I think that the mix presented here is absolutely beautiful. Opera is in some ways the culmination of art forms - singing (requiring some of the most dexterity of the human voice), dance, music , theatre - and it should be treated as a changing art form. The usage of 17/18th century operatic structure with a blend of experimental dance and antiquated forms is, in my opnion, absolutely brilliant and I thoroughly enjoyed the interpretation. Art's fluidity is its genius.
I agree with you plenament ene item where the opera, classical music itself, has to merge the modern with the historical. The Baroque in itself, was it is a unique style, very modern for its time when it was created and more, Rameau was an artist ahead of his time with the whole property. This piece itself, shows the perfection in our time in this beautiful book arrived, mixing of fully artistic, not just musically, but in dance and other parts attached to the general content.
The most beautiful part is the return of the artists onstage to the last strains of the Chaconne, and then just the words "Les Indes" glowing in the dark.
Rameau was an innovator and proponent of change. I think he'd be pleased that his music could still be enjoyed by people centuries later and that they would interpret it in their own unique way.
the music is very nice but the Bejart style of ballet distracts from the feeling of Rameau entirely. We are left with two seperate entiries which do not compliment one another to any purpose except to fill space and time. Why not danse a Chaconne???
I'm not crazy about the underwear commercial costumes or about the pilates studio movements but consider that Rameau (like Shakespeare) was an early modern European presented with a culture of a new people from an area where many Europeans never expected to find other humans. . . I think Rameau tried to celebrate the Native Louisiana dancers he saw . . . however, keep in mind that Rameau's time and place are as distant to us as the New World dancers were to him . . . new discoveries to celebrate
I don't get it. What has this ballet to do with anything? It's completely irrelevant and meaningless, I don't give a rat's ass HOW "beautiful" the movement is. It does NOT compliment the music, it fights it.
I don't know if I agree with that. While there are times when the movements do not seem to fit (in my opinion), there are many moments when I think they fit well. What would you propose? A historically accurate ballet or something else entirely? My background in ballet, whether historical or contemporary, is virtually non-existent. Perhaps that is why I don't see it as bad at all?
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What I advocate is movement that bespeaks something of what the music is attempting to express, the music's function, raison d'etre. etc, etc. blah, blah... zzzzzzzzz sometimes I bore myself...
I love this music with a passion... Rameau will always be one of my favorites. The coreography is enjoyable and relaxing. Also, I don't mind the half naked gorgeous men at all.
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Again, modern ballet and Baroque music don't mix, at least for me. If someone like Christie bothers to perform with original or copies of original instruments then WHY not reconstruct the choreography of that period? If you're going to do modern ballet then why not just play Rameau with a 150 piece modern symphony orchestra? NON SEQUITUR!
It's called artistic freedom. And it works just fine here. The problem with your view of historically informed practice, is that you believe these operas and ballets should only be performed one way. How restrictive!
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It's not restrictive. Then WHY use historical or copies of historical instruments? Isn't THAT being "restrictive"? Why not use a modern symphony orchestra? The Baroque master knew the rules and were genius enough to work within those rules and STILL have artistic freedom.
So you think performance of opera should be either ultra-modern or ultra-historical? You can't possibly dichotomize something like artistry. Sorry, but I don't think opera needs to be restricted to stuffy courtly dances and powdered wigs... and having seen this production live and on DVD, I don't think the audience was so adamant about Baroque choreography either. That ACTUALLY seemed to enjoy it. I could be wrong, but I think that's the intent behind such art.
@Bauldolino84 It's all about authentic musical performance coupled with modern staging. The thing is, baroque played on modern instruments sounds OLD. But when it's played on historical instruments and we hear it as it would have sounded when it had just been composed it sounds so fresh and vital and new. That marries perfectly with a fresh vital and new staging like this :D
@Bauldolino84 I agree with you plenament ene item where the opera, classical music itself, has to merge the modern with the historical. The Baroque in itself, was it is a unique style, very modern for its time when it was created and more, Rameau was an artist ahead of his time with the whole property. This piece itself, shows the perfection in our time in this beautiful book arrived, mixing of fully artistic, not just musically, but in dance and other parts attached to the general content.
@Bauldolino84 I think that the mix presented here is absolutely beautiful. Opera is in some ways the culmination of art forms - singing (requiring some of the most dexterity of the human voice), dance, music , theatre - and it should be treated as a changing art form. The usage of 17/18th century operatic structure with a blend of experimental dance and antiquated forms is, in my opnion, absolutely brilliant and I thoroughly enjoyed the interpretation. Art's fluidity is its genius.
@Bauldolino84 You are so right. I don't know to whom you are responding, but they need a reminder that all this 'historic' music, When It Was Modern (ahem), was performed also in Modern Dress, or modern dress with stylized notions. Ditto Gluck, Haendel, Mozart. Besides, I think the contrast of presentation, as someone living now, with the period instruments and this antique old music is thrilling, and makes the point of how immediate the music still is.
@norcalrobbie2 Its not like they are performed so frequently that there is much call to experiment. Let this become standard repertory (how nice it would be if a century from now no one will have heard of Puccini), so that everyone has seen several different historically informed performances, then experimentation would be more legitimate. In the case, the disconnect between the music and the staging creates kitsch.
Lovely Chaconne with Baroque Trumpet !!! .... so velvety and sweet !!! ♥
PeriodinstrumentfaN 5 months ago
I think that the mix presented here is absolutely beautiful. Opera is in some ways the culmination of art forms - singing (requiring some of the most dexterity of the human voice), dance, music , theatre - and it should be treated as a changing art form. The usage of 17/18th century operatic structure with a blend of experimental dance and antiquated forms is, in my opnion, absolutely brilliant and I thoroughly enjoyed the interpretation. Art's fluidity is its genius.
Labryschick 8 months ago
A glimpse of the orchestra would have been good!
Where on earth do the audience all clap in unison?
NiallMS 9 months ago
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@NiallMS On Cartesian France.
haranoe 8 months ago
@NiallMS it's actually rather common to clap like that in the end of shows like opera etc.
0casteloencantado0 5 months ago
@NiallMS Russia, for one.
MuseDuCafe 3 months ago
beautiful! such kindness and humanism!
MissBelldandyMapochi 10 months ago
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I agree with you plenament ene item where the opera, classical music itself, has to merge the modern with the historical. The Baroque in itself, was it is a unique style, very modern for its time when it was created and more, Rameau was an artist ahead of his time with the whole property. This piece itself, shows the perfection in our time in this beautiful book arrived, mixing of fully artistic, not just musically, but in dance and other parts attached to the general content.
toddydelahov 1 year ago
This IS Baroque, .....As it should be .
Spectacular and innovative
Bravo
wylltwalia 1 year ago 2
This production is just incredible. IMO, It's one of those things that seems like it could only have be done in France. :)
NorkelFjols 1 year ago
It's so good to hear it again. I once heard it many decades ago and didn't know what it was.
What dance group was this? What exuberance, what joie de vivre.
aristopus 1 year ago
The dancing may be modern, but it works so perfectly with Rameau's music that the effect is perfectly timeless.
Fuliginosus 1 year ago
Very elegant, very expressive, very memorable! Bravo!
gmckennon 1 year ago
Mon Dieu, mais qu'elle musique,qu'elle beaute. Merci de partager, ca fait du bien
jaalexis2002 1 year ago
The most beautiful part is the return of the artists onstage to the last strains of the Chaconne, and then just the words "Les Indes" glowing in the dark.
Now THAT was beautiful!
LaBelleDanse 1 year ago
Y-Front Ballet? Still, if you shit yourself on stage it should come in handy.
Loobs666 1 year ago
Rameau was an innovator and proponent of change. I think he'd be pleased that his music could still be enjoyed by people centuries later and that they would interpret it in their own unique way.
MisterTahti 1 year ago
this is not baroque as it should be...
countninja 2 years ago
I'm not crazy about the underwear commercial costumes or about the pilates studio movements but - THAT'S IT BABY - IF YA GOT IT, FLAUNT IT!
eruptionista 2 years ago
With Rameau, pretty much any outrageous spectacle complements the music - look at some of the props used for the original productions!
dukesteveduke 2 years ago
AMAZING
lent77cv 2 years ago 5
the music is very nice but the Bejart style of ballet distracts from the feeling of Rameau entirely. We are left with two seperate entiries which do not compliment one another to any purpose except to fill space and time. Why not danse a Chaconne???
mrmolinodelahoz 2 years ago
I'm not crazy about the underwear commercial costumes or about the pilates studio movements but consider that Rameau (like Shakespeare) was an early modern European presented with a culture of a new people from an area where many Europeans never expected to find other humans. . . I think Rameau tried to celebrate the Native Louisiana dancers he saw . . . however, keep in mind that Rameau's time and place are as distant to us as the New World dancers were to him . . . new discoveries to celebrate
SlightlySusan 2 years ago 5
this is my new favorite "song" Long live Ramaeu
calmetts 2 years ago 4
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I don't get it. What has this ballet to do with anything? It's completely irrelevant and meaningless, I don't give a rat's ass HOW "beautiful" the movement is. It does NOT compliment the music, it fights it.
Anyone? Give me a clue.
LazlosPlane 2 years ago
I don't know if I agree with that. While there are times when the movements do not seem to fit (in my opinion), there are many moments when I think they fit well. What would you propose? A historically accurate ballet or something else entirely? My background in ballet, whether historical or contemporary, is virtually non-existent. Perhaps that is why I don't see it as bad at all?
qwe07 2 years ago
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What I advocate is movement that bespeaks something of what the music is attempting to express, the music's function, raison d'etre. etc, etc. blah, blah... zzzzzzzzz sometimes I bore myself...
LazlosPlane 2 years ago
dude or dudette. You just have to give in to it. Music speaks to people in different ways. I love the commitment.
calmetts 2 years ago 4
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Deep. Real deep, man. Like, way out. Man it's a stone drag if you don't, like, get it, like, you know?
LazlosPlane 2 years ago
Beautiful! The dance is beautiful and whole performing is great!!
mrharpsi 2 years ago 4
Nothing but powerful...no words!!!!!!!Dreadful Rameau
Nganguen 2 years ago 2
Superbo!
lent77cv 3 years ago 2
Wonderful, si ils sont sensibles, ill vont adorer ça.
XVIIIMusica 3 years ago
the power of the baroque, Rameau
proximacentaurywalk 3 years ago 6
very good !
StCorentin 3 years ago
I love this music with a passion... Rameau will always be one of my favorites. The coreography is enjoyable and relaxing. Also, I don't mind the half naked gorgeous men at all.
lomoto69 4 years ago 4
It is beautiful, I agree, the bodies of the dancers are a joy to watch, and the sounds of the period instruments are equally as great.
Bachsoboe 4 years ago 3
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Again, modern ballet and Baroque music don't mix, at least for me. If someone like Christie bothers to perform with original or copies of original instruments then WHY not reconstruct the choreography of that period? If you're going to do modern ballet then why not just play Rameau with a 150 piece modern symphony orchestra? NON SEQUITUR!
NorbertZF 4 years ago
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Totally agree! well said Norbert!
lalungenuictdestens 4 years ago
It's called artistic freedom. And it works just fine here. The problem with your view of historically informed practice, is that you believe these operas and ballets should only be performed one way. How restrictive!
norcalrobbie2 4 years ago 14
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It's not restrictive. Then WHY use historical or copies of historical instruments? Isn't THAT being "restrictive"? Why not use a modern symphony orchestra? The Baroque master knew the rules and were genius enough to work within those rules and STILL have artistic freedom.
NorbertZF 4 years ago
So you think performance of opera should be either ultra-modern or ultra-historical? You can't possibly dichotomize something like artistry. Sorry, but I don't think opera needs to be restricted to stuffy courtly dances and powdered wigs... and having seen this production live and on DVD, I don't think the audience was so adamant about Baroque choreography either. That ACTUALLY seemed to enjoy it. I could be wrong, but I think that's the intent behind such art.
Bauldolino84 4 years ago 17
@Bauldolino84 It's all about authentic musical performance coupled with modern staging. The thing is, baroque played on modern instruments sounds OLD. But when it's played on historical instruments and we hear it as it would have sounded when it had just been composed it sounds so fresh and vital and new. That marries perfectly with a fresh vital and new staging like this :D
Superb video.
TheCrazyCello 1 year ago 2
@Bauldolino84 I agree with you plenament ene item where the opera, classical music itself, has to merge the modern with the historical. The Baroque in itself, was it is a unique style, very modern for its time when it was created and more, Rameau was an artist ahead of his time with the whole property. This piece itself, shows the perfection in our time in this beautiful book arrived, mixing of fully artistic, not just musically, but in dance and other parts attached to the general content.
toddydelahov 1 year ago
@Bauldolino84 I think that the mix presented here is absolutely beautiful. Opera is in some ways the culmination of art forms - singing (requiring some of the most dexterity of the human voice), dance, music , theatre - and it should be treated as a changing art form. The usage of 17/18th century operatic structure with a blend of experimental dance and antiquated forms is, in my opnion, absolutely brilliant and I thoroughly enjoyed the interpretation. Art's fluidity is its genius.
Labryschick 8 months ago
@Bauldolino84 You are so right. I don't know to whom you are responding, but they need a reminder that all this 'historic' music, When It Was Modern (ahem), was performed also in Modern Dress, or modern dress with stylized notions. Ditto Gluck, Haendel, Mozart. Besides, I think the contrast of presentation, as someone living now, with the period instruments and this antique old music is thrilling, and makes the point of how immediate the music still is.
MuseDuCafe 3 months ago
@norcalrobbie2 Its not like they are performed so frequently that there is much call to experiment. Let this become standard repertory (how nice it would be if a century from now no one will have heard of Puccini), so that everyone has seen several different historically informed performances, then experimentation would be more legitimate. In the case, the disconnect between the music and the staging creates kitsch.
HConstantine 11 months ago
Yep you're right!!!
rabulio 3 years ago