The bjj and certainly more efficient than Japanese jj, jj and improvement of the Japanese, uses less power and fatal blows .... and efficient in the case of video, the one to evaluate the art of fighting, so the fighters, one was better q other, not the art that prevailed. Brazilian fighters have shown isso.Helio, Rickson, Royce, Ryan, Renzo (Gracie all), anderson silva ... and several others only Gracie family has more than twenty wrestlers .... away the thousands in the country.
@billysue2 KATA comes first and then you can do sparring. If all you are doing is sparring. Then you're just merely play fighting. Because no martial arts is being understood.
@EvilDarkJackel judoka arent groundfighers,mostly its standing grappling.In the situation you describe ,nothing would likely work but striking is still the best option.I actually mostly train grappling for the last 5 yrs ,due to injury I cant kickbox anymore and hae spent lots of time with high leel wrestlers,judoka and bjj lads who also do mma and none of them think of it as self defense outside 1 on 1 situation.Its jap jitsu clowns that think that.
High level wrestlers, Judoka, and BJJ train for sports.
These are martial sports, not martial arts. That is why they think differently from a person trained in traditional japanese jujutsu thinks. Since REAL Japanese Jujutsu comes from Japanese Feudal Military warriors. The philosophy behind them are much different than ones that were developed for sport.
@BlackShinobiShozoku amongst the worst martial artists ive ever seen have been jap jitsu dan grades who have never sparred in their lives.Under pressure,they cannot do 1 single thing they train for and those that could were also sport athletes.Exchanging techs without resistance isnt an effcetive method of practise for self defense or anything else either.
@EvilDarkJackel there was total compliance,not an ounce of resistance ,its obvious to anybody who trains in a real grappling art,they were even attacking in slow motion.Dont bother responding,youre just a kid
@EvilDarkJackel definitely,the very best grapplers all agree grappling is not for multiple attackers,its the worst possible choice in that situation.You wont find a credible source that thinks differently
@EvilDarkJackel every expert in combat or self defense agrees kata have no benefit in those areas.People do them because they dont know this or they have to in order to pass gradings.You could do them for 20 yrs every day and never be able to fight,you really need to get a good 10 more years experience in life and crosstraining in diferent arts before your opinion can be taken seriously
@billysue2 What source told you Grappling isn't good for multiple attackers?
WHen you learn how to redirect energy and throw very well. You can handle mutliple attackers. Or when you learn how to control one opponent who is friends with the rest of them. And you tell them to stay away or you break whatever joint you have in your control. Self defense is more than just knowing physical techniques. It relies on the philosophy that is taught in your martial art.
@BlackShinobiShozoku sparring full conatct for 25 yrs in kickboxing,tkd and thaiboxing and 10 yrs of grappling,some of which were spent doing self defence scenarios full force with protection,its incredibly hard to stay up against 2 grappling attackers.Also,ive spent lots of time around bjj black belts and practised jap jitsu,nobody thought grappling multiples was possible.
@billysue2 Doesn't matter if you do "self defense" scenarios. If your arts philosophy doesn't correctly deal in the manner of fighting a "reality" settting. Kickboxing, TKD, and Thaiboxing are all martial sports, not martial arts. And I know you haven't done REAL Japanese jujutsu, because you cannot spell/pronounce the romaji correctly. And BJJ is also another Martial sport. You come from martial sports that do not have the correct philosophy for reality.
@BlackShinobiShozoku training methods matter,not philosophy,the only realistic way to practise self defense is scenario training,that is,a full contact attack from ambush,multiple attack or sucker punch/attack.I did ryoi shinto ryu/fukuno ryu,a classical system for 2 years and never saw anything that worked under pressure,none of the dan grades could do anything under pressure but were incredible with compliant drills.
@billysue2 Actually you destroyed your credibility by saying philosophy of a martial art doesn't matter. Without understanding the philosophy behind the martial art... you won't ever really master the martial art. Because you don't truly understand what you're doing. You're just going through the motions. Nice try though. Ryoi Shinto Ryu died out around the Meiji time period. Who was your teacher in Ryoi Shinto Ryu?
@BlackShinobiShozoku there is still ryoi shinto today,it can be seen on youtube,i trained with a lad called jim shortt ,big time conman but very skilled and sought after coach.I meant that philosophy has no bearing on combat,if you equate philosophy with strategy then of course thats important.
Jim shortt doesn't have a legit Ryoi Shinto lineage.
And yes philosophy has bearing on combat. Your worldview consist of your outlook on things. For example to clear this up for you I will use Tae Kwon Do. Tae Kwon Do philosophical axioms are "A kick from a weaker man is stronger than a punch from a stronger man. From this they believe with practice they can make a kick as fast as a punch with distancing and timing."
@billysue2 From this philosophy is WHY you see Tae Kwon Do look the way it is. Because it's built around that axiom. So in Tae Kwon Do... what do you see a lot of? Kicking of course, because of their philosophy they focus more on using distancing and kicking strikes. MORE than usage of other limbs as weapons for striking. To master a Martial art you must understand its philosophical concepts behind what it is you are doing(aka techniques). Because martial arts are physical expressions of it.
But to be fair... Since I am a fair man. Which Japanese Jujutsu ryu did you study in? In reality you most likely haven't met "Real" Japanese Jujutsuka. As a practitioner of a real Japanese Jujutsu school. We also do Kata, and we also have added Randori(sparring) sessions(almost like Judo, but with less restrictions). And I have not found Kata useless like you have, it's actually necessary requirement for a lot more than just developing physical technique.
@BlackShinobiShozoku kata in grappling systems is slightly better than striking because youre making contact but theres no timing or sensitivity so youll never develope comab ability doing it.
@BlackShinobiShozoku theres nothing useful in kata,if you want to train a throw for reps,do uchikomi,if you want to train strikes ,hit pads with a skilled coach.
@billysue2 Yes there is something useful in Kata. Once again it helps to demonstrate the philosophical concepts behind the martial art(which are necessary if you want to be able to be a true warrior who is prepared for a REAL situation.)
Once you learn to stop looking at martial arts as a set of physical techniques or self defense classes. And see that martial arts are philosophy in WHICH you gain physical techniques and self defense. You will continue to be misguided about REAL martial arts.
@billysue2 wahtever man why do you bother arguing?They all belong to orientals..and all jujuitsu and most of grapppling orignated in japan so they al belong to japan in the end brazillian only have a name in jj because the gracie took the move and mix it in with the adapt version of it that he got from judo so without us hybird and modern martial arts such as bjj wont exist..so dont tripe or hate..we asian know the credit is still ours
Expert in combat or self defense? Who are these EXPERTS you keep referring too? Kata is very important in retaining techniques. Kata is essentially the "perfect situation" in which gives you a chance to fine tune your technique. Automatically sending someone into spar and then learn from it. Just won't help. The technique has to be ingrained into the practitioner. And a good way to do this is Kata.
@BlackShinobiShozoku kata ingrains useless technique that can never be achieved in practise.Every tech is useless without timing and distance perception and these cant be trained through kata,they have to be sparred.You can spar any tech right from the beginning,just dial down contact and isolate the tech as soon as you can do it without resistance.Combat experts would be those that teach the army,spec ops forces,riot squads,bouncers,not some fat black belts who teach oriental arts exclusively
@billysue2 How does Kata ingrain useless technique that can never be achieved in practice? Do you even realize what a Kata is? Even Judo has KATA within its system. I have favorited video of BJJ of Rickson Gracie and Royler Gracie performing self defense KATA in their system. Does that all of a sudden make their techniques useless because it was done in KATA? KATA is necessary for a warrior art.
@BlackShinobiShozoku yes the compliant method rickson did was useless,it doesnt matter who does it,its useless.The fact is ive hardly seen that used in bjj at all,its for demo only and isnt practical..IF kata is so necessary how come no decent fighter uses it in either mma,sport fighting or close quarter combat,its non existant in these areas for good reason.
Because MMA is sports. The philosophical aspects and many aspects of martial arts get dropped when you start dealing with sports. Mostly due to rules limiting them. For example many small joint manipulation techniques that work extremely well don't get practiced in many martial sports... because of them being illegal. It's only useless to you, because you don't see beyond the physical aspect of martial arts.
@BlackShinobiShozoku as far as I know ,small joint locks are a physical thing .They also are notoriously unreliable in combat ,bear in mind they were allowed in vale tudo,nhb and the early years of mma and they never worked.I very much see the point of the psychological benefits of martial arts,but that isnt the point here.
@billysue2 Actually they are very reliable in combat... when applied in the correct setting. (Which you don't know the correct setting since you don't do KATA nor understand the actual TECHNIQUE itself.) To you it's just another physical "move" or "trick" to defeat your opponent. Hence why MARTIAL sports appeal to you, not martial arts. And that's the issue with most Westerners. They're ignorant behind Eastern concepts, and are normally very impatient and want martial tricks.
KATA is what helps one not only develop their technique with fine tuning for the perfect situation FOR that technique. If they practice KATA the way it was to be practiced. It helps them understand the philosophy behind the martial art, and other aspects of the martial art that isn't gained through sparring. In our view in my system. KATA and Sparring are equally important. Just sending someone into spar... they don't really gain anything besides what it takes to do the technique.
@BlackShinobiShozoku there is no perfect situation and it always involves timing,pressure and unpredictabilility,none of which exist in kata,hence they are useless .Youll never find anyone credible that disagrees outside trad asian arts.
There aren't perfect situations in nature at all times. Which is why scientist have to make certain experiments with fine tuned conditions in order to witness something that cannot be witnessed due to the conditions not existing anymore. Same with KATA. It gives a person to fine tune their techinque in a perfect situation. So they can understand what is going on.
@BlackShinobiShozoku that analogy isnt logical,its an entirely different conceptl.Acquiring perfect technique without resistance is for beginners only or for warm ups,the bulk of training has to be resisted since combat is resisted last time i checked.Why do you think judoka who do lots of randori whip a classical jap jitsu lad when sparring.
@billysue2 It's it shouldn't be about what it took for them to get the technique. It should be about doing the technique correctly. It should be more than just physically doing the technique.
Combat Experts are those who teach arm, spec ops, riot squads, bouncers.... hmmmmmmmmm
Well I know plenty of them(including those in my school)whom agree that KATA is necessary in martial arts.
@BlackShinobiShozoku kata is part of many martial arts,it isnt necesary for combat in a ring ,cage or street/bar.Have a look athe the leaders in those fields i mention,none of them feel kata is a part of combat effectiveness and if they did I still wouldnt agree,Ive enough education in psychology,physical education ,sport fighting and some bouncing to know its completely illogical
KATA is necessary to truly master a martial art. It doesn't matter what "they feel"
it matters what is correct. And if you believe making someone spar to "find out" how to do a technique is the right way. Then let me be the first one to tell you... You're BIG TIME wrong. KATA comes first, then sparring as added extra. Other than that you're just play fighting.
@billysue2 Who is leader in those fields?KATA is necessary to truly master a martial art. It doesn't matter what "they feel" it matters what is correct. And if you believe making someone spar to "find out" how to do a technique is the right way. Then let me be the first one to tell you. You're BIG TIME wrong. KATA comes first, then sparring as added extra. Other than that you're just play fighting
@billysue2 It doesn't matter what "they feel" it matters what is correct. And if you believe making someone spar to find out how to do a technique is the right way. Then let me be the first one to tell you. You're BIG TIME wrong. KATA comes first, then sparring as added extra. Other than that you're just play fighting.
@billysue2 KATA comes first and then you can do sparring. If all you are doing is sparring. Then you're just merely play fighting. Because no martial arts is being understood.
@EvilDarkJackel i did them for 17 yrs in tkd,they were a complete waste of time but you had to do them for gradings.Many,many things black belts and masters do are pointless for combat
@EvilDarkJackel i didnt say it was impossible to defend against 2 lads ,i said it was next to impossible to grapple with 2 or more people.Striking preemptively the closest person,then the next and then running as soon as possible is the only sensible method.
@EvilDarkJackel look ,that video is an outright joke,everything from the attacks to the responses are ineffective and its anything but fast.It wasnt sparring either,if theres any compliance its not sparring.Katas are useless for developing anything to do with combat.
@EvilDarkJackel the samurai were rarely unarmed ,they had the swords and tanto for back up and i guarantee most of their stuff didnt work under pressure anyway.Youve also got to consider that they wore armour in battle so strikes would have been ineffective mostly,making it easier to grapple.Furthermore,something being ineffective has never bothered japs,they are notorious for blind faith,tradition over practicality
@EvilDarkJackel its impossible with 2 people .Look,how would a kid know whats possible in combat to begin with.Ive seen it attempted by bouncers who were dan grades in judo and jujitsu and get stomped and ive also practised it full contact in training and nobody can stay up against 2 people unless you hit and move,grappling isnt applicable in that situation
@EvilDarkJackel youll find that those breaks are just locks applied quickly and they have never proved reliable under pressure.Why do you think there has been only 1 or 2 in 17 yrs of mma n modern times.Shinya aoki has 1 over keith wasnieski
@EvilDarkJackel if it takes 3 seconds your fucked,the others will be all over you.Ive been training in combat arts and competing in them before you were even born ,both kickboxing and wrestling and bjj and lately more mma and I can tell you grappling cant be done against several attackers.The classical jujitsu methods you mention have never been shown to work
@EvilDarkJackel no body,anywhere could stop 5 lads putting him on the ground,even 5 untrained men would put anybody down.What you witnessed was students trying to make their master look good,it happens in every dojo.Youre either a teenage beginner to combat arts or an extremely naive adult with limited experience
@EvilDarkJackel so you can armlock an thaiboxer while you talk on your mobile to your girl and drinking a cocktail :)) then i must say ... respect!!!! :)
we did sparring once i tried to grap and armlock my mate who does muay thai. i was like i know multiple technics to bring you down. so we did sparring and i couldn even grap his hands once as i did i got punched with the other , as i went for the takedown i got a knee to my head but could take him down. so i got 10 hits on my and finally had him down. i could armlock him then. but honestly if he had another mate with him i would have been destroyed on the ground . so i decided to learn boxing :)
yes probably. but hats the way it goes in reality. ive learned jiu jitsu and i must admit 50% of the things ive learned there will never ever happen in life. for example an attacker hugs and holds you with two arms. 30 variations of technics against this. but i mean seriously .... what an idot hugs you if he wants to attack you.so its all useless technics weve leraned there .in the streets good boxing and kicking skills will help you and always bear a knife. and sports shoes to run like hell :))
@EvilDarkJackel flying knee its standard technic . grap your head with hands and jumping knee. even amateurs hit a standing man in the face. thats no problem
@EvilDarkJackel yes you can mix it very well . for example boxing and wrestling is a top combination. with wrestling i mean like bjj judo or any grappling. boxing / kick thai or sanda everything works fine. but against multiple targets in real life pls note never ever try throwing or grappling. the others will kill you and jump on your head while you are lying down in your own blood. keep distance against multiple targets and run away.
@EvilDarkJackel yes thats exactly the way it is. in the dojo we learn the technics with cooperative partners. and every student has so much respect of its sifu they will always play by his rules . or do you think a student kicks his master in the face while the other studens kick nuts punch face from behind . maybe with bottles / knifes throwing first a stone attack at one time from all sides low kicks knees punches without rules and just with only 1 goal! to destroy your opponent! thats life!
@EvilDarkJackel you really dont know what you are talking about seriously. do you talk the same shit in every thread dont you? you have never been in a real fight obviously. i wanna see how you try to throw one while the others give you knees in your head. throwing and grappling is the last thing you should do against multiple targets. why dont you upload a video where you show us how you would defend multiple targets by grappling . i am so curious :))))
@EvilDarkJackel there aint no grappling that ever worked on multiple attackers and stand up joint locks are extremely unreliable,its the reason no jap jujitsu guy has ever done anything in vale tudo or mma,the strength of joint attacks is on the floor.You thnk locks are gay when the entire style of jap jitsu is based on them,its where judo got its locks and bjj subsequently .
@EvilDarkJackel going to ground can be suicidal on the street depending on the situation,everyone knows this,thats why bjj is a limited form of self defense,you need to have some solid striking for multiple attacker situations or places with lots of other people around
@EvilDarkJackel bjj was never a sport until the 80s and 90s and thats still only 1 part of it,self defense is its origin and vale tudo a testing ground for that.Your statement would refer to judo .However,most bjj schools dont teach self defense properly anymore and jap jujitsu never taught it effectively in the first place.Also youre assuming bjj came from jujitsu,it di not,it came from judo which had already vastly overhauled classical jujitsu methods,should be called brazilian judo
@billysue2 not al of it but most of it and many of it and yes i know that some other country beside asia have it to but asia have the most and more effective..thaty si why grappling arts such as bjj use many or adapt many of our moves
@asian714cali the reason jj from Japan is more effective than bjj is because it was made for actual combat and not for sport. in Japanese jj the goal is to hurt as many people as possible and to remain alive while bjj is more of a sport where you give the opponent a chance to tap out
BJJ is so ordinary... a usefull technique? for monkeys, is truth that a complete fighter need knows about ground techniques, but decent martial arts like JJJ or judo can help in this....
A BJJ fight seem like a horrible skirmish between two gang members...
I disagree; there are no strikes to throat, no groin kicks or strikes, no strikes to back of head, no kicks to kidney, no eye gouging, no head butting, no small joint manipulation (as in small circle ju jitsu for example) and Kina Mutai is strictly fordbidden. MMA is a SPORT and such has rules. Those rules favor grapplers as techniques in other martial arts in a real fight to the death, for instance, are illegal and should be.
Anyone who doesnt grasp the fact that bjj is not a creation of a new art but just taking an old one putting a new name on it leaving out parts and marketing very well. Much like taking karate focusing on kicks only and saying is america karate. Peoples ego is all it is. I have to be a mster or grand master. If you like the jj do it if you like bjj fine. But please learn where it all comes from. The funny thing is it all has roots from india then to china to okinawa and japan so on and so fourth
BJJ ans JJJ are the same thing. The father of BJJ is Mitsuo Maeda. He teach Gracie Family and Ono's brothers in Brazil. The Maeda style is the same style of Gracie. Important: Maeda was a Jigoro Kano student, he was a jodoka. Arm Lock is Juji Gatame; Triangle is Sankako Juji Me; Kimura is Ude Garame; 100Kg is Yoko Shiho Gatame...; BJJ has origins in NeWaza (from Judo), its not a milenar fight. Jiu Jitsu = Ju Jutsu, the same Kanji, Is the name for many styles.
@w4rm4th judo was definitely not the same as jap jujitsu,it was kano changing everything that was wrong with jujitsu,like never sparring against resistance.While bjj techs feature many techs from jjj,it is trained completely differently.I could walk into any jjj school anywhere and destroy most of its black belts and im just a 4 yr purple belt,that would never happen in bjj.
BJJ ans JJJ are the same thing. The father of BJJ is Mitsuo Maeda. He teach Gracie Family and Ono's brothers in Brazil. The Maeda style is the same style of Gracie. Important: Maeda was a Jigoro Kano student, he was a jodoka.
@krichards816 Boxing/Wing Chun/JKD and some pressure point fighting from Okinawan Kempo. Honestly the rules in MMA favor the Jiu Jitsu guys and there are alot of rules. I have cross trained with many styles and yes when the BJJ guys get me down on the ground its over. But one can have success keeping that from happening. In any event my comment was not to say it isn't effective because it is, just that its often more boring to watch than hitting. MMA is more exciting since they changed rules.
@coxscorner mma rules do not favour grapplers,if it did there would be no ref standups nor gloves,both those rules would very much favour grapplers.The rules favour striking exchanges to satisfy spectators since they dont understand grappling
Yo guys there's no need to compare.. if u r looking for just ground fights then u learn BJJ. If u wan strikes n grappling both stand up n ground then learn JJJ. Both arts r gd it depend on the person how hard he/she trains n understand it well:)
Put credit where it is due. Kosen Judo = Origin of BJJ. Rickson said in his book that the japanese held back on teaching and taught only the basics because they were non-japanese and thus had to learn and evolve the art on their own. Helio did not improve/invent it. 100% is still from Kosen Judo. Spiderguard, dela rivaguard, bicep compression etc etc. all existed in ancient japan. even application is the same.
What i've learned is that 5 guys against 1 will always end in that 1 going to the hospital. Someone metioned that BJJ is not effective against 2 guys, well how can JJJ or other stand up martial arts be effective against 2 guys if they aren't effective agains 1 bjj guy?
the problem in a figh with many people is that,the time you go to the ground,you lose instantly.(others kick you in the face,or punch you,while you might do a pretty good job against the one guy you are fighting!)
With a standup martiel art like,for an instance, boxing, one learns to powerfully strike, go in and out.Take a look at the boxer videos,here ar 2 or 3 vids on u tube,wich show a boxer fight several opponents.Everything has to be trained:boxing,judo,jiujitsu,muay thai, taekwondo
excuse me for all the typing mistakes :D i have a new keyboard (those flat...shit things ^^) and i sometime by accident hit the wrong buttons, or leave some out ^ ^
@KAnthonyRat in this video traditional jj defeat bjj...in the street traditional is more efective because its not just floor. i was fight with 5 rugbiers and i defeat all of theme with just one knoking punch
Every martial art video in youtube has been hated on watever the art is. I am sick and tired of trolls talking crap. Nowadays it seems impossible to find a REAL, HUMBLE practioner of any martial art
maybe some of the ones who are hating on it are doing it for the benefit of others. if someone randomly invented a "martial art" and it was useless, i'd want people to say bad stuff about it rather than let people get hurt
You can all say BJJ sucks or is not street effective.But then you go and say that JJJ techniques had been stolen By BJJ,But..I thought you all just said BJJ sucks? and JJ was better.. Look you all just seem to be very biased,BJJ and JJ have proven themselfs to be Street effective,I am suprised there is no attack on Judo,which has barley even evolved passed the Gi,But if My training has taught me anything,its that as Long as you train hard,You can use it on the street. Train hard and Humble.
@yeee941 i agree, but the reason why everybody respects judo, is because of the vicious throws. they are dangerous and can knock you out on the canvas, and judo has lots of ways to throw
it has a ground game too though, something which most people dont know, if they have even heard of groundfighting/submissionfighting at all.
grappling is underrated, true that, but anybody who is willing to try bjj will find out, so dont listen to the people who dont know what tehyre talking about.
@yeee941 JJJ isn't all about humping ur opponents leg. And thats all BJJ is.. fukin ruination of the fighting sports and arts. Stand up and fight like a fukin human.
@yeee941 straight up and down. judo is good for street in some way's but because of all the rules agaonst leg locks and certain takedowns now, judo is more of a sport like tkd. judo is based on jj but they have evolved away from self defense and into the sport reigon and continue to do so. allthough against someone inexperianced a judoka would no doubt pwn in hand to hand combat.
@chucknorrisisgodchas judo has always been more of a sport,that was the intention since 1945 but a good judoka would destroy any street guy if they were familiar with punching defense.Leg locks are very risky on the street and judo hasnt allowed for for over 50yrs
brasilian jiu jitsu is not the best martial art out there...it just happens to fit smoothly to the sport of mma which has rules...a kung fu master for instance, can poke the eyes, smash the tongue or anything...just like a ninja but thats not allowed in mma. a good art but the best. i dont believe there is such a thing as the best art...but only good martial artists.
Jiu Jitsu is how you spel the brazillian/brasilian version. Ju Jutsu is how you spell the Japanese. However BJJ's (Gracie style) was based off of a type of Newaza Judo.
Brasilian is the correct spelling. we dont spell it like that in america but that is how you spell it in brasil. i teach at a gracie barra and there are refs. there is a point system and i would put a jiu jitsu guy against any other martial arts there is. it is one of the few proven martial arts out there. so learn your facts and get your stuff straight.
Why don`t you stick to beain a troll on some other videos,and leave the fighting to those who have ATLEAST once been in a fight,and NO,fighting with your brother offer who gets your moms basement doesn`t count....
there is not such a thing as BJJ , is just Ne waza or ground technique in judo and jiujitsu !!! and true fight is all the way it doesnt have to end by a submission or jury decision, but by cutting you head off with a KATANA ! or breaking your nek by a kubi sutemi waza , thats true martial arts , no referee and no rules !!
yes this is such thing as BJJ and its a lot different from normal jiujitsu it concentrates more on technique than over powering the opponent... the rest of your comment i wont waste my time with arguing with. you already seem like an idiot..
your a dumb ass... in Jiu Jitsu their are no fucking reffs. you get the other person to pass out... they throw punch you close distance, execute take down and choke them out... and i would like to see you try to kill someone with a katana
... and Refferee is the boss of the fight , his decision is final . when i spoke about a katana is just figure of speech,it meens all the way fight , but you moron you dont understand shit cos you think only submission ! empty head fuck !
Yu r all dumb BJJ is much superior than jjj cos in bjj yu dont need size and strength technique is the main thing! thats y it was invented! and yu can see that its better by looking at the gracie's ! so pls shut up people!
el estupido bjj no sirve en el mundo real :D, solo es una deformacion infame del judo, no es mas que wrestling en el piso y ya, lo unico que tiene es que es muy vistoso, por lo tanto la gente que nunca ha practicado el jiu jitsu tradicional cae muy facilmente ante la ideologia del bjj, ya que es mas cotidiano ver a alguien tirar a otra persona al piso y darse unas revolcadas y golpes a lo estupido en lugar de ver tecnica y velocidad como en el jjj, por eso el bjj es mas comercial
bjj is a derivate from judo but when it arrived to brazil everyone thought that jiu jitsu and judo were the same so that's why it is named brazilian jiu jitsu and not brazilian judo
sorry for my english but it's not my mother language
so i take it that the blue belt is the bjj guy and the (red belt ?) is the jjj guy??? I only say that cause the blue belt has all the patches on the gi..
I'm not saying either art is better, but I know that I prefer JJJ. A good school would show u how to roll, teach u strikes and self-defense and how to deal with multiple opponents.
I know BJJ has good self-defense, but IMO it doesn't deal well with standup or multiple opponents.
The debate among Martial Artists about "keeping it real" is dumb. Real Japanese Jujutsu as with other ancient Samurai killing arts is only practiced today in obscure dojos often with a ritual aspect to it and not for sport.
When people say the practice/teach plain Jujutsu it is often Judo with Karate and Aikido mixed in (this is what i do). BBJ is basically Judo too.
Yes agreed. Really good fight.
SuperJiujitsu101 3 months ago
really good fight a shame about the quality tho :/
nice finnish (triangle)
MsTrickJay 4 months ago
Péssima a imagem. Não tem como avaliar quem é quem.
2011EliasMelo 5 months ago
brasileiro gosta do roça roça...
bruno29356 5 months ago
it should be called Brazilian JUDO, they learned it from a JUDO TEACHER, not traditional jujutsu!
Taud 5 months ago
The bjj and certainly more efficient than Japanese jj, jj and improvement of the Japanese, uses less power and fatal blows .... and efficient in the case of video, the one to evaluate the art of fighting, so the fighters, one was better q other, not the art that prevailed. Brazilian fighters have shown isso.Helio, Rickson, Royce, Ryan, Renzo (Gracie all), anderson silva ... and several others only Gracie family has more than twenty wrestlers .... away the thousands in the country.
peedroivo 6 months ago
si ese es un practicante de bjj yo soy helio grace
adrianmiers 6 months ago
@adrianmiers jaja igual le gane
molojiujitsu 4 months ago
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ANYNMYS2010 8 months ago
o video ta muito ruim a imagem ta osso
firefox5433 9 months ago
minecraft mma -.-
AlexanderSimonelli 9 months ago 3
imbeciles...da lastima ver que pongan en mal el nombre del bjj gente que ni sabe...cualquier tipo masacra a este de jj jap
SuperZe77 10 months ago
did u buy this lens at a used fish tank store? Looks like a manatee exhibit got in the way of the fight.
BlizzGMX 11 months ago
Considering the physique of the BJJ guy is visibly stronger, I'll have to give it to the Jujutsu guy in this vid.
C00LTUBE 1 year ago
Looks like BJJ rules, i didn't see any proper Ju Jitsu, otherwise the Gracie would've been owned in 1 minute!
properjujitsu 1 year ago
The worst thing in all martial arts is this video quality.
TerminusAt 1 year ago 21
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@billysue2 KATA comes first and then you can do sparring. If all you are doing is sparring. Then you're just merely play fighting. Because no martial arts is being understood.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@EvilDarkJackel again making no sense,you need to write in english so people can understand
billysue2 1 year ago
@EvilDarkJackel judoka arent groundfighers,mostly its standing grappling.In the situation you describe ,nothing would likely work but striking is still the best option.I actually mostly train grappling for the last 5 yrs ,due to injury I cant kickbox anymore and hae spent lots of time with high leel wrestlers,judoka and bjj lads who also do mma and none of them think of it as self defense outside 1 on 1 situation.Its jap jitsu clowns that think that.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2
High level wrestlers, Judoka, and BJJ train for sports.
These are martial sports, not martial arts. That is why they think differently from a person trained in traditional japanese jujutsu thinks. Since REAL Japanese Jujutsu comes from Japanese Feudal Military warriors. The philosophy behind them are much different than ones that were developed for sport.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku amongst the worst martial artists ive ever seen have been jap jitsu dan grades who have never sparred in their lives.Under pressure,they cannot do 1 single thing they train for and those that could were also sport athletes.Exchanging techs without resistance isnt an effcetive method of practise for self defense or anything else either.
billysue2 1 year ago
@EvilDarkJackel you can hardly write the english language so its difficult to unerstand your ideas.So now youre agreeing they were being compliant.
billysue2 1 year ago
@EvilDarkJackel there was total compliance,not an ounce of resistance ,its obvious to anybody who trains in a real grappling art,they were even attacking in slow motion.Dont bother responding,youre just a kid
billysue2 1 year ago
@EvilDarkJackel definitely,the very best grapplers all agree grappling is not for multiple attackers,its the worst possible choice in that situation.You wont find a credible source that thinks differently
billysue2 1 year ago
@EvilDarkJackel every expert in combat or self defense agrees kata have no benefit in those areas.People do them because they dont know this or they have to in order to pass gradings.You could do them for 20 yrs every day and never be able to fight,you really need to get a good 10 more years experience in life and crosstraining in diferent arts before your opinion can be taken seriously
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 What source told you Grappling isn't good for multiple attackers?
WHen you learn how to redirect energy and throw very well. You can handle mutliple attackers. Or when you learn how to control one opponent who is friends with the rest of them. And you tell them to stay away or you break whatever joint you have in your control. Self defense is more than just knowing physical techniques. It relies on the philosophy that is taught in your martial art.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku sparring full conatct for 25 yrs in kickboxing,tkd and thaiboxing and 10 yrs of grappling,some of which were spent doing self defence scenarios full force with protection,its incredibly hard to stay up against 2 grappling attackers.Also,ive spent lots of time around bjj black belts and practised jap jitsu,nobody thought grappling multiples was possible.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 Doesn't matter if you do "self defense" scenarios. If your arts philosophy doesn't correctly deal in the manner of fighting a "reality" settting. Kickboxing, TKD, and Thaiboxing are all martial sports, not martial arts. And I know you haven't done REAL Japanese jujutsu, because you cannot spell/pronounce the romaji correctly. And BJJ is also another Martial sport. You come from martial sports that do not have the correct philosophy for reality.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku training methods matter,not philosophy,the only realistic way to practise self defense is scenario training,that is,a full contact attack from ambush,multiple attack or sucker punch/attack.I did ryoi shinto ryu/fukuno ryu,a classical system for 2 years and never saw anything that worked under pressure,none of the dan grades could do anything under pressure but were incredible with compliant drills.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 Actually you destroyed your credibility by saying philosophy of a martial art doesn't matter. Without understanding the philosophy behind the martial art... you won't ever really master the martial art. Because you don't truly understand what you're doing. You're just going through the motions. Nice try though. Ryoi Shinto Ryu died out around the Meiji time period. Who was your teacher in Ryoi Shinto Ryu?
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku there is still ryoi shinto today,it can be seen on youtube,i trained with a lad called jim shortt ,big time conman but very skilled and sought after coach.I meant that philosophy has no bearing on combat,if you equate philosophy with strategy then of course thats important.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2
Jim shortt doesn't have a legit Ryoi Shinto lineage.
And yes philosophy has bearing on combat. Your worldview consist of your outlook on things. For example to clear this up for you I will use Tae Kwon Do. Tae Kwon Do philosophical axioms are "A kick from a weaker man is stronger than a punch from a stronger man. From this they believe with practice they can make a kick as fast as a punch with distancing and timing."
That is philosophy of Tae Kwon Do.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@billysue2 From this philosophy is WHY you see Tae Kwon Do look the way it is. Because it's built around that axiom. So in Tae Kwon Do... what do you see a lot of? Kicking of course, because of their philosophy they focus more on using distancing and kicking strikes. MORE than usage of other limbs as weapons for striking. To master a Martial art you must understand its philosophical concepts behind what it is you are doing(aka techniques). Because martial arts are physical expressions of it.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@billysue2
But to be fair... Since I am a fair man. Which Japanese Jujutsu ryu did you study in? In reality you most likely haven't met "Real" Japanese Jujutsuka. As a practitioner of a real Japanese Jujutsu school. We also do Kata, and we also have added Randori(sparring) sessions(almost like Judo, but with less restrictions). And I have not found Kata useless like you have, it's actually necessary requirement for a lot more than just developing physical technique.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku kata in grappling systems is slightly better than striking because youre making contact but theres no timing or sensitivity so youll never develope comab ability doing it.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2
There are things you can get from Kata you can't get from sparring and vica versa.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku theres nothing useful in kata,if you want to train a throw for reps,do uchikomi,if you want to train strikes ,hit pads with a skilled coach.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 Yes there is something useful in Kata. Once again it helps to demonstrate the philosophical concepts behind the martial art(which are necessary if you want to be able to be a true warrior who is prepared for a REAL situation.)
Once you learn to stop looking at martial arts as a set of physical techniques or self defense classes. And see that martial arts are philosophy in WHICH you gain physical techniques and self defense. You will continue to be misguided about REAL martial arts.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@billysue2 wahtever man why do you bother arguing?They all belong to orientals..and all jujuitsu and most of grapppling orignated in japan so they al belong to japan in the end brazillian only have a name in jj because the gracie took the move and mix it in with the adapt version of it that he got from judo so without us hybird and modern martial arts such as bjj wont exist..so dont tripe or hate..we asian know the credit is still ours
asian714cali 9 months ago
@asian714cali asians dont own grappling,there is grappling in many regions that have nothing to do with japan.
billysue2 9 months ago
@billysue2
Expert in combat or self defense? Who are these EXPERTS you keep referring too? Kata is very important in retaining techniques. Kata is essentially the "perfect situation" in which gives you a chance to fine tune your technique. Automatically sending someone into spar and then learn from it. Just won't help. The technique has to be ingrained into the practitioner. And a good way to do this is Kata.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku kata ingrains useless technique that can never be achieved in practise.Every tech is useless without timing and distance perception and these cant be trained through kata,they have to be sparred.You can spar any tech right from the beginning,just dial down contact and isolate the tech as soon as you can do it without resistance.Combat experts would be those that teach the army,spec ops forces,riot squads,bouncers,not some fat black belts who teach oriental arts exclusively
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 How does Kata ingrain useless technique that can never be achieved in practice? Do you even realize what a Kata is? Even Judo has KATA within its system. I have favorited video of BJJ of Rickson Gracie and Royler Gracie performing self defense KATA in their system. Does that all of a sudden make their techniques useless because it was done in KATA? KATA is necessary for a warrior art.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku yes the compliant method rickson did was useless,it doesnt matter who does it,its useless.The fact is ive hardly seen that used in bjj at all,its for demo only and isnt practical..IF kata is so necessary how come no decent fighter uses it in either mma,sport fighting or close quarter combat,its non existant in these areas for good reason.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2
Because MMA is sports. The philosophical aspects and many aspects of martial arts get dropped when you start dealing with sports. Mostly due to rules limiting them. For example many small joint manipulation techniques that work extremely well don't get practiced in many martial sports... because of them being illegal. It's only useless to you, because you don't see beyond the physical aspect of martial arts.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku as far as I know ,small joint locks are a physical thing .They also are notoriously unreliable in combat ,bear in mind they were allowed in vale tudo,nhb and the early years of mma and they never worked.I very much see the point of the psychological benefits of martial arts,but that isnt the point here.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 Actually they are very reliable in combat... when applied in the correct setting. (Which you don't know the correct setting since you don't do KATA nor understand the actual TECHNIQUE itself.) To you it's just another physical "move" or "trick" to defeat your opponent. Hence why MARTIAL sports appeal to you, not martial arts. And that's the issue with most Westerners. They're ignorant behind Eastern concepts, and are normally very impatient and want martial tricks.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@billysue2
KATA is what helps one not only develop their technique with fine tuning for the perfect situation FOR that technique. If they practice KATA the way it was to be practiced. It helps them understand the philosophy behind the martial art, and other aspects of the martial art that isn't gained through sparring. In our view in my system. KATA and Sparring are equally important. Just sending someone into spar... they don't really gain anything besides what it takes to do the technique.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku there is no perfect situation and it always involves timing,pressure and unpredictabilility,none of which exist in kata,hence they are useless .Youll never find anyone credible that disagrees outside trad asian arts.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2
There aren't perfect situations in nature at all times. Which is why scientist have to make certain experiments with fine tuned conditions in order to witness something that cannot be witnessed due to the conditions not existing anymore. Same with KATA. It gives a person to fine tune their techinque in a perfect situation. So they can understand what is going on.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku that analogy isnt logical,its an entirely different conceptl.Acquiring perfect technique without resistance is for beginners only or for warm ups,the bulk of training has to be resisted since combat is resisted last time i checked.Why do you think judoka who do lots of randori whip a classical jap jitsu lad when sparring.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 why do I think Judoka do lots of randori? I never said lots of randori is bad.
But like I said earlier... Judo is a martial sport. And they train for SPORT.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@billysue2 It's it shouldn't be about what it took for them to get the technique. It should be about doing the technique correctly. It should be more than just physically doing the technique.
Combat Experts are those who teach arm, spec ops, riot squads, bouncers.... hmmmmmmmmm
Well I know plenty of them(including those in my school)whom agree that KATA is necessary in martial arts.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku kata is part of many martial arts,it isnt necesary for combat in a ring ,cage or street/bar.Have a look athe the leaders in those fields i mention,none of them feel kata is a part of combat effectiveness and if they did I still wouldnt agree,Ive enough education in psychology,physical education ,sport fighting and some bouncing to know its completely illogical
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2
Who is leader in those fields?
KATA is necessary to truly master a martial art. It doesn't matter what "they feel"
it matters what is correct. And if you believe making someone spar to "find out" how to do a technique is the right way. Then let me be the first one to tell you... You're BIG TIME wrong. KATA comes first, then sparring as added extra. Other than that you're just play fighting.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
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@billysue2 Who is leader in those fields?KATA is necessary to truly master a martial art. It doesn't matter what "they feel" it matters what is correct. And if you believe making someone spar to "find out" how to do a technique is the right way. Then let me be the first one to tell you. You're BIG TIME wrong. KATA comes first, then sparring as added extra. Other than that you're just play fighting
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@billysue2 It doesn't matter what "they feel" it matters what is correct. And if you believe making someone spar to find out how to do a technique is the right way. Then let me be the first one to tell you. You're BIG TIME wrong. KATA comes first, then sparring as added extra. Other than that you're just play fighting.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@billysue2 KATA comes first and then you can do sparring. If all you are doing is sparring. Then you're just merely play fighting. Because no martial arts is being understood.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@EvilDarkJackel i did them for 17 yrs in tkd,they were a complete waste of time but you had to do them for gradings.Many,many things black belts and masters do are pointless for combat
billysue2 1 year ago
@EvilDarkJackel no sense
billysue2 1 year ago
@EvilDarkJackel that makes zero sense
billysue2 1 year ago
emmmm it seems that the japanese jujitsu guy wins... (judging by their gis looking).
toastyzone 1 year ago
@EvilDarkJackel i didnt say it was impossible to defend against 2 lads ,i said it was next to impossible to grapple with 2 or more people.Striking preemptively the closest person,then the next and then running as soon as possible is the only sensible method.
billysue2 1 year ago
@EvilDarkJackel unlikely means it cant be relied upon as a strategy
billysue2 1 year ago
@EvilDarkJackel he was a trained boxer and didnt attempt to grapple,thats why he survived
billysue2 1 year ago
@EvilDarkJackel look ,that video is an outright joke,everything from the attacks to the responses are ineffective and its anything but fast.It wasnt sparring either,if theres any compliance its not sparring.Katas are useless for developing anything to do with combat.
billysue2 1 year ago
@EvilDarkJackel the samurai were rarely unarmed ,they had the swords and tanto for back up and i guarantee most of their stuff didnt work under pressure anyway.Youve also got to consider that they wore armour in battle so strikes would have been ineffective mostly,making it easier to grapple.Furthermore,something being ineffective has never bothered japs,they are notorious for blind faith,tradition over practicality
billysue2 1 year ago
@EvilDarkJackel its impossible with 2 people .Look,how would a kid know whats possible in combat to begin with.Ive seen it attempted by bouncers who were dan grades in judo and jujitsu and get stomped and ive also practised it full contact in training and nobody can stay up against 2 people unless you hit and move,grappling isnt applicable in that situation
billysue2 1 year ago
evil ive never heard a fat chick like you talking sooo much shit about Ma. lets go sparring i like to piss in your fuckface
thanatas 1 year ago
@EvilDarkJackel youll find that those breaks are just locks applied quickly and they have never proved reliable under pressure.Why do you think there has been only 1 or 2 in 17 yrs of mma n modern times.Shinya aoki has 1 over keith wasnieski
billysue2 1 year ago
@EvilDarkJackel if it takes 3 seconds your fucked,the others will be all over you.Ive been training in combat arts and competing in them before you were even born ,both kickboxing and wrestling and bjj and lately more mma and I can tell you grappling cant be done against several attackers.The classical jujitsu methods you mention have never been shown to work
billysue2 1 year ago
@EvilDarkJackel no body,anywhere could stop 5 lads putting him on the ground,even 5 untrained men would put anybody down.What you witnessed was students trying to make their master look good,it happens in every dojo.Youre either a teenage beginner to combat arts or an extremely naive adult with limited experience
billysue2 1 year ago
@EvilDarkJackel so you can armlock an thaiboxer while you talk on your mobile to your girl and drinking a cocktail :)) then i must say ... respect!!!! :)
thanatas 1 year ago
@EvilDarkJackel lol :)
thanatas 1 year ago
we did sparring once i tried to grap and armlock my mate who does muay thai. i was like i know multiple technics to bring you down. so we did sparring and i couldn even grap his hands once as i did i got punched with the other , as i went for the takedown i got a knee to my head but could take him down. so i got 10 hits on my and finally had him down. i could armlock him then. but honestly if he had another mate with him i would have been destroyed on the ground . so i decided to learn boxing :)
thanatas 1 year ago
yes probably. but hats the way it goes in reality. ive learned jiu jitsu and i must admit 50% of the things ive learned there will never ever happen in life. for example an attacker hugs and holds you with two arms. 30 variations of technics against this. but i mean seriously .... what an idot hugs you if he wants to attack you.so its all useless technics weve leraned there .in the streets good boxing and kicking skills will help you and always bear a knife. and sports shoes to run like hell :))
thanatas 1 year ago
@EvilDarkJackel watch the vide link ive send you. thats real life situation watch until the end and think what technics would have helped
thanatas 1 year ago
@EvilDarkJackel flying knee its standard technic . grap your head with hands and jumping knee. even amateurs hit a standing man in the face. thats no problem
thanatas 1 year ago
@EvilDarkJackel yes you can mix it very well . for example boxing and wrestling is a top combination. with wrestling i mean like bjj judo or any grappling. boxing / kick thai or sanda everything works fine. but against multiple targets in real life pls note never ever try throwing or grappling. the others will kill you and jump on your head while you are lying down in your own blood. keep distance against multiple targets and run away.
thanatas 1 year ago
@EvilDarkJackel yes thats exactly the way it is. in the dojo we learn the technics with cooperative partners. and every student has so much respect of its sifu they will always play by his rules . or do you think a student kicks his master in the face while the other studens kick nuts punch face from behind . maybe with bottles / knifes throwing first a stone attack at one time from all sides low kicks knees punches without rules and just with only 1 goal! to destroy your opponent! thats life!
thanatas 1 year ago
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@EvilDarkJackel as you said . you watched CLASS where the INSTUCTER threw his STUDENTS :) . nothing more to say
thanatas 1 year ago
@EvilDarkJackel you really dont know what you are talking about seriously. do you talk the same shit in every thread dont you? you have never been in a real fight obviously. i wanna see how you try to throw one while the others give you knees in your head. throwing and grappling is the last thing you should do against multiple targets. why dont you upload a video where you show us how you would defend multiple targets by grappling . i am so curious :))))
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thanatas 1 year ago
@EvilDarkJackel there aint no grappling that ever worked on multiple attackers and stand up joint locks are extremely unreliable,its the reason no jap jujitsu guy has ever done anything in vale tudo or mma,the strength of joint attacks is on the floor.You thnk locks are gay when the entire style of jap jitsu is based on them,its where judo got its locks and bjj subsequently .
billysue2 1 year ago
@EvilDarkJackel going to ground can be suicidal on the street depending on the situation,everyone knows this,thats why bjj is a limited form of self defense,you need to have some solid striking for multiple attacker situations or places with lots of other people around
billysue2 1 year ago
@EvilDarkJackel bjj was never a sport until the 80s and 90s and thats still only 1 part of it,self defense is its origin and vale tudo a testing ground for that.Your statement would refer to judo .However,most bjj schools dont teach self defense properly anymore and jap jujitsu never taught it effectively in the first place.Also youre assuming bjj came from jujitsu,it di not,it came from judo which had already vastly overhauled classical jujitsu methods,should be called brazilian judo
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 not al of it but most of it and many of it and yes i know that some other country beside asia have it to but asia have the most and more effective..thaty si why grappling arts such as bjj use many or adapt many of our moves
asian714cali 9 months ago
@asian714cali the reason jj from Japan is more effective than bjj is because it was made for actual combat and not for sport. in Japanese jj the goal is to hurt as many people as possible and to remain alive while bjj is more of a sport where you give the opponent a chance to tap out
chavez614 8 months ago
BJJ is so ordinary... a usefull technique? for monkeys, is truth that a complete fighter need knows about ground techniques, but decent martial arts like JJJ or judo can help in this....
A BJJ fight seem like a horrible skirmish between two gang members...
NatsumaruSama 1 year ago
I disagree; there are no strikes to throat, no groin kicks or strikes, no strikes to back of head, no kicks to kidney, no eye gouging, no head butting, no small joint manipulation (as in small circle ju jitsu for example) and Kina Mutai is strictly fordbidden. MMA is a SPORT and such has rules. Those rules favor grapplers as techniques in other martial arts in a real fight to the death, for instance, are illegal and should be.
coxscorner 1 year ago
Anyone who doesnt grasp the fact that bjj is not a creation of a new art but just taking an old one putting a new name on it leaving out parts and marketing very well. Much like taking karate focusing on kicks only and saying is america karate. Peoples ego is all it is. I have to be a mster or grand master. If you like the jj do it if you like bjj fine. But please learn where it all comes from. The funny thing is it all has roots from india then to china to okinawa and japan so on and so fourth
treerhino1st 1 year ago
BJJ ans JJJ are the same thing. The father of BJJ is Mitsuo Maeda. He teach Gracie Family and Ono's brothers in Brazil. The Maeda style is the same style of Gracie. Important: Maeda was a Jigoro Kano student, he was a jodoka. Arm Lock is Juji Gatame; Triangle is Sankako Juji Me; Kimura is Ude Garame; 100Kg is Yoko Shiho Gatame...; BJJ has origins in NeWaza (from Judo), its not a milenar fight. Jiu Jitsu = Ju Jutsu, the same Kanji, Is the name for many styles.
w4rm4th 1 year ago
@w4rm4th judo was definitely not the same as jap jujitsu,it was kano changing everything that was wrong with jujitsu,like never sparring against resistance.While bjj techs feature many techs from jjj,it is trained completely differently.I could walk into any jjj school anywhere and destroy most of its black belts and im just a 4 yr purple belt,that would never happen in bjj.
billysue2 1 year ago
BJJ ans JJJ are the same thing. The father of BJJ is Mitsuo Maeda. He teach Gracie Family and Ono's brothers in Brazil. The Maeda style is the same style of Gracie. Important: Maeda was a Jigoro Kano student, he was a jodoka.
w4rm4th 1 year ago
i'm confused. didn't the bjj guy lose? either way, this was a very... meh fight.
sevengone 1 year ago
@sevengone why confused the bjj guy lost. all ground fights are meh anyway. /yawn.
coxscorner 1 year ago
@coxscorner What style are you? Do you open spar with different styles?
krichards816 1 year ago
@krichards816 Boxing/Wing Chun/JKD and some pressure point fighting from Okinawan Kempo. Honestly the rules in MMA favor the Jiu Jitsu guys and there are alot of rules. I have cross trained with many styles and yes when the BJJ guys get me down on the ground its over. But one can have success keeping that from happening. In any event my comment was not to say it isn't effective because it is, just that its often more boring to watch than hitting. MMA is more exciting since they changed rules.
coxscorner 1 year ago
@coxscorner mma rules do not favour grapplers,if it did there would be no ref standups nor gloves,both those rules would very much favour grapplers.The rules favour striking exchanges to satisfy spectators since they dont understand grappling
billysue2 1 year ago
BJJ skills are awesome! Hands down.
63CrazyCat 1 year ago
ok which one is bjj which one is japanese?
cual es jiu jitsu brasileno y cual es japonese???
Dissez503 1 year ago
Yo guys there's no need to compare.. if u r looking for just ground fights then u learn BJJ. If u wan strikes n grappling both stand up n ground then learn JJJ. Both arts r gd it depend on the person how hard he/she trains n understand it well:)
Tripz87 1 year ago
tekpix wins ?)
sidmario 1 year ago
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Put credit where it is due. Kosen Judo = Origin of BJJ. Rickson said in his book that the japanese held back on teaching and taught only the basics because they were non-japanese and thus had to learn and evolve the art on their own. Helio did not improve/invent it. 100% is still from Kosen Judo. Spiderguard, dela rivaguard, bicep compression etc etc. all existed in ancient japan. even application is the same.
watch?v=xjidQQz1yjM&feature=related JIGORO KANO > HIRATA SENSEI
ipyonoti 1 year ago
The action seems good but the quality of the video sucks majorly.
beefnliver 2 years ago
Good fight but the quality of this video :-((
BBeach98 2 years ago
What i've learned is that 5 guys against 1 will always end in that 1 going to the hospital. Someone metioned that BJJ is not effective against 2 guys, well how can JJJ or other stand up martial arts be effective against 2 guys if they aren't effective agains 1 bjj guy?
KAnthonyRat 2 years ago
krav maga :D
xupamelacorneta 2 years ago
the problem in a figh with many people is that,the time you go to the ground,you lose instantly.(others kick you in the face,or punch you,while you might do a pretty good job against the one guy you are fighting!)
With a standup martiel art like,for an instance, boxing, one learns to powerfully strike, go in and out.Take a look at the boxer videos,here ar 2 or 3 vids on u tube,wich show a boxer fight several opponents.Everything has to be trained:boxing,judo,jiujitsu,muay thai, taekwondo
achalter 2 years ago
but you need to know how to fight on the ground as well to be a complete fighter
MMACHMP 1 year ago
@MMACHMP u also need weapons training to be complete as well, and dont forget about tai-bo training- got to stay in shape :D
ikcjjtt 1 year ago
@achalter In traditional jiu jitsu in not just ground! we have punch, kiks, projections and self defense!
molotronix 1 year ago
excuse me for all the typing mistakes :D i have a new keyboard (those flat...shit things ^^) and i sometime by accident hit the wrong buttons, or leave some out ^ ^
achalter 2 years ago
@KAnthonyRat in this video traditional jj defeat bjj...in the street traditional is more efective because its not just floor. i was fight with 5 rugbiers and i defeat all of theme with just one knoking punch
molotronix 1 year ago
BJJ it's very effective in a 1-to-1 fight. But, how can a BJJ fighter defeat two or three armored guys trying to stole him??
xupamelacorneta 2 years ago
what are you saying? what if i stole you?
jdupree13 2 years ago
yes, with two or three armored guys,
xupamelacorneta 2 years ago
@xupamelacorneta
To fend off a group of 3 or 4 dogs cowards, it is best shot in the head to each of them .... O_O
You understand me right?
pedroiranzo 2 years ago
of course, it is the better opcion, the most of them deserves a good shot in head, but, what happens when you are without weapons??
xupamelacorneta 2 years ago
@xupamelacorneta
I answer with another question.
If I have a gun and those 3 or 4 cowardly dogs also have a gun?: (
pedroiranzo 2 years ago
Armored guys? Like Knights?
mmtxaz 2 years ago
@xupamelacorneta Well how would you defeat them ? , in any case it's VERY hard to win a 3 on 1 fight, no matter who you are.
Einsamkeitmann 2 years ago
Every martial art video in youtube has been hated on watever the art is. I am sick and tired of trolls talking crap. Nowadays it seems impossible to find a REAL, HUMBLE practioner of any martial art
wtflol90 2 years ago 2
maybe some of the ones who are hating on it are doing it for the benefit of others. if someone randomly invented a "martial art" and it was useless, i'd want people to say bad stuff about it rather than let people get hurt
Superapplefrog 2 years ago
hmm in the way you put it. I may actually agree
wtflol90 2 years ago
apparently the brazillian version is more popular, effective and used more often
Dmasterman 2 years ago
I love bjj but I really cant stand people who jump to guard.
charliemurphyslaw 2 years ago
You can all say BJJ sucks or is not street effective.But then you go and say that JJJ techniques had been stolen By BJJ,But..I thought you all just said BJJ sucks? and JJ was better.. Look you all just seem to be very biased,BJJ and JJ have proven themselfs to be Street effective,I am suprised there is no attack on Judo,which has barley even evolved passed the Gi,But if My training has taught me anything,its that as Long as you train hard,You can use it on the street. Train hard and Humble.
yeee941 2 years ago 13
@yeee941 i agree, but the reason why everybody respects judo, is because of the vicious throws. they are dangerous and can knock you out on the canvas, and judo has lots of ways to throw
it has a ground game too though, something which most people dont know, if they have even heard of groundfighting/submissionfighting at all.
grappling is underrated, true that, but anybody who is willing to try bjj will find out, so dont listen to the people who dont know what tehyre talking about.
CarlitoJohnson 1 year ago
@yeee941 JJJ isn't all about humping ur opponents leg. And thats all BJJ is.. fukin ruination of the fighting sports and arts. Stand up and fight like a fukin human.
Guinea54 1 year ago
@yeee941 straight up and down. judo is good for street in some way's but because of all the rules agaonst leg locks and certain takedowns now, judo is more of a sport like tkd. judo is based on jj but they have evolved away from self defense and into the sport reigon and continue to do so. allthough against someone inexperianced a judoka would no doubt pwn in hand to hand combat.
chucknorrisisgodchas 1 year ago
@chucknorrisisgodchas judo has always been more of a sport,that was the intention since 1945 but a good judoka would destroy any street guy if they were familiar with punching defense.Leg locks are very risky on the street and judo hasnt allowed for for over 50yrs
billysue2 1 year ago
brasilian jiu jitsu is not the best martial art out there...it just happens to fit smoothly to the sport of mma which has rules...a kung fu master for instance, can poke the eyes, smash the tongue or anything...just like a ninja but thats not allowed in mma. a good art but the best. i dont believe there is such a thing as the best art...but only good martial artists.
ouvenp 2 years ago
the gracies proved that BJJ is the best martial art because when they fought everything was aloud ball squeezing eye gouging whatever you wanted
hazard2000 2 years ago
wtf?
mistermanlysir 2 years ago
AMEN BRUTHA!
help495 2 years ago
Jiu Jitsu is how you spel the brazillian/brasilian version. Ju Jutsu is how you spell the Japanese. However BJJ's (Gracie style) was based off of a type of Newaza Judo.
Dmasterman 2 years ago
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3 of the things that i most like in the world
1)brazilian jiu jitsu
2)japanese feijoada
3)korean fajitas!
dumaiden666 2 years ago
Brasilian is the correct spelling. we dont spell it like that in america but that is how you spell it in brasil. i teach at a gracie barra and there are refs. there is a point system and i would put a jiu jitsu guy against any other martial arts there is. it is one of the few proven martial arts out there. so learn your facts and get your stuff straight.
redsadie2 2 years ago
Brazilian jiu jitsu dominates the world of the fights, Helio gracie father of the BJJ
Edison26Alves 2 years ago
pinche video feo , mal tomado , pa la otra graben mejor el video
taipad 2 years ago
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I just can't see any fight going on...I see only two guys having a gay sex.
slavegrind 2 years ago
Been choked out much huh?
Why don`t you stick to beain a troll on some other videos,and leave the fighting to those who have ATLEAST once been in a fight,and NO,fighting with your brother offer who gets your moms basement doesn`t count....
znjfl 2 years ago
Was this done on a fone
ultimatefas0121 2 years ago
you cant even spell right
taylortid118 2 years ago
why do people feel the need to be stupid on the internet. flame more about it man it is what it is.
NeedsZoloft 2 years ago
se ve como las weas
Vegantakedowner 2 years ago
there is not such a thing as BJJ , is just Ne waza or ground technique in judo and jiujitsu !!! and true fight is all the way it doesnt have to end by a submission or jury decision, but by cutting you head off with a KATANA ! or breaking your nek by a kubi sutemi waza , thats true martial arts , no referee and no rules !!
neomauresque 2 years ago
yes this is such thing as BJJ and its a lot different from normal jiujitsu it concentrates more on technique than over powering the opponent... the rest of your comment i wont waste my time with arguing with. you already seem like an idiot..
filmit50 2 years ago
why do the Gracies use steroides then ?i say your mama would be an idiot cos she didnt teach you to be polite.
neomauresque 2 years ago
your a dumb ass... in Jiu Jitsu their are no fucking reffs. you get the other person to pass out... they throw punch you close distance, execute take down and choke them out... and i would like to see you try to kill someone with a katana
WWII 2 years ago
look in the vid that guy in the middel with black jacket , he doesnt look like your mama does he ? that the ref you moron
neomauresque 2 years ago 7
... and Refferee is the boss of the fight , his decision is final . when i spoke about a katana is just figure of speech,it meens all the way fight , but you moron you dont understand shit cos you think only submission ! empty head fuck !
neomauresque 2 years ago 2
I bet you have never even been to a jiu-jitsu tournament have you?
hazard2000 2 years ago
Yu r all dumb BJJ is much superior than jjj cos in bjj yu dont need size and strength technique is the main thing! thats y it was invented! and yu can see that its better by looking at the gracie's ! so pls shut up people!
BMDLP 2 years ago
el estupido bjj no sirve en el mundo real :D, solo es una deformacion infame del judo, no es mas que wrestling en el piso y ya, lo unico que tiene es que es muy vistoso, por lo tanto la gente que nunca ha practicado el jiu jitsu tradicional cae muy facilmente ante la ideologia del bjj, ya que es mas cotidiano ver a alguien tirar a otra persona al piso y darse unas revolcadas y golpes a lo estupido en lugar de ver tecnica y velocidad como en el jjj, por eso el bjj es mas comercial
Ztartrip 2 years ago
bjj is a derivate from judo but when it arrived to brazil everyone thought that jiu jitsu and judo were the same so that's why it is named brazilian jiu jitsu and not brazilian judo
sorry for my english but it's not my mother language
Ztartrip 2 years ago 3
japanese jiujitsu is better
Stardusthill 3 years ago
you have no idea really brazilian jiu jitsu it's the best marital art ever!
jigrylr 3 years ago
yes, i have it and japanese jiu jitsu is better.
Stardusthill 3 years ago
Ive dont both and prefer brazilian
Jbob35 2 years ago
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Arkananjo 3 years ago
u cant spell
xcvcvxxcvcvx 3 years ago
who was who?
Dmasterman 3 years ago
so i take it that the blue belt is the bjj guy and the (red belt ?) is the jjj guy??? I only say that cause the blue belt has all the patches on the gi..
I'm not saying either art is better, but I know that I prefer JJJ. A good school would show u how to roll, teach u strikes and self-defense and how to deal with multiple opponents.
I know BJJ has good self-defense, but IMO it doesn't deal well with standup or multiple opponents.
EvilLeprecon20 3 years ago 3
The debate among Martial Artists about "keeping it real" is dumb. Real Japanese Jujutsu as with other ancient Samurai killing arts is only practiced today in obscure dojos often with a ritual aspect to it and not for sport.
When people say the practice/teach plain Jujutsu it is often Judo with Karate and Aikido mixed in (this is what i do). BBJ is basically Judo too.
Khomradeigor 3 years ago