Not to me it isn''t. I love my daughter as a husband and wife and we don't have any problem with it. From a religious point of wiev it's wrong if her mother would be included in the marriage. Both the Quran and Bible are against such marriages with a woman and her offspring at the same time related or not. Oh Zend-Avesta is let's say overly generous. Even the urine of any incest couple can be used as a cleansing for corpse carriers and as a means for exorcism. Satan clearly don't like it.
other than preconceived (often religious) prejudice and ignorance, there is no justifiable reason incest under those circumstances is immoral in any sense whatsoever. all attempts to argue so are usually based on arguments from personal preference, common perception, religion or culture.
also, i think its funny that the bible condones a lot of incest. the entire jewish nation was founded by abraham and his half sister, and lot impregnated his 2 daughters.
And as I explained before incest is not the cause of child deformities it is because "white trash" is the specific people that practice incest the most and they have child deformities because of the heavy drug and alchohal abuse, any healthy incest couple would have just as much of a chance as any normal couple who had a baby, very little, but any unhealthy drug abusing incest couple would have just as much of a chance as any other drug abusing couple, it has nothing to do with incest itself.
I personally would not practice it but I see absolutely no problem with it as long as it is consensual and practiced between two adults, and believe it or not (I am not one to practice Christianity) the entire human race is a product of incest and I this is the reason I see no problem with it.
Now people are concerned about child deformities and I'll be one to tell you that webbed toes are the only defect, unless the child bearer is practicing heavy drug and alchohal abuse, hence "white trash".
Well its immoral if you make a baby for sure. There are many other people you can do sex with so why a relative? Maybe its not so imimoral as it is unnecessary. I see potential for abuse as many consentual sex acts that appear consentual on the surface are not
Good So am I and I wouldnt either. However, the video is asking not whether anyone in particular would do it...some do....the question is...if it is consentual and there is no harm being done,...is it inherently immoral?
I am typing this after mulling this question over for a week after seeing your video. An interesting question to be sure and I have come to a conclusion.
Disconcerting & licentious...yes.
Immoral & unjust...no.
Between two consenting adults, there can be no wrong in the act itself. When it is done with malicious intent, by either gender, then it is no better than any other sexual assault. There are risks to be sure, but when both parties are aware and willing to face them, why is it wrong?
i have a mom and sister who are both good looking i love them both very much. I would never do anything sexual with either of them. To me its fucking disgusting i don't understand why some people do it.
I think alot of these comments are probably pedofiles / porn addicts, making up stories to try and get eachother off.
The issue here is not that you or I or many other find it disgusting....the point of the video is to ask a tough question: If we are talking about 2 constenting adults and there is no harm being done...is it Immoral?
@djosephallen Yes its still wrong, its not normal. I know someone who has been in the porn business for 25 years. They were in the movie taboo 6, and even to them its wrong.
people should not be thrown in jail for it, but consensual or not its still wrong, and will never be accepted.
@SKshooter You're wrong and you're obviously not educated in the matter, the entire human race is a product of incest and if you had sex with a stranger it is litterally the same as having sex with your sister.
I think incest should be legal if it is nonprocreative acts like oral sex and sodomy. I also think related couples that are not able to procreate should be able to get married.
@mefondlevagina Your argument fails when you are not in favor of a similar ban on people with genetic problems that are more likely to create babies with problems. Also the science behind incest babies is not supportive of greater birth defects unless the inbreeding goes to multiple levels.
the issue really becomes should it be against the law, and if so, it makes the consenting argument problematic.
My half-sister and I are incest and she is pregnant with our baby....I'm very happy and we treat eachother amazing. We are both consenting and if you would argue that the baby could potentially have problems and use that as a basis of why it immoral than it is also immoral to have a child with a sickle-cell anemia trait or a depressive trait or any genetic trait for that matter. If this is not immoral than why is incest?
@duckknuckler I agree with you 100% about incest,and to tell you the truth I don't think people should say that people who do incest that their children will be all fucked up,because you also have people who don't do incest,and their children are fucked up.I support incest 100%
Simply put, this means that if the two people participating in the incest are healthy, they will produce even more healthy offspring. If they are unhealthy, they'll produce even more unhealthy offspring. Considering this is probably the primary factor that is used by those condemning the act of incest, I'd say those doing so need to educate themselves and revisit the issue. In answer to the question, NO, there is NEVER anything immoral about two adults engaging in consentual sex.
First, before I get into the question, the idea that Incest will automatically lead to birth defects in offspring is a MYTH. Incest doesn't directly lead to congenital birth defects; it leads to an increase in the frequency of homozygotes. An increase in homozygotes has diverging effects. A homozygote encoding a congenital birth defect will produce children with birth defects, but homozygotes that do not encode for congenital birth defects will decrease the number of carriers in a population.
Good! Then you can glorify your Korean cum as well for all a care you anti anaryist leftest genetic wast. Its a shame that my great Japanese aryan comrades where not allowed to finish off those faggot Chinese and Korean goncks in world war 2. Best wishes that Japan gets back its Asiatic Empire as soon as possible.
Not only is incest not moral and un aryan european. It weakens genes. Both offspring share there Father's Y-chromenozes, and Mother's microcondrial DNA. It simply does not make good strong offspring. Its probealy even worse then race mixing to some degree. It also weakens spiritual karma.
Im here on youtube to share opinions and hear from peoples points of view.However I will not allow my channel to be a platform for bigots and racists. And you sir, are one. All your comments contain some sort of ignorant and racist assertion.About jews(by the way Im of jewish descent just so you know)koreans,and others.
And I am damn fucking proud of what you call me! I believe the different races once seperated can live in peace but I am totally against Jews.
"About jews(by the way Im of jewish descent just so you know)koreans,and others."
Then understand that I do not give you a fuck! I hate all Jews and that includes you! I am opening up 70 accounts with defferent EMails and with them each all your and your subs and friends videos will be repeadtly flagged and DCMA'd. FUCK JEWS!!!!!!!!!!!
I do believe that Social Darwinism does have some basies in fact. I think most human evolution accored in Asia not Africa. Multi Regional theory is a good one. However Atheism is a total lie. I support all monarchs and religions as divinaly legitiment. To say there is not higher God Gods or speritual force is just apsurd. It cant be proven or disproven. Atheism and Nihilism are Jewish Freemason and NOT Aryan inventions!
Atheism is a complete lie. There is no such thing as evolution. Aryan or Europeans did not come from Apes in Africa. Simple as that. Please present evidence to suggest evolution as FACT! Until thin this is just a theory and nothing more.
Just pretend I was not here. Gay merrige, incest, and race mixing are not what true Toutonic Nordics or Aryans do. You peons can do this all you wont in Isreal or so plance like that. But not In Europe or the U.S.A.. Get the fuck out!
A study showed that people who had children with their cousin didn't have higher rates of defects but even if they did it should not be illegal to bread with whom ever you want. Lots of people know they have increased risk of passing on genes that could cause birth defects and they have children anyway. People should asses the risk and do what they want.
anyhow why don't you make a video clarifying what you meant by that. LOOK sicko economy is different to biology!!!!! different rules apply to different things. what's bad in economy is not always so for biology. BTW "then not breeding is even worse because it "kills" the child" what a stupid comment yet again. if you don't breed there is no life if there is no life you can't kill one. get it dumb ass? it's a logical fallacy.
"you are too stupid to understand it. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's wrong." are we talking about the same guy who bends over for an Asian and tell others not to race mix? wow what a great philosophy
"inbreeding allows you to pass on more of your genes" to do so gives you less immunity to disease. nothing you say is supported by medical practitioner.
what the fuck dose ice cream have to do with anything. if this is supposed to be a metaphors it don't apply make no sens. it's a totally a different subject
Ok, let me rephrase. If it hurts those closest to you and if it is going to hurt those who will be closer to you (your children due to incest will not have a good social life) then yes it is immoral.
BTW other then the undeniable fact that inbreeding causes negative genetic mutation there is also the danger of the same gen passed around in a given community make the the community susceptible to disease due the lack of genetic verity. i've see a documentary supporting my point I'll post the link when i find it. BTW middle eastern country's that practice such a thing do so for religious reason (to keep the religion going) i'm not going to explain that it's a long new subject
1. We are not talking about racemixing, we are talking about incest.
2. You said it yourself that there are different kinds of WN. There are KKK WN, NAZI WN, Redneck WN, Skinhead WN, etc. I was talking about rednecks.
3. The middle east is majority muslim so I am pretty sure it is somewhere in Sharia Law that fucking your cousin is alright. But just because it is practised somewhere else does not make it moral.
Anyone who doesn't think it is immoral needs to have a stone tied around his neck and thrown into a deep deep river.
What sort of sick human being would want to fuck his own sister. I would only expect that from rednecks. Anyone who doesn't think it is immoral is a sick redneck White Nationalist.
you sick fuck!! you tried to speak out against interracial with the justification of DNA and yet you have no problem with incest and the genetic danger it have. all i can say is sicko sicko sicko
I don't even see why criteria A & C must be met to be honest. The reaction people have is a mechanism for not producing offspring with handicaps from what I can tell.
I don't know if I see it as immoral. If I were to try to make a case, I would say that if they did engage in it, then they should not reproduce. Have sex all they want, but when 2 people share 50% of their DNA there is a higher probability that some negative recessive traits will be expressed. That becomes their child's problem and goes beyond just the two of them. That's all I can think of with regards to their being anything wrong with it. They could adopt or borrow some sperm.
Of course it is not immoral. The person who sent you the PM is correct. Maybe it's disgusting to us, to this society, to people living in this culture, but if it is between two adults and truly consensual, I say it's a-ok. I really think it is that simple.
Well ... I think being human is much more complicated than that. Wouldn't those parameters allow for the justification of many questionable behaviors? I really think that the place to start is with the animal kingdom. If it's common there, than we can be certain that the process of evolution hasn't embedded an instinctual aversion to it, and therefore, our taboo is completely arbitrary or constructed. That's my thinking, anyway.
(part one) Simply for having the cojones to introduce this topic for debate, I gave you 5 stars! : ) But, the video also sets just the right tone to invite the audience to actually stop and think about it. I think it's the music and your subdued voice. ; ) In any case, you got me to think about it long enough for the initial gut reaction to pass ... and now I'm curious about a few things. Societal morality aside, because we used to allow 12 year olds to marry, is incest even natural?
(part two) Does incest occur in the animal kingdom? More specifically, do our fellow apes practice incest? Gorillas, chimpanzees, orangutans? I wonder if it occurs in the animal kingdom because as human beings we forget that much of the morality we have developed would make no sense to the less evolved species on our planet. So, I'll have to do some research and watch a few documentaries this weekend before I can even BEGIN to answer this question. Thanks for the mental exercise!! Bravo!
Very good vid, the term "moral" is hard to actully pinpoint, but, one would also say morallity comes from the society you live in's standards, and seeing as it is looked down upon in modern soceities, one could judge it being not moral from that perspective, however, personally, when i think long about it, i honestly dont see any problem with it.
Sure I understand that viewpoint, indeed, in lots of cases its actually considered a crime, so you can say its illegal....but is it immoral?
There are lots of things we look down upon that might just be taboo, not liked, or seen as not very acceptable in society without actually crossing the line into immorality.
My point exactly, however, i personally don't believe in any kind of absolute morallity, so if a society accepts it, and as you descriped it, doesn't harm anyone, i don't see anything wrong with it, logicly, there is no bad aspects of it, if fx a brother and a sister share a relationship kind of love and do not plan to have children, no harm is done to anyone, therefore it can more or less be boiled down to a taboo, however a very powerful one perhaps. Then again maybe the reason for this
Banning, is perhaps the same kind of feeling that condemmed homosexuallity in earlier societies, that most people find it uncommon and alien and therefore fear it. Also another aspect is that you'd have to be totally sure that they would not end up having children, which might be a little hard. Just my futher thoughts, i appreciate your ideas
Not to me it isn''t. I love my daughter as a husband and wife and we don't have any problem with it. From a religious point of wiev it's wrong if her mother would be included in the marriage. Both the Quran and Bible are against such marriages with a woman and her offspring at the same time related or not. Oh Zend-Avesta is let's say overly generous. Even the urine of any incest couple can be used as a cleansing for corpse carriers and as a means for exorcism. Satan clearly don't like it.
ShahMashya 1 month ago
other than preconceived (often religious) prejudice and ignorance, there is no justifiable reason incest under those circumstances is immoral in any sense whatsoever. all attempts to argue so are usually based on arguments from personal preference, common perception, religion or culture.
also, i think its funny that the bible condones a lot of incest. the entire jewish nation was founded by abraham and his half sister, and lot impregnated his 2 daughters.
matthewjumps 8 months ago
And as I explained before incest is not the cause of child deformities it is because "white trash" is the specific people that practice incest the most and they have child deformities because of the heavy drug and alchohal abuse, any healthy incest couple would have just as much of a chance as any normal couple who had a baby, very little, but any unhealthy drug abusing incest couple would have just as much of a chance as any other drug abusing couple, it has nothing to do with incest itself.
EmWhyEntertainment 1 year ago
I personally would not practice it but I see absolutely no problem with it as long as it is consensual and practiced between two adults, and believe it or not (I am not one to practice Christianity) the entire human race is a product of incest and I this is the reason I see no problem with it.
Now people are concerned about child deformities and I'll be one to tell you that webbed toes are the only defect, unless the child bearer is practicing heavy drug and alchohal abuse, hence "white trash".
EmWhyEntertainment 1 year ago
Well its immoral if you make a baby for sure. There are many other people you can do sex with so why a relative? Maybe its not so imimoral as it is unnecessary. I see potential for abuse as many consentual sex acts that appear consentual on the surface are not
squid4947 1 year ago
@squid4947
Good So am I and I wouldnt either. However, the video is asking not whether anyone in particular would do it...some do....the question is...if it is consentual and there is no harm being done,...is it inherently immoral?
djosephallen 1 year ago
I am typing this after mulling this question over for a week after seeing your video. An interesting question to be sure and I have come to a conclusion.
Disconcerting & licentious...yes.
Immoral & unjust...no.
Between two consenting adults, there can be no wrong in the act itself. When it is done with malicious intent, by either gender, then it is no better than any other sexual assault. There are risks to be sure, but when both parties are aware and willing to face them, why is it wrong?
krysala 1 year ago
@krysala
I agree. If there is consent, then there in no immorality. Like you said...is it disturbing? Yes. Disgusting? Yes. Immoral. No.
Thanks for your comment.
djosephallen 1 year ago
i have a mom and sister who are both good looking i love them both very much. I would never do anything sexual with either of them. To me its fucking disgusting i don't understand why some people do it.
I think alot of these comments are probably pedofiles / porn addicts, making up stories to try and get eachother off.
lol
SKshooter 1 year ago
@SKshooter
The issue here is not that you or I or many other find it disgusting....the point of the video is to ask a tough question: If we are talking about 2 constenting adults and there is no harm being done...is it Immoral?
djosephallen 1 year ago
@djosephallen Yes its still wrong, its not normal. I know someone who has been in the porn business for 25 years. They were in the movie taboo 6, and even to them its wrong.
people should not be thrown in jail for it, but consensual or not its still wrong, and will never be accepted.
SKshooter 1 year ago
@SKshooter You're wrong and you're obviously not educated in the matter, the entire human race is a product of incest and if you had sex with a stranger it is litterally the same as having sex with your sister.
EmWhyEntertainment 1 year ago
I think incest should be legal if it is nonprocreative acts like oral sex and sodomy. I also think related couples that are not able to procreate should be able to get married.
mefondlevagina 1 year ago 2
@mefondlevagina
Thanks for your comment.
djosephallen 1 year ago
@mefondlevagina Your argument fails when you are not in favor of a similar ban on people with genetic problems that are more likely to create babies with problems. Also the science behind incest babies is not supportive of greater birth defects unless the inbreeding goes to multiple levels.
the issue really becomes should it be against the law, and if so, it makes the consenting argument problematic.
DanielManahan 1 year ago
My half-sister and I are incest and she is pregnant with our baby....I'm very happy and we treat eachother amazing. We are both consenting and if you would argue that the baby could potentially have problems and use that as a basis of why it immoral than it is also immoral to have a child with a sickle-cell anemia trait or a depressive trait or any genetic trait for that matter. If this is not immoral than why is incest?
duckknuckler 2 years ago
Thanks for illustrating my argument. Cheers.
djosephallen 2 years ago
@djosephallen my daughter was born 06/30/10....and guess wat....no defects...
duckknuckler 1 year ago
@duckknuckler I agree with you 100% about incest,and to tell you the truth I don't think people should say that people who do incest that their children will be all fucked up,because you also have people who don't do incest,and their children are fucked up.I support incest 100%
Gothicmonarchist 1 year ago
if incest under those circumstances is immoral, then sex is immoral.
nuff said
sum1unxpected 2 years ago
Simply put, this means that if the two people participating in the incest are healthy, they will produce even more healthy offspring. If they are unhealthy, they'll produce even more unhealthy offspring. Considering this is probably the primary factor that is used by those condemning the act of incest, I'd say those doing so need to educate themselves and revisit the issue. In answer to the question, NO, there is NEVER anything immoral about two adults engaging in consentual sex.
hotnuke 2 years ago
First, before I get into the question, the idea that Incest will automatically lead to birth defects in offspring is a MYTH. Incest doesn't directly lead to congenital birth defects; it leads to an increase in the frequency of homozygotes. An increase in homozygotes has diverging effects. A homozygote encoding a congenital birth defect will produce children with birth defects, but homozygotes that do not encode for congenital birth defects will decrease the number of carriers in a population.
hotnuke 2 years ago
The problem is although it may not start out as an immoral act it's hard to keep sex and emotions seperate.
If either the brother or sister develops an emotional attachment and the other does not at some time in the future somebody will get hurt.
justintempler 3 years ago
BTW i got you blocked by inmedham
40rever 3 years ago
Genetic Diversity is absolutely crucial to the survival of a species.
Its only "damaging" if one has some irrational, emotional, attachment to their current form.
Charingtonavenger 3 years ago
Outbreeding is Mankinds collective response to the changing climate of our planet.
Not only is it healthy for our species but Id say its absolutely vital to reshuffle the genetic deck every 10,000 years or so.
Charingtonavenger 3 years ago
SidewinderAnarchist (11 minutes ago)
"I glorify easting celery."
OMG! Id like to see you out in the woods deer hunting. I bet you'd break out if you saw a hunter shoot a deer. Go watch bambi peon.
PaxSaxonica 3 years ago
Good! Then you can glorify your Korean cum as well for all a care you anti anaryist leftest genetic wast. Its a shame that my great Japanese aryan comrades where not allowed to finish off those faggot Chinese and Korean goncks in world war 2. Best wishes that Japan gets back its Asiatic Empire as soon as possible.
PaxSaxonica 3 years ago
Not only is incest not moral and un aryan european. It weakens genes. Both offspring share there Father's Y-chromenozes, and Mother's microcondrial DNA. It simply does not make good strong offspring. Its probealy even worse then race mixing to some degree. It also weakens spiritual karma.
PaxSaxonica 3 years ago
Mr Paxsaxonica....
Im here on youtube to share opinions and hear from peoples points of view.However I will not allow my channel to be a platform for bigots and racists. And you sir, are one. All your comments contain some sort of ignorant and racist assertion.About jews(by the way Im of jewish descent just so you know)koreans,and others.
Blocked.
djosephallen 3 years ago
And I am damn fucking proud of what you call me! I believe the different races once seperated can live in peace but I am totally against Jews.
"About jews(by the way Im of jewish descent just so you know)koreans,and others."
Then understand that I do not give you a fuck! I hate all Jews and that includes you! I am opening up 70 accounts with defferent EMails and with them each all your and your subs and friends videos will be repeadtly flagged and DCMA'd. FUCK JEWS!!!!!!!!!!!
PaxGermanica 3 years ago
I do believe that Social Darwinism does have some basies in fact. I think most human evolution accored in Asia not Africa. Multi Regional theory is a good one. However Atheism is a total lie. I support all monarchs and religions as divinaly legitiment. To say there is not higher God Gods or speritual force is just apsurd. It cant be proven or disproven. Atheism and Nihilism are Jewish Freemason and NOT Aryan inventions!
PaxSaxonica 3 years ago
SidewinderAntiChrist
Do explain how you could demonize race mixing but glorify incest. As always you leave the crowed stuned.
PaxSaxonica 3 years ago
Atheism is a complete lie. There is no such thing as evolution. Aryan or Europeans did not come from Apes in Africa. Simple as that. Please present evidence to suggest evolution as FACT! Until thin this is just a theory and nothing more.
PaxSaxonica 3 years ago
I sum up my case in this good one. /watch?v=f1dh0b84caE
PaxSaxonica 3 years ago
Just pretend I was not here. Gay merrige, incest, and race mixing are not what true Toutonic Nordics or Aryans do. You peons can do this all you wont in Isreal or so plance like that. But not In Europe or the U.S.A.. Get the fuck out!
PaxSaxonica 3 years ago
A study showed that people who had children with their cousin didn't have higher rates of defects but even if they did it should not be illegal to bread with whom ever you want. Lots of people know they have increased risk of passing on genes that could cause birth defects and they have children anyway. People should asses the risk and do what they want.
Transitiving 3 years ago
anyhow why don't you make a video clarifying what you meant by that. LOOK sicko economy is different to biology!!!!! different rules apply to different things. what's bad in economy is not always so for biology. BTW "then not breeding is even worse because it "kills" the child" what a stupid comment yet again. if you don't breed there is no life if there is no life you can't kill one. get it dumb ass? it's a logical fallacy.
40rever 3 years ago 4
BTW i won't go away i have the wright to express myself as i want. don't oppress me!!! don't put a gun at my head and force me to go away : ~)
40rever 3 years ago 2
"you are too stupid to understand it. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's wrong." are we talking about the same guy who bends over for an Asian and tell others not to race mix? wow what a great philosophy
40rever 3 years ago 2
"inbreeding allows you to pass on more of your genes" to do so gives you less immunity to disease. nothing you say is supported by medical practitioner.
40rever 3 years ago 2
what the fuck dose ice cream have to do with anything. if this is supposed to be a metaphors it don't apply make no sens. it's a totally a different subject
40rever 3 years ago
Ok, let me rephrase. If it hurts those closest to you and if it is going to hurt those who will be closer to you (your children due to incest will not have a good social life) then yes it is immoral.
Liberalfunguy 3 years ago
let me add, "willingly hurt someone close to you"
Liberalfunguy 3 years ago
read commnet
40rever 3 years ago 2
BTW other then the undeniable fact that inbreeding causes negative genetic mutation there is also the danger of the same gen passed around in a given community make the the community susceptible to disease due the lack of genetic verity. i've see a documentary supporting my point I'll post the link when i find it. BTW middle eastern country's that practice such a thing do so for religious reason (to keep the religion going) i'm not going to explain that it's a long new subject
40rever 3 years ago
Incest is immoral because other people (possibly within the family) will get hurt by the act.
If a guy wants to fuck his sister but the sister does not want to get fucked, it is immoral because you are violating her against her rights.
Also if the brother and sister want to fuck each other and the parents get hurt, you are violating their rights.
like i said, people in the middle east have islam so if the parents or any other person gets hurt into the act,
Liberalfunguy 3 years ago
they can always go to the scriptures and find something that makes it moral.
Liberalfunguy 3 years ago
1. We are not talking about racemixing, we are talking about incest.
2. You said it yourself that there are different kinds of WN. There are KKK WN, NAZI WN, Redneck WN, Skinhead WN, etc. I was talking about rednecks.
3. The middle east is majority muslim so I am pretty sure it is somewhere in Sharia Law that fucking your cousin is alright. But just because it is practised somewhere else does not make it moral.
Liberalfunguy 3 years ago
So Stodles if you want to fuck your sister (if you have a sister), that is what you believe in but that does not mean it is moral.
Would you call Cannibalism moral???
Liberalfunguy 3 years ago
I dont care about "preferences".
Anyone who doesn't think it is immoral needs to have a stone tied around his neck and thrown into a deep deep river.
What sort of sick human being would want to fuck his own sister. I would only expect that from rednecks. Anyone who doesn't think it is immoral is a sick redneck White Nationalist.
SICK SICK SICK
Liberalfunguy 3 years ago
@stodles
you sick fuck!! you tried to speak out against interracial with the justification of DNA and yet you have no problem with incest and the genetic danger it have. all i can say is sicko sicko sicko
40rever 3 years ago
lmao
Liberalfunguy 3 years ago
I don't even see why criteria A & C must be met to be honest. The reaction people have is a mechanism for not producing offspring with handicaps from what I can tell.
Harpakhrad11 3 years ago
I don't know if I see it as immoral. If I were to try to make a case, I would say that if they did engage in it, then they should not reproduce. Have sex all they want, but when 2 people share 50% of their DNA there is a higher probability that some negative recessive traits will be expressed. That becomes their child's problem and goes beyond just the two of them. That's all I can think of with regards to their being anything wrong with it. They could adopt or borrow some sperm.
riversonthemoon 3 years ago
Of course its not immoral. If it is consensual no one is harmed by it. Only actions which harm others could possibly be immoral.
JustPlaneNuts 3 years ago 8
Of course it is not immoral. The person who sent you the PM is correct. Maybe it's disgusting to us, to this society, to people living in this culture, but if it is between two adults and truly consensual, I say it's a-ok. I really think it is that simple.
BadYahweh 3 years ago 2
Well ... I think being human is much more complicated than that. Wouldn't those parameters allow for the justification of many questionable behaviors? I really think that the place to start is with the animal kingdom. If it's common there, than we can be certain that the process of evolution hasn't embedded an instinctual aversion to it, and therefore, our taboo is completely arbitrary or constructed. That's my thinking, anyway.
Arondeus 3 years ago
(part one) Simply for having the cojones to introduce this topic for debate, I gave you 5 stars! : ) But, the video also sets just the right tone to invite the audience to actually stop and think about it. I think it's the music and your subdued voice. ; ) In any case, you got me to think about it long enough for the initial gut reaction to pass ... and now I'm curious about a few things. Societal morality aside, because we used to allow 12 year olds to marry, is incest even natural?
Arondeus 3 years ago
(part two) Does incest occur in the animal kingdom? More specifically, do our fellow apes practice incest? Gorillas, chimpanzees, orangutans? I wonder if it occurs in the animal kingdom because as human beings we forget that much of the morality we have developed would make no sense to the less evolved species on our planet. So, I'll have to do some research and watch a few documentaries this weekend before I can even BEGIN to answer this question. Thanks for the mental exercise!! Bravo!
Arondeus 3 years ago
Thanks aarondeus...I know its a touchy subject.
I think your approach is an interesting one.
Good luck in the documentary hunt....interested to see what you come up with.
djosephallen 3 years ago
Very good vid, the term "moral" is hard to actully pinpoint, but, one would also say morallity comes from the society you live in's standards, and seeing as it is looked down upon in modern soceities, one could judge it being not moral from that perspective, however, personally, when i think long about it, i honestly dont see any problem with it.
MaMastoast 3 years ago
Sure I understand that viewpoint, indeed, in lots of cases its actually considered a crime, so you can say its illegal....but is it immoral?
There are lots of things we look down upon that might just be taboo, not liked, or seen as not very acceptable in society without actually crossing the line into immorality.
djosephallen 3 years ago
Granted...this might not be one of those cases, as I think this goes a little further than being taboo or being looked down upon.:{
djosephallen 3 years ago
My point exactly, however, i personally don't believe in any kind of absolute morallity, so if a society accepts it, and as you descriped it, doesn't harm anyone, i don't see anything wrong with it, logicly, there is no bad aspects of it, if fx a brother and a sister share a relationship kind of love and do not plan to have children, no harm is done to anyone, therefore it can more or less be boiled down to a taboo, however a very powerful one perhaps. Then again maybe the reason for this
MaMastoast 3 years ago
Banning, is perhaps the same kind of feeling that condemmed homosexuallity in earlier societies, that most people find it uncommon and alien and therefore fear it. Also another aspect is that you'd have to be totally sure that they would not end up having children, which might be a little hard. Just my futher thoughts, i appreciate your ideas
MaMastoast 3 years ago