Gays and transgendered are supposed to stick together and be friends - I cannot stand when gay men and women have predjudice against trans gender people ( except if they are crazy, not really transgender or they are something even transgender people don´t get) but I have found it a bit while reading blogs and stuff even though I know a few transgender people and I get along with them just fine.
Haha I love this video! I'm a transboy and I've lost one or two of my lesbian friends because of coming out as trans. It's ridiculous and I don't get it either?? LGB.... oh yeah T!!!!!!! Hello???
Some transgender people I've come across (particularly those who were biologically male but now are female) tend to think that everyone in the LGB community is out to get them, i.e., some of them are hypersensitive. Being cis, I don't understand a lot about transgender. I just came out of an argument with someone, which was along the lines of transphobia in the media. I wasn't even being judgmental but seemingly we are not allowed to ask questions about what's considered transphobic now.
I was sort of shocked to hear that, I thought there might been some understanding because of dealing with the prejudice people who are homophobic but that can show you that being prejudice/ignorant comes in many different shapes and sizes. They just hadn't educate themselves about anyone is trans* and all. I'm a gay transman and I deal with people saying I should "stay as girl cus it's great" or I'm "exremely rare". I have been called a dyke numerous times too. They don't get it or care.
I include "B" in the drop for the same reason, the lack of education and neglect to care enough to learn. I've been approached by many bisexual men (not all, but a majority) who want to "hook-up" with me because they want to have "gay" sex with me, and when I try to politedly explain that I'm a woman I usually get a reply, "pre-op tranny = gay man," and they completely ignored the fact I'd just told them I'm lesbian.
I also feel that Transgender need to drop LBG from LBGT, yes, that's us dropping them, why I say that? It was transgender people who started the Stonewall Riot, we fought the battle and LBG reaped the rewards, so remember that LBGs and show some respect. The main reason I thing LBG should be dropped is the T has nothing to do with sexual orientation and with it being in the say acronym perpetuates the assumption gender identity is linked to sexual orientation when it isn't.
I believe that there is transphobia within LBG due to a lack of education within the LBG community, most seem to accept us as confused homosexuals, what they fail to realize is if gender identity and sexual orientation were linked as they assume then there would be so such thing as homosexuality. I'm a Male to Female Transsexual lesbian and I know FTMs who are gay men.
Oh, you're talking about the "LG" community. Wonder why you included the "B" in there. If it was "the GAYS the GAYS the GAYS" and "homosexuals" who seem to have a problem with you being trans*, please don't lump the "B" in there with them. Biphobia is just as prevalent as transphobia in the "LG" community. Believe me, we completely understand where you're coming from on this one.
Love your video! As a post op Trans woman I feel the same when I volunteered & worked for a supposedly LGBT organisation (in reality it was a gay & bisexual men's bitching club to attack lesbians & trans people) The lack of understanding was shocking, I even got groped in the groin by one of the men at Pride whose comment of "you are very small in the manhood department" was the final straw.
I understand that there is a problem of transphobia in the gay community, but I'm gay, most of my friends are gay and equally I have a large number of trans friends. Please don't tar us all with the same brush. I care deeply about trans issues and am trying to do my part to raise trans awareness.
Best of luck with your transition, I hope you find some gay people who are more accepting than the people you've met.
I've never understood it either. I know lots of gay people who are anti-trans. They will come to terms in time though. Just give them time. Good luck! your my fuckin hero.
This vid is awesome! So true! So unfortunate! Transphobia from the Christian Coalition for moral order family members? Very surprisingly, not quite as much as from the lesbian and gay community!!! WTF!!!
This topic is a beautiful example of how gay people can be just as ignorant as cis/straight people about trans issues. Just because you are gay and have a history of having to defend who you are DOESN'T mean that gay people understand the trans nature. A lot of them think that all trans people are gay people who want "priviledge" or some other stupid reasons. They don't understand the nature of it. They think they are "losing" their gays. HOMOSEXUAL TRANSPHOBIA is the ultimate waste of energy.
I do see where gays are coming from. I don't understand the hate because anyone is entitled to be who they want to be. But gays probably don't feel they will be taken seriously if transgenders are associated with them. Because homosexuality isn't a choice. It is a sexual attraction they are born with and cannot change. Transgender people are people that want to change. Although they have longing to change, they needn't do so. Plus gay is a sexual orientation. Trans is a gender identity switch.
@pspvampire Nobody wants to be trans. Transgenderism is not a choice, just like homosexuality is not one. They are both gestational. Trans people "needn't do so"? ...an "identity SWITCH"? Where did you get the idea that something switches. As far as I know, I have always felt my inner gender to differ from my body's gender. Do gay people "switch" from straight to gay? No. Trans people don't switch from cis to trans or from one gender to another. We change only our bodies to match the heart.
@pspvampire They don't choose to be transgender. They choose to, however, to transition. That's like saying homosexuals don't choose to be gay, but they choose to live that lifestyle.
Hormone therapy would in theory be only effective if given to the developing fetus or maybe a young child; hormones given to adults do cause anatomical changes but these are only a side act to the greater problems they are causing physiologically. Like any large, organic, foreign molecule, androgen hormones in high concentrations are toxic and are treated as a toxin and so the body is forced to metabolize them at cost. Hormonal balance is very delicate and they will upset that.
Transphobic gays/lesbians are just as bad as homophobes. How they don't realize they're huge hypocrites, I will never understand. It's sickening there are gay people out there that claim to want equality and acceptance but then go and put down other people for who they are. Dayumn shame.
As a lesbian i am ashamed that you face this crap after facing everything that you will have faced .I have put ur video on my facebook if that is ok so people can realise how disgusting it really is and that we should be supporting you not being hypocritical .Stay strong and look forward to seeing the young man u were always meant to be stay strong love and respect xxx
2. A good explanation - but definitely not excuse – for the attitudes is found in the 3 articles Transphobia In the Gay Community | The Bilerico Project (this won't let me post links)
Gay men: a 1990’s Australian research report found over 40% of trans folk had faced discrimination from gay men, making gays the most transphobic group in all of society (sorry don’t have a link, only a pdf). I believe, based on first-hand evidence this situation is changing for the better.
I too would break things down rather than generalise: I have found bisexuals to be totally supportive of trans. One bi group defined bi as "attracted to more than one sex/gender” to get beyond the binary and respect trans (and others).
Wow that's really the saddest irony I have ever heard. I'm ftm trans as well, and the worst I've gotten is from my family. I have vast amounts of support in the outside world from all different people, which I would prefer over my family I guess since when I move out it'd be a winning situation. But at the same time, my family is just being horrible to me. I can't even begin to explain. I just want out. So I hear you. Transphobia is the worst.
P.S. I want to add, that I know that there are many WONDERFUL Gay people around, that are truly good persons, so I am NOT talking about gay people as a group, but are only adressing the ones that this topic concerns.
And ofcourse, Gay and Bi(And trans)-people should also have the exact same rights as anyone else.
The discriminators, however, should just be shot or deported to Iran or something, as they are giving a really bad name for other GOOD gay people.
In fact, a transperson will often find Him/Herself to be MORE accepted among heterosexuals than in the Gay Community, and I personally know several transpersons that have faced such discrimination from Gay people, that they refuse to have anything to do with any other groups than heterosexuals.
It does not matter a fluff how these gays want to defend this behaviour- fact is they need to stop being such hippocrits and demand acceptance if they are not willing to give any themselves.
This is something that is a truly important issue that needs to be brought up, and I can GUARANTEE, that many of the most nasty trans-haters, are actually found in the Gay-community. What a paradox, huh? I mean, haven't they learned anything about acceptance and discrimination at all?
Apparently not. One of the classics are; "A guy should be a guy and a girl a girl!".
Really? According to that reason, perhaps they should not even have sex with their own gender, then.
@Swagitout1 Trans people are not "once gay, then decided to be trans." They are ALWAYS trans since birth, just like you have always been gay. Trans issues involve the physical body...as in BODY PARTS. not inner sexuality. How can you tell someone else to be something their not? Haven't you cringed when people told you to be straight? You are beyond idiotic, poor sad fellow youtube colleague. Words fail to describe your hypocrisy. Also, periods are the little dots that go at the end of sentences.
Yeah, if your gay friends were giving you flack for transitioning thats bizarre and pretty crappy behavior. However at the same time, they might legitimately have been concerned for your health etc. and just not had a lot of tact when discussing their honest concerns with you.
This is an awesome video Jamie, I know what you mean about the reaction from gay friends... thanks for the response to End Transphobia in the LGB and Beyond.. keep on rockin man :)
sorry screeth but you are not a man. You already have the basic rights we all share. Just because you do not want to marry a man does not mean you don't have the same rights it just means you CHOOSE not to take advantage of the rights already given to you. Can you marry your sister, Cousin, aunt, Uncle, NO you can't but you want me to believe that those people who decide to do that are all of a sudden without basic human rights??? And disfiguring your body used to put you in a pysch ward.
Jamie, Problem No. 1 is that you're an adorable butch :-) Hate to lose ya. I would like to point out, however, that there are cases of FTM's who have had real regrets after the fact. I would tend to hold inadequate counseling responsible. If you know what you're doing, know yourself to be a man in a woman's body -- by all means go for it and be happy.
@JudithStone The regrets are from several factors including social exclusion, lower chances of finding relationships, side effects if they are on T, etc. They weren't emotionally ready and shouldn't have progressed.
Yes, Jaime. I, Ana Paulina Moreno, want to date you. (; Awesome video. You are an amazing person inside and out. It's people like you, who make me feel proud to be lesbian. Thank you. (:
As my fellow trans friend says The T is always silent. It is sad that the gays are phobic, since some of us were part of the community prior to starting transitioning
The only explination I can think of is that they think its selling out, that you are trying to become hetrosexual by changing your gender and "fit in" with "normal" society. I sort of blow that theory out of the water being a MTF that is only attracted to women and have become a woman so I can be a lesbian, but then I get the " your just a man with a lesbian fetish" form my fellow lesbians, you can't seem to win.
@Fireflygamer I agree with this being the most likely reason, matched with the fact that a lot of lesbians have probably been accused of or thought to be trans, and it's fostered feelings of hostility. When I was identifying as lesbian and coming out to people as such, certain people did ask me if I wasn't just "one of those people that was supposed to be born with the other parts." O___O The people in question weren't asking me this because they knew me well enough to suspect that I was trans.
@SailorAlex3 Its funny you say that because people seem to be able to deal with the idea of being born in the wrong body easily. Most of the questions i get are on the details of how i changed my body. It seems the idea homosexuality is harder to grasp so its easier for them to think that the cuase of your lesbianism is because you were meant to be a boy, but they have no idea what it means to be trans and why people transition in the first place. big pile ignorance.
@Fireflygamer So you change your body to be more feminine and look like a woman to only go after what you already by nature should be attracted to. And you want to say people are crazy for thinking that you are? You have a mental issue and that is your choice but please don't argue that you don't have issues. cutting off your penis used to get you thrown in the mental ward. Now it seems like it is the next hot fashion choice. What next people having sex with animals. Uh Oh too late
@RedFalcon812 The fact that you think I chose to change my body to be female so I could have sex with other females or that what I have done is cutting off my penis or that its some sort of fad or fashion choice just exposes your ignorance. For your education I was born with a female brain and a male body, since I can not change my brain I had to change my body to make it fit. the fact that I like nipples and clits instead of dick is besides the point. Educate yourself you ignorant fuck
i know,i know... i've been there,fuck! My friends don't understand that i want to remove my breasts.They're like "why don't you learn to love yourself".They so don't get it!
I totally agree,the prejudice against us trans,even against those adapted into homosexuality (thus looking soft gay men and butch lesbians,though not all of these are trans) is huge amongst gay /lesbian and bis !
One thing about the "LGBT" umbrella term is that it hasn't ever been unanimously accepted.
First, it was just "the gay community"
Then (begrudgingly by some) it became "gay and lesbian community." (It wasn't necessarily one community. "Communities" would be better.) I think some gay men have resented the "watering down" of just palin'ol "gay community". Adding the "B" was a huge deal in l994 where I lived. And the "T" wasn't even on the table for discussion (This was in Ottawa Canada).
Crazy that you get so much flack from the gay community in particular.
Isn't coming out about embracing and celebrating the person that you are inside? It's sad that when you shared your true self, that they would respond with hate and derision.
It's hard to figure out why they would act in such a way. Maybe it's just a case of people regurgitating all the hateful and ignorant attitudes that they dealt when they came out themselves? Not an excuse, though.
I went through the same thing on coming out. I am an MTF and got it far more from gay males in the being and slowly got it from other lesbians. Came out double and got flack for sating other lesbians. "Oh your not really female till surgery" and all that jazz. While others fully accepted it and have no issue with it. I find it ironic that other lesbians are so upset about my need to be who I am. I don't want my junk on me as much as they do! Dude I feel you but you will weed out the bad ones.
its ur life u should be able to choose what u want to do ... and if people judge u for that fuck them .. people need to look at the good in peoples heart not on what they look like who they love or what they want to become .... more props to u bro .. good luck i hope everything works out well for u and u have a smooth and steady transition .. i am a lesbian dike that only whats equal rights for all... keep ur head up ur better then all the haters
You nailed it with this one! I get a lot of comments/stank looks from lesbians mostly. I am 5 years into transition and if I walk into a a gay bar the women there (not all but a good deal of them) give me dirty looks or make negative comments.
Sooo i completely agree with you on transphoia and how the gays don't accept it and i dont get it, just like i dont get when lesbian's don't think bisexuals are real either.... but this is a great movie! and dont worry i'll date you so you wont be alone! haha :D
I will say this:I identified as lesbian for many years and never knew the realities of what trans was. Not that I was rude or incorrect about it, I just simply didn't know.I only learned about it when I realized I WAS a transguy. That's the scary part, that only those who are trans will ever fully understand it. Sure, there are lots of awesome straight/gay allies, but most gays don't think it's legit. they don't want to admit that it's separate from sexual preference. we gotta change that.
The truth is that you're way cooler than any gay transphob. The truth is that there is a heap of people, gay or straight, who would date you. I stress over "who will love me" and "who will be my friend" after I transition, but here's a saying I made up..."Do what you love and the money will come; become what you are and the love will come."
As a gay man I am appaled and ashamed of transphobia's existence. The points in this video are spot on. Gay people are fighting for acceptance. We fight to show that we are just like everyone else. This is the exact same situation for trans. How can gay people fight for acceptance, when there are gay people who don't accept other's for their differences. We fight for the same thing! Equality and acceptance. Frankly, I find gay transphobia to be hypocrtical and down right disgusting.
Gays and lesbo's tend to be arrogant and cliquish. I am MTF TS and honestly I could not care less about some GLBT "community".
The only people you should be concerned with are your family and straight friends. After all, are you wanting to be stuck in some GLBT "community" or are you wanting to assimilate into the rest of society?
@Lesrevesdhiver I'm a FTM TS and I totally agree with this. With every passing day I feel myself moving further and further away from the "GLBT community", not that I ever felt like I was a part of it anyway...
I think phobia's like this (homophobia, transphobia etc) don't exist. I think it's just there to justify ignorant people who can't accept differences..I'm gay and I see nothing wrong with people who transition.
I remember learning about biphobia when I first became politically active. One queer theorist told me "Bisexuality is theoretically impossible." If so, it sounds like it's time for a new theory.
I think your so wrong and this video makes you look anti-gay.
I'm a transguy myself and it's always great that people accept you for the person you are but i can understand that for some people transsexuality is difficult to understand.
There are a lot of gays as well as straights who accept it.
@5vvnm well, that would be because the gay people Jamie knows don't accept it. duh. It doesn't matter to him whether or not YOUR gay friends accepted YOU, or whether or not there are accepting people OUT THERE SOMEWHERE.
Anywho! My boyfriend is going through the same thing. That's actually why him and his ex broke up. She's gay and freaked out about him being trans. Love isn't about the body or gender. It's who the person is. He's lost a few of his friends because of it as well. It's a terrible thing.
I know that's RIGHT! This is nothing new. ALOT of glb, (not all) have become shady toward trans people, little do they realize that if it weren't for the trans community, there would be no STONEWALL. That means trans folk initiated rights for EVERYBODY in the lgb, and, last but not least T.
I am not even sure how to respond without the risk of getting verbally crucified. Hey transgenders, you have my support. It confuses me but I will give my full support.
Like you have never experienced hate. You sound like a well misinformed straight redneck. If you have to hate Why don't you throw your hate back at the people who actually hate on you instead?
If by not one of us you mean LGBT, uh I think you'll find T is in there, as pointed out. If anything, you're less "one of us" since you seem to hate evry other letter in the acronym apart from G.
None of the gay men and lesbians I actually know have an issue with trans people. I've only found this transphobia from gays online, which I think can be explained by the fact that they're a bunch of miserable self-loathing people who feel the need to post their shitty views on the internet since they're not content in real life. Pay them no mind, they're just not worth it :)
Dude that's exactly why I never hung out with LGBT people. I have gay friends, but they don't hang out with that crowd, and they've been the ones that accepted me the fastest. Oh yah, & try avoiding gay women, they're a pain in the ass LOL!
It's very hard for people to understand that a man can be stuck in a female body. I have seen Transgender people get made fun of for this and I'll admit that I've made my share of nudges and mistakes. However, I've learned from those mistakes and I understand who transgender people are now. But, that doesn't mean that other people don't understand. Like, trying to explain that there is a difference between a drag queen and a transgender man. So, I understand and see what you are going threw.
as a lesbian in the LGBT... I fully support transgender people. I agree with you asking, "Why would outcasts want to make others feel like outcasts" when they obviously know how awful it feels. Don't understand it... stay strong!
Wow. Ok who would have thought that gays would be the first people we would have to tell that it's not a choice. Even after they have preached that phrase a thousand times they go and disregard us as freaks, and then tell us that what we're doing suddenly qualifies as a choice. Ignorant hypocrites, I just lost all respect for them. Except for the ones that know being trans isn't a choice, they're still awesome.
I have noticed this quite a lot from the LGB, no wonder a lot of trans want to separate from them. I don't get it; discrimination doesn't solve discrimination.
It is sad how some of the queer community seems to have prejudice and ignorance around this. I've been transitioning for almost 7 years now and the majority of ignorance I've come across is in the LGB part of the community.
well i have always wanted to be a girl and stuff since i was seven but like when i finally came out was when i was 12 and yeah i have told a lot of my gay friends and they totally hated the iddea i wanted to be a girl and they said i was ashamed of being gay and that 2 years from now im goin to regret it and i wont regret anything but the lesbian community are all kewl with me... i am welcome amongst the trans community mtf and ftm seems like we all can relate somehow ... xoxo
LOL," yea, that's right , you butch lesbian, i am injecting myself with man juice just to piss you off" i had to rewatch that ssoooo many times!!! I have also noticed that I have had the MOST transphobia with the gays as well... mostly the lesbians... thanks for making this video!
haha omg bro i was laughin my ass off cuz ive been there too! whats up with the gays??? haha plus your pretty damn cute....and no im not a butch lesbian! ha thanks for the laugh bro
actually im in ur sitatuion but mine is the other way im male to female transgender and uhh yea a lot of the gay community hates me too but it seems lesbians are ok wit it and some of my friends do but it seems like girls ok with it but to the gay men community , mmm no!! lol
they are not ok with it ...
but hang in there things will work out smoothly in the end...
@bresacay that's interesting! of the gay community, the lesbians have been WORSE for me than the gay men! perhaps it's somewhat related to some unspoken adherence to a version of gender norms unique to the gay community...
To me it always seems that groups of people who are used to being judged, discriminated against, or who deal with flack on a regular basis for being themselves are very quick to turn the page on others. I think it maybe because people think "This is the way it is, people are harsh" so they don't think twice doing it themselves.
I think the reason why there are so many trans-phobic gays is the same reason someone would likely be accused of gay bashing if they ever gave a comprehensive breakdown of why there are so many trans-phobic gays.
we're sorry, we don't mean to be transphobic we just think you're really hot as a girl :P Seriously that is why we lesbians might give off that vibe, its cuz pre-trans guys are usually the hottest of all lesbians, and then there are some really unnatractive lesbians who want to stay girls and it's like aww man. Give your gay friends some time, seriously they won't be like that for long, they're just mourning over the loss of a pair of boobs to stare at, I am sure they will get over it. :)
@Zarfoxity bbhbhahbhhabhahhahaaha hilarious! no, honestly, though-- this is tremendously hypocritical for me to say-- but the mere thought of some of my really hot currently queer-identified, female-bodied lesbian friends going through transition makes me so sad. i love the female body and the idea of someone changing that just puts a knot in my stomach. odd, i know, since technically that's what i'm doing to my own body, but i've never thought of it as a female body...just...wrong...
@sneetchinflux I'm too tired to work out if this reply is positive or negative atm, but I was just trying to give you an insight since you repeatedly asked "Why gays?" throughout your vid. It's seriously not a lingering thought, it's an initial response, it's not their body it's yours, they will realise that seriously. I'm sorry if you took my comment negatively, I just think you should give your friends a chance who knows they might have even considered tranisitioning themselves.
I'm a trans guy, and I'm into men :P Hell, I threw myself out of the ice bucket and into the volcano with that one, and I STILL get shit for it! I don't understand that especially? Mostly I just get 'faghag' which REALLY offends me.
I'm not a chick, and if gay guys are put off by me, I say it's just because I'm too much of a man for them to deal with! :P
Humanity just likes destroying each other it seems.
I guess what a lot of L, G, and B people might be somehow thinking that you're trying to avoid the discrimination the rest of us are going through (somehow...?) by not being seen walking down the street with someone of the same gender. I dunno, people are dumb.
Personally, I'm a lesbo, my best friend is a ftm tranny, and we're the bottom of the social chain, but we're happy there :P
@ShayloCray makes a lot of sense, actually... in a few weeks, i'll be able to "hide" my queerness in a way i've NEVER experienced throughout my life. this is something i had no hope of as a lesbian-identified person, so it does seem logical, i suppose, that other lesbians unhappy with their forced social outcasting might envy (to the point of hating) my newfound..freedom..for lack of better words.
I love your video! It is very true that some LGB people aren't understanding of transgender people. I'm apart of the LGBT club at my school, but I'm the only one who is considered to be part of the T, but they still say "dyke" or call me a "butch". I think educating the community is a big part and getting them to understand what transgender people go through. Some of my straight friends are iffy, some were confused but were willing to learn by asking what I deal with and it definitely helped
I think there are some unfair implications in this, the majority of LGB folk are much more understanding than your average "Christian". But it will differ from community to community. The worst offenders are the Lesbian Seperatists who are some of the most hideous people I've run across and sound like fundamentalists themselves.
@TheSmallBombs I've never heard them referred to as "Lesbian Separatists" but I love that term and couldn't agree more with your description of them.
I admit, this was a bit extreme, but there is a youtuber whose name I always forget-- dirtywhiteboi (or something like that) who'd been instigating a lot of unease in my specific yt ftm community, so in attempt to sum up everyone's shared frustration, I made this video.
And tho you're right that the LGB is usually drastically more accepting -->
@TheSmallBombs --> than the Christian-identified community, the point remains: Transphobia's existence among l, g, and b-identified people to a greater degree than it seems (in my experience thus far) to exist in Christian-identified people is absurd and beyond counterintuitive.
I can't say too much because I don't know alot about trans. However I do see this as a real problem, part of the reason I've separated myself from the LGB mainstream notice I didn't include T why because I've yet to have a trans person criticize me for being me, but I have seen the LGB community criticize the T part of OUR community LGBT. Very nice video now to figure out how to share it with my viewers.
As a gay man I have struggled with my own transphobia. I found that, for me, it was rooted in how hard it was for people to see me as fully "male". Many people wanted to put me in a "practically female" box because I was attracted to men and I responded by becoming very adverse to nongender conforming behavior.
I've gotten older and now better understand that that response is only another way of putting people into boxes.
It could be a lack of understanding, I know I didn't get it at first when my friend told me her brother (who I once made out with) identified as a lesbian. But after talking to her and other m > f people in my LGBT community I was able to understand and be supportive.
But along the same lines, when I started to accept myself and come out as a bi woman, who has only ever dated men, my queer roomie denied that I was "truly bi" cuz I had never been in a "meaningful" relationship with a woman. WTF??
As a member of the B, I totally understand the 'tude that you get from the L and G. I think the reason why B's and T's can understand each other so much is b/c we both live in the gray. For L, G, and straights, it's one way or another....black or white...gay or straight...male or female...which I find funny since so many L and G's teeter the line between masculine and feminine. You would think they would be a fan of gender non-conformity
i extremely love your humor Jamie, & i love how you tell it like it is. Not alot of people out in the world would do that. & btw Congras on coming out Hun. rock on. My gf is in the process of getting started with the trans. & ive accepted her from the start .No matter what sex she is, i have and always will see her as an amazing person. Our va-jj or rods arent what makes us the ppl we are , its our personality that does & how we treat others.& it shows u have a great personality . Rock on
@MsRedStiXx Your Va-jj or rods does not define you it tells us what you are.. Does having the human body make you human? That is why this argument loses as it does not make sense. There are tons of guys who don't act very manly but they are men nevertheless men. But you want to make it that because you act feminine you must be a girl. How can you be born in the wrong body?? You were born with a va-jj or a penis. You can ACT how you want but you are still a boy or a girl
@RedFalcon812 actually ur va-jj or rod is just a part of U it doesnt define who U are. from the sounds of it U lack the education of reality & how things really are. why? Bc ur still stuck in the stone ages where everyone believe men should be with women and live happily ever after.. In all fairness FTM's are reborn Men(women who should of been born a man) as well as MTF are women .
As an activist in the community for 14 years and a videographer myself, I have to say this is very well done and to the point. You sisters also have problem as well. I was even asked by a lesbian once that if I'm transitioning to female, does that me I want to be with men. I couldn't believe she ask me that. Check out my videos. Monica Helms
Wow, since accepting that I'm gay and atheist (from growing up very homophobic and religious), I've tried to understand those who are different from me (shameful more lgb's apparently don't).
I think part of it /is/ that people get confused as in: 'I thought you were hot but you're saying you're not the gender I thought I liked.' or 'do I have to be attracted to you now?' ('queer' is such a nice concept, accept it).
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@BootyMcmuffin fewer than 3% of trans men have any kind of genital surgery, with phalloplasty being the least common. Not all trans identified people feel that genital surgery is necessary for them to complete their transition.
I think that the reason cis gay people feel so threatened by trans people is that their entire identity hinges on the gender binary, and they think that if that system falls, they won't be special or different anymore. Just my thoughts. And transphobia even comes from within trans "communities" sometimes. I knew a trans woman who spread rumors that a couple other trans women were "cis gay men in disguise appropriating womens identities to justify their violent ideologies"
i cant stand lgb people who hate transgender people. how is anyone going to except us all together if we're hating on each other. rediculous. fail indeed.
Haha, yeah, this doesn't even touch on the transphobia and policing by other transpeople. I was recently told that I am not genderqueer anymore since I got top surgery.
As a queer transwoman I've been told that "I have internalized homophobia" that "You are asserting your male privlidge to get access to womyn born womyn spaces" "You are a man and because of that you can not be raped and all you do is rape" I will add "michfest". The male gay(I never identified as gay) community has claimed I am a "gender traitor" But yea the worst shit I have ever experienced was from liberal feminists who avoid logic in discussion.
@feiplum Indeed,the sheer truth, most gay and lesbians criticize us for being who we are and assume we should all be like them.Fortunately,at least some amongst them accept us as we are ,instead of trying to push their way down our throats !
as a lesbian myself i know all about transphobia, i was same way. I thought they made us look bad and i didnt get why they were in our community, since not all trans people are gay... but it was just my own ignorance. I hadnt known/been around a lot of trans people. After i got to know some my whole view changed! And dont worry about finding partners, plenty of women love transguys ;)
One of the major reasons I find is that GL and sometimes B people often base their difference ie sexual orientation on certain very binary concepts of gender. Trans people for them break that understanding of male and female and irrationally they feel they gender and sexuality are under threat as a result. I frankly have seen similar behaviour mostly from straight cis men.
If i were you i wouldn't get it either... gay people giving problems to transgender?
WHAT????? nobody should be treated differently just because they want to change
something about themselves... i love all people (not bad pppl) i don't care if they are gay, straight, trans... amen to the outcast island, dont bully Jaime..not cool.. doesnt make you cool, trans isnt my thing id go thro but im lesbian and i support any gay/trans related things 100%.... love your vids hun
Hi Sneetchinflux. Thanx for your video, for pointing out something I wouldn't have expected. Yet I am not very surprised, generally people are stuffed with prejudice (now, isn't THAT a biased opinion?). It takes courage to recognize it and deal with it. When you are on the receiving end of prejudice, it might even be tougher to recognize your own prejudice. Persecution doesn't make saints (a persecuted asshole still is an asshole). Those who rise to the opportunity would have been saints anyway.
@Drontenpeel Reading my comment I am annoyed by my own cynicism. I reacted the easy way. People primarily seem to react in that way, I’m no better. It's hard to accept that it's impossible to judge anything based on a limited personal view. The urge to judge instead of accepting generates paranoia and fear. Being drawn into a paradigm like that, because you are constantly judged by others, smothers the knowledge of the heart. Sounds silly, but I think fundamental.
Ok not very thought out but my idea is that know when transition that you will no longer be "gay" per-sea but a straight man/woman and in there minds think they will be losing a member of the lgbt community and then there minds continue from that.... but anyways fuck em and fuck what they think.
I don't harbor any frustration towards the transgender world. Just the straight assholes. I was simply speaking from a point of view, trying to offer an opinion as to why SOME ppl may react the way they are. As I mentioned, I have several friends who are transitioning, one of which I used to date before the transition. It doesn't bother me. More power to you, to reach out and accomplish your goals. I wish you all good luck in your journey to self happiness.
That is the most awesome video ever. Wanna trade bodies? MTF from Michigan, I've seen the same crap up here from gays but it's from everyone else too. Nothing beats being rejected and shunned by all of society but especially by your comrades. Yeah I'm lesbian too, pre-op.
While I'd like to sympathize MORE with Janie's situation; acknowledging that
(s)he has a real point; the problem is that it IS the lesbians who have the biggest problem with this. Refugees from the patriarchy, we, transwomen, are pretty much vilified by the masses. Especially most lesbians.
So I wonder.........did Jamie have this same enlightened point-of-view before
(s)he came to the stunning realization that (s)he was a transman trapped in a lesbian's body?
I have never been able to describe this as well as you did in this video! It was so spot on. Granted I've gotten a little more support from the LGB community than my family myself, but I've been stunned at some of the reactions I've gotten from the LGB community. Even the LGBT centers and the way the staff treats us. It's so disheartening. :(
So, I begin to wonder whether it's something really primeval in people that we're running up against - some sort of really basic, intrinsic button that we push in some folks. Some lizard-brain, reaction that needs to know the gender of the other lizard that just walked up to the watering hole - can I mate with it? should I fight it? I can't tell!! ALARM ALARM!!!
Is this any excuse? of course not. folks make up all sorts of "rational" reasons why we upset them. good job
Gays and transgendered are supposed to stick together and be friends - I cannot stand when gay men and women have predjudice against trans gender people ( except if they are crazy, not really transgender or they are something even transgender people don´t get) but I have found it a bit while reading blogs and stuff even though I know a few transgender people and I get along with them just fine.
Starkardur 12 hours ago
Haha I love this video! I'm a transboy and I've lost one or two of my lesbian friends because of coming out as trans. It's ridiculous and I don't get it either?? LGB.... oh yeah T!!!!!!! Hello???
hailihinderer 3 days ago
Some transgender people I've come across (particularly those who were biologically male but now are female) tend to think that everyone in the LGB community is out to get them, i.e., some of them are hypersensitive. Being cis, I don't understand a lot about transgender. I just came out of an argument with someone, which was along the lines of transphobia in the media. I wasn't even being judgmental but seemingly we are not allowed to ask questions about what's considered transphobic now.
PacifistPigeon 1 week ago
I was sort of shocked to hear that, I thought there might been some understanding because of dealing with the prejudice people who are homophobic but that can show you that being prejudice/ignorant comes in many different shapes and sizes. They just hadn't educate themselves about anyone is trans* and all. I'm a gay transman and I deal with people saying I should "stay as girl cus it's great" or I'm "exremely rare". I have been called a dyke numerous times too. They don't get it or care.
Isaacthekid 1 week ago
I include "B" in the drop for the same reason, the lack of education and neglect to care enough to learn. I've been approached by many bisexual men (not all, but a majority) who want to "hook-up" with me because they want to have "gay" sex with me, and when I try to politedly explain that I'm a woman I usually get a reply, "pre-op tranny = gay man," and they completely ignored the fact I'd just told them I'm lesbian.
dsquaredproductions 1 month ago 3
I also feel that Transgender need to drop LBG from LBGT, yes, that's us dropping them, why I say that? It was transgender people who started the Stonewall Riot, we fought the battle and LBG reaped the rewards, so remember that LBGs and show some respect. The main reason I thing LBG should be dropped is the T has nothing to do with sexual orientation and with it being in the say acronym perpetuates the assumption gender identity is linked to sexual orientation when it isn't.
dsquaredproductions 1 month ago
I believe that there is transphobia within LBG due to a lack of education within the LBG community, most seem to accept us as confused homosexuals, what they fail to realize is if gender identity and sexual orientation were linked as they assume then there would be so such thing as homosexuality. I'm a Male to Female Transsexual lesbian and I know FTMs who are gay men.
dsquaredproductions 1 month ago
Oh, you're talking about the "LG" community. Wonder why you included the "B" in there. If it was "the GAYS the GAYS the GAYS" and "homosexuals" who seem to have a problem with you being trans*, please don't lump the "B" in there with them. Biphobia is just as prevalent as transphobia in the "LG" community. Believe me, we completely understand where you're coming from on this one.
NimbusDX 1 month ago
Love your video! As a post op Trans woman I feel the same when I volunteered & worked for a supposedly LGBT organisation (in reality it was a gay & bisexual men's bitching club to attack lesbians & trans people) The lack of understanding was shocking, I even got groped in the groin by one of the men at Pride whose comment of "you are very small in the manhood department" was the final straw.
Kerri36982 2 months ago
Win. Absolute epic win.
vaatiofwind12 2 months ago
I understand that there is a problem of transphobia in the gay community, but I'm gay, most of my friends are gay and equally I have a large number of trans friends. Please don't tar us all with the same brush. I care deeply about trans issues and am trying to do my part to raise trans awareness.
Best of luck with your transition, I hope you find some gay people who are more accepting than the people you've met.
ArmourPlatedFilms 3 months ago
I've never understood it either. I know lots of gay people who are anti-trans. They will come to terms in time though. Just give them time. Good luck! your my fuckin hero.
cmwerner100 3 months ago
It's funny that promiscous sex in public toilets is more socially acceptable than wearing a dress or trousers
TransAtheleticFiona 3 months ago
This vid is awesome! So true! So unfortunate! Transphobia from the Christian Coalition for moral order family members? Very surprisingly, not quite as much as from the lesbian and gay community!!! WTF!!!
jeditransguy 4 months ago
i am gay and the `T` is a blessing! <3
crystalpurple 4 months ago
This topic is a beautiful example of how gay people can be just as ignorant as cis/straight people about trans issues. Just because you are gay and have a history of having to defend who you are DOESN'T mean that gay people understand the trans nature. A lot of them think that all trans people are gay people who want "priviledge" or some other stupid reasons. They don't understand the nature of it. They think they are "losing" their gays. HOMOSEXUAL TRANSPHOBIA is the ultimate waste of energy.
Whitedoggy24 4 months ago
I do see where gays are coming from. I don't understand the hate because anyone is entitled to be who they want to be. But gays probably don't feel they will be taken seriously if transgenders are associated with them. Because homosexuality isn't a choice. It is a sexual attraction they are born with and cannot change. Transgender people are people that want to change. Although they have longing to change, they needn't do so. Plus gay is a sexual orientation. Trans is a gender identity switch.
pspvampire 4 months ago
@pspvampire Nobody wants to be trans. Transgenderism is not a choice, just like homosexuality is not one. They are both gestational. Trans people "needn't do so"? ...an "identity SWITCH"? Where did you get the idea that something switches. As far as I know, I have always felt my inner gender to differ from my body's gender. Do gay people "switch" from straight to gay? No. Trans people don't switch from cis to trans or from one gender to another. We change only our bodies to match the heart.
Whitedoggy24 4 months ago
@pspvampire They don't choose to be transgender. They choose to, however, to transition. That's like saying homosexuals don't choose to be gay, but they choose to live that lifestyle.
jcac1023 4 months ago
ftm are sexy!
babydyke4u 4 months ago
@babydyke4u Nobody wants to be fetishised by you, kthx
DoctorRainbow8321 4 months ago
Hormone therapy would in theory be only effective if given to the developing fetus or maybe a young child; hormones given to adults do cause anatomical changes but these are only a side act to the greater problems they are causing physiologically. Like any large, organic, foreign molecule, androgen hormones in high concentrations are toxic and are treated as a toxin and so the body is forced to metabolize them at cost. Hormonal balance is very delicate and they will upset that.
CO2umbrella 4 months ago
@CO2umbrella hmmm, that's some quackin' "information" to swallow. Exactly where do you get this information from?
Whitedoggy24 4 months ago
@Whitedoggy24 School.
CO2umbrella 3 months ago
Transphobic gays/lesbians are just as bad as homophobes. How they don't realize they're huge hypocrites, I will never understand. It's sickening there are gay people out there that claim to want equality and acceptance but then go and put down other people for who they are. Dayumn shame.
slovesk766 4 months ago 5
I absolutely love this video. "We share letter space in the same acronym!"
fenderguck 5 months ago
As a lesbian i am ashamed that you face this crap after facing everything that you will have faced .I have put ur video on my facebook if that is ok so people can realise how disgusting it really is and that we should be supporting you not being hypocritical .Stay strong and look forward to seeing the young man u were always meant to be stay strong love and respect xxx
rhyukinfin 5 months ago in playlist Liked
2. A good explanation - but definitely not excuse – for the attitudes is found in the 3 articles Transphobia In the Gay Community | The Bilerico Project (this won't let me post links)
Sally
Melbourne, Australia
sallyg2704 5 months ago
Gay men: a 1990’s Australian research report found over 40% of trans folk had faced discrimination from gay men, making gays the most transphobic group in all of society (sorry don’t have a link, only a pdf). I believe, based on first-hand evidence this situation is changing for the better.
sallyg2704 5 months ago
Lesbians: 95% supportive:,sadly yes the other 5% of separatists are best left alone
sallyg2704 5 months ago
I too would break things down rather than generalise: I have found bisexuals to be totally supportive of trans. One bi group defined bi as "attracted to more than one sex/gender” to get beyond the binary and respect trans (and others).
sallyg2704 5 months ago
Wow that's really the saddest irony I have ever heard. I'm ftm trans as well, and the worst I've gotten is from my family. I have vast amounts of support in the outside world from all different people, which I would prefer over my family I guess since when I move out it'd be a winning situation. But at the same time, my family is just being horrible to me. I can't even begin to explain. I just want out. So I hear you. Transphobia is the worst.
CatFlashBlue 6 months ago
I have a close personal f2m friend who had the shit beat out of him by another lesbian friend.
TheBensolis1 6 months ago
P.S. I want to add, that I know that there are many WONDERFUL Gay people around, that are truly good persons, so I am NOT talking about gay people as a group, but are only adressing the ones that this topic concerns.
And ofcourse, Gay and Bi(And trans)-people should also have the exact same rights as anyone else.
The discriminators, however, should just be shot or deported to Iran or something, as they are giving a really bad name for other GOOD gay people.
ImmortalPainintheass 7 months ago
*Continue*
In fact, a transperson will often find Him/Herself to be MORE accepted among heterosexuals than in the Gay Community, and I personally know several transpersons that have faced such discrimination from Gay people, that they refuse to have anything to do with any other groups than heterosexuals.
It does not matter a fluff how these gays want to defend this behaviour- fact is they need to stop being such hippocrits and demand acceptance if they are not willing to give any themselves.
ImmortalPainintheass 7 months ago
Great video.*Thumbs up*
This is something that is a truly important issue that needs to be brought up, and I can GUARANTEE, that many of the most nasty trans-haters, are actually found in the Gay-community. What a paradox, huh? I mean, haven't they learned anything about acceptance and discrimination at all?
Apparently not. One of the classics are; "A guy should be a guy and a girl a girl!".
Really? According to that reason, perhaps they should not even have sex with their own gender, then.
ImmortalPainintheass 7 months ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
The t should be erased from lgb you guys are traders now ur straight what is our world coming to T_T
Swagitout1 7 months ago
@Swagitout1
some trans people are gay :|
AdrianforSure 5 months ago
@Swagitout1 Trans people are not "once gay, then decided to be trans." They are ALWAYS trans since birth, just like you have always been gay. Trans issues involve the physical body...as in BODY PARTS. not inner sexuality. How can you tell someone else to be something their not? Haven't you cringed when people told you to be straight? You are beyond idiotic, poor sad fellow youtube colleague. Words fail to describe your hypocrisy. Also, periods are the little dots that go at the end of sentences.
Whitedoggy24 4 months ago
Yeah, if your gay friends were giving you flack for transitioning thats bizarre and pretty crappy behavior. However at the same time, they might legitimately have been concerned for your health etc. and just not had a lot of tact when discussing their honest concerns with you.
nightpotato 8 months ago
This is an awesome video Jamie, I know what you mean about the reaction from gay friends... thanks for the response to End Transphobia in the LGB and Beyond.. keep on rockin man :)
Fuzzellhead 8 months ago 3
sorry screeth but you are not a man. You already have the basic rights we all share. Just because you do not want to marry a man does not mean you don't have the same rights it just means you CHOOSE not to take advantage of the rights already given to you. Can you marry your sister, Cousin, aunt, Uncle, NO you can't but you want me to believe that those people who decide to do that are all of a sudden without basic human rights??? And disfiguring your body used to put you in a pysch ward.
RedFalcon812 8 months ago
Jamie, I'd just like to say that, as a bisexual, I am behind you the whole way trough this. :*
SxcDubliner 9 months ago
7 people are the "butch" that are mad at you for changing the dating level in your community. lol
amarieebby 9 months ago
Jamie, Problem No. 1 is that you're an adorable butch :-) Hate to lose ya. I would like to point out, however, that there are cases of FTM's who have had real regrets after the fact. I would tend to hold inadequate counseling responsible. If you know what you're doing, know yourself to be a man in a woman's body -- by all means go for it and be happy.
JudithStone 10 months ago
@JudithStone The regrets are from several factors including social exclusion, lower chances of finding relationships, side effects if they are on T, etc. They weren't emotionally ready and shouldn't have progressed.
jcac1023 5 months ago
Yes, Jaime. I, Ana Paulina Moreno, want to date you. (; Awesome video. You are an amazing person inside and out. It's people like you, who make me feel proud to be lesbian. Thank you. (:
ohyesana 10 months ago
As my fellow trans friend says The T is always silent. It is sad that the gays are phobic, since some of us were part of the community prior to starting transitioning
Wesleyintheory 10 months ago
The only explination I can think of is that they think its selling out, that you are trying to become hetrosexual by changing your gender and "fit in" with "normal" society. I sort of blow that theory out of the water being a MTF that is only attracted to women and have become a woman so I can be a lesbian, but then I get the " your just a man with a lesbian fetish" form my fellow lesbians, you can't seem to win.
Fireflygamer 10 months ago
@Fireflygamer I agree with this being the most likely reason, matched with the fact that a lot of lesbians have probably been accused of or thought to be trans, and it's fostered feelings of hostility. When I was identifying as lesbian and coming out to people as such, certain people did ask me if I wasn't just "one of those people that was supposed to be born with the other parts." O___O The people in question weren't asking me this because they knew me well enough to suspect that I was trans.
SailorAlex3 9 months ago
@SailorAlex3 Its funny you say that because people seem to be able to deal with the idea of being born in the wrong body easily. Most of the questions i get are on the details of how i changed my body. It seems the idea homosexuality is harder to grasp so its easier for them to think that the cuase of your lesbianism is because you were meant to be a boy, but they have no idea what it means to be trans and why people transition in the first place. big pile ignorance.
Fireflygamer 9 months ago 2
@Fireflygamer So you change your body to be more feminine and look like a woman to only go after what you already by nature should be attracted to. And you want to say people are crazy for thinking that you are? You have a mental issue and that is your choice but please don't argue that you don't have issues. cutting off your penis used to get you thrown in the mental ward. Now it seems like it is the next hot fashion choice. What next people having sex with animals. Uh Oh too late
RedFalcon812 8 months ago
@RedFalcon812 The fact that you think I chose to change my body to be female so I could have sex with other females or that what I have done is cutting off my penis or that its some sort of fad or fashion choice just exposes your ignorance. For your education I was born with a female brain and a male body, since I can not change my brain I had to change my body to make it fit. the fact that I like nipples and clits instead of dick is besides the point. Educate yourself you ignorant fuck
Fireflygamer 8 months ago 4
i know,i know... i've been there,fuck! My friends don't understand that i want to remove my breasts.They're like "why don't you learn to love yourself".They so don't get it!
JanIsBoy5 10 months ago
Those damn gays.... lol
FriendOregon 10 months ago
I totally agree,the prejudice against us trans,even against those adapted into homosexuality (thus looking soft gay men and butch lesbians,though not all of these are trans) is huge amongst gay /lesbian and bis !
Gwynsek 10 months ago
One thing about the "LGBT" umbrella term is that it hasn't ever been unanimously accepted.
First, it was just "the gay community"
Then (begrudgingly by some) it became "gay and lesbian community." (It wasn't necessarily one community. "Communities" would be better.) I think some gay men have resented the "watering down" of just palin'ol "gay community". Adding the "B" was a huge deal in l994 where I lived. And the "T" wasn't even on the table for discussion (This was in Ottawa Canada).
brotherdarek 10 months ago
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brotherdarek 10 months ago
Jamie...you are the shit. love your sense of humor
ra1nb0wb00tay 10 months ago
Crazy that you get so much flack from the gay community in particular.
Isn't coming out about embracing and celebrating the person that you are inside? It's sad that when you shared your true self, that they would respond with hate and derision.
It's hard to figure out why they would act in such a way. Maybe it's just a case of people regurgitating all the hateful and ignorant attitudes that they dealt when they came out themselves? Not an excuse, though.
PS: you're sexy ;o
DBrobotic 10 months ago
You crack me UP :)
"What, are you gonna kick me off the outcast island?" lol
shotofgrapejuice 11 months ago
I went through the same thing on coming out. I am an MTF and got it far more from gay males in the being and slowly got it from other lesbians. Came out double and got flack for sating other lesbians. "Oh your not really female till surgery" and all that jazz. While others fully accepted it and have no issue with it. I find it ironic that other lesbians are so upset about my need to be who I am. I don't want my junk on me as much as they do! Dude I feel you but you will weed out the bad ones.
LimnuLimnu 11 months ago
@LimnuLimnu Not female till surgery... wow so what are all these feelings i get all the time? lies? Ignorance is definitely NOT bliss.
RayneNikole 11 months ago
@RayneNikole Yeah sadly even in the community there is still narrow mindedness. IT is lame but yeah sadly it happens.
LimnuLimnu 11 months ago
seven people missed the like button.
555ravenfeathers 1 year ago 11
@555ravenfeathers :))
sneetchinflux 1 year ago
@sneetchinflux :3
555ravenfeathers 1 year ago
its ur life u should be able to choose what u want to do ... and if people judge u for that fuck them .. people need to look at the good in peoples heart not on what they look like who they love or what they want to become .... more props to u bro .. good luck i hope everything works out well for u and u have a smooth and steady transition .. i am a lesbian dike that only whats equal rights for all... keep ur head up ur better then all the haters
biker11180 1 year ago
You nailed it with this one! I get a lot of comments/stank looks from lesbians mostly. I am 5 years into transition and if I walk into a a gay bar the women there (not all but a good deal of them) give me dirty looks or make negative comments.
I love your sense of humor! Great job
fidgetboi 1 year ago
Sooo i completely agree with you on transphoia and how the gays don't accept it and i dont get it, just like i dont get when lesbian's don't think bisexuals are real either.... but this is a great movie! and dont worry i'll date you so you wont be alone! haha :D
3milyAnn4 1 year ago
I will say this:I identified as lesbian for many years and never knew the realities of what trans was. Not that I was rude or incorrect about it, I just simply didn't know.I only learned about it when I realized I WAS a transguy. That's the scary part, that only those who are trans will ever fully understand it. Sure, there are lots of awesome straight/gay allies, but most gays don't think it's legit. they don't want to admit that it's separate from sexual preference. we gotta change that.
Whitedoggy24 1 year ago
The truth is that you're way cooler than any gay transphob. The truth is that there is a heap of people, gay or straight, who would date you. I stress over "who will love me" and "who will be my friend" after I transition, but here's a saying I made up..."Do what you love and the money will come; become what you are and the love will come."
Whitedoggy24 1 year ago
As a gay man I am appaled and ashamed of transphobia's existence. The points in this video are spot on. Gay people are fighting for acceptance. We fight to show that we are just like everyone else. This is the exact same situation for trans. How can gay people fight for acceptance, when there are gay people who don't accept other's for their differences. We fight for the same thing! Equality and acceptance. Frankly, I find gay transphobia to be hypocrtical and down right disgusting.
ryuuotoko 1 year ago 28
I think gays and lesbians don't like us because, they can't accept that gender identity has nothing to do with sexual orientation.
Wakikiyapata 1 year ago
Gays and lesbo's tend to be arrogant and cliquish. I am MTF TS and honestly I could not care less about some GLBT "community".
The only people you should be concerned with are your family and straight friends. After all, are you wanting to be stuck in some GLBT "community" or are you wanting to assimilate into the rest of society?
Lesrevesdhiver 1 year ago
@Lesrevesdhiver I'm a FTM TS and I totally agree with this. With every passing day I feel myself moving further and further away from the "GLBT community", not that I ever felt like I was a part of it anyway...
TannersNemo 1 year ago
Hugs to you Jamie!
thegreyofmyworld 1 year ago
best 10 minutes ever, thankyou. this is a real issue and I am happy to see it being discussed as opposed to minimized and dismissed.
TheSkankRepublic 1 year ago
I think phobia's like this (homophobia, transphobia etc) don't exist. I think it's just there to justify ignorant people who can't accept differences..I'm gay and I see nothing wrong with people who transition.
SaschaLovesRainbows 1 year ago
This video was amazing. Serioulsly, I'm going through the exact same thing. I just recently came out as trans. :)
iAdamBaker 1 year ago
amen. thank goodness somebody vlogged this. shoot i heard the butch call us traitors. really? back to the fundamentals again....
mjdepina624 1 year ago
"Sorry that some people have treated you with such disrespect".- Some random lesbian
tigerstone91 1 year ago
I remember learning about biphobia when I first became politically active. One queer theorist told me "Bisexuality is theoretically impossible." If so, it sounds like it's time for a new theory.
thenewmiLONNIEum 1 year ago
I think your so wrong and this video makes you look anti-gay.
I'm a transguy myself and it's always great that people accept you for the person you are but i can understand that for some people transsexuality is difficult to understand.
There are a lot of gays as well as straights who accept it.
But why are you focussing on the negative side?
5vvnm 1 year ago
He's just saying that he was not expecting transphobia from the gays. Of course it's negative.
SirKynan 1 year ago
@5vvnm well, that would be because the gay people Jamie knows don't accept it. duh. It doesn't matter to him whether or not YOUR gay friends accepted YOU, or whether or not there are accepting people OUT THERE SOMEWHERE.
pradlee 1 year ago
You make me giggle :)
Anywho! My boyfriend is going through the same thing. That's actually why him and his ex broke up. She's gay and freaked out about him being trans. Love isn't about the body or gender. It's who the person is. He's lost a few of his friends because of it as well. It's a terrible thing.
lyssaann104 1 year ago
I know that's RIGHT! This is nothing new. ALOT of glb, (not all) have become shady toward trans people, little do they realize that if it weren't for the trans community, there would be no STONEWALL. That means trans folk initiated rights for EVERYBODY in the lgb, and, last but not least T.
schildno5 1 year ago
this is very true.. i lost alot of my friends.. lets see how many friends i have at the end of this. <3 this video.
Mandaaa33 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
TRANNY-FAIL.
SUCK MY HARD "REAL" GAY COCK, YOU DUMB BUTCH.
GayWorldOrder 1 year ago
I am not even sure how to respond without the risk of getting verbally crucified. Hey transgenders, you have my support. It confuses me but I will give my full support.
Chica
hispanic1976 1 year ago
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This is pure homophobia from another man-hating tranny-slut. Turn this shit off, go to hell you dumb cunt, you're NOT one of us.
We assfuck women 2 men SRS whores.
Gay men HATE you because you're not a GAY MAN.
Why not fuck off please??
OBEY ME BITCH, FUCK OFF YOU DUMB FEMALE WHORE.
GayWorldOrder 1 year ago
@GayWorldOrder way to make us look bad, douche.
Like you have never experienced hate. You sound like a well misinformed straight redneck. If you have to hate Why don't you throw your hate back at the people who actually hate on you instead?
If by not one of us you mean LGBT, uh I think you'll find T is in there, as pointed out. If anything, you're less "one of us" since you seem to hate evry other letter in the acronym apart from G.
Why not stop being such a Neo-Nazi please??
Zarfoxity 1 year ago 3
None of the gay men and lesbians I actually know have an issue with trans people. I've only found this transphobia from gays online, which I think can be explained by the fact that they're a bunch of miserable self-loathing people who feel the need to post their shitty views on the internet since they're not content in real life. Pay them no mind, they're just not worth it :)
cheah83 1 year ago
Dude that's exactly why I never hung out with LGBT people. I have gay friends, but they don't hang out with that crowd, and they've been the ones that accepted me the fastest. Oh yah, & try avoiding gay women, they're a pain in the ass LOL!
shwinggum 1 year ago
It's very hard for people to understand that a man can be stuck in a female body. I have seen Transgender people get made fun of for this and I'll admit that I've made my share of nudges and mistakes. However, I've learned from those mistakes and I understand who transgender people are now. But, that doesn't mean that other people don't understand. Like, trying to explain that there is a difference between a drag queen and a transgender man. So, I understand and see what you are going threw.
friedmanrc 1 year ago
I'm not surprised at all - I've gotten the most shit about being bi from the gay community as well.
vicalove 1 year ago
as a lesbian in the LGBT... I fully support transgender people. I agree with you asking, "Why would outcasts want to make others feel like outcasts" when they obviously know how awful it feels. Don't understand it... stay strong!
lylas1423 1 year ago 2
Wow. Ok who would have thought that gays would be the first people we would have to tell that it's not a choice. Even after they have preached that phrase a thousand times they go and disregard us as freaks, and then tell us that what we're doing suddenly qualifies as a choice. Ignorant hypocrites, I just lost all respect for them. Except for the ones that know being trans isn't a choice, they're still awesome.
TheSnowyice 1 year ago
You're hilarious, but you get the point across.
I have noticed this quite a lot from the LGB, no wonder a lot of trans want to separate from them. I don't get it; discrimination doesn't solve discrimination.
TheEscapedBalloon 1 year ago
It is sad how some of the queer community seems to have prejudice and ignorance around this. I've been transitioning for almost 7 years now and the majority of ignorance I've come across is in the LGB part of the community.
ImTellingMyStory 1 year ago
Ingrate
rttoronto 1 year ago
Can we say, Hypocrites? Just know that you can please some people, some of the time, and all of the people, none of the time. Truly, Charlie
akacharlie1981 1 year ago
well i have always wanted to be a girl and stuff since i was seven but like when i finally came out was when i was 12 and yeah i have told a lot of my gay friends and they totally hated the iddea i wanted to be a girl and they said i was ashamed of being gay and that 2 years from now im goin to regret it and i wont regret anything but the lesbian community are all kewl with me... i am welcome amongst the trans community mtf and ftm seems like we all can relate somehow ... xoxo
bresacay 1 year ago
LOL," yea, that's right , you butch lesbian, i am injecting myself with man juice just to piss you off" i had to rewatch that ssoooo many times!!! I have also noticed that I have had the MOST transphobia with the gays as well... mostly the lesbians... thanks for making this video!
NotYourAverageOne 1 year ago
haha omg bro i was laughin my ass off cuz ive been there too! whats up with the gays??? haha plus your pretty damn cute....and no im not a butch lesbian! ha thanks for the laugh bro
mrryanscott 1 year ago
actually im in ur sitatuion but mine is the other way im male to female transgender and uhh yea a lot of the gay community hates me too but it seems lesbians are ok wit it and some of my friends do but it seems like girls ok with it but to the gay men community , mmm no!! lol
they are not ok with it ...
but hang in there things will work out smoothly in the end...
bresacay 1 year ago
@bresacay that's interesting! of the gay community, the lesbians have been WORSE for me than the gay men! perhaps it's somewhat related to some unspoken adherence to a version of gender norms unique to the gay community...
sneetchinflux 1 year ago
To me it always seems that groups of people who are used to being judged, discriminated against, or who deal with flack on a regular basis for being themselves are very quick to turn the page on others. I think it maybe because people think "This is the way it is, people are harsh" so they don't think twice doing it themselves.
oneyoungman87 1 year ago
I think the reason why there are so many trans-phobic gays is the same reason someone would likely be accused of gay bashing if they ever gave a comprehensive breakdown of why there are so many trans-phobic gays.
Reienroute 1 year ago
we're sorry, we don't mean to be transphobic we just think you're really hot as a girl :P Seriously that is why we lesbians might give off that vibe, its cuz pre-trans guys are usually the hottest of all lesbians, and then there are some really unnatractive lesbians who want to stay girls and it's like aww man. Give your gay friends some time, seriously they won't be like that for long, they're just mourning over the loss of a pair of boobs to stare at, I am sure they will get over it. :)
Zarfoxity 1 year ago
@Zarfoxity bbhbhahbhhabhahhahaaha hilarious! no, honestly, though-- this is tremendously hypocritical for me to say-- but the mere thought of some of my really hot currently queer-identified, female-bodied lesbian friends going through transition makes me so sad. i love the female body and the idea of someone changing that just puts a knot in my stomach. odd, i know, since technically that's what i'm doing to my own body, but i've never thought of it as a female body...just...wrong...
sneetchinflux 1 year ago
@sneetchinflux I'm too tired to work out if this reply is positive or negative atm, but I was just trying to give you an insight since you repeatedly asked "Why gays?" throughout your vid. It's seriously not a lingering thought, it's an initial response, it's not their body it's yours, they will realise that seriously. I'm sorry if you took my comment negatively, I just think you should give your friends a chance who knows they might have even considered tranisitioning themselves.
Zarfoxity 1 year ago
I'm a trans guy, and I'm into men :P Hell, I threw myself out of the ice bucket and into the volcano with that one, and I STILL get shit for it! I don't understand that especially? Mostly I just get 'faghag' which REALLY offends me.
I'm not a chick, and if gay guys are put off by me, I say it's just because I'm too much of a man for them to deal with! :P
ToTeff 1 year ago
Humanity just likes destroying each other it seems.
I guess what a lot of L, G, and B people might be somehow thinking that you're trying to avoid the discrimination the rest of us are going through (somehow...?) by not being seen walking down the street with someone of the same gender. I dunno, people are dumb.
Personally, I'm a lesbo, my best friend is a ftm tranny, and we're the bottom of the social chain, but we're happy there :P
ShayloCray 1 year ago
@ShayloCray makes a lot of sense, actually... in a few weeks, i'll be able to "hide" my queerness in a way i've NEVER experienced throughout my life. this is something i had no hope of as a lesbian-identified person, so it does seem logical, i suppose, that other lesbians unhappy with their forced social outcasting might envy (to the point of hating) my newfound..freedom..for lack of better words.
sneetchinflux 1 year ago
As a bi trans guy, I'm really glad that the majority of my friends are straight and cis....
PChanmisao 1 year ago
Well done!
jtmanson 1 year ago
I love your video! It is very true that some LGB people aren't understanding of transgender people. I'm apart of the LGBT club at my school, but I'm the only one who is considered to be part of the T, but they still say "dyke" or call me a "butch". I think educating the community is a big part and getting them to understand what transgender people go through. Some of my straight friends are iffy, some were confused but were willing to learn by asking what I deal with and it definitely helped
artdamage 1 year ago
@artdamage oh, that is SO frustrating! you're right-- education is the only way this can be fixed.
sneetchinflux 1 year ago
I think there are some unfair implications in this, the majority of LGB folk are much more understanding than your average "Christian". But it will differ from community to community. The worst offenders are the Lesbian Seperatists who are some of the most hideous people I've run across and sound like fundamentalists themselves.
TheSmallBombs 1 year ago
@TheSmallBombs I've never heard them referred to as "Lesbian Separatists" but I love that term and couldn't agree more with your description of them.
I admit, this was a bit extreme, but there is a youtuber whose name I always forget-- dirtywhiteboi (or something like that) who'd been instigating a lot of unease in my specific yt ftm community, so in attempt to sum up everyone's shared frustration, I made this video.
And tho you're right that the LGB is usually drastically more accepting -->
sneetchinflux 1 year ago
@TheSmallBombs --> than the Christian-identified community, the point remains: Transphobia's existence among l, g, and b-identified people to a greater degree than it seems (in my experience thus far) to exist in Christian-identified people is absurd and beyond counterintuitive.
sneetchinflux 1 year ago
I can't say too much because I don't know alot about trans. However I do see this as a real problem, part of the reason I've separated myself from the LGB mainstream notice I didn't include T why because I've yet to have a trans person criticize me for being me, but I have seen the LGB community criticize the T part of OUR community LGBT. Very nice video now to figure out how to share it with my viewers.
churchsj84 1 year ago
As a gay man I have struggled with my own transphobia. I found that, for me, it was rooted in how hard it was for people to see me as fully "male". Many people wanted to put me in a "practically female" box because I was attracted to men and I responded by becoming very adverse to nongender conforming behavior.
I've gotten older and now better understand that that response is only another way of putting people into boxes.
Kudos to you! Great video!
legislativequeery 1 year ago
It could be a lack of understanding, I know I didn't get it at first when my friend told me her brother (who I once made out with) identified as a lesbian. But after talking to her and other m > f people in my LGBT community I was able to understand and be supportive.
But along the same lines, when I started to accept myself and come out as a bi woman, who has only ever dated men, my queer roomie denied that I was "truly bi" cuz I had never been in a "meaningful" relationship with a woman. WTF??
ghetohobit 1 year ago
As a member of the B, I totally understand the 'tude that you get from the L and G. I think the reason why B's and T's can understand each other so much is b/c we both live in the gray. For L, G, and straights, it's one way or another....black or white...gay or straight...male or female...which I find funny since so many L and G's teeter the line between masculine and feminine. You would think they would be a fan of gender non-conformity
brufanegra 1 year ago 4
@brufanegra
I hear you and feel exactly the same! just cuz they stand under that rainbow doesn't mean they really see all the colors in it!!
ghetohobit 1 year ago
i extremely love your humor Jamie, & i love how you tell it like it is. Not alot of people out in the world would do that. & btw Congras on coming out Hun. rock on. My gf is in the process of getting started with the trans. & ive accepted her from the start .No matter what sex she is, i have and always will see her as an amazing person. Our va-jj or rods arent what makes us the ppl we are , its our personality that does & how we treat others.& it shows u have a great personality . Rock on
MsRedStiXx 1 year ago 5
@MsRedStiXx Thanks for your support! Good luck to your gf on her journey! :)
sneetchinflux 1 year ago
@MsRedStiXx Your Va-jj or rods does not define you it tells us what you are.. Does having the human body make you human? That is why this argument loses as it does not make sense. There are tons of guys who don't act very manly but they are men nevertheless men. But you want to make it that because you act feminine you must be a girl. How can you be born in the wrong body?? You were born with a va-jj or a penis. You can ACT how you want but you are still a boy or a girl
RedFalcon812 8 months ago
@RedFalcon812 actually ur va-jj or rod is just a part of U it doesnt define who U are. from the sounds of it U lack the education of reality & how things really are. why? Bc ur still stuck in the stone ages where everyone believe men should be with women and live happily ever after.. In all fairness FTM's are reborn Men(women who should of been born a man) as well as MTF are women .
MsRedStiXx 7 months ago
@RedFalcon812 You should never never doubt what you are uneducated about. It rhymes!!
Whitedoggy24 4 months ago
This is one of the most amazing 'get your point across' videos I have ever seen! I am going to share this with all my gay friends! :-)
DanaLaneTaylor 1 year ago 9
@DanaLaneTaylor :) awesome! thanks!
sneetchinflux 1 year ago
As an activist in the community for 14 years and a videographer myself, I have to say this is very well done and to the point. You sisters also have problem as well. I was even asked by a lesbian once that if I'm transitioning to female, does that me I want to be with men. I couldn't believe she ask me that. Check out my videos. Monica Helms
monicahelms 1 year ago
@monicahelms oh, my...how frustrating...
sneetchinflux 1 year ago
Also, internalized homophobia is distinct from internalized transphobia; they each need conscious and meticulous annihilation from our psyches.
FreedomIsEquality 1 year ago
Wow, since accepting that I'm gay and atheist (from growing up very homophobic and religious), I've tried to understand those who are different from me (shameful more lgb's apparently don't).
I think part of it /is/ that people get confused as in: 'I thought you were hot but you're saying you're not the gender I thought I liked.' or 'do I have to be attracted to you now?' ('queer' is such a nice concept, accept it).
FreedomIsEquality 1 year ago
I found my answer!!!
Erectile implants, those used in men with impotence (erectile dysfunction), can be added to achieve erection in the new penis. Hardening of the urinary tract and tissue death in the new penis are complications of phalloplasty.
How cool is that!!! SO DOPE!
BootyMcmuffin 1 year ago
@BootyMcmuffin fewer than 3% of trans men have any kind of genital surgery, with phalloplasty being the least common. Not all trans identified people feel that genital surgery is necessary for them to complete their transition.
legislativequeery 1 year ago
@legislativequeery thank you so much for your response. Really? I had no idea. That is definitely interesting...
BootyMcmuffin 1 year ago
I am very supportive, and i feel everything you are saying....
But...
At the expense of sounding ignorant, but would you be able to get an erection after getting the surgery done?
BootyMcmuffin 1 year ago
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BootyMcmuffin 1 year ago
I think that the reason cis gay people feel so threatened by trans people is that their entire identity hinges on the gender binary, and they think that if that system falls, they won't be special or different anymore. Just my thoughts. And transphobia even comes from within trans "communities" sometimes. I knew a trans woman who spread rumors that a couple other trans women were "cis gay men in disguise appropriating womens identities to justify their violent ideologies"
feiplum 1 year ago
i cant stand lgb people who hate transgender people. how is anyone going to except us all together if we're hating on each other. rediculous. fail indeed.
aidengabrielx 1 year ago
Haha, yeah, this doesn't even touch on the transphobia and policing by other transpeople. I was recently told that I am not genderqueer anymore since I got top surgery.
mountainboi2 1 year ago
You are really hot.
With that being said.
As a queer transwoman I've been told that "I have internalized homophobia" that "You are asserting your male privlidge to get access to womyn born womyn spaces" "You are a man and because of that you can not be raped and all you do is rape" I will add "michfest". The male gay(I never identified as gay) community has claimed I am a "gender traitor" But yea the worst shit I have ever experienced was from liberal feminists who avoid logic in discussion.
feiplum 1 year ago 13
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@feiplum "You are a man and because of that you can not be raped and all you do is rape"
man do I wish queer people weren't just as capable of being completely stupid as everyone else. that is some quality stupid.
howisbabbyformed 1 year ago
@feiplum Indeed,the sheer truth, most gay and lesbians criticize us for being who we are and assume we should all be like them.Fortunately,at least some amongst them accept us as we are ,instead of trying to push their way down our throats !
Gwynsek 10 months ago
as a lesbian myself i know all about transphobia, i was same way. I thought they made us look bad and i didnt get why they were in our community, since not all trans people are gay... but it was just my own ignorance. I hadnt known/been around a lot of trans people. After i got to know some my whole view changed! And dont worry about finding partners, plenty of women love transguys ;)
YourLoveLetter 1 year ago
One of the major reasons I find is that GL and sometimes B people often base their difference ie sexual orientation on certain very binary concepts of gender. Trans people for them break that understanding of male and female and irrationally they feel they gender and sexuality are under threat as a result. I frankly have seen similar behaviour mostly from straight cis men.
deliriumfae 1 year ago
If i were you i wouldn't get it either... gay people giving problems to transgender?
WHAT????? nobody should be treated differently just because they want to change
something about themselves... i love all people (not bad pppl) i don't care if they are gay, straight, trans... amen to the outcast island, dont bully Jaime..not cool.. doesnt make you cool, trans isnt my thing id go thro but im lesbian and i support any gay/trans related things 100%.... love your vids hun
caylajustine1 1 year ago
Hi Sneetchinflux. Thanx for your video, for pointing out something I wouldn't have expected. Yet I am not very surprised, generally people are stuffed with prejudice (now, isn't THAT a biased opinion?). It takes courage to recognize it and deal with it. When you are on the receiving end of prejudice, it might even be tougher to recognize your own prejudice. Persecution doesn't make saints (a persecuted asshole still is an asshole). Those who rise to the opportunity would have been saints anyway.
Drontenpeel 1 year ago
@Drontenpeel Reading my comment I am annoyed by my own cynicism. I reacted the easy way. People primarily seem to react in that way, I’m no better. It's hard to accept that it's impossible to judge anything based on a limited personal view. The urge to judge instead of accepting generates paranoia and fear. Being drawn into a paradigm like that, because you are constantly judged by others, smothers the knowledge of the heart. Sounds silly, but I think fundamental.
Drontenpeel 1 year ago
Ok not very thought out but my idea is that know when transition that you will no longer be "gay" per-sea but a straight man/woman and in there minds think they will be losing a member of the lgbt community and then there minds continue from that.... but anyways fuck em and fuck what they think.
forsaken20071 1 year ago
I don't harbor any frustration towards the transgender world. Just the straight assholes. I was simply speaking from a point of view, trying to offer an opinion as to why SOME ppl may react the way they are. As I mentioned, I have several friends who are transitioning, one of which I used to date before the transition. It doesn't bother me. More power to you, to reach out and accomplish your goals. I wish you all good luck in your journey to self happiness.
randomnesslessfully 1 year ago
awesome video. so true
eveydel 1 year ago
I love it!!! How sweet it is! It is so hard to have fun in gay bars because of this trobophobic gay attitude.
Thank you for summing up my worst feelings!
debbiedee4fun 1 year ago
That is the most awesome video ever. Wanna trade bodies? MTF from Michigan, I've seen the same crap up here from gays but it's from everyone else too. Nothing beats being rejected and shunned by all of society but especially by your comrades. Yeah I'm lesbian too, pre-op.
marissagrl 1 year ago
While I'd like to sympathize MORE with Janie's situation; acknowledging that
(s)he has a real point; the problem is that it IS the lesbians who have the biggest problem with this. Refugees from the patriarchy, we, transwomen, are pretty much vilified by the masses. Especially most lesbians.
So I wonder.........did Jamie have this same enlightened point-of-view before
(s)he came to the stunning realization that (s)he was a transman trapped in a lesbian's body?
dalmaxwell 1 year ago
I have never been able to describe this as well as you did in this video! It was so spot on. Granted I've gotten a little more support from the LGB community than my family myself, but I've been stunned at some of the reactions I've gotten from the LGB community. Even the LGBT centers and the way the staff treats us. It's so disheartening. :(
ynotbegoodtoall 1 year ago
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So, I begin to wonder whether it's something really primeval in people that we're running up against - some sort of really basic, intrinsic button that we push in some folks. Some lizard-brain, reaction that needs to know the gender of the other lizard that just walked up to the watering hole - can I mate with it? should I fight it? I can't tell!! ALARM ALARM!!!
Is this any excuse? of course not. folks make up all sorts of "rational" reasons why we upset them. good job
JudithMiquela 1 year ago
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Okay, so, I'm MtF trans, and we recently had a gay r