Vote NO on Amendment #2 - Floridians Speak Out

[Problems123]

Faggots.

[Unforgiven1231]

@MrLyons0 And sorry to add salt to an open wound but guess what? Religion is a dying breed. Atheism is up 138 percent. From 14.3 million to 34.1million says recent surveys. Sorry but your a dying breed. Soon religion will be seen as obsolete which IT IS. It was a pretty good lie, and it lasted for a pretty long time. But all lies are found out eventually. A lie is a lie, it doesn't matter if they write it down and call it history (reference to the "bible").

[Unforgiven1231]

@MrLyons0 And the Founding Fathers? Guess what Freemasons, NOT Christians.

[Unforgiven1231]

@MrLyons0 Wanna know why? Because we have FREEDOM OF RELIGION WHICH IS ALSO FREEDOM FROM RELIGION.

[Unforgiven1231]

@MrLyons0 The jewish swear over the Tanakh, a muslum over the Al-Qur'an. Seriously, are you that stupid? You wear over YOUR OWN RELIGION, and if your an athiest you do nto swear over ANYTHING.

[Unforgiven1231]

@MrLyons0 And anyone that is an Atheist does not have to swear over ANYTHING.

[Unforgiven1231]

@MrLyons0 Roflmfao, your full of sh*t. You got busted by facts. Get over it dude.

[Unforgiven1231]

@MrLyons0 (c)religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries" (The Search for Christian America, p. 131).

Strange stuff for a nation that some like to say was founded as a "Christian" nation! Strange stuff, indeed! But myths die hard, if ever!

NO THE USA IS NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION!

Otherwise the founding fathers would have put that in the official papers!

[Unforgiven1231]

@MrLyons0 (c) of Tripoli in 1797. This treaty was negotiated under Washington, ratified by the Senate, and signed by President John Adams. The telling part is a description of religion in America:

"As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion -- as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [i.e., Muslims] ..., it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from (c)

[Unforgiven1231]

@MrLyons0 (c)the Bible is never mentioned nor alluded to in either document! Nor is God or Jesus Christ mentioned in the hundreds of pages of the Federalist Papers (the "working documents" of the founding fathers). In fact, the United States was the first Western Nation to omit explicitly Christian symbolism, such as the cross, from its flag and other national symbols.

Further incidental evidence of the founders' own views is the statement from a treaty with the Islamic nation(c)

[Unforgiven1231]

@MrLyons0 (c)of Independence nor in the Constitution of the United States! In fact, the Constitution does not even make a single reference to God! (When Alexander Hamilton was asked why the Constitution fails to mention God, he allegedly replied, "We forgot.") And the reference to God in the Declaration of Independence is merely "Nature's God," a God that is vague and subordinated to natural laws that everyone should know through common sense, i.e., "self-evident" truths. Moreover, (c)

[Unforgiven1231]

@MrLyons0 (c)is pure fantasy.

Nevertheless, the "Christian America" myth lives on. We again return to the previous question: If America was truly founded as an explicitly Christian nation (as is continually proclaimed by "Christian" activists such as James Dobson, Pat Robertson, D. James Kennedy, Chuck Colson, Tim and Beverly LaHaye, Jerry Falwell, Bill Gothard, etc.), then why do we find no mention whatsoever of Jesus Christ in America's founding documents? -- not in the Declaration (c)

[Unforgiven1231]

@MrLyons0 (c)the knowledge and means to subdue the earth and take dominion in the name of Jesus Christ, then that privilege has been terribly abused. If, on the other hand, Satan gave that knowledge and means, his purposes have certainly been accomplished. The fruit of Western Civilization, in spite of its enlightened accomplishments, demonstrates that no attempt to institute the Kingdom of God on earth before Jesus returns can succeed. So the idea of a covenant between America and God (c)

[Unforgiven1231]

@MrLyons0 (c)of this nation of sovereign states failed to do.

It is apparent that the Western European influences that shaped America were part of what had become known as "Christendom." But a culture based on the idea of "Christendom" does not of itself constitute a culture based on Scripture or an inviolable covenant with God. The history of Christendom is an ugly history fraught with tyranny and the enslavement of those who are less "enlightened." If God gave (c)

[Unforgiven1231]

@MrLyons0 (c) so there exists no covenant between the Father and the federal government of the United States, or with any state government. Had the constitutions of all these governments, including the federal government, named faith in Jesus Christ as the principle criterion for holding any elective or appointed office, this would have had to be done in the name of Jesus Christ with full understanding of the true Biblical character of His role as Savior and Lord. This the founders (c)

[Unforgiven1231]

@MrLyons0 (c)of Confederation drafted the Constitution of the United States of America, no mention was made of Jesus Christ. Rather, the only references to deity in the Declaration of Independence were to "God"; none are in the Constitution. In fact, many of the framers of these documents were anti-Christian, being comprised of Masons and deists of many persuasions.

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God does not enter into covenants that do not invoke the name of His Son,(c)

[Unforgiven1231]

@MrLyons0 (c)War, it had no official bearing on the federal government or on any of the colonies or states created either prior to or after the American Revolution. If we are going to call America a Christian nation we must see if its founding body, the Continental Congress, purposed to establish it as such. Did that body, in fact, covenant with God to form this nation?

When the Continental Congress drafted the Declaration of Independence and later, the Congress formed under the Articles (c)

[Unforgiven1231]

@MrLyons0 (c)afterthought designed to keep the colony intact after they were blown off course from their intended landing at the mouth of the Hudson River, having landed instead at what later became Massachusetts. When they set sail, it was not part of their original intent to draft the Mayflower Compact and form a Christian colony under its terms.

Although the document that the Mayflower passengers drew up did have some influence on the charters of a few colonies prior to the Revolutionary (c)

[Unforgiven1231]

@MrLyons0 (c) Christian government. On the contrary, the Mayflower Compact specifically reaffirmed their loyalty to the king of England.

Nor were these all religious refugees on the Mayflower. True, some of those aboard the Mayflower were Protestant Separatists who had fled England to Holland to escape persecution from the Reformed Angelican Church prelates, but the principals were men commissioned to further the business of the Virginia Company. The Mayflower Compact was an (c)

[Unforgiven1231]

@MrLyons0 c)references were "overlooked" in the federal documents -- see below.)

But some ask, "What about the Mayflower Compact?" We cannot dispute that some of the early settlers in this country were Christians, at least nominally. And the Mayflower Compact did form a body politic, one of the purposes of which was to honor the king of England. But just because they had as one purpose to advance the Christian faith does not mean they meant to do so by establishing an independent (c)

[Unforgiven1231]

@MrLyons0 History disputes the idea that this is a nation under covenant with God. Were it so, the founding fathers would have all been Christians in the true sense. And they would have established belief in and obedience to Jesus Christ as the primary criterion for holding elective or appointed office. (Many of the state constitutions did include references to God and to Jesus Christ; somehow, these (c)

[Unforgiven1231]

@MrLyons0 no remember the the king was saying that every one had to pray his way and to him

Ahh no, the king did not at all demand that anyone pray to him, he demanded that they go to church and pray to "God". Get your facts straight. Americans came to America to get away from religious persecution this is FACT and anyone rudimentary understanding of world history will tell you that.

oh last time i checked its a sin in any religion to be gay

Not in Buddhism, debunk.

[Unforgiven1231]

@MrLyons0 "Usa is a christian nation and that what it is. freedom of religious means you have to right to pray any where and pray any way you want."

Actually USA is a mix religioned country. Not to mention Freedom of religion does not mean you can pray anyway or anywhere you want. It doubles as FREEDOM FROM RELIGION. Anyone is able to choose what religion they choose to believe.

[99988743]

just because im against gay marriage does not mean im a bigot.marriage is a sacred union between man and woman created by God.

[AlbinoTanuki]

I voted no and they STILL passed the amendment! XP

[ianboswell]

Florida is now no different than a hick state and deserves to be treated as it always has been: a piece of crap swamp land with no material value whatsoever.

This is going to destroy the cost of housing and it will demonstrate that not only are the people of Florida ignorant and hateful to their fellow man, but they are willing to hoist their hatred up to the tops of their highest forms of government to say forever:

We beleive that all men are NOT created equal.

I'm leaving this state now!

[fester1375]

I'm glad amendment 2 passed. If you need any help leaving let me know.

[thompang]

I am not totally convienced that amendment 2 is a good thing. I think I will have to vote yes for 2 because I think marriage should be between man and woman. I feel bad for those couples that are widowed and meet someone else but there is nothing stopping them from getting married. I still have some questions about how their pension would be effected. I don't understand why hetrosexual couples won't marry. The first woman in the video never explained her situation on why she can't marry.

[davidls11]

Thompang, please reconsider. Equal rights means equal for all. Don't cast your vote in favor of discrimination. Love is love.

[shychildofchaos]

If you aren't totally convinced this amendment is right the way it is, vote no. Make them rework it until you're satisfied. Don't pass something you can't get behind fully. Don't settle for anything less than what is acceptable to you. Myself personally, I'm voting it down. Equal right are not only for certain types of people. Everyone deserves the same choices, and anything less is unacceptable to me. But, please, if you aren't satisfied with it, make sure they know.

[OSTARAEB4]

The real tragedy is that such an amendment is on the ballot. Typical do as I say, not as I do attitude. Another divisive hate campaign from the Republicans and some churches. It's repugnant and un-American! Vote NO!

[davidls11]

Discrimination and bigotry have no place in America. Same-sex marriage is here to stay...get used to it you bible-thumping homophobic jesus freaks. Vote NO on amendment 2.

[CaseyGoodDog]

If marriage was about religion you wouldn't be able to get married in Vegas by Elvis.

Amendment 2 is about discrimination. What kind of American's would vote to write discrimination into any constitution.

[seminoleCOE]

thank you for posting this!

i watched many videos on both sides and this one swayed my opinion.

[seminoleCOE]

thank you for posting this!

i watched videos on both sides and this one swayed my opinion.

[ChompGa]

YES ON 2!!!

[noellynmike]

I agree.

[smashbro49]

i agree ChompGa

[Lizzie12348]

Whether you want it to or not, now or 100 years from now, gay marriage/relationship will eventually be accepted by everyone. We can only move forwards. So people against gay marriage should just get over it.

[sdonald83]

When it is proof Jesus occuplied this earth. No one can disaprove the Bible. Everything that it said will occur is now occurring. It's more things in there that is a proven fact. You can argue all you want but what is the sense when you don't even have knowledge of the Bible. You are a loser and not worth a debate.......cya

[daganboy]

The bible is wrong.

Check the origin of species.

Check quantum mechanics.

Check the human biology textbooks.

[sdonald83]

Nothing written in the Bible has ever been proven wrong...Darwin theory (orgin of species) has so many cracks in it. Also (orgin of species) has so many theories. Quantum Mechanics is a good way to study atoms the all the more reason to prove God is real. Human Biology textbooks....filled with theories but also prove How wonderful of Creator "we" have.......

[sdonald83]

also I didn't say people can't love who they want.

[daganboy]

I believe you mean "Also, I did not say people can't love whom they want."

[daganboy]

Btw: it is spelled "Doodoo" not "dodo."

[daganboy]

VOTE NO ON 2!!!

[sdonald83]

I'm voting yes. I will not conform to this world. Marriage is between man and women. USA is on its way to a slippery slope.

[daganboy]

Why should marriage only be between a man and women?

[sdonald83]

To be quite honest I have my own beliefs about this (what this country was established on). If two men or two women want to get married then thats their personal decision. By voting no, you are allowing doors to be opened to other things. Like gays adopting which is totally unfair to the child. Preserve the sanctity of marriage. Roman empire and this country have so many similarities. Think about it

[daganboy]

HAHAHA! You are such a silly person! Why the hell would it be unfair for a child to have gay parents. It's better than a single mother or father!

[sdonald83]

So funny.... And u r such a lost and wondering soul with a bird brain. You allow the world idealogy decide for you. Think about it. If the world said its ok to eat dog dodo you will follow.

[daganboy]

Hypocrite! I thought a long time about this, I do not believe most things the world tells me.

[sdonald83]

Hypocrite......lol wow I guess you got me there never heard that before.....moving on..

At least I made you think about something. You don't give much thought when typing comments.

[hesheme18]

Sanctity of marriage lol, thats funny.

Is marriage not ruined by the couple not their sex. duh lol.

Is marriage not already ruined

[sdonald83]

hESHEME18, you not even worth a comment. You don't even know the history of marriage. Why it was created. The Bible says when MAN and Woman get married they become one. Now science even show that husband and wives after a while have the same strands of DNA. Before you respond, research this. Studies show that this does not happened to unmarried couples or gay couples. Research.

[sdonald83]

I know very funny.LOL. That you only think amenment 2 is about gays marrying. Vote yes...I said preserve the sanctity of marriage not same sex ruin marriages.

[daganboy]

Marriage is about people who love each other, people should not be discriminated against because of whom they love. If a man loved a man, then they should be married, unless they are underaged.

[sdonald83]

daganboy....what is the point of marriage? Who created it? Why was it created? If it was not only supposed between man and women then (as I mention before)Now science even show that husband and wives after a while have the same strands of DNA.Studies show that this does not happened to unmarried couples or gay couples. This just proves what the word of God says when man and women get married they become one. Explain....

[daganboy]

In order to publicly declare love/interpersonal relationships.

No one knows, as it predates recorded history.

See first answer.

God doesn't exist.

Jesus doesn't exist.

[sdonald83]

Ok now I know you are ignorant. You need to do your research on the history of marriage. You still can't explain why husbands and wives that have been married for awhile have the same strand of dna. It doesn't show in gay couples or unmarried heterosexual couples. It only proves that the word of God is true "When man and women marrys they become (one)." However,you probably don't even understand that concept.And you can't prove that God and Jesus doesn't exist. cont....

[daganboy]

Actually I meant to say Jesus did not rise from the dead nor was he magical or the son of god. He was, however, a mortal.

From whom did you get your facts? Bill O' Reily? LOLS.

Mabye I can't prove that god doen't exist, but I can prove that the bible is wrong.

There is nothing fucking special about humans, we are just a collection of atoms!

Ignorant Christian Rebublican!

[sdonald83]

Where is Jesus' body located? Not found... I do not watch Bill O'Reily and don't really care for his opinions. Plz prove the Bible is wrong. One word of it. "There is nothing f**King special about humans." Terrorist Thinking. "Ignorant Christian Rebublican!" It is funny that you said that when I never voted Rebublican a day in my life and will not do so this time around. Ignorant in what? Christian, u right. Can I say u r an Ignorant Atheist Democrat...lol

[rebecaaaXP]

Rude much?

Even if I wasn't a christian,even if I wasn't supporting voting yes to ammendment 2, & even if I wasn't supporting McCain,[which i am to all]

I'd probably vote for them to make people like you mad(:

Yes,science is constantly developing,but it's also been proven wrong a bunch of times.

The Bible is not wrong,AT all.

Morally.Scientifically.Histori­cally.

Oh&You're just dust. I'm just dust.We're all just glorified dust.(:

But yet again, what do I know?I'm just a teenager..

[stpetebabe]

Not to worry - Amendment 2 merely embeds current Florida law into the constitution so that those who wish to preserve the sanctity of marriage as the union between one man and one woman can feel comfortable that the ACLU or some other group is not going to challenge the law in court. Nothing changes - benefits, powers of attorney, EVERYTHING stays the same. What you hear is being put out by special interest groups who actually want the CHANGE the law rather than keeping it as it is now.