@valvetrom I think that's actually what the BBC doc proposed for the original Snowball Earth theory. No matter, the story of Noah's Flood is a nonsense myth for people who wish to believe in an insane and evil kitten-drowning jerk of a deity....
You forgot to mention in your analysis that there were two sources of water, not just one. This voids the conclusion.
Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens were opened.
@54woody Sorry, but I quoted that line exactly in the vid -- you'll have to find some other excuse besides your failure of reading comprhension for your Bible's lie, since the constancy of the rain over 40 days is specified, as is the totality of coverage of the Earth -- and that alone would demand cloud cover enough to force the snowball effect!!
@54woody Please actually watch the vid and do not speak carelessly on what it does or does not "mention" -- it specifically intones at 0:42 of the vid that the waters of the deep broke open -- there's even a picture of water coming up from the ground!!
@PanDeism At 2:32 the video mentions the rate of rise of the water. At 3:08 -3:59 only clouds are mentioned, nothing else as a source of water. At 4:00-6:00 the meteorological effect of ice or clouds is discussed. At 6:58 The effect of all that cold on an ark is discussed. The conclusion is that the Ark would and could not have survived the flood ("crushed to splinters" at 6:59). In the analysis only one source of water is mentioned. This voids the conclusion.
@54woody The only thing it voids is the Bible, which after all claims that the rain fell everywhere for forty days and forty nights -- now, we know that the Bible-writers believed they were speaking of a flat Earth with corners, but they surely gave no indication of where all that water would hide inside a spherical Earth which we now know to be filled with Magma to the core, but may I assure you that that is simply not so.
@PanDeism Eliminating one source of water in the "Snowball" analysis does not void the Bible, it voids the Snowball conclusion. The writers believed in a round earth, Job 26:7 explains that the earth is suspended in space, the obvious comparison being with the spherical sun and moon. Gen 1:7 "And God made the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse (likely source of the waters of the great deep) from the waters that were above the expanse. And it was so"
Global Cloud cover would have the opposite effect--longer wave lengths pnetrate the clouds, heating the surface of the Earth, and being trapped beneath the clods.
@odinata Another reason it couldn't have happened, naturally, but not one explored in this vid -- the whole and sole point of this one is to describe what would have to come to pass meteorologically were there to be a flood of the proportions explicitly Biblically set forth....
@MrBibleFreak That theory has been put away and refuted already- even criticised by other scientists AND young earth creationists. Further more, his evidence is without merit.
I can already tell you the argument from the christian right. they would claim that the mountains did not exist like they do today and the tallest mountain was only 3-5 thousand feet high or some other ridiculous explanation.
there premise is we do not know what the world looked like before the flood.
Playing Christian's Advocate: "no, no, you don't understand. It wasn't a natural rain. It was a magical rain. It was a miracle. Lalalalalalalalalala. I'm not listening. Lalalalalalala..."
@nanoduckling Now I just have to convince them that Mount Everest was actually already there several thousand years ago, and didn't instead just "spring up right after the flood"....
@PanDeism The video was good becuse it smashed the belief in noahs flood to pieces. Honestly i don`t know how people believe in this nonsense in this day and age but then again the muslims believe muhammed went to the throne of allah on a flying horsey which is about 1000 times more stupid than noahs flood.
@cartoonhead5 Not sure if I agree to that being 1000 times more stupid -- but Muhammed did speak of seeing angels having "70,000 heads, each head having 70,000 mouths" -- which is both absurd and grotesque....
@PanDeism Well maybe not 1000 times more stupid but still more stupid, a worldwide flood makes more logical sense than a man going to paradise meeting dead prophets aruging with a all knowing god about the amount of daily prayers. Seen hell fire and houris and all this from a man who thought he was possed by an evil jinn.
This video is NOT Biblically accurate. God says in the Bible MANY times the world is FLAT. Your video shows a sphere. God says the sky is a tent with windows that God opens to make it rain. You don't show this. God could have poured rain from a big vessel behind the tent. You assume the flood is water but alcohol & many drinks & laundry detergents & bodily fluids (mostly associated with the eye) are also clear. Maybe the rain was too hot for ice. This video ignores the unfallible Word of God.
@PanDeism Yes, you did not. And I should add that God says in the Bible that the earth has "four corners", and therefore is SQUARE. To be fair and "scientific" as you would probably say, I suppose it could be trapezoid or a parallelogram or rhomboid - but IT IS NOT A SPHERE! Sphere's do not have corners. Show me a sphere with a corner - you can't! And you can't prove that the Bible says it is a sphere so you are already distorting the Truth of the Bible with your opening image.
@Salment Oh we've already heard that in a buncha forums and so forth -- or, God made the rain but without the cloud (or the rain came from a mythic "ice shield" that orbited the Earth prior to the flood....
@thousandlegger The drowing people is "Le déluge" by Léon Comerre -- you can find it on the Wikipedia commons, File:Le déluge - musée de beaux arts de Nantes 20091017.jpg.... strangely poetic how much T&A there is in these Biblical paintings, like the flood washed away everyone's clothes....
@PanDeism Thanks much. It's such a brutal piece. People usually don't think about the genocide factor of the flood story...just the cute giraffes on the big boat and the rainbow.
This is why I hate the Discovery Channel. I keep turning it on just in time to catch 'another fascinating installment of, the many agonizeing faces of global death' where they list the many ways the universe could brutally fuck us. The whole show is just people inciting panic, with about 3/100ths of a second devoted to 'remember, there's only a .1^-5492% chance of this,' usually right near the end. DC is full of sadists... *Sigh*
@PanDeism Suppose I should say the chances of anything are absolutely zero -- not very pandeistic of me, that.... slim to the point of absurdity, then....
Aren't the Noah-nuts just going to say it was magic water? Next, they'll say that it was really Noah's sub. I mean, what's a few more delusions when your belief system's made out of them?
@rediband Naturally, a submarine wouldn't help, since it would be frozen -- and even the most modern sub would be crushed under the weight of the ice.... but, yeah, I've already been hit with "magic water" type messages, and other suppositions of God coddling the Ark (which makes one wonder why the whole Ark/Flood thing would be necessary at all)....
Yes, we know -- if Noah's Ark had ever reached the Mount Everest height required in the Bible, they'd have frozen and asphyxiated up there from the lack of atmospheric oxygen.... but since they'd have frozen to death from ground conditions within about the first twelve days (and been stuck in place when the ice encased them, it really doesn't matter what would theoretically happen at the high altitude they never would have reached....
@BuBBaGump014 Not entirely sure how that follows from the flood mythology debunking -- I don't think this Pope even believes there was an actual flood (except for, perhaps, the flood of letters he ignored about child-molesting priests....)
I can see the point about the mountain, my wife and I chuckled but I would probably not have included it. My wife is emailing to her family and I will post it on the Unified Deism forums....
@PanDeism I would not worry about it....the video is really great and it looks at the flood in a really innovative way! If you get a chance come join us in the forums to discuss it. I also posted a link to your channel...
@iDeismFounder Hey, thanks -- though I did get one silent complaint (that the Monty Python bit about the "biggest tits in the world" was inappropriate).... I thought it a nice moment of levity, and the girls who worked on this had no complaint, but so....
But if you think other will like it, please pass it on, friend!!
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vinodjbezalel 4 months ago
I always thought ice ages were triggered by volcanic and interstellar dust.
valvetrom 11 months ago
@valvetrom I think that's actually what the BBC doc proposed for the original Snowball Earth theory. No matter, the story of Noah's Flood is a nonsense myth for people who wish to believe in an insane and evil kitten-drowning jerk of a deity....
PanDeism 11 months ago
You forgot to mention in your analysis that there were two sources of water, not just one. This voids the conclusion.
Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens were opened.
54woody 1 year ago
@54woody Sorry, but I quoted that line exactly in the vid -- you'll have to find some other excuse besides your failure of reading comprhension for your Bible's lie, since the constancy of the rain over 40 days is specified, as is the totality of coverage of the Earth -- and that alone would demand cloud cover enough to force the snowball effect!!
PanDeism 1 year ago
@PanDeism I quoted the English Standard Version Bible. The two sources of water are also listed in the original Hebrew text.
54woody 1 year ago
@54woody Please actually watch the vid and do not speak carelessly on what it does or does not "mention" -- it specifically intones at 0:42 of the vid that the waters of the deep broke open -- there's even a picture of water coming up from the ground!!
PanDeism 1 year ago
@PanDeism At 2:32 the video mentions the rate of rise of the water. At 3:08 -3:59 only clouds are mentioned, nothing else as a source of water. At 4:00-6:00 the meteorological effect of ice or clouds is discussed. At 6:58 The effect of all that cold on an ark is discussed. The conclusion is that the Ark would and could not have survived the flood ("crushed to splinters" at 6:59). In the analysis only one source of water is mentioned. This voids the conclusion.
54woody 1 year ago
@54woody The only thing it voids is the Bible, which after all claims that the rain fell everywhere for forty days and forty nights -- now, we know that the Bible-writers believed they were speaking of a flat Earth with corners, but they surely gave no indication of where all that water would hide inside a spherical Earth which we now know to be filled with Magma to the core, but may I assure you that that is simply not so.
PanDeism 1 year ago
@PanDeism Eliminating one source of water in the "Snowball" analysis does not void the Bible, it voids the Snowball conclusion. The writers believed in a round earth, Job 26:7 explains that the earth is suspended in space, the obvious comparison being with the spherical sun and moon. Gen 1:7 "And God made the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse (likely source of the waters of the great deep) from the waters that were above the expanse. And it was so"
54woody 1 year ago
Global Cloud cover would have the opposite effect--longer wave lengths pnetrate the clouds, heating the surface of the Earth, and being trapped beneath the clods.
Oops.
Noah's Flood is a fairytale, nonetheless.
odinata 1 year ago
@odinata We're talking about very dense clouds, hundreds of miles thick, which would be highly reflective, as well...
PanDeism 1 year ago
@PanDeism
Which is yet another fantasy, as the atmosphere can only support clouds toaltitudes of less than 100 miles.
odinata 1 year ago
@odinata Another reason it couldn't have happened, naturally, but not one explored in this vid -- the whole and sole point of this one is to describe what would have to come to pass meteorologically were there to be a flood of the proportions explicitly Biblically set forth....
PanDeism 1 year ago
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odinata 1 year ago
@MrBibleFreak That theory has been put away and refuted already- even criticised by other scientists AND young earth creationists. Further more, his evidence is without merit.
RiokaSon 1 year ago
I can already tell you the argument from the christian right. they would claim that the mountains did not exist like they do today and the tallest mountain was only 3-5 thousand feet high or some other ridiculous explanation.
there premise is we do not know what the world looked like before the flood.
science bless you
inquiry10 1 year ago
Playing Christian's Advocate: "no, no, you don't understand. It wasn't a natural rain. It was a magical rain. It was a miracle. Lalalalalalalalalala. I'm not listening. Lalalalalalala..."
DeistPaladin 1 year ago
Ah Noahs ark, not even wrong.
nanoduckling 1 year ago
@nanoduckling Now I just have to convince them that Mount Everest was actually already there several thousand years ago, and didn't instead just "spring up right after the flood"....
PanDeism 1 year ago
Great video! Clear and to the point.
XMoonSeekerX 1 year ago
@XMoonSeekerX Hey thanks -- we worked hard on it!!
PanDeism 1 year ago
Another brilliant video from pandeism.
cartoonhead5 1 year ago
@cartoonhead5 Dude, thanks!!
PanDeism 1 year ago
@cartoonhead5 Hey did I say thanks for that? We're blushing here....
PanDeism 1 year ago
@PanDeism The video was good becuse it smashed the belief in noahs flood to pieces. Honestly i don`t know how people believe in this nonsense in this day and age but then again the muslims believe muhammed went to the throne of allah on a flying horsey which is about 1000 times more stupid than noahs flood.
cartoonhead5 1 year ago
@cartoonhead5 Not sure if I agree to that being 1000 times more stupid -- but Muhammed did speak of seeing angels having "70,000 heads, each head having 70,000 mouths" -- which is both absurd and grotesque....
PanDeism 1 year ago
@PanDeism Well maybe not 1000 times more stupid but still more stupid, a worldwide flood makes more logical sense than a man going to paradise meeting dead prophets aruging with a all knowing god about the amount of daily prayers. Seen hell fire and houris and all this from a man who thought he was possed by an evil jinn.
cartoonhead5 1 year ago
This video is NOT Biblically accurate. God says in the Bible MANY times the world is FLAT. Your video shows a sphere. God says the sky is a tent with windows that God opens to make it rain. You don't show this. God could have poured rain from a big vessel behind the tent. You assume the flood is water but alcohol & many drinks & laundry detergents & bodily fluids (mostly associated with the eye) are also clear. Maybe the rain was too hot for ice. This video ignores the unfallible Word of God.
ChiefIronCloud 1 year ago
@ChiefIronCloud Well, there you go.... and I didn't show the Sun orbiting the Earth either....
PanDeism 1 year ago
@PanDeism Yes, you did not. And I should add that God says in the Bible that the earth has "four corners", and therefore is SQUARE. To be fair and "scientific" as you would probably say, I suppose it could be trapezoid or a parallelogram or rhomboid - but IT IS NOT A SPHERE! Sphere's do not have corners. Show me a sphere with a corner - you can't! And you can't prove that the Bible says it is a sphere so you are already distorting the Truth of the Bible with your opening image.
ChiefIronCloud 1 year ago
@ChiefIronCloud Yes of course the unfallible word of god says the earth is a square..yay..
RiokaSon 1 year ago
@RiokaSon Where does it say this exactly?
54woody 1 year ago
but it was magic god rain, and god can scare the mean science away
arachnophile01 1 year ago
Nice video... But it wont convince a christian... they would just say: "God made it so the ice could not form"
Salment 1 year ago
@Salment Oh we've already heard that in a buncha forums and so forth -- or, God made the rain but without the cloud (or the rain came from a mythic "ice shield" that orbited the Earth prior to the flood....
PanDeism 1 year ago
Now, THIS is a video I can unreservedly agree with. Good job. The research must have demanded a lot of time.
Skierkowa 1 year ago
@Skierkowa Hey, yeah -- thanks for commenting.... there will be more like this, as well....
PanDeism 1 year ago
Cool man.. what did you use for the text to speech?
LordNapalm 1 year ago
@LordNapalm Xtranormal, downloaded, crunched a bit in Audacity.... there's a few words of "real" speech mixed in the generated parts....
PanDeism 1 year ago
does anyone know where that painting at :33 is from or where i can find a copy?
thousandlegger 1 year ago
@thousandlegger The one of the dead/dying flood victims, or the one of Noah?
PanDeism 1 year ago
@thousandlegger The drowing people is "Le déluge" by Léon Comerre -- you can find it on the Wikipedia commons, File:Le déluge - musée de beaux arts de Nantes 20091017.jpg.... strangely poetic how much T&A there is in these Biblical paintings, like the flood washed away everyone's clothes....
PanDeism 1 year ago
@PanDeism Thanks much. It's such a brutal piece. People usually don't think about the genocide factor of the flood story...just the cute giraffes on the big boat and the rainbow.
thousandlegger 1 year ago
Gee, thanks for the nightmares, asshole. XD
This is why I hate the Discovery Channel. I keep turning it on just in time to catch 'another fascinating installment of, the many agonizeing faces of global death' where they list the many ways the universe could brutally fuck us. The whole show is just people inciting panic, with about 3/100ths of a second devoted to 'remember, there's only a .1^-5492% chance of this,' usually right near the end. DC is full of sadists... *Sigh*
MyOldName 1 year ago
@MyOldName Friend, you can relax, the chances of a worldwide flood (and requisite worldwide cloud cover) are absolutely zero....
PanDeism 1 year ago
@PanDeism Suppose I should say the chances of anything are absolutely zero -- not very pandeistic of me, that.... slim to the point of absurdity, then....
PanDeism 1 year ago
@PanDeism
Yeah, but what if some jerkass whitewashes everything when I'm not lookin'?
MyOldName 1 year ago
Aren't the Noah-nuts just going to say it was magic water? Next, they'll say that it was really Noah's sub. I mean, what's a few more delusions when your belief system's made out of them?
rediband 1 year ago
@rediband Naturally, a submarine wouldn't help, since it would be frozen -- and even the most modern sub would be crushed under the weight of the ice.... but, yeah, I've already been hit with "magic water" type messages, and other suppositions of God coddling the Ark (which makes one wonder why the whole Ark/Flood thing would be necessary at all)....
PanDeism 1 year ago
And yes, we know that cloud cover also holds in some heat radiated by the Earth -- but much less than that which comes from the sun....
PanDeism 1 year ago
Yes, we know -- if Noah's Ark had ever reached the Mount Everest height required in the Bible, they'd have frozen and asphyxiated up there from the lack of atmospheric oxygen.... but since they'd have frozen to death from ground conditions within about the first twelve days (and been stuck in place when the ice encased them, it really doesn't matter what would theoretically happen at the high altitude they never would have reached....
PanDeism 1 year ago
Google it: Dawkins and Hitchens are attempting to arrest the pope for crimes against humanity
BuBBaGump014 1 year ago
@BuBBaGump014 Not entirely sure how that follows from the flood mythology debunking -- I don't think this Pope even believes there was an actual flood (except for, perhaps, the flood of letters he ignored about child-molesting priests....)
PanDeism 1 year ago
I can see the point about the mountain, my wife and I chuckled but I would probably not have included it. My wife is emailing to her family and I will post it on the Unified Deism forums....
iDeismFounder 1 year ago
@iDeismFounder Well to be honest, I though it was the clip with the best view of the mountain, so....
PanDeism 1 year ago
@PanDeism I would not worry about it....the video is really great and it looks at the flood in a really innovative way! If you get a chance come join us in the forums to discuss it. I also posted a link to your channel...
iDeismFounder 1 year ago
@iDeismFounder I'll swing by later this afternoon!!
PanDeism 1 year ago
Excellent work! Very well made :-)
iDeismFounder 1 year ago
@iDeismFounder Hey, thanks -- though I did get one silent complaint (that the Monty Python bit about the "biggest tits in the world" was inappropriate).... I thought it a nice moment of levity, and the girls who worked on this had no complaint, but so....
But if you think other will like it, please pass it on, friend!!
PanDeism 1 year ago