@aspiringdrummer17 i don't worry. i'm an ace. it's not about combat flying anyway. if i had to chose between the lightning and Mig-21 as an airplane to own for fun, and, based on looks and ease of maint. , i'd pick the Mig-21.
A great dog fighter but the Lightning had a number of problems that prevented export orders. At a time most air forces could only afford one type they chose multi-role aircraft like the Mirage and Phantom. Very short range, suitable for the UK but useless for a Canada or Australia. Undercarriage types so thin they had to be replaced after only 8 take off and landings. Unable to operate from a Royal Navy carrier as a long takeoff/landing run was required. Duncan Sands had a lot to answer for.
@binaway The Lightning was exported to Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. For carrier operations, a swept-wing Sea Lightning has been seriously considered by BAC. However the RN chose the F-4 instead.
@RaptureandZune But how many exported? The French encouraged Fairey to test the Delta 2 in France, after the British Government refused native facilities. The French air-force studied these tests closely and built the Mirage III. In his book Marcel Dassault said Britain should have developed this aircraft into a service and would have exported them to the world. The Mirage III is not a copy but the French learned a lot.
@binaway Around 30. Such high-end interceptors have never been successful in exporting. The Lightning is not as multi-role as the Mirage 3. SU-15 would be a better comparison.
annyira jó a hajtómű hogy még függőlegesen is lehetne vele repülni, van fent valahol egy dokumentum az izraeli és egyiptomi háborúrol, amikor az izraeli beszámolt arról hogy látta ahogy a pilóta felhúzta a miget a talajtól pár méterre és a gép szó szoros értelemben függőlegesen repült "high alpha manőver,, csak a gép állítások szerint tényleg függőlegesen repült.
@Cyberwwwizard Russia did copy a lot but its said that you give designers the same specifications and they come up with something similar ie Concorde and Concordski...I believe the Bear and Bison were derivatives of the B29 and suffered from the same overheating problems....true???....I just heard...don't quote me!
At the beginning Raymond Baxter says'Opportunities were missed....this was a SENSATIONAL AEROPLANE'....somebody somewhere should have been hung up by the balls' The lightning caught up to concorde from astern flat out and 'bounced 'a U2 at 80.000 ft when it was tested ( Its ceiling was 100.000 ft) and it could break the sound barrier in an 80' climb.....shhhhh..don't tell anyone....we're British you see!
Man, those afterburner rings are awesome, I love the 21s - as most fellow Hungarian aviation aficionados do.
This formation is simply legendary... it's a pity it didn't last longer. And Cápeti ("Sharky" - named after one of the characters from the animated series "Sharky and George) is simply the coolest Fishbed ever. :-)
1:10-nél és 1:59-nél látható a "CsR" üzemmód, ami a MiG-21bisz-ek sajátossága. Az R-25-ös hajtóművek kapcsolásonként max 1-1 percig használható rendkívüli üzemmódja, ami a maximális utánégetésen túli extra tolóerőnövelés volt, hála az NR-44-es pótbetápszivattyúnak.
Az nem a CsR, hanem csak a teljes utánégető üzemmód, amit látni lehet a MiG-21-esről szóló videókon. Egyébként a CsR-t 3 percig lehetett használni 4000m alatt, de soha nem kapcsoltuk be, mert nagyban csökkentette a hajtóművek üzemidejét.
Tisztelettel: Kovács Péter (volt MiG-21-es, és MiG-29-es pilóta)
I'll take a Mig-21 over an English Electric Lightning anyday
CaptJackSpeed 2 weeks ago
@CaptJackSpeed So you're a fan of being shot down then ;)
aspiringdrummer17 2 days ago
@aspiringdrummer17 i don't worry. i'm an ace. it's not about combat flying anyway. if i had to chose between the lightning and Mig-21 as an airplane to own for fun, and, based on looks and ease of maint. , i'd pick the Mig-21.
CaptJackSpeed 1 day ago
@CaptJackSpeed
I wouldnt
ToonandBBfan 1 day ago
It brought down a lot of US planes, but it wasn't luck. Both this and the US planes of that era were beautiful and deadly.
FailDoctor 5 months ago
They're both classic & great jets.
Jaliya48 5 months ago
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El Lightning no tiene la trayectoria del Mig 21. El 21 es un verdadero avión con historia y es el más fabricado en su tipo...
Dariozaz 6 months ago
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Dariozaz 6 months ago
A great dog fighter but the Lightning had a number of problems that prevented export orders. At a time most air forces could only afford one type they chose multi-role aircraft like the Mirage and Phantom. Very short range, suitable for the UK but useless for a Canada or Australia. Undercarriage types so thin they had to be replaced after only 8 take off and landings. Unable to operate from a Royal Navy carrier as a long takeoff/landing run was required. Duncan Sands had a lot to answer for.
binaway 9 months ago
@binaway The Lightning was exported to Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. For carrier operations, a swept-wing Sea Lightning has been seriously considered by BAC. However the RN chose the F-4 instead.
RaptureandZune 1 month ago
@RaptureandZune But how many exported? The French encouraged Fairey to test the Delta 2 in France, after the British Government refused native facilities. The French air-force studied these tests closely and built the Mirage III. In his book Marcel Dassault said Britain should have developed this aircraft into a service and would have exported them to the world. The Mirage III is not a copy but the French learned a lot.
binaway 1 month ago
@binaway Around 30. Such high-end interceptors have never been successful in exporting. The Lightning is not as multi-role as the Mirage 3. SU-15 would be a better comparison.
RaptureandZune 1 month ago
mig vs lightning mig will die
geoffers158 11 months ago
annyira jó a hajtómű hogy még függőlegesen is lehetne vele repülni, van fent valahol egy dokumentum az izraeli és egyiptomi háborúrol, amikor az izraeli beszámolt arról hogy látta ahogy a pilóta felhúzta a miget a talajtól pár méterre és a gép szó szoros értelemben függőlegesen repült "high alpha manőver,, csak a gép állítások szerint tényleg függőlegesen repült.
padawan007 11 months ago
Mig-21= Eagle food!
Lovemyshelby08 11 months ago
gyönyörűek!
Jettrailsinthesky 1 year ago
Same price now as a 911.
rayggallagher1974 1 year ago
I was there at Fairford that weekend, I remember the Migs flying over my town on their way into Fairford the day before.
mustanglead 1 year ago
Real fighter jets bwoooy!
PICLex 1 year ago
Ooh look at that, and who says Russia never copies anyone? Bloody ruskies and chinese copy everyone and don't pay a licence fee.
Cyberwwwizard 2 years ago
@Cyberwwwizard Russia did copy a lot but its said that you give designers the same specifications and they come up with something similar ie Concorde and Concordski...I believe the Bear and Bison were derivatives of the B29 and suffered from the same overheating problems....true???....I just heard...don't quote me!
tony00165 1 year ago
very nice, but the acrobatic display was a piece of crap...check those of the Blue Angels back in the 80s
wilfredotour2 2 years ago
@wilfredotour2
I like it, nice and raw. These jets were made to kill people, i always found it a little distatefull that they'd start drawing hearts in the sky.
PICLex 1 year ago
At the beginning Raymond Baxter says'Opportunities were missed....this was a SENSATIONAL AEROPLANE'....somebody somewhere should have been hung up by the balls' The lightning caught up to concorde from astern flat out and 'bounced 'a U2 at 80.000 ft when it was tested ( Its ceiling was 100.000 ft) and it could break the sound barrier in an 80' climb.....shhhhh..don't tell anyone....we're British you see!
tony00165 2 years ago 3
@tony00165
Well said.
PICLex 1 year ago
Nice...the Lightning AND the MiG together! I like it! I always noticed that the two were very similar to each other.
justforever96 2 years ago
Taszári pilóták !!
zsenyacsoki 2 years ago
A very good short movie about the Hungarian MiG-21's
lacci1984 2 years ago 2
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awful plane ^^
jNS278 2 years ago
Man, those afterburner rings are awesome, I love the 21s - as most fellow Hungarian aviation aficionados do.
This formation is simply legendary... it's a pity it didn't last longer. And Cápeti ("Sharky" - named after one of the characters from the animated series "Sharky and George) is simply the coolest Fishbed ever. :-)
Zippy306 2 years ago
1:10-nél és 1:59-nél látható a "CsR" üzemmód, ami a MiG-21bisz-ek sajátossága. Az R-25-ös hajtóművek kapcsolásonként max 1-1 percig használható rendkívüli üzemmódja, ami a maximális utánégetésen túli extra tolóerőnövelés volt, hála az NR-44-es pótbetápszivattyúnak.
kolbola 3 years ago 4
Szia!
Az nem a CsR, hanem csak a teljes utánégető üzemmód, amit látni lehet a MiG-21-esről szóló videókon. Egyébként a CsR-t 3 percig lehetett használni 4000m alatt, de soha nem kapcsoltuk be, mert nagyban csökkentette a hajtóművek üzemidejét.
Tisztelettel: Kovács Péter (volt MiG-21-es, és MiG-29-es pilóta)
Kovacspeter67 2 years ago
Amit látni lehet a MiG-21-esről szóló videókon az valóban a teljes forszázs. Ezen a videón viszont erősen úgy fest, hogy a CsR látható.
kolbola 2 years ago
FOREVER HUNGARIAN SKY HUSSARS!!!
csillukababa 3 years ago 7
Great clip - the Lightning and Raymond Baxter!
vulcanfanman 3 years ago 4