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[kylelastname]

interesting video that i will probably watch again as I favor making something over shelling out a bunch of money. BUT THE audio is TERRIBLE! The video instructions in the end are also hard to read.

[cosmicbdog]

Interesting... you try to put words in my mouth and attempt to discredit what I'm saying by adding your own falsities on top of this while managing to write it off as my fantasies! How does that feel? Its no wonder you judge people so much as being delusional bro. Look into some spirituality... its amazing how so many of the different belief systems suggest that you are the things you judge in others. I am sure as an animal killer though you have no challenge in being blinded by your supremacy.

[thegrassisbluer09]

You are a fool. Do an experiment for me: Don't eat meat, and don't take B12 supplements. Report back to me in 20 years, when the lack of B12 has you bed-ridden and in the kind of pain you romanticize meat-raised animals going through. I don't believe Yunta is 100% correct here either, but seriously, knowing is more important than feeling. Meat is natural, it helped us develop our beautiful brains. Not eating meat is unnatural, B12 being the only example you need, though it's not alone.

[cosmicbdog]

I'm already doing this experiment. So its foolish of me to try something new and not challenge whats served up in schools? Interesting. I thought I was more foolish in the past having been a pro meat arguer myself thinking I had any place that which I did not KNOW. So, I'm 2 years in now... no b12 supplements... is a symptom of not getting b12 from meat and supplements to feel more alive and stronger? You would think that after this long of no meat, I would be shrinking, not growing. weird hey?

[cosmicbdog]

If you actually want to look into it, I'll reference the author and title of the book and lady who has extensively researched the Roman empire in more depth and detail than any other author in our time. She is the authority on this stuff and guess what man... she isn't a vegetarian. But hey, it appears if you look into something a little more than google search results you might start finding information beyond the university essays written by budding students.

[yunta51]

Yeah, you're right. The whole world was vegetarian right up to a few decades ago. Romans loved soy too.

[cosmicbdog]

[cont] ourselves to death. This more expanded sense of survival is naturally overriding that very simple and limited personal survival and so we are very likely going to see bans on things.

Just because prohibition hasn't worked so far on things, doesn't mean it doesn't work. The same applies to government. There are many successful forms of prohibition and governing in the world. There are things prohibited however that generate no obvious pain for the world we inhabit. Victimless crimes.

[yunta51]

Hmmm.. I'd say you better start eating right. You're starting to slip away from reality.

[cosmicbdog]

Yeah man... almost there... almost as out of touch with reality to think I could eat torture, death and slavery and come up with peace health and freedom! What a magic show.

[yunta51]

That's life though, better get used to it. How about posting a link to the source that says the Romans were vegetarians.

[cosmicbdog]

What makes you think I got this information from a link bright spark? In case you are not aware, the internet has a very loose criteria as to what will pop up on it. I'm not sure if you realise this, but if you do a search for 'roman and vegetarian' just because the first 20 links say animal bones have been found doesn't mean squat about what has actually happened. For all we know the people writing these things are as biased and condescending about new information as you are. Your diet sucks.

[cosmicbdog]

The way laws are most likely to come about on this stuff however is not via peoples ethics, but via peoples fears. We fear our survival. Its a greater incentive to survive ones self than to save another life. Yet now we see how our survival is directly linked to the survival of others. Kill a few more sharks in the ocean and it just might destroy the balance there. Bad ocean = bad earth. Feast your eyes on 'Sharkwater'. Also, if we keep doing the unsustainable livestock jig, we've polluted[cont]

[cosmicbdog]

Check out the Roman army. They were vego's. The only time they ate meat was on a 100 day journey in which no vegetables and fruit could survive. Even they were aware the human body was not designed to eat meat and knew that in order to even make it possible to digest the nutrients neeeded to have a special herb. You asked me what culture ever were vegetarian... point your eyes towards the largest and most powerful tribe in history. The b12 study you're referring to is fear based. Drill that fear

[cosmicbdog]

Whats your understanding of the biology when an animal is murdered? Are you aware that a corpse sends out rotting signals to every cell in the body the moment it is killed? I suppose though, just like other carnivores in the wild, you eat your meat within an hour before the organs and everything go rancid. Oh no.. .thats right... you fridge it and regardless of how local you get it, its had the life drained out of it long ago. But yeah, you get nutrients from it... sure man.

[cosmicbdog]

When you're done avoiding the question I asked you, I look forward to what you have to say on what you would say to those kids killing each other with knives.

[cosmicbdog]

By the way, not sure if that corpse diet has effected your memory, but you originally came into a thread on soy telling people how bad it is. Now you try and tell me not to change others? Bet you've got a nice illogical or nonsensical justification for that as well!

[cosmicbdog]

If you saw 2 children putting knives through each other, and it wasn't a risk to you, would you try and stop them and teach them that violence is bad?

[cosmicbdog]

And then if you did tell them that violence isn't good... what you say? Why would you say violence isn't good? By the way, if I could talk to a bear, I would... thing is, you think evolution has hit its peak. That its always going to be blood lusting feeding. There isn't room in your mind for the possibility that even nature learns... that not just humans develop morals and concepts of peace... even lions and bears could one day. Who's going to set the example?

[cosmicbdog]

If you were murdered... or your brother was murdered... or your children.. would you want the law to do something about it? Or would you just go "hey everybody... its ok... thats the cycle of life".? Or do you use morals and ethics when its convenient to you and and just ignore them when its not?

[cosmicbdog]

I would love to see a video from you on why you think meat is great. Personally I have seen more people shift away from eating meat when they just hear meat defenders get on the soap box about it. Why? Because the ignorance and fear is just blindingly apparent. People go "I don't want to look small minded like that... how can I live healthy on fruit, veg and grain?". But please... prove me wrong... make an inspiring video about how awesome it is to eat murdered animals!! That would be a first.

[TheDuchessOfPlanetX]

This guy's voice is the same voice as "UFO's are YOU" voice. lol

[anbncejksg]

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[nvpatentlawyer]

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[yunta51]

This is crazy. Soy-milk is poison.

[aldoranada]

soy is healthy can can make tufo which can be substitute for meat if ur vegetarian

[yunta51]

Can you site a source for that claim? Soy is not a substitute for meat in anyway. Soy contains tripsin inhibitors that block protein absorption. Soy should not be eaten by humans. What's more is that most of it 98% is now genetically modified.

[cosmicbdog]

Its all in the method buddy. Meat is bs anyways. You're a herbivore. There's nothing in the human body that suggests we should eat meat. Its all herbivore parts. Soy is great taken in the right formula. You are right, its majority modified stuff now... but that doesn't make soy bad. There is fermented soy milk... there is miso... these prepare the soy for the body and make its nuitrients highly absorbant. Poorly prepared soy can be harder to digest than meat however.

[yunta51]

Back it up with facts pal, not your emotional feelings. First of all there are no "vegetarians." Those who label themselves as such are really just carb-atarians that eat out of a box their whole lives. You are are dis-connected from natural living and are a city-dweller. Try living off the land and see how far you get. Also try being an athlete and see how far you get.

[cosmicbdog]

For somebody who raves on about facts and speaking from a lack of emotion you're sure bad at it. Where are your own facts? Just takes a simple search on any search engine or talk to a nutrionist who will reveal that humans have nothing in common with carnivores. Our mouth and stomach PH is that of a herbivore. We have a complex jaw, like herbivores. We have a long and complex colon, like herbivores. If you eat meat, you're the same as what you eat... an uneducated ignorant part of a herd. Fact.

[cosmicbdog]

I am an athlete, I've lived in nature for the past year on my own vegetables. I bet I'm stronger, smarter, faster and more balanced in reality than you man. Make a youtube about it. Show us how angry and stupid you actually are while you quote things you haven't looked into with pure unbiased scientific eyes.

[cosmicbdog]

People like yourself who talk about science and facts while being completely biased, as in you have no actual first hand experience of being vegetarian come across to me as being completely void of personal intelligence. You basically gobble up the information your doctors give you, just like the cows gobble up the food the farmhands feed them. Meanwhile calling yourself rounded and understanding of the whole situation. You're like a school kid who says he knows all about the corporate world.

[cosmicbdog]

A theorist who talks about experience. Good on ya. A youtuber who comments but doesn't make videos. Right on man!

[yunta51]

You're videos speak for themselves, you don't look well. You certainly don't look 27. I'm 42 and you look older than me.

Forget all the other stuff, just name me a traditional people, tribe, culture that didn't eat animal protein.

[cosmicbdog]

Is tradition what we base everything off? If ancients did it, its ok? Name me a tradition where men didn't marry 6 - 12 year old girls and start sticking it in them. There probably weren't any. Just like there probably weren't any vegetarian tribes. Having an actual understanding of our organs is relatively new and its just becoming common knowledge that humans are not geared to eat meat and we don't naturally deal with it. Plus its clear that eating a meat diet is a primary contributor to C02.

[yunta51]

You give the typical response that I'd expect. I'm not so much tradition as it is evolution. All healthy people have always eat a high percentage of animal protein and their health was and is reflected in their dental records and lack of disease. You want to dismiss this fact because of some strange agenda and go on a high-carb diet? No humans in the historical record had a high-carb if they could possibly help it.

[cosmicbdog]

My agenda is obvious => healthy non-violent planet. How do you get a non-violent world when you eat a violent diet? Do you magically go beyond the 'you are what you eat' laws of consumption and get peace from murder?

[cosmicbdog]

Thanks for the reality check! Bro, we all need it.. even people like me. Still, you basically eat creatures because you perceive them as less evolved and its a vital to health. You talk about it being circle of life when its as natural as deep sea whales growing and eating potatoes. Its a "because we can, we do". Anyways, what other facts do you have to keep the blindfolds on about meat being good? Did you look up the human versus herbivore / carnivore science?

[yunta51]

Tell me where you get you B-12 from first.

[cosmicbdog]

Where can't you get b12... its in cayenne peppers which i grow. its in miso... its in natural running water.... its in shitake and reishi mushrooms.. its in spirulina and other seaweeds. b12 is all over the place man. Not only that you have a 25-30 year storage of it. Take no b-12 for that long before you will notice any withdrawals. Getting b-12 from animals is stealing and laziness.

[yunta51]

Yeah they contain it, but you can't absorb it. Even the vegan gurus such as Gabriel Cousins have videos right here on youtube are telling people that they better be careful. But you could be concerned I guess. Go watch the video. I'm done lecturing you.

[cosmicbdog]

I appreciate your time man. I hope to see more healthy shopping vids from you. I don't think its bad to eat meat necesarrily... I have just grown up on both meat and vegetables at different phases and through this simple scientific experience on myself I can verify that eating vegetables, grains, fungus and fruit mostly gets me sleeping 4-5 hours a night, i feel better, lighter, stronger. I urge you to give it a try bro with an open mind... not an expectation its not going to be good and see.

[yunta51]

It's simple, the more carbs (high glycemic index) I eat in relation to protein, the more tied I feel and the more fat I get. Most people of European descent will have this reaction, whereas those whose ancestors arose from more tropical zones will handle carbs much easier.

[cosmicbdog]

I have looked but can't find anything about not being able to absorb b-12 from regular food. Every other leaf eating animal like whales and buffalo's all seem to do fine getting it from grass and algae. We humans magically 'need' it from animals? I also get b12 from bananas, sprouts sprouted at home, lots of protein from hemp. Do you know that b12 is super abundant in life? Its a big dogmatic belief that its limited to meat most likely created from the meat industry. Killers have no prob lying.

[yunta51]

Well apparently Gabriel Cousins (the godfather of the raw food/vegan movement) doesn't know this information. He's saying the exact opposite right here on youtube. Maybe you should comment on his video and let him know that he's been completely wrong these past 30 years.

[cosmicbdog]

A lot of people who are the first to do things are often wrong about a lot of things though aren't they? Maybe because he's the grandfather he believes he is the source of information and hasn't been open to new discoveries since the 70's? Considers all younger people and later adopters to be his vegan inferiors. I try not to take that approach, even though this thread of conversation doesn't exactly portray that. I'm far from perfect.

[yunta51]

Then go tell him yourself. Type in: "Why we need Vitamin B12 Vegans watch out you need this one!"

Leave a comment for him to read and we'll see what happens. You can't retreat into your imaginary world forever.

[cosmicbdog]

Are you able to communicate without being condescending? You are a part of a mass herd dude. You can get away with mockery for now... but your health is at risk.. your whole tribe in the herd are at risk. Colon cancer etc. Average meat eaters have 6 month old dead corpse. A carnivore passes meat in a few days. No complex catchments to get the corpse stuck in the colon. Did you look that up? U're telling me I'm imaginary.. but did you look it up or is it you who has the real veils up hiding?

[cosmicbdog]

The b12 deficiency versus colon cancer is not even comparable. How many people in america die of colon cancer per year? Do you know? Its staggering and gee... surprise surprise... its most prominent and more likely in meat eaters.

[yunta51]

Actually I'm in a very small minority. Very few people eat a diet of organic grass-fed pastured beef, as they still think meat is unhealthy in all it's forms. Very few people eat all organic greens from their own garden three times a day. Very few people cook their food in either coconut oil, raw butter, or saturated animal fat, instead they think that toxic hydrogenated vegetable oils are good for them.

[yunta51]

[cont] I'm in the minority as you see. I eat no different then humans ate 10,000 years ago. Before grains became an option. There was no disease in those people like there is today. I lump the vegans, the fastfood junkies, the fat-phobics, the unconcious eaters of our present age into one category as they all will be suffering from a variety of problems the longer they go.

[cosmicbdog]

So basically the same people who were used as slaves to build the pyramids, who believed the Egyptian pharaohs were gods... you're basing intelligent choice on what those people thought was right? You're in the majority of compassionless selfish eaters. You place your own survival as an individual above the sustainability of the environment you leech from.

[cosmicbdog]

[cont] therefor your mind is actually closed. You live in fear and are disconnected of the effect you have on the whole. You believe your life is more worthwhile than other animals who think and feel. Its a tiny little step away from being completely racist. Just because you can't understand the animals, you place them in a level below you... like you are supreme. Yet you don't kill the animals yourself. Cowardly you let the murder happen elsewhere and think its a mighty muscle thing to do.

[yunta51]

No, my way sustains the environment. Your way of eating means a person must live in an urban center or have their blueberries and wheat, etc, shipped to them. Obviously when fruits, nuts, and potatoes go out of season it must be shipped from warmer regions. Not good for the planet. Sustainable living is what I do. I grow vegies, eat what's in season, buy my meats from a local guy that I know and trust.

[cosmicbdog]

Sustainable for you. What about the animals your diet murders? You sound like a guy in court who has just done a mass murder trying to bust the lawyer on evading tax or something minor.

[cosmicbdog]

Most oils are like eating wax when they are heated unlike coconut oil. Good work. I can see you are aware of this stuff. I used to only eat organic meat as well that was grass fed. Cows aren't supposed to eat grains. Just like we aren't supposed to eat meat. We can... and we can survive. But look at the drugs we need to give cattle on grains... look at the drugs humanity is on. If your colon is cluttered with rotting corpse, its unlikely you'll get much benefit from the greens you eat btw.

[yunta51]

I don't want to just "survive." Hell, bread and water will keep you alive, and no animals need be harmed. I'm eating they way healthy humans have always eaten, until recently, and they had NO colon cancer or any other ailment. When I eat grass-fed beef, I get all that plant nutrition in that meat I eat. I barely cook it, it digests faster than if I ate a bowl of rice.

[cosmicbdog]

Yeah because you're stealing life from another creature. Treating anything you don't understand as a type of nutrient slave. Do you think animals are just here to gather nutrients from grass for you to sit on youtube talking about how they are your slaves?

[yunta51]

Do you not think that plants are sentient beings? I do. Believe me, plants want to live, they don't want to be cut down. Electro-magnetic photography shows the reactions of plats when they get cut or pulled up, they go crazy. So now who's treating other organisms as "nutrient slaves?" Plants are also carnivorous. Their roots eat the dead corpses of the organisms in the soil, nematodes, worms, and other insects.

[cosmicbdog]

Thing is that separates plant food from animals is that there are no obvious grotesque signs that plants are not ok with it. You need a computer device to recognise this reaction. Animals run... they scream... they howl... they cry.. obvious signs you as a human can recognise and need to ignore. When you eat fruit and vegetables though, you are helping life continue. Seeds in fruit pass through and grow again. Taking a leaf makes the plant grow more. It doesn't kill the whole being.Its symbiotic

[cosmicbdog]

You're eating an animal who's whole family tree has lived as a slave. Your diet forcefully holds the whole species back from evolving and creates the self fulfilling cycle that its a lesser evolved being, simply because its never even been given the chance to live peacefully. Always in fear that people like yourself are going to come along, chain it up, rape and murder it so you can get that little tiny extra blood lust edge. Where is the compassion in your diet besides compassion for yourself?

[yunta51]

You seem to think that humans aren't part of the food chain. Cows, sheep and other livestock are particular species that have evolved to be dependent on humans for their survival. They should be treated humanly. What should concern you is when a lactating ewe gets caught by a bear, which starts by eating the teats first and while the animal is still alive! Nature is far more brutal than anything found on a farm.

[cosmicbdog]

So because animals do it.. its ok? Great logic. Lets expand it. Suns blow up and kill whole solar systems. So I'm going to make a bomb and blow up all of earth to be like the sun. I mean, its not as bad as the sun... just like you're not as bad as the bear. And since cavemen once upon a time had sex with their daughters, hey, lets do that as well! Its just a part of nature. Lets all throw our intelligent evolution aside and have a bunch of convenient excuses to justify our primitive actions.

[yunta51]

The reason you shy away from eating meat is because it makes you feel uncomfortable. Deal with those issues yourself instead of trying to change other people. It silly to make the world follow a high carb/low protein diet cause the cycle of life and death scares you. Those who follow it eventually quite anyway. what will you tell those living in northern latitudes? Shipping produce year round? Is that environmental?

[cosmicbdog]

The reason I don't eat meat is because I got honest with my feelings. My body firstly started telling me it didn't feel great after eating flesh. All my moral progress and greater understanding came later. I also started talking to more and more meat eaters like yourself and could sense very easily how barricaded and defensive you are on the topic. How unwilling you are to change. How stupid and biased your arguments are. Simply I didn't want to be associated with such stupidity and violence.

[yunta51]

Sounds more like the natural cycle of life and death here on earth frightens you. You'll have to figure out why that is.

[cosmicbdog]

No, its not fear, its having an awareness of the cycle. Knowing that killing creates pain for others. And don't pretend you're doing the courageous thing here, tackling life when you have people behind closed doors slaughter and torture animals that can't defend themselves. Its weak. Its cowardly. Its ignorant. Its not choice bro.. you're in a pack... a cult... most vego's once were meat eaters. They have walked both sides of the fence. You nevr left. Regurgitate what the cult leader said.

[cosmicbdog]

I'd tell them northerners to move and live somewhere more naturally sustainable. Stop trying to be a carnivore living like a neanderthal in the cold. Shipping grains and fruits and veg is not even comparable to the amount of shipping that goes on to support livestock. Look up the ratios of water, money and food that goes into sustaining livestock compared to fruit/veg. That might end your ludicrous idea that eating meat is environmentally friendly. Most of the forests are destroyed to feed cows

[yunta51]

Small sustainable farms don't harm the environment. Over 80% of the top soil has been destroyed by chemical fertilizers. Most forests are now destroyed for the planting of corn and soy, mostly for human consumption. Ha, now you'd have all people relocate to tropical zones where they'd eat fruits all day. You're truly in a fantasy world.

[cosmicbdog]

Where does 85% of the corn and soy go? To livestock. I'm in the same world you're in. Do you believe in fantasy worlds? You keep bringing it up. Hows your fantasy land look? Happy grass feeding animals who smile when they are hung upside and their throats sliced. They go "oh yunta, we love you... thanks for the grass... enjoy my rotting corpse!". I may have idealistic views that humans can be peaceful, but I'd rather that any day then just accept being a twisted murderer purely on self gain.

[yunta51]

One of my goals is to have my own farm and slaughter my own animals as I need them. Probably cutting their throats is the best way to do it. I would harvest the whole animal, nothing wasted. Animals don't comprehend death as we do, one minute they're alive, the next they're not. Every creature dies, so they might as well die by my hand instead of a wolve's or of old age.

[cosmicbdog]

Can you speak to animals? Did they tell you they don't feel the same things about death as we humans do? More fantasy land magic. The more you speak the more it just becomes clear how vulgar your way of life is and how many assumptions you make about what is good for others. Assumptions which result in the death of other beings. Dream away. Meat eating will probably be illegal way before you get to the point of being able to run your own slave blood cult camp.

[yunta51]

"...Did they tell you they don't feel the same things about death as we humans do?.."

Call me crazy but I'm willing to bet that animals don't share our concepts of death whether it be the final chapter in life, reincarnation, heaven/hell, or valhalla.

Meat illegal? I bet soy will be illegal first.

[cosmicbdog]

If you don't understand unproven spiritual beliefs of life and death, you waiver your right to live? Let me ask you this though... if you and your whole family history had been caught and enslaved for the past 10000 years... how advanced would you be? If every time someone in your family tried to escape, were rounded up and sent back to the farm to fatten up for milk or meat... how much higher awareness growth could you make under those conditions?

[cosmicbdog]

I have no doubt more restrictions will come in for soy. Some research says non-fermented soy is even harder to digest than meat. There are far more environmentally friendly sources of protein as well like hemp. Environmental sustainability will be the cornerstone of mass produced livestock being banned. Animal rights laws have discrepencies which will be addressed.. e.g certain animals are protected, some not. Humanity is starting to question this. To love dogs, but not cows? Cats but not sheep?

[ParapaDrifter]

I'm all for vegan but you can't expect laws to force society to change.

Individual human freedom trumps utopian ideals. the sooner you realize that we shouldn't expect washington to chizel society is the sooner you can start influencing society. your not alone, I'm right along with you.

Remember, using force to do good is still evil. See, Operation Iraqi Freedom.

[cosmicbdog]

I don't expect government to chisel this one. But its possible they could. Probably not in this generation. Its not a hard leap to make. Once upon a time somebody like myself would have stood up and said "you know, one day, we're not going to be able to have sex with our 6 year old daughters and we're not going to be able to slaughter one another willy nilly". Once an ideal, now reality.

Would you say that stepping in and forcing somebody from not killing a little girl is ok? Or acts of evil?

[ParapaDrifter]

you don't want government do chisel society either... prohibition was and still is a horrible idea and failure.

this country was founded on individual rights, on of them being rights to life. the strange dichotomy regarding rights of man, are that humans are word-governed beings, and being so, if your rights aren't made known, they will be assumed.

the question of the child is, does she belong to the state or her parents and what exactly are her rights.

finding a happy medium is best.

[cosmicbdog]

Its true... enforcing what one does to himself creates a disrespect for authority. This is proven with prohibition laws that have created more crime then they set out to prevent. Einstein, fellow vegetarian recognised this in his first trip to the USA and wrote about the fall of American government. I'm not for prohibition, but I am for implanting the idea, if only for the purpose of pondering, that it could be considered an illegal activity to murder an animal in the current paradigm.

[cosmicbdog]

If a human being speaks for an animal, and says "this is my dog" then that dog has rights. If a group speaks for a species and says "this species is special" it becomes protected. As soon as a dog loses its owner, it loses its rights. It can be put down by the pound etc. Kill that dog while its under 'ownership' however and you could face jail time. Treat a dog like a cow however such as killing and eating it and that would be considered abuse and ppl think you are crazy. Its an irrational world

[cosmicbdog]

After watching the video by Gabriel he is only referring to spirulina having both b-12 and analog b-12 which cancels out the intake for humans. Eating meat for protein is still grotesque and inneficient form of getting amino acids and enzymes which is why you think you need 'protein'. Enzymes and amino acids are in all living foods which are the building blocks for protein. Look up 'the protein myth' by runningraw on youtube.

[yunta51]

Watched a bunch of the "runningraw" videos, like his website, they're low on any factual sources but high in emotion. Hey, whatever works for the guy. I would never say some people can't compete in distance running on a high carb/sugar diet, at least for a short time. He hasn't been doing this for long and admitted being a vegan damaged his health. He won't talk about eating raw meat though, as it goes against the real agenda here.

[cosmicbdog]

What do you think though about what he says about research results for food analysis only being done on cooked food? Does that not throw a spanner in the mix on what all the doctors and dietitians tell us is in what foods when they are raw? Clearly we really have no idea about the reality of fresh living food as we've yet to have the instruments to measure it. Sure, he got damaged from vegan once... I know a guy who hurt himself walking in the park as well.

[yunta51]

Of course cooked food isn't as good as raw, I never said it wasn't. But I find it funny the way they don't apply this rule to animal protein. When I "cook" red meat it's always raw in the middle. I cook liver like that too, just searing the outsides a minute on each side. If you listen to what he says, it was destroying his health slowly for a period of years, he had to quite his job. A little different than getting "hurt in the park."

[cosmicbdog]

But I never did say you said cooked isn't as good as raw. What I'm saying is the science used to determine all these nutrient charts and food pyramids etc is biased and based on the false assumption that everybody cooks everything. Before I stopped eating meat, I too only seared things lightly. The logic was to keep it as raw as possible while still palatable. I had to wonder though, why couldn't I stomach this food completely raw and without extras? Can you enjoy body temperature flesh alone?

[yunta51]

The nutrient charts that show grains as the bulk of the food people should ingest is totally wrong. My diet is at least 80% animal protein and fat, the rest would be above ground vegetables. If I switched it to 80% vegetables and 20% meat, I would have much lower energy.

[cosmicbdog]

You might have less energy at first. People who come off drugs also need to sleep once their body can fully recover from the stuff they've been addicted to. It apparently takes 6+ months for rotting corpse to free itself from your complex colon before you can start absorbing fresh nutrients again. Which if you were designed like a carnivore, it would pass through in days. How can you say how you would feel if you've never committed many many months to an unbiased test so you can truly know?

[yunta51]

Haha.. Your hero (the runningraw guy) was a vegan for eight years before he finally gave up and has switched to this new diet (which he calls "an experiment") so I don't think I'll gamble with my health, especially with the poor track record set by these pioneers. Actually I make a bowel movement exactly 12 hours after I eat a meal high in animal protein and fat. Just as humans have done for the past 100,000 years.

[soloproject]

I've looked less into this guy than you have and he's my hero? Some might say the greatest gamble is to never gamble. To make choices based on things you actually have no direct awareness or experimentation of... but what the doctor said... or what the teacher said. Its blind faith. Meat eating is a religion you don't even know you're apart of. You've become what you eat... a fat pile of protein locked in a pen. Whats your freedom like? I'm sure your diet reflects your liberation. Rigid, trapped

[yunta51]

Meat eating is a religion? Didn't you watch some of the vegan videos on youtube? There's a guy literally portraying himself as a god. Authentic traditional diets that have existed for thousands of years (like what I practice) will continue while all these other trends will come and go. Why don't you become an breath-ataerian?

[soloproject]

There's god heads in every movement. There are plenty more people who think they are godlike / chosen because they dominate the animal kingdom like its the privilege of being human... that they are special because they have the power to disenfranchise a whole species. Is that repulsive? Or is ego just not allowed in movements that are a threat to yours?

[yunta51]

If you want to martyr your health because of what other people do, that's your right.

[cosmicbdog]

You mean relating to people in the current era who have taken the blindfolds off instead of having an ancient imaginary dialogue with long gone neanderthals?

[yunta51]

Yeah, it's your health and you have to live with it.

I'm done with the lecture...

[ParapaDrifter]

actually wern't humans scavengers and gatherers before the Iron/bronze age? I think humans are subperbly adaptable and able to survive on any food, the only question is quality of life...

I don't think monkeys ate meat. Bugs sure but not animals. Now if we've evolved from them we are more herbivors than carnivors, albiet very adaptable herbivors.

[cosmicbdog]

Thats for certain! We humans are tremendously adaptable. I'm under the belief that meat was actually a rarity for the homo sapien lineage. We've got so much survival intelligence packed in our genes thats made it possible for us to do just about anything and get away with it. A very smart species. Our brains development supported by our digestive adaptability. My brain can have very dark and destructive thoughts just as I can eat death and destruction.

[cosmicbdog]

btw, my guy in the park was walking on his foot at a subtle irregular angle for many years which evolved into a severe spinal displacement. Does that make walking bad? Or is it how you go about it?