Inoki told Vader "Shoot, shootfight." BIG mistake! "I hit him so hard," Leon said. "I could throw a right. The right hand lead and I'd throw that left in his face, boom, boom, BOOM, and the uppercut."
"Oh man," Inoki said. A supposed 6 or 7 minute match lasted just 2:57, plus the riot
Vader could have been the greatest heel/bad is cool character ever. If this was his debut, he probably has the biggest win in anyone's debut history. Inoki is a legend.
well like all wrestling good timing and pre-planned outcomes... Moves are all calculated and timed not to hurt eachother. They only get hurt if the move is not done right!!
vader was actually in great shape in this match., probably under 400 pounds. if he had stayed that size he may still be wrestling now. his health did him in and injuries. sad he is not active anymore.to my knowledge.
Inoki owned this promotion and told Vader to be stiff with his shots because he really wanted to get Vader over as an absolute monster. Vader had a decent run in WCW but was never as big over here as he was in Japan.
That helmet Vader wore looked so intimidating that taking it off was anticlimactic. It's like when Mad Max fights Master Blaster in Thunderdome only to remove his helmet and find that he's a soft-faced kid with Downs Syndrome.
@aglewi41@aglewi41 There was enough room inside the mask for him to wear it.....all the tubing, CO2 tanks and electronics were inside as well. I used to operate the mask that he brought to the U.S. I would be close to ringside with a remote control unit that set off the smoke. This mask was a replica of the Japanese mask with all the piping and fittings changed to the U.S. code. Everything in the Japan mask was metric and we couldn't fill those tanks in the U.S.
@aglewi41@aglewi41 There was enough room inside the mask for him to wear it.....all the tubing, CO2 tanks and electronics were inside as well. I used to operate the mask that he brought to the U.S. I would be close to ringside with a remote control unit that set off the smoke. This mask was a replica of the Japanese mask with all the piping and fittings changed to the U.S. code. Everything in the Japan mask was metric and we couldn't fill those tanks in the U.S.
@aglewi41@aglewi41 There was enough room inside the mask for him to wear it.....all the tubing, CO2 tanks and electronics were inside as well. I used to operate the mask that he brought to the U.S. I would be close to ringside with a remote control unit that set off the smoke. This mask was a replica of the Japanese mask with all the piping and fittings changed to the U.S. code. Everything in the Japan mask was metric and we couldn't fill those tanks in the U.S.
Vader wrestled as Leon Baby Bull White long before he was known as Vader. I'm looking for Vader's final w.c.w. appearence where at the end he called himself a "Fat Tub of $h!t"? I almost cried when he said he was gonna quit wrestling. Anyway I want to see that match again real bad but can't even recall for certain who it was against. Thinking it was Sting. Anyone help me out please.
@CombatSportFan Yes, wrestling is fake. I still like wrestling, but it's fake! If you don't believe me, go to Barnes and Noble to buy the book Sex, Lies, and Headlocks. Or just go to your library and borrow it. It talks about everything that has happened in the WWE up to the nWo in the WWE
Antonio Inoki was literally the Ric Flair or Hulk Hogan of Japan. And beating him like this made Vader a huge monster star in Japan. Had they done this in the USA, who knows what Vader could have achieved here, and not just jobbing to the lametaker. (undertaker).
There are just too many monsters at the time he came to the WWE. I think if he would have came along times he was in WCW he would have been given a bigger push. I think vader needed to beat undertaker in a wrestlemania or atleast cage match to become number one monster
@Planetwatts Which is all the more insane considering if anyone could have gotten Shawn Michaels over as a Sting like babyface to the WWF fans, it would be Vader. Yet, they botched that feud so badly that nobody cared about Vader afterward.
@Planetwatts Agree. Vader was HUGE in Japan, but was HORRIBLY misused by Vince. You got to let the guy do what he does. But it isn't like he was the only guy Vince really screwed up on.
Now I am not trying to say this next guy is in the same league as a Vader, but i have always thought Sean O'Haire (especially with his Devil's Advocate gimmick) could have & should have gone over HUGE. He was an agile big guy that was good on the mic & could do some decent high flying stuff.
I'm also looking for Rick Rude vs. Hiro Hase from 3/19/94 where Rude wins the WCW International title (big gold belt) back after losing it 3 days earlier (I have the match where he loses it).
Do you have or know anyone who has the Sting-Vader match from Germany in March 1994 for the WCW European Cup? I believe there was a whole tournament. I read that Sting defeated Kane (aka Stevie Ray) of Harlem Heat, Ron Simmons & Steve Austin to get to the final against Vader. I'm pretty sure that's the same tournament where Cactus wrestled Vader & lost part of his ear (I have that match). I'd love to see the tournament.
Thanks. You confirmed my suspicions. I have a handheld of that specific match, but would love to get my hands on handheld footage of the other matches in the tournament. I wish WCW taped the entire tournament & sold it in an official VHS release in Europe at the time as a memento to its European fans. I'd hunt down a copy & get it converted to NTSC. The first 5 months of WCW in 1994 was my favorite era of that organization. Such great talent & matches between them.
yeah he does..looks like he weighs as much as when he was known as "Baby Bull"..I saw him on AWA the other night..never knew he was known in the using his real name of Leon White and the "Baby Bull" nickname... odd for him not not have his mask on when he takes the big helmet off.
Are you sure that comment is meant for me, I never said anything about wrestling being fake. I just said this isn't Vader's first match. I think you hit "reply" to the wrong person.
This was Vader at his best! He was in shape.
UCKABAH 6 days ago
BIG VAN VADER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is well scary with his big mask
SinCara619mexican 3 weeks ago
That entrance gear is scary
Teeheehee093 3 weeks ago
Inoki told Vader "Shoot, shootfight." BIG mistake! "I hit him so hard," Leon said. "I could throw a right. The right hand lead and I'd throw that left in his face, boom, boom, BOOM, and the uppercut."
"Oh man," Inoki said. A supposed 6 or 7 minute match lasted just 2:57, plus the riot
blakdust3 1 month ago
Thanks for the share. Awesome video.
ganurr 1 month ago
I've never seen Inoki-san dominated like that before.
blueblur1997 1 month ago
This has a very Rocky-Clubber Lang I feel to it.
peterp21 1 month ago
Ведер как сявок их раскидывает
apparatoff 1 month ago
welches jahr??
sixarcorback 1 month ago
@sixarcorback 27th December 1987.
smr182 1 week ago
fake..... ;)
MrVebbis96 1 month ago
If anybody is a fan of DBZ you should know that they use this character in the Cell Games of the Cell Saga. He is one of Mr. Satin's apprentices.
ringheader 1 month ago 5
@ringheader lmao you know what. Iwas thinking the same thing. he looks like cell did when he first came to earth
realdeal119 1 month ago
that reminds me of the old snes game saturday night slam masters, only the character in the was rip-off called grater
haestrom 2 months ago
that's how you become a superstar in one night.
mmmikeyxx 2 months ago
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Don't forget he wrestled as Baby Bull Leon White in the AWA.
Mrslammie 3 months ago
Don't forget he wrestled Baby Bull Leon WHite in the AWA.
Mrslammie 3 months ago
Didn't this match cause a riot?
theinspectorshetty 3 months ago
@theinspectorshetty Yep
WolfGuyX 2 months ago
still say that this weakling and an occupant of the hall of fame that's absurd
Thunder7420 3 months ago
BRAIN-BUSTAHHHHHH 2:45
Dijitull 3 months ago
what a classless motherfucking vader.
yujinaji 4 months ago
Vader in his time was spectacular..Great debut for him.
Psicologolopez 4 months ago
I had always heard the crowd rioted after this match? Was this not Vader's actual debut or was the riot thing not true?
ajax420336 4 months ago
did inoki get really hurt?????
warzyxx 4 months ago
Well, if that was the crowd that rioted, they looked damn polite about it...
9InchWarrior 5 months ago
he not start in europe?i remeber him as "bullpower " in the 80's here in europe.
Plexpara 7 months ago
Vader wearing the helmet looks like a Space Jockey.
KingSygma 7 months ago
@KingSygma Actually I think Vader's helmut looks like a combination of Darth Vader & Snuffleupagus...
Jonwood74 4 months ago
@Jonwood74 xD
KingSygma 4 months ago
Vader could have been the greatest heel/bad is cool character ever. If this was his debut, he probably has the biggest win in anyone's debut history. Inoki is a legend.
CLewey44 7 months ago
would have loved to have seen vader go agaainst warlord.
veeseee128 7 months ago
Wow, Inoki resorting to heel tactics before the match... boo, hiss.
ablrcklnthewall 8 months ago
well like all wrestling good timing and pre-planned outcomes... Moves are all calculated and timed not to hurt eachother. They only get hurt if the move is not done right!!
jesusfreak1975 9 months ago
vader was actually in great shape in this match., probably under 400 pounds. if he had stayed that size he may still be wrestling now. his health did him in and injuries. sad he is not active anymore.to my knowledge.
redbuick 9 months ago
@redbuick There is a great article now on the WWE website that explains Vader's life after WWE...it's a really interesting read.
novabeerfly 8 months ago
idk wtf that helmet thing was, but i agree, insanely intimidating.
dchockeygoali07 9 months ago
CRITICAL!
Wes919 10 months ago 6
Inoki owned this promotion and told Vader to be stiff with his shots because he really wanted to get Vader over as an absolute monster. Vader had a decent run in WCW but was never as big over here as he was in Japan.
MDAC1012 10 months ago 2
That helmet Vader wore looked so intimidating that taking it off was anticlimactic. It's like when Mad Max fights Master Blaster in Thunderdome only to remove his helmet and find that he's a soft-faced kid with Downs Syndrome.
TheLeroyMoon 11 months ago 2
good match
kevinhardy 11 months ago
that is not Vaders debut not even his NJPW debut...he had a full suit on his NJPW debut
armenius28 1 year ago
猪木弱えー
hayphils 1 year ago
Not his wrestling debut, but it is his NJPW debut.
ironcladlou 1 year ago
wat year was this?
956rrios 1 year ago
lol, this caused a riot because the fans were so pissed
Johnny3D3D 1 year ago
wait vader could actualy wear that mammoth head-gear? i thought he just hauled it to the ring
aglewi41 1 year ago
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@aglewi41@aglewi41 There was enough room inside the mask for him to wear it.....all the tubing, CO2 tanks and electronics were inside as well. I used to operate the mask that he brought to the U.S. I would be close to ringside with a remote control unit that set off the smoke. This mask was a replica of the Japanese mask with all the piping and fittings changed to the U.S. code. Everything in the Japan mask was metric and we couldn't fill those tanks in the U.S.
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@aglewi41@aglewi41 There was enough room inside the mask for him to wear it.....all the tubing, CO2 tanks and electronics were inside as well. I used to operate the mask that he brought to the U.S. I would be close to ringside with a remote control unit that set off the smoke. This mask was a replica of the Japanese mask with all the piping and fittings changed to the U.S. code. Everything in the Japan mask was metric and we couldn't fill those tanks in the U.S.
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@aglewi41@aglewi41 There was enough room inside the mask for him to wear it.....all the tubing, CO2 tanks and electronics were inside as well. I used to operate the mask that he brought to the U.S. I would be close to ringside with a remote control unit that set off the smoke. This mask was a replica of the Japanese mask with all the piping and fittings changed to the U.S. code. Everything in the Japan mask was metric and we couldn't fill those tanks in the U.S.
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fake
khanitime 1 year ago
Big van vader give him the business
stonewho 1 year ago
MAN! Vader is a monster! And I thought Antonio Inoki did not sell enought, before I seen this match. I guess this have to been a shock for the crowd.
RetepNoslack 1 year ago
didn´t a riot happened after the match?
Bkamlem 1 year ago
@Bkamlem yeah. Wrestling was banned from Sumo Hall for quite a while after the riot because the fans trashed the place.
Johnny3D3D 1 year ago
vader was quite skinny then
Funnysterste 1 year ago
@Funnysterste Exactly, was this before or after the WWE?
misterbee66 1 year ago
@Funnysterste well compared to him is wcw yes
aglewi41 1 year ago
That elephant-like helmet is better than the leather mask that Vader used to wear.
KingSygma 1 year ago
Big Van Vader was Great Antonio
Righter99 1 year ago
@Righter99
Yes and Hulk Hogan vas Yokozuna
(sarcasm)
SolidMike84 1 year ago
Ok folks... I get the picture. WWF VAder vs. Kane over the edge 98. Thats about 70 times I've been reminded now. Thanks.
RisenDevilz 1 year ago
From this point on, it was Vader Time.
JKTube 1 year ago
I haven't seen many vids of Inoki actually being pinned for the 123.
ryanhitmanfury 1 year ago
@ryanhitmanfury It is about as rare as Jerry Lawler or Hulk Hogan being pinned cleanly.
CombatSportFan 1 year ago
Vader wrestled as Leon Baby Bull White long before he was known as Vader. I'm looking for Vader's final w.c.w. appearence where at the end he called himself a "Fat Tub of $h!t"? I almost cried when he said he was gonna quit wrestling. Anyway I want to see that match again real bad but can't even recall for certain who it was against. Thinking it was Sting. Anyone help me out please.
RisenDevilz 1 year ago
@RisenDevilz: No, he called himself that after he lost a mask vs. mask match to Kane at WWF Over the Edge 98.
JKTube 1 year ago
I thought PWI reported that this match caused a riot in the arena...
CombatSportFan 1 year ago
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FAKE..
Righter99 1 year ago
POINT?
NeptuneNetwork 1 year ago 7
@Righter99 Worked, not fake. If you're gonna try to get cute, at least use the correct terminology.
CombatSportFan 1 year ago
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@CombatSportFan Yes, wrestling is fake. I still like wrestling, but it's fake! If you don't believe me, go to Barnes and Noble to buy the book Sex, Lies, and Headlocks. Or just go to your library and borrow it. It talks about everything that has happened in the WWE up to the nWo in the WWE
Righter99 1 year ago
@Righter99 Worked, not fake.
CombatSportFan 1 year ago
Vader debuted in 1985 is this 1985?
Actionfigureluver 1 year ago
It wasn't ALMOST a riot, it WAS a riot. NJPW was banned from any more matches in this arena until 1989 because of it. XD
Suckfest83 1 year ago
Listen to the crowds reaction when Vader wins, they are like "WTF!?"
Wes919 2 years ago
this is vaders debut in new japan wrestling
violentop 2 years ago
This isn't vaders debut. He debuted as lenard white in the old AWA in the late 80's.
xkydd 2 years ago
I read somewhere there was almost a riot after this match because of the uproar caused by Inoki's defeat.
dolemitedoestechno 2 years ago
Leon White in the early or mid 80's
Bela195401 2 years ago
Antonio Inoki was literally the Ric Flair or Hulk Hogan of Japan. And beating him like this made Vader a huge monster star in Japan. Had they done this in the USA, who knows what Vader could have achieved here, and not just jobbing to the lametaker. (undertaker).
PlagueRiddenGoat 2 years ago
I'm thinking the rumors I heard of Inoki being like the god of wrestling in Japan are true?
angrynostolgiamann12 2 years ago
This match realy put vader over as one of the top heals in Japan. Brilliant work by Inoki jobbing to Vader. This sent shockwaves around Japan.
georgyfontaine28 2 years ago 3
@georgyfontaine28 Doaln fial. Its heel not heal.
Kerbalf 1 year ago
@Kerbalf oops!
georgyfontaine28 1 year ago
@georgyfontaine28 :D
Kerbalf 1 year ago
@georgyfontaine28 :D
Kerbalf 1 year ago
I heard they rioted this night when vader beat inoki?
TitusVentura 2 years ago
Vader (and Bam Bam Bigelow too) were the two most agile big men I've seen in the business. Vader was a monster and was badly handled in wwe for me
Planetwatts 2 years ago 29
There are just too many monsters at the time he came to the WWE. I think if he would have came along times he was in WCW he would have been given a bigger push. I think vader needed to beat undertaker in a wrestlemania or atleast cage match to become number one monster
thefriendsociety 2 years ago
I'll definitely give you credit on that call :)
I agree totally. If Vader had beaten Taker at the big one or in a hell in a cell it would have done wonders for him
Planetwatts 2 years ago
@Planetwatts Which is all the more insane considering if anyone could have gotten Shawn Michaels over as a Sting like babyface to the WWF fans, it would be Vader. Yet, they botched that feud so badly that nobody cared about Vader afterward.
CombatSportFan 1 year ago
@Planetwatts Agree. Vader was HUGE in Japan, but was HORRIBLY misused by Vince. You got to let the guy do what he does. But it isn't like he was the only guy Vince really screwed up on.
Now I am not trying to say this next guy is in the same league as a Vader, but i have always thought Sean O'Haire (especially with his Devil's Advocate gimmick) could have & should have gone over HUGE. He was an agile big guy that was good on the mic & could do some decent high flying stuff.
TNO73 9 months ago
@Planetwatts Well said mate. Bigelow(RIP) and Vader were the tits!.
IntenseCJF 8 months ago
@Planetwatts Very, very true. They were excellent wrestlers.
undisputedgreatest 6 months ago
Vader was awsome to watch! Too bad he was so mishandled during his WWE run...
MRROMEOCASANOVAJR 2 years ago
The one of the best big men in the business
HungreyBoi05 2 years ago
This match got New Japan banned from the Sumo Hall for 3 years.
SirPromenade 3 years ago
I'm also looking for Rick Rude vs. Hiro Hase from 3/19/94 where Rude wins the WCW International title (big gold belt) back after losing it 3 days earlier (I have the match where he loses it).
wtcvidman 3 years ago
Do you have or know anyone who has the Sting-Vader match from Germany in March 1994 for the WCW European Cup? I believe there was a whole tournament. I read that Sting defeated Kane (aka Stevie Ray) of Harlem Heat, Ron Simmons & Steve Austin to get to the final against Vader. I'm pretty sure that's the same tournament where Cactus wrestled Vader & lost part of his ear (I have that match). I'd love to see the tournament.
wtcvidman 3 years ago
@wtcvidman: Yes, Cactus did lose his ear during that particular tour.
JKTube 5 months ago
@JKTube
Thanks. You confirmed my suspicions. I have a handheld of that specific match, but would love to get my hands on handheld footage of the other matches in the tournament. I wish WCW taped the entire tournament & sold it in an official VHS release in Europe at the time as a memento to its European fans. I'd hunt down a copy & get it converted to NTSC. The first 5 months of WCW in 1994 was my favorite era of that organization. Such great talent & matches between them.
wtcvidman 5 months ago
vader looks like a hundred pounds lighter here
drav6 3 years ago
yeah he does..looks like he weighs as much as when he was known as "Baby Bull"..I saw him on AWA the other night..never knew he was known in the using his real name of Leon White and the "Baby Bull" nickname... odd for him not not have his mask on when he takes the big helmet off.
mooky9669 3 years ago
antonio inoki dies during this match. Not really but damn close.
NeptuneNetwork 3 years ago 13
@NeptuneNetwork everyone who stepped into ring with vader was close to death
Funnysterste 1 year ago
@NeptuneNetwork
Vader used to work for AWA in the 80s under his given name.
DrewBludd 1 year ago
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Righter99 1 year ago
@Righter99
Are you sure that comment is meant for me, I never said anything about wrestling being fake. I just said this isn't Vader's first match. I think you hit "reply" to the wrong person.
DrewBludd 1 year ago
@NeptuneNetwork
94Lyght 1 year ago