, I'm not lying to you, you can look it up yourself to see if I'm lying or not, Daniel's prophecy predates the conflict between Greece and persia, do the research to see if I'm lying or not. I'm telling you the truth - the bible actually named names of countries & the era that the prophecies would be fulfill.
@Terncote
Well it's been weeks since you removed my perfectly cogent rebuttal and tried to lure me into a discussion with private messages instead of here. What's up with that?
Why censor my remarks - they weren't abusive or anything?
Terncote 2 days ago
Maybe a God could exist, but any of the Gods created by religions are just implausible, its clear they are myths.
tompower21 1 week ago
You removed my comment and sent me a PM instead.
Don't you want to discuss this in the open?
Terncote 2 weeks ago
When I said "sin free", I meant forgiven of sin.
4GodSoLoves 1 month ago
...to BE changed. To want to be changed. This is repentance, to change your mind, to become right minded. With the desire to be clean, and a want to be changed, one can put their hope in Christ Jesus and the Holy Spirit will do a work in them. This is assurance for all who are truly sincere.
4GodSoLoves 1 month ago
I think one of the greatest problems that many non-believers have with the Gospel of Christ is that, for some reason (maybe what they take from what other Christians say) they think they have to change themselves in order to come to Christ and be saved. This is not true. I have enough faith in humanity to believe if mankind could be "good" (sin free) on their own, they would be - but they can't - it's not in their nature. No, you don't have to change, you only have to be willing...
4GodSoLoves 1 month ago
This is what Einstein basically said, as well as many theoretical physicists at many times in history. It's not naive to think this, but it is a great assumption to say that God is like the one in the Bible without a bit of faith/trust. This merely points out a need for a God through contingency and causation. Not to be putting aside the possibility that it is the Christian God (or any personal God). I learned that in a secular school from an agnostic/atheist too.
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Yet as a single quantised particle only went through one.
My point is, this universe is largely unexplained, and for you to stop asking questions and merely defend a pre-existing belief will only retard further scientific discovories.
Anyway, while this is a nice little bit of logic you've mashed together it in no way proves that the God you speak of exists. In fact, assuming your argument here was flawless, there is still the possibility for infinitely many Gods other than your own to exist.
kitosborn 2 months ago
@kitosborn "...there is still the possibility for infinitely many Gods other than your own to exist." Personally, I have no problem with your coming to that conclusion at all. But to use that possibility as your starting point, you have to being with the "truth" that God does indeed exist. From that beginning, to search out if there is only one God or maybe "infinitely many Gods", I feel confident you will find the one true God. Your greatest hurdle would have already been crossed.
4GodSoLoves 1 month ago in playlist Signature of God
@4GodSoLoves, it appears our opinions differ on this matter. I must first say that I do not believe (though nor am I strongly disbelieve) there is a God in any sense, let alone a personal God, and even further from my belief is that the Christian God exists.
If you have found the one true God, as you put it, then I do not believe it was through logic or reasoning, which is what I base my perception of this world upon.
kitosborn 1 month ago
*(though nor do I strongly disbelieve) - that's what I get for changing phrase mid sentance.
@4GodSoLoves. There are many explanations as to why you may believe you have found God, but as making a list of them may seem somewhat offensive I can only urge that you research such things yourself. As you hope I find the one true God, I hope that you do not live your life in expectation of something which will not come.
kitosborn 1 month ago
@kitosborn LOL - I do that all the time. As for my faith: I understand where you're coming from, but I have faith that anyone who is "sincerely" seeking the one true God will find Him in the Gospel - or they will not find Him at all. It is through faith that I have found the one true God, which is so much greater than logic. By this I have received more than evidence, but proof by means of the Holy Spirit. It is by the Holy Spirit, who leads us into all truth that we find God.
4GodSoLoves 1 month ago
@kitosborn It seems you believe that knowledge is supreme – it is not. You don’t believe in God, so maybe you believe that to find the greatest knowledge, one has to search for the greatest human mind/s. So, I think, this in turn, keeps you from finding God. God doesn’t operate in such a way that the human mind can call logical – He is not limited in that way. His ways are not our ways. For example: Man’s way is, he must “see, to believe”, but God’s way…
4GodSoLoves 1 month ago
@kitosborn This is not to say we can’t find logic or reason in many of God’s ways. In the story of redemption, for example: Because by one man’s act of disobedience (Adam), sin and death entered into the world; so by one man’s complete obedient life (Jesus), sin and death can be defeated. We find much logic in the ways of God as it would pertain to the scriptures, but God is not limited in such a way. Also we are told to reason together in Isaiah 1:18. So the Gospel is reasonable...
4GodSoLoves 1 month ago
@kitosborn … is, we must “believe, to see”. If you seek God through logic and reasoning, you’re not seeking Him at all. You only “think” you are.
4GodSoLoves 1 month ago
@kitosborn ...if you seek for that reason within the confines of scripture. What I mean is, if you seek to find reason or logic for the existence of God by seeking it in science, for example - you will find evidence, yes, but not God Himself. But once you find that evidence, you must seek Him in spirit and truth. He is found through faith. He can be found that way whether you have evidence or not.
4GodSoLoves 1 month ago
@4GodSoLoves, it is as you say: 'believe, to see'. However if one were to truly believe in something then, regardless of its veracity, one would come to see what it is they believe. This is what I believe to be the illusion of God - as, I presume, you have been taught there is a God since birth and you firmly believe it to be so, would you agree that your mind may create the illusion of 'seeing' God regardless of his existance?
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4GodSoLoves 1 month ago
@4GodSoLoves. For to believe is to believe, and if said belief is not based upon an observation of something tangible then it will exist regardless of actuality.
kitosborn 1 month ago
@kitosborn If that is all there was, maybe yes. But, when we accept Christ, a change takes place and the old nature dies and we are reborn with a new nature - one that is formed in us by the Holy Ghost. His indwelling spirit then manifests in us by a rebuilding of the character of that new nature by means of the 9fold fruit of the spirit, which becomes our evidence, our knowing (which you can never have unless you also come) that God exists and that we are indeed His and saved. We...
4GodSoLoves 1 month ago
@kitosborn ...can't show this evidence to you because it is self-evident, an experience or something that has to be experience to understand. We can only explain it the best we can, after all, how do you explain the taste of ice-cream to someone who has never tasted anything sweet - only have them taste if for themselves - self experience. So, it is understandable that you as a non-believer may not believe us in this, or that you would come up with some other explanation for it...
4GodSoLoves 1 month ago
@kitosborn ...i.e. delusion, or a response of emotion or imagination - but you will never understand until you taste it for yourself, so-to-speak. God knows His own and we know His voice. We know - something you can never do unless you also come to believe - believe to see - you have to do it His way.
4GodSoLoves 1 month ago
@4GodSoLoves. Well, only one of us can be right yet we both seem steadfast in our beliefs. I'm glad to have been given an insight into what you, and many like you, believe, but we both come at the same subject from such different directions that I do not think further discussion would effect either one of us in the slightest - as I'm sure you've realised. Perhaps one day science will show us God, or have such evidence to the contrary that you will become an atheist.
kitosborn 1 month ago
@kitosborn "Perhaps one day science will show us God, or have such evidence to the contrary that you will become an atheist." I wouldn't put much hope in the former and none in the latter. After all, once you know someone, how do you un-know them? But if you don't want to believe, you never will. But God bless, and thanks for the interesting conversation.
4GodSoLoves 1 month ago
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@kitosborn "...I presume, you have been taught there is a God since birth..." Yes, and no. I am a 4 or 5 time prodigal - a hard-header (I am 61). But like most Christians I know and associate with, we are learned - we are not pew-warmers who get our Christianity from a preacher and believe as we are told to. We study the Word of God and spend time in prayer.
4GodSoLoves 1 month ago
@kitosborn Excuse me for one last intrusion, but something occurred to me, and it is something else you said: "though nor am I strongly disbelieve". You probably have no idea how very close you are - if you only will seek with real sincerity. One step further in to "little faith" is far enough if you will only act on it. Little faith is faith, after all and God honors all faith and will help it grow.
4GodSoLoves 1 month ago
@4GodSoLoves When I said I do not strongly disbelieve, that was aimed at the idea of a God in any sense; while I cannot dismiss the idea of a personal God entirely it is, in my opinion, very unlikely.
My main problem with seeking God with sincerity is that to do so I must first admit that God exists, thus creating the illusion. Which is why, to maintain a scientific mind, I discipline myself to believe only what I see.
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@kitosborn That is a bad discipline. It breeds a shallow mind. There are realities that the eye cannot see and the mind can't learn or comprehend.
4GodSoLoves 1 month ago
@kitosborn You seem so afraid that you will deceive yourself, that you allow yourself to BE deceived.
4GodSoLoves 1 month ago
@kitosborn Would you really, really like to know if God exists? I mean, if there is a way, would you sincerely like to know for sure? Or do you either, don't want to know or don't care to know? Just asking.
4GodSoLoves 1 month ago
@4GodSoLoves. While I am quite sure of my current beliefs, if there was a way to know, beyond all doubt, I would most definitely want to know.
I am not afraid that I would deceive myself, as I know I have the control to not become deceived; a control which I practise now by taking the stance 'see, to believe', rather than 'believe, to see'. If I 'fear' anything, it is knowing that should I sincerely 'look' for God I would find him regardless of his existence.
kitosborn 1 month ago
@kitosborn "If I 'fear' anything, it is knowing that should I sincerely 'look' for God I would find him regardless of his existence." Exactly - you're afraid of self deception. No, I'm afraid you will never know and you will continue to be deceived by wrong concepts. You block yourself, put up a wall to assure yourself that God cannot reach your heart. Knowledge is NOT supreme.
Ask, and it shall be given you; SEEK, AND YE SHALL FIND; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: -Matt.7:7
4GodSoLoves 1 month ago
@kitosborn There is a way to know beyond all doubt - but it comes through faith, not knowledge. Faith in the fact that if God exists, He wants to reveal Himself to you. And it comes through trust. Trusting that He WILL reveal Himself, if you SINCERELY SEEK HIM in spirit and in truth. This happens by way of earnest prayer. Believe your prayer will be answered and watch for His hand to work. You'll know when He answers your prayer - you'll know - beyond all doubt - IF you are sincere.
4GodSoLoves 1 month ago
@kitosborn I have told you, and I have prayed for you. Now you have to do your part. God will do the rest. You'll see - if you will believe these things. All this - through the FAITH that IF HE EXISTS - He will reveal Himself.
4GodSoLoves 1 month ago
@4GodSoLoves Maybe buddha is the one revealing himself to me,to say to someone that he dosen't need evidence but only faith,is approving the fact that you don't have any evidence for the existence of your god,you just believe like your parents did,same thing with idol worshipers or other god worshipers,Prophets came with miracles and miracles are evidence,so to lie on god and say there is no miracle here in now days for people to see and to go to the right god,is just wrong !
YamiYami17 1 month ago
@YamiYami17 If I am wrong, then he will know. Faith is required. Where is the evidence that a non-believer will accept? Sure there is evidence, miracles. There are NDE's for example, healings, visions, visitations - good enough? If they were, there would be no unbelievers. It takes faith, and many have come by faith alone having...
4GodSoLoves 1 month ago
@4GodSoLoves Man i'm not sure what are the stories of the prophets in the bible,but when moses was send to pharaoh,he showed him a lot of miracles,and he didn't believe,a lot of nations saw a lot of miracles and just a few people believed,i give you an example of now days,you can show to an evolutionist that DNA is information,and he will understand that yet he will reject and disbelieve.
YamiYami17 1 month ago
@YamiYami17 ...never witnessed a miracle, but the one that takes place in them. And I don't worry about Buddha or any of that. Just let God reveal Himself - He is who He is. Let it be as it will be for he who seeks Him. There is no fear, or reservation in faith. Let the Greeks defend their Gods and let Paul defend his - and let the fire fall. I am willing.
4GodSoLoves 1 month ago
@4GodSoLoves Man if i don't seek evidence i will be fooled ,I mean look to the creation of god,it's all screaming of his greatness and power,it is an evidence that he exists,the same thing about the true religion of god the true way to him,it is screaming of how it's the truth and nothing is a like it,I can show you the evidence the miracle,it's on you to accept or reject like the evolutionists do with DNA.It's called the Qur'an.
YamiYami17 1 month ago
@YamiYami17 Jesus said that the generation that seeks after a sign is a wicked and adulterous generation. People can be deceived by such and according to prophecy, many will be.
4GodSoLoves 1 month ago
@4GodSoLoves Jesus healed the blind,revived the dead,walked on water .... and so on and on,he was a great prophet send to the children of israel,he showed them big sighns and they went on to kill him,but they couldn't ! So obviously jesus never said that,disblievers changed his word to fool people,to controll them,and i don't need to give you the stories of what the churchs used to do,you know them,God out of his mercey did send a last prophet,with an eternel miracle.
YamiYami17 1 month ago
@YamiYami17 Look, I don't want to get into an argument over Jesus vs Mohamed, Christian vs Muslim. How can this help the seeker? If a non-believer doesn't see these miracles as evidence, in this case one who sees only science in creation, and sees Jesus' miracles as fables (even you claim the Bible was changed), how can these things be used to help him believe? I have agreed that life itself is a miracle - but he doesn't. Let him find God through faith, the same way you and...
4GodSoLoves 1 month ago
@4GodSoLoves A disbeliever is someone who choosed to disbelief,for him there is no more test,he already made his mind,wether you warn him,or wether you showed him all the miracles,he dosen't care,god had sealed his heart,coz he knows that that servant won't change his mind,so he will let him enjiy the very small time he have in earth then he will puniche him in the after life.So please don't put an assumption over reason.
YamiYami17 1 month ago
@YamiYami17 The assumption is yours - that he is lost before his time. As long as there is breath left in him, he may come. We were all lost before we came to God. Let no man judge another mans fate before God. Pray for lost souls, it is our reasonable service to God and to His everlasting Kingdom. God will decide a mans fate - it is not for us to do - it is for us to work and to pray.
4GodSoLoves 1 month ago
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YamiYami17 1 month ago
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@4GodSoLoves 100% true,that's why i said god is the one who knows and he is the one who guide his servants Or seales thier hearts because of thier disbelieve and thier choice of the immortal life over the eternel,don't get me wrong,if someone says to another that he will go to hell for sure,he will be risking himslef to going to hell and as you said it: "it is for us to work and to pray" god bless you !
YamiYami17 1 month ago
@YamiYami17 ...have come. Even if you came to believe by miracles, you had to place your faith in them. Do you not believe that God can, and will, reveal himself to this non-believer through miracle or revelation, by some or any means by which this man will come to believe?
By the way...Matthew 16:4 -"A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas."
4GodSoLoves 1 month ago
@4GodSoLoves "Even if you came to believe by miracles, you had to place your faith in them" Totaly agree,the brain reason and the heart believes,And no,god won't reveal himself to the disbelievers the ones that mock him,and fight him and his servants,exalted is he above all things, he doesn't need them,it's we the ones that need him,if we believed it's for our own good,we won't benefit god,we will only benefit ourselves!
YamiYami17 1 month ago
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@YamiYami17 "And no,god won't reveal himself to the disbelievers the ones that mock him,and fight him and his servants..." All of this can be forgiven a man; even we were once as these. Who are we, that our sins may be forgiven, but his cannot? And who are we that we should not be mocked? If a man cannot see God in those who claim to know Him, then where is the wonder that he would mock God Himself by virtue of this? All sins can be forgiven for blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
4GodSoLoves 1 month ago
@YamiYami17 "You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart." (Jeremiah 29:13)
4GodSoLoves 1 month ago
@4GodSoLoves Also agree,the problem with the disbelievers is that,they have illness in thier hearts,arrogants to the limits,blind no from their eyes but hearts,An evolutionist can't debunk an argument against evolution but he can reject it,with his heart,the same thing with the disbeliever,he can't argue agaist a miracle against a sigh,but he can only reject it with his heart,A revleation was sent to clear the conflicts of the jews and the christians,and to guide us back to god !
YamiYami17 1 month ago
@4GodSoLoves We have sent revelation to you as We sent revelation to Noah, and the prophets after him, as We sent revelation to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and their descendants, including Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron and Solomon, and We gave David Psalms- of some Messengers before you We have told you, of others We have not- and God spoke to Moses as well.Messengers who gave good tidings as well as warnings, so that mankind, after the coming of Messengers,
YamiYami17 1 month ago
@4GodSoLoves (cont) would have no excuse before God [on the Judgement Day];
God is All- mighty, All-wise"
(Qur'an translation 4:163-165)
YamiYami17 1 month ago
@YamiYami17 I meant to say: All sins can be forgiven "except" for blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
4GodSoLoves 1 month ago
Exist and not exist at the same time; impossible? Sounds a lot like quantum physics to me... By that I mean that all possibilities for our universe - no universe included - could have existed at once, such that only after all had existed at once did one exist.
Such as is experienced when firing a single photon at barrier with two parallel slits, when the light hits a farther wall an interference pattern can be seen, which implies the photon went through both slits at once...
kitosborn 2 months ago
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This guy is completely out of his mind.
Thinkdeep420 3 months ago
Finally a theist argument that isn't given by a boring old priest. Captivating and relatively philosophically sound. Great work
Eloporian 3 months ago in playlist More videos from VenomFangX
@XGralgrathor So you came to the conclusion that evolution is not proven, but it has been observed so you would have to be stupid not to believe it. If it has been observed, wouldn't it have been proven already? The problem is that it hasn't been observed, and every day that we don't see any sort of gradual change in humans or animals, the date of the earth grows about a million years.
TheWordOfLife1 4 months ago
@TheWordOfLife1 haha I agree with you they keep pushing the age of the earth further to justify that non sense
heartnmind1 3 months ago
@iamtheplauge That makes no sense. If the universe has a cause, it has a creator...that's naturally what having a cause means. If what you're saying is true- that all atheists believe the universe has a cause- there would be no such thing as atheism. So, if megatron created the universe, he would be God. We know that is ridiculous, so we believe that the God of the Bible is the one true God, which is a lot less ridiculous if you actually look into it.
TheWordOfLife1 4 months ago
I think you'll find that most atheists agree with you that the big band had a cause. We know that. But there is absolutely NO evidence that it was a god that caused it. Until we have some sort of proof, it might as well have been Megatron.
iamtheplauge 4 months ago 2
@erynb That is one atheistic possibility but it is wrong. the sun would have burned out. It takes about 3.6 billion years to do that, but it is far less than infinity.
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Scientist claim that matter and energy was always here, even before the big bang. And us Christians believe God has always existed before the universe. The concept of energy and matter in this universe had to arise from some where outside of the universe and not from matter and energy itself. Which is Shawn makes a great conclusion. Probability is not intelligent and it is not self self aware.
gextreme8 6 months ago
@gextreme8 God is love in whoever loves, and where there is love a spirit will be against love persecuting it trying to make it bad. That is where persecution comes from. A human that kills all life will be apposed or deny or think what you think about God. Death will always be apposed to life, and that is why man without the life giving spirit in the soul will in every way imaginable will be against God. Do bad to anyone, and hurt the heart of God. Those that do will not have heaven in them.
kobidobidog 5 months ago
@gextreme8 "Scientist claim that matter and energy was always here"
-Scientists don't claim anything that they do not know. Before they come to conclusions they make sure the evidence is on a solid foundation.
You should try it sometime.
"The concept of energy and matter in this universe had to arise from some where outside of the universe"
-Are you able to support that assertion with anything other than your religious values?
playerwithfaith 5 months ago
@playerwithfaith In essence, you're asking this person to step off of their worldview in order to argue yours from your worldview's standpoint. It's a losing battle. You're presupposing a godless world. We know the universe and the world was created because God tells us it was. Now proven science does back that up but even if it didn't it's still true because God told us so.
Hoogz20 5 months ago
@Hoogz20 "We know the universe and the world was created because God tells us it was."
-How does he tell you? A voice in your head tells you this, or are you reading from the bible? If from the bible, how do you know it is true?
You don't "know", you believe.
"Now proven science does back that up"
-Proven science says that we evolved and arose from non-life, which contradicts the genesis account. Don't you feel hypocritical when you disingenuously appeal to "proven science"?
playerwithfaith 5 months ago
@playerwithfaith This isn't up for debate. If you have questions that you actually want answers to then I'd be more than happy to answer them. It's quite clear what your intentions are and that you won't be satisfied with any answer provided regardless of any "proof" that I could give you. I will ask you this though; is evolution really proven science? If so, then can you explain it to someone? How much of what they call "evolution" has been observed?
Hoogz20 5 months ago
« is evolution really proven science? »
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Science is the method by which we derive theories and hypotheses from facts. The purpose of science is to gather data, to construct hypotheses around them, and if possible, gather those hypotheses together in an explanatory framework called a theory.
Hypotheses and theories are confirmed through evidence. Tehy are not subject to "proof" however. No finding in science is ever claimed to be "true" with "absolute certainty".
XGralgrathor 5 months ago
« is evolution really proven science? »
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Evolution is an observed biological phenomenon. It is simply change over time. Evolutionary theory attempts to explain observations in molecular and developmental biology, comparative genomics, zoology and palaeontology in terms of what principles we can derive from our observations of this phenomenon.
XGralgrathor 5 months ago
« is evolution really proven science? »
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While evolutionary theory, like every other theoretical framework, will never be complete, its central hypotheses at least (common descent, descent with modification) have been confirmed and reconfirmed by so numerous independent lines of evidence that it is entirely unreasonable to doubt that they are at the very least accurate reflections of reality.
XGralgrathor 5 months ago
@playerwithfaith Does it really make sense? What is the probability that from the highly complex cells found on earth to the vastness of the universe that everything could just "evolve" with such order? You don't have to respond but ask yourself these questions.. I love science. I used to buy the evolution theory, even after I was a Bible believing Christian. If you want some resources then send me a message or let me know. I have really great stuff if you're interested.
Hoogz20 5 months ago
@Hoogz20 I wrote you a message addressing everything you said, but you have friend lock on.
playerwithfaith 5 months ago
@playerwithfaith sorry about that.. i added you as a friend so resend it if you'd like.
Hoogz20 5 months ago
@playerwithfaith If you choose to put your faith in modern science and the wisdom of men (both always changing) then you can do that but why ignorantly attack others? That being said, our concept of time itself is a limited concept with both a beginning and an end. God is eternal which means He had no beginning or end and strictly from a logical stand point, such a being is necessary. Everything can't come from nothing and order can't come from disorder. Humans are limited to the finite.
Hoogz20 5 months ago
@playerwithfaith Don't mistake religon with reality. The God of the Bible isn't a "religous" God. Religiousity can and never will please God. The only way we become acceptable to God is through faith in His son, Jesus Christ who died on the cross for our sins to and was raised from the dead to reconcile fallen men to a perfectly just and loving God. All have sinned and will die because the wages of sin is death. Unless they put their trust in Jesus who, through his innocent blood, cleanses us.
Hoogz20 5 months ago
You thought this through incredibly venomfangx. kudos to you! solid logic and flawless articulation is a winning mixture in the battle against atheism.
Amritizcool66 7 months ago
this is Amazing
Nice video man
DonDaddaDash 8 months ago
You are soo totally fabulous... Str8 up God-Diva!
Time4ABetterWorld 8 months ago
@Menak666 one time i felt really weird and felt some stuff and then i saw there was a train behind the forest. The brain hallucinates all the time.
rightwingHateSpeech 8 months ago
@Menak666 Wow, you really need to take a class if you think a rock is conscious. You really don’t know enough to evaluate anything based on first person crystalized intelligence. This is the most fundamental analysis of consciousness I know about on you tube, you should watch it, because you need to start at the beginning. watch?v=fjPoh2miGeE&feature=channel_video_title
rightwingHateSpeech 8 months ago
@Menak666 Quantitative is not equal to “non-physical”. Swimming is quantitative, are you saying the qualitative process of swimming is "non-physical?" (you confused me, had me useing the inverse of quantitative too.)
rightwingHateSpeech 8 months ago
@Menak666 Qualitative is not equal to “non-physical”. Swimming is qualitative, are you saying the qualitative process of swimming is "non-physical?"
rightwingHateSpeech 8 months ago
Nothing needed to cause the universe, because Casuation was created after the birth of the universe, before the universe does not exist because there was no time, and yes as some have mentioned look up the antropic principle, that should clear up a few of your problems. Also why does the universes definate age require it to have a creator? Vacum energy has NO creator, and the universe was born from vacum energy and QM.
QuantumOverlord 8 months ago
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yeebeascurvydawg 8 months ago
@19markle19 Then why do you ramble? I mean every post you've made so is nothing but one big long rant with absolutely no argument. Here is my advice if you don't have a single coherent argument just shut up.
vindicato15 8 months ago
@vindicato15 Alright, this is getting ridiculous, think what you wanna think, man. There's no point in trying to talk to someone like yourself. Have a nice life.
19markle19 8 months ago
@19markle19 No the only thing ridicules is people like you wasting our time with your rants. Learn how to formulate arguments and present them coherently and then perhaps we can take you seriously. Until then shut up.
vindicato15 8 months ago
If it's "philosophically and intellectully impossible" to declare yourself the cause of your existence, than what created god? This question keeps popping up and theist all give the same answer: "god always existed." this is obviously hypocritical.
ROTFLxLAWL 8 months ago
If it's "philisophiclly and intellecyuly
ROTFLxLAWL 8 months ago
christians! stop argueing!
you know why people hate christianity!?? its because christians fight too much! they ignore the message of Jesus Christ, and forget to show compassion and love!
To all those effected and mistreated by christians, i tell you, do not believe in christians but put your faith in Christ Jesus!!!
jenforyou 8 months ago
Faith is the false friend that promises and never delivers. Reason is the honest friend who sometimes disappoints but never lies.
OneWarmDragon 8 months ago
BIG APPLAUSE. I really liked this video.
MattM233 8 months ago
You are a gifted speaker. I enjoyed your video. It's true that life itself is a scientific and mathematical impossibility. Yet here we are. Every day I look in the mirror and have to explain what I see. There is only one explanation: God made me.
yamascott 10 months ago
Pnadorachild you obviously didn't listen to the video very well. Start it at 5: 25
jonsey3002 10 months ago
So your alternative to the "impossible" explanation is just another impossibility? We don't know of anything existing outside of time any more than we know of there being an infinite regress.
HorrorIllogium 10 months ago
How is infinite regress impossible? If everything up to this point continues, it will be infinite. If the universe is in fact an infinite regress we are only a part of its infinity that is never ending. If you were to say time is infinite, it does not change the fact that we are going through it.
Falloutglitch 10 months ago
@Falloutglitch An actual infinite can never be realized, so in reaching an infinite would be contradictory, it would be as if one is to reach a point that literally cannot be reached. So if our universe is either the cause of infinite oscillation, or an infinitely stable predecessor reaching the infinite future (this point in space and time) in an infinitely old universe is impossible. because in reaching this point of space and time would be contradictory to space being infinite.
thechristianknights 9 months ago
@thechristianknights Infinite doesn't stop, thats why time is elapsed over it. If the Universe is finite, what gives its primal cause an exemption? Things happen over time, and we are doing things right now that are elapsing over it. We are part of the infinite, it hasn't ended, AND it has no starting point, which is why you cannot say "we would be here if there were an infinite amount of time before us". Since there was no starting point and there is no ending point, it must be infinite.
Falloutglitch 9 months ago
@Falloutglitch What you must understand is that if the universe if infinitely old it lacks a beginning as you already know, you also know that you cannot count to infinity. Now I'm sure you know that an infinite can exist potentially, like the fact that we can indeed perceive a point that is infinite. Now if the universe is infinitely old, we know that an actual infinite cannot be realized, so if our universe was infinitely old it would be contradictory to what is considered infinite.
thechristianknights 9 months ago
@Falloutglitch Now in saying that we are part of the infinite, you are presuming the universe has a beginning because we are in a finite stage on an infinite timeline. So if we are on a finite stage of the timeline or "part of the infinite" as you so claim then we could count the amount of time, or finite stages back to beginning of space and time. Yes it's true the ideal of a "first cause" does initially sound preposterous, however if one is to realize that the universe must possess cause...
thechristianknights 9 months ago
@Falloutglitch then the idea of an initial cause is not so alien. Because our universe exist finitely it needs a cause, there must be something on the chain of causation by which exists by necessity, whether it be quarks that exist out of necessity or God as some would like to presume, either way it still leaves us with two conclusions 1, the universe cannot be infinitely old and 2, there must exist something on the chain of causation by which exists by necessity.
thechristianknights 9 months ago
@thechristianknights The evidence at hand for an infinite Universe, or a primal cause are both weak. I only make speculation that everything in the cosmos has a cause; and nothing is excused, unless evidence given otherwise. So far, there is always another cause to each effect in the Universe. Wether it the discovery of planets, solar systems, galaxies, there always seems to be something more. Yet the obvious flaw of an infinite regress is not in proportion, with that of a primal cause.
Falloutglitch 9 months ago
@Falloutglitch But what you must acknowledge is that an infinite regress cannot exist. There's simply no debating that. Now, a potential infinite can exist, for instance, you can begin counting, and in theory, you could continuously remain counting infinitely, without ever actually realizing an infinite. The same is true for an initial cause, when looked at from the perspective of a definite chronology it exists potentially, all without actually being bound by time
thechristianknights 9 months ago
@Falloutglitch Then how did we get here from an infinite amount of time in the past? Tell me, can you count down to zero from infinity? No. It is impossible to traverse an infinite amount of time. A train, representing the progression of time, whose tracks start an infinite distance away from a station, representing the present moment, will never reach the present moment.
CarlosMarti123 9 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 What is to say the tracks have to stop at you? We are on the train, and its moving right now. We don't come from time.... everything we do is elapsed over it. Meaning space is also infinite. Perhaps both have always co-existed...
Falloutglitch 9 months ago
@Falloutglitch They don't stop at me, when did I say that? I said the progression of time can only reach the present moment if there is a finite amount of time preceding the present moment.
CarlosMarti123 9 months ago
@Falloutglitch "If everything up to this point continues, it will be infinite."
It is POTENTIALLY infinite, which is different from ACTUAL infinity. Think of a counter on the wall whose value in digits increases once per second. Will there be a point in time at which the value ACTUALLY becomes infinite? No, of course not. It will increase forever, but will ALWAYS have a finite value.
CarlosMarti123 9 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 Lol. If it is a clock that has the potential to be infinite, and is given an infinite amount of time, and it has always existed, it is infinite.
Falloutglitch 9 months ago
awesome intro!
ImperiousViking 10 months ago
Great video here
desertTRUTH 10 months ago
Probabilities don't generate itself. there are other forces the cause the existence of a being.
If we we look at u for example, try to starve for days, and see if your existence is "probable"
uranium188 10 months ago
"The probability of something being the way it is is 100%"
The analogy works if you're trying to predict something, but the problem with it is that it's already happened. We're not flipping the coin, we're just looking at a list of all the tosses made thusfar. An understandable mistake.
JOTRKID 10 months ago
@JOTRKID Oh great, can't you use that explanation for anything else? "Why did Obama win the election?" Oh, because there's an infinite number of universes and we just happen to be in one of the infinite number of universes where Obama won the election. "Why are there those Chinese characters on the wall?" Oh, because there's an infinite number of universes and we just happen to be in one of the infinite number of universes where these characters are on the wall.
What a cop-out.
CarlosMarti123 9 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 Infinite universes don't come into it. Pick a shirt and put it on. Now roll some dice on the probability of wearing that shirt. Roll again. Are you still wearing that shirt? If you aren't you may be onto something.
JOTRKID 9 months ago
@JOTRKID So you're arguing that the physical constants of the universe are that way because they are that way? Oh great. What a fine explanation you have there.
I suppose the reason there are dinosaur bones is because there are dinosaur bones? LOL!
CarlosMarti123 9 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 And most notably, you're a close-minded backbirth cretin who doesn't listen to any reason that contradicts his own because you're a close-minded backbirth cretin who doesn't listen to any reason that contradicts his own. That make you feel good? And yea, I just went ad-hominem on yo ass.
JOTRKID 9 months ago
@JOTRKID "And yea, I just went ad-hominem on yo ass."
LOL! Is that all you have left to say?
Guess you can't bear to stand before reason. But then again, most of you can't.
CarlosMarti123 9 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 Nice try. Anyway, I'm off for the night. You be safe. I'll continue this tomorrow.
JOTRKID 9 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 Now to be a bit more diplomatic, you are using a brutal oversimplification of my argument, which is partially correct. Things are the way they are. The past doesn't change. But doesn't "I am that I am" sound familiar?
JOTRKID 9 months ago
mmm cookies
junglecatjr69 10 months ago
missed you !!
neglectoid 10 months ago
nice
Epoch03 10 months ago
@VenomFangX talking about mathematics in public when you clearly don't understand said mathematics is a very bad idea. Bear in mind that mathematics is the only field of human inquiry in which positive and certain proof exists.
WendingWayfarer 10 months ago
@WendingWayfarer not really...
Tolstoievsky 10 months ago
I love you
DoKtaTre 10 months ago
Welcome back venomfangX!!! Missed you!
orchidea1208 10 months ago
The Universe as YOU know it is just a SPARK from a collision of 2 potentials and the JET created by this even also seen similar to QUASARS but on a massively larger scale shows NO CREATOR but a cycle. All we know of science say we are just inside a jet of a collision event...No big bang no God No eternaity no foolish errors of dimensions.
GOD DIED as prophecy said.
Jesus died In INDIA as it is written
Peter brings for the the REAL CHURCH from them in 1966 till 2011, no one cared! REPENT
Peterwhitlock 10 months ago
God is DEAD long live god "IAM" founder of the kingdom and carrier of the cure to mankind. Cursed be Lucifer the SATAN for ADDING all past HISTORY to the found others and so corrupted them with all the wrongs of the past. Blessed are the BARREN for they shall balance mankind. Blessed are the Builders for they shall make the earth a web as if a mind to think and do what mankind should of long ago.
Blessed are they that build the churches of Jesus as PERFECT villages as he teach 2000 years ago.
Peterwhitlock 10 months ago
god "IAm is a MAN and he is eternal by his kingdom and being recorded same as jesus and same as us. Jesus teach as a man to read and write and forget GODS but YOU as a PAGAN chose to ignore us and go with lies.
ONLY THE RECORDED LIVE IN THE RECORDINGS AND ONLY THE CAN THE BE PART OF THE OBSERVER OF ANY AGE!
Please learn the3 basics of the religions you follow because we f God do not like Pagans faking our glory to be lies and lies even to not grasp the Universe basics of collision of potentials
Peterwhitlock 10 months ago
coins are NOT 100% face or tails and do have a rim that if you land on it can be nether head or tails as in a crack or a lean on a wall or plain roll to a stop standing.
So basic logic say DO NOT PLAY COINS WHEN YOU SKIP OVER THE THIRD SIDE! flip of a coin is event ENDING not starting and so has no intentions at all and is retro vision that is never 20/20. No such thing as 10 dimensions as we proven SIZE is the only other dimension. It is clearly a very poor logic effort missing 1/3 of the data.
Peterwhitlock 10 months ago
Whats the probability of the leaves falling off the trees in the autumn ? ... beats me.
NefariousVirtuoso88 10 months ago
let me tell you something. the difference your definition of THEORY, and a scientists definition of THEORY is very large.
your definition of theory is as follows.
1. contemplation or speculation. or: 2. guess or conjecture.
a scientists definition of theory is:
1. a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity.
in other words, scienctific theories have to have evidence, your theories needes none
Gnomeman55 10 months ago
@VenomFangX If such evidence does appear, i will happily explore all options and switch my views accordingly. I dont consider it a leap of faith rather i consider it the most educated guess possible.
KadlerDraven 10 months ago
@VenomFangX Is it not faith based to say god created the universe? I will take any evidence not self refuted in its own texts (bible) over no evidence at all. I have watched your video's VFX and never once commented in a negative light in what you believe or see as the truth so please do not take this as a hate message.
I simply have not seen scientific data that has not been dis-proven by other scientific data that supports a creationist theory.
KadlerDraven 10 months ago
The big bang only happened because God made it so...
MrMonkipuzzle 10 months ago
@MrMonkipuzzle
The big bang only happened because the Invisible Pink Unicorn and the Flying Spaghetti Monster decided to have one kick ass fireworks display.
CourageHonorLoyalty 10 months ago
@KadlerDraven So he just presented to you a legitimate reason that the Big Bang couldn't of occured and you're going to reply that it was inevitable without a valid reason? Please explain.
Bigjon145 10 months ago
It is ridiculous; like comparing the other planets in the solar system to earth is ridiculous, or other goldilocks planets to any other satellite any place in just our sloar system. Earth is an ANOMALY, but not the only anomaly in the galaxy and probably but one of thousands in the universe. It is solely an anomaly because of its position within the solar system. Your mysterious "God" did nothing other than "create" what was already inevitable. Tell it to Pluto and see what they think.
PawnBACM 10 months ago
Question, Mr. X. Why are you so desperate to try and dispute facts and theory based on a number of facts?
danjozef 10 months ago
In an infinite Universe everything is not only possible, it is probable... Venom's limited capacity for understanding complexities such as these ensures that he'll likely always be mired in ignorance and superstition... Pity...
timeoftroubles 10 months ago
The universe is not based on one side of the coin; it is based on the coin as a whole.
unibattles 10 months ago
@KadlerDraven Why?
CarlosMarti123 11 months ago
actually both neitzche and schopenhaur view the universe as based on will and were atheists. also, you need to look up the word "determined".
Suicideforcelluloid 11 months ago
@starsheild7
Because the miracles contradict science. Besides, its moot point to try and debunk them, as I've said about fifty times now. You can't disprove the flying spaghetti monster or ghosts.
You are the one who said it was charred black, not me. Don't use the argument from ignorance, because it isn't an argument. Just because we may not know something(and I suspect that it is already scientifically explained) doesn't mean God did it. God of the gaps is the stupidest argument.
SSBB12347 11 months ago
@SSBB12347 It's all too much evidence for it all to be a coinsidence for the trinity to be fake (for Jesus's testimony to be fake). You just seem to be ignoring your own conscience, everything in existence is a moral matter, a "heart" matter, not a superficial matter, you are ignoring your conscience.
starsheild7 11 months ago
@starsheild7
There is no evidence, none at all, sorry. Just because life exists and I have a brain which controls my bodily functions, or a 'conscience' if you will, doesn't necessitate the existence of the supernatural. Matter is NOT moral, because if it were, innocent children would not die at childbirth.
SSBB12347 11 months ago
@starsheild7
It also depends what exactly you define as morality. If we followed biblical morals, we would have slavery, we would be involved in human sacrifice, we would be genocidal, infanticidal, we would have no respect for women, we would pillage towns who didn't agree with us, and so on. These were the morals of antiquity.
Morals have evolved over time due to concepts such as the golden/silver rules and adapting to what works the best as a society, not by religion.
SSBB12347 11 months ago
@SSBB12347 You said, "Just because we may not know something (and I suspect that it is already scientificall explained) doesn't mean God did it."
-that sentense you just said IS argument from ignorance and it is proof that you rely on the product of "chance" as a back door to ignore God in your conscience. you are being influence by the devil.
starsheild7 11 months ago
@starsheild7
Argument from ignorance is making a positive claim based on ignorance. I wasn't making a positive claim, I was using my general knowledge of what Christians usually try to do to prove their pre-suppositions. Also, there is a scientific explanation for everything, including morals. Read "The Moral Landscape" to see what I am talking about.
The Devil is an equally absurd figment of your imagination, and I've noticed that Christians tend to use the devil as a last resort.
SSBB12347 11 months ago
@SSBB12347 The Moral Landscape is BS. I thought it was good when I first read it, but I've learned not to trust books like those at face-value.
reasonablefaith*org/site/PageServer?pagename=q_and_a
rfmedia*org/RF_audio_video/RF_podcast/Sam_Harris_and_The_Moral_Landscape*mp3
CarlosMarti123 11 months ago
@CarlosMarti123
I doubt you even read it. You probably just looked up a scathing review of it on a creationist website. Christianity is what you should really not trust at face value.
SSBB12347 11 months ago
@SSBB12347 "I doubt you even read it."
Wow. Ok, I'll say the same thing to you: I doubt you even read the book.
"You probably just looked up a scathing review of it on a creationist website."
You really are an idiot, aren't you? WHY would it have to be a creationist website? Are you really that stupid? Grow up, moron.
"Christianity is what you should really not trust at face value."
Atheism is what you should really not trust at face value.
CarlosMarti123 10 months ago
what if you dropped the coin? Then it would be probability that it would fall out off your hand and land on heads or tails so if a RANDOM act happened then it could have been chance. So your wrong, Sir
MrChance200 11 months ago
@Bananapielord Explain what natural causes COULD cause Mt Sinai to be chard black. Explain the physics behind Mt Sinai being the only mountain to be chard black that way.
starsheild7 11 months ago
ROFL Youre still around Venom, I thought the muzzzies would have taken you out by now...nixe vid bro!
Upjohn252 11 months ago
@SSBB12347 The Roman gods have been debunked because the Romans themselves were convinced that the gods would ensure that their empire would last for 1000 years st least, the Roman empire crumbled before it lasted 800 years. The Koran claims that the muslims had the land before the Jews yet it is documented by Jewish and non jewish text that the Jews lived in Israel 1300 years before Mohammed was even born & hundreds of years before arabs even existed as a people
starsheild7 11 months ago
@starsheild7
Jesus said to his followers that the apocalypse would come IN THEIR LIFETIMES(this didn't happen, by the way). Does that disprove God? The Bible also said that Israel would be remade about 400 years after it was destroyed(off by a factor of more than a thousand years).
BTW your Bible advocates human sacrifice, genocide, infanticide, slavery, and it doesn't even respect women.
Your Bible is just as logically inconsistent as the other religious texts, if not more.
SSBB12347 11 months ago
@starsheild7
Lets turn this argument in a different direction. The majority of your posts have been posting specific biblical scripture, all of which is open to interpretation, very ambiguous, and very opinionated. I am not an expert in scripture, but that doesn't mean I have to believe it. You don't have to be a medical expert to resist drugs.
Before we continue, though, you must acknowledge the possibility that you COULD be wrong and Christianity COULD be made up.
SSBB12347 11 months ago
@SSBB12347 How is the bible ambiguous? I read the bible, the text actually names the nations when it prophecied about them without the prophets orchestrating the fulfillment of each prophecy, I'm not lying to you, you can look it up yourself to see if I'm lying or not, Daniel's prophecy predates the conflict between Greece and persia, do the research to see if I'm lying or not. I'm telling you the truth - the bible actually named names of countries & the era that the prophecies would be fulfill.
starsheild7 11 months ago