Hm... for the first time I think im starting to get it. Somehow the right has melded Sunday morning church crazy talk with evening entertainment shows. Slap a name like 'NEWS' on it and you have Fox.
This is the most embarrassing piece of bullshit I have seen in many, many years, this pseudo confessional claptrap. Beck is good at exposing some of the issues ignored by the media, but there is something very creepy, phony and unhinged about this man. Recall his operation on live TV. He has consciously assumed the role of the guy in Network. Let me suggest that a greater problem in our world is this very confessional, Oprah-like approach to life. It appeals to a low element of our psyche.
The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
Yeah, that makes total sense.
Everyday there are more people who have figured out the truth, that Santa Claus and Jesus are the same person.
That's the thing, I don't have it all figured out and I'm ok with it. You make it very clear that you don't have sound understanding of sience (mud and loins? what are you 10 years old?).
Your story involves talking snakes, burning bushes and so many other silly things. On the other hand science and technology have given us what religion never did - REAL KNOWLEDGE. We don't assume to know everything unlike religion, we are humble enough to say "we are in the process of learning more".
At the end, when there's a critical situation everyone like you realizes that talking to invisible supernatural beings is childish and silly.
For example, if your son is critically sick and even though you 'believe' in the power of prayer... you are faced with two options. Will you take your son to church and pray through the whole weekend that he gets better (If you ask you shall receive) or will you take him to a scientist who works in a Hospital and will use technology instead of prayer?
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I would do both.
Is it out of your realm of understanding to fathom that the talents and abilities of those doctors could be inspired by a divine and loving father?
And thank you for proving my point.
You *don't* know everything.
Nor do I.
I simply hold to a belief that you can't comprehend.
My belief in an omnipotent being is no more unbelievable than your idea that we sparked from nothing, and through billions of years, we coalesced from mud, onto fish, then to primates, and to humans.
The thing is, you can't do both. You see, a very long time ago the principles of Religion gave us the certainty that God had created everything in this universe along with a divine plan for each one of us; it is his will that will be done and all we could do is be loyal to him regardless of what his decisions might be.
But man realized the fallacy in this blind belief system and decided to study the the human body in order to fix the problems God couldnt fix or didn't want to fix.
So medical science was born and people began to see the benefits or science which completely contradict the proclamations of religion.
Why not take your son to the hospital if your all knowing God knows what he needs and will answer your prayers because his scripture says he will and if he doesn't then let his will be done and your son will die. Deep inside you will go against your God's will and will recur to our science, the same science that says the Bible is nonsense.
Who are we to say that God's will isn't for me to take my son(actually I have a daughter) to a doctor, and pray God guides his hand to help her?
Prayer is answered in many ways my friend. It is normally the skeptic who demands immaculate miracles in order to be convinced.
The religious history you speak of is not one that I follow. I do not adhere to dogma or the ideals of Catholicism. I adhere to the teachings found in the Bible. Not to the contrived doctrine of man.
But the Bible is nothing but a compilation of copies from other books, such as the Book of the Dead (Egypt). We have arrived at the age of modern science and medicine because human beings decided not to rely on the proclamations of the Bible where God has the final word, and if he does we would never have had the need to look for solutions to our health problems.
You see, you talk to invisible beings because you need psychological comfort, just like a child needs Santa Claus.
I don't wish to argue the existence of God with somebody over the internet. It's just too impersonal. So I will just leave you with this:
To proscribe the supernatural by presupposition that an atheistic interpretation of origins is the only credible explanation is dishonest and prejudicial. It forces explanations to contradict laws of science and defies the very foundational principles upon which science is derived.
Objective science is not atheistic. It is agnostic.
Since it seems your grasp of science is not well found it, please watch the following short video (I also see that you are open minded and mature). We simply didn't come from nothing.
watch?v=hIY-VxNFi2k
An atheistic interpretation is a stupid one because I cannot denied the exitance of God just like I can't prove it, it simply is irrelevant and that is why I consider myself an agnostic ;) and a rationalist.
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As for the video...
Very cute.
And full of assumption.
With all the knowledge we have, and this supposed pot of chemical stew that loves clay, we still haven't been able to actually get life in a laboratory.
The assumption abound in that video, yet you accept them as fact.
We haven't been able to take current RNA, and do any mess of things to change it into DNA, yet you, and he, presume this happened on it's own through billions of years... with no actual evidence of it occurring at all.
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I can't very well agree that you are an agnostic. An agnostic has tugging questions that he can't answer. You are simply an atheist who's still looking.
Perhaps your waiting on you immaculate miracle.
If you're open to seeing them, you just might.
But you have to know where, and perhaps how, to look for them.
I can't help but notice all atheists believe all Christians are dolts about science.
More assumption.
There are plenty of Creationist scientists who can happily meld science AND religion.
No there are not,... they are silly people and the scientific community sees them as looneys.
I rather base my truth on what science finds instead of believe the childsh stories on that book of copied fables, fables manipulated by the Roman Empire and even evil King George himself.
I was actually a Catholic and my own father was a priest for 10 years before he got educated on theology. I personaly took theology for 5 years at the University of Miami in FL.
Real guilt is when you put yourself in the shoes of the other human being and try to understand his pain specially if you have caused it. Guilt does not come from possibly being punished by a father who loves me but who will also send me to burn for eternity. A child looks for a reward after a good deed, and is affraid of the punishment coming his way if he doesn't do "the right thing". I feel people who are hidding under the concept of religion have not come out of that infant mental state.
I did not become a rationalist in college, I completely broke away from the promises and fears of religion when I was 13 years old. My own father who was a priest for 10 years is a rationalist today and sees the world with the humbleness of not knowing everything, of not knowing how things started or how they will end.
And I like him, like many I feel safer outside the arrogant and fantastic ways of religion... with its explanations for everything, from beginning to end.
Religion's sorry purpose is so transparent to someone who's deeply study the fascinating field of theology, a field that shows nothing more than our need to worship the unknown; transparent even if it hides in the most deceiving ways behind the concept of love.
Will you do that please? will you talk to your invisible beings? that way I'm not punish for not worshiping them.
Here's the logic of praying. God has a divine for all of us, but if you pray something different than what his will is then you are praying for something you want and which is not necessarily part of this Divine Plan.
At the end you say 'let his will be done', so if you are going to let his will be done, they why bother to pray in the first place?
You are asking me to understand a principle like the existance of Santa Claus. You talk to an ivisible space daddy, it doesn't get more looney than that.
I know it brings you psychological comfort, but I understand theology very well and it only shows how much we crave to worship a figure of omnipotent authority. We've made up a lot of these figures, all representing the Sun like Horus of Egypt, Krishna of India, Dionysus of Greece, Mithra of Persia, etc.
HA! Another tactic used by those with no support. Claim something is dead, and mock those who oppose it. (i.e. "Conservatism is dead") I'm not asking you to do anything. It is not my intention to convert you. You've made up your mind. You have your OPINION, and I have mine. We will never be able to prove 100% that the other is wrong. Why is it not possible that Horus, Krishna, Yahweh, and the rest aren't describing the same being? Again, you attempt to limit God to your realm of understanding.
Wait one second! Did you just say what I think you said?
You are actually telling me that in your understanding Horus, Krishna, Yahweh, are most likely the same omnipotent being? I think I understood right, that's exactly what you said.
So, if that's the case and we all know now that all these characters are based on our relationship with the Sun from the beginning of humanity then please put your bible away, say goodbye to Christianity and welcome to Sun/Cosmos worship - like a caveman.
Yet again you stumble on the same question mark humanity has been stumbling on for centuries. Where do we come from and where are we going?
Should we investigate through science to find out what an atom is or what DNA means to our human structure?
...or should we just close our eyes and blindly accept every claim Religion professes? Well, I am glad we human beings are smarter than that and decided to investigate our biology, our geography, our chemistry and overall reality.
Asking a bipedal primate like you and I to justify the origin of matter/energy is as RIDICULOUS as asking a butterfly to understand and explain calculus.
Either you start accepting your humanity with its limitations as well as its advantages over other living animals in this reality or you will find yourself believing in fictional stories of supernatural beings who seem to know everything which is what our ancestors (who didn't understand this world like we do - earthquakes, hurricanes, lighting, etc) wanted.
Crazy people think their imaginary friends are true also, you are no different but you are entitled to your crazyiness since it seems to give you the psychological comfort you look for.
Wait a second sunshine, what fictional history did I talk about? I clearly said I have no fictional stories (unlike religion) to explain the origin of life/matter/the cosmos/etc.
Don't flip this cake on me, I like many rationalists are humble enough to say "I don't know but we are working on finding out more everyday", on the OTHER HAND people who believe in religion accept fictional stories of talking snakes, 7 day periods for the creation of the universe and mankind made out of mud ;)
Is your brain blocked out or something? didn't I make it more than CLEAR that for a bipedal primate (us) with a biological brain limitation of understanding of this reality is uncapable of grasping the origin/purpose/and possible end (if there's even such a thing) of everything around us. Yet again I mention it (in case you are still mentaly blocked to this fact) it's as RIDICULOUS as expecting a butterfly to understand calculus, it simply isn't within its brain capacity.
Religion overlooks this fact and ends up making things up.. while the non religious people wisely spend their time looking for clues through science. If we had relied only on Religion in the history of human kind (as it asks us to do) and never followed our instinct to find more through evidence and REAL KNOWLEDGE we would still be in the Dark Ages.
Most likely you will speak again of a lack of proof to support a theory based on science (which is bettern than a claim - Religion actually says its claims are true not a theory) - (a nonsense argument) and try to level our humble acceptance of not knowing everything but not wanting to believe in 'make up stories' (Religion) to the fary tales you have built your life upon.
If we are no more than "bipedal primates", or animals, then we are no different than the quadrupedal primates.
That being the case, we are nothing special.
And according to Dr. Sagan, he believes this to be true. I can only assume you support him.
This all being true, and survival of the fittest being our best way of moving forward, you must be in agreement with Hitler's attempt to create a master race, right?
After all, the 6 million Jews were nothing special in the evolutionist's mind...
You are mentally blocked. Yet again you say I claim we came from nothing (another nonsense argument).
Why do I limit myself? because I am aware we are limited (just study human brain capacity, capabilites and possible potential). Even the concept of time (origin - end) is out of a realm of understanding, as far as we know TIME is amon g 12 to more dimensions within this reality we find ourselves in.
The holographic principle states that the description of a volume of space should be thought of as encoded on a boundary to the region, preferably a light-like boundary like a gravitational horizon. For a black hole, the principle states that the description of all the objects which will ever fall in is entirely contained in surface fluctuations of the event horizon.
When you give in to Religious beliefs you automaticaly stop the pursuit of truth and REAL KNOWLEDGE through an honest investigation process and instead give in to a fantasy that attempts to explain everything.
Even though I write this opinion I know the debate concluded once you started going on a vicious circle which clearly demonstrated you didn't read my comments or even worse you blocked them out and continued your never ending loop.
All and all I conclude this debate by making it clear that your 'Herd Mentality" (the basis of every religious person) doesn't allow you to say I AM A HUMAN BEING WHO HAS ACCEPTED THAT WE WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING IN THIS REALITY (you rather give Religion some credibility - empty claims that are used for only phychological comfort of humans like you).
Good job. I have to hand it too you. You can really say a lot, and still say nothing at all.
Something our current president has mastered as well.
There are religious scientists the world over, discovering new things, and coming up with completely logical ways of tying them directly into what the Bible teaches.
We continue to search, we continue to affirm our beliefs, all hand in hand with modern science.
You are stuck on the improbability of evolution I see, .. more nonsense. It is this characteristic which makes evolution a theory not a fact (big whoop!), I take a theory based on logical thought, study of possible evidence, mathematical probability, etc ... over Religion and its fantasy claims from out of thin air.
Even if the theory of evolution is wrong I have accepted my nature with its benefits and its limitations, I live without the need to find the answer to everything on fables or theories,.... a person who has accepted this truth is open to live life uninfluenced by the possibility of understanding the for ever unknown.
In your loop you are just the butterfly trying to understand calculus and because and because it can't and never will be able to, has made up God in it tiny little brain to find the comfort it needs because calculus is just impossible to understand..
In the course of this conversation, you have gone from a devout evolutionist believer to now completely doubting the evolutionary theory, even though your video counterpart believes it to be unquestionable fact.
If you can't even make an educated guess as to the beginning, how can you presume to understand how we got to where we are now?
And yes, it is an educated guess to believe in a being that transcends time and space, which saw fit to create the universe we live in.
You are a butterfly trying to understand calculus,... simply impossible and the more you push it the more ridiculous you become, you've pushed it so much and so far that you actually believe in imaginary beings now.
You didn't give me any respect, you simply can't. You are stuck in a never ending loop. You even make things up about my statements (life came out of nothing or the latest "I believe in the statistically impossible").
So, since you live in this unbreakable loop where you can't accept that we humans are not meant to know everything I can only say that.. you are right, I'm wrong, talking snakes do exist, the world and universe was created in 7 days, supernatural invisible people exist, etc. :)
Mr. Loop, this is what your limited brain doesn understand. I don't have a belief system, belief systems are for people who need an explanation for everything that is (a buttefly trying to understand calculus).
Yet again you make up more things about me to make a point, I'm not surprised. I never even said God doesn't exist, I said I can't prove or disprove its existance because I find it IRRELAVANT.
Religion = FANTASY = ANSWERS to your brain in that loop.
You wish so much that there was a God watching over you, maybe there is, maybe there isnt,.. once again IT'S IRRELEVANT.
The only reason why you want it be real is because you are fear of being alone, without purpose and meaning in this life.
I don't need that psychological comfort, somehow my adult brain let me see very clear that thinking there are invisible beings with supernatural powers is SILLY.
I watched the videos, they are silly and within the loop you live in.
The concept of God is irrelevant not I, once again you flip what I say around to try to make a point from that corner of insanity you call a belief system.
I'm relevant to a lot of people, my family, friends, girlfriend, clients, collegues, etc. I am irrelevant to people who don't really know me or deal with me on the weekly or monthly basis.
Now do you understand what I meant by irrelevant or do you want to mix things up even more? you think it helps your argument.... whatever that is.
Anyway, ..this isn't going anywhere, if I want to talk to people with imaginary friends I should really just visit the local mental hospital here in Miami; this is why most people around me are non religious, so you never hear them saying things bad or good are happening because of some invisible/mute/insipid character from some book he didn't himself write.
I didn't start anything, I just made a comment expressing how silly people are, with their human-like supernatural invisible friends. One who really UNDERSTANDS theology comes to this clear conclusion very easily.
But don't study theology please, it will only kill that psychological comfort you get from your belief in Santa Claus/Jesus/Budah or whatever your invisible man's name is.
If you won't offer support for evolution, then you don't think that is true.
If you truly studied theology, and have seen all the various religions in the world that all share common threads, and you believe them all to be wrong.
Are you just content with not believing in anything?
If so, what drives you to insult me, or others, for believing in something for which you cannot disprove?
Good to see you base your understanding on movies... :-/
Why do you have to "believe" (to accept something as truth without any palpable evidence of it being real) ... in order to be happy?
Imagine for one second if our world was more realistic and instead of simply "believing" in something (done only for psychological comfort) would instead rely on its findings through science, mathematics, etc to understand the reality we live in and to accept our limitations with humbleness.
You might need to believe in God to feel complete, I just don't.
My comments might sound like insults by the are nothing more than frustruation, I feel (like many) that we were born in a world of crazy people who NEED to have a relationship with an all knowing all powerful imaginary/invisible being.
I don't have that need, or the need to understand EVERYTHING about this reality. I am quite happy and full of peace accepting my biological truth which comes with the acceptance of the limits of our brains and its potential of understanding.
I don't base my understanding on movies, that's just your sorry attempt to insult my opinion on the subject. The movie I showed you regarding the different figures which share the same characteristics of your SunGod Jesus only shows what I have already learned through years of studying (onsite and academicaly) the world of Theology. It's this understanding of parallel realities that allows me to see the only truth about religion (and it isn't LOVE), we just dont want to feel alone in the world.
What a contradiction right? why do we even need science if God is already giving us all the answers on that book written by him through humans (?).
Lets go back to that crossing roads of science and religion. Religion gave people answers to our beginning, end and overall purpose, so alchemists and the beginnings of science were treated as witchcraft and nonsense.
If we had only taken Religion as our only source of knowledge, today's world of science and understanding simply wouldn't exist.
If you want to worship a possible creator (I honestly think NOTHING deserves to be worshiped - that's a very odd human complex of inferiority), but if you wan to, then why the REPEATED THROUGH HUMAN HISTORY CHARACTER on the Bible?
Why not HORUS from Egypt? older than Jesus, so why is one more important than the other? and how about all the other ones before Jesus who happen to have the same characteristics?
Science was born by not accepting religious claims, and instead became REAL KNOWLDEGE.
Actually, the Bible is the one religious text that gets all the science right. The people of that time couldn't have possibly known the things that they wrote to be true. And yet, as we discover more, we know them to be true.
Inspired?
Mr. Clayton gives a presentation on why the Bible is different than any other religious manuscript.
This link will be incredibly messy, but blame YT, not me:
The fact that you blame your alcoholism on outside influences demonstrates your inability to take personal responsibility for your own actions. Be careful, your sobriety is based on a very shaky foundation of self-denial. I hope you drink sooner rather than later and I hope you have your gun nearby when you get drunk. Then maybe you can join your nutcase Mommy in hell.
Palpable evidence of an interconected systme is EVERYWHERE, the existance of a God-like character who created it ISN'T.
In other words, until that imaginary character shows up or materialize in some way during this ripple of time we are in and introduce him/herself to us, this "God" will remain in our imagination and the all-time religious cop out - FAITH will be the only applicable answer religious people will have.
I don't need to PERSONIFY energy/the cosmos or anything else, I accept it as it is.. "unknown and in the process of never ending investigation through REAL KNOWLDEGE",.. and I'm in total peace with that.
But if you take the statements of one man as fact, and not check them, you're only hurting yourself.
He is wrong on the number of scientists who believe in intelligent design, and he mucks with the numbers of religious people who believe in evolution.
He's trying to convince you that all those religious people believe in his version of evolution.
And that just isn't the case.
They believe in a form of evolution, within the same kind of animal.
We, as creationists, know that the story of Noah could not have meant to convey that Noah had Labradors, Golden Retrievers, and Chihuahuas, etc on board. But he did have some breed of canine.
From that, all the rest could "evolve" into what we have today.
But that is a VERY large step from believing that dogs, ducks, horses, and humans all share the same ancestor.
I hope you've at least tried to check this man's claims.
You pose wrong, I'm very relevant to those people and so are they to me.
For the milliionth time, I don't claim the theory of evolution is mine or is the basis of my life, I simply take it as a theory (better than an EMPTY CLAIM - aka Religion) which attempts to explain our origin.
I'm special to myself, to the people I love and who love me back (LOVE has absolutely NOTHING to do with Religion). Whether I'm special in the Cosmos or not is irrelevant.
"Your own parents are ashamed when you do something stupid. Why would a creator be any different?"
Wow, for someone who is a father you really have the mentality of a child. Your limited human brain pictures this "creator" as human-like character who would feel "ashamed" of something or someone.
You remind me of the apes worshiping their ape-like God Simos lol
It does work for me and my life is amazing here in Miami, I have a lot of friends and family members. I am a very spiritual person but always with my feet on the ground.
So no invisible supernatural beings or the hope/fears they might bring.
For many of us non religious people being "Spiritual" means (at the very least) to nurture thoughts, words, and actions that are in harmony with the idea that the entire universe is, in some way, connected; even if only by the mysterious flow of cause and effect at every scale.
So we generally feel that as we go about our lives striving to be personally healthy and happy, we should also be striving to help the world around us be healthy and happy - Wholistic Ethics.
Very easily. I am aware that we are bipedal primates, with a brain that has a certain capability to understand the reality we find ourselves in. So first I accept this fact about my nature and therefore I understand that I'm not supposed to KNOW everything.
On the other hand you and your religious fary tales overlook this very real fact, that our brains, minds and overall understanding have a limit. So, in the search for psychological comfort you accept fantasies from our fearful ancestors.
Your voice reaches the masses tell the beings to be nature friendly, the cause/effect reality is important. Where do you get your energy to promote good, is it from a good source with good actions?
Yes Glenn, you know absolutely everything there is to know about pain and suffering in the lowest rungs of socioeconomic America. You totally have a right to call people who claim they can't make it on their own lazy and worthy of a "refiner's fire" to the buttock. Because you made it. Because you've seen it all.
Sorry to burst your bubble Glen, but there are people who have gone through ten, twenty times the shit you have gone through. And frankly, some of them simply can't make it.
Glenn Beck has sold his soul to the Bilderberg Group and is selling out humans for a paycheck ,fuck u beck n The Bilderberg Group paycheck, people are waking up to your lies for that evil bunch
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Dude! Glenn Beck is a pioneer in a corrupt media. He's the only one in mainstream media to have enough balls to say what he says. Give him a chance. No one can unload the whole truth on people at once. Its too much. So he is slowly revealing it and I have no doubt he'll soon touch on the Bilderbergs and the other fucknut societies.
What I said up there about Glenn Beck i completely take back. Seriously! I liked what he was doing up until his recent "debunking" campaign. he attacks us who know there is no income tax law, those of us who know 911 was an inside job and he looks to the creepy little prick from Popular mechanics, Jim Meig for all the "debunking". For a while I thought it was cool someone in the MSM was touching on issues important to us. Now its obvious Glenn doesn't want to hurt his 50 million dollar contract
The U.S. Tax Code is law. It was passed by Congress and signed by the President. Any additions to it are also law, including the imposition of an income tax.
Do I think we should have a personal income tax?
NO!
More money in the hands of people, to spend as they choose, and a continuation of the corporate income tax, would generate more than enough revenue to the government.
But, do I believe there indeed is an income tax law?
YES!
Research those who oppose your view. You might learn something.
How exactly have the countless people that would have to have been involved, been forced to keep quite?
We can't keep pictures of Phelp's bong hit from going viral, yet the government has successfully silences hundreds of people who had to be involved in the planning and execution of the largest loss of civilian life in this country's history?
Are you kidding?
The protection for the whistle blower would be impenetrable, and the fame would be astounding. And yet...
Well of course, if you were involved in the 911 conspiracy, you would run right out there and tell everyone:"I just participated in the mass slaughter of 4000 American citizens!!!". Obviously you have no understanding of compartmentalization. If you had a net worth of 160 TRILLION dollars as the bankers who own the federal reserve and have total control over the federal government, and the presidents kid brother Marvin Bush is head of WTC security, could you pull it off? Slightly likely, huh?
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No my friend, it is not likely in the least.
You know what is more likely?
A cave meeting between anti-American Muslims who wished to strike a blow at America that would resonate deeper than the attacks on the Cole or any previous attack.
A group of 19 men, armed with the training and tools to harm and intimidate entire planes of people, and force their way into the cockpit.
Fly those planes using the training they received, and smash them into two symbols of American capitalism, all for Allah.
Wow, you really like the supernatural and unbelievable right? I can share with you that on 2003 we did an onsite study of 911 (Univ. of Miami). The official version doesn't add up by a long shot.
But you are not counting right, because 8 of those 19 men who came to kill themselves and kill us are still alive and asking why they were acussed of something like 911. Bdg 7 fell at the speed of gravity and no plane touched it while the BBC said it had fallen 60 minutes before it actually did.
Conspiracy Theory - Term used to belittle the real story and evidence behind logical and important claims. People obsessed with rightousness usually automatically side with the inmediate figure of authority, in this case the government.
When one understands American History, understands the motives and means for a change of political view to engage in very profitable wars, to take away the people's liberty, to continue a shift torwards authoritarianism
One realizes why the Gulf of Tonkin incident happened, or why were Australian warnings of a strong japanese airforce detail was moving torwards Pearl Harbor ignored. When you find out that your president's grand father (Prescott Bush) was the owner of a Nazi bank you see the real relationship between money creators (private banks hiding behind the word "federal") and government.
911 enabled a lot of these abuses on the people of America and the world. Illegal wars, massive inflation, the Patriot Act, and a priceless state of massive fear where We The People are willing to give up all our power to our number one servant, government.
kauboy9816 "I should have guessed you'd fall into the conspiracy nut group too"
LOL,.. are you serious? the Patriot Act did nothing against the Constitution? Are you really serious?
These federal agents can now 'write themselves' a warrant without the approval of a judge (as mandated by our Constitution) and are free to break in your home, arrest you and not even tell you why. You can be detained and taken to a secret prison without the any rights.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Fourth Amendment does permit searches and seizures that are considered reasonable,
so the police have probable cause to believe they can find evidence that you committed a crime, and a judge issues a search warrant.
U.S. District Judge Ann Aiken ruled that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, as amended by the Patriot Act, "now permits the executive branch of government to conduct surveillance and searches of American citizens without satisfying the probable cause requirements of the Fourth Amendment."
Section 213 of the USA Patriot Act,11 enacted on 10.26.2001, contains the first express statutory authorization for the issuance of sneak and peek search warrants in American history. Sec 213 is not restricted to terrorists or terrorism offenses; it may used in connection with any federal crime, including misdemeanors. Sec213 is one of the provisions of the USA Patriot Act excepted from the Acts sunset provisions.12 To the extent Section 213 may conflict with Rule 41, Section 213 prevails.
Under 18 U. S. C. § 3103a(b), three requirements must be met before a federal court may issue a sneak and peek search warrant for evidence of a federal crime.
First, the court must find reasonable cause to believe that providing immediate notification of the execution of the warrant may have an adverse result (as defined in section 2705).
Second, the warrant must prohibit the seizure of any tangible property ... except where the court finds reasonable necessity for the seizure ... Whereas the sneak and peek warrants litigated in the Second and Ninth Circuits between 1986 and 1993 were specifically limited to intangible evidence. 18 U.S. C. § 3103a authorizes sneak and peek warrants for the seizure not only of intangibles, but also of tangibles, provided the court finds reasonable necessity for the seizure of the tangibles.
Third, the warrant must provide for the giving of notice of execution of the warrant within a reasonable period of its execution, which period may thereafter be extended by the court for good cause shown.
It is obvious that these restrictions on issuing sneak and peek search warrants border on the meaningless, especially in light of the somber reality that search warrants are issued secretly and ex parte, that they are typically issued on the basis of recurring, generalized, boilerplate allegations, and that the judicial officials who issue them tend to be rubber stamps for law enforcement.
The Patriot Act is Unconstitutional, this is not the basis of an argument but a fact.
Mr Black&White The Patriot Act is Unconstitutional when its principles go against the "real intent" of our Constitution.
If this wasn't the case then The Supreme Court would not be better than any other authoritarian entity in our system. It's the clear intent of our Constitution, backed up by logical/freedom loving writings such as the Federalist Papers or a 'wake up call - "Common Sense" by Mr. Thomas Paine that allow us to see the immaculate Liberty and overall Freedom they died for.
One thing is clear though, after talking to you about a couple of subjects of great importance, you definitely have what Dr. Stanley Milgram labeled back in the 60's as "Herd Mentality", which is blatantly shown through your need of adoration, extreme respect and even worship of figures of authority (let it be a Sun God/Cosmos or your own government).
Hopefully in your next life, if there is even such a thing, you will break away from it.
Since I do enjoy correcting your horrendous assumptions, I'll do it again.
I do not blindly shower adoration on any authority that has not earned it.
There is too much beauty and intricacy in this world for me to believe that it did not have a designer. That designer saw fit to give me life. That deserves respect and worship.
My government, however, is a different story.
There are many things that keep me from respecting it.
I simply believe that the Patriot Act was right, and is necessary.
You can state something as your opinion as long as you like, but until it is declared Unconstitutional by the courts, it is still legal law.
I understand real intent. There are many parts of the Constitution that have seen re-interpretation over the decades and that chaps me like you wouldn't believe.
But, until challenged, and properly struck down by the courts, it's still legal.
For example, the latest ruling on the D.C. gun ban.
I applauded the court's ability to discern real intent there.
Sounds like Mr. Jones is amassing his army of minions again.
You're following stories that are just as unbelievable as you claim the Bible to be, yet when it supports your pre-conceived notions, you're willing to follow blindly.
A conspiracy involving hundreds of people is not easily covered up.
Yet you continue to believe the fictional stories that support your own ideas.
You believe and talk to invisible beings buddy and you have the nerve to talk about fictional stories? lol What a hypocrite!
You are a religious freak who sides with the government on the Patriot Act, its socialist/warstate fearmongering ways and insult us Constitutionalists by calling yourself one.
Well said zombie, these people don't bother to really research the subject but they are willing to ask questions that somehow protect the bubble they are in, where the gov loves us and would never abuse our markets and liberty.
Glenn, you better get your act together regarding your comments about the lillegal wars in Iraq and Afganistan,.. they are a fraud and you still support them. That's where you lose me, that's where you should know better.. specially if you are a Constitutionalist and a Libertarian.
At the end, regardless of your awful experience at a younger age,... my gut stil tells me you are a snake..and I don't think that opinion is going to change.
So ronery.
Blinkey99 1 year ago
wow, this actually kinda improves my opinion of this jerkoff
SWGeezer 1 year ago
Can anyone else not believe a word this moron says?
bttrflykiss7701 1 year ago
so now Glenn is comparing himself to Moses?
Hm... for the first time I think im starting to get it. Somehow the right has melded Sunday morning church crazy talk with evening entertainment shows. Slap a name like 'NEWS' on it and you have Fox.
bdhcarbon 1 year ago
she should have taken you with her! SCUMBAG
glgeelow 1 year ago
"my mother was a alcoholic" no fucking shit. the reason why she killed herself is that she could not stand you.
monsterMike18 1 year ago
For the first time, I feel empathy for this man.
Pilgrim812 1 year ago
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joscobo 1 year ago
Are you seriously giving me a thumbs down?
You're the only one that's been responding, and yet all my responses get a thumbs down.
You can deny it all you want, but that's just another sad function of an unhappy person.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
This story explains a lot about this guy Nuts
ericfg1 2 years ago
This is the most embarrassing piece of bullshit I have seen in many, many years, this pseudo confessional claptrap. Beck is good at exposing some of the issues ignored by the media, but there is something very creepy, phony and unhinged about this man. Recall his operation on live TV. He has consciously assumed the role of the guy in Network. Let me suggest that a greater problem in our world is this very confessional, Oprah-like approach to life. It appeals to a low element of our psyche.
MarcusCMarcellus 2 years ago 3
Will the real Glen Beck stand up! I don't believe your him any more than Dave who has the Alex Jones channel is Alex Jones.
ApocalypticFervor 2 years ago
If God is reshaping us, he should certainly start with chubby Glenn Beck.
FussbettSanitario 2 years ago 2
"god doesnt test us"
well glenn, explain dinosaurs then
SmashedBobNoPants 2 years ago 6
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Well, he never stated that God tests us. He said God doesn't play games.
As for your infatuation with attempting to disprove God because of the Dinosaurs, please prove to me that man and dinosaurs lived at different times.
Using scientific "dating" methods will prove useless, as they are all flawed in many ways.
If you're truly curious, go to AnswersInGenesis(dot)org and do a little searching on the age of the earth and dinos.
Just because you don't like the answer, doesn't mean it's wrong ;-)
kauboy9816 2 years ago
The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
Yeah, that makes total sense.
Everyday there are more people who have figured out the truth, that Santa Claus and Jesus are the same person.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
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Well, I'm glad you fully understand everything.
That must be very gratifying.
The greatest concoction Satan ever created was smugness mixed with arrogance and vanity.
A bittersweet mix indeed. Glad you enjoy it though!
Have a blessed day!
:-)
kauboy9816 2 years ago
Satan? oh that's right,.. that's the bad guy in your childish story right?
I like the Lord of The Rings better,.. why don't you talk about that one?
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
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Yes yes, you've got it all figured out.
When you can come up with what happened pre big ban, you let me know ;-)
Strict science says you cannot create mass/energy out of nothing, so you must have some explanation.
At least my story doesn't involve me coming from mud and the loins of a monkey fish.
That's just gross.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
That's the thing, I don't have it all figured out and I'm ok with it. You make it very clear that you don't have sound understanding of sience (mud and loins? what are you 10 years old?).
Your story involves talking snakes, burning bushes and so many other silly things. On the other hand science and technology have given us what religion never did - REAL KNOWLEDGE. We don't assume to know everything unlike religion, we are humble enough to say "we are in the process of learning more".
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
At the end, when there's a critical situation everyone like you realizes that talking to invisible supernatural beings is childish and silly.
For example, if your son is critically sick and even though you 'believe' in the power of prayer... you are faced with two options. Will you take your son to church and pray through the whole weekend that he gets better (If you ask you shall receive) or will you take him to a scientist who works in a Hospital and will use technology instead of prayer?
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
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I would do both.
Is it out of your realm of understanding to fathom that the talents and abilities of those doctors could be inspired by a divine and loving father?
And thank you for proving my point.
You *don't* know everything.
Nor do I.
I simply hold to a belief that you can't comprehend.
My belief in an omnipotent being is no more unbelievable than your idea that we sparked from nothing, and through billions of years, we coalesced from mud, onto fish, then to primates, and to humans.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
The thing is, you can't do both. You see, a very long time ago the principles of Religion gave us the certainty that God had created everything in this universe along with a divine plan for each one of us; it is his will that will be done and all we could do is be loyal to him regardless of what his decisions might be.
But man realized the fallacy in this blind belief system and decided to study the the human body in order to fix the problems God couldnt fix or didn't want to fix.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
So medical science was born and people began to see the benefits or science which completely contradict the proclamations of religion.
Why not take your son to the hospital if your all knowing God knows what he needs and will answer your prayers because his scripture says he will and if he doesn't then let his will be done and your son will die. Deep inside you will go against your God's will and will recur to our science, the same science that says the Bible is nonsense.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
I can indeed do both.
Who are we to say that God's will isn't for me to take my son(actually I have a daughter) to a doctor, and pray God guides his hand to help her?
Prayer is answered in many ways my friend. It is normally the skeptic who demands immaculate miracles in order to be convinced.
The religious history you speak of is not one that I follow. I do not adhere to dogma or the ideals of Catholicism. I adhere to the teachings found in the Bible. Not to the contrived doctrine of man.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
But the Bible is nothing but a compilation of copies from other books, such as the Book of the Dead (Egypt). We have arrived at the age of modern science and medicine because human beings decided not to rely on the proclamations of the Bible where God has the final word, and if he does we would never have had the need to look for solutions to our health problems.
You see, you talk to invisible beings because you need psychological comfort, just like a child needs Santa Claus.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
I don't wish to argue the existence of God with somebody over the internet. It's just too impersonal. So I will just leave you with this:
To proscribe the supernatural by presupposition that an atheistic interpretation of origins is the only credible explanation is dishonest and prejudicial. It forces explanations to contradict laws of science and defies the very foundational principles upon which science is derived.
Objective science is not atheistic. It is agnostic.
Surely you're objective.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
Since it seems your grasp of science is not well found it, please watch the following short video (I also see that you are open minded and mature). We simply didn't come from nothing.
watch?v=hIY-VxNFi2k
An atheistic interpretation is a stupid one because I cannot denied the exitance of God just like I can't prove it, it simply is irrelevant and that is why I consider myself an agnostic ;) and a rationalist.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
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As for the video...
Very cute.
And full of assumption.
With all the knowledge we have, and this supposed pot of chemical stew that loves clay, we still haven't been able to actually get life in a laboratory.
The assumption abound in that video, yet you accept them as fact.
We haven't been able to take current RNA, and do any mess of things to change it into DNA, yet you, and he, presume this happened on it's own through billions of years... with no actual evidence of it occurring at all.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
watch?v=BNf-P_5u_Hw I found on this video information I acquired through years in the field of theology.
Everything is backed up by evidence and logic ... two things you can't find in the bible.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
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I can't very well agree that you are an agnostic. An agnostic has tugging questions that he can't answer. You are simply an atheist who's still looking.
Perhaps your waiting on you immaculate miracle.
If you're open to seeing them, you just might.
But you have to know where, and perhaps how, to look for them.
I can't help but notice all atheists believe all Christians are dolts about science.
More assumption.
There are plenty of Creationist scientists who can happily meld science AND religion.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
No there are not,... they are silly people and the scientific community sees them as looneys.
I rather base my truth on what science finds instead of believe the childsh stories on that book of copied fables, fables manipulated by the Roman Empire and even evil King George himself.
I was actually a Catholic and my own father was a priest for 10 years before he got educated on theology. I personaly took theology for 5 years at the University of Miami in FL.
No RELIGION - My dream :)
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
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I've noticed many folks, who've fallen away, came from Catholicism.
I think that's the fault of the hypocrisy found in the Catholic church.
So, you start looking elsewhere and wanting to disprove those who you feel wronged you in some way.
It's also humorous to see how many are converted while in college.
Such a susceptible time for young adults.
Easily manipulated and looking for some way to feel better about their nefarious activities.
So they choose to give up on religion.
No guilt, no worry.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
Real guilt is when you put yourself in the shoes of the other human being and try to understand his pain specially if you have caused it. Guilt does not come from possibly being punished by a father who loves me but who will also send me to burn for eternity. A child looks for a reward after a good deed, and is affraid of the punishment coming his way if he doesn't do "the right thing". I feel people who are hidding under the concept of religion have not come out of that infant mental state.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
I did not become a rationalist in college, I completely broke away from the promises and fears of religion when I was 13 years old. My own father who was a priest for 10 years is a rationalist today and sees the world with the humbleness of not knowing everything, of not knowing how things started or how they will end.
And I like him, like many I feel safer outside the arrogant and fantastic ways of religion... with its explanations for everything, from beginning to end.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
Religion's sorry purpose is so transparent to someone who's deeply study the fascinating field of theology, a field that shows nothing more than our need to worship the unknown; transparent even if it hides in the most deceiving ways behind the concept of love.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
I'm so sorry you feel this way.
I'll pray for you ;-)
kauboy9816 2 years ago
Will you do that please? will you talk to your invisible beings? that way I'm not punish for not worshiping them.
Here's the logic of praying. God has a divine for all of us, but if you pray something different than what his will is then you are praying for something you want and which is not necessarily part of this Divine Plan.
At the end you say 'let his will be done', so if you are going to let his will be done, they why bother to pray in the first place?
Religion = Childish logic.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
Your understanding of divinity is the childish logic here.
Do you understand the concept of omnipotence?
I would think not.
Who are you to limit God to being able to follow one specified plan?
How arrogant!
You lack the understanding to comprehend that the answer to my prayer can be one branch of the plan, and a different answer is a different branch.
Countless possibilities.
It's no less believable than the concept of infinite universes.
For all your study, you still don't understand...
kauboy9816 2 years ago
You are asking me to understand a principle like the existance of Santa Claus. You talk to an ivisible space daddy, it doesn't get more looney than that.
I know it brings you psychological comfort, but I understand theology very well and it only shows how much we crave to worship a figure of omnipotent authority. We've made up a lot of these figures, all representing the Sun like Horus of Egypt, Krishna of India, Dionysus of Greece, Mithra of Persia, etc.
Education killed Religion.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
kauboy9816 2 years ago
Wait one second! Did you just say what I think you said?
You are actually telling me that in your understanding Horus, Krishna, Yahweh, are most likely the same omnipotent being? I think I understood right, that's exactly what you said.
So, if that's the case and we all know now that all these characters are based on our relationship with the Sun from the beginning of humanity then please put your bible away, say goodbye to Christianity and welcome to Sun/Cosmos worship - like a caveman.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
watch?v=BNf-P_5u_Hw
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
I stated nothing.
I posed a question to you to actually get you to think about something, and you immediately jump to an assumption that I'm a sun worshiper?
You need help man.
You don't wish to even consider the plausibility, just immediately respond with more negativity.
You're a tedious person to chat with.
And very contradictory too.
You've stated that you don't know everything.
Yet, somehow you know God does not exist.
You're both fascinating, and depressing at the same time.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
To jump back to a previous point, when I asked you to explain how we came from nothing.
Your response was a video about how evolutionists believe life started.
My intention was to have you answer where everything came from.
Essentially, you must believe that everything in the universe came from nothing. You don't have an explanation for the origin of matter/energy.
To assume that energy "always was", is strikingly similar to my belief that God "always was."
How do you justify your position?
kauboy9816 2 years ago
I've been thinking about it, and I should revise my question, in order to avoid assuming anything, as I've accused you of doing.
What is, and how do you justify, your position on the origin of matter/energy?
Also, how do you respond to the mathematical improbabilities of the evolutionary theory?
As the gentleman in your earlier video professed, nothing can be proven unless done so mathematically.
So, when math is used to show the near impossibility of evolution, how can you still believe it?
kauboy9816 2 years ago
Yet again you stumble on the same question mark humanity has been stumbling on for centuries. Where do we come from and where are we going?
Should we investigate through science to find out what an atom is or what DNA means to our human structure?
...or should we just close our eyes and blindly accept every claim Religion professes? Well, I am glad we human beings are smarter than that and decided to investigate our biology, our geography, our chemistry and overall reality.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
Asking a bipedal primate like you and I to justify the origin of matter/energy is as RIDICULOUS as asking a butterfly to understand and explain calculus.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
Either you start accepting your humanity with its limitations as well as its advantages over other living animals in this reality or you will find yourself believing in fictional stories of supernatural beings who seem to know everything which is what our ancestors (who didn't understand this world like we do - earthquakes, hurricanes, lighting, etc) wanted.
I don't think I can get any more clear than this.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
So basically, you have no answers to either of the questions I asked.
You hold no opinion on either subject and use the cop out that you don't know everything.
I said I didn't know everything.
But, unlike you, I'm open to the possibility that there is a supernatural being guiding us along the path.
I'm glad we started investigating too. With every new discovery, we get closer to proving intelligent design.
Sorry you don't want to accept it.
But it's true :-)
kauboy9816 2 years ago
Crazy people think their imaginary friends are true also, you are no different but you are entitled to your crazyiness since it seems to give you the psychological comfort you look for.
Take care and enjoy your invisible friend.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
You take care as well, and enjoy your fictional history :-)
kauboy9816 2 years ago
Wait a second sunshine, what fictional history did I talk about? I clearly said I have no fictional stories (unlike religion) to explain the origin of life/matter/the cosmos/etc.
Don't flip this cake on me, I like many rationalists are humble enough to say "I don't know but we are working on finding out more everyday", on the OTHER HAND people who believe in religion accept fictional stories of talking snakes, 7 day periods for the creation of the universe and mankind made out of mud ;)
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
No proof to support your theory, only a chain of assumptions, makes it just as much fiction as you claim mine to be.
Again with that "rationalist" claim... yet you still won't answer the statistical impossibility of evolution... very telling indeed.
Have a great day!
kauboy9816 2 years ago
Is your brain blocked out or something? didn't I make it more than CLEAR that for a bipedal primate (us) with a biological brain limitation of understanding of this reality is uncapable of grasping the origin/purpose/and possible end (if there's even such a thing) of everything around us. Yet again I mention it (in case you are still mentaly blocked to this fact) it's as RIDICULOUS as expecting a butterfly to understand calculus, it simply isn't within its brain capacity.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
Religion overlooks this fact and ends up making things up.. while the non religious people wisely spend their time looking for clues through science. If we had relied only on Religion in the history of human kind (as it asks us to do) and never followed our instinct to find more through evidence and REAL KNOWLEDGE we would still be in the Dark Ages.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
Most likely you will speak again of a lack of proof to support a theory based on science (which is bettern than a claim - Religion actually says its claims are true not a theory) - (a nonsense argument) and try to level our humble acceptance of not knowing everything but not wanting to believe in 'make up stories' (Religion) to the fary tales you have built your life upon.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
It is completely within our realm of understanding to know that this universe had a beginning. It's expansion proves it started somewhere
It's also within our understanding to know the origin.
Based on our own laws of science, we know energy had to come from somewhere.
I pose it came from an existing source.
You pose it came from nothing, which is a logical impossibility if you are to also believe in the law of conservation of energy.
I certainly *CAN* understand this.
Why do YOU limit yourself?
kauboy9816 2 years ago
If we are no more than "bipedal primates", or animals, then we are no different than the quadrupedal primates.
That being the case, we are nothing special.
And according to Dr. Sagan, he believes this to be true. I can only assume you support him.
This all being true, and survival of the fittest being our best way of moving forward, you must be in agreement with Hitler's attempt to create a master race, right?
After all, the 6 million Jews were nothing special in the evolutionist's mind...
kauboy9816 2 years ago
Either you fully support evolution, and all it's teachings, or you question it and conclude that we indeed are something special.
That those lives lost were precious.
That we are not mere animals in some chain of accidents.
We are purposeful.
We have a creator.
And, we are special.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
Truthfully, my comment about your fictional history was an attempt at brevity at the conclusion of a debate.
You insult my belief, I insult yours, and we part ways.
But if you wish to continue this, by all means, do so.
I'm up for it.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
You are mentally blocked. Yet again you say I claim we came from nothing (another nonsense argument).
Why do I limit myself? because I am aware we are limited (just study human brain capacity, capabilites and possible potential). Even the concept of time (origin - end) is out of a realm of understanding, as far as we know TIME is amon g 12 to more dimensions within this reality we find ourselves in.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
The holographic principle states that the description of a volume of space should be thought of as encoded on a boundary to the region, preferably a light-like boundary like a gravitational horizon. For a black hole, the principle states that the description of all the objects which will ever fall in is entirely contained in surface fluctuations of the event horizon.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
When you give in to Religious beliefs you automaticaly stop the pursuit of truth and REAL KNOWLEDGE through an honest investigation process and instead give in to a fantasy that attempts to explain everything.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
Even though I write this opinion I know the debate concluded once you started going on a vicious circle which clearly demonstrated you didn't read my comments or even worse you blocked them out and continued your never ending loop.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
All and all I conclude this debate by making it clear that your 'Herd Mentality" (the basis of every religious person) doesn't allow you to say I AM A HUMAN BEING WHO HAS ACCEPTED THAT WE WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING IN THIS REALITY (you rather give Religion some credibility - empty claims that are used for only phychological comfort of humans like you).
...SOMETHING RELIGION SIMPLY DOES NOT DO.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
Wow, still nothing solid.
Good job. I have to hand it too you. You can really say a lot, and still say nothing at all.
Something our current president has mastered as well.
There are religious scientists the world over, discovering new things, and coming up with completely logical ways of tying them directly into what the Bible teaches.
We continue to search, we continue to affirm our beliefs, all hand in hand with modern science.
Do yourself a favor, research John N. Clayton.
;-)
kauboy9816 2 years ago
You can call me whatever you wish.
It is you that continues to dodge my question.
You claim to be a rationalist, yet won't address the improbability of evolution.
Until you clear up this contradiction, let alone all the others, I can't see why I should continue answering your question.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
...and the loop continues.
You are stuck on the improbability of evolution I see, .. more nonsense. It is this characteristic which makes evolution a theory not a fact (big whoop!), I take a theory based on logical thought, study of possible evidence, mathematical probability, etc ... over Religion and its fantasy claims from out of thin air.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
Even if the theory of evolution is wrong I have accepted my nature with its benefits and its limitations, I live without the need to find the answer to everything on fables or theories,.... a person who has accepted this truth is open to live life uninfluenced by the possibility of understanding the for ever unknown.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
In your loop you are just the butterfly trying to understand calculus and because and because it can't and never will be able to, has made up God in it tiny little brain to find the comfort it needs because calculus is just impossible to understand..
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
So sad, and so wrong.
In the course of this conversation, you have gone from a devout evolutionist believer to now completely doubting the evolutionary theory, even though your video counterpart believes it to be unquestionable fact.
If you can't even make an educated guess as to the beginning, how can you presume to understand how we got to where we are now?
And yes, it is an educated guess to believe in a being that transcends time and space, which saw fit to create the universe we live in.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
I'm not "stuck" on anything.
I'm simply using the same tactic atheists use all the time.
Find something for which the other person can't provide and answer to without admitting error, and apply pressure.
The proper pressure was applied, and you cracked.
It's quite the effective tactic, don't you think?
I'd be happy to continue this on to a different topic.
Take your pick.
Did you even bother looking for Mr. Clayton?
I watched your video, and another actually.
You could at least humor me.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
You are a butterfly trying to understand calculus,... simply impossible and the more you push it the more ridiculous you become, you've pushed it so much and so far that you actually believe in imaginary beings now.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
And you believe in the statistically impossible.
That must be very depressing...
I don't even need a metaphor to explain you.
Have you looked up Mr. Clayton?
Have you even given me the same respect I gave you?
Do you have that capacity?
I'm starting to believe you don't.
Simple minded people don't want to look at other views. They want to push their own, but they won't bother with anything that disagrees with them.
I'm fairly sure that categorizes you as a having a superiority complex.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
You didn't give me any respect, you simply can't. You are stuck in a never ending loop. You even make things up about my statements (life came out of nothing or the latest "I believe in the statistically impossible").
So, since you live in this unbreakable loop where you can't accept that we humans are not meant to know everything I can only say that.. you are right, I'm wrong, talking snakes do exist, the world and universe was created in 7 days, supernatural invisible people exist, etc. :)
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
Talk about loops.
You still can't offer any basis for your beliefs.
You can only hope to sidestep the whole debate by claiming I'm "stuck".
You must believe in the statistically impossible if you are a believer in evolution.
The math just doesn't add up.
So, my statement is true.
I watched the video you asked me to watch.
I offered some sense of respect to your argument. I gave it a fair viewing.
The fact that you won't return the favor proves who the close minded one is here.
Good day sir.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
Mr. Loop, this is what your limited brain doesn understand. I don't have a belief system, belief systems are for people who need an explanation for everything that is (a buttefly trying to understand calculus).
Yet again you make up more things about me to make a point, I'm not surprised. I never even said God doesn't exist, I said I can't prove or disprove its existance because I find it IRRELAVANT.
Religion = FANTASY = ANSWERS to your brain in that loop.
Invisible people exist ;)
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
I'll make it as easy as I can for you.
Start with this one:
watch?v=-ce0yt7z8M8
And if you choose to watch others, that's fantastic.
If you don't, that's fine to.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
Look, this is something difficult for most people to rationalize.
Follow me here:
YOU CAN BE AN INTELLIGENT PERSON AND STILL BELIEVE IN A CREATOR.
There is evidence everywhere that supports this.
You can research it, and find ample evidence to support, scientifically, everything that creationists believe.
You don't have to stick with one or the other.
If you don't wish to give up your scientific understanding, that's perfectly fine. You don't have to, and you can still be a creationist.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
You wish so much that there was a God watching over you, maybe there is, maybe there isnt,.. once again IT'S IRRELEVANT.
The only reason why you want it be real is because you are fear of being alone, without purpose and meaning in this life.
I don't need that psychological comfort, somehow my adult brain let me see very clear that thinking there are invisible beings with supernatural powers is SILLY.
I watched the videos, they are silly and within the loop you live in.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
I'm glad you've come to this conclusion.
This is a wonderful argument for stating that you, yourself, are irrelevant.
Wow, that's a load off my shoulders.
And here I was, this whole time, trying to rationalize with an irrelevant being.
Silly me.
At least now I don't feel the need to respond anymore.
I can't help but wonder though...
If it's all irrelevant, why did you rebut me in the first place?
Again, your logic fails you.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
The concept of God is irrelevant not I, once again you flip what I say around to try to make a point from that corner of insanity you call a belief system.
I'm relevant to a lot of people, my family, friends, girlfriend, clients, collegues, etc. I am irrelevant to people who don't really know me or deal with me on the weekly or monthly basis.
Now do you understand what I meant by irrelevant or do you want to mix things up even more? you think it helps your argument.... whatever that is.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
Anyway, ..this isn't going anywhere, if I want to talk to people with imaginary friends I should really just visit the local mental hospital here in Miami; this is why most people around me are non religious, so you never hear them saying things bad or good are happening because of some invisible/mute/insipid character from some book he didn't himself write.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
And you still never answered why you started this all in the first place, if the existence of God is so irrelevant to begin with...
kauboy9816 2 years ago
I didn't start anything, I just made a comment expressing how silly people are, with their human-like supernatural invisible friends. One who really UNDERSTANDS theology comes to this clear conclusion very easily.
But don't study theology please, it will only kill that psychological comfort you get from your belief in Santa Claus/Jesus/Budah or whatever your invisible man's name is.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
You understand very little actually.
You can't claim to understand anything, but only wisp through life insulting others for their beliefs, while never holding on to any of your own.
My mentality is quite mature.
Yours, however, is very minimal.
In denying that you were created, you completely ignore all the evidence that says you were.
You can continue to believe in theology, and be sure to use that excuse when you meet the heavenly father.
Again, I hope that works out for you.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
Ok, I have to ask.
What do you believe?
If you won't offer support for evolution, then you don't think that is true.
If you truly studied theology, and have seen all the various religions in the world that all share common threads, and you believe them all to be wrong.
Are you just content with not believing in anything?
If so, what drives you to insult me, or others, for believing in something for which you cannot disprove?
Good to see you base your understanding on movies... :-/
kauboy9816 2 years ago
Why do you have to "believe" (to accept something as truth without any palpable evidence of it being real) ... in order to be happy?
Imagine for one second if our world was more realistic and instead of simply "believing" in something (done only for psychological comfort) would instead rely on its findings through science, mathematics, etc to understand the reality we live in and to accept our limitations with humbleness.
You might need to believe in God to feel complete, I just don't.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
My comments might sound like insults by the are nothing more than frustruation, I feel (like many) that we were born in a world of crazy people who NEED to have a relationship with an all knowing all powerful imaginary/invisible being.
I don't have that need, or the need to understand EVERYTHING about this reality. I am quite happy and full of peace accepting my biological truth which comes with the acceptance of the limits of our brains and its potential of understanding.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
I don't base my understanding on movies, that's just your sorry attempt to insult my opinion on the subject. The movie I showed you regarding the different figures which share the same characteristics of your SunGod Jesus only shows what I have already learned through years of studying (onsite and academicaly) the world of Theology. It's this understanding of parallel realities that allows me to see the only truth about religion (and it isn't LOVE), we just dont want to feel alone in the world.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
People are "crazy" for believing they aren't an accident of time and randomness?
The limits of our brains are pushed all the time.
Nobody believed we had the ability to understand how birds fly, and then we did.
Nobody believed we could ever understand the movement of the Earth, and then we did.
You tell Einstein that his brain can't possibly fathom the full concept of time.
The limits of our brain are self imposed.
Findings through science can prove the existence of God, my friend.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
What a contradiction right? why do we even need science if God is already giving us all the answers on that book written by him through humans (?).
Lets go back to that crossing roads of science and religion. Religion gave people answers to our beginning, end and overall purpose, so alchemists and the beginnings of science were treated as witchcraft and nonsense.
If we had only taken Religion as our only source of knowledge, today's world of science and understanding simply wouldn't exist.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
If you want to worship a possible creator (I honestly think NOTHING deserves to be worshiped - that's a very odd human complex of inferiority), but if you wan to, then why the REPEATED THROUGH HUMAN HISTORY CHARACTER on the Bible?
Why not HORUS from Egypt? older than Jesus, so why is one more important than the other? and how about all the other ones before Jesus who happen to have the same characteristics?
Science was born by not accepting religious claims, and instead became REAL KNOWLDEGE.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
Actually, the Bible is the one religious text that gets all the science right. The people of that time couldn't have possibly known the things that they wrote to be true. And yet, as we discover more, we know them to be true.
Inspired?
Mr. Clayton gives a presentation on why the Bible is different than any other religious manuscript.
This link will be incredibly messy, but blame YT, not me:
(3w's)(dot)doesgodexist(dot)tv(slash)part12(dot)html
Yes, it's long, but it will answer your question.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
Should be obvious what should change.
Change the thing in parentheses, and remove the space after "tv".
He gives excellent arguments for why the Bible can be taken as the truly inspired word of God.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
If I had given birth to Glenn Beck, I would have killed myself, too.
Brevardier1 2 years ago
The fact that you blame your alcoholism on outside influences demonstrates your inability to take personal responsibility for your own actions. Be careful, your sobriety is based on a very shaky foundation of self-denial. I hope you drink sooner rather than later and I hope you have your gun nearby when you get drunk. Then maybe you can join your nutcase Mommy in hell.
Brevardier1 2 years ago
"Palpable evidence" is EVERYWHERE!
I don't believe in order to be happy.
I believe because the evidence tells me we are no accident.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
Palpable evidence of an interconected systme is EVERYWHERE, the existance of a God-like character who created it ISN'T.
In other words, until that imaginary character shows up or materialize in some way during this ripple of time we are in and introduce him/herself to us, this "God" will remain in our imagination and the all-time religious cop out - FAITH will be the only applicable answer religious people will have.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
I don't need to PERSONIFY energy/the cosmos or anything else, I accept it as it is.. "unknown and in the process of never ending investigation through REAL KNOWLDEGE",.. and I'm in total peace with that.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
Show me an "interconnected system" that doesn't have a designer...
kauboy9816 2 years ago
/watch?v=xO7IT81h200
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
He certainly has his theatrics down.
But if you take the statements of one man as fact, and not check them, you're only hurting yourself.
He is wrong on the number of scientists who believe in intelligent design, and he mucks with the numbers of religious people who believe in evolution.
He's trying to convince you that all those religious people believe in his version of evolution.
And that just isn't the case.
They believe in a form of evolution, within the same kind of animal.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
We, as creationists, know that the story of Noah could not have meant to convey that Noah had Labradors, Golden Retrievers, and Chihuahuas, etc on board. But he did have some breed of canine.
From that, all the rest could "evolve" into what we have today.
But that is a VERY large step from believing that dogs, ducks, horses, and humans all share the same ancestor.
I hope you've at least tried to check this man's claims.
He's feeding you half-truths.
Did you bother to watch mine? The long one?
kauboy9816 2 years ago
I pose that you are indeed irrelevant to all those people.
If your theory of evolution is true, then you are simply the result of countless accidents over billions of years.
You are nothing special, and just another cog in the wheel.
Does that make you feel better?
Your own parents are ashamed when you do something stupid. Why would a creator be any different?
This probably should end.
You can't provide any evidence to support your claims, so you've resorted to mindless rambling and insults.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
You pose wrong, I'm very relevant to those people and so are they to me.
For the milliionth time, I don't claim the theory of evolution is mine or is the basis of my life, I simply take it as a theory (better than an EMPTY CLAIM - aka Religion) which attempts to explain our origin.
I'm special to myself, to the people I love and who love me back (LOVE has absolutely NOTHING to do with Religion). Whether I'm special in the Cosmos or not is irrelevant.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
"Your own parents are ashamed when you do something stupid. Why would a creator be any different?"
Wow, for someone who is a father you really have the mentality of a child. Your limited human brain pictures this "creator" as human-like character who would feel "ashamed" of something or someone.
You remind me of the apes worshiping their ape-like God Simos lol
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
It must be incredibly boring going through life with no understanding of anything.
Clinging to absolutely nothing, and never having to worry about being wrong, because you don't hold any view.
You sure like to argue as if you do, but you don't.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
God is not human.
But it is not unreasonable to believe that he does not have the capacity to feel the same things we feel.
I believe in God, and as such, he is my creator. How can a creator put a feeling into it's creation when it does not know the feeling?
I think you have a terrible misunderstanding about God. Your theology studies have taught you nothing.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
And I can't hardly see how both possibilities are equally irrelevant.
One outcome is entirely relevant.
One has consequences which you simply don't want to allow.
I'm not the one living in fear, my friend.
You fear the existence of God because you know what you've done against him.
Your best alternative is to just not believe in him.
I sincerely hope that works out for you. ;-)
kauboy9816 2 years ago
There I go, trying to rationalize with irrelevance again.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
"You fear the existence of God because you know what you've done against him."
..that one takes the cake!
Lol, this "God" is so human-like, little old me can actually do something "against" this omnipotent being.
Interesting silly people, it would honestly be really funny if it wasn't so sad.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
It does work for me and my life is amazing here in Miami, I have a lot of friends and family members. I am a very spiritual person but always with my feet on the ground.
So no invisible supernatural beings or the hope/fears they might bring.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
Ok, now you've opened up a whole new issue.
How are you "spiritual"?
What do you base that on?
This is not an attack, I'm just curious about the details.
I've heard many people say that, but they've never given an explanation.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
For many of us non religious people being "Spiritual" means (at the very least) to nurture thoughts, words, and actions that are in harmony with the idea that the entire universe is, in some way, connected; even if only by the mysterious flow of cause and effect at every scale.
So we generally feel that as we go about our lives striving to be personally healthy and happy, we should also be striving to help the world around us be healthy and happy - Wholistic Ethics.
Meditation is key.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
Very easily. I am aware that we are bipedal primates, with a brain that has a certain capability to understand the reality we find ourselves in. So first I accept this fact about my nature and therefore I understand that I'm not supposed to KNOW everything.
On the other hand you and your religious fary tales overlook this very real fact, that our brains, minds and overall understanding have a limit. So, in the search for psychological comfort you accept fantasies from our fearful ancestors.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
Jezuz Christ, this guy had it rough.
moshe88 2 years ago
This guy is pathetic!
Prohibididado 2 years ago
That took guts...
bigun89 2 years ago
Wow! Who would've guessed that there was a human being under all that hostile blubber?
traynyc 2 years ago
Your voice reaches the masses tell the beings to be nature friendly, the cause/effect reality is important. Where do you get your energy to promote good, is it from a good source with good actions?
helpmakethingsbetter 2 years ago
Yes Glenn, you know absolutely everything there is to know about pain and suffering in the lowest rungs of socioeconomic America. You totally have a right to call people who claim they can't make it on their own lazy and worthy of a "refiner's fire" to the buttock. Because you made it. Because you've seen it all.
Sorry to burst your bubble Glen, but there are people who have gone through ten, twenty times the shit you have gone through. And frankly, some of them simply can't make it.
cantstopfiddling 2 years ago
When someone shares a personal story wether it is true or not. How we receive that story is more of a reflection of how we represent ourselves.
brinov19 2 years ago 2
Glenn Beck has sold his soul to the Bilderberg Group and is selling out humans for a paycheck ,fuck u beck n The Bilderberg Group paycheck, people are waking up to your lies for that evil bunch
DomelessWonderboy 2 years ago
Glen Beck is the voice in the wilderness, Obama is the Bilderberger. Beck is bringing attention to the coming fascism.
NJTank 2 years ago
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Dude! Glenn Beck is a pioneer in a corrupt media. He's the only one in mainstream media to have enough balls to say what he says. Give him a chance. No one can unload the whole truth on people at once. Its too much. So he is slowly revealing it and I have no doubt he'll soon touch on the Bilderbergs and the other fucknut societies.
CampQwitchaBitchin 2 years ago
I guess you never saw his show on CNN..... how fast people forget.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
What I said up there about Glenn Beck i completely take back. Seriously! I liked what he was doing up until his recent "debunking" campaign. he attacks us who know there is no income tax law, those of us who know 911 was an inside job and he looks to the creepy little prick from Popular mechanics, Jim Meig for all the "debunking". For a while I thought it was cool someone in the MSM was touching on issues important to us. Now its obvious Glenn doesn't want to hurt his 50 million dollar contract
CampQwitchaBitchin 2 years ago 5
I'm so glad you saw it.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
The U.S. Tax Code is law. It was passed by Congress and signed by the President. Any additions to it are also law, including the imposition of an income tax.
Do I think we should have a personal income tax?
NO!
More money in the hands of people, to spend as they choose, and a continuation of the corporate income tax, would generate more than enough revenue to the government.
But, do I believe there indeed is an income tax law?
YES!
Research those who oppose your view. You might learn something.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
And, if 9/11 was an inside job.
How exactly have the countless people that would have to have been involved, been forced to keep quite?
We can't keep pictures of Phelp's bong hit from going viral, yet the government has successfully silences hundreds of people who had to be involved in the planning and execution of the largest loss of civilian life in this country's history?
Are you kidding?
The protection for the whistle blower would be impenetrable, and the fame would be astounding. And yet...
kauboy9816 2 years ago
Well of course, if you were involved in the 911 conspiracy, you would run right out there and tell everyone:"I just participated in the mass slaughter of 4000 American citizens!!!". Obviously you have no understanding of compartmentalization. If you had a net worth of 160 TRILLION dollars as the bankers who own the federal reserve and have total control over the federal government, and the presidents kid brother Marvin Bush is head of WTC security, could you pull it off? Slightly likely, huh?
zombie7761 2 years ago 5
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No my friend, it is not likely in the least.
You know what is more likely?
A cave meeting between anti-American Muslims who wished to strike a blow at America that would resonate deeper than the attacks on the Cole or any previous attack.
A group of 19 men, armed with the training and tools to harm and intimidate entire planes of people, and force their way into the cockpit.
Fly those planes using the training they received, and smash them into two symbols of American capitalism, all for Allah.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
Wow, you really like the supernatural and unbelievable right? I can share with you that on 2003 we did an onsite study of 911 (Univ. of Miami). The official version doesn't add up by a long shot.
But you are not counting right, because 8 of those 19 men who came to kill themselves and kill us are still alive and asking why they were acussed of something like 911. Bdg 7 fell at the speed of gravity and no plane touched it while the BBC said it had fallen 60 minutes before it actually did.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
I should have guessed you'd fall into the conspiracy nut group too.
There are certain kinds of people who will never accept the well believed story.
They will always live in a state of disbelief and scrounge to find others who disbelieve with them.
Tell me, what conspiratorial motive would anyone have for committing 9/11?
If you say oil, you're blind. We could take Saudi Arabia in a single day.
You really need to get out of the fog and start realizing that the world really is just as it seems.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
Thank you for the advise oh wise one.
Conspiracy Theory - Term used to belittle the real story and evidence behind logical and important claims. People obsessed with rightousness usually automatically side with the inmediate figure of authority, in this case the government.
When one understands American History, understands the motives and means for a change of political view to engage in very profitable wars, to take away the people's liberty, to continue a shift torwards authoritarianism
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
One realizes why the Gulf of Tonkin incident happened, or why were Australian warnings of a strong japanese airforce detail was moving torwards Pearl Harbor ignored. When you find out that your president's grand father (Prescott Bush) was the owner of a Nazi bank you see the real relationship between money creators (private banks hiding behind the word "federal") and government.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
911 enabled a lot of these abuses on the people of America and the world. Illegal wars, massive inflation, the Patriot Act, and a priceless state of massive fear where We The People are willing to give up all our power to our number one servant, government.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
Where did I ever say I was willing to give up any power?
Where did I ever use the words "conspiracy theory"?
I am a Constitutionalists, my friend.
As hard as you may wish it so, the Patriot Act did not go against the Constitution.
You have no right to privacy when utilizing public systems.
You have a right to be secure in yourself, your home, and your belongings. These cannot be taken or searched without just cause.
But your telephone conversation, over publicly funded lines, is not protected.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
kauboy9816 "I should have guessed you'd fall into the conspiracy nut group too"
LOL,.. are you serious? the Patriot Act did nothing against the Constitution? Are you really serious?
These federal agents can now 'write themselves' a warrant without the approval of a judge (as mandated by our Constitution) and are free to break in your home, arrest you and not even tell you why. You can be detained and taken to a secret prison without the any rights.
Please get a clue, and an education.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
So much fiction
And I'm the delusional one?
The Constitution does NOT require a warrant but for "unreasonable" search, sir.
Perhaps you should re-read the document.
If there is reasonable evidence that a search should be done, it can be done, and is legal.
You are a simple minded fool with a vendetta.
How can you call yourself a "rationalist", yet ignore the statistical probabilities about evolution causing all this?
I think the conservative estimate is 1 chance in 10^40,000.
I'll take my deity.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Fourth Amendment does permit searches and seizures that are considered reasonable,
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
so the police have probable cause to believe they can find evidence that you committed a crime, and a judge issues a search warrant.
U.S. District Judge Ann Aiken ruled that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, as amended by the Patriot Act, "now permits the executive branch of government to conduct surveillance and searches of American citizens without satisfying the probable cause requirements of the Fourth Amendment."
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
Section 213 of the USA Patriot Act,11 enacted on 10.26.2001, contains the first express statutory authorization for the issuance of sneak and peek search warrants in American history. Sec 213 is not restricted to terrorists or terrorism offenses; it may used in connection with any federal crime, including misdemeanors. Sec213 is one of the provisions of the USA Patriot Act excepted from the Acts sunset provisions.12 To the extent Section 213 may conflict with Rule 41, Section 213 prevails.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
Under 18 U. S. C. § 3103a(b), three requirements must be met before a federal court may issue a sneak and peek search warrant for evidence of a federal crime.
First, the court must find reasonable cause to believe that providing immediate notification of the execution of the warrant may have an adverse result (as defined in section 2705).
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
Second, the warrant must prohibit the seizure of any tangible property ... except where the court finds reasonable necessity for the seizure ... Whereas the sneak and peek warrants litigated in the Second and Ninth Circuits between 1986 and 1993 were specifically limited to intangible evidence. 18 U.S. C. § 3103a authorizes sneak and peek warrants for the seizure not only of intangibles, but also of tangibles, provided the court finds reasonable necessity for the seizure of the tangibles.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
Third, the warrant must provide for the giving of notice of execution of the warrant within a reasonable period of its execution, which period may thereafter be extended by the court for good cause shown.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
It is obvious that these restrictions on issuing sneak and peek search warrants border on the meaningless, especially in light of the somber reality that search warrants are issued secretly and ex parte, that they are typically issued on the basis of recurring, generalized, boilerplate allegations, and that the judicial officials who issue them tend to be rubber stamps for law enforcement.
The Patriot Act is Unconstitutional, this is not the basis of an argument but a fact.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
The Patriot Act will only be Unconstitutional when the Supreme Court states so, your opinion notwithstanding.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
Mr Black&White The Patriot Act is Unconstitutional when its principles go against the "real intent" of our Constitution.
If this wasn't the case then The Supreme Court would not be better than any other authoritarian entity in our system. It's the clear intent of our Constitution, backed up by logical/freedom loving writings such as the Federalist Papers or a 'wake up call - "Common Sense" by Mr. Thomas Paine that allow us to see the immaculate Liberty and overall Freedom they died for.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
One thing is clear though, after talking to you about a couple of subjects of great importance, you definitely have what Dr. Stanley Milgram labeled back in the 60's as "Herd Mentality", which is blatantly shown through your need of adoration, extreme respect and even worship of figures of authority (let it be a Sun God/Cosmos or your own government).
Hopefully in your next life, if there is even such a thing, you will break away from it.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
Since I do enjoy correcting your horrendous assumptions, I'll do it again.
I do not blindly shower adoration on any authority that has not earned it.
There is too much beauty and intricacy in this world for me to believe that it did not have a designer. That designer saw fit to give me life. That deserves respect and worship.
My government, however, is a different story.
There are many things that keep me from respecting it.
I simply believe that the Patriot Act was right, and is necessary.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
You can state something as your opinion as long as you like, but until it is declared Unconstitutional by the courts, it is still legal law.
I understand real intent. There are many parts of the Constitution that have seen re-interpretation over the decades and that chaps me like you wouldn't believe.
But, until challenged, and properly struck down by the courts, it's still legal.
For example, the latest ruling on the D.C. gun ban.
I applauded the court's ability to discern real intent there.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
Sounds like Mr. Jones is amassing his army of minions again.
You're following stories that are just as unbelievable as you claim the Bible to be, yet when it supports your pre-conceived notions, you're willing to follow blindly.
A conspiracy involving hundreds of people is not easily covered up.
Yet you continue to believe the fictional stories that support your own ideas.
You are no less a follower than I.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
You believe and talk to invisible beings buddy and you have the nerve to talk about fictional stories? lol What a hypocrite!
You are a religious freak who sides with the government on the Patriot Act, its socialist/warstate fearmongering ways and insult us Constitutionalists by calling yourself one.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
And if you try to respond with the tired "jet fuel can't melt steel" argument, then there is no hope for you, and we will be done here.
kauboy9816 2 years ago
Well said zombie, these people don't bother to really research the subject but they are willing to ask questions that somehow protect the bubble they are in, where the gov loves us and would never abuse our markets and liberty.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
Read The Christmas Sweater by him. It's a great fiction novel and it tells a lot more about his life. God bless him, hes made it through so much.
hansel4150 2 years ago
Bless you Glen! - You the man!!!
7164S 2 years ago 2
speachless..
dominicjan 2 years ago
Glenn, you better get your act together regarding your comments about the lillegal wars in Iraq and Afganistan,.. they are a fraud and you still support them. That's where you lose me, that's where you should know better.. specially if you are a Constitutionalist and a Libertarian.
At the end, regardless of your awful experience at a younger age,... my gut stil tells me you are a snake..and I don't think that opinion is going to change.
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
yep what a SNAKE! What a little fear mongering SNAKE!
hansel4150 2 years ago 10
But people forget who he was before Jefferson's ghost visited him in the middle of the night lol
Carlitos1010 2 years ago
You can't fault this guy's message.
tinstareel2 2 years ago
heavy...I feel you Beck though I don't always agree with you. May this country one day find civility.
slurppypurr 2 years ago 2
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FFS. BECK is an actor, a demogogue, an asshole.
o8QWERTYo8 2 years ago